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Mod Your Lever - Episode 1 - Ball Top and Bat top
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- čas přidán 5. 04. 2020
- Did you know there are 5 simple things you can change on your japanese lever, that can improve your game play peformance? In this serie, i will show you everything you need to know about the lever to maximize your potential.
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Best FGC channel that talks bout fight stick related topics and tutorials
Ninja Munkey thank you so much ❤️🙏
I agree, love all the videos
Thank you for the support ❤️🙏
I'm really liking how you're not just talking about the games, but all the parts of arcade stick hardware too! Sometimes I want to know about specific parts, so videos like these are really nice. High quality stuff! Thanks!
Alex Oka thank you ❤️🙏 i dont have enough time lol, so i can only choose one haha
@@JoystickNY thanks for your video. Hey what brand or model was the 2 boxes that had a hinge when you opened them. I am new to gaming and want to try out these style boxes. This way I can change joysticks so that I can get a feel for what several brands feel like. I want to find out which one I like the most. Also are these wireless or wired fightsticks? Since this video is over a year old now. Do you also have any recommendations for a fightstick. I like that you can change ball too to batt top easily. This way you can use either and are not stuck with only one style. Thanks
There are a few wireless sticks, one i like is the 8bitdo arcade stick for switch and pc
@@JoystickNY I have the 8bitdo arcade stick. I was thinking of upgrading the buttons 1st , instead of the stick.
Growing up in the US I always saw a combination of ball and bat tops. I never thought much about it. I just assumed it was purely aesthetic. I specifically remember seeing ball tops on the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles machine. They used different colored parts for the 4 players since each player was a different turtle. The use of yellow instead of orange for Michelangelo REALLY stood out to me so I remember that machine well. I think I also mostly saw bat tops on older games like Pac-Man and Donkey Kong. Newer games in the 90s were mostly using bat tops, even in US arcades.
Yup, we have the same experience 😊 pizza shops, laundry mats. Grocery shops arcade cabinets 🕹❤️
I've always used the bat top on the arcades, I'm from mexico and this is a regular thing all around the country, I guess this happened because we're pretty much next to the US
You are probably right ❤️🙏 thank you for watching
I really don't like the small korean bat tops though.
Try out a few diff ones, see which one fits your hand better 🕹👍
I know which ones you're talking about. I've also seen 8 button cabs. Haha. Mexico is definitely a nice place for sure.
You're "pretty much next to the US" like 2x2 is "pretty much" 4.
I been dying for a balltop or battop video, and you answer my prayers.
Desmond Griffin i will be going deeper in and going in to Korean parts later on, but maybe take me a while because they are in the bottom of the list ❤️🙏 and thank you for watching
Bat tops also offer better leverage from their height, so you can use stronger springs for faster return to neutral. And you have more control since the index finger plays a big part in controlling the bat top.
I'm a big fan of Japanese arcades and can never switch to bat tops / Korean levers even if they were technically superior :)
I m very used to ball top too 😊
Love the explanations on the real advantages and disadvantages of each type of stick top. I get that everyone uses what fits them best, but when you ask on the internet what are the real advantages and disadvantages of each type of controller they hit you with the "Use what suits you best", which makes it really hard to get a feel for what you should be looking for when choosing your perfect controller.
You just made me realized why my arcade stick execution is horrible in Tekken! I’m going to try the bat top for Tekken now. I will also be subscribing to your channel. Thank you.
Thank you so much for the support ❤️🙏
Here in Brazil only had bat tops in the arcades in the 90s and 00s. Very popular until to this day among players of KoF and SF series. And, Like you, I got used to it. But I play more now with ball top. For air dasher (what I've been playing the most lately) seems more
appropriate. Nice channel. Great videos.
Thank you for the support 🙏❤️
4ys later, and your video comes up with the answers to my questions! Bought an arcade stick with two options, ball or bat. Just realized that I grew up to the bat because I just remembered the feel of it! Thanks for this!!!!
