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First Time Watching ALL of Star Trek - Episode 149: Up the Long Ladder (TNG S2E18)
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The Target Audience are watching Star Trek: The Next Generation for the first time! Today we watch season 2 episode 18 - Up the Long Ladder
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Methinks the shades of grey discussion won’t need 15 minutes. 😂
YES!
If this was painful for you guys, just imagine how Colm Meaney felt. Apparently the Space Irish were even more stereotypical until he asked them to tone it down a bit
Jesus Christ I can’t even imagine them being worse
He had to threaten the writers with his shillelagh
The Irish colonists were even more over the top originally???
God, how much worse were they???
I still bet it was good craic on that set though.
Roddenberry's car had a transporter malfunction without him in it. Chief O'Brien told him, "We only have to get lucky once. Ye have to be lucky every time." Then he Lord of the Danced away.
“Our most painful Star Trek reaction” Hmm, hold that thought…..the worst is yet to come.
A horny ghost just entered the chat!
"LOVE ME!!!!!!!!!"
@@caroltawil They were referring to an episode that they weren't going to name, because they have discretion.
@@caroltawil Shush!
@@jkhoover Thank you!
The 'What the Fuck Bro' at the end killed me...... never laughed so hard.....
"Excuse me, Captain. Have you heard from the other colony? They're after me Lucky Charms!"
I've heard that Picard was laughing because Patrick Stewart just couldn't keep it together.
"Our Most Painful Star Trek Reaction" Ohhhh honey, you've got a big storm coming...
I don't need friends, they disappoint me.
a grey storm
*snap
They're only beginning to plumb the depths of Seasons 1/2.
You guys picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.
In one of the blooper reels, Michael Dorn, Worf, Gene Roddenberry and Irish guy sing a song
I was surprised you didn't at least surrender to the silliness of this episode
With the serious nature of some of the cloning aspects in the story line, the comedic elements of the Brimloidi were needed here
Being of Irish heritage myself, I wasn't offended, in fact I was laughing out loud
Exactly, I really liked this episode. It was just light fun
I'm not Irish, but I did like that they had livestock. As a kid, growing up when this episode first aired, we had chickens and knew people with pigs nearby. Half of our property was basically growing veggies. It was cool to see that sort of thing on the otherwise very sterile Enterprise.
Thank you. I agree this episode was lighthearted fun. Even Picard was laughing. I wonder if that was planned,,or if Patrick Stewart just had the giggles and Riker ad-libbed.
Same here. These two getting their panties in a wad over this episode.....really? Been real, but not real good. I'm out. And the world will turn.
The best part of this episode is Worf saying “Then you’d have been standing in the fire”. This is one of those episodes I remember watching as a kid, like 10 or 11 years old maybe? So back then it wasn’t as cheesy and cringe as it is when I’m 45.
My favorite line of the episode, too.
It's a little surprising how good Michael Dorn's comedy chops are for a character as stern as Worf. He knows how to milk such a deadpan delivery to great effect.
I think we're going to find that like all episodes, there are good and bad parts. Some just have a lot more of one than the other.
I remember being pretty excited to get that Enterprise lore about the fire suppression system. I dunno why, it was just a neat thing to find out about.
@@fakecubed Shield technology opens up a lot of potentials. The lower tech version is to just open the airlocks. And hope no one is in with the fire.
If Geordi can tell if people are lying with such accuracy, why isn't he better at poker?
Why isn't Troi?
Because he chooses to use his power for good, not evil. 😂
And I would argue that maybe lying in a game of poker where money doesn't exist, you don't have as strong of a reaction as you would of you just helped kidnap people and completely ignore their right to bodily atonomy.
Agreed, that's a pretty significant plot hole
Is a person really lying when they bluff in poker? It's not like they're verbally saying anything about their hand. It's all about actions and body language. And if they're confident they'll win even with a bad hand, a person could probably fool Troi too.
