Ireland or the Springboks? Who is best placed to win the Rugby World Cup?
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- čas přidán 24. 09. 2023
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the scary thing about springboks is when they lose - people write off completely - that's what happened 2019 + they came back - winning the cup
They won again😂. Funny listening back to all these podcasts.
The All Blacks are being underestimated. Such a good position for them to be in. They will beat Ireland in the QF
No noone is underestimating them. Just the media who like to overhype everything. You say they are in a good position, I don't know what you mean. You say they will beat Ireland, well yes they very well may do, you aren't a prophet for picking them over Ireland, there are only 2 teams in the match. As an Ireland fan I fell it very unlikely that Ireland will win the whole thing. I think winning it before is massive and these guys haven't spoken about that. Ireland will have psychological hurdles to cross if they are to win it and they will also have to beat Scotland then New Zealand then Maybe England then Maybe South Africa again. It's possible but I don't think we will do that.
All blacks going get smashed
They are because it's a poor ABs team with there worst coach in history and he doesn't play players in there right positions , if they played Jordan at fullback Reiko on the wing Ardie at 7 , Roiguard at 9 then they would have a great chance
@@markshields5883 you make a good point.
The Scottish are been underestimated. If they beat us its going home time. Ridiculous talking about winning the tournament before we even get out of the pool
Saffa here… Grats on the win lads. I said before the game I personally would want to face the French as a Bok fan. I think your boys have a tougher quarter final against a wounded NZ. Hopefully our teams do meet in the final, both teams look good and are peaking at the right time. Scots look good too, good luck.
If you ( the Bokke ) meet Ireland at the finals of this World Cup. You will loose. Ireland is just a better team. If the All Blacks beat them, then you’ve got a chance to win this World Cup.
Let’s get to a QF first
Scot’s match will be really tough
France will beat SA
Ireland to take ABs
@@tarsisvanbrussel5221 Our own media “destroyed” Manie, our flyhalf. My guess is Pollard will slot in at 10 for the playoffs. It will mean we have a decent goal kicker. I think its 50/50 between the 2 sides. Pressure will be on Ireland in a WC final as its unchartered territory. Your future coach (Rassie) made some bad calls on the weekend. He learns from mistakes. In any event, whoever wins will have deserved it. If Ireland win its good for the game. Southern hemisphere golden years are certainly over for sure. If Bokke win you’ll have to deal with my fellow saffa load mouths rubbin it in😉. We probably have the worst type of supporters in that regard. Apologies in advance, its embarrassing at times. My 2nd team is NZ and 3rd is Ireland.
@@markc3258 France not as good at the breakdowns as Ireland, they’ll likely get pulled into the slow Bok rhythm and get bludgeoned by the forwards is my feeling.
@@tarsisvanbrussel5221as if we will not have a kicker in the final 😂
All Blacks - no chance. I'm loving this - completely writing them off.... not even in the discussion eh boys! 😆
It was bok's game to lose...
As a springbok fan I want to congratulate Ireland for their victory, what a game it was. Sure SA missed kicks and that could be frustrating to watch, but rugby is all about accuracy and Ireland were the more accurate team and the deserved winners. I hope both teams will meet again in the final, for another awesome game. If Ireland would win that would be immense for the country but also for rugby in general, first time for Ireland winning a world cup. So wishing you guys all the best in the next games and hopefully we meet again :)
Thank you so much! That brought a tear to my eye. I cannot express how much winning this tournament would mean to the WHOLE of Ireland, and also the Irish team and management. It certainly would be immense. Again, thank you for these thoughtful words, and all the best.
I think the bald gentleman is onto something, though i think it's a mistake to assume that Rassie and Jacques made a mistake. The whole gameplan was very unusual for the Boks, never mind the decisions to take goal kicks that were low probability. They picked a 23 that emphasised the forwards, but then they played most of their rugby in the backline. They were even launching passes from the top of the lineout jump straight into the backline. SA do not play like this, particularly if they are being challenged in physicality, or when they know that their opposition is expert at turnover ball in the breakdown. They keep the ball amongst the forwards, they maul, they make short passes to pods of forwards or de Allende, if nothing happens over 5/6 phases, they kick it to get the opposition turning round and to set their defensive line higher up the field. As the bald gentleman suggests, this is how they will likely play in the knockouts. This just seems too odd for the guys that turned the worst Bok team in history into World Champions over night, so I'm inclined to wonder what kind of questions that game was meant to answer, or what boxes it was meant to tick.
And on the long range, low probability shots at the poles, i wonder if it's not as simple as just wanting to stick Libbok and De Klerk into the pressure cooker and see what they do, because they want to know exactly how Pollard is going to fit into the whole mix. There is a question mark over whether he can make 80mins yet, so there is still a lot of thinking to do on the topic.
I agree on almost everything. But much as I like and respect Pollard, I believe we needed a proper second hooker in those dying minutes more than we needed a better kicker - for all the talk of poor kicking, let us not forget the unforced error that turned a 5y attacking lineout into an Irish defensive scrum; or the final maul that had no hooker securing the ball at the tail as Bongi and Malcolm always do.
A proper replacement hooker and then we needed Manie to do what he really does do well - hammer every penalty into the corner and let the 15 forwards wreak whatever havoc they can. There is only so much pressure that the opposition can take and we hardly exerted any.