I don’t even play stick but am SOOOO jealous of the level of customization.
nam e puthpong thank you for watching ❤️🙏
Playing with a joystick is also more interactive than with a pad/keyboard/hit box. Join the fun and get a joystick :)
🤣 i feel you
@@arcadedbeast its the sounds any 90s kids or arcade kids when we hear the roll of the stick or slap of the button its just a small dopamine rush. You hear it and are taken back.
When I play I don't even use a head set because I like sound.
I just bought a DIY arcade set so I can make my first arcade controller ever, and to get this video be my first step was great. Im so eager to build it but I want to get as much knowledge as I can on the way and I loved how the time you take to explain everything is just perfect
Team battop! I grew up with laundromat arcades too so they were always more comfortable to me.
Obese-Juan Kenobi i miss those laundromats, the trip doesnt feel as long when you can drop an extra quarter in the game while you wait 🤣👍🙏❤️
I use a 3d printed bat top on my Hori Alpha. It's pretty good! Loving it on GG Strive.
Thats dedication 🕹👍
Been thinking of trying a battop. Thanks for the insight!
Misocray its great for tekken 👍❤️🙏 thank you for watching
I recently came across a stick top that's a combo of battop and balltop, being like a battop with a fatter, rounder top. I play King in Tekken and have to do both quick taps and half circles a lot and it's the perfect combo for that. Pretty wild how many types of stick toppers there are out there now!
Amazing quality. Keep it up bro
Thank you brother
Past month I've gotten into arcade sticks. Came across you channel, and I love the level of detail you go in about sticks, buttons and levers. Leaves me feeling well informed on how to pick up gear and accessories that work for me.
Appreciate you, more to come ❤️🙏
I suppose I never thought that these tops were interchangeable, I'm glad Ive been learning these things during my research.
Alot of them are, but double check when buying, sometimes it doesnt needd and you need an adaptor Thank you for watching 🙏❤️
Great explanation of the difference in tops, and how and when to use them. Thank you
Tripcore thank you as always ❤️🙏
I've migrated to Battops on all of my sticks for playing STG (shmups). For me, the response is way more comfortable than balltop, and I feel there's also less chance of slipping or mis-input. Paired with Octagate, it's the perfect STG lever setup. I may shorten them down, though. On to episode 2~!
Today I shared your channel with all my friends, your channel genuinely deserves at least 100k subs
I really appreciate your love and support ❤️🙏 thank you
These are so good! Love the colours and the clear, friendly and zero arrogance delivery. Keep it coming!
Thank you 🙏❤️ more to come; 🕹
I got my first arcade stick about two weeks ago, super hard to get used to in tekken. Swapped to a bat top today, crazy how just the shape can throw off muscle memory. Time to relearn!
Thank you so much for this breakdown on bat tops and ball tops! You've earned yourself a follower, sir.
Thank you for watching 🙏❤️
@@JoystickNY Thank you for making these detailed videos!
I'm just now getting into modding fight sticks so keep these videos coming. They're very informative.
Will do thank you for watching 🙏❤️
Gotta say your explanation on why bat top would be more comfortable makes sense for tekken
Thank you 🙏❤️
Hi! First of all I love your videos, and since I'm building a custom arcade stick I had many questions about using either a ball top or a bat top, since I'm Mexican and all our arcades used to have bat tops back in the day, this video reaally helped me to answer all my questions, thank you so much
Thank you for dropping by 🙏❤️
Love your channel bro. I used to play a lot of tekken back in the mid to late 90s on the arcades and I’m a bat top guy. I recently bought a stick for the first time. I just can’t get used to the ball top playing tekken and it make sense now why! 😂 can’t wait for the restrictor gate episode as I’m building up ideas based on your vids to mod my stick to my own preference. Something we can’t do back when we were playing at the arcades! Thanks for making this type of contents! Really informative :)
thank you for the support 🙏❤️
I just replaced my balltop with a battop and really liking it for tekken 7, can't wait for my art prints too
SkyreeXScalabar nice 👍 later down the road i will be talking about korean levers, if you are interested, korean levers are really good when you play tekken ❤️🙏
I really like all the detail explanations you make about all the internal parts of a fight stick I just got mines It's a razor a Pantera the dragon ball Z version and I was wondering about the octagonal gate versus the square gate and if you have any videos on that
xavier pacheco that will be the 5th video in my lever series, i will talk about the 2 gates, for now, i would recommend using the square ❤️🙏
@@JoystickNY thanks I think that's what I have stock with my razor
@@JoystickNY What would you recommend for mortal kombat 11 what type of Ball tip
This is a really good channel. Thank you for all the information you provide in your videos!!
