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- 01:15 - What does a High Performance department do in rugby?
09:40 - How to identify talent and not miss late bloomers
15:32 - How rule alterations have sped up Super Rugby and their effect on the All Blacks
23:04 - Understanding which stats are relevant in rugby’s evolution
25:40 - Should the replacement rules change, which could depower the bomb squad?
30:20 - What can rugby learn from football and American sports?
35:23 - Blues v Canes - who will win the top of the table clash and why?
42:42 - Is Xavier Numia an All Blacks contender?
44:15 - Does Tyrell Lomax deserve more credit for Canes’ success
45:25 - Will the Brumbies qualify top for the playoffs?
51:40 - Tipping
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I am confused, were the quarter finals not the greatest set of games in WC history? Were people bored?
Similar to with the MSM. Maintain a false narrative and never engage. Simple strategy really.
The springboks are the worlds best. Hard to say as a kiwi but they are the standard for the next 4 years
I'm sorry they are not.
@@oliverleigh9854the whole world knows they are😅😅😅
The springboks are second best way behind the abs. In fact since neutral referees came in the Abs beat South Africa nearly 3 out of 4. Check test results son.
@@joedennehy386South Africa has won 5 of the last 7 matches against New Zealand,what are you talking about?
You are just as good as your last performance..and we have won the last out of 6games against the All black's including the TWICKENHAM game (RECORD LOST) no one wants to talk about in NZ😂
How is it more entertaining when all the teams play the exact same way? What makes a sport entertaining is the clash of different strengths and weaknesses. That’s what creates variety. Now the NZ rugby union doesn’t like variety, they like everything to be “NZ wins, then everything else follows”
💯. That sounds like a kind of ownership of sorts 🤔
You have a point. There is no way anybody is going to tell me the NFL has more ball in play time than rugby. A sixty minute game takes more than three hours to complete and their stadiums are always packed. All the NFL teams run on basically the same budget for players, they also have a national draft system which spreads the talent equally across the teams. That makes teams much more equal. The NFL holds all the sponsors and they contribute the money equally to each team. The result is a league where almost any team can win any other team. All the games are competitive and unpredictable to a large extent. In 57 years 20 different teams have won the Super Bowl and the two teams with the most Super Bowl wins only have six wins. Make the sport more competitive and people will watch.
Super Rugby is boring because the results are so predictable. It is not exciting if you more or less know who is going to play in the finals or win the comp after four rounds?
The URC is so much more fun because nothing gets decided before the final round of the league phase is done. In the first two URC seasons the side finishing top of the log have not even been able to make the final. That is what makes a competition exciting and get people to watch and follow the league.
How do you go and change the rules of a whole sport code, because of one team being to smart/strong in certain areas of the game..mind bothering
21:28 Damien Willemse's mark and setting scrums in your own 22. If a NZ player did that it would be considered smart/intelligence/well thought out and he would have got a pat on the back and it was a counter attack. Who are you guys to say the crowd does not want to see that? Which crowd? In NZ? It ended up in a try to the Boks and their supporters obviously did like seeing that. Ridiculous self serving comments - they used the laws correctly - France's stupidity for doing that. We should not be telling other teams how they should be playing - the variance is what makes sport special.
25:30 There was never a call for a fatigue element or injury risks when Lomu breezed past everyone was there which suggests some teams don't complain when they benefit do they? There was even a tongue in cheek Pizza Hut commercial on how Lomu bullied Rory Underwood. This world cup was incredibly joyable to watch and had arguably some of the best matches ever. The bigger the athletes get the more there may be stoppages between moves which means which means overall play time may be longer but the speed itself in play may be better.
I seriously have to ask if these laws would even be considered if another team won the Rugby World Cup - not necessarily NZ - just not South Africa. You guys keep going on about what the fans want but if South Africa has more fans than you have and its growing and they want a bomb squad have you not just got outvoted and are you now not contradicting yourselves? Perhaps you should just be honest and say its what you want to see so your team can win and don't try use global or local fans as a scapegoat. There are no real stats on what fans want are there?
I am not whining here nor am I ranting nor angry - I would just like to see some self reflecting honesty by pundits rather than trying to justify the changes through third party demand who have never even been surveyed. That is just smoke and mirrors stuff. Intelligent people see through that.
To be fair on the Willemse call for a scrum, that was more of a dig on the Dupont law and he actually said it was a good innovation to counter the fact that players don’t have to get onside after kick. I agree with him here in that if there wasn’t that law, I guarantee we would have run that ball back which would have been a much better and lower risk option and does encourage more counter attacking (which SA is actually very good at doing).
I do agree that we shouldn’t be changing anything drastically though. The last World Cup was the best rugby we have ever seen IMO so no need to fix what isn’t broken.
The talk about changing replacement numbers etc is just pure nonsense and derives from an ignorance of the impacts of subs on injuries as well as on the quality of the game. The quality of games and injuries have improved immensely with more subs.
@@notenoughstones3873 Good point. I somehow think this may be scripted to a degree to get views. Its almost as if he was uncomfortable following the script looking at his body language and hearing his nervous laugh.
But even so, even if it was aimed at France he should have rather mentioned DuPont but realitstically none of us should be telling each other what our style of play should be.