I'm convinced the writers got drunk and wandered around the Paramount costume department for ideas, and banged out this Irish Clone Swinger Society dreck.
Paddy: Send in the clones!!
George Lucas: write that down! heheheh
Spielberg, panicking:
X O X
O X
O
Can we all just take a break and appreciate just how fucking good Ron Jones is. His musical scores elevate the shows worst episodes to at least tolerable.
For real! I keep coming back to his Trek PC scores too, they are amazing
@@royroblox it just sucks that Rick Berman looks at him multiple award-winning composer, and says “you’re fired’l.
Star Trek had a thing about the Irish. They'll shut down the engines and sing "I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen." They'll beat the snot out of Kirk... "C'mon, Jimmie Boy, hee-hee-hee!" They'll get drunk and build fires in your cargo hold. Irish and Scottish and booze, oh my! Did an Englishman have editorial control?
and the Scottish too. Any excuse to get Scotty in a Kilt and to remind us that scotts love a drink and bar fight (Tribbles episode)
If an Irishman had control....Trek Irishmen wouldn't be embarrassing caricatures that more closely resemble the Lucky Charms Leprechaun. It's common across all American media. They Irish are always cartoons. It's as if every depiction of an American was basically Yosemite Sam.
O’Brien was the only respite
@@sdfried4877 only because the actor enforced it. On DS9 they straight up tried to get him to do a leprechaun episode. He refused.
@sdfried4877 Ah, a joke. Hahahaha. Sorry, I had to quote Data. Excellent punage!
With how fast Brenna is back in the hold with her people, we can dub Riker "Minute Man".
Definitely! And didn't "mellow her out" one bit! LOL!
Faster than the boy at the beginning of Halloween 78.
Riker had his fun, and that’s all that matters
@@mattparsons433 A hard working country girl is apparently a bit more vigorous than Riker was prepared for.
@@nathancline4000 “Riker I’m going to milk you like a cow!”
This brings up the question, is killing your own clone murder?
Brenna is, at least, easy on the eyes for being a discount Maureen O'Hara character.
For all intents and purposes a clone is just a twin who's born later than usual. So... yes?
Yes it is murder! They may be a clone but every memory and experiences they create after they wake up makes them a person.
It is if it's fully matured into a person.
If its not fully constructed then no, you're aborting it.
Which then brings up the question. Is abortion murder?
@@FarseerOfCearath but was he born at that point? Or was that more an abortion?
176 episodes of TNG, there had be some that are... This is one of them. Worf being embarrassed to have measels is actually the highlight for me.
178 😉
Why would a Klingon be embarrassed by measles?
As a woman watching this episode, my thought was if I had three husbands maybe one of them would actually take out the trash.
Trust me they wouldn’t.
Phasers are really versatile weapons, which is why Starfleet prefers them over Disruptors. They have settings for Stun, Heat, Kill, and Disintegrate.
*Klingon looks down at his disruptor... The settings are "annihilate" and "off".
Measles??? Dang. I thought Worf finally succumbed to the effects of the RIker Omlette.
😂
The single best pick up line in film history.
" I thought I had"
It's not in film history though, unless it was copied from a movie.
"That's how easy it is" line was meant as a joke but it was also a little sad.
That's how easy it is in a script written for an imaginary character. I guess men and women both get unrealistic ideas of how relationships work reinforced by scripted fantasies like James Bond, James Kirk, and Riker...
kidding not kidding
@@ammaleslie509 I think it's a great pick up line because it plays off of what she says and does. She's a strong independent woman who spends her whole life dealing and caring for incompetent drunk men. She's pissed off that she is pulled from her home and can't seem to be able to do simple tasks to feed her people. When the Enterprise crew walks in the hold she goes full ham. She has no chill and unloads on what she assumes is more incompetent jackasses. Riker is immediately struck by her, knowing he has never seen a stronger more competent woman in his life. His answer is honest and charming. He's in love.
