The Aryan Invasion Debate: State Of The Art
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- In this podcast, Dr. Koenraad Elst and Shrikant Talageri get together as Dr. Elst makes a presentation on the Aryan Invasion Theory debate and the multiple claims that are made inside that camp. They also answer multiple questions in the end about the patron-client relationship, guest-host relationship, and whether they were unique to Rigvedic societies.
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00:00:00 - intro
00:02:01 - Presentation starts
00:03:18 - Aryan Invasion vs Aryan Migration
00:05:00 - Indo European language family
00:07:14 - Linguistics is flawed?
00:11:08 - Discovery of IE
00:14:22 - Language Families
00:18:13 - Out of India Theory
00:21:04 - Birth of IE Scholarship
00:22:33 - Effect of Archaeological findings on linguistics
00:25:23 - Malayo Polynesian connection
00:28:55 - Homeland shifts westwards
00:33:00 - In defense of OIT
00:37:57 - Aryan Invasion Theory
00:40:14 - August Schleicher's works
00:44:15 - Linguistic Area
00:45:30 - Neogrammarians
00:46:59 - Fernand de Saussure's works
00:52:00 - Linguistic Evidence
00:55:56 - Rigveda's Influence and Loanwords
01:00:49 - What evidence would change your mind ?
01:02:20 - Proto Munda
01:08:20 - Linguistic Paleontology
01:13:06 - The elephant and Linguistic Paleontology
01:18:00 - Isoglosses
01:24:28 - Sanskrit Linguistics
01:27:30 - Accepting Linguistics
01:30:03 - Conclusion and QnA
Srikant sir’s lectures are so dense you need to watch it 3-4 times.
That's probably because he is pretty dense himself
True
@@HariShankar-zy9ho oye dumeel learn Hindi
Exactly.
@@topg2820 uh why? Something special about Hindi?
OHH Keonrad Elst aur Srikant Talageri EK SAAth!! This is gonna be the mother of interesting talks!! good one Kushal broo!!!
Shri Shrikant Talageri should be nominated for Padma Shree, he certainly deserves it.
His work will be reviewed at the highest level in the government, this may help secure official support.
He was retired bank manager not having Right acedmic creditals to be considered to be in list of scholars.
@@SaurabhSingh-zv1kf
Padma Awards are for anyone who contributes to social progress. It's not an academic award.
@@SaurabhSingh-zv1kf his arguments matter not his previous job..
Padma Vibhushan. He knows more that fake linguistics and historians
Shrikant ji s work is so deep ,whether he gets padmashree or not we must appreciate him
Koenraad sir ! Legend is here
Kushal, thanks for organizing this session.
Shrikanth Sir, thank you so much!!! We are all indebted to you!!! One day everyone will know the greatness of your work.
PHENOMINAL Talk and Discussion !! Amazing, should be watched by all Indians
😅yng c
Kushal thank you for doing this. Though I must accept that I echo the sentiment of others in the comment section here, asking for a true debate: where all sides of the subjects can be addressed through various perspectives.
Maybe this one presents the case of OIT, would be awesome if you could get people who hold the opposite viewpoint next, and then eventually both opposing sides can come and talk togather.
Thanks Kushal! As always, this forum brings out the best of minds in the Indic space to debunk age old narratives and bring forth the most plausible truth. In that category, this podcast becomes another jewel to keep and preserve for all proponents of Indic civilisational heritage.
Fantastic session.
great work, this great educational video
Real intellectuals 🙌❤️
Out of India theroy makes more sense then AMT. Even in rig vedas they talks about battle of 10kings were king named sudas wins and rest clans fled towards West after their loss.
Alina - hellena - Hellas (Greeks)
Pars hawa - paras - Persia (Iran)
And such 8 other Kings who started their own kingdom later and so we share lot of similar Gods and their stories with ancient Greeks, zoraster and 8 other clans
Of course. If it was AIT or AMT then how come there was no trace of hindu/vedic tradition outside india except remnants of so called "pagan" tradition which followed distorted and diluted hindu tradition?. Point is ancestors of Abrahamic religion followers were so called 'Pagans" (4000 BCE to 700 ACE) and guess who were the ancestors of so called Pagans? Hindu/Vedic people who ruled the whole world before 4000 BCE.
There are 33 types of supreme deities (cosmic allegories for nature, laws of nature, vedic metaphysics)
1. 12 Adityas
2. 11 Rudras
3. 8 vasus
4. 2 Ashwinis
TOTAL = 33 types of deities.
