Peterson Long 300 Win Mag Brass
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- The big brain boys and girls over at Peterson have offered the 300 Winchester Magnum reloading community a really awesome option for brass. I hope this stuff is going to last!
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An idea so obvious and simple that my video is 4 minutes long. How awesome would it be if brass companies offered us new brass that we could resize to our specs the first time? I would love to have "long" brass available in every cartridge that maybe needed the shoulder bumped a little bit to fit my exact specs.
I will be shooting this brass tomorrow on Twitch starting at Noon eastern time. I've got 100 rounds loaded up with bullets from 110gr to 240gr, and I can't wait to see how the Savage 110 Precision performs across the whole weight range. Come join the Christmas JRB range party! www.twitch.tv/johnnysreloadingbench
If Twitch isn't your thing, don't worry...a CZcams video will follow in a few days.
Thanks! My tin foil hat and I have been off social media since 2015 and YT is it for me. I just picked up a bunch of Nosler 300 WM after years of Winchester and Remington brass. I’ll be directly comparing results when you post. Merry Christmas.
Johnny when is the 6 ARC coming back? You left me hanging with heavy bullet load development. I am currently trying Accurate 2520 after LVR and CFE223. Velocities were good with CFE but accuracy and SD were lackluster using the 105 Hornady HPBT. LVR seams to be my front runner, but it suffers from temp sensitivity. From testing at 50F-20F I lost over 50 fps.
we just need primers now merry christmas to all
I bought 4000 CCI LMR primers from a fellow gun club member last week for $160.00 , you never know where you will find components , and I also bought 5 pounds of RL22 and 5 pounds of Norma MRP powder for $230.00 so ask around folks you shoot with and I just sold 2000 large pistol for $70.00 dollars in these times shooters need to help each other not gouge one another Merry Christmas
Since i got my first Peterson brass i was sold. 15 reloads later on 308 and still shoots lights out.
Peterson is on top of the game.
Glad the .300 is back. Merry Christmas Johnny and all the reloaders out there.
Thank you for this video. My go to brass for .300 Win Mag has been Nosler. The accuracy I've gotten with Nosler has been outstanding, but it's expensive and I'm lucky if I get 3-4 firings out of each lot. Last year, I bought a new box of Nosler brass for a Moose hunt and had some problems that motivated me to call Nosler for the first time: many case necks were dented, a piece of brass was missing and I noticed the headspace for the new brass was approximately .020" smaller than the 2.276" fired headspace I get with my Bartlein barrel. The Nosler representative I spoke with didn't seem to understand headspace or appreciate my recommendation that they look at why the headspace on their new .300 Win Mag cases is so short. I told them I suspected much of their case life is lost with the initial firing, but the rep either didn't understand or care about my desire for longer case life. Now you have given me another option to look at and it just so happens that I need to replace a lot of Nosler brass. Thanks man!
What failed in your cases after 3-4 firings...split case neck, blown primer, case head separation? THANKS.
@@RetrieverTrainingAlone Case head line formation visible on the outside of the case and felt with a bent paper clip on the inside. Also, primer pockets are much looser and barely pass test with Ballistic Tools Swage Gauge.
@@njgrplr2007 Thanks. I live in interior Alaska and hand load for moose. Have not had that problem with 300 H & H Magnum and Federal or Norma cases. I do not load super hot, usually around 2880 fps for 180gr Barnes TTX or Nozler E-Tips. I do anneal and 0.002 shoulder bump and have cases that I've reloaded 11 times since the 1990s. Nozler does not make cases for the 300 H & H, so no experience there...I do have some Nozler .270 Win cases but only fired once so far.
@@RetrieverTrainingAlone I went back and looked at the email exchange I had with the Nosler representative. I sent him the attached link to try and help him understand my headspace concerns. He then confirmed that Nosler headspaces off the belt like a lot of magnum case manufacturers. www.larrywillis.com/headspace.html
@@RetrieverTrainingAlone Have you ever compared your fired headspace to the headspace you get on new/unfired Norma brass? As it turns out, the 300 H&H is one of the few belted magnums that actually need to headspace off the belt due to the tapered body of the case.