The Proteas have played the Black Caps in cricket and the Black Caps have put on great performances and have always been competitive. The Black caps have generally had very good seamers and the Proteas out and out pace. You don't really see us saying the Black Caps need to bowl faster to speed the game up or India should not use spinners - especially open with them because its not what or fans want to see. Their styles are their styles and we need to respect that - even Steve Smith's weird habits when he bats.
There is nothing stopping any rugby or sports team from playing their style and giving their fans what they want to see while another plays theirs so this whole argument baffles me. Especially when NZ lost to a record mrgin recently - maybe their style is not working?
For the record I like this show and these presenters. The comments in this particular show to me took some unnecessary swipes though and NZ should really focus on perfecting their own style of play and let others have theirs.
Yeah pundits not seeing the ingenuity
Well said. Look how much NZ is complaining since their twicks "bomb squad" loss. The REAL facts are that we have world class front 3 replacements AND loosies AND locks which simply says we have better players than you guys. Since then they have never admitted they were outplayed by BETTER players.
I can't understand why the "bomb squad" is regarded as some South African secret sauce.
ALL TEAMS have a replacement front row. The problem is they don't have 2 x world-class front rows.
How do you de-power it if both sides are replacing all 3?
The 7-1 is not a BOMB SQUAD deal, it's a massive risk that the Boks could use thanks to the cross-over ability of 4 or 5 players.
6-2 is a small risk.
5-3 was used on the QF and SF of RWC.
Well said !! Having two world class front rows, AND loosies AND locks is the real complete problem everybody has.
The Boks are blessed with that talent which has given them the 'extra hands that lacks in other teams. V.sad to think that law changes may be concocted so as to dilute their strength. 😢
You are spot on. Evern the idea that the Springboks have this massive pack is not always true. The French had a heavier pack than the Springboks in the quarterfinals, and the All Blacks matched the Springbok pack in weight in the final.
We might not be the best according NZ fans, but we won them plus the other 3besyt teams during WC
@@garywalsh6304this move of world rugby to change the rules, will go down in history as a big compliment to how mighty strong this team has become.this compliment this team much more when looking back on the rules one day❤❤❤
Podcaat only used that headline to get South African viewers. Without SA viewers, this show and most rugby in the antipodeans is null and void. Well played Ross and Co
Such arrogance, rugby is the only thing that works in South Africa, but its becoming Zimbabwe part 2, you have players spread around the world, and that's the last rwc you wil win. The country is stuffed unfortunately . You can't even keep the power on, corruption will end your nation. I would love to be wrong
@@joedennehy386👀😅😂🚶♀️chill mate...
Sounds like WR trying to outlaw the Springboks. Not realizing it'll hurt their teams more.
Rubbish, world rugby bends over backwards for bokke. They stayed ranked number one in early covid days when they refused to leave covid ravaged south africa, to nearly covid free Australia, which was ridiculous
@joedennehy386 how does travel restrictions based on a global deadly pandemic got to do with changes in how the actual game is played, you're comparing apples to a stone? Do you want to try again or you're blinded by your envy of the Boks success?
The arrogance of NZ pundits is ridiculous. Changing the game to suit there needs. Who says the Rugby World wants to see that . Each Rugby Nation has their own unique strengths and weaknesses and that what makes test rugby what it is. This ridiculous notion that "we"want to see teams counter-attack, what if a team does't want to. So we want to change rules so that it suits NZ teams an All Blacks.
“Their needs” bro there’s a difference. (There and their)
You seem to want to change the way things are spelt. How arrogant to think you can do that!
And I bet you'd rather a draw than golden point
Not sure i see that.
@@slapsolutelyYes, there's nothing wrong with 2 teams going at it and it ending in a draw. Unless it's KO rugby of course.
Not everything has to be forced into this "Dopamine high" box of being constantly exciting.
The game slows down often. Allows opposition time to reset. Wasn't like that all the time.
Bit of a tough listen. The most baffling part was when ross brought up in the world cup when justin marshall was confused while explaining the springboks scrum in own 22 tactic. And then he said how if it confuses the expert commentator how are the fans supposed to enjoy it. Thats a wild statement. It's literally the job of the expert commentator to get the fans excited for the strategy and the decision. The issues with fans here in nz may be wanting the game to be different all comes down to presentation. Why on earth would i care about the game when the commentators and pundits are telling me that what im watching is bad and it should be more like the nrl instead. Cool story, imma just watch nrl instead then. Honestly baffling. Theres a reason why club rugby is becomming more and more succseful in europe and even japan. They present it like a big deal and cant miss. I tune into super rugby videos and all i hear is how the game needs to change.
That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking RE the game in Nz. The presenters in other countries are excited and help build genuine interest and passion. A lot of the Nz presentations are negative/hate on fundamental parts of the game like the scrum/constantly criticise oppositions approach to the game etc.
Def not referring to the guys on this show - moreso people like Wilson/JK or Israel Dagg basically having a tantrum during the WC final.
Right on the money! Watching the world cup final in NZ was horrible because of how much the presenters were complaining about the ref etc. It was an amazing game with high tension, I don't care if they think the calls were bad, they are there to sell the product, not make the fan feel bad about it! This is an entertainment business and the product includes the pundits. It's like going to watch a movie but there is an intermission halfway through with a panel telling you how awful the movie has been so far.