All Abrahamic religions have lifted from the concept of 33 vedic deities (from so called paganism from outside India)- 33 vedic deities is the reason why Jacobs ladder on which angel Gabriel came down to meet Mohammad/ Moses/ pedophile Mormon founder Joseph Smith etc has 33 steps.. 33 vedic deities is the reason why the Islamic rosary called Misbahah , to keep track of counting of Tasbih has 33 beads, to perform dhikr ( tasbeeh/ tahmeed/ takbeer ).. 33 vedic deities is the reason why in precise Torah, Elohim is written 33 times, genesis' story of creation .. Elohim means Canaanite god adopted by Jews.
How did Bharath become India so quickly. Names can be changed at the whims and fancy.
@DEVVRAT MISHRA He is not an academician and driven by right wing cause, so will not waste time on him. Pls point out to any academic papers that are peer reviewed.
Sudas & his Westren Opponent like Parsu PARSAV-Persian,Prthu Parthav-Parthian,Madr-Madian Madai Made , Pakth -Pakhtun Pashtun pathan Pactian Vishanin -Paisachi Pisachi Vaikaran-Vatarte Simyus-Sairma Sarmah Simyo Sarmat Sarmatian,Bhrigu-Brige Atharwan Phrigian Thraco Phrigian Shiva Khiva Khwariz ,Alin -Alan Helene,czcams.com/video/Xexi6JiRepk/video.html
One of Sudas Westren Opponent Alin -Alan czcams.com/video/hAWvRtZut1w/video.html 👈👈👈
Sir can you upload a pdf sort of thing of this presentation, that'd be very helpful.
Thank you 👍
People talking about that razib must have invited for counter points .
First have to understand that Razib is a geneticist not a linguist or historian.
If u want a debate than it should happen between Neeraj Rai and Razib .
In this case debate must happen between Miachel Witzel or Tony Joseph against Shrikant Talegiri or Koenrad Elst.
Out of India theroy makes more sense then AMT. Even in rig vedas they talks about battle of 10kings were king named sudas wins and rest clans fled towards West after their loss.
Alina - hellena - Hellas (Greeks)
Pars hawa - paras - Persia (Iran)
And such 8 other Kings who started their own kingdom later and so we share lot of similar Gods and their stories with ancient Greeks, zoraster and 8 other clans
@@lll2282
When did battle of ten kings happened (approximate date) ?
Genes have nothing to do with cultural impact it indicates movement of human beings
Let's say if indo Aryan migration happened they must have minimal impact on indigenous culture and we have continued to till this date
Toney Joseph was just a former editor of Business Today then how can he be right person to be in debate
@MR map no it proves nothing, because Budhism spread throughout Asia, but none of the Asians have Indian genes.
European Languages have spread across many nations after conquests, but they hardly show any genetic resemblance.
American culture has spread across the world, but I don't think you will find the same genes in those places.
Islam came to India majorly from Turks, but it was developed in the Arab land.
Development of language, culture have no direct relation with migration.
Where can I find the intro music?
Nyc .. can we have Niraj Rai on the show to talk about Genetics angle to the Indian history
Bring him and Razib. We need opposing points of view together
@@surendarvijay2520 yeah sure 👍
Thanks!
Greeks Indians & Iranians were in constant contact from 500bce onwards which amplified post alexander.
thanks man
Kushal , could ask Konrad to give some context before explaining each slide. He just starts explaining his point but should lay out what the AIT position is and in context to that what his position is. That way we can understand exactly what aspect of the whole picture is being addressed.
Good point but then it becomes redundant for people that have some context. Hard to cater to every viewpoint. This a wide subject. It is beneficial to go through the whole Carvaka playlist on AIT/AMT/OIT.
@@samsm9517 or may be the speakers themselves are not confident enough to counter AIT/AMT in a clear and concise manner.
@@indianmilitary what do you think the questions asked were, if they weren't confident, their answers would be vague, but infact they were precise and well thought, researched and formed.
I hope the Indus Valley language is deciphered. That will put a fitting end to this debate once and for all.
Mercator projection has had a huge physiological impact on the world
Played this at 2x to sound like normal pace
2:00:46
Those were the days when even Europeans were Sanghis defending OIT.