Thank you for the support 🙏❤️
Bat top all the way
Thank you for sharing ❤️🙏
Love your channel dude. Just learned the Magneto ROM infinite with your help and recently started playing on stick so your channel is literally everything I need right now lol. Great job, keep up the grind!
Amazing 👍 happy to hear that, thank you for the support 🙏❤️
All these tops are so cheap you might as well try them all yourself. I highly recommend the Seimitsu Bullet Top as long as it’s not too heavy for your lever spring. I started using it for shmups and now I’ve gotten back into fighting games I still prefer it to a ball top.
Been out of any competitive play since cvs2.. broke out the old MASstick and it's practically beyond repair.. glad I found these.. guess I'm going for a quanba
That feeling, grab with all hand is so comfortable.
♥️ yesssss
Thank you for the detailed explanation of the differences between bat top and ball top; I know why my execution in SF and GG is so messy compared to Tekken. I was using a bat top! Time to try the ball top.
You're a China town fair head too? Awesome. I'm from Brooklyn, and that was my spot every night from 2005 till it closed down.
Yess, grew up in chinatown 🤣
Very interesting content, man! It's not so easy to find expert people talking about that and explain everything in a simple way, but you do that! Keep doing! Can't wait for next videos 👍
Alexander Pasquinelli thank you so much ❤️🙏
I already love this series! Keep it coming man
Vilgoth Lalc thank you ❤️🙏
You know I’m Mexican I grew up playing KOF and I’m playing street fighter 6 and I ordered the competition head for the stick cause I’m not used to the regular popsicle looking one nice vide you what you are talking about 💯💯💯💯
Discovered your channel just last night. Videos are shot and edited very well. The host is super informative and eloquent. Love the channel 🤍
Thank you so much for watching 🙏❤️ more to come
A lot of people in the usa prefer bat tops. But i actually dont think thats what they are having a preference for. I think that they like the happ/lorenzo mechanism under it. It would feel a bit weird to put a ball top on a happ, but it would still feel more "normal" to most americans who grew up in arcades in the 90s.
You cant just slap a bat top on a sanwa and expect it to feel the same. It will feel like hot garbage. But a ball top on a happ would be fine (-ish). Ive still got a few nos happ joysticks out in the garage. I really wish i could jam one into the 8bitdo fight stick.
Battops are also great for other types of games like Metroidvanias, platformers and side scrolling beat em ups.
Great for metal slug n shootemups too ❤️
haha i swapped my ball top after a while when i realized i can easily twist it out. bought myself a resin nice one. no regrets - loving all these parts actually have standards in them.
Thank you for watching ❤️🙏
Yea man i use to go to chiina town and brooklyn for mvc2 tournies
i miss those times 😊
Wow bro!! I love your vids so much! They are Amazing ( like always!! hahaha) Keep going! And thank you for showing the inputs on screen when you play it's very helpful!
sofia verdoia thank you so much 🙏❤️
excellent content, excellent video
I'm researching a stick to go retro gaming with my kid and this came just perfect !!!!