Edit: I agree that the Dupont rule change was a great idea though, just chiming in on the problem of complaining pundits - I think this show does a great job in general making the game feel more interesting and exciting
@Jo3M Yeah, I don't want to knock on these guys specifically, as I do genuinely really enjoy this show as oftentimes you can feel the passion from the main 3 guys.
100%
spot. on.
It's almost like they intentionally try to trigger SA fans for engagement, almost exactly like that👀
When you are asking for change to help you, and you say its what the global fans want (but the SA fans can out vote yours) and you have never surveyed anyone and you battle with eye contact and laugh nervously its both disappointing and sad to see to be honest. You're not trying to trigger anyone - you've gone down a very disappointing rabbit hole instead of admitting you need to find a way to counter some good front rows and just be brutally honest about your shortcoming and this is aimed at several teams by the way.
When Lomu was around everyone including us South Africans admired him. But whenever South Africans achieve excellence somehow they are breaking some rules, ruining the game somehow or even cheating. Seriously some people just need to take a chil pill and learn to aim higher. When Lomu was around South Africa just tackled him. Instead of running to World Rugby and asking for law changes, if Bill Beaumont had any common sense and was truly unbiased he would say "Stop wasting our time and go learn to scrum better."
@@bunnychowmuncher
exactly this
Yeah they need the clicks and views. They can't make money without us so they have to trigger the Saffers or show content we want to watch. Not just this channel
We need to change the rule. The Boks is to strong for us. Wow...
Yup SA fans probably contribute to like
40% of the total viewership
The Eurpean leagues are seeing record viewerships, the last WC saw record viewerships. What are these guys talking about?
The reason Willemse called for the scrum in the 22 was so that the French forwards would become more fatigued.
These ‘ideas’ wouldn’t have been a issue had NZ won the World Cup. Here we are.
"Dr Erasmus" saying "we know what they don"t know" explains everything.
From SA,thank you as always for a great program. Have the greatest respect for AB rugby and the rugby history between the two teams. Please correct me if I'm wrong but what I'm hearing is that it is all about how NZ want to see the game be played I'm just hearing "we,we want to...... Is your plan to negate other international teams strong points and force your style of play on the rest to the NZ advantage? Can't wait for the next game between NZ and SA.
Yes that was my beef this week too. Love the Kiwis don't get me wrong but as I said in a few replies here - none of the fans have even been surveyed so who knows that they want and their survey results will all favour what helps their own team so I find this whole thing to be smoke and mirrors.
Well that's always the great conspiracy theory whenever NZ, or even the SH teams as a whole talk about how they'd 'like' to see a more entertaining product. It doesn't ultimately make any difference to how teams play to their strengths, this is mainly about more ball in play so how is that bad? And less fluffing about with injuries, and some nations are better at 'injuries' than others, and TMO's so games don't take two hours to finish. The basic DNA of International teams won't change and never has. NZ, Aus and France always tend to play fast and expansive, other teams prefer brute force. Doesn't matter what rules a nation would like to see, the basic game is still the same and it doesn't happen overnight just because one nation might want it, because it usually doesn't. So yeah, the tin-foil hat stuff is always predictable and a bit laughable.
@@jacobh1867 NZ has always been free to play the game they want in a 90 min window. Why don't they? Nothing is stopping them.
Rules have changed a lot in the last 8 years and the boks won both ...So they've proven they can adapt..
Scrums and mauls are still “ball in play”
I wonder what world rugby will do if they make all these changes to the rules and the Springboks win the next world cup again😂
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what laws they want to implement. Boks will always find a way to use it to their advantage, and play the game they want to play, to their strengths. Then everyone will cry "that's not the way that's supposed to happen!"
"WE" - Is NZ in charge of rugby?
"For us..."
This is a NZ rugby show!
@salomiodendaal4473 Chatting about changing WORLD rugby laws..
When I was young, before Super Rugby existed, NPC games would pack out easily. These games were hugely popular and they included All Blacks. This was before professionalism. We loved watching our local team, with players from our own region, play rival regions. Maybe Super Rugby in general is the problem? Maybe the fans are just not that connected to our Super Rugby clubs like we were to our provincial unions?
The fans aren't connected because they don't get to watch the games. You have to have a sky subscription to watch the games. Kids growing up are watching League because it's free to air. Union is behind a paywall. Stupidest decision Union ever made.
@@JJaeser Yes and no, TV coverage is also hugely better than it once was and large TVs very price accessible. As an actual rugby fan I'd rather the better quality watching the game on TV. I go with mates to games a couple of times a year, not for the rugby but for social atmosphere.
Yup, sadly the NZR have treated provincial rugby like the red-headed stepchild since Super Rugby came along, now we have this extra layer of competition (compared to the NH) that NZ rugby clearly wishes they didn't have to deal with. Either way most NZ grounds now are far too big for NPC and Super Rugby, which is a bad look. They should have looked at a merged union like Tasman, and maybe looked at considered logical mergers from the 27 or so unions down to around half that, with the top four competing against the Aussies and the top Japanese teams, much like the pre-Super comps were when you had the likes of Auckland going up against the Transvaal Lions etc. I think BOP even made it to compete against the Aussies and SA sides one year. It was great stuff and added meaning to the NPC the previous year to make it. Now the npc is just in a sorry state.