I saw this episode when I was 21 or 22 and thought it unmemorable. Greater maturity has me appreciating that captivating spirited lass Brenna. Wish she could somehow have been a recurring character :-)
Painful as this episode might be, this episode's writer based the Bringloidi on Ireland's nomadic Traveller community, recognising their separate ethnicity nearly 30 years before the Irish government did.
Good lord I completely forgot about the planet of Irish stereotypes.
It’s episodes like this that makes me want to watch “Spock’s Brain “ on 24hrs loop. LoL!
Dunno about this being the most "odd ending" in a Star Trek episode considering there's still a giant-sized Spock somewhere in the galaxy.
TAS was an acid trip
@@targetaudience Nah. Acid trips have better animation.
@@stuffyouotterlistento1461 you mean more than Leonard Nimoy singing The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins?
I feel like this episode would've fit perfectly in TOS. Maybe it was a Phase Two script?
"Send in the Clones!"
*crickets*
Obviously, a pun on the song, Send In The Clowns.
Which would still go over their heads.
"One William Riker is unique..."
F O R E S H A D O W I N G
♓
I love how the animals teleported in with their hay included.
Darby O’Worf and the Transporter People.
I remember a time where TA was perpetually asking "So where are those bad episodes everyone keeps talking about?" Here, here is those bad episodes.
And it gets worse....
This is not a bad episode. It´s ridiculous to say that when it´s a 7/10 episode.
"Tobacco Anonymous"?
@@antoniofernandez7075 It is that bad. 🤢 "Manhunt" is the only comparably awful episode of those the guys have not seen yet.
After that, it will be uphill for the guys, because, in the words of Charles Emerson Winchester III, "there are no (score) numbers lower than zero". 😫
@@antoniofernandez7075 Ah, whatever. It's an enjoyable episode and no matter the tantrum thrown, that doesn't change.
You’d think they could ask the ship’s company for volunteers. Not everyone may have a problem leaving clones behind.
as a person of Irish descent, this episode did not offend me. I enjoyed it.
No worries. Someone will be offended on your behalf.
It's always someone that needs to be "offended" for others. It's about themselves and their ego, not others
I'm always commenting on this episode with other reactors because both my sister and stepmother are extras in the episode as well as my stepmother was an animal trainer that did several episodes of the show, I even got to be on set once but I won't get into that now cuz I don't want to spoil anything.
Nice!
To paraphrase Groucho; 'All the jokes can't be good. You have to expect that once in a while.'
Is it bad that I like this episode
Firey Readhead and feet washing? Nah its not bad.
We all have those shit episodes we enjoy.
It’s so bad, it crosses into campy and that’s never bad.
Yes.
That's not tonight's episode
This has one of my all time favorite scenes. Something stronger than fireball 😂
Well, we know where Gulgafincham Ark A and C went... Not eaten by a giant space goat after all..
Ok... I guess I'm the one this time... I have always really liked this episode.
You are not alone.
There's dozens of us.
I wasn't crazy about it but it was never horrible IMO.
Me too
I always liked it too
I've always loved this episode, both fun and funny. Send in the clones!
We definitely don't want too many William Rikers running around the galaxy
That would be awful! Very true. Hide your wives! 😉
It would solve the population problem of that colony in no time at least
What makes you think there isn't more???
Miles O'Brien: "Umm Sir, I think I just beamed the Kelly Family aboard ..."
Now he has to throw one of them off of a cliff.
Possibly the most accurate depiction of the Irish in TV history.
The radical differences in the two expeditions is summarized earlier on in the episode. I don't understand the confusion. I love this one. Klingon Whisky? Leave the bottle.
"Doctor, there is no need to insult me"
Well, it's kinda her thing.
It must be his first time as her patient.
There are about a dozen needs to insult Worf
BRENNA: William, is something wrong?
RIKER: What do you mean?
BRENNA: Do you not like girls?
😳😳
To be fair... Brenna had never met Riker before... XD
She was checking his skintight uniform
A horny ghost just entered the chat!