THANK YOUUUU
David Stievenard thank you so much ❤️🙏
I have a joystick from the late 80s made in Greece that is a mixture of bat and ball and looks more like a droplet which I really love and cant find anywhere
Those would be a nice collectors item 👍🕹❤️
Great video! You always use that Hori Rap and it makes me depressed because I sold mine! I bought it when it came out because I couldnt find any other stick I wanted so I thought i was "settling" with it. I MISS IT!!!
Its my daily driver pretty much, been using it for a long time and its been good ❤️🙏
@@JoystickNY Ill get one on ebay someday again. Its a great stick! I sold it to get the te2+, but I realized that I enjoyed the Hori Rap 4 better. I have the Pro N which I really like also. Keep up the great work with the videos! Very informational and not too drawn out. Perfect!
This was a great, informative video. I’ve been recently upgrading my controls for my A1U machines, and other home arcade systems, and this was easy to listen to so thanks! You’ve earned another sub 😎
I just got my Sanwa bat top ordered from the States. Stoked about it. My Razer Dragonball FighterZ Panthera arcade stick even has an allocated hole for it to fit into when you open up the internals. I think I'm gonna try them both until I find my preferred ones for specific games.
Sounds good 👍🕹 that panthera stick is excellent ❤️
I'm too lazy to search for other channel, your channel is really helpful. I just hope you can cover more Tekken if you got the time later. Thanks!
Thank you for the support ❤️🙏
I just got a Razer Panthera (the fully mod-capable) and I'm looking to make it look better, your videos are very educational. The only downside is that I'm living in Mexico City and the parts for an arcade stick are hard to get
Cesar García thank you ❤️🙏 sometimes i wish i can help viewers buy things and ship it to them, but shipping it self is too expensive in general
@@JoystickNY with your videos is more than enough help, thanks a lot for everything you do. I really enjoy content
girls like battop , guys like balltop :P
Lol 🤣 thank you for dropping by
Hey bro awesome video. Man I did not know that changing the ball top to a bat top would make a difference in how you can play. I thought it was just for looks.I will definitely have to try this.
Jamil Bush its probably very minor change, but i think it may fits some peoples hand better, possibly can help a little 🙏❤️ thank you
i just like very much to watch your channel, lots of very interesting and useful new things 💪😎😊🎮
DevaSheep thank you so much ❤️🙏 appreciate the love and support
Awesome series! And you got a knee lever! Been planning to get one
Darwin Alcazar its good, i like it, kinda expensive for a lever lol 🤣
@@JoystickNY yeah man! i was thinkinv on getting that but I just couldnt justify the price 😅 so I settled for the entry level klever
The arcades we're everywhere in NY in grew up in the Bronx and I played everyday with my boys after school
Yup same here
I feel like bat tops in American arcades are not really a thing anymore. It really depends on the cabinet you're playing on.
growing up, you were more likely to see suzo happ parts, but that's not the case anymore because there's taito cabinets all over the place.
A lot of private owners have candy cabs, or astro-city cabinets, which are japanese cabinets
Well this explains why my movement felt weird when I was playing Tekken yesterday. I will have to try it out in Street Fighter to really feel the difference with a ball top. I was ready to blame the 8bitdo as a whole lol
Yea, always mess with it and try diff parts ❤️
I just changed from ball top to bat top and it feels so much more comfortable in tekken 7👌
Yup, bat top is better for tekken, soul calibur and dead or alive series
Can confirm that those SF4 cabs used Sanwa parts.
Soooooo many hours spent at that arcade, though I was still one of those guys playing SF vs Marvel Superheroes in the back corner. :D
Me too, i used to live in the arcades lol 🤣
Streetfighter vs xmen here lol
I just modded my Hori RAP V Hayabusa (nintendo switch version) with a Sanwa Battop and a new 2lb spring, and it's SOO much more comfortable to play with, even in games like Street Fighter i'm much better now. I think it's because i have rather long fingers, so my hand curls very naturally to the side of a battop, compared to a balltop.
Jace Beleren i am happy you found a good combination for your style 🕹👍😊
@@JoystickNY Thanks for the response!