@@Karma-qt4ji that's kinda the thing. It seems like winning wasn't the top priority, else they would've made different decisions. It was a priority, just not the top priority.
On Marx's replacement, Dweba wouldn't have been in that team either. They like the players to train for a week, and if the player doesn't train on the Monday then they're not in the team announced on Tuesday, and they only released Marx on the Sunday. So I doubt any of the problems you mentioned would've been resolved regardless. I imagine the Dweba is the next in line for the call-up though.
@@kevinewert8546 They held onto Marx long enough to see if Deon / Marco could make the cut - they could have called Dweba up a couple of days earlier and he would have made the training on Monday.
Dweba is not in Marx' league but he does play for the Stormers alongside Kitsie and Frans - so you start with him and bring on BongiCrew later to do what they always do :) In that final maul, I would have bet my house that you'd see Bongi at the back with the ball under his arm and we have won a good couple of games in the final minutes with Bongi just doing Bongi things.
We contest 7 line outs Ireland loses most of them and all of a sudden we just stop contesting? Ball in open/loose play and we watch how Ireland gathers it and we just defend, happened 3 or 4 times. Something strange about how SA played
It's like chess...SA wasn't operating at 100%...fair play to Ireland...glad they feeling lucky...😜🍺
Very true words spoken by these gents. It is a good thing SA played and lost again IRE. Now the Springboks know what the Irish strenghts are and what their own weaknesses are. If SA play IRE again this RWC, they will beat them. Like Rassie said, you have to loose, to learn! Watch this space!
And now Ireland knows SA weaknesses, it was a learning curve for both teams and more importantly they know they can beat them now, this 7-1 horse shit can’t be used again to try and scare the Irish.
@@Shane-zx4ps LOL
@@Shane-zx4ps Our only two weaknesses were...not having a dedicated kicker and the fact that we did not bring the 7 on all at once. It's not a scare tactic...in fact it did not even play a role in the match. We firstly conceded away too many penalties, and failed to capitalise on 3 missed and a conversation. Let's put the boot on the other foot! If Johnny missed all his kicks...it would have been a similar situation. Now we can play this silly game of "What if" all night long, but Ireland was more successful in executing theirs. I still respect the outcome and congrats to Ireland once more. Like you said, both teams learned a lot on Saturday. How both are going to take that forward from here, well, we will have to wait and see. I stand by my old saying...may the best team triumph in the end. Humbleness and respect for each other will be the winner at the end of the day.
@@starrider529,
(Repost of the comment I left)
Irish fans celebrating like they just won the cup, is kinda' funny. (That's not taking anything away from Ireland's performance, though.) Apart from the fact that we left *at least* 8 points (in reality more, but let's keep it conservative) on the field, Ireland played their best possible team. The Boks did not. If (because the ABs could pull a rabbit out of the hat, unlikely, but possible) they were to face us in the final, it will be a whole different ballgame. The Irish fans can scoff at this comment as much as they like (and attempt their go-to "oh ye so salty" insults), but it's the truth. Also note as an observation, not once in this comment did I insult anyone, but I do not expect the same in return. I really like this Irish team, BTW.
@@Shane-zx4psIf we meet again, honestly, Ireland should be the more nervous, boks had more attacking pressure and if we convert any those tries and kicks and different outcome. If I was Irish I'd be very humble about that victory
To be honest. Ireland is going to play a very strong New Zealand team who is looking for revenge after losing a series at home against Ireland.
We need to sort out our lineouts. Addressing that will be the difference between reaching the finals or getting knocked out in quarters.
At the same time it seems ‘revenge’ no longer cuts it for NZ. They actually lack the skill as a team to win at will. Of course they can beat Ireland, but there are question marks hanging above them that didn’t hang there in the past. They’ll need to dig really deep. And then, can they repeat it? It’s an exciting competition!
@@servaashofmeyr271 honestly, their potential semi final opponent will likely be a weaker opponent than Ireland should the ABs make it past Ireland so their chances of repeating are slightly better. I think Ireland are the deserved favourites but at the same the ABs have defeated both Ireland and SA in the last 12 months. Both occasions by handsome margins so if the ABs are on that night then they have a good chance of winning. It’s just whether they’re on given their patchy form lately.
ABs are definitely a bigger threat now than the last time they played Ireland. There’s no comparison. ABs management has changed, Jason Ryan has been brought in to take over the forwards and Joe Smith for the backs. The ABs have new props. This All Black touring group is the most united, focused and happiest of seen in 8 years. Furthermore they are totally backing Foster because of the way NZRU have treated him. And their leaders not afraid to honour The Heavenly Father. This group is un-afraid.
This guy Rob Kearney has too much emotion and bias in his assessment. I understand he had a win against the ABs but I’m guessing he’s had more losses. My advice to him is “don’t let your fear cloud your judgement. “
Did they show a different game in Argentina?? The match I saw, the last 20 minutes was all SA, Ireland looked tired and defended very well but always backwards, on top of that the Boks gave up 11 points off their kicking game!!
Yes, the Boks were chasing the game and Ireland were defending.. what’s the point, that how it works. The point is the Boks could not fix the issues with their kicking. Ireland had issues with there line outs and fixed their problems. If Ireland had the line outs right they could have scored another 2 tris potentially. If they hadn’t of licked the ball into touch and went over the bar the score would have been higher. There is a lots of ifs and buts, the reality is the Irish won the game.