🤔
@@mayankindian3750 actually initially it was only OIT which was in town at the early period of east india company
@@aditya-rt4zb In the 19th century OIT and AIT were both very relevant and significant ideologies that were competing with each other.
@luvsuneja. Yes. Some white people used AIT to justify their racial superiority and others used OIT.
sarcasm 😅🤣
Srikant ji should not look for judgement or approval from unbiased experts but go on publishing his findings. Also speak to Govt to get his findings into Indian school text books.
Sinnauli they have found chariots and there is debate that the bones were of horse or not. What this explains ??
There is archeological evidence in the form of an Ivory Sculpture of so called "lion man" ( or Narasimha avatar of Vishnu - lion head and human body) found in Swabian Alps, Germany which was carbon dated to be around 40,000 BCE. It is currently in ULM city museum, GERMANY.
Would Max Mueller (East India company agent and a devout Christian) - the creator of Aryan race theory accept the 42,000 yr old evidence and acknowledge that the universe existed beyond Christianity's understanding of creation of the universe that supposed to have happened in 4000 BCE around 8.30 am in the morning?
@DEVVRAT MISHRA as per all the documentaries they found the bones of some animal, which animal was debatable
Marathi language write script changed in 12th century, before Marathi language written in Palini script or Pali script, could you address more
Agoni is that AIT supportive people recognize the language of rigveda but outrightly rejects the writings in rigveda such as the battle between Dasrajan.This is totally one-sided AIT without any evidence while OIT has the evidence as telegiri narrated including text of rugved written in "Sanskrit"on base of it they relate the vedic people to Europe as Indno European but the same group does not recognize the writings of rigved.while it is natural that happening of events written in TeX may be very older to that of date if rigved.They miscalculte the homeland on no evidence base.
2600bc - 1900bc Indus valley civilization.,
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1500bc nomadic Steppe pastorolist - AASI - ANI - 1500bc - 100AD - Endogamy - aryan Vedic culture - varna jati system. 100AD.
You mean the Ancient Aryan refugee crisis.
How do you square this with Ramayana with us similar antiquity but has India reasonably formed?
Ramayana is a story, not history !
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wgit's history
@@Yogis_BitterTruth_BrahmNirvana There is no archeological proof .
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg I just provided evidence from ancient scriptures, Bharat (modern-day India) itself is clear archeological proof. even if there is saperatists won't accept it.
@@Yogis_BitterTruth_BrahmNirvana You quote a story. tell it is evidence .
Why no skeletons from 18 akshauhinis of armies ?
100AD Aryan invasion _ Vedic culture -- Endogamy enforcement - Varna enforcement - vedas - Sanskrit -saraswati _ manusmriti - Endogamy - varana - jati - first century AD. - -
Great insights. Wondered how to sit through for 2 hours. In the end even a whole day may go in a flash. The info on cow DNA is another eye opener
I wonder were Africa fits in all of the migration theories. With oldest human remains (approx 3 million years old as per wiki) found in Africa and Africa being geologically stable for life longer than any other continent (scientist claim 5 rock terrains in Africa as old as when Earth cooled down), could mother of all migrations started from Africa with nudge from cycle of Sahara from green to desert to green
Indo Aryan migration might have happened because we found steppe ancestry in our genes but they must have assimilated into our culture.
for your info, Steppe Ancestry is also known to be of Mongols not just Russians... which can be true as well because Kushans would have had the same DNA as Mongols as well since they both could have come from the same race.
Sakshat Karandikar Rubbish. The root genes "R and M" of Europeans including Russians can be found only in India but not anywhere else. It proves that migration did not happen from outside India.
But did people migrate from India? India is the mother civilization for Sanskrit and Vedas and it is evident from the fact that it still continues through traditional and cultural integration of Vedic metaphysical concepts in the form of temples, deities, rituals, festivals, symbols, Vedic Sanskrit mantras, pilgrimage centers etc even though hindu/vedic civilization ruled the whole world before 4000 BCE.
Point is ancestors of Abrahamic religion followers were so called 'Pagans" (4000 BCE to 700 ACE) and guess who were the ancestors of so called Pagans? Hindu/Vedic people who ruled the whole world before 4000 BCE.
There are 33 types of supreme deities (cosmic allegories for nature, laws of nature, vedic metaphysics)
1. 12 Adityas
2. 11 Rudras
3. 8 vasus
4. 2 Ashwinis
TOTAL = 33 types of deities.