I think you are looking at the past with rose tinted glasses. Crowds were only average generally for provincial games apart for Ranfurly Shield or playoff games. I remember watching Auckland v Otago and there would have been about 2000 people at Eden Park. I do think though we need to do something to reinvigorate the Ranfurly Shield.
Agreed , I watched Counties in the late 70s. Went to see my geography teacher Bob Lendrum play for the combined Counties/Thames Valley team against the touring Lions in 77. The tours made for brilliant rugby and allowed players who weren't of the level to represent their country to have a go against the best.
Boks vs France labelled best game ever. Spectacular. With existing rules. Obviously tactics will change from game to game. Quality off the bench. AB do not have that. Change the rules😂
That wasn’t the best game ever. The wallabies v all blacks in 2000 with 109,000 people watching was the greatest game ever. Sit down clown
Who labelled it the best game ever?
lol. It was a great contest but, just like the other semi between Ireland and the ABs, a bit of distance is needed before labels like that mean much. There was certainly high tension in that game, but it doesn’t bring memorable sequences of play to mind.
Was the most dramatic, dont lie, one memorable sequence is that kolbe try.
Personally I can think of a number of games that are a far better watch but as with many things, it’s personal opinion…
Seems like they are essentially discussing how to change rugby to suit NZ's style of rugby?
Arrrgggg this show just drives me crazy with stupid comments like “we need to give the fans what they want and that is to speed up the game”! What the fans want are games like the World Cup semi finals and final. Intense, powerful scrums, tactical line outs, breakdown collisions etc. Last time I am ever listening to this BS.
Bye bye, in the real world rugby competes with league, Afl, soccer, basketball, cricket , tennis, baseball, Nfl. The laws of rugby are crazy difficult to follow. I would way prefer only four replacements, and no push over tries. And reduced scrum penalties
@@joedennehy386 I guess you are not a true supporter as a true supporter knows the rules well enough to enjoy the game. In there real world you say…I think you mean in Aus.
New Zealand can't complain about substitutions... You're the ones who wanted them in first place... back in 1952
I really miss the south africa teams in super, just not the same anymore they brought a great style
Bro was so nice to watch SA franchise play in NZ in the rain while us in SA had no rain 😂. The SuperRugby had all types of play from NZ speed, Aussie creativity ,SA power
You could argue the SA backs are more prone to fatigue because they have less subs, the fatigue argument is not relevant if you consider that
Nobody complained when Lomu swatted everyone to the side and NZ had a huge size advantage. In fact South Africa just said "ok then we'll tackle him" and they did. Zero tries against the Boks was the result and we never ran to world rugby citing the fans do not want to see Lomu. Really strange.
@@bunnychowmuncher So you think people want to see a game where its purposely being slowed down so the big guys can take a rest??
@@mikescudder4621 you pick a tactic … you play accordingly. It’s war, the winner takes it all. Since Springboks re admission it has been 4-2 world cups in favour of boks vs ABs.
@@mikescudder4621Go watch rugby League. Union is about all shapes and sizes, if the laws keep changing we will have 15 players all 100 kgs.
@@Facebrook99 - Are the ABs admitting that they not mighty anymore. They need help "change the rules" to help them. Sad day in ABs history of rugby.
Any innovation seen in a match is pretty entertaining. I remember listening to Justin's commentary at the time and getting a sense that he was quite entertained.
I personally love that SA had all of 7-1, 6-2, 5-3 benches during the world cup.
When the Boks selected a 5-3 bench for the French it was a surprise, ironically the press used titles like "Springboks spring bench surprise for Rugby World Cup quarter-final with France".
That's what innovation does, it even makes reverting to the tried and tested methods exciting. Let the game evolve naturally based on coach and player ideas, not men in boardrooms.
If it's that easy to figure out then it isn't innovative. I was more excited at the fact I would not have thought of having a scrum of a Mark. It's like watching a movie with a weird twist that you did not see coming.
Super Rugby has definitely been entertaining this year.
Hurricanes,the Blues,the Chiefs and Reds have been very entertaining this year.
Whats going on at crusaders. They just losing lately.
Hurricanes keeping to the NZ ways 💪🏽
@@citedcanvas85 This year is rebuilding stage for the Crusaders.
Only Seva Reece has been consistent.
Rugby Union is traditionally a game for ALL shapes and sizes. ❤ Please don’t change that, don’t turn our sport into Rugby League. 💔
From what I can tell, the game and it's viewership is doing just fine in Europe, Japan and SA. What's the problem boys?
Thank you for another great episode. The interview with Mike Anthony was particularly interesting, and your insightful questions fostered a rich discussion. In general, I want to commend James Parsons, Bryn Hall, and Karl Ross for their consistently excellent work as rugby analysts. Their approach is far superior to that of the Jeff Wilson and John Kirwan led Breakdown show. Your team offers more detailed analysis and maintains objectivity, unlike the Breakdown show which often seems to serve merely as a platform for Jeff and John's personal views. In contrast, your discussions are well-grounded and focus on the mechanics of rugby and how it affects the way various New Zealand rugby teams play. Keep up the fantastic work.
Hey gents, from Aus here. My understanding is that the Reds have had heaps of injuries and aren’t that great but they seem to do well against kiwi sides (at least this year), what areas do you guys put that down to? (Keen to look out for these things when I watch them going forward).
Reds are a good side!