Pleasantly surprised, that the brass is made in Pa. Merry Christmas Johnny and to all your subscribers!
I have 100 of these long version 300 WM and let me tell you, it on the first firing, reduced my ES to 9 fps and the SD to 4.6 fps without out even playing with the charge weight. I did have to reduce the charges by .3 grains to maintain the same velocities, but never really experimented with any other charges.
Thanks for explaining this.
Thanks for that video. I have a 7MM Rem Mag. New Norma, Remington and Winchester brass has to blow out .011" or so to fill the chamber. Big props to Peterson for doing this...
Never had a problem with peterson, always the highest quality
Hell we ain't even gonna be fire-forming with that stuff!!!
This is good news. Now I don't have to neck up brand new brass to 8mm and size back down until the bolt juuusssttt barely closes with resistance anymore.
I would get on twitch but working 3rd shift, it just isn't going to work. Glad to see your content when it pops up here on CZcams.
Well that's a neat idea. Still working through my first loads for my 300-- I'll have to see how things go, but this seems like a great idea.
20 years ago I had such problems with case head separation in my Remington 700 BDL 300 Win Magnum after 4 to 5 firings that I started neck sizing it in my 300 WM reloads which solved the problem. I only hunt with new virgin brass to get factory like bolt closing during cold weather. I've shot my 300 enough that I am on my second barrel so some of my brass has a lot of reloading cycles. Your video gives new insight into why case head separation problems exist in reloading these belted cases. Thanks--- Captain Ed
Thank you for sharing this awesome informational video! I love Peterson Brass so much I bought 500 pieces of 308 Winchester or my competition AR10 and another 100 for my 338LM ultra long range rifle. And like your 300WM brass there was minimal fire forming needed. On another note.... I searched for an entire year for an optic for the 338LM and about two years ago I purchased the Valdada Recon G2, 4.8-30×56mm. I have to say that it is an amazing optic. I feel that for the money, the 40mm main tube, and the unprecedented 150moa of vertical adjustment in the erector, it is the best I could have gotten for under 3k. Ths Schott glass is in my opinion the best I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot while researching.
Merry Christmas Johnny, and a prosperous New Year.
I think you just sold some peterson brass
Weird how I just picked up a bunch of 300 WM Nosler yesterday and am going to work on that next. The cosmos have aligned! 🌎🌛🪐🌞🌟
Well done, very interesting, what Peterson have done. Merry Christmas to all.
What a great idea! Why didn't somebody think of this before?!
I'm confused at how you didn't make this an hour long :)
LoL
Wish they made a "Long" version for the 338 Win Mag!
JRB Video on Christmas Eve! Great Present!
Iv been waiting for you to get back on the 300 Johnny👍👍👏👏 Thanks mate. Merry Christmas
Just really happy you're making these great videos again Johnny! I know someday you're going to do the 300 PRC that's what I'm really really looking forward to. But honestly I would watch your videos if you were shooting a Crossman BB gun.
The cost of 300 PRC dies is insane
@@talkingrock7011 $90 bucks for Hornady Match dies.... how's that insane?
That’s cheap a friend of mine paid over three hundred dollars for a set of Redding 300 PRC dies , I bought a set of Redding dies for my 300 win/mag that was $150.00 because they are worth the cost and had to buy a VLD seating stem for another $40.00 it’s the cost of precision reloading
Great idea. No longer need to jam the bullet into the lands to fireform to reduce stretch above the rim. Hope they do that with 7mm Rem Mag.
They are located about an hour north of me and I ordered 500 .243 brass for my Sako to try
I fireform new 7mag brass by seating a bullet to jam. This gives me the initial strength in the shoulder area instead of head area. Hopefully peterson will come out with 7mag brass soon.
Merry Christmas, Jonny! Hope Santa brings you some reloading supplies cause the stores ain’t got shit!
Merry Christmas Johnny!