All Abrahamic religions have lifted from the concept of 33 vedic deities (from so called paganism from outside India)- 33 vedic deities is the reason why Jacobs ladder on which angel Gabriel came down to meet Mohammad/ Moses/ pedophile Mormon founder Joseph Smith etc has 33 steps.. 33 vedic deities is the reason why the Islamic rosary called Misbahah , to keep track of counting of Tasbih has 33 beads, to perform dhikr ( tasbeeh/ tahmeed/ takbeer ).. 33 vedic deities is the reason why in precise Torah, Elohim is written 33 times, genesis' story of creation .. Elohim means Canaanite god adopted by Jews.
So, it is foolish to say Vedas came into India only in 1500 BCE and it is also pointless to talk about migration or genetic similarities without understanding this basic history.
East India company (owned then by Jewish bankers) had a political motive to create Aryan race theory which was exported later to Germany through Madame Blavatsky's (another agent of East India company) book "The secret doctrine" which was kept by crypto Jew Hitler under his pillow till the day he disappeared to Argentina.
Hitler's job was to flush all the European Jews into then British controlled Palestine and create an artificial refugee crisis for the creation of a separate Jewish state called ISRAEL. The so called "6 million" Jewish victim propaganda had been happening since 1910 (30 to 5 yr before world war II began and ended). 1 million homos and tribes were put to death in concentration camps to show some head count.
So, truth is much deeper then you can imagine and stop looking at things superficially to push your political narrative.
@@indianmilitary for your Information there were some Indian Merchants in the 18s that actually settled in Russia and they did marry the local women and their offspring moved to India... there can be a Chance why we find Russian DNA in Indians...
@@indianmilitary The Indian Merchants married the TarTar Tribe women. in fact these merchants were Gujarati's their descendants came back to India after Independence hence this is how we have the Russian DNA in India.
You can find ought Parsu Parsav-Persian Parsik Parsi Persua Farsi Bhalan-Bolan Baloch Baluch Pakth -Pakhtun Pashtun pathan Pactian Madr Madai Made-Madian Das Dahee Dacian ALIN-Alan Helene Prithu Parthav-Parthian Pehlav Shiva-Khiva Khwariz Vishanin-Paisachi Pisachi Vaikaran-Vatarte Simyus-Sairma Sarmah Simyo Sarmat Sarmatian Bhrigu-Brige Phrigian Thraco Thrigian & Druhyu-Druid czcams.com/video/Xexi6JiRepk/video.html 👈👈👈
The fact that shrikant gave example of asmi asi asti and numbers to prove the that Sanskrit and European languages are related instead of "regular sound correspondence" and "morphological correspondence" shows that even after trying too hard for 30 years he still haven't learned the very basic of linguistics and is still a bank clark who has read some books on linguistics
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 kya kuch bhi?
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 me amt ya zmt ki baat nahi kar raha hu. Me sirf Linguistics ki baat kar raha hu
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 kis cheej ka evidence?
What's the point barking alone in comment section? go there are defeat him in debate logically it's the only way truth with come out
very poor quality. Did not touch on the genetic work which has essentially confirmed Invasion Theory.
Very poor comment written by a fool who does not have basic knowledge of linguistics.
R1a has nothing to do with IE Languages it is even present in Non IE people in great frequencies Even in the Semitic speakers.
Hurrians who are not IEs too have R1a! So the spread of R1a has nothing to do with labguages. Genes have nothing to do with languages like for eg. Brahui people are genetically very different from the South Indians but yet they belong to the same Language family of Dravidian languages!
Some people say "Aryan and Dravidian race is a complete hoax", but the whole world knows that India have two distinct major linguistic group namely Indo-Aryan [Indo-European] and Dravidian Language group, namely Sanskrit and Tamil. Even though the word Dravidian coined only in later days, since it is used to represent a Distinct linguistic group. We say it as Aryan and Dravidian races namely Aryans and Ancient Tamils. NO ONE CAN DENY this fact, so "Aryan and Dravidian race is NOT a hoax"
In recent decades, the idea of an Aryan migration into India has been disputed only by Indian scholars, who claim Indigenous Aryans scenarios [Only because they do NOT want to be identified as OUTSIDERS to India]. However, these alternate scenarios are rooted in traditional and religious views on Indian history and identity and are universally rejected in mainstream scholars. Iranians are the original Aryans who invaded India from the west, this what we call it as ARYAN Invasion / Migration.