Totally! And I’m in QLD so I’ve been watching them and back them but I want to see what these guys see as the difference this year cause last 2 or 3 seasons I think they only won like 1 or 2 games against kiwi sides, so like, why is this season so different?
I thought the ABs were poor in the World Cup final and should have beaten the springboks even though the ABs had 14 men for most the game. The ABs missed many opportunities that most AB teams have historically taken and you have to kick your goals. Even with rules that allow slow teams to bog the game down the ABs still should have won however i'm really glad the South Africans won as NZers have been too arrogant taking there historic success for granted. NZ by and large didn't have that much passion for the last world cup when compared to the scenes I saw from South Africa so well done South Africa but we'll be back stronger than ever with whatever rules we have to play with.
Cool story bro
Thanks for being honest - that is how we all should be.
When SA loses we are mocked for not being good enough - when we win we are mocked for somehow doctoring the result or manipulating the system. When we see large Polynesian athletes we admire them and want to play agains them - in reverse our large boys are told they are on juice dash roids. I suppose work ethic does not matter and its only roids or cheating the system that makes Elon Musk, Mark Shuttleworth and the rest of of us to achieve any level of success.
Damed if we do and damned if we don't and its unpleasant but then when we speak out we are whiners. Its nice to see there are mature blokes like you who can be honest and not envious.
Great idea - make rugby union more like league since league has about 0.05% of the viewership that Union has - great idea indeed
SA has a conveyer belt of super athletes on the up. Unbelievable talent that will embrace the changes , I say bring it on.
Should throw some of those super athletes into Olympic sports. SA medal tally is terrible
@@dribbles8891 As an Irishman, I will say you have made a poor attempt at trolling when clearly the comment is about rugby , for which South Africa have brilliant rugby athletes
High-performance guy actually said the South Africans "manipulate" the substitution rules? LOL. The rules are the rules and South Africa have not broken them. All teams are allowed to make eight substitutions. Also, careful what you wish for: if you think reducing forwards on the bench will guarantee that New Zealand beats South Africa (as the panel is implying because only the All Blacks are fit or can pass a ball, right?), what if that doesn't work? What excuse next?
Change the game so it suits us. That is what makes rugby so unique, big, small , tall, fat, skinny anyone can play it.
Hopefully yall are liatening to what he's saying about law changes, the law changes are not to benefit every team but thwir teams.
They've influenced world rugby enough to follow through and help better the game for them. Everything he has said inlucdes the words "helps better OUR teams". They know they have the inlfuence at world rugby and theyre using it to their advantage.
Stop comparing how rugby is ran to how pro sports in America is ran. You’re not in the same stratosphere financially and that’s the end all be all to the comparisons. American pro sports can operate the way they do because they have corporate sponsorship and tv money that you can’t even fathom. It’s unfair to even look at it that way.
I am a out and out Chiefs supporter. At the same time I really enjoy watching the Drua. I really think Round 12 can be their first away win.
Not having the SA teams in the super rugby is going to hurt NZ in the long run, and that will be apparent in the coming years.
On the other hand I am so happy the SA teams are over in the northern hemisphere, it's only going to make us stronger.
This is so much better than the breakdown. I don't think we have our high performance sorted out though. Kids coming into a high performance environment after school is way too late. In France, they go into a high performance environment at 12. And it's tough. You go to school and train every day with games on the weekend. At U18 and up, there are nationwide comps. You don't just play the best in France, you play the best youth players from everywhere except NZ, SA and the UK. For a full season. French clubs have to have 14 French academy trained players (JIFF) in their match day 23 in the Top14 and ProD2. These guys qualify as French, but aren't (similar to what the EPL does in football, if you've been in an English academy for 5 years, you qualify as an English player, even though you can't represent England). Tier 2 nations in Europe benefit greatly from it. Look at Portugal at the last WC and now Spain at the U20 WC. I'm in Holland and they have about half their U20 squad at French academies. They are now best of the rest in Europe and qualified for the U20 Trophy.
Real talent gets time on the park in the first XV over there. Others who are too good for the U21 (Espoirs) comp are loaned out to lower level clubs for a full season where they play grown men, not boys. European U20 sides are more mature than ours. Look at the France v NZ game last year. They had players like Jauneau, Attisogbe and Tuilagi in the squad who are starters for their Top 14 clubs, at 19. Then there were others who already had time in the Top14 or are starters at lower level clubs. Our youngsters get 3 months in the NPC, theirs full seasons of professional rugby. Look at France's line up against England in the 6N: they had five players of 22 and younger in the match day 23. Would have been 6 if Tuilagi hadn´t been injured. How many 21 year old's do we have that are good enough to start for the ABs? None.
It’s interesting the debate about the speed of the game. Most games I’ve watched live seem to move incredibly fast, I’m not sure TV viewers get that energy/vibe.
I don’t think Rugby will ever attract huge audiences because it’s such a tough game for kids to play and the fan base starts at that young age when folks start playing the game. Football (soccer) will always be huge as pretty much every kid can participate in a game
How great was it to see Super in Tonga! Bryn called it last week get the ball to Garden bachops wing & the Highlanders will come away with points
As a SA you need us to hlp though your player's and missing boks in super rugby..but e
You hate our game confused
Core thing of any rule change is that it affects both teams, hey?
Amazing how many people have misunderstood the conversations. Maybe its an attention span thing?