What a great video. Thank you. My experience is with the 338 Winchester Magnum and I found close to .025" of an inch between the shoulder on new brass and how far the shoulder would move after firing. I found this class of brass (it's a family of cartridges with the same parent brass) to be massively over designed and hardly effected by anything.... except the first firing. That is if the reloader only resizes to get a snug fit with the shoulder. But a full length resize just destroys the cases in a few loads.
So thank you for bringing this to our attention. It is long overdue and should make a truly great case even greater.
Why would a full length resize with a shoulder bump of 0.002" destroy cases in a few loads?
@@RetrieverTrainingAlone Actually, a full length resize that only sets the shoulder back .002" is ideal. My experience was the shoulder on brand new brass had it shoulders set back by .025" while causes a great deal of case stretch on the first firing. Full length resizing after that is almost as bad and doing the a few times will cause to brass to stretch to the point of head separation since most of the stretching occurs just ahead of the belt.
The belt on the 300 mag case (headspacing on the belt) is there only because that's what magnum cartridges have (marketing tool) though belts have not been needed on most bottleneck cartridges since the early days of the 20th century.
@@williammcconnell9501 0.025" is a big stretch....I measured factory loaded Nozler brass and fired case using a headspace comparator and it was 0.010" in my 300 H & H . Your right, the first firing is the largest stretch in the lifetime of a case, with resizing 0.002" shoulder bump, I usually get at least 10 reloadings in my 300 H & H.
Awesome! I think my sister is getting me some of this for Christmas. She asked what I wanted and I tried to explain long brass to her and she interrupted to say "just send me a link" so fingers crossed!
I'm using Peterson brass for quite a while and it is truly good product.
The Old adage of making brass as a one size fits all is over. Time to catch up to the future.The long brass is a blessing.
Ingenious indeed, bought 1000 pieces as soon as I discovered it.
My Begara B-14 fired cases measure 2.277", I size them with a RCBS FL die and a 0.006 Plus shell holder from Redding (set of 5 for $50). This brass is fantastic as I wouldn't have to fire form prior to loading my good rounds (which takes a long time and costs a lot and primers are hard to find and $$$). It reduces case stretch.
Happy Holidays Johnny
That is kind of funny i was just looking at that brass yesterday and was wondering if it would fit my chamber better and you make a video about it
Great idea!
Merry Christmas!!
Really stoked about this brass... Oddly enough 2.276 is what I bump my shoulder back to... That's handy.
Now for 338 win mag that would be nice
I love my Peterson brass
Peterson, the good stuff.
Belted Magnums, 300 Win Mag, 7mm Rem Mag, and 350 Rem Mag in particular seem to have very inconsistent base to shoulder reference dimensions among individual firearms. That’s part of why sizing to space off the belt eats your brass. The long brass is indeed an excellent idea - it provides sufficient length to not have excessive case stretch on the first firing. I’ve done the same thing by forming long 350 Rem Mag from 7mm Rem Mag and neck reaming.
Try annealing the shoulder and neck to make that portion of the brass soft so the shoulder stretches instead of the body.
I prefer Norma USA brass in my 300 Win/Magnum , I have 1 lot of 100 pieces that has been loaded 9 times and is still in good shape
Two vids in two days. It really is Christmas.
Merry Christmas and happy new year!!
I’m using Peterson to develop some Creedmoor for a new rifle build
I wish more manufacturers did this. Every bottle neck cartridge I reload I see 10 some times as short as 20 thou from my chambers to brand new out the bag brass
Great info... Again!!!
Very neat!
I need to jump on switch. I miss getting my regular JRB fix from the year you took off work and were cranking out content left and right.
Thanks Johnny. Huge help. I am a 7mm Mag guy. I will keep my eye out.
The only cartridge that actually is supposed to headspace on the belt is the 300 H&H magnum. The belt is a selling gimmick from the 70s. All rimless cartridges besides that headspace on the shoulder. You will notice that most modern high performance cartridges developed by non big box companies no longer use a belt. Speer loading manual #10.