OMG, did you really give up 11 points off your kicking game? Golly gosh, first time I’ve heard that!!! Not. Either get a kicker, or get over it.
I could go on to say, had Ireland utilised their first 4 line outs - we would have got more tries but that didn’t happen either.
Your comment about the Irish looking tired, I thought everyone looked pretty tired but we held onto the win and that’s what counts. Can always have a rest after. Thank you.
@@toconairHe's right. The Irish were out on their feet, hanging on for dear life. That they won is a tribute to their tenacity, but the fact that that their reaction was being relieved rather than triumphant, was telling.
@@louismuller8724 yes, they were happy to win the game.. again what is the point, are you saying Ireland we’re lucky to win the game and scraped it.. that Ireland won the game against predictions. It almost sounds like this is a once in a lifetime win. I like others fancied Ireland to take the game. I was just surprised that Ireland did not put up more points against the Boks.. Ireland played exceptionally in parts and performed under par in other parts. There were 6-7 substitutes made by Ireland in the last 20 minutes. So to say they were out on there feet is incorrect. Yes, they were tactical and defended expertly which did not allow the Boks to score at the end. Do not underestimate Ireland as a Bok fan, the team management do not do this and they realise that when playing Ireland that it will be a win or loss with very little margin.
One of the kicks hit the post and that led to a try. So 11 points is completely incorrect. The kicks weren't easy either
Well played Ireland, you boys outplayed us. I'm excited to see my boys pick themselves up and show the world why we are champions. Come on Boks we support you through thick and thin!!
If Ireland get past the quarter final then I'll be fully convinced they can win it 💪
Who’s “we”… Fiji?
Well same with SA
There is no set to be a boogie Team for them in the QF game let's see how it will go
'IF'- Agree 100%.
Irl get out of QF on form so hopefully continue to fire and keep getting rub of green, or at least not be on wrong side of it
to be honest: had South-Africa had a goalkicker on the field, it was a comfortable win for them. 11 points missed is quite a gift to Ireland. Also, that last rolling maul of SA that collapsed could very well have been a successful try. Ireland did not beat the Springboks , the Sprimgboks lost the game with a few very unlucky moves. When they meet again in the final, Pollard will play and Ireland will lose this time, as they should have on Saturday.
No one is talking about the role of Joe Schmitt. He helped get Ireland to where they are now. But he is back with his own people now plotting the downfall of the team he created. He knows each Irish player really really well. Ireland are dismissing the AB's and that is simply stupid, not just a tad arrogant.
Joe is too negative
He was there for the test series
I don’t think Farrell is arrogant about this. But I still don’t see how people can think France is an easier opponent than NZ. In NZ rugby is basically a religion and the team always shows up when it matters. I mean this is a nation that has only ever missed the semi finals once! This is probably the best Irish team in history but it also has one of the hardest roads to the final of any team in history.
Mack Hansen, James Lowe and JGP are all "new" since 2019, though JGP and Lowe were waiting in Leinster...
Moreover, if Joe Schmidt was orchestrating the NZ attack against SA and France, he didn't do a great job...
No offence to Joe,he did a lot for Irish rugby but he has no plan B,there's very little room for players like Hansen and Lowe in his regiment
Let’s not forget that Matt Damon has won more world cups than Ireland.
Who is he
So have Australia...but I don't think that is making a big difference in 2023...😂😂😂
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I'm quite surprised to see how everyone is writing France off just because of Dupont. They're playing at home and have an incredible team even without him. And they will have even more support than Ireland did in the SA game. Both Ireland and SA fans look overly confident about the rest of the tournament. We're not even in the QF yet people ...
No one is writing off France or the ABs. France are great and I'd say its probably 50/50. Ireland ABs, Id say Ireland shave it, maybe 60/40 but the ball is not round.
SA will hopefully get through France but France are at home....very tough.
So the probability will be Ireland France....but England, ABs etc can also easily upset this plan.
Nice and interesting takes. Thanks gents. From a fanatic Bok supporter. But, even calling myself a "fanatic" basics are still in order if you call yourself a "SPORTSMAN." Well done to the Irish lads. They showed all the signs of "hunger.. Determination, guts, toughing it out when needed. The attitude is there...in spades. Congrats in their victory. Oh shit......in kicks my "fanatic" trait.............so....enjoy.......but tread carefully!!😄😉
Always do
Both teams could be knocked out. Can’t believe we are already talking about a winner so early in the World Cup.
Exactly
Its because the level of game-play was so much higher than any of the other teams. Things can change, but till they do...
I'm Irish and I don't know jack about rugby. But I'm confused about how if we're the 1 ranked team and we won a game that SA missed a couple of kicks on how that was such a big statement win... also the big final would be beating France IN France
"they beat South Africa well"...well? They were hanging on for dear life at the end and if SA had even had an average kicker on the field Ireland lose that. I think Ireland are in trouble against NZ in the quarters. To only win by 5 when boks kicked at 20%...
I agree Ireland can't beat sa wth handre arnd
Ireland's lineout was terrible in the first half when we had about 4 opportunities in the SA 22. If it was even mediocre we would have racked up more points. Stop being dim.