The country Name Iran itself means "Land of the Aryans" and Iranshahr. The very close relation between Iranian and Indo-Aryan groups has never been doubted. They share linguistic features to such a degree that Indo-Iranian is generally described as a distinct subgroup of Indo-European. The term Arya has been used by the Iranian people, as well as by the rulers and emperors of Iran, from the time of the Avesta.
The well-attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit, Avestan and Old Persian. Sanskrit and Avestan are very closely related languages with exact grammatical principles and numerous cognates [Blood Relative]. You can find words which are exactly identical, like Sanskrit/Avestan naman (name), ushtra (camel) etc.
The list of Vedic Sanskrit gods are - Indra, Varuna, Mitra, Soma, Rudra, Vishnu & Agni.
The list of Mittani [Syria] gods are - Indra, Varuna, Mitra and Nasatyas (Ashvins)
This proves that Vedic Sanskrit gods are similar to that of Mittani [Syria] gods. And Mittani language being older than Sanskrit proves that Rigveda originated in Syria / Iran and then moved to India.
Language, literature, epics & poems evolves every century. In Vedic/Hindu literature, Asuras (Ahuras) are bad guys while Devas are heroes. In Zoroastrian/Persian literature, Ahuras (Asuras) are heroes while Daevas are the villains.
When the Vedic Aryans moved further, they arrived in the Indian subcontinent they were faced by the native Dravidians, Dravidians that got conquered were placed as low caste in Vedic Aryan society. The Vedic Aryans continued to call the enemy as “Asuras", but the description of the Asuras changed to Dravidians (i e. present day south-Indians) with dark skin, large facial hair etc.
This is another proof for Rigveda evolving in Syria / Iran [Persia] and moved to Indian sub-continent. Initially Asuras (Ahuras) were referring to Zoroastrian/Persian and in later days Asuras were used to refer Dravidians.
We have all the proofs for Aryan invasion in Rig Veda itself. Dasyus were the people who lived in India when the Aryans arrived here. They were having a dark-skin and flat noses. Battles depicted in the R̥gveda are directly referring to Aryans migrating into India which is native land of dark skinned people Dravidians. Rig Veda - Dasa: 54 hymns and 63 verses and Dasyus: 65 hymns, 80 verses. The accounts of conflict between the Aryans and the Dasas and Dasyus are acknowledged in Rig Veda.
Rig Veda describes that Dasas and Dasyus were people who do not perform sacrifices. Aryans had to fight with these people for land. The Aryans defeated them and did not treat them well. The Aryan chief who overpowered Dasyus were called dasyuhatya (slaughter of the dasyus) this is repeatedly mentioned in the Rig Veda.
Read the following to know more on this same subject
Aryan by Birth - Upper Caste Fair Skin NORTH Indian (Brahmin, Kshatriyas & Vaisyas)
Dravidian by Birth - Lower caste Dark Skin Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes)
It is a very common and well known fact that across the globe White people feel that they are superior and enslave black people. That is the case in Africa and America too. Even in India even though we Indians had very old civilization then the British. The British people who came here for TRADE enslaved Indians. Same thing happened in Ancient India. Even though Dravidians had a OLDER Civilization, Aryans made them as Sudhras claiming white people are superior and black people are inferior.
People living in Indian Sub-continent who are ALL fair in complexion have mostly Steppe land R1A1 genes in their DNA these people are basically Aryan. More than caste it is the Skin color which decides whether someone is Aryan or Dravidians. People living in Indian Sub-continent who are Dark in complexion have mostly South Asian Hunter Gatherer genes in their DNA these people are Dravidian [Tamils] basically.
Tamils means all Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes) lived/living across Indian sub - continent. Even today, you can see dark skinned and pale dark-skinned people living across India in all places, they were all Tamils only in ancient India. "Justice H N Nagamohan Das Commission panel" says, Indian Vedic philosophy lead to social inequality and caste system, All these happened because of Brahmins, Upanishads, Manusrmiti, and epics like Mahabharata and Ramayana...” the commission said in its July 2020 report, which the BJP government formally accepted.
The panel report also says that people belonging to Dravidian race resided in North India once upon a time. “Many foreign invaders such as ARYANS, Persians, Greeks, Huns, Turks, Mongolians, Europeans etc came and fought against local people. The rulers who won the war developed relations with local women and consequently emerged mixed races”
About Kasthriyas, who ever had the courage and willpower they conquered the land [Still it is very difficult for a Sudhra to achieve this], for them even if they are from lower caste, Brhamins did NOT had any choice. So, Brahmins accepted who ever won the war as Kasthriyas except Muslim. Kasthriya Kings always married fair and good looking girls mostly. So, Kasthriyas community have a mix of Upper caste and lower caste DNAs in them.