"Element of fatigue"... Makes 🤣🤣🤣 everytime. Like i turn on the tv hoping teams get tired🙄
The irony here is that Australia will inevitably massively improve at both club and international level over the next few years under Nucifora and Schmidt and as they do the bleating from NZ to change the rules to mimic NRL will increase as the shock that they’re not invincible anymore at any playing level sets in.
I love rugby, and I live on the other side of the world and watch nz games when i can on a streaming platform. Outside of a finals game, i find myself constantly skipping ahead. Players walking to line outs, forwards going down with injuries just before a scrum, scrums getting set and re-set, penalties and kicks that take a minute. The game has a lot of dead space.... which in my opinion only detracts from the game. A lot of the time its obvious and just looks ugly.
This was a really interesting insight into some of behind the scenes stuff going on in NZ.
Keep up the great mahi!
The comments on late bloomers is very interesting. Jonah Lomu was a star at schoolboy level at Wesley and was spotted by Eric Rush when he was 14 and was well mentored by the Wesley staff. Sir JK however , if the comments from my ex De La Salle friends from the 70/80s are correct was nothing special at schoolboy level and only developed once at Marist. Yet they became two of our best wings.
One thing hard is stats only say so much.its more than that
82,500 attended Leinster V Northampton, maybe if NZ pundits stop talking about how bad rugby is, the fans would be more interested. Also need to sort out Super Rugby, teams only play in Super Rugby and 8 of 12 teams qualify for the playoffs which means there’s little jeopardy.
agree NH is just on top down here for our white hairs right now with players down here entering the comp up there in this era. Super is doing ok for competitiveness to match where it matters and trending well to a new campaign and record win or lose. the spectacle of it has been different tho but it has been for 4 years. this build for the next journey to when it matters will be the gap we find out if its 10 and 1 to tie.
amen
Oh I always love these chats from NZ media to play this skill-based game of passing and space
From an SA point of view we love it cos it just means target practice for us next time we play them
The way we’ve out manned them in Mbombela, Twickenham and then in the Final in Paris, they just making it even more easy for us to lay some hurt on their players😂
Gee a lot of Saffas on here this week feeling a little sensy about any threat to the kind of game they play 😊. The game changes in ebbs and flows, don’t worry, nothing changes you winning two WRCs in a row. SA a fine team and have had periods of strength over the years. They have been true to their strengths and their character. Kiwis are just as passionate and like to innovate, that’s just the pundits passion for the game coming out. When criticising the crowds here you always have to see it in the context of the size of the population. There’s only 5 million of us and as a percentage interest is still reasonable, but the screen has replaced the stadium for many, so the entertainment angle has amplified in selling to that market. So, chill a bit about the talk of changes and we will see you on the field as always!
Up until recently ony 10% of South Africans were interested in rugby so the populations in terms of the sport were not much different so its growing now yes.
As for being sensy - not really - we are simply fed up with the double standards the whole time. When NZ had Lomu they laughed when he swatted everyone aside BUT as opposed ot the other countries we just showed some grit and tackled him. We kept him out his entire career without running to World Rugby and despite guys like Paulse and Aplon having to tackle the big guy. Even recently it was Arendse vs Clarke.
Grit is in our fabric so we are confused seeing you guys complain now when the shoe is on the other foot. You have large Polynesians to call on too so we are confused why you cannot have a few really good props and hookers too and your scrum has some big guys. Arendse scored a try saving tackle agains Rieko Ioane in the final - Rieko is much larger than him. We are not asking world rugby to make wings smaller. We see the whole thing as a bit of a scam when you consider the above and how we knuckle down when the shoe is on the other foot.
The Blitzbokke are smaller than many of their Sevens opponents - we have not once asked World Rugby to handicap Argentina, Fiji or NZ in Sevens. Be fair for once.
@@bunnychowmuncher No, doesn't come across as sensitive at all 🙄
@jacobh1867 the rest of the world is free to comment on your stuff if it comes across as insular. If you don't like that, make this video for your region only. It's pretty simple.
I love you Jip!!
"There should be an element of player fatigue"
My goodness. Sam Cane couldn't even adjust his height in a WC final while having energy, imagine the damage players will do while being fatigued and being desperate to defend.
SuperRugby viewership numbers slightly up this year but still well below other competitions, not sure why NZ think they are the saviors to rugby when they are battling to sell their own competition
When did they say they are saviours of other comps? This is a NZ show and these are ideas to better the sport in NZ. Deal with it or if you can't, don't watch NZ based programs.
@@AK-wc9rl you right, certainly Noone watching their local rugby.🤣🤣
@@at7512 Are you a saffa? A bit embarrassing that you have to run and join other leagues isn't it? Can't even set up your own. Enjoy playing in D Grade URC where the only good team in it in Leinster play their B team most of the time. Shows you how seriously they take that comp.
What other competitions are you referring to?
@@AK-wc9rl Why self isolate? SA also has Currie Cup which is historically much higher regarded than NPC. URC is a solid competition, much more depth of good teams than Super Rugby, also play the best of England and France in Champ Cup/EPCR which has actually been awesome.
I think what some people might be missing is this isn't coming from a place of arrogance but of necessity. Crowds in New Zealand for Super Rugby has probably halved over the past 10 years and the decline is still continuing. There is a real desire to speed up the game because NZR is desperate to win the crowds back because if they don't we might not have Super Rugby in 5/10 years.