Totally agree Ierland hgoing to come second agianst the kiwis. And they have a kicker
@@splorticussuii3303 You're being dim mate - your lineout was terrible because SA are the best defensive lineout team in the world, check the stats. Eben was all over your lineout and that's why your timing went. But Ireland had absolutely no role in SA's kicking, libbok just kicked badly, which was Irelsnds good fortune. So it's completely different...understand? Pollard on and you lose that game and everyone who watched it knows it...that's why the Irish bookies still don't have Ireland as favorites over boks to win, even after that result. Because they know that. NZ also have a good lineout FYI. Bye bye in the quarters again for Ireland, watch and see.
@@splorticussuii3303dim? At least one of those early line outs manifested from Faf brain farts. Why on earth did he throw long passes to the wing in his own 22 within the first few minutes? He would have been absolutely belted for that!
South Africa completely nullified everything Ireland do. The game was their for them to win, they just didn’t take it. I still think SA are favourites. They’re better defensively, and in that game they did more on attack.
Did you watch the match:)?
@@Coreylahey1000 yes, South Africa made more metres, more line breaks, clean breaks, defenders beaten, gainline success, lineouts, scrums, tackle success. The only area Ireland dominated were turnovers and kicking for poles, and that was the difference.
@@jameswyatt4443, Ireland don't kick the Poles the Poles always do that to themselves. You guys want to start another war?
Saffa fan here....Irish just look so bloody polished and sharp and have great energy in their team spirit. Celebrate every game moment like they just won the six nations. They remind me of the 2011/2015 All Blacks, unapologetic in the breakdown competition, very complex attacking structure and great defense.
However, if SA kick those 11 points then they might have won it. It shows how important a reliable test level kicker is. Also, Ireland have beaten SA both times, while Pollard did not play. If the Rugby gods are willing, we might see an Ireland/SA final where Pollard is indeed the starting 10.
Ireland have had the last two games, by less then 7 every time. Ireland have edged it but the two teams are very close.
I think run through NZ unless something goes horribly wrong. SA have a much easier French side to face without Dupont or Ntamack, but the French are still an amazing team but not as good as Ireland I think.
SA pushed them to the limit. Would love to see a rematch in the final.
I hope they play Libbok at 10 and Pollard at 12. Manie is brilliant as a playmaker and pollard is a brilliant kicker.
Ireland is writing France off way too early. We'll remember that when we face in the final (if Ireland get out of the quarters)
Who held more back in that game?
I am a bit one eyed as a bok fan of course, but a couple of really weird things I noticed. The boks did not maul until the 70th minute, and they showed absolutely nothing in the backs. Additionally Marx provides the balance to the bigger ball carrying loosies, and I doubt we will see bongi, siya and wiese together again. Ireland really exposed this in the first half.
The first point is the most obvious, but South Africa have massively developed their back play over the last 18 months, and I saw none of it. Almost as if to not give Ireland the chance to see anything before the final.
Ireland also seemed to also be holding a couple of things back, but likely not as much given the relatively higher importance of the game for them.
With my again somewhat biased slant, SA have much more room to improve, or have a lot more in the tank to give, which I believe makes me still fairly confident that they are favorites to win the cup. On the flip side Ireland are producing consistently so onus is on boks.
France are probably the team right now that are the most underperforming vs their potential, and the boks are not the team you want to come in undercooked physically to, which is pretty unfortunate timing for them.
Well said .... boks normally change their game plan in second half if it did not work first half....ie more up and under kicks and going for the corner... and we passed the ball out wide taking it away from our dominant pack with 7-1 bench. High risk game from Rassie but what do you expect 🤓
@@eugeneduplessis140 100%
Rassie was still experimenting and I believe it is because he would rather face Ireland in a final than France...if we beat Ireland, they would have had to play France having their confidence massively knocked...France would almost certainly win. Then we'd have to play the home nation in the Final, which no-one ever wants to do- much better to face them in the quarters...and then Ireland feels like a walk in the park in the final in comparison... Will wait and see.
Even with the Bok’s making some mistakes Ireland backs clearly came in on the side of the last line out ball to collapse it when we were going for the line. This was in front of the ref and should have been a penalty try under the posts for a Bok win. And why is nobody talking about the super grip being applied when water ball or medical staff coming on. Only water may be brought on. Sextant was down with cramps and medical team on the field slipped him a tiny bottle of cramps eaze. Again this is on par with doping as no meds allowed on the field. If you get caught doping what happens in other sports. It was a tough day in the office but poor officiating will be what this World Cup is remembered for.
@@brawlingmac4682 o’Keefe was fair, we didn’t adjust to him is all. I could go sour grapes, but Ireland won 4 or more penalties from holding in the tackler, but we could have, but didn’t do the same.
Like I said, Ireland played more of their hand than the boks did, and rassie will be working to nullify should they meet again. This includes working with the refs.