The ancient text Manusmriti designate the Shudra as Peasants and Artisans i.e., Farmers and All Craftsman, Shudra is NOT to mean slaves.
Read the following facts about DNA Studies.
Why R1A1 DNA originates in EUROPE, but not in India. why it is it not found or too less in percentage among South Indian people ?
Why M haplogroups DNA is not found in Upper caste Aryans or North Indians ? If found why so less ?
If you have read Vedas there are lots and lots of mention about Horses, then why HORSES are not native to INDIA ?
If Aryans lived in India 5,000 years back means, then why there were NO Horse seals in Harappan IVC sites ?
Why copper hoard culture found only with Aryans, but not with Dravidians ?
Why antenna swords found in Sinauli - India which belongs to BMAC - Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex ?
Haplo M is found among 60% of modern day Indians. It is in every person from south. But here’s the main catch ! It’s only found in depressed classes of northern and tribal peoples of northern India. But, almost to zero to 1-4% among Higher caste Aryans or North Indians.
Just like R1A1 not found in south in the same way south’s M groups are not found among R1A1 peoples of north.
So, it is proved beyond doubt that "ALL upper caste Fair Skin North Indians are ALL ARYANS, and all lower caste Dark Skin Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes) are all Dravidians"
How heavily misinformed you are to not even know the terminologies right.
The term "Arya' is not used for upper caste fair invaders. In Ramayana, Mandodari adresses Ravan as ARYA. Now would you say that Ravana, a very much dark skinned asura who did not even live in North india was also an invader of the aryan race? Arya just meant 'Gentlemen' not a race. And if Ramayan is written by aryans then why would they let Mnadodari use Arya instead of Dasyus?
Similarly dasyus does not mean lower caste tamils. The term itself means people who have no varna because they have done something anti social and cannot classify under varna. And why are you pretending that Tamils are the victims and shudras? I see them enjoying the upper caste status a lot. What about Tamil brahmins? Are they also shudra? If they were colonized an looted why do they still have their scriptures, temples, traditions intact?
If south indians were the first people of North India then why centuries old temples of North have very different architecture from the South? Are you suggesting that the so called aryans first broke down all the temples made by using South Indian architechtural style and then they made Temples according to our own style? And somehow the aryans were also able to remove every single evidence of Tamil being used in the North?
If Ramayan and Mahabharata are the scriptures of "White Invaders Aryans" then why Lord Rama, Bharat and Draupadi, Krishna are described as being dark brown skin? If they were so obssessed with skin then why do you think they made the main characters to be black? Have some sense and stop the propoganda. No, bharatiya people are not giving you a separate country just because of stupid theories to satisfy your ego.
Horse statues and figurines have been found at harappan sites. Did you not see the "Unicorn seal" found there? It looks completely like a horse. What are you talking about?
@@alphonseElric310 Nobody is asking for a separate country in Bharat, read my comment fully I have given enough Scientific evidences including DNA evidences. If you want to argue about any of those evidences you are welcome.
@@alphonseElric310 Horses are NOT native to India is a well established SCIENTIFIC fact NO ONE can deny that, you are talking against the basic fundamentals of Science, correct yourself
You could have also invited Razib to represent the AIT/AMT Side. Viewers could have got more a non-partisan viewpoints.
Why? They are here proving their point...this is not a debate.
Have you watched?
har jgh AMT ko ghusedna jaruri he?
He is no expert.
Razib is a geneticist not a linguist or historian .
If u want a debate on genetic basis of AMT than Razib and Neeraj Rai must be invited .
For a non partisan view in this podcast kushal should have invited Tony Joseph or Miachel Witzel if he agreed to come
Racchit Thapliyal where you at? We agree on a lot, but goddamn the dumbest thing you ever said was how you "don't like/trust linguistics". I guess it's just a Trad thing?
It is what happens when people do not understand world history correctly. The biggest flaw in Srikant Talageri's conclusion is Sanskrit words present outside India are "borrowed words". it shows his wrong understanding of history which is not surprising. The same logic of "borrowed words" is used by INDIAN regional language loonies. Malayalam has 90% Sanskrit words (a so called "dravidian" language). It also means it has more Sanskrit words than Malayalam. So, they "borrowed" more Sanskrit words? Stupid logic.