I have an idea where the Mariposians can find some Riker DNA. 🤔
As contraception he has O’Brien beam it out afterwards.
Well, the Pulaski bashing continued :-( But you have to admit, Pulaski was nice and empathic to Worf, so she is not this supposed mean witch as she is often portrayed.
I don't get why ppl hate Pulaski that much. I actually like her!
Agreed. I like Pulaski fine
Cause she punches down. If she just gave Worf or Riker crap, I think she would be adored. Problem is, shenwas introduced as picking on Data who is socially inept. It feels like she's at best cold and heartless and at worse a bigot. Like, picking on a kid with ASD, just not cool man.
@@BurritoVampireI actually think it's plain as day they wrote her to be hated. But I can't say why though.
@@BurritoVampire I'm still not convinced -- McCoy and Spock slammed each other all the time. And the best part is that Pulaski started changing her opinion.
Guys there there’s behind-the-scenes you need to see it’s not gonna give anything away, but GENE Rotenberry was onset for this episode, and he, the guy who plays the Irish father Michael Dorn starts singing an Irish folk Melody in the hallway of the transporter room, and Patrick Stewart comes up from behind them and chimes in you. Gotta see it. It’s hilarious.
I could have swore this was a Season 1 Episode. It's definitely a step back.
Yes you did miss the dialogue about which ship had all the technological equipment.
"Send in the clones"...is one of the funniest lines in Star Trek history in my opinion. Am I the only one who liked this episode?
It's hit or miss for me. I can see why it's disliked, but it has moments that work in its favor like the Pulaski/Worf scene.
"Send in the clones" somehow manages to be hokey yet genuinely hysterical at the same time.
I really love it. Always have. Lot of great comedic bits.
TNG: Attack of the clones and the Space Irish.
Something to keep in mind is that in the first 2 seasons the writers changed practically every episode and none of them stayed on the show beyond that. It wasn't until season 3 that writers would stay on and the staff would also accept mailed in scripts from fans. The script submissions would be reviewed and edited by the regular staff but those people would still get their credit. It's also how they ended up hiring a number of good writers.
16:50 "I don't believe this clone group came from the same group [as the Irish settlers]."
Good, because that isn't what happened. The SS Mariposa was carrying *two* groups. The Bringloidi colonist were Irish Neo-Transcendentalists. Neo-Transcendentalism was a 23rd century political movement that rejected technology and sought to return to a less technological lifestyle. The first generation of Bringloidi were presumably much more technological than their descendents, since the whole goal of the colony was to renounce tech. The Mariposa colony, named after the ship, is the descendants of the *crew* of the ship and the settlers who survived the disaster.
The civilization collapse that Q mentions in the first episode did not affect all of Earth -- it primarily affected Eurasia, Asia, and the west coast of the US -- areas hit hardest in the wars. The reason Earth was able to recover in under a century is because the technological base survived in Europe and the West Coast of the US, with a new world government rising out of San Francisco.
Didn’t they say earlier in the episode that the ship was launched in the 22nd century?
@@mattparsons433 Probably, in which case it was 22nd century concept. It's been awhile since I read the Memory Alpha entry.
I hope Pulaski's handling of Worf's situation earned her some points.
"Maybe the return of Beverly Crusher.."
Well. We get a readhead...
I wish I could (re)watch all these again for the first time like you guys. Glad you discovered a new franchise to like.
I love this one! Cheers my friends! Here looking up your old address! lol
The cloning and the Worf/Pulaski subplot were interesting. The Irish bit… yeah, just drop the Irish off on the “Code of Honor” planet.
What no one seems to address with these stray colonies is that there may be some Starfleet personnel or civilians who wouldn’t mind staying behind and finding a new life, starting a family, or even serving a tour at one of these colonies as a Starfleet representative to help bring some of these stray colonies up to speed.