If Ireland did “cheat” then it will be noted and brought up, and it will be something they cannot do should they need to next time
Boks are cooking up something special
Honestly if we look at the WC logical and not with our hearts, it is clear to say that Ireland has got the best chance to win the WC, I am a springbok die heart supporter don't get me wrong, but like I said logically, we know the AB are a wounded team and not playing there best Rugby in a minute, don't write off but we all can see they are wounded, the springboks have to play France, a week ago I would have been worried but we all know there star is injured and out, he was there glue like the comment or not, without them they are wounded, but it is a home WC for France, so they will give there best, so the Boks - France game is a 50 50 affair, say the French win, the Irish Team have won against all the team's in the QF in the last 14 months, hence Ireland is sitting at the best position possibly to win the WC
Good balanced review based on facts.
The best chance SA had to beat Ireland was in the last game...SA were on a roll after slaughtering the ABs and they threw everything at Ireland in that game.
Any other team in the world would have capitulated against the pressure SA put on in the 2nd half...but Ireland held firm.
The turnover on their own line in the last minute of the game was the epitome of what Ireland are all about. You know SA would have gone over against anyone else.
I have to agree that the Boks must first win France and England negative rugby of dropkicks from 50 meter line is going to made it difficult for any team on that side of the draw to win.
@@JohnMichaels-fs7bi but I also feel the springboks fancy there chances more against France then the AB team, you can be assure the AB team will come out guns blazing to redeem themselves for the poor performance, I feel it won't be enough to beat Ireland but we wanna get a hold of the Frence, we have a score to settle with them
Bernard Jackman knows ball
Congrats Lads. Well deserved. Barnard you a intelligent man. You understand what really happened last week. Any team facing France in the knockout stages is not going to win easier. I have noted France gets the benefits from the refs on home soil. This is against any team. South Africa or any other team they will face have to win them convincingly. Good luck to any team facing France in the knockout stages.
I appear to have turned up far too late to join the chat. But crikey, absolutely no consideration about Ireland having to face the All Blacks in 1/4 finals is probably the biggest lesson to learn about pride coming before a fall.
Best game of the world cup so far. SA experimented with a few things, running the ball back, timing of replacements, long range kicks. And SA still could have won it. I think both teams will be happy with their ability to play knockout rugby at the highest level - steel sharpens steel. And both teams have their homework, lineout for Ireland, kicking for SA. Ref kept the game going, consistent on the scrum penalties and didn't stop to look at every ruck cleanout. Both teams were incredibly accurate with keeping their tackles low and anyone who still claims that high shots are inevitable needs to watch this game again. The quarters on this side of the draw are going to be epic.
Nothing wrong with Ireland teams physicality, they more physical than any other team, Porter now surely the No.1 loosehead in world rugby, Even thou the game was HARD & PHYSICAL I don't think Ireland or Boks showed all the tricks or planned moves and I agree something is brewing.
Talking about the QFs before we even play Scotland! Rein it in there lads!!!
Absolutely agree.
Totally agree!
Do all other teams competing select their players according to religion, language, nationality, skin colour or ball skills ?
A lot of rugby still left until the Quarter Finals...there are still 4 Teams who could Win the Tournament, anything is possible...still too close to call - the Real Competition starts at the Knock-Out rounds where the requirement is to win 3 games in a row getting the job done 1 game at a time. Ireland will have the most pressure on them ever as a team being Ranked 1, so will France as being the host nation. South Africa & NZ flying just under the radar who has been there before will certainly fancy their chances of causing an upset. But it could be said that South Africa edges ahead if they were to reach the Final purely based on historical events and in the way that they can or would play in a final .
Let's face it, acording to Irelands pundits they think there already in the final, and talking in those term's, well you have the best teams in the world to play first. Don't forget they have to get past the quarter finals first, I wish them all the best, but let's not get to far ahead of yourselves!!!
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Youd swear Pollard is the best fly half in the world with a 99% kick rate the way people are banging on about him. Hes a very good but not great player.
Faff would have kicked those half way line kicks even with Pollard in the team and Libbok gives them so much more in attack. Theres so much basic analysis out there.
I’ll be honest. I’d rather face France in the quarters than NZ. I mean the All Blacks always show up once the knockout stage starts because the people expect them to win every time. I mean this is a country that made their passports the same colour as the rugby kit! It’s gonna be a tough test for the Irish assuming they get by Scotland. The reward for winning the group is playing a side where rugby is basically a religion!
I would rather have NZ than France. Why?
1) France are the home team. 80, 000 French supporters outnumbering the Irish would place us at a disadvantage. The game against NZ will actually be like a home game for Ireland
2) NZ are haunted by their defeats to Ireland, while Ireland know and believe they have the measure of the All Blacks. Ireland are ahead of NZ still. Ireland have a terrible record against France in Paris, but have proven they can beat NZ anywhere.
3) Antoine Dupont is back.
4) All the pressure is on the All Blacks. They know we want them. Even though we have never won a quarter final, we want the NZ over France.
Comments gone very negative in last week or 2 calm down lads try be nicer to each other 😂
Id rather play france in the final, providing we beat the ab in the quarters of course!
The Dupont question is fascinating, he broke/fractured his jaw and we/they focusing only on the fracture, but not the impact that caused the fracture, surely that level of impact would have him out for a few weeks after a HIA test? Irrespective if he can play with a fracture
DUPONT WILL PLAY WITH A MASK AS PROTECTION , FIBREGLASS MASK. The latest theory, according to reports in France, is that Dupont may wear a mask for the quarter-final in Paris. It has been reported that he is meeting a specialist who will try to design a bespoke piece of protective equipment for him.