Point is the root genes "R and M" of Europeans including Russians can be found only in India but not anywhere else. It proves that migration did not happen from outside India.
But did people migrate from India? India is the mother civilization for Sanskrit and Vedas and it is evident from the fact that it still continues through traditional and cultural integration of Vedic metaphysical concepts in the form of temples, deities, rituals, festivals, symbols, Vedic Sanskrit mantras, pilgrimage centers etc even though hindu/vedic civilization ruled the whole world before 4000 BCE.
Point is ancestors of Abrahamic religion followers were so called 'Pagans" (4000 BCE to 700 ACE) and guess who were the ancestors of so called Pagans? Hindu/Vedic people who ruled the whole world before 4000 BCE.
There are 33 types of supreme deities (cosmic allegories for nature, laws of nature, vedic metaphysics)
1. 12 Adityas
2. 11 Rudras
3. 8 vasus
4. 2 Ashwinis
TOTAL = 33 types of deities.
All Abrahamic religions have lifted from the concept of 33 vedic deities (from so called paganism from outside India)- 33 vedic deities is the reason why Jacobs ladder on which angel Gabriel came down to meet Mohammad/ Moses/ pedophile Mormon founder Joseph Smith etc has 33 steps.. 33 vedic deities is the reason why the Islamic rosary called Misbahah , to keep track of counting of Tasbih has 33 beads, to perform dhikr ( tasbeeh/ tahmeed/ takbeer ).. 33 vedic deities is the reason why in precise Torah, Elohim is written 33 times, genesis' story of creation .. Elohim means Canaanite god adopted by Jews.
So, it is foolish to say Vedas came into India only in 1500 BCE and it is also pointless to talk about migration or genetic similarities without understanding this basic history.
East India company (owned then by Jewish bankers) had a political motive to create Aryan race theory which was exported later to Germany through Madame Blavatsky's (another agent of East India company) book "The secret doctrine" which was kept by crypto Jew Hitler under his pillow till the day he disappeared to Argentina.
Hitler's job was to flush all the European Jews into then British controlled Palestine and create an artificial refugee crisis for the creation of a separate Jewish state called ISRAEL. The so called "6 million" Jewish victim propaganda had been happening since 1910 (30 to 5 yr before world war II began and ended). 1 million homos and tribes were put to death in concentration camps to show some head count.
So, truth is much deeper then you can imagine and stop looking at things superficially to push your political narrative.
lol lay of the conspiracy theory crack. 🤣
कुशल प्लिज...ये सब discussion कोई हिंदी मे कर सकता है क्या?
Not all indians are well versed with english
Shuddh Hindi subtitle automatic translate ho rahe hai krupya CZcams ko uldate karke try kare ,
@@vatsalraval thank u...but i meant audio hindi not readable hindi
16:55 I have lived in Russia for 7 years and know Russian pretty well. Never heard these pronouns. Shrikant Talageri is absolutely wrong here.
"English personal pronouns we, you, Sanskrit vay-, yūy-, Avestan vae, yūz, etc., and also Sanskrit: nas, vas, Avestan noh, voh, Russian nas, vas, Latin nos, vos."
Quote from Shrikant sir where he spoke about OIT for MyInd makers back in 2019, he might have made a mistake while remembering it here.
@@pramod_p5 Yeah, that seems to be the case because we have "nash" (ours) and "vash" (yours) in Russian.
Abe wo old russian hai😹, prof se much russi uni ke
off the topic but views on the sexist clothing in women sports.
it isn't sexist... women skin is different from men skin so they require a certain type of fabric and certain clothes for their comfort.
@@xenzorygames4116 i disagree... i thought i am being sexist by looking at womens cloths in a sexual way...but after looking at a few articles i changed my view...
how women skin is different?
@@disappointedindian.7074 uh Women's skin is softer than Men's skin... for your information Men and Women are different not the same...
@@xenzorygames4116 ok...still disagree...try googling...why women sports clothing is/is not sexist.
@@disappointedindian.7074 you should ask women not Google...
Truth is truth Past is past. What happened is happened. You cannot change the past.
Aryans migrated from Central Asian grassland. They were uncivilised. They mainly depended on milk ad milky products. The only vegetation reeds.
Even today they have the inherited traits.