1. Reposted from Patreon (now in two parts because it disappeared from CZcams the first time): Working title: “Send in the Clones,” which remained the title until late in production and remains present as a line of dialogue. The original title was a reference to the song “Send in the Clowns” from the Stephen Sondheim musical "A Little Night Music"; Sondheim, in turn, named the song after a common theatrical expression, meaning to bring the comedians on stage when a show is flagging. To this day, the listing for this episode on Pluto TV refers to it as “Up the Long Ladder (aka Send in the Clones)”! The final title derives from a phrase in an Irish rhyme, “Up the long ladder and down the short rope,” referring to execution by hanging. (At least one online review suggests that the title refers to the ladder of evolution in the context of this episode. It could also be an allusion to the shape of the DNA double helix.)
In a sense, TNG Season 2 is the “pro-choice season” of Star Trek. At least four of its episodes touch upon the abortion issue, whether directly or obliquely. In “The Child,” Worf strongly urges the termination of Troi’s pregnancy for security reasons, but Troi insists on carrying the pregnancy to term. As I mentioned during the discussion of that episode, “It does the usual Hollywood thing of sending a pro-choice message while not offending anyone by emphasizing the pregnant person's right to choose to keep the pregnancy (as with "Juno"). This example is a little more effective than most because of the promptitude with which Picard shuts down the meeting once Troi announces her decision (although he ignores the possibility that the fetus is mind-controlling her).”
In “The Schizoid Man,” Picard tells Graves, “No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another.” In this case, scriptwriter Tracy Tormé (who was a man, by the way) may well not have been thinking of the abortion issue at all, but Picard’s statement is applicable to it nonetheless, in that a pregnant person’s bodily autonomy and ability to determine their own destiny depend upon their rights taking precedence over those of the unborn child.
In “The Measure of a Man,” Phillipa Louvois concludes her judgement at the hearing by saying, “It is the ruling of this court that Lieutenant Commander Data has the freedom to choose.” Although the philosophical dilemma in that episode is not analogous to the abortion issue except in the broadest and most fundamental sense (the importance of bodily autonomy), it is obvious that writer Melinda Snodgrass, who is pro-choice, used the words “freedom to choose” deliberately. In fact, I suspect it was in part due to those three words that my late mother, who was a huge Data fan but vehemently anti-abortion, never even mentioned “The Measure of a Man” when discussing her favorite TNG episodes.
Snodgrass also wrote “Up the Long Ladder,” and here we see Season 2’s most overt and controversial comment on abortion rights. Riker kills his own clone and, with Pulaski’s permission, hers as well, due to the Mariposans having created the clones without Riker and Pulaski’s consent and Riker’s belief that his clone’s existence would diminish him. Riker says afterwards, “I have the right to exercise control over my own body,” to which Pulaski replies, “You’ll get no argument from me.” Fans have nonetheless sometimes agreed with Prime Minister Granger that Riker’s action is murder, since the clones are living humans once they have come into existence - but, by that argument, abortion is also murder. Snodgrass’ polemic intent is clear and unambiguous in this instance.
Michael Piller, who would become TNG’s new showrunner early in Season 3, tried in later years to develop an episode that would have been an allegory for the abortion issue. Piller’s idea involved introducing a non-human Enterprise crewmember who, from their own point of view, was an adult. The Enterprise crew would then learn that this crewmember was a fetus of a species that lived on a higher dimension and incubated their young in the Enterprise’s dimension. The adults of this species in the higher dimension decided to abort the Enterprise crewmember, who did not want to die.
Piller was unable to make this story work without making the audience’s sympathies lie with the crewmember fighting for their life. Anti-abortion fans would say that Piller’s thought experiment showed why abortion is immoral. I think, however, that it showed only that it would be difficult in a one-hour show to bring viewers to an intellectual and emotional understanding of why the crewmember’s death was necessary.