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Eh, dont like how everyone is overlooking Scotland. We arnt even out of the pool yet and talking about winning the whole thing 😂
What about the ABs? They wont be a walkover,
yes they will
Nobody talking about the AB , unbelievable .
There average that's why
The next game is Scotland, not NZ. What are you doing here?? 😂😂
@@lillad4922we’ll see. 😂
@@washerdryer3466it's a comment section that's what he's doing here,
@@morrisanderson818 It's an Irish podcast talking about Ireland- I guess neither of you are the Brains of the NZ operation...🤣🤣
Haha ABs gonna smash Oirlant in the 1/4s.
Saffa didn't wanna beat Ireland, hence not kicking their 1st string side.
Lol don't book those semi final tickets yet chaps
With all the other major injuries - things seem to be aligning for Ireland.
Every Pundit on tv is saying France is the worst team South Africa can play that if SA want to play physical that suits France down to the ground france have the heavier scrum .
Lets not turn into the English.........we have yet to play Scotland and possibly New Zealand. We could well be going home at QF again. All this nonsense talk of a final shows a lack of respect for those sides.
Mate, take it from a SAFFA, Scotland were never going to make it out of the pool, despite all their fighting talk.
any of the 2 I think boks slightly
Its time too let others worry about us Ireland are Ireland we are doing what we are capable of believe ❤
This conversation should be had after the pool 1st and 2nd are decided.
BJ predicted the QF very well!
Go Scotland! Make the arrogant eat humble pie. France is behind you.
The Bok fans were arrogant for 2 weeks then got humbled be quite
@@IrishPride7 Well we going to get our forth world cup win
Much has been said about SA having the 7-1 split but going for 50m kicks instead of corner and maul, was this a red herring to mislead other teams, SA made kicking mistakes and tactical errors, think it would be different in a rematch, Libbok kicked to 5m from halfway to set up potential winning maul.
Remember the boks lost to All blacks in the 2019 world cup and were crowned Champions,i see the same happening here in 2023
Boks didn't even attempt any drop goals and Willemse is really good at those. Boks were holding back. 😅 Much respect to Ireland, but do not make the mistake of looking too far. New Zealand in the last world cup beat us in a group game and they were knocked out. England felt they had won the world cup after beating New Zealand. Take it one game at a time.
Be quiet and be respectful yourself.
Boks been holding back now against Ireland for 3 games in a row. 😂
@@Patch801only the previous two games are relevant. And in both the reason for the losses were identical- no kicker.
@@bbmcarstypical selective rules made up by? Ireland played the defence pressure game SA wanted and won. Scotland are currently licking their lips with conspiracy rassie influenced ideas. But Scotland are going in the right direction but we are too smart. 16 in a row. The only true fan is looking at getting the 17th!
@@bbmcars yeah I guess that third game where Ireland smashed ya's 38-3, totally irrelevant. Sure it was only 35 points, just a tiny little 7 points margin more than your record win over the 50 minute 14 man All Blacks, which is also totally irrelevant./s 🤣
So only Ireland or Sa are likely to win the World Cup. Wouldn’t it be hilarious to have France knocking out SA and NZ getting Ireland out. Some people would eat humble pie.
Who is going to win, asked by the Irish to the Irish 🤔😄
It’s as well nobody said what you think they said. They just asked who of the two is better placed after the game to do it, not that nobody else will.
Yes you are right gchlem 😂These guys said the same thing with Leinster vs La Rochelle
france have no chance lol
My feeling is that the winner will be from this four
Serin is a great idea
Can only bring him in if AdP or another player has to leave due to injury; and then that guy cannot come back.
Ireland deserve to win. The question is did rassie make a mistake or part of the game plan. The boks played running rugby and when the camera when to jacq and rassie face, they smile two minute before the kick off.
Yes i agree it's part of there game plan , and to much about meeting nz if Scotland bet Ireland by a lot it would be lucky if Ireland not going home, i do hope we get to Q put a long time yet, and next team is waiting for us, and then we'll see what happens, to early and i fancy Wales to be a surprise ,
I feel from playing sport to watching sport if you haven't played in certain levels you can never see yourself as favourite yet Ireland & france think on form they favourite 😅
i don't think french fans are that confident....We've seen France lose in the final 3 times soooo.....
Boks has the kitchen sink left. Brace fir the final boys
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
New zealand vs boks final
Honestly guys, SA was the better side. The issue was their kicking, Ireland won't make it to the semi finals. Let the games begin
South africa was the better side that lost, utterly delusional. The scoreboard is what matters when the 80 is up, and you came second lad. Suck it up
I dont know how he did it but Rassie played this perfectly.
He didn't do it, you lost son
@@joedennehy386 English not your first language.
I just hope we French beat the Saffas only to come back here and see Jackman's and co reaction. Saying FRA is a one man's team is quite disrespectful. Calling back Serin won't happen, ever. Couilloud would start then Lucu to take over. Also because of that, i'll get right behind Scotland and Wales and support them with all my heart. Same with Fidji.
NZ beat SA in NZ, so NZ would be favourites, SA beat NZ at Twickenham, so they are favourites, France beat NZ in France, so France are favourites, Ireland beat SA in France so maybe they are favourites, maybe the losing team on each occasion was holding something back, maybe SA held the ball in the ruck at 80 minutes in order to play France in the quarters, or is it just that there are so many variables that any of the top 4 could beat the others on their day.