I was curious: Would you know of any balltop that has the same matte-like texture of Sanwa/American battops? Or, alternatively, have you ever tried an aluminum balltop?
Whenever i try to play with a plastic glossy balltop, my sweaty hand slips on the ball a lot and i tend to drop inputs as a result.
Jace Beleren i havent seen any matte finish ball top, and have not used a aluminum ball top, but i do seen silicone neogeo ball top covers on amazon, if you want to check them out. I usually sweat too, but more on my bottom palm.
@@JoystickNY Thanks a lot! I'll check these neogeo silicon balltops out.
appreciate the video man
Thank you for the support 🙏❤️
Ive only ever used sanwa parts and today i got my first bat top just wanted to see how it feels with tekken
Thank you for this great explanation. It helped me decide: I got both types:)
Thank you for watching 🙏❤️
Im a street fighter II player but still like the bat top bc thats how I grew up
I feel you, i grew up like that too
I recommend bat-tops over ball-tops because bat-tops are really comfy. Ball-tops are uncomfortable and it is impossible to get good grips on them.
Dustin Nunn seems your hands fits the bat top more 👍🕹🎮 thank you for sharing
@@JoystickNY Square (4-Way) restrictor gates are for Pac-Man, shoot'em ups and platformers and octagonal (8-Way) restrictor gates are for fighting games and beat'em ups. And as for the circular restrictor gates, that is unknown.
Videos with stories are the best 😂
Thank you, i will keep that in mind
Hi @JoyStickNY !!
Wonderful video!
I ordered a Samducksa crown battop and a Kori one also from Jammastar company for my future Hori Alpha Tekken 8 edition 😍. Not bad DualShock in my old Tekken 7 game but lack of timing i think. I will also keep the arcade stick with squared gate.
I really enjoy your videos, keep it up!
Thank you so much for the support ❤️🙏
wouldn't be a fight stick video without seeing some EWGFs.
Thank you for watching 🙏❤️
DORYA!
❤️ thank you for watching
7:46 this makes so much sense now why MK2 had a bat top because the inputs were choppy. ⬅️⬅️LP;➡️➡️HP; ⬅️➡️HP;⬇️➡️LP.
Thank you for watching
Omg! Your presentation is so good.
Thank you so much ❤️🙏😊
You just made me think. I was pretty much set on ball top for my arcade cabinet because that's most of what I've seen in France and Japan. But I'm starting to wonder if bat top wouldn't be better for more general gameplay.
I think they both are great, depending on your hand comfort and the game u play, i use ball top for street fighter, and bat top for tekken 🙏❤️
Excellent video! I'm in the middle of attempting to mod either the actuator or restrictor on my LS-32 to shorten the throw. I'm theorizing the best way to to do it and not quite sure yet. Interested to see your take on this.
Hopefully my next 4 videos can give you an answer ❤️🙏
Most JP style levers come with a shaft cover that spins independently, so you can't loosen the balltop by using pliers on those.
Sir Charles you’re right, i mean for people like me who doesnt use a shaft cover 😂
I love your videos
Another fantastic video !
Loving this channel. I got two Namco ps1 arcade sticks recently, the yellow stick and button ones, I think I will try to put a bat top on one of them, I play KOF and Tekken and will see how bat top is as never used one. In the UK the arcades of the 90's I grew up in, I was about 9 years old in 1997 there and machines were always ball top as far as I'm aware lots of machines were Japanese in North London and in Central London, places like Picadilly Circus's Trocadero (Sega World London) and Oriental City/ Yaohan Plaza's SegaDome in Colindale. I could be wrong I was not that old, but I wonder how arcade machines were and are in Europe, ball or bat top I wonder 🕹. Thanks for your awesome channel
Thank you for sharing 🙏❤️ i love kof and will be getting 15
I prefer the ball top, and usually hold it like an automotive stick shift. It makes it easier on the wrists since you end up moving the whole arm, not to mention the ball looks nicer (I grew up in the Pac Man era).