Interesting. 🤔👍
The 70's? Haha
You had to have lived them to understand them
Yes...I hand load for the 300 H & H Magnum. The case belt is needed in the 300 H &H and 375 H & H which had really shallow shoulders (8.5 degrees) compared to 25 degree shoulders in more modern belted magnums like the 7 mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, 338 Win Mag. My Speer reloading manual said "The 300 H & H and companion 375 H & H are probably the only bottleneck magnums that really need the case belt for head-spacing because of their shallow shoulder. Others have ample shoulder for headspacing and the belt on these modern magnums is really superfluous".
Selling gimmick. Or actual requirement for a double rifle to have a belt or rim to hold the round in place in the early 1900s late 1800s
I have been having a hard time finding good 300wm brass. Just ordered 2 boxes myself
🤯 great concept
Also, maybe they're doing this to not rely totaly on the belt for head spacing?
Just bought some. Its good brass.
Torture test on one piece? 10-20 firings to see how the primer pocket and case does down by the belt
Merry Christmas Johnny.
load it up with those Hornady A tips.
Berger 208 grain 30 caliber Hybrid Bullets
You can buy the Peterson brass in bulk from Graff and sons
Hey there, when the primers are really tight, just put a little desk lamp to warm up the brass a while before you start. Maybe a real lite dusting of graphite just over the brass. Never tried that but heard it somewhere
Let know if this helps.
Bout time they do something similar to making a shoulder datum point for 300WM chambers
Please check out f class John he does ling distance shooting and covers the brass stretching very well in a short video.
Is that his video on incipient case head separation?
We 👏🏻 need 👏🏻 338 lapua 👏🏻 videos 👏🏻
march 24 2024 Grafs 84.99 per 50. finally in stock.
My 300 win mag Norma virgin brass measures 2.260. Fired in my chamber it measures 2.2795. That's .0195 shoulder blow out. Good thing it only happens once. I only bring it back
.002 after that.
So just so I am clear, this long brass is only really a benefit if you then set your sizing die to just bump the shoulder right? Wouldn’t a standard SAAMI die with a factory setup just resize this brass back to the ~.0018 back and cause a possible neck length problem? If I am understanding right these are a great idea, but only if you understand headspace and don’t over-resize them.
Two thousands is what works for me, no more is necessary for longer case life
Merry Christmas
Got some of this a few months ago, on the initial load now and hoping it lasts a lot longer than the Privi brass did.....
How many loads were you getting out of your ppu?
@@joelriggs9153 about 3 before I started getting case head separation, but that was before I learned about the Reloading Technologies die. I have learned a lot since that separation problem.
@@dougmasters3875 Ive got about 5 loads so far without any separation running 76.9gr 4831sc and 180 nosler bt
WOW! Great idea so brass is not worked excessively on that first sizing. Does the 300 Win Mag really headspace off the belt instead of the shoulder? The case belt in earlier magnums such as the 300 H &H and 375 H & H which had really shallow shoulders (8.5 degrees) compared to 25 degree shoulders in more modern belted magnums like the 7 mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, 338 Win Mag. My Speer reloading manual said "The 300 H & H and companion 375 H & H are probably the only bottleneck magnums that really need the case belt for head-spacing because of their shallow shoulder. Others have ample shoulder for headspacing and the belt on these modern magnums is really superfluous".
having a hell of a time seating the federal gold medal match large rifle magnum primers into peterson brass. is there another match primer out there that fits better? Im mangling my case head every time I seat with my had primer
Johnny....that comment about the brass being shot as "The way it's supposed to be" is incorrect. What is happening in a factory chamber is the result of economics and manufacturing. The rifle makers discovered that they could order belted mag cartridge reamers with a longer base to shoulder datum measurement while chambering to headspace of the belt. This allowed the reamer to chamber MANY more rifles before needing to be scrapped. This is why buying a factory barreled belted mag is a recipe for case head separation. I chamber many belted mags with a SAAMMI spec reamer and use the headspace gauge on the belt as a guide to ensure the brass will fit. With this I NEVER have over .001 -.002 case growth base to headspace datum on any of my rifles. This is why the non-belted mags are such a boon for consistency and brass life. Removing the belt is the best thing ever when designing a cartridge.