For the 'experts'. Ireland will fall to New Zealand. SA will beat France. Final? New Zealand vs SA. Winner? SA. Capeesh!
South Africa 🇿🇦 🇿🇦 🇿🇦 🇿🇦
great assessment re boks vs France........there is no way France wanted to play the boks...Ireland much more suites their playing style....Ireland SA was such a close game, much closer than the score board....11 easy points left out due to poor kicking...if Pollard's entrance changes that, very different game. Regardless, the boks will beat France and meet Ireland in the final which would be the saving grace for a pretty overall poor world cup so far.
Sorry this will not happen south Africa is the team that no one will match now
To some of the Irish Fans, be respectful and graceious in victory. As England, you will have your win and only the "Remember when we.." to talk about. Look where you come from where you are now, the journey to where you going is much harder. You have to look at what both teams gave on the pitch, and who has more to put into being better the next meeting?
I don't think you appreciate how shit Ireland were and for how long.
We're complete eejits for making a place on the mantle for the cup already but let us dream.
well? no no no not true.but enjoy the moment while it last.👍
Boks just don't lose finals and will have finals experience - won't mind Ireland winning, though.
😂 lets have many people in the Irish crowd bring some traffic lights.
Ireland needs to focus on exiting the group and the quarterfinal’s first before they talk about winning the World Cup. Plus it’s presumptuous to think they’re just going to run over Scotland.
Irish fans celebrating like they just won the cup, is kinda' funny. (That's not taking anything away from Ireland's performance.) Apart from the fact that we left *at least* 8 points (in reality more, but let's keep it conservative) on the field, Ireland played their best possible team. The Boks did not. If (because the ABs could pull a rabbit out of the hat, unlikely, but possible) they were to face us in the final, it will be a whole different ballgame. The Irish fans can scoff at this comment as much as they like (and attempt their go-to "oh ye so salty" insults), but it's the truth. Also note as an observation, not once in this comment did I insult anyone, but I do not expect the same in return. I really like this Irish team, BTW.
EDIT: I'm still extremely confident that the Boks will take the cup. It will be tough, but they'll do it with Pollard's help, of course.
EDIT 2: Commented before watching the clip. After clip: Berch sees it too.
"the truth" The only actual truth is, you lost again against Ireland. Everything else is blah blah blah. Be thankful you dont have to play the ABs. Wish we didnt have to 😂
@@Patch801,
I don't believe I said anywhere in my comment that Ireland lost this pool match...🤷♂
@@Keizer_Soze can you read? Did I mention you said we lost? Think not, I simply referred to your "truth", you said Ireland played there best team and the boks didnt and it would be different if we meet again, (paraphrasing here) and that this was the "truth", thats not truth, thats a future prediction. I gave you the "actual truth" not a prediction.
@@Patch801,
Did Ireland play their best possible team? (available at this world cup)
@@Keizer_Soze 🥱
Very convenient that RSA don't have to play NZ in the quarter. I've never seen RSA miss so many kicks at goal. Like never. It just doesn't happen. Very convenient.
November last?
You obviously haven’t seen Lubok take frees before,
You should have seen South Africa missing kicks in Dublin last November.
People forget SA have won 3 WC they know how to win big games. There is still alot of rugby to be played..one big injury to irish
How do people forget that? Ye keep reminding us.
Let's not forget Ireland would've lost that game if we kicked half of our kicks. Same as the last time we played
And Ireland would have scored more try’s if they won their first 5 line outs, you will also be aware faff scores 38% of penalties from his own half, he scored a try off one of his penalty’s and if he scored it you may not have got a bonus point. Coulda woulda shoulda . You would also do well to remember Ireland have beaten SA in the last 3 tests so this is not good luck bad luck its just the best team on those days WON….😅
@@davidwalker2402 both days was lost with our actual kicks at goal. Not potentially scoring off a line out. Very big difference there fellow. But good luck to you. Hope we get to smash you in the final.
Clown.
Well are the bokke going to use that excuse evertime they lose. We don't we get a kicker and then see.
If both teams kicked at goal all their makable penalties and made them, Ireland would have won 26-19. If South Africa could kick more successfully the dynamic would be different and therefore Ireland may have also kicked so its a mute point and wishful thinking.
Wow wow wow, am I the only one shocked by the title of this video? Like shocked. I mean, I hate to break it to these misinformed Irish pundits and greater Irish ☘️ people, but Ireland 🇮🇪 have NEVER EVER went past RWC QFs, and to talk about winning the RWC title above ABs and Boks is “Cocky” and misinformed. ABs and Boks are the RWC playoffs teams, they find a way to win. That weekend win made some Irish pundits and fans’s head too damn big. That was not thee game, I don’t think that even matters to the Boks now, they got what they needed out of that game and on to the real RWC playoffs games and gear up another level,so are the ABs.
Saffa here. The Boks lose a lot at the breakdown without Marx and Vermuelen. They cant win the RWC without sorting out their play in the tight-loose. Why was there no mauling?
French vs boks is going to be massive. Home territory advantage, and boks without marx
I mean France wont have Dupont which is a bigger loss than Marx.