I like the ball top more too 😊👍
Very pleasant and educational video to watch :) thanks
Thank you for watching 🙏❤️
Amazing video!
Damian Badowski thank you ❤️🙏
If you're ever building or want the classic style US style arcade sticks you want to buy iL parts, from Europe, and not Happ. Happ used to be the chief seller in US arcade parts. iL was the supplier for most of the sticks we're familiar with from the 90s. Happ changed suppliers to a Chinese factory at some point and the new parts are not the same. I have about six different arcade controllers and three of them have iL parts in them for retro games. That said the aftermarket for Japanese parts like the JLF is pretty big you can get very similar results with one and you've got more options with restrictor gates which are not really an option on an iL stick.
It's amazing how big the market for consumer arcade parts has blown up. When I first bought an arcade cabinet in 2000 you pretty much had to goto Happ or Bob Roberts for parts. Happ was really caught off guard by the wave of millennials growing up and wanting to buy arcade parts for all sorts of projects.
"They only had bat tops in the arcades"
me: Oh hes korean
In the usa, back then i never seen a ball top 😂
8:48 Ball tops are not controlled the same way as bat tops with your palm vertical. Some people might find that the right way so there's really no wrong way but how you are supposed to use ball tops is have your palm facing down (the left side of the palm can still rest on the board) and angle your middle finger so that the right side of your middle finger handles all movement to the right, then your index finger takes care of all movement downwards and your thumb is responsible for the left and up direction. Left you press where your thumb print by moving the finger and up by moving your hand up so it cups the curve of the thumb. So you have three fingers and you hand responsible for each microswitch. Diagonals are natural combinations of the directions.
That can't be done on the ball top because it's so high and the movements would be longer.
(edit) I'm sure there are 50 right ways to use a ball top but the fundamental is to find a comfortable way for you to hit the main directions with a single finger. But using your whole palm sideways like on a bat top won't work for all games.
Well said 👍 thank you sharing , great information for viewers 🙏 thank you
I like bat tops cause it feels better when i grip it.
The bat top feels great for tekken 👍
I grew up playing in the arcades in new york i find it difficult to play on the ball top i like to play on the bat top. Its more comfortable.
I actually had to resin print my own bat top because every type I seen online was super tiny
thank you for watching 🙏❤️
So true from NYC
Myself
thank you for watching 🙏❤️
3:52 Yes, the SF IV cabinet (Taito Vewlic C) Comes with the Sanwa JLF and OBSF-30 parts.
👍🕹❤️
Keep it up bro!
@edison baylon thank you so much
youre the friggin MAN!
Thank you 🙏❤️
The Korean joysticks shown here are the Crown CWL-309MJ (clear battop) and the IST Knee Lever (red mounting plate, the $70 one), in case people didn't know...
Thank you for the info 🙏❤️
I prefer the IL joystick
Or the suzo - HAPP compitition joystick....
Grew up in the 1990s and early 2000s.
I feel you, i used to play on those ♥️
when I played in arcades in like 96 97 I used a bat it was a slim baseball bat looking stick which made mashing out directions really easy not the ball top type and the one I used is the type of stick I like
Yup, i miss those good old days
I grew up with the bat style joystick
Me too, then i slowly transition to the ball lol
@@JoystickNY I just got a mayflash f300 arcade stick ,it's pretty awkward getting used to the feel of the ball though ,I think in time I'll switch it out for the bat style .
This helps a tiny bit, but the problem is the housings are too shallow, and the mount is still floppy. Refer original Street Fighter series cabinet joysticks.
Nice editing bro!
Uriel thank you brother , 🙏i try and still learning ❤️
I always liked the Happ bat tops.
Asian bat tops... nah. Something just feels strange about it.
If it's not that weird, squeaky happ stick with the bat top fused to the shaft I'm installing the ball top every time.