That's not going to fix the issue... rugby is just losing popularity in NZ due to changes in society.
RUGBY SHOULD ALSO BE PLAYED WITH A ROUND BALL
Sadly some of the new laws lend themselves to crappy tactical plays, not being allowed a second scrum opens up loopholes to exploit, all that was needed was either time off clock to reset or a limited time allocation to get reset.
some of the new rules make sense DuPont, croc roll.
This is so frustrating. I love the Breakdown and Aotearoa rugby POD but week in week out you are talking about changing the laws and having your own Super Rugby laws. Lets enjoy both types of games tight physical or flashy running rugby. On the weekend Leinster v Saints was tight and physical not many tries however Toulouse v Quins was quicker more speed especially by Quins. They both had same laws and same replacements. In actual fact Quins play 'new zealand' type rugby within the current laws. Its exciting to watch and they fins ways to overcome fresh replacement forwards on the opposition side. Fans and new comers are getting confused because laws are changed and too complicated. Too complicated equals no consistency as unintended consequence.
Is Fatigue not present in a 7-1 split. Do literally EVERY backline players (okay besides 1) not have to play 80 mins? Most teams choose to spread the fatigue between forwards and backs. The Springboks (or maybe the continent of Africa - never sure when SA is referred to as a continent) Decide to put all the fatigue on the backs... this view of fatigue is just dumb. It also only seems to come out of Oceania (Should be obvious, but im referring to NZ AND AUS when i say Oceania).
Does NZ have enough top quality players to support 6 teams in NZ. Most of the Moana Pacifica players come from NZ, now so many top players go off shore so early in their careers. In the past this was something that most top quality players did at the end of their careers. Asking this, from the perspective of a diehard New Zealand rugby supporter.
The new laws being trialled in the U20 rugby championship, in my opinion are not working they way they've been intended, and are having "negative" affects on the game. Calling a mark from the kick off? Just wastes time and goes to an automatic lineout. Stupid idea. Only one stop allowed in the maul then "use it" but apparently going forward and scoring a try doesn't count as using it. Just creating more scrums, slowing the game down. Maul is just getting started, ref calls "use it," ball doesn't come out, scrum. They want to create ball in play time but they're creating more set piece.
If what they want is to speed up the game, they're failing dismally. If they want to slow it down and give the Boks more set piece, they doing a fantastic job.
I've gotta say, Ross has a phenomenal head of hair.
And your point is??
@@salomiodendaal4473 not smart are you.
IMO its a terrible idea to restrict replacements only for injuries or how your bench is structured. How do you blood some young guys if not from the bench? How do you bring a guy back from injury if not from the bench? Fatigue = poorer decision making and poorer technique and higher risk of injury. Why would you even want fatigued players against each other and not best against best full out? Why was the bench not an issue in 100 years until the Boks found a way to give them an advantage with it? Its absolutely biased
Well I’m enjoying the comments as well as the vibe of the show….most entertaining. Keep it up lads!
Perhaps your guest might like to expound of the reason for Canterbury rugby paying a late 30's, washed up rugby player from Wales to be first choice first five eight.
Who else do they have?
@@jeremyviall4168 Anybody from lower grades couldn't be worse.
Contractual obligations!?! But it is absurd. He didn't seem particularly at home last week at fullback.
@@jeremyviall4168 Surely Crotty is the answer at 10!!!
@mikescudder4621 yeah, let's play a specialist mid fielder at 10... that worked well with Haviili... no they need a 10. The ones from lower grade have been poor as well. At least Half penny has experience
Gotta endorse commentating by Kane Hames, who very often comment on refs decisions and explain to what exactly went wrong… sometimes even mention his own view on the situation.. i feel like hes morw connected to the viewer..more games to him please
How good is Rassie? Have to change the game to beat him. The “fix” is in. Sad to see our greatest foes NZ driving it. I guess winning by any means possible is truly the NZ way. Even changing a game they’ve dominated for 100 years.
They’ve become soft.
Ball in play stats
1987 28.11
2003 31.58
2011 32.12
2019 34.21
2023 34.18
Scrums
1987 32
2003 22
2011 19
2019 14
2023 15
What exactly is the problem?
Just because the game doesn't suit the NZ eye doesn't mean we must make it 15-man league. Richard Low, Hayman, Collins, McCaw and the great packs of NZ past are being dishonored as much as SA are being nullified. Absolutely mind blowing
Hilarious we are the greatest rugby nation, because we won't hesitate to change the game anytime we can, just as every nation does. South Africa doesn't do well against us since uncle gert stopped blowing the whistle for you after 1976. You have greater things to worry about. But complaining about the laws from you is Hilarious. Until neutral refs came in, South Africa had a winning record against New Zealand, since then we beat you nearly 3 times from 4. Check it out. With players all around the world, and not being able to keep the lights on, its all over for you guys.
Hurricanes Vs FijianDrua SemiFinal 2024!
😆😆yeah bro 🙌🏾💯
A lot of Safas getting all worked up here about ideas that are being floated. Just calm the farm, cool down, have a drink, relax in your new adopted country wherever that may be or the gated community that you live in. It’ll be ok, they’re just ideas and proposals.