My Speer reloading manual said "The 300 H & H and companion 375 H & H are probably the only bottleneck magnums that really need the case belt for head-spacing because of their shallow shoulder. Others have ample shoulder for headspacing and the belt on these modern magnums is really superfluous". I am not a gunsmith...is my SPEER manual incorrect? (Seems to make sense 8.5 degree shoulder in H & H versus 25 degree shoulder ) THANKS.
If you set your reamers up to match specific brass, this is not an issue. Q.M.M.
If you set up your dies wrong, that doesn't matter.
Yeah buddy! Long is the route
Genius indeed!!!!
Merry Christmas 🎅 Johnny reloading bench. Hope see more from u. Wonder why don't offer 7mm mag
That is a good deal. My local gun shop is selling Hornady brass $75 for 50.
Does it come with analease?
Damm! I just paid $47 for Hornady 300wm and was mad about it. At least you have it now. Sounds like your gun shop is a “gouger”. Are they selling primers $350/1000 also? Them bastards 🤬
when you rebarrel a rifle if you headspace tight on the go then your standard brass won't be short, which when I rebarrel I run tight on the go, I don't even use a nogo because I'm where I want to be, Peterson just made the brass longer because of factory long chambers bla bla bla, if I rebarreled and was going to shoot peterson brass i would just use the brass as my go gauge and be tight on it, then have minimum sizing which will make the brass last longer which mine does unless you run it hot
Have you heard anything about sig sauer brass 300 win mag brass? Do you know who might make good 300 WSM brass? Yes I have two rifle one is 300 win mag and one in 300wsm.
I have been using the Norma brass for the 300 WSM.
I don’t know if you are interested in factory ammunition, but I have been buying the Norma factory ammunition and once you shoot it, you have fire formed brass for your chamber. It’s really good brass, on par with Lapua, Peterson, and other top brands. I bought 5 boxes earlier this year loaded with 150 grain Nosler BT. I just ordered 5 more boxes this evening loaded with the 180 Oryx bullets for $143.00 including shipping, pretty cheap for loaded ammunition and good brass. In case you are interested,
Clark Armory is the ammo site
25.99 a box plus 13.00 shipping
@@chetcogar3758 thank you.
You should try adg brass, its made in Kentucky
Can you buy a 6.8 Western rifle and do all the reloading info you usually do? You have to do full work up on all the new cartridges each yeart they come out...ruff life, but we like it that way.
Merry Christmas bitches!
I am ecstatic and I don't even own a .300 WM ! I recently purchased two boxes of Peterson brass in 30-06 from Graf and Sons. P.S. Making short video must be easier than trimming brass.
Hope it does better for you than it did for me and last longer than 2 firings of a medium load
Did you neck size the brass? If so What was the neck bushing you used
If that doesn't work gunwerks makes good brass over 10 loads and still going
Idea for next year after watching your intro in to reloading; how to find components for a beginner. I'm having issues finding anything let alone the popular items. I know this is an issue every where with the all the new shooters, supply and demand according to federal and hornady. The video idea is more after the market equalizes for supply and pricing; where to find deals, how to find deals, storage of components, how much is too much.
What do you do for proper sizing the belted magnum ?
Can you fire one of each brand, cut them in half and measure the case in front of the web? I'd really like to see the difference!
what about resizing
I'm a bit concerned how this brass would function in semi-auto rifle, such as Browning BAR?
Because 300 WinMag is a belted cartridge and if you’re using it in the same bolt action rifle would you be better off not sizing the whole case so that it does not stress the brass ? I think that any magnum cartridge may lose structure integrity buy full length resizing especially the non-belted 300 Remington ultra mag what is your thought on that?
Johnny I was hoping someday you might buy one of Eric cortina's muzzle brake tuners and give it an honest go around. I would buy one but I'm just afraid it might be a gimmick thing?
So I take guess this long brass is neck sizing only no full length resizing?
OR not buying factory barreled belted mags
I bought primers from a fellow shooter at the gun club , so ask around you may have something they need and can do some trading
7mm rem mag brass fails exactly the same way as 300 win mag so long brass for 7mm rem mag should also be a hit .
Where do you buy your targets