@@loganwilliams7635 Yes, huge, same as marx.Maybe dupont will be ok?
This aged like milk😂😂😂
It ceratinly did 🤣🤣. Talk about counting your chickens... and to completely not even mention NZ. Hope they've eaten a huge huge slice of humble pie!
Are Ireland in the finals already!? Wowsers. 😅
Well done to Irland for winning their rugby world cup in the group stage... SA will win the REAL world Cup 😊 Boks will laugh last..enjoy the Group Stage World Cup win. Enjoy your bragging rites..for now! 😂
The final will be contested between the two greatest sides in the history of the game...
Springboks vs All Blacks.
So why are you trolling on this channel?
Bitter, salty, insecure, worried?
It's OK go back to bed sweetie,😂😂😂
Proper north vs South among tear 1 nations🔥🙌🏾 ....the South has been battered in the world cup this far.🤦🏾
We'll see in the QF
Yhey must not like Dupont if they play him against the boks wth that injury,if gor dome reason his hit ion the same podition,the guy could be fractured for life knowing the boks physicality.
don't know what it is about Irish media when it comes to rugby. We won a big pool game and now we are going to be in a final. I'm sure Scotland are licking their lips. I'm glad the Irish team don't operate this way but some fans and many in the media are getting insufferable
The “Number 1” tag will do that. I fear for Ireland that heartbreak is just around the corner.
I am in complete agreement with you, and as a welsh fan I am quietly thrilled that a potential semi final against us (provided that Wales, and indeed Ireland get there) is being dismissed as a formality.
In the past much has been made of the hostility of the Wales v Ireland rivalry, I dont buy into it myself and have spent many match days in Dublin and Cardiff and indeed in Bordeaux a couple of weekends ago enjoying the pre and post match craic with Irish Fans...But,
it has to be said, that some elements of the Irish rugby media are the most arrogant, one eyed and entitled pundits that you will hear anywhere.
Before the tournament even started, Shane Horgan was on Radio 5 in the UK talking about the Sexton ban and said - "It won't be necessary for Johnny to play in all seven games at the world cup" So reaching the final was a cert before a ball had been passed!
The current Ireland team are a force to be reckoned with, clear in their intent, technically astute at set piece, hugely efficient at breakdowns, abrasive in the pack, skilfull throughout the backline, brilliantly coached... in fact they have all the attributes of a world cup winning team, but by god if they do manage it, the "off the ball" crew as well as the Kearneys, Quinlans and Jackmans of the world will be utterly unbearable.
I'm sure the Irish team and management haven't booked the semi final spot as quickly as these pundits. Great win but nothing given come knock out
Eh .......... have I missed something? Do Ireland still not have a game to play or are they getting a bye into the quarter final? Comments are very disrespectful to Scotland.
This stuff about South Africa missing 11 points from shots on goal is utter nonsense. 2 of those kicks were from inside THEIR OWN HALF. They are not gimmes or even likely points - we don't even have a kicker who could attempt those. Besides you got a try indirectly after Faff hit the post (we never got out of our 23) - 5 points instead of 3. We've beaten South Africa 8 times in our last 12 games. It's nothing new for us. We also could kicked 2 penalties instead of going to corner in first 20 minutes but didnt.
Getting more scared about NZ the more time goes by. I hope we get France tbh.
Hope for an even bigger upset and you might get italy XD
Nó kicker was a massive error
Losing 5 lineouts was a major error.
@@RazorMouthMost teams lose Lineouts to the Springboks.
Scotland to beat Ireland. can’t wait for two weeks. 3 years since the draw was made. this is the game i knew Ireland would lose😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ireland cannot feel safe until they have beaten the Boks with a kicker that can kick. The Bok pattern is to create initial scoreboard pressure with penalties and once the opposition is beaten , they go wide. Libbok played Pollard into the Bok team with his bad kicking and shoddy defence
Pollard kicking only at 75%
Fair enough I guess but what can Ireland do about that we can't take the kicks for them I'd add taking kicks at goal in your own half is no sure thing.
@@antonphelan964 .. grasping at straws again mate?? He is a kicker with BMT-which Libbok clearly lacks. He missed 1kick in the 2019 WC final .. didn’t miss any in the semi … and even at 75% he would have done a WHOLE lot better than Libbok and would have helped create that pressure the Boks did not manage to do without his more than reliable boot.
Would Pollard be able to get the SA backline moving?
Libbock beat Scotland without kicking a point.
Drop Libbock and you have a whole different tactical plan...
@@michaelodonnell824 absolutely…he has done so in the past. He is not your classic kicking 10 either… he loves attacking the gainline …and he has won a WC and beaten the Lions. We did not need a kicker to beat the Scots..we needed one (twice now) to beat Ireland
We must not forget lose to Scotland and we are out unless we get 2 bonus points then we can go ahead
This was the final for Ireland. It was not the final for the boks
Boks just need a kicker.
And a proper replacement hooker. And a coach who plays to our strengths instead of forcing Hail Mary kicks from FransSteynLand.
Let’s just get real here lads… anyone of these 2 team can win this. Saying anything else is ludicrous…. They are both amazing and worthy to win it. South Africa has some advantage if they get to the final. They will go ape-shit to rip the Irish apart and they have the big match temperament…
Believe me S A will win it's 100 percent