Saffas are such a sensitive bunch
This comment has been added to the Oxford English dictionary definition of passive aggressive 😅
How patronising. Still wouldn't leave SA to go to an adopted country to be treated like a filthy immigrant.
😂😂😂
I hope you cleared this comment with your local indigenous council before publication.
You are contradicting yourself.
You are all about speeding up the game, but you want to reduce the amount of subs to introduce fatigue?
Overly fatigued players playing a faster game = injuries.
Think.
AB's 3 from 9. Boks 4 from 7. Change the rules, what does it matter? They've changed a fair amount over the last 30 years and the Boks have done more than ok in that time.
3 from 10, and 4 from 8
@@kristian762 just making sure you're not kipping.
@@glennbrave 😂🍻
Great to hear the talk of fatigue and subs. Need to make it more aerobic, means smaller athletes, less power, fewer brain injury problems. Plus a more entertaining game. I don’t want to watch forwards organising themselves for a scrimmage for an age. Look at old games where the scrums happen instantly.
REDUCE THE PLAYERS TO 11 PER SIDE. WILL MAKE REFEREE DECISIONS EASIER. BETTER TO WATCH 22 PLAYERS THAN 30
How did World Rugby and New Zealand pundits measure boredom in rugby? If anything, all I hear is that the France vs Springboks quarter contents as one of the geatest game of Rugby Union so far!
New laws to reduce scrums. Scrums are what rugby is all about. World Rugby trying to to move to Rugby league. F them. We love OUR sport.
I want a fast game. Was a winger
I'm never watching the breakdown again
Yeah. Waste of television
They obviously do not watch how the springbok forwards play. For 40-50min they empty the tank they are fatigued then they bring the bench up and those guys empty the tank.
They play 100% when you take the bench away forwards are going to slow down, less turn overs , less counter rucks, hour changing the fundamentals of rugby. Go play league!!!
So what do the Canes need to do to take the Blues out? Becoming another Blues Crusaders fan club.
Clearly everyone likes running rugby... but ALSO the other aspects of the game. It's rugby not netball.
You guys can do whatever you want about the rules of the game. Boks will always find a way. I can gurrantee you now that Dr. Rassie is 3 steps ahead of you all. You know why? Because you don't know what we know.
If you cant beat The Boks, try destroy there System and Game Plan. When that doesnt work they will try ban Boks from playing...
When you take a minute to think about it rationally, changing the rugby laws because you're unhappy with the way certain teams play the game is absolutely ridiculous. It is so unethical. And the rule changes are complicating our wonderful game. And besides all that, World Rugby claims they're trying to improve the experience for fans, how do they know they're doing what fans actually want?? Judging by what I've read and seen online, they're actually doing the opposite of what most international fans want to see.
The irony of the fans want to see it talk, Europe doesn’t have a problem with bums on seats and yet not all clubs play NZ style rugby (oops attacking style). I certainly hope if you get your way after all this “lobbying” that you win the next World Cup - just remember South Africa is adaptable and are best when put down and also consider the success of the Blitzboks and wander to yourself if they can’t adapt to a faster game..
I would love to see the evidence that rugby supporters want all the teams to play the same way.
WHY NOT ASK THE FANS, ALL THE FANS, NOT JUST YOUR INNER CIRCLE, WHAT THEY WANT FROM THE GAME?
NZ commentators often lead the narrative AWAY from what the All Blacks are NOT good at (eg: physicality), then name THAT as "what the fans want". Nonsense.
Survey the fans, about scrums for example? Do fans like scrums? Clearly the AB's don't.
NZ pundit attitude…. If you can’t beat them, change the rules 😂
Losing respect more and more since the WC
I don’t buy the literal argument that ‘more running and more counter attack’ makes for a better product. League has that already and I don’t think that is necessarily a better product because of it.
What makes for a less ‘boring’ game is appreciable skill (ability to do what you are doing well - scrum, pass, mail, etc) and jeopardy (games that aren’t one sided). We should also be careful of not ‘dumbing down the game’ simply because we want to attract fans who typically wouldn’t care to understand the more technical aspects of what makes union the unique game it is…
SA’s 1/4,1/2 and the RWC final were (for me) the exact opposite of boring… and they all had a mix of running, counter attacking, clever and brutal defence and captivating set piece. And huge jeopardy. One point wins are hardly ever boring, no matter what the game was like.
As for adapting - whatever changes come, I’ll back SA (and other nations) to adapt. And I applaud any team that uses the rules and creates smart development strategies (that play to the nation’s natural strengths and nations realities) and game tactics within those rules. I’d argue that Ireland and SA (and probably NZ) have done that well over the last two RWC cycles…
"Lead the way the game is played". Yeah off the filed as well with rule changes.
Change all the rules you want. Its flattering, but it's seen for what it is. Still gonna be there in 2027. Better practice some gents. Looking forward to the challenge.
How sad that every time NZ doesn't win they whine to have the laws changed to suit them. Well done NZ-you're officially responsible for taking away the nuiances that makes our game special and making us more and more like rugby league
The South African fans love Damien calling a scrum. NZ can run the ball just play to your stengths
Man these guys are insulting. Thank ---- they are confined to NZ. Hope the Boks only every play them in WCs
He must have hated it in the USA. A NFL game is four quarters of 15 minutes each and the average NFL game takes three hours and twelve minutes to complete. His ball in play time brain must have exploded? 🤣
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