There is an extremely controversial Star Trek episode - the most controversial in the entire franchise - which Alex and Josh will not see for another few years, and which, I think, accidentally accomplished what Piller was aiming for with his story idea. Fans have furiously debated the ending of that episode ever since it originally aired, but few or none, I believe, have perceived the real nature of the moral dilemma in the episode - that it is closely analogous to abortion. Even the writers of the episode seem not to have realized it. That episode inadvertently presents Star Trek’s most powerful argument for the necessity of legal abortion, and fans who criticize the episode’s ending may not realize that they are implicitly failing to understand why even those who believe human life begins at conception (as I do) should support abortion rights. It is terrifying to consider that, by the time Alex and Josh reach that episode, abortion may well be illegal everywhere in the United States. [This is now slightly less likely than it was when I originally posted this, but only because our "democracy" presently has a king in exile who still controls our destinies. Ain't the 21st century grand?]
Eddie Murphy cameo at 9:06. Eddie is a big-time Star Trek fan.
Tf? Thats not Eddie Murphy.
Ah begoyne!!! So it is!!! Feck Drink Arse!!!! Top o’ the morning !!! 🇮🇪 (FFS…..)
15:45 . I concur!!! 😂
Drink!!
"what the hell was that thing?!" Sums up my reaction to this episode
Best part of this was Picard's laptop. Do modern viewers even register seeing a modern voice activated laptop in 1989? 1988's Compaq SLT/286 was 24 pounds with 5" screen 😂
I was fascinated by the computer playing music 😂
This one is just fun. I love worf ordering that drink.
The Wiki is called "Memory Alpha"
I actually like this episode, not the best by far, I'll admit, but I liked some aspects of it. Pulaski is a badass in this one, protecting Worf's honorability and letting him share his culture.
The Irish girl is obviously crazy by our standards but it works well in this episode. I never heard her original voice, she's so charismatic !
The clones stuff, well, let's say that the Irish peasants solve the problem pretty easily.
Not the most compelling story but quite a funny one. It could have been a two parter as far as I am concerned...
As for the polygamy thing, it's necessary in this case to ensure the most stable genetic base possible.
Not like a certain species, three series after TNG who had no other choice because of overpopulation to integrate promiscuity into the culture, codifying it to avoid complete chaos...
You can hear the writers' pens scraping the bottom of the barrel throughout this episode... Colm Meaney understandably had major issues with this episode.
I love Colm Meaney. He's not so mean.
Snodgrass had her script butchered.
so, if Geordi's visor let's him see if humans (and some other races) are lying... WHY are they playing poker with him at those games?!
Well, maybe he has to power down that feature to play
“We’ve got a bunch of shitty little ideas that we don’t know what to do with. Each one is like a five minute episode.”
“Let’s see ‘em. I’m betting I can fit them all into one episode.”
“You’re insane, you know that?”
There appears to be a nod here to Diana Muldaur's TOS role in "Return to Tomorrow" with that orb when she's secretly scanning.
I liked this well enough. Not great, but there are several gags that work like "you would be standing in the fire."
I really liked the way Geordi's VISOR was used here. The director didn't have some overblown focus on Geordi using it, he just went around asking questions. He later revealed to Riker and Pulaski what he was doing, *plus* it's a very real world plausible use of the device.
The Worf/Pulaski scene was another attempt to rehabilitate Pulaski.
Not sure if these guys know it, but Gates McFadden was actually fired between S1 and S2. It was revealed much more recently that the person that fired Gates was sexually harassing her.
After Geordi's lie detection reveal, he should be banned from all future poker games.
While good he does play with Data who has no real tells, Worf who they nickname the Ice Man, and Riker who has a damn good poker face, plus Tori is an empath, and Crusher being a doctor means you need a good poker face so it balances out.
The original title for this episode was "Send In The Clones."
I've never gotten the hate for this episode. They're pre-industrial Irish, and...? Of course I never got the hate for Code of Honor either. Not everyone in the ST universe shares human social mores (or even 21st century human ones, for that matter)...
Same. The offended critics also fail to recognize that the technology-embracing Mariposans are ALSO Irish.