They worship cow
Tend fire for Pooja and call yagna which they made to warm themselves from Siberian cold.
Use the reeds for Pooja.
You are so sure of yourself why don't you go in debate and defeat them and prove your point.
Barbaric steppe nomads become harmless vedic Brahmins by conversion by the local yogis!
@MR map lolll, like races are more or less war loving. Indoaryans don't exist. This racial distinction is not science based. It's a social idea completely.
Out of India theroy makes more sense then AMT. Even in rig vedas they talks about battle of 10kings were king named sudas wins and rest clans fled towards West after their loss.
Alina - hellena - Hellas (Greeks)
Pars hawa - paras - Persia (Iran)
And such 8 other Kings who started their own kingdom later and so we share lot of similar Gods and their stories with ancient Greeks, zoraster and 8 other clans
@MR map haha i am rajput and there are many theroys of my clan being decenders of saka(sythians), indo-irani, white hunas, but they came out of gujjar prathihars and this what genetics shows.
rajputs and not war loving they were in western part of india which was always under continuous attack and so they had to be war loving lol other wise now people dont really care
@@Nonamam the history you have learnt is colonial
@@lll2282 yep similar to mythological story indra ( rain ) deafeat of srbinda ( in rigveda) and term srbenda in slavic languages mean ancestoral Serbians ( old Serbians) , it also means Slavic people origin from Vedic tribe , rigveda said after their deafeat they let loose by flood ( migrated / seprated due to flood) after that their is no mention of them
You let Koenrad talk way too much.
Not only is the Aryan invasion/migration unproven,linguistically the classification into IE and Dravidian language families is based on PIE which is also unproven and in fact based on the AIT because it assumes IE languages had a west to east movement.We are not denying some mixing between central Asian and Indian people sometime or similarity between current IE languages but it has nothing to do with origin of culture in India.Its the continued use of this classification,origin theories and terminology which is bothersome.Continuing to use originally racial terms in linguistics (even if they are very common) is wrong because their genesis is wrong.There’s no ‘Aryan’ or ‘Dravidian’ anywhere in our scriptures.Michael Witzel has been proven wrong so many times it’s not even funny.Everytime there’s a new scientific study,his earlier linguistic theory falls apart.But he soldiers on as if nothing has happened trying to prove ‘history’ based on linguistics.Linguistics is NOT conclusive science.It’s mostly educated guesswork and conjecture and older the civilization,more the conjecture.I hope we have a really comprehensive and extensive study of Indian languages completely independent from western theories.Not against all things western:)) but there’s too much damage and confusion that has already been done by pseudo scientists and agendists about Indian History.We need afresh scientific start for Indian civilizational study and another for languages with very clear definitions and terminology,against a timeline and chronology (an important but often missing element in these discussions)
Greek Gods also same as Indian Gods
Yes. it is because ancestors of Abrahamic religion followers were so called 'Pagans" (4000 BCE to 700 ACE) who followed distorted and diluted hindu/vedic tradition and guess who were the ancestors of so called Pagans? Hindu/Vedic people who ruled the whole world before 4000 BCE.
There are 33 types of supreme deities (cosmic allegories for nature, laws of nature, vedic metaphysics)
1. 12 Adityas
2. 11 Rudras
3. 8 vasus
4. 2 Ashwinis
TOTAL = 33 types of deities.
All Abrahamic religions have lifted from the concept of 33 vedic deities (from so called paganism from outside India)- 33 vedic deities is the reason why Jacobs ladder on which angel Gabriel came down to meet Mohammad/ Moses/ pedophile Mormon founder Joseph Smith etc has 33 steps.. 33 vedic deities is the reason why the Islamic rosary called Misbahah , to keep track of counting of Tasbih has 33 beads, to perform dhikr ( tasbeeh/ tahmeed/ takbeer ).. 33 vedic deities is the reason why in precise Torah, Elohim is written 33 times, genesis' story of creation .. Elohim means Canaanite god adopted by Jews.
look at Iran the Aryan invasion did happen
Yeah great job having a "debate" without having the other side present.
What an effing tool.
At least get Razib Khan on this panel to ask intelligent questions.
Exactly
@@darkprince2490 bad take. Everyone shall be involved in the debate.
@DEVVRAT MISHRA how? cos all the ancient and present DNA studies point to the opposite.
If u want a debate than it must happen between Razib Khan and Neeraj Rai .
Both are geneticist