Aryan Invasion of India: Myth or Reality?
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- DNA evidence has shed new light on the origins of the Indian people, the Hindu religion and the Sanskrit language. Pastoralists of the Andronovo /Sintashta culture from the Bronze age steppe invaded India from the North West and brought Indo-European languages to the Indian subcontinent. These pastoralists were ethnically North Eastern European people, and they mixed with Indians to create the modern genetic diversity of India. This theory has been developed over 200 years, and has often been attacked as a colonial fable or even as Nazi propaganda, but now genetic science has vindicated the Victorian scholars who said the roots of the Aryans lay in the Corded Ware culture of Europe.
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00:00 History of Aryan invasion theory
10:27 Yamnaya and modern DNA
15:29 Who brought Yamnaya DNA into India?
18:27 Why do some Indians look white?
20:08 Ancient DNA from India
28:31 Conclusion - Věda a technologie
Saying they were central asians because they entered India from central Asia is like saying British people were fish because they entered India from the sea
They were travelling through centuries from Russian steppes to Ural, than central Asia, and than crossed mountains and spread in Northern India, Pakistan and Afganistan. I think even in Bangladesh a lot of R1a.
@@user-sx1mm1sl6u The Pontic-Caspian Steppe is almost entirely within Europe. This area - as well as much of the western and central Eurasian Steppe - was white before the Turkic migrations that came much later. The Scythians and Sarmatians, for example, are clearly described as white and red-headed by ancient historians, and surviving artwork depicts them with European features.
معرفة و ترفيه They migrated out from Europe to the steppe in the first place
@@user-sx1mm1sl6u It doesn't take long to look this up. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. The Sarmatians and Scythians were definitely white. The white race is not a cultural concept. Actual historians and geneticists have written about this.
@@user-sx1mm1sl6u Dude. Europe is truly geographical term, but not cultural. Strange if don`t understand that. This is first.
Secondly, we are talking about not ethnics, races, genetics, but about Y male DNA - this is very different things. You are like arab must know at least 7 your male ancestors, and all of them will have common with you Y DNA. But ethnic or race can be different, because it is depend on your mother, grandmother and etc race and genetics. So again you can find black European just because Europe is territory.
Scythians were not necessarily white skinned, because it depends of race of their mothers and wifes. But some tribes were "whites".
Finally, I do not agree with you, what we simply do not know. We know a lot, from history, archeology, linguistics, and now from Y DNA tests. This is knowledge, it is moving forward.
Respect to Colin Renfrew for conceding that his own theory was wrong. That is the mark of a principled man who does not let his ego interfere with the facts.
What has been proven false?
@@strikeforce5331 his theory of indo Europeans originating from Anatolia I believe
@@strikeforce5331 His theory required, among other things, changing the timeline drastically and having no explanation for language issues between pre-Anatolian and Proto-Indo-European. Basically they likely split earlier and are cousin languages.
One of the rules of archaeology is that your theory can't contravene empirical facts, which is what many people try to do.
yep totally agree. good for him
I don't think we have concluded the debate yet. Armenia is coming back!
Even so, I liked his concession during the Gimbutas speech.
Corrections:
1.I said that Yamnaya were a chariot riding people. They were not. They had wagons but no chariots. chariots were invented around 2000 BC by the Sintashta culture which is descended from Corded Ware who are related to Yamnaya.
2. I seemed to indicate there was no EEF DNA in India, but there is. the 2016 lazaridis paper just missed it.
3. Since this video came out we have discovered the origin of the specific subclade of R1a that is found in Asia and it is among the Fatyanovo culture in Western Russia, which is itself a regional variant of the Corded Ware culture. Therefore central Asian Aryans of Sintashta and Andronovo culture were to some extent descended from the Fatyanovo culture.
What if wasn't an invasion but like Rome's various forms of integration and migration of germanic tribes. The Ostrogoths and sciri became the new rulers of Rome by the eastern roman empire. Or how the Slavs, Finns, and balts asked a Rus prince to be their king. Invasion? What if its mercenaries and immigrants ceasing power like the mamluks or Hyksos? I don't invasion is the only way to interpret the change in genetics.
@survive the jive the discovered saloni in UP state of india had vedic culture,shows parallel civilization with the late indus civilization. Does that discard the invasion concept. Documentry of it is publicised by discovery channel.
Can you make a video on this new discovery ,is it of any importance.
@@kumaryogesh5829 no it doesn’t, all it had was chariots. That’s not evidence of an entire culture. Mind you, those chariots aren’t made in the Aryan andronovo style and we see no evidences of horses.
Interested analysis. Yes eurasianstepp peoples but the culture of indian is still predominantly Dravidian based and the north indian indo european language has sounds and gramatic rules that only exist in Dravidian languages. Eurasianstepp peoples settled in the subcontinent into India around 3000 BCE who were nomadic pastoralist and mixed with with the harrapan peoples who themselves were a mix of south Iranian agriculturalists and out of african migrants. We have one componentry in common which is out shared ancestry with the eurasianstepp people who I wouldn't really classify as european, light brown maybe. But they mixed with early europeans too.
@@starswitch well I would consider them European since not only are they from the European continent, have europanoid caucasoid skulls as opposed to Iranian ones of the Aryans, but their language and pagan religion was like that of their own. I mean they built pre-Christian europe with mixing obviously
As an Indian it was very difficult to find an unbiased analysis of the topic as everyone could be affected by their political inclinations, so I find this video very helpful and has cleared doubts about the validity of the theory in my mind.
i would request you to refer the work of Dr vasant shinde and Dr Niraj Rai
the are working on the excavation site of rakhigari the hai disproved the Aryan invasion even Aryan migration theory by archeological survey and genetics study.
@@sliderstruth Proud to be Aryan either ways.
Hindu Nationalist 🚩♀️🕉️🕉️🕉️🚩
@@sliderstruth Hmmm
Before Aryans, only West and South India was developed. Central and North were tribal. We civilized them. 💪
@@sliderstruth Just that few Indians have some percentage of steppe ancestry does not mean that that entire civilization is borrowed from Europe. But the Hindu nationalist's argument is not correct either.
@@loney403 Europe didn't exist as a civilational concept when the indo-aryans migrated from the steppe. Nothing was borrowed from "Europe". Indo-Aryans migrated into both northern India and Europe.
I never knew conner McGregor was such a history buff
Maybe you meant Ewan McGregor (who starred as Obi Wan Kenobi).
Well I am pretty good at history
Mark my word conor will knock khabib out cold under 30 seconds. Come back to this comment after khabib conor 2
He looks nothing like that wigger
American detected.
What most Indians who challenge this theory fail to understand is the fact that these proto-Indo-Europeans didn’t come from (Western) Europe.
They migrated west and invaded Europe exactly as they migrated southeast, towards Iran and India.
In Europe they mixed in various proportions with pre-existing West European hunters-gatherers and Early European farmers, giving birth to the ethnic mosaic that is Europe today. Exactly the same way as today’s India sees a very diverse genetic pool, where Aryan component is just one of many.
So this is NOT a justification for past British rule over India at all.
The common roots in Yamnaya culture between Europe and Iran or India are more linguistic or paleo-cultural than genetic.
We been migrating and mixing since evolution began , the Ramayana story in the vedas tells how’s Indians migrated to even the americas , the Europeans read the vedas and just switched the story to the white people doing all this instead 🤣 u still believe the number system is western/Arabic when the Arabs took it from India and Sanskrit 🙈
You are right, but still indoeuropeans were genetically closer to western european hunter gatherers at that time than they were to Dravidians. Even though their cultures would later mix up with Dravidians and become closer to India than to Europe.
Indo-Europeans may started the Persian Empire after they invaded and mixed with Middle-Eastern. But Indo-Europeans themself were came from north of Caspian Sea.
When the first Iranian Emperor Cyrus the great were at war with his Indo-European ancestor the Jews who live in Persia called these Indo-European people with the term Gog-Magog.
fake news
@Divine Intervention .Yes. I believe that was the first time the term Gog-Magog ever mentioned.
As an Indian I appriciate this unbiased analysis of yours. You are so right. Our genes tell a story that cannot be disputed.
Yet some Indians and Europeans try to refute genetic evidence 😂
@@Toivo58479 As far as I'm aware, Tom (Survive the Jive) is not Irish, he's English.
@@OccidentalAryan and hence the bias justifying colonialism
@@yashd7072 Are you Iranian?
No I am from bharatkshetra
Aryan Invasion theory is Right we Indian looking different from Aryan people of North Indian.
@@Shawn-tf4tm Not true in the slightest.
Maybe it was migration instead of invasion. But true is that India was formed from different people with different cultures.
@@pablito4762never it's a myth spread by Britishers to make them feel that they ain't real natives
@@pablito4762 What is the motive behind this hippie dippie garbage? Is this Indian nationalism avoiding a historical narrative of internal conflict? Is this anti-western bs trying to isolate imperialism to European history? Is this new age commie nonsense trying to read out primordial violence at every opportunity to push a false vision of a default peaceful harmonious human nature in an attempt at social engineering? Or is this just a continuation of incoherent feminized problematization of Western science because of its alleged idiomatically straight white male mentality? Why is it that all the people that were saying "it didn't happen" then pivot to "well, it doesn't mean it was violent" once it's scientifically incontrovertible that it did happen? What are you doing? Why? When has any group peacefully allowed there own religion, language, and ruling class to be completely supplanted by outsiders? I mean, you don't even have the sense to suggest a plausible explanation. Like maybe, one Indian ruler invited in a warrior group to help him against a rival and then they were rewarded with ruling class status and then that Indian polity came to dominate the rest by marriage or conquest. Maybe you could make some story up where it wasn't a pure violent invasion and domination. But migration? Integration? Peaceful coexistence? Gradual change? On what planet? Sweet Jesus you are such a clown. Shut. Up.
@@pablito4762finally. a european with common sense. i was waiting for the day id see one. thank you for proving to me not all europeans are dumb.❤
Interesting fact: Old Rigvedic God (still worshipped in India), Indra, the God of rain and lightning bears a resemblance to Zeus, Thor, Perun etc
1. All of them are personified as god of thunder.
2. All of them are king of other personifications of nature.
3. Indra's weapon is 'Bajra' or lightning literally.
4. All live atop the clouds.
All the animistic people around the world worship natural elements. Be it fire, water, thunder & rain. All of them. Because they were beyond comprehension of them.
@@jimmylives also agriculture started flourishing from Mesolithic age from hunting-gathering. So, adequate rain would be one of the most important thing for survival. I guess, that's why they became most important among all then. Now, they have became more or less irrelevant.
@@sauravpaul1075 That doesn't mean Greeks or Nords came to India.
@@jimmylives lol I wasn't saying they did. Just saying rain was most important stuff in every parts of the world.
Considering Indra was followed at far times than European ones, so Aryavarta didn't needed zeus to come.
@@jimmylives Hey Saul Goodman, there is no use of explaining these illiterates. Their dream is to kick us north Indians from north to europe 😂😂😂😂 .Let them fulfil it in youtube comments .Better call Saul
I'm so glad that atleast someone from west is speaking against the sponsored historical nonsense in India.
ukkr
So what is the hypothesis you’re proposing then?
You make interesting points, about why India is so linguistically diverse.
But are you proposing a hypothesis, or simply asking questions?
Are you saying that the Aryans came from Arabia/Africa? That seems doubtful to me.
@@solank7620 Now on retrospection, I believe he/she means that If indeed Indians were one same ethnic group there wouldnt be two different language sets: Proto-dravidian and Indo-Eurorpean. That should be clue enough that there was once an invasion or migration. Dravidians were the initial tribal group from Africa who settled throughout India and then they were later displaced by the Aryans or Steppe in the north from Iran and hence their languages are Indo-Eurorpean(Sanskrit, Urdu etc). Also South Indians look like Africans, Indonesians while North Indians look like Afghanis, Saudis and Omanis so that should basically be enough to prove all this.
Ashew Titan
I don’t know about Dravidians being related to Africans. But the rest seems right to me.
There were definitely many invasions/migrations in India, as there were all around the world.
Seems like Indian nationalists want this to be untrue for political reasons. Maybe they don’t like that India has a history of being conquered? I’m not entirely sure what the agenda is. They might also be trying to guilt the British over supposed propaganda to get reparations.
The political corruption of academia is pretty sickening to me, and at the core of everything the right is dealing with. If academics did their damn job, we wouldn’t be having all these problems.
@@solank7620 you have mistaken hindu nationalists for Indian nationalists. Many Indian nationalists ( including many freedom fighters and as the video conveys even India's first prime minister believed in the aryan invasion theory. ) Hindu nationalists are fascists and trust me they believe way more pseudo archaeological facts than just this. They believe in aryan indigenous theory. Hindu nationalists believe that every ill of the Indian society came from western socities or due to Islamic invasions. It is sickening. I suppose you understand that as fascists they need to make everything Indian.
Are you people serious?? The Aryan Invasion Theory is actually British Imperial propaganda, it's actually in reverse. They devised the theory in order to justify their unilateral looting of resources from Hindu soil. The Jat are the ancient ruling and warrior race of India, native to india and indigenous to it. They are the actual Aryan race that the British try to usurp as being European via bought out propaganda. Even the genetic basis is not congruent to the theory: haplogroup F is the parent to groups GHIJK and originates in North India, and spreads from India to Europe, not from Europe to India. Aryan also originates from Vedic literature, which this propaganda artist fails to quote, and defines the native Hindus as Aryan, and definitions of Hind and Arya Vrata are identical pointing solely to North Inida, not the Steppe. It was the ancient Jat kings of North India that pushed west all the way to north and south Europe, they were called different names based on the region: Get or Getae in the black sea region, Got Geat and Jute in Nordic lands, Goth by Romans, Zaths by Arabs, and Yuezhi by the Chinese. This dude is lying he is just furthering imperial British propaganda, they constructed the Aryan invasion theory backwards because the British thought they could buy their stay in Hind Arya forever, India by the way is a foreign British term, Arya and Hind are the native names for India. Once their money ran out from fighting WW 2 in 1945, they couldn't use their bought out puppet kings to keep Hindu Nationalists at bay and quickly packed away back to Britain in 1947. Aryan Invasion from the west is a total lie, they'll use various theories to support it, none of which are supported by history, genetic flow, or Vedic literature.
English: *Father*
Sanskrit: *Pitar*
Latin: *Pater*
French: *Pere*
Spanish & Italian: *Padre*
German: *Vater*
Gaelic: *Athair*
Greek: *Pateras*
▪︎Tocharian: *Pacar*
Punjabi: *Pita*
Hittite: *Attas*
And even in the furthest, most isolated branches of PIE (language wise)
Albanian: *Babai*
Armenian: *Hayryr*
Even the distantly related PIE languages are similar in syllables, and flow.
▪︎Tocharian, spoken by Tocharians or Tartarians, originates from Proto-Indo-European peoples who settled the Tarim Basin in northwestern China.
@@johnjacobastoriv688 My bad, I actually misread your comment. I'm relatively sure the languages you mentioned aren't related to the ones I've mentioned, it was just luck that "Baba" is phonetically similar to "Pater" in PIE.
With PIE languages, basically the entire language is pretty similar in the same way that the word "father" is similar.
But, the question you asked is a good one, and I can't help but think that maybe, just maybe the Tocharians had influence on the Chinese language's development, and maybe "Baba" is derived from the Tocharian "Pacer".
So it is Clear Erans R Not Mulnivasi of BHARAT 💪🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳📢📢📢
sanskrit: pithuhu
Thai: พ่อ (in English, father, pronounced 'paw'); แม่ ( mother, pronounced 'mare')
@@neilfarrow1535 That is extremely interesting! It almost sounds like some Thai was derived in French or vice-versa, because father in French is Pere like I'd said, Mere for mother (which is Mater in PIE & Latin, Mitar in Sanskrit). I feel like that's just too phonetically close for it to be coincidence.
You are doing a great Job. Many historian avoid this controversial topic. Many youtubers are trolled for making anything related to Indian history.
I agree. They skirt it because of the word 'aryan'.
Yes this is true.
Many Chinese accounts also confirm theory. Northern India had aryan look people
@@mastrammeena328 This was many years ago. That why Northern India look different than South India.
@@StudyLeiFengGoodExample which Chinese sources please
In Serbian:
Swastika - Svastika - sister in law
Kaliyuga - kaljuga - heavy mud
...
@yitzhak rafaeli shekkelsteinberg Pre-Slavic ok
@yitzhak rafaeli shekkelsteinberg We are mostly neolitic farmers.
All the words you typed out are Sanskrit.
@@priyachand2697 or Indo-European
Swastika means sister-in-law in Serbian? Am I reading correct?
If you think the Sanskrit meaning of the term "arya" is in any way relevant as a counter argument then you simply aren't informed or intelligent enough to participate in this discussion. If the former, then you can start by learning the etymology of Arya and the meaning of its cognates. You cannot project a sanskrit meaning back on to an older language! That's like saying a skirt is a shirt because of its etymological root! LOL en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan#Etymology
Paul Sholtz Wikipedia isn’t really a “source” per se, it’s more of a collection of sources, which you would know if you bothered to read the references at the bottom, but obviously this would require a higher attention span which you probably don’t have.
As for your claim as IE being a made up conspiracy theory in an attempt to appropriate other cultures “by academics to satisfy whatever agenda they’re getting paid to push.” LMAO
What agenda? And who is paying them? Please tell me more I’d love to know more about this hahaha idiot
Paul Sholtz and your claim about those cognates is false btw, the Irish cognate with arya is actually “Aire” which can mean noble or freeman. Same as the Sanskrit equivalent. Nothing to do with silver.
All goes back to the PIE root “heryos.”
Paul Sholtz >prove it
I don’t need to, it’s been proven since the 18th century.
@@TheM41a What about the persian word "Ariya" which means the same thing. You dont want that because it supports the most modern theory that PIE with R1A gene originated in modern day iran. The oldest R1a variant is still present in small proportions in Iranian population. Even though the Arabs and Persians thoroughly mixed so the current ethnic stock is much more Arabicized. But this still does hurt your "All good ancient things were done by whites" state of mind so you will conveniently ignore the scientists when it hurts your worldview.
@Jigov - Very interesting my friend but one thing i do mention when we have discussions about the so called Aryans is that you should read Mahabharata & Ramayana(Indian Epics) and fully understand it and it takes a while as there are many volumes for both. These Indian epics are said to be anything from 10 to 100 thousand yrs old and i know there is a huge gap as there are many many versions where it gets very complicated but the general view is that not only these epics but other ancient indian texts are the oldest on this planet. Also there are recent discoveries in India where chariots and swords were found which dates to 6-8 thousand yrs and clearly debunks the Aryan invasion theory.
As an Indian i thank you for making this video ☺️, much appreciated
My pleasure 😊
Our dna match with more than 60% African then rest of them are mixture
A civilization that Sacrificed gold and riches to save ordinary lives. That's phenomenal
Can you do a video on the "sea peoples" that invaded ancient Egypt?
They all died when his island collapse in the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, they came from a round city with canals in the south coast of this island
@@christiano9693 Nope = Alive today, Nope = Tsunami/Flood came from the Atlantic Sea, Nope = It's near Tartessos in Spain, Aye, Aye, Nope = It didn't Sink it got Covered in sediment like what happened in Japan recently but on a bigger scale and No to Abrahamic fairytales.
8:47 Even we,BJP supporters don't take him serious
I think it's unfortunate that this has become such a controversial subject. I think the shared ancestry between Europeans and Indians should be a source of mutual understanding and kinship between us. It's nice to think that pieces of the culture of my ancestors that were lost in Europe live on in India.
I agree
As a north Indian I agree.... we are long lost brother with our own ethnic identities now.
To all the dumb hindu nationalists who will call me a Pakistani or fake... Pakistan ki maa ka bhosda and I'm from Sundernagar In Mandi district from himachal Pradesh
hear hear!
That's not possible given the shift in foundations of europeans to iconoclasm.
@@grizzlyfam7901 South Indian upper castes are just as ostracized and oppressed now, thanks to the leftist shi*ts. This is especially true in places like Kerala.
As someone of North Indian descent as well... thank you, the sheer amount of people I’ve met that deny the hypothesis is appalling
@yitzhak rafaeli shekkelsteingoldmanberg Actually most of India is Caucasoid.
It’s because if this theory is recognized then people will start going “why do we let these foreigners push us around?” And question the caste system, and it seems they don’t want that
Nobody here is pure cucasoid. Many are a mix but north Indians, punjabis are likely to have more cucasoid DNA.
I would still say that Aryan migrations occurred but not Aryan invasions
@@dwarasamudra8889 Does it matters what you call it, when war, raiding, murder, and raping take place? Non-peaceful migration? I've seen no evidence suggesting the Aryan migration into India was peaceful. I have seen a skeleton with skulls smashed and pelvic fractures.
Yo the opening statement itself is straight up lie. Arya is a title used in Vedas, Upanishads and old Sanskrit texts.
There is no mention of Aryan nomadic tribe in Vedas... Prove ne wrong I'll give you $100
Look up etymology of Arya
@@Survivethejive
What of it ?
I'm a native Hindi speaker also trained in Sanskrit. It is a common word for us.
@@begrateful4231 arya means nobel thats it
@@begrateful4231 if you provide the source i will look it up. the word Arya is used by only 2 civilizations. One Indian and other is Iran. Arya is not race, it simply means noble person or well educated person in sanskrit
@@______________2275 look up the ethimology of aryan
I think it would significantly tone down the different nationalistic reaction if instead of scholars saying India and Europe were colonized by Europeans, it was said that these locations were colonized by western steppe people. Europe and Asia are geopolitical notions after all. Not a criticism, just an observation.
Love your stuff👍
The theory does say western Europe was invaded by Eastern Europe. Europeans have little to no problems with this.
its like history all over the world. group A invades B.B invades C. C invades A. and all empires die out eventually. proving nobody is superior than anyone. its just matter of time.
@@gamingcreatesworlddd2425 i think u have it wrong.
sure max muller gave this concept in india as a scientific( for those times) study, finding craniometric, nasal width and language similarity. but he was not a racist. or propagating divide and rule. british were well established in south with no resistance, major resistance was from north, esp punjab and UP. how can they propagate aryan superiority where natives stand shoulder to shoulder to british?
this theory was later taken by hitler and hans f.k. gunther (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race) given the so called superior aryan race theory.
do u even understand marxism? how can they propagate this theory considering their ideology?
also i do not personally care about race. i am concerned about history and facts. and all facts till date prove this hypothesis. even sinauli, where nationalist read dumb wattsapp messages without looking at actual results. if u r interested, look at birbal sahni institute, lucknow. results.
this is an indian institute.
i know why so many people are riled up. its not the divide and rule, as so called aryans of india are very much indians as rest of them, and nobody can throw them out.
the main reason which most people understand but will never say out loud is
1) this proves the vedic religion is outsider religion, just like islam and christianity. so the criteria of gaining power by nationalist hindutva agenda, flops. and nobody wants to share the power.
2) fewer people realise this but they do. and it will be hurtful to many hindus.(sad fact, but it is what it is) the vedic religion has been discarded by balkans, most of old europe and iran as mythology, while hindus still believe in it.
here i want to point out that its vedic religion, not hindu religion and maximum damage of this hypothesis when proven right ,will be to brahmins, who derive their power due to religion. thats why u see only brahmins with the loudest voice against it.
u only have power over others if other believe u.
@@alborland5675 cascusian
@@bablubaban008 or India was colonized by western Steppe people ( just like Europe was).
Contents:
00:30 History of Indo-European theories and Aryan invasion theory
10:25 Yamnaya-like DNA in modern Indian and European people
15:28 Who brought Yamnaya-related DNA into the Indian subcontinent?
18:27 Why do some people in South Asia look like white people?
20:08 Ancient DNA from South Asia - what the latest evidence from 2018 shows us
28:30 Conclusion or TLDR for lazy people (It was Andronovo/Sintashta)
It's a nice history!
Thank you for sharing,makes sense,great video,enjoyed it much.
@Ragnar Lothbrok No, white or blue eyes people will be high caste in India, all others are dark skin Dravidians.
@@arat9144 not true.... even the agriculturists and farmers belonging to certain tribes of north India are Aryans too....These tribes brought agriculture horses and cows to India along with the high caste people...
@@arat9144 Slavs and Germans are closely related, both come from Corded Ware culture
Hard to believe the BBC used to be so Indo-European...
Think that was Sir Mortimer Wheeler. He excavated Harappan sites and insisted that some skeletons found in streets and wells were evidence of Aryan attacks into Harappan centers, but though the larger Aryan hypothesis is conclusively proven, that particular evidence has been refuted owing to the lack of any significant fortifications or weaponry among the Harappan cites, suggesting that whatever nation existed then never went to war. The skeletons likely belong to victims of climate catastrophe or some internal disturbances during the gradual desertion of Harappan cities
@@katishindus691 pick up a book the RSS didn't publish and stop embarrassing yourself, kid
@@arihankrishna rss does not publish books now listen if you are a hindu you might know that the battle of kurukashetra took place in 3000bc so can yamanaya come in 3000bc itself and start sanskrit language as sanskrit was spoken way before the yamanaya invasion happened i believe they might have migrated but not at 3000bc or so probably at 1000bc or something cause hinduism is indigenous and all the natives of indian sub continent might have converted to it and i believe hinduism started way before mahabharata probably when emperor bharata was ruling and during emperor bharata's reign many spoke sanskrit so this is just my opinion as i dont believe in the aryan invasion theroy pls dont be rude to hindu culture or rss
@@therealissacnewton I'm a Hindu, and secure enough in my identity to not be threatened by real history, or to use a fake account with a Christian name to spread propaganda for that matter. And I don't have to be a Hindu to know about Kurukshetra. I know Christians and Muslims better versed in Indian history and Hindu mythology than the likes of you will ever be. Second, There are publishers affiliated with the RSS like Suruchi Publishers who are based in the RSS head offices, so maybe learn more about your own organisation. Whatever you said about Kurukshetra has no basis in real history or archeology. BB Lal's excavations at the site produced no evidence of a battle on the scale described. Third, as far as the date of the battle is concerned, if you're referring to the date Aryabhat assigned, it's even earlier than 3000BC and, again, it has been repudiated repeatedly by modern archeology and historical research. The battle of the ten kings in the Rig Ved, which is the earliest source for Vedic life and history, is dated to no more than 1500BC. The Mahabharata is a mythological epic which very indirectly has its origins in real history, in India and perhaps partly outside it, which was written down from bardic traditions of uncertain antiquity possibly a millennium after the Indo Aryans first came. Excavations at Hastinapur and Indraprastha, at the Purana Qila complex near where I live in Delhi, have produced no evidence of the bustling urban areas described in the Mahabharat, only some small settlements. The Mahabharat is of deep spiritual and cultural value to me not just as a Hindu but as an Indian, and as an educated person I see no need to invent some dubious historicity to enhance its value. Cite some serious sources instead of people like Shinde, who bullied David Reich into obfuscating the terminology for early Indian ethnic groups to suit the Sangh's agenda, to support your outrageous assertions and then we'll talk. If you can't do that, stick to spreading your pseudo history in whatsapp groups. Finally, you're no one to say I've been offensive to my religion. Hinduism's core is the pursuit of truth, and you're an adharmi for consciously or unconsciously propagating falsehoods. And as for being rude to the RSS, that's my constitutional right and it'll be a cold day in hell when I allow politeness to prevent me from calling those clowns what they are: clowns.
@@arihankrishna so if the theory is right then i am an Indo-European origin? Because i hail from a bhraman family
Switched to newest first comments and saw Survive the Jive helpfully answering questions to this literal very day, respect!
Would you look at that, an impartial, empirical CZcamsr immune to political agendas. Top quality work.
While you pounded in the Indo-Aryan migration/invasion theory, and addressed the DNA; you never mentioned the later Alexandrian/Greek Bactrian/Indogreek kingdoms, and how those greeks complicated the DNA research. A lot of the pics of present day blue eyes in Pakistan you use to illustrate the Indo-Aryan, are probably descendants of the later Greek invasion.
Not saying the Theory is wrong, just it is more complex.
If it’s the Kalash you are referring to, I recall finding no evidence that they had any admixture from Alexander’s Greeks. Perhaps you could link me to something about this?
I heard of this view before, not in a genetic perspective but more historical that Alexander's men took brides who carried on their genes
Ancient Greeks have very low Indo European dna and high Anatolian Neolithic Farmers dna
Thats mostly in the pakistani region tbh
@@ziiik4398 in northern Pakistan mostly. The KPK region of Pakistan has majority of people belonging to pushtoon race. And these pshutoons/pathans are originally a group from Iran who migrated to Afghanistan and Pakistan and also India. That's way in todays's time pashtoons of afghanistan, Pakistan and India have blue eyes( not all tho). Also in India in areas like Jammu and kashmir, Ladakh , Himachal Pradesh and suprisingly Rajasthan has a lot of people blue and green eyes. In fact green eyes is very common among local people of Rajasthan.
I think Slavic languages have a lot of connection with Sanskrit like with numbers how others mentioned. Also interesting to see that the Vedic religion is all about knowledge and in Slovak "vediet" means to know. Same with buddha meaning "awakened" and in Slovak budit means to wake. Could just be coincidences but I saw no one mentioned this.
They even sound similar to sanskrit
Veydeyt’ means “to see” too.
This is what he was talking about in the video when he talked about the linguistic connections between European and Indian languages, being noticed as early as right back in the late 18th Century. He did not mention Slavic languages in particular, but Slavic is indeed in Indo-European language, as are the vast majority of European languages. Similar connections to Sanskrit exist in Germanic, Latinate, Greek, Celtic etc. languages, because they are all related. The Slavic words you mention do seem to be particularly key words though.
Lithuanian is the closet living language to P-I-E (Skanskrit too but its mainly spoken for religion but there are ppl trying to revive it as a spoken language) :)
@@ieetrgun2620 Interesting
Based Indo-Aryān's 💪🇮🇳😉
No we don't share anything incommon with white ppl
Contrary to what a lot of Indian nationalists will claim, the "Rakhigarhi Skeleton" in no way debunks AIT/AMT. I suggest anyone interested in the topic to actually google the study published by Prof. Vasant Shinde and Dr. Niraj Rai. No matter how much they may attempt to twist the data into fitting their politically biased position, it doesn't support the Indigenous Aryans hypothesis at all.
Illegitimate historical revisionism is running rampant in India these days and is even openly supported by the government. This really needs to be stamped out because in my opinion it's a national embarkment for the country. I, as a European nationalist, fully support Indian nationalism, however what I will not participate in is pseudoscience.
Political baises fighter librandu here
"an invasion...we can call it a migration, if you prefer." It wouldn't be the first time an invasion was called a migration!
nah it was invasion kicked dravidians to south so it was invasion
@@niceboii9368 I was referencing the "migrant crisis", but if you want to get into it...isn't it just that the Dravidians to the south have less of a mixture of Indo European DNA because the IEs came in from the North, and their impact was felt most there...ie they didn't go all the way south or they'd have just as many such genes there.
@yitzhak rafaeli shekkelsteinberg Hinduism was created by aryans not dravidians . I am Dravidian we follow different gods like lord murugan ok so stop using Hinduism ok
@@Sinsteel Dravidians came from ancestors from Africa and Australia but aryans came from Iran so their is big difference ok . Government brain washes ur head to stop conflict ok .
@yitzhak rafaeli shekkelsteinberg what dude, aren't Dravidian known for being peacefull and minding their own business. When did they become sinners.
May you be blessed with many wives, elephants and rice fields like a maharaja.
not feasible today..
Dude, what ???
@@mercedesbenz3751 unless
@@user-jj6yq4mo8r we can get one wife and a bunch of cattle tho, that's feasible.
Based
I discovered your channel quite recently, amazing content, it changes the whole perspective of the world
Pointing to some bones doesn't make it an invasion. A migration does not mean they are the ones that brought Hinduism. Siva/yogi coins were found in Indus valley artifacts.
It didnt say shiva. Just a seal with a figure seated in a similar fashion. Maybe influenced shiva later on but shiva cult resembles cults of Veles and Odin too
@@Survivethejive what about the Shivalinga that was found in Kalibangan 🤡
@@Survivethejive Devotion to Shiva is a cult? How so anymore than devotion to a God/father/son/spirit? Speaking down to the polytheists is second nature I see for western scholars even today.
He is a pathological liar. He keeps deleting comments.
@@Survivethejivewtf and you follow Jesus cult🤣
I am pretty sure odin and velves didn't do yoga. Nice try 🤣
Bitch Lasagna,
Very Indo-European
Jake Williams Literally
Gaydiepaie
@@dragonplayz6606 it's ok, we understand sarcasm, also alot of our low IQ people are actually horny like in the memes
One problem: Marija Gumbutas was a respected archaeologiist with some feminist views, not a “feminist author”.
A small discrepancy
What’s wrong with being a feminist author? She was an archeologist and a feminist
@@Lumosnight The term 'feminism' is gynocentric and tainted to say the least. Modern feminism has lead to the death of civilization. You can argue semantics all day long, but ultimately you're associating yourself with the radical kind when you use the term 'feminist'.
The father of my college sweet-heart is a Brahman from Assam. He told me about the Aryan migration 25 years ago. To him, it was fact even then.
I am a Kshatriya from Assam, where you from
I'm from Assam too. My parents taught me about Aryan Invasion as a fact
I'm from an Iyer Brahmin Family and there's literally no Brahmins that generally accept this theory in India... They're all pretty traditional Hindus that look at this as a very bogus theory. But the evidence has built up, and it supports it, so I changed my mind over time, though my parents have not. I disassociate with this varna or caste stuff though, pernicious ideas thats caused havoc.
@Avra Talukdar well I don't see how migration could be true. Its a good story but non assuring enough. Invasion theory besi convincing nalage jaanu?
@Avra Talukdar The biggest reason people call it an invasion is because almost no female specific dna is preserved but tons of male specific dna is preserved from our hypothetical PIE people. Over such territory and periods of time invasions and migrations become nearly the same but it appears the PIE culture and men became dominant in the regions they lived in.
Indian flag 🇮🇳 doesn't have spoke wheel but it is Ashoka Chakra (Dharma chakra) which represents 24 speaks in Buddhism.
so what ?
The amount of blatant lies, not even like debatable analysis, but straight up BS has been said in this video many number of times without any hesitation.😭🤣🤣
Luv surviving the jive
Luv ancient texts
Luv the Indo Europeans
Simple as
Not racist. Just dont like em
@@ROTHSTEIN01 my indo ayran brother
iqbal singh yes brother
Long live Israel 🕎🕎🕍🕍🇮🇱🇮🇱✡️✡️
@kseykshoykshaksat - I believe this cast bs should stop.
Indo-European studies gets so complicated; I have trouble keeping track of the different cultures, migrations, time frames and so on. Tom, are you ever going to be a university professor of history and teach classes? I'm down to enroll.
This is my class
@@Survivethejive Well-said
True, though linguistic and DNA as well as archeological evidence points to a homeland around the Caucasus mountains and Euro-Asian steppes. I remember some archeologist that studied caves in the mountains/hills that sprawl all over Euro-Asia stated that the proto Indo Europeans were very large cave dwellers during the ice age and we're well over six foot tall, from the height of the paintings on the ceilings of caves. The caves they were showing on film are in France I believe. More amusingly my mother tongue Pashto is very similar to French. We also have similar features to Celts as well as a propensity for auburn/red hair which supposedly indicates we are quite inbred. The genetic theory states that blonde hair/blue eyes was a gene-mutation that took place from inbreeding light skinned but dark haired Proto-Indo-Europeans and Red hair from inbreeding blondes. Not sure why Sweden isn't ginger yet but Scotland and Ireland are. 😁
Unbelievable. The way you tie it all together. Well done.
Indo Aryan invasion is not unique for the descendants of Indo Europeans. They invaded stone hedge builders in Britian. Invasions were also done in modern day Greece, Italy, Germany, Scandanavia, Spain, Turkey, Iran etc. In fact, it's only in India that significant genome and cultural artifacts like Shiva survived from the pre-indo-europeans.
To summarize, let's not consider Indo European invasion of India as something unique. If anything, it's one of the few places to preserve prior customs.
Regarding Shiva as the only pre-indo-european deity. As far as I know in the old Norse pantheon there were two gods - Freya and Frey (The Lady and The Lord) - who are said to be the old gods of the farming people of that part of Europe before the Yamnaya came.
Shiva came after Vedic period, post Indo-European.
@@tobacco118 Archeological artifacts of Shiva are in Indus valley civilization, which is pre-indo-european.
@@ronniereloaded The figurine from IVC is just a figurine, no proof whatsoever that it is Shiva, that's a lie concocted by Hindutva academic. Shiva only appeared in Purana, post-Indo-European, post-Vedic.
@@seidnettzueinander9122 Did Frey and freya do yoga? 🤣
That's the thing about nationalism: A nationalist mindset doesn't allow for a universal truth, but instead a national truth. The only truth a nationalist would accept is a truth that makes their own nation seem the best. Turkish nationalists prioritize the Anatolian hypothesis, Indian nationalists prioritize the Indian hypothesis, and German nationalists prioritize the hypothesis which depicted Aryans as German in appearance and nature.
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Not true at all, If your nationalism can't exist alongside universal truths then it is false. But their is nothing inherent in Nationalism that opposes universal truths.
@@gaffgarion7049 Inherently , not, but nationalism very often uses some lies or half-trues trying to convince the population that they are a single homogenous group.
But of course there are exceptions.
Yes, this is why I’m more and more skeptical of nationalism, even though I’m just as opposed to globalist “race replacement” as ever.
But can't all these be considered European/German Nationalism as they ignore the points which may threaten their theory and try to propagate half-truth themselves?
May Indra bless you with many cows and unlimited mead
Aryan invasion theory is fake.......only malesch can eat beef
@padma purohit du u know what is Sanatan dharma..
@@bhartiye_ who are the Malesch?
@@bhartiye_ The Vedas clearly mentions meat eating and even beef eating.. as do the Epics and even ayurvedic medicine. Many Hindus are aware of this and argue that "This was allowed during the previous Yugas but not in the current Kaliyuga". I suspect the ban on beef was in response to Jainism and Buddhism and probably initially limited to cows that were capable of producing calves and milk but not castrated bulls (steers) or non milk producing cows etc
Read gau Puran......I know u will not read ..... because best example of bastard
"Invasion" is a very loaded word. It presupposes a high level of societal organization, political sophistication and logistics. "Migration" should be the prefered term, unless one can prove that such a high level of organization existed beforehand. "Raiding" might be "sophisticated" in planning, but does not require a sophisticated culture to execute it.
Also, invasion would mean they all came as one monolith all at once? But the reality is they probably kept seeping in one by one in small groups over a large span of many years.
That would seem to make sense to me. Migration is a broader term that can include many forms of human movement, including, but not limited to, invasion (which sounds like a unified coordinated forcible event). Unless specific information about how the Indo-Europeans arrived in India is forthcoming, migration seems like a better term.
Don't tell em that, they want it to be invasion, these are all groups of pampered people with delusions. Half of the video is from sources like news articles? None of them fact checked , most of them are just claims and story telling and a bunch of cognitive bias. They state the bbc when it supports them but not when it doesn't.
Russians are still coming to Goa and other places in India for warm weather.
@@ganeshreddy2623 Not only Russians. I’m English and I’ve been to Goa 🤩
Indians is literally mixed Iranian farmers, south Asian hunter gatherers and Indo European. Just like Greece, Italy and the Balkan many of them has this components Indo European, neolithic Anatolians
The aryan migration from Pamir has two streams, to the west, across Europe and to the subcontinent called afterwards Hindustan.
Also to Anatolia, where they somehow took over hurrian soeaking mittanni empire
Actually, the term Aryan was only used by the Indo-Iranian peoples, not Europeans.
@@chinmaybhogilal6459 yeah but i think the gentleman who made the original comment was also referring to aryan as indo iranian
If you have a look at some migration maps you'll see that there were really many branches, going in almost every direction, and then some splitting to go say one to Middle East, and one as you say the subcontinent. And the migrations didn't all happen at the same time either.
@@Sinsteel : I agree with your last paragraph.
I went on a trip to Latvia and Lithuania with my university. My tour coordinator was a Lithuanian and she said Lithuanian and Sanskrit have very close origins. Anyone know more about that ?
Lithuanian is one of the most conservative indo-european languages. It had very little development compared to other indo-european languages over the last few millenia.
Sanskrit is an ancient indo-aryan language which derived from proto-indoeuropean. So did Lithuanian.
Also they are both in the same major branch satem along with other balto-slavic and indo-iranian branch.
Old lituanian has grammatical dual , just like in sanskrit.
Yes actually Lithuanian and sanskrit numbers are the same,ekam(1),dwe (2),tri(3).. you can watch videos of bahadur alast,he compared various languages and their similarities,like tamil and Korean are very similar languages ..it may be helpful to you.
is not that close , because your language is baltic . The closest from all slavic languages is Macedonian - almost 6000 words similar to sanskrit, then is Serbian .
the pajeet rage continues
Says a person who humps a pillow printed with image of a teen japanese cartoon character 😂
jeets cannot cope with being on the losing side...
@@dsjadsfdsj4402 lib
Mujeet
@@MrRrrr698
He doesn't know either, he's just a mouth with no brain behind it. 🤣
I think last year they extracted DNA from a woman's skeleton belonging to IVC at Rakhigarhi site in India. Could you make an updated video explaining that study?
Edit: September 2019
Got Skelton for sunali near Delhi almost 5000 years old
The woman was from the pre Steppe migration and like all Indus people was a genetic mixture of Iranian neolithic and Indian hunter gatherer.
Ay man, hol' up. So you tellin' me we wuz brahmins and kshatriyas?
islam islam Many were ;)
Aryanz n'shiet
@@islamislam-zw3il Clearly you're some hysterical barbarian.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm dead.
Nope. It just means hindus, persians and certain Europeans shared common ancestors and homeland in remote antiquity but then there wasn't hindus, persians and Europeans they all developed after centuries of migration and settlement in specific regions Hindus in India, persians in persia and Europeans in Europe.
"The Aryan invasion"
Jewish people: 😮😶😥😰
Ironically the Persians helped the Jews escape from Babylonian captivity and in turn the Jews borrowed certain Indo-European concepts into Judaism. More recently Israel and India have strong links as they both find themselves surrounded by hostile nations which follow the same religion
@Shreyas Misra pure blooded elitist Jewish families have J1 Ydna and fits their tradition as it the same haplogroup of their cousins arabs.
J1 is different from R1 so not the same father.
J1 originated in Armenia region Caucasus.
@@pabslondon Ha, yes, but they are far from brothers in arms if you see how many jews talk about Hindus. Worst idolators than the Christians!
Shreyas Misra no, modern middle easterners are not Indo European. They are part of the Semitic group, and speak Semitic languages. And also, just because they came out of Mesopotamia doesn't mean they are indo Europeans.
jimmy jukzson that's a religious claim, I want a scientific claim.
Btw, I am a religious person myself.
It seems steppe hordes invading and lording over agricultural societies is pretty common in history. After all the Indo-Europeans did the same in Europe and many of their descendents had the same treatment by Arabs, Mongols, Turks etc.
@desneribe he meant nomads
Yup, in india you had the Indo-greeks, indo-scythians (or indo-sakas if you want to be specific; nomadic Horse Lords that traversed the great steppes) and indo-parthians.
ibn khaldun literally made this his subject
Feel like I'm late to the game, idk how it took me so long to find a channel like this 👍
never too late to survive the jive!
this channel and Robert Sepehr are amazing channels and will wake our people up. Jive and Robert are far more important today than they would think. you guys are actual blessings in these times
If AMT is true then even EMT (European migration theory) is true because East Europe =/= Central Asia
Of course, European Migration theory is true.
@@vatsdimri3675 no not European. Steppe people. Old Iranian/aryan
@@zet99darius87 Steppe People came from middle Europe, they are the same people which migrated to western Europe as well.
Immigration happened in 2000 -1500 bce to indus and Anatolia. old Iranian farmers living in around zargos and caucus region from 8000bce but find smaller portions R1a DNA in current Iranian population because of empires and immigration from different places, Unlike East European. Research say R1a DNA came from Iran/caucus region
@anthony k R1a DNA comes from present day Iran 25000 years and corded culture mixed with central Asian people and same ppl again moved from central Asia to east and western Europe
South indians were highly civilised once upon a time.
Didn't they build a road to Sri Lanka or something?
If they were the Indus valley civilization I'd say they were the most civilized Indians have ever been. They had a "modern" sewerage system, indoor bathrooms and toilets, highly planned cities, communal baths, boats and ships,... what more do you want?
@@SDX2000 All sleeping under indian ocean
That's tru, they also developed the large body of Tamil Sangam Literature which was an extraordinary display of intelligence. I wouldn't just say 'once upon a time'.
@@suryaprakas4527 No they migrated to the southern part of India. The IVC skeleton excavation was Haplogroup H.
damn browncels malding in the comments lmao
Haha, like always. Indian. Can't stand them.
@@LordOfSweden nah just tell me from where do we look European bruh
like i get it some indians from Kashmir,Himachal can be very fair skinned but they dont look european at all
Strange that this subject has become so divisive, especially in South Asia. When Indians were fighting for independence many rejected many things that were British including scientific theory about Indian origins. Who could blame them? They had been subjegated by the Britain for many decades. Now they were being told they came from the same place as the British. This belief did not play well with the nationalist Hindus.
@Neelesh 10 no
Why not test Aryan migration with some families tracing same (harsh weather/mountains) route with resources & tech of 5000 year old? Many wild animals including apes found across Africa, South America & Asian continents. How did wild animals like elephants, tigers, lion, crocodile, bears, etc came to India?? Is thr any (fake) theory to explain?? or "Aryans" took all these animals with them during migration? Lolz
@Neelesh 10 "20%-30% of Indian mtDNA haplotypes belong to West Eurasian haplogroups, and the frequency of these haplotypes is proportional to caste rank, the highest frequency of West Eurasian haplotypes being found in the upper castes."
www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(19)30967-5.pdf
science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6457/eaat7487
@Neelesh 10
Bhai.
Science naam ki bhi koi cheez hoti h.
@Neelesh 10
Bhai.
Proof apke charo taraf hai.
Bs aap accept krna nhi chahte ...Apki majburi hai.
Aur mazburi hm samjhte hai..
Isiliye...Rahne dete hai.
I'm Native West Sumatran, Indonesia. My paternal haplogroup is R1a1a2. Honestly, i have no idea where all it came from 😂 since i don't have any foreign ancestor. Is it mean that i have an Aryan ancestor ?
Datuk Rajo indians used to have an empire that stretched to Bali
@@mattgrav3r374 Indians princes travelled as far as Vietnam
Even Phillipines has Indic Civilisation influence
The Indic influence on south-east Asia was predominantly from South India through the Pallava dynasty and the Chola empire, both of which existed in the common era although Indian culture began contact with and in turn, influencing south-east Asia from around the 3rd century BCE. Is it not more likely that your paternal haplogroup may have been from an unknown ancestor during the Dutch colonial period?
@@whoisjoe5610 yes, youre right, the Bengali, Mahayana buddhist Pala kingdom did also have cordial relations and influenced Srivajayan society which ruled Sumatra at the time. That was short lived however and the Pala were never an occupying force. Their influence was later greatly diminished following the Chola invasion of Srivajaya which, although the Cholas also didn't constitute an occupying force and went mainly for plunder and to break the kingdom's maritime monopoly in the Malacca straits, did end up having a greater imposition on Srivajayan society than the Palas - with Chola nobles accepted into the Srivajayan court, Chola subjects conducting diplomacy with China on behalf of Srivajaya, and also in the hereditary records with some Malay princely dynasties retaining Cholan or Chulan as their dynastic surnames.
I would still have thought the OP's R1a1a2 paternal haplogroup would more likely be the result of an unknown Dutch ancestor during tge colonial period, seeing as intermarriages and even rape was not uncommon between occupying European colonial forces around the world.
Furthermore, Indonesia has a recorded history of a mixed Indonesian-European group (the Indos) who are a remnant of the Dutch colonial period. There was also a great stigma attached to the Indos in the post-colonial/independence era so even if the OP's paternal family had not simply forgotten about the European side, may have conveniently brushed it under the carpet in the post-colonial period out of fear of prejudice.
There's nothing like aryan dna being from some place.
The last point about the Dravidian people not being primordial but just an earlier group to enter South Asia, preceding the Aryans by a few centuries to maybe a millennia, makes a total sense from a cultural perspective. Even today there are tribes in India called Adivasis (literally meaning "old inhabitants"). Surprisingly, some of these groups still have languages isolates related to aboriginal languages (australo-asiatic group). These people are probably the first group to inhabit the region about as far back as 60-65kya (after Mt. Toba). Later the Dravidian people came & settled into what became the Indus valley civilization. They developed the precursor beliefs of Hinduism such as yoga, Shiva etc. Much later after that the Aryan people came in & mixed into the remnants of this civilization, bringing the Indo-European languages, and incorporating their own Indo-European god like Indra, Agni etc into the pre-existing religious framework already in place, creating the basis of the Hindu pantheon of the Vedic age.
@@drinkinman86 idk if you're aware that there's more difference between sanskrit & Tamil than between sanskrit & Greek or German. Also, nothing is ever one way, if people move from one place to another, some will obviously move in the other direction. This took place over thousands of years. It's not like how loads of Syrians moving to Europe in 2 years & settled there.
Evidence of submerged cities off the coast of Gujarat and Southeast India seem to hint toward what you are claiming.
@@jcrowviral Yeah, that's something most people don't know about. There are entire submerged cities off the coast of Dwarka, Mahabalipuram and even Konark. The one near Dwarka was discovered by scientists doing ocean pollution surveys. It caused quite an uproar since the last time the seabed where it was located was above water was 12000 years ago, during the last ice age. The archeological survey of India proposed to explore the site but suddenly the government of India cut off all funding & banned diving in the region. It's speculated the govt came under intense pressure from established academia, especially based in the US & UK, to not report any discoveries that do not fit the current historical narrative & timeline.
@Christine Taggart I didn't get the last bit of what you said. However yeah, Graham Hancock tried to do a comprehensive piece on this. However, it's hard to get stuff done if both the mainstream academia & the government are actively trying to dissuade your work.
Most sensible comment on the topic... Also that saint agastya who came to south fron dwaraka was the panini of tamil language
Also if possible how would you counter or what opinion would you give of David Frawley's refutation of the Aryan Invasion Theory?
There is nothing to counter. He doesn't understand dna
All the Hindu Nationalists and Dalits try to manipulate the Aryans theory
Thanks for your unbaised explaination
Why did Dalits try to distort this theory? In fact they're the ones strongly believing in this theory. Instead many upper castes try to distort this theory to prove themselves as white or from pure aryan race 😂😆 just like you're trying to prove 🤣😂
U r white and have blonde hair blue eye like albinism
No mention of Rama-setu and the underwater findings near Dwaraka .
Besides that , Rig-Veda never talks about a different homeland than the one surrounding the Punjabi rivers .
Several nomadic tribes
Also skeletal remains in rakhigarhi show no proof of R1A1 genes
@@abhinavsharma9243 yep, the rakhigarhi samples are an interesting development.
Mark Rodriguez caste system came in later Vedic period
@@abhinavsharma9243 Rakhigarhi DNA samples don't disprove Aryan Migration theory, in a way it actually proves it true. What it actually disproves is the believe that there was another migration before that which introduced agriculture to Indus Valley.
We are all sons of ,Indra ,Odin,and Zeus, we are brothers ,indians and europeans
This video is fake so don't believe in it
Obviously extreme right would deny any European involvement in the evolution of their culture, religion, language etc.
The Indian subcontinent united against European colonialism and now they get to know that half of them share a significant European genetics, the dna of same people they saw as "invaders", this could potentially lead to conflict between Dravidian and Indo-Aryans which could destabilize the massive country of India which somehow has stayed United despite so much differences. Adding a racial view could further increase tensions with Dravidians seeing Indo-Aryans as foreigners or Indo-Aryans feeling "superior" due to their contribution to Indian culture and religion. India is a fascinating country as I've never seen people so incredibly mixed that it's difficult to find 2 people with exact same skin color.
Dravidian separatists have already blown up one of our prime ministers. Their stooges burn the Vedas and the Manusmriti publicly.
Right wing also denied evolution ...
What can u expect from them..
Jai moolnivasi
Pretty much this. It’s been too politicized and makes the whole North-South debate worse.
Pretty much this. It’s been too politicized and makes the whole North-South debate worse.
Aryans never superior , they are invaders infact they lost all vedic gods to Dravidian god lile shiva , krishna , rama ,, no one worship vedic gods , infact aryans are little contribution to indians society ( Dravidian society) other than spreading language , did you ever look at south indian architectures u will blown away , which is not found in north , infact souther states are more developed than northern states
You can say "gravity exists",
and some people will be like "it's only an excuse to justify colonialism of one race over the other", as if the fact itself will lose importance.
Thanks for doing this work Tom. There was some controversy among the Traditionalist authors about the Aryan migration into India. Glad this research clears it up.
Hi European brothers and sisters..🙏🙏🙏
What is a European; a Indian albino From montains... and we have proud of this💪💪💪
Hello,dear brother.
Hi!
G'day mate.
@@dabbingsquidward5748 Germans were racially pure until the 20th Century where there was a sudden increase of Non-German genetics into the country and that thing about swedes? Completely untrue, Norse were the Ruling Class in Kievan Rus' and they enslaved local slavs but there is no evidence of major breeding between the two groups and that thing about Slavic Swedes makes no sense, do you seriously believe that eastern european thralls could just go to Scandinavia? You can argue that they went as slaves and vassals but there is no physical evidence for that whatsoever, you're just making autistic assumptions.
How about you show me real proof of your dumbass claims instead of selling me your bullshit Pan-European Identitarian ideology?
Sir collen Renfrew deserves full respect and admiration for he is a true scholar and an honest seeker for the truth he did not let his ego get in the way
STJ What are your opinions on the Drying up of the Saraswati River mentioned in the Rig Veda. It is said to have dried up around 4000 years ago but is mentioned in the Rig Veda. Could it have been past knowledge from descendants of the Indus Valley Civilization passed down to the Aryans after they arrived?
There were many rivers called saraswati
@@Survivethejive Is there a source for that, acknowledging that the Saraswati river is seen as various rivers?
@@Survivethejive Source.Please
@@Survivethejive there are specific mentions on where Saraswati river is and it clearly mentions in India. Please do research and make a video on it. I'm interested to know.
Thanks
Rigvedic and later Vedic texts are used to suggest identification of present-day rivers or ancient riverbeds. The River Sarasvati is said to lie between the Yamuna on the east and the Shatdru on the west in the Rigveda's Nadistuti Sukta (10.75); the river Sarasvati was a tributary of the Bhagirathi River, which was active until the 16th century, but is almost non-existent today.Majumdar, Dr. R.C., History of Ancient Bengal, First published 1971, Reprint 2005, pp. 2-3, Tulshi Prakashani, Kolkata,
I am an indian.
i agree, r1a gene came from the steppes.
if not, then europeans should have our harappan ancestry, but they dont.
instead we have the steppe R1a gene.
shows who migrated where.
brahmins are arya people
@@jaibhimjaibharatjaisamvidh4739 so are Khshatriyas
@@aryan.kapoor rakhigarhi DNA doesnt match with aryans and thats the point that aryans came later and were not the part of harappan civilization.
move on from invasion theory, its migration and later on they fought after settling down.
saraswati in the early mandalas is the haraxwati of avestan literature that comes from hindu kush. aryans reused the names of rivers from saraswati to sarayu in the east.
@@aryan.kapoor and u r a clown hence proven
@@aryan.kapoor 19000 BC 😂 when humans lived in caves
Excellent video as always, Tom. Would you consider doing a video on the Rig Veda in the future?
Da Wey yes i love those hymns
So if for example the haplogroup I2a1b which is nowadays spread mostly in the Slavic countries of southern/eastern Europe and is said to be part of the Corded Ware culture, it should be present in countries like Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India to some extent too, am I right? Because I've read only about R1a to be present there, not I2a.
Same bro I'm confuse too. But not denying the theory.
"Narrative changes every passing day" ...still highly arguable.
The ignoring of evidence from Indian perspective can be seen with bare eyes in understanding of these theories. Why not study it more from Indian front as you did from you own western front throughout history. Unarguably India has more complex cultural evidences than just presuming things.
Preach
The oldest picture of wheel is from POLAND!!!Bronocice!!!
Super M's Yes, more then 10 thousand years ago and it is in POLAND
Hmm not sure but can be
Alinel Woundhorn Bs
Alinel Woundhorn the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior, the best indicator of past behavior is present behavior.
Yes it seems the Indo-Iranians, Balto-Slavic and non I.E Finno-Ugric people were in contact with each other relatively recently
Greatings earthlings. Prepare to be invaded. 👽
Hurry up please!
Okay, so do I have this right?: The R1b Yamnaya come from the Russian Steppe into Central Europe where they mix with the Neolithic European Farmers to create the R1a Corded Ware people. These Corded Ware people then move back east into the Russian Steppe where they form, among others, the Andronovo people. These R1a Andronovo people then move south into the Iranian Plateau, and then further south into India, where they form the Indo-Iranian and Vedic peoples? Is that the theory?
Imagine 3000-5000 years in the future and English writings are found in India recording the history, culture and science of the region. It's difficult to accept that the language for everything recorded at that location, came from a little island, thousands of miles away, through invasion. Now India has the world's largest population of English speakers.
Yes the first proper archaeology in India was by the British, and the British revived interest in Vedic scriptures, demonstrated the antiquity of Sanskrit through linguistics, discovered forgotten medieval ruins of great Indian temples and towns. They even united Bharat as one nation for the first time in history. Without the British, India would probably have been made Muslim by Mughals and others
@@Survivethejive Mind you! India was already united culturally. i dont think we needed Britishers to unite India
@@subhomazumder7559eah very cleverly forgets that the mauryas and gupta empires were the first to unify india into a big empire like state from afghanistan to bengal long before any brit did.
Infact, the very word “Bharat Varsha” means a unified landmass of the Indian subcontinent as mentioned in many Sanskrit scriptures.
Also forgets the fact about how the British demonised Indian religion and discontinued sanskrit as a language also dismantled the long standing gurukula system which was backbone of the civilisation.
@@subhomazumder7559No Indians were barbarians and not united
@@NoRiceToEatno Indians never conquered whole Affghanistan only Alexander did
Nehru gandhi are as genuine as mother teresa. So whatever they wrote or spoke, is as genuine as flat earth.
Lol
That doesn't mean what this guy(stj) says is not genuine.
You obviously didn't hear what I heard about Mother Theresa!
What are you talking about . Mother teresa was the best CEO of conversion factory . She spread her factory’s all over india
@@TheHarharmahadev sarcasm tha, samjho na
This video is FANTASTIC. it has helped answer a lot of questions for me, i am of Pathan Ethnicity, my forefathers came from the Khyber Agency of Pakistan (Right on the boarder with Afghanistan). my Grandfather use to have very european features, thin sharp facial features, brownish/gingerish hair and bright crystal blue eyes. i took one of those ancestry DNA tests, this test showed my Y-DNA which shows your paternal line only, and my Y-DNA was Exact R1a like you said in this video.
R1a is asian in origin not European.
sicunder kahn watch the video before you comment.
I think Kalash tribe along with the Nuristanis have the purest Indo European lineage...of course these already highly Indo European ethnicities were then reinforced by Alexander's Greek troops...thank you for your comment detailing your family history
@@MrJuggernautishere Indo European ethnicities, you are wrong, it is not related ethnicity, but only language.
We are talking about Y male DNA only. If you are talking about ethnicity, you have to take into account male and female DNA. For example - father Polish with R1a, mother Nigerian, son will be R1a, race black, and ethnicity will depend which country they live (Poland or Nigeria).
By the way, this is a myth about Alexander's Greek troops. Locals do not remember thousands years history and trying to explain white skin and grey eyes some times very stupid way. But some of them still remember why.
@Al Farsi Congratulations! You are brother in DNA with Slavic nations:)
Your video is totally accurate
My mum is north Indian and my dads south indian and this theory has always made sense to me
Amazing video
My wife is from north Iran she has green eyes light brown and blonde hair light olive skin .she has Parsi cousins as well.
She Sounds gorgeous
Does she have any single sisters?
Tf is up with the replies
Now I'm pining for the one who'll come and give sweeping comment that will read something like this " Sanskrit is the mother of all Indo European languages"
PLENTY of such comments
Won`t work. Sanskrit has much in common with Lithuanian as I`ve heard, it`s hard to believe in any type of influence of India on Lithuania
If invaders(Aryans) were really the composers of Vedas, don't you think that they would have dedicated at least one vedic verse towards glorifying their invasion over India.
The reality is we don't have any such verse and definitely aryan invasion theory is purely mythical
@Rani Khan yeah, it was probably a migration rather than invasion. Otherwise it would've been similar to the americas where the colonizers were the majority. I believe the local population might of been subjugated and may have surrendered peacefully to the new arrivers, where the arrivers soon placed them selves at top of the system and the rest below them.
@@abhishekkapoor2062 there's a difference between expressing your feelings on a subject, as opposed to expressing your knowledge on a subject.
How do explain the vast genetic evidence?
How do you explain the presence of indo-european languages in Northern India?
You're not looking at evidence in order to derive a conclusion from it. You have a preconceived conclusion, but the real world evidence is contradicting that preconceived conclusion and you don't like how it makes you feel. Your post is merely an expression of how you feel.
Thank you for the subtitles. Very helpful for me!
Every time I hear this story, I hear about Germany, Scandinavia, Russia, Ukraine - and nothing about Poland. How is it possible? Was it a desert? Or someone's wiped out this piece of history? It doesn't make sense to me.
Almost all of the modern day geographic area of Poland was within the Corded Wear Culture
skin colours based on geography, food etc. I have seen many Kerala,karantaka ppl are very fair and look like north indians where as ppl from tamilnadu and Ap are little darker in colour. Ppl in North India also mix of darker and light skin.we all are same.This colour discrimination created by Britishers to divide india and also the Aryan- Dravidian concept. I was laughing on one comment where one person was telling Shiva is north indian God😂😂 because he stays in himalaya.some stupid ppl divide gods also into north and south categoy
And other person was saying Shri Krishna is dravidian God cuz he is Dark 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Shiva is definitely pre vedic god.
And Skin color based on geography and food then why are there blacks in USA ???
Shouldn't they look white now ??
@@BeautyIsObjective
Krishna must have been a local hero...Who was later made a god and all the titles and honors associated with Indra was given to him.
Krishna has no place in Vedas.
He is a later creation
@@amritraj41 u r from mars. I don't think u belong to bharat.
@@shreekumar5079
Why.
Coz I don't believe in bullshit ??
Coz I don't believe a monkey can fly in the sky and eat the sun ??
Can you touch on BMAC, Yaz culture and the Iranian migration into the plateau with Persians replacing Elamites?
This is high quality stuff Tom.
Excellent stuff, clearly Indo-European
மண்ணாங்கட்டி Tom.
Is this like some white nationalist race realism shit?
@@lyricallemons6625 ever questioned that maybe race realism is true?
al gonzález Ohhh so that’s what this shit is got it.
al gonzález So you guys believe the aryan invasion is true and that it actually supports your guys beliefs?
What is your view on phenotype f which originated in and around India(since India is where it is most abundant) and is present in almost all population a cross the world.
As an Indian, thank you for taking the time to explain this theory with evidence.
Bruh!!! It's just that Europeans want to make their own identity by taking ours....😂
@@kannan159 lmao there was an invasion, get educated , crying ere won't cange the truth, invasion product lol
@@begrateful4231 Ohh Abhijit chavda?? A dude who called Europien yamana people as Indians?? And say Europiens are from india?? U people are doing the same thing as soo called westerners except you people have cultural and political propaganda
@@kannan159 And u Bakts always use the same logic and it becomes annoying .And lying?? Bro please he's just saying what reality is and what studies say . You can't deny the truth by whatsapp University knowledge and giving out some bunch of pseudoscientists .Its simple cause just read rig veda and compare it with modern shiva , Vishnu , Brahma .
@@kannan159 LMAO i never described anyone here u dung head .I just said andh Bakts always use the same logic along with some mythological proof .And do u really think that Aryan migration theory is stright from WhatsApp University?? C'mon now u just can't prove anything u dung eater 😂
Fascinating overview, leaving lots to research- many thanks
Serbian speaker here and I understand alot of sanscrit , I read somewhere that Serbian and Croatian are most similar to sanscrit
vinashkale viprit buddhi
Ok
Lithuanian is the most similar to sanskrit.
Hindi is most similar to Sanskrit, along with every Indo Aryan language spoken there.
@@Wattershed93 Maybe, but Slovene has some forms that just Slovene and Sanskrit have. Here is proof:
Dual form of verb
have jaz imam
you have ti imas
he, she, it has on, ona, ono ima
we two of us have midva imava
you two have vidva imata
they two have onadva imata
we have mi imamo
you have vi imate
they have oni imajo
Also name of river Drava - drveti, deroča reka means in Sanskrit (Drava) fluid, water run
You see what I mean? Do you have any example like this?
Awesome video thanks Jive
Hello, just one information, in sanskrit leader of Aryans is called (Srbinda), in Serbia when we see that someone is brave, and love to be a Serb, we call him Srbenda. And name of one city in Serbia is Inđija->Indija or India
Isn't it obvious
I mean just look at the upper castes and lower castes
Upper castes have predominantly Caucasoid features
Only an ignorant fool will deny Aryans invaded/migrated to India
@Indicus Chronicles
Sure thing lol
You must be one of them didnu nationalists lol
@Indicus Chronicles
Maybe you're too mixed
I've seen many high caste people here and all were Caucasoid
@Indicus Chronicles
Lol I've seen people who prove otherwise I even met a guy who was high caste from south India who had blue eyes
@Indicus Chronicles
And maybe you're one of them daleets or whatever with an inferiority complex
Hey Yames iam a vedic arya kshatriya we have a book of our ancestry records in haridwar shows us of assyrian ancestry and iam totally surprised by that.
Conclusion:
Aryan invasion was a historical fact, not a myth
29:25
You should be saying Aryan migration theory
Because people may think they are Invaders.
Do you have a time machine???
@@rajenderchhetri2051 yes sry😅
@@user-yp3yw5cg4z nope
Check ur DNA ..Thre is no difference between SOunth and North Indian Genomes
Hey mate, really enjoy your show. I'm from Kerala and have Syrian Christian parents. I did a DNA test, and found out that 15% of my Y-DNA is Q, which is from Siberia. Is that normal? When did that migration happen?
@Roygbiv because everything is not turkic
Even Turks are mixture
നാട്ടിൽ എവിടെ ബ്രോ
@Roygbiv to be fair turks were very widespread everywhere
May have come from Hunnic invasions of Arabia and Levant
@@gasenjoyer...4594 You have no idea of timelines. Stop adding "lol" to everything. Russian Evangelisation events started much later(during Grand Duchy of Moscow) than when Syrian Christians arrived in India which was during 700 AD, even before rise of Islam
Also Huns ravaged Levant which was under Sassanian Persia. Later Turks/Göturks and Mongols also invaded Levant, but it was in the 12th century, long after Syrian christians left.
Sassanian Persia was a vassal state of Kiderites, Hephthalites and Alcohon Huns during 4th-5th century and earlier, so Huns mixed very frequently with Levantines.
Jats and Rors of Haryana have the highest Steppe Andronovo ancestry not Brahmins, because these 2 tribes are of scythian origin
Nowadays anyone Speak about Vedas without correctly interpreting it...
One word has ten meaning in Sanskrit depending upon where you use...
When you say meaning, you actually mean interpretation. Sanskrit is highly specific in assigning words to conceptsin a way that one word may never sound like another, and it may never have two radically different meanings.
@@brainiac1595 Sanskrit have also synonyms of words. Do some research.
@@Rahulkrajput2 synonyms are different word with same meanings and Sanskrit has lots of those, you're right. I'm saying Sanskrit avoids one word with different meanings. Like 'bank' in English.
Could you make a video on the Indus valley civilization? Also have you read Early Indians by Tony Joseph?
Couple of things brother , blue eyes have independently originated in many parts of the world such as Tamils, melanisians etc , also by David Reich's own admission , DNA samples in the mainland indian subcontinent ie UP (United provinces or Uttar pradesh), Bihar etc might not have survived due to harsh weather conditions so the assumption of origin of aryayi people in East Europe is maybe a guesstimate
Blue eyes only emerged in one population in Mesolithic Europe. If you see anyone with blue eyes it is either because they descend from them or it is because they have an eye disease
@@Survivethejive thanks for the reply , not to push too much on the point , but these melanisians had no previous contact with Europeans , plus they also developed blonde hair independently , this is an extract from Discover magazine article "That is, having blonde hair is not correlated with a different ancestry in these Melanesian populations. Rather, this is a relatively robust recessively expressed trait that seems to have been segregating within these groups before contact" , same is the case for blue eyes , maybe a recessive gene , who knows , but similar mutations in different parts of the world under selective pressure or random chance are plausible right?
@@Survivethejivealso , if you you don't me asking, what is the meaning of that insignia or pattern on your profile pic , seems so cool
@Scrotie McBoogerballs I was pointing out , just like in albinism, skin decoloration is related to depigmented eyes such as blue or grey , similarly melanisians possess the TYRP1 gene which makes dark skin and light hair and eyes, sort of related traits
@@zulu2885 Actually Australian Aboriginals, New Guinea tribals & Vanuatuans, etc all have many blond children, but virtually all these Melanesian children turn into brunettes in their late teens or early 20’s. However DNA that shows blond persistence past that age comes from the Ukrainian / Russian steppe some 7000 years ago. So any people from the subcontinent with blond persistence past their late teens or early twenties, actually suggests confirmation of steppe DNA in the subcontinent
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