I liked this one alot...Worf with measles, the Klingon Tea Ceremony and the Irish Colony. Riker gets another Girl and the Actress
who plays Brenna Odell (Rosalyn Landor) is gorgeous. She is my Fav part of this one! You guys should get a kick out of this one.
That's it! 🖖😀
I posted that on Patreon Takes, I know you didn't care for this one but I still like it for no other reason than those I mentioned then. (Rosalyn Landor) 😉
They explained the situation pretty clearly when Picard was talking about the cargo of the colony ships. One colony rejected modern technology (space Amish) and one embraced it (clone planet).
Commander Riker can’t imagine what it would be like if there were another Riker or more. Isn’t that interesting…
This is one of my favourite TNG episodes, no jest. I think the premise is brilliant, two societies which diverged massively, and I love the woman's character just shitting all over everything. Brilliant.
As much as this episode is awful in so many ways... what really weirdly annoys me is the central concept that the colony of farmers have nothing to offer EXCEPT breeding stock. Not "living in balance with the environment", not "basic skills the overly technical colony has forgotton", nothing but DNA. Insulting the Irish, and people that live off the land!
This is actually a great point about this episode, very well said
You know, despite the Irish farmers aspect of episode, I thought the idea of stealing cells to clone people to help perpetuate their colony was an interesting idea.
Thankfully, I think this is the last TNG episode that was originally a Phase 2 script. Unfortunately, the worst of TNG doesn't actually come until season 7.
The needles going into their stomachs to get their DNA is an image that's been stuck in my head since this episode first aired. I was way too young when I first watched this to pick up on any racism. Honestly, growing up basically on a farm, I thought it was cool seeing some pigs and chickens on Star Trek.
"Captain, you'd down here... right away." (Colm Meany: Before I find out who wrote this)
Just a day in the life of the Galaxy class starship Enterprise. 😅
I honestly enjoyed the episode. Very funny to me. Must be my Danish humor that just found it all very hilarious.
If Picard creates a space force commercial, says " sign up cadets for space and meet beautiful single women". Points to miss Landers, " and there she stands!". A slew of silly moments to not take seriously during your drinking time. Geordi & Obrien & Polaski & Worf get screen time in this one. Pass the Shasta.
It feels to me like Gene Roddenberry wrote this one personally. Come fight me.
I was shocked to learn this was Melinda Snodgrass, who also wrote Measure Of A Man!!
There’s great footage of Gene, and the older Irish guy singing behind the scenes of this episode. Colm Meaney might be there too.
You need to lay off the chech'tluth.
I never minded doctor poloski.
There is a hillarious low tech spoof of several TNG episodes in German, or better, in a weird German dialect.. they made this all with home equipment and during VHS era and still manage to create histerical funny stuff, while even keeping the context of the episodes. "Q who" and "Up the long ladder" are 2 of 5 or 6 in total, I think... it's called "Sinnlos im Weltall" and you can find in on CZcams, even if you won't be able to understand one of the jokes sadly, I fear.
Can't wait for your thoughts on S3, the season when Michael Piller took the reins
omg, i'm watching this just as the Measels is making a comeback in the USA
Thank anti-vaxxers for that.
Or maybe it'sthe millions of unchecked illegals bringing that stuff in.@@MrDeathpilot
I'm Irish. Not offensive. People who get offended so easily by such things are weak. The only thing I found offensive about this episode is that the daughter didn't get naked. I woulda liked it a lot more if that happened.
Whatever... this episode RUNS IT.
" Now that what I call, a wee drop of the creature "
I love that you guys referenced star trek wiki; its officially called Memory-Alpha after the Federation library on Memory-Alpha.
There's also Memory Beta
@@nelsonoberg9747 yes but Memory Alpha is cooler.
The divergent colony development is simply explained by economic concerns
The two colony expeditions had to pool resources to afford a ship for the trip
from what i read, season 2 was done during a writers strike, so some episodes were just merged to make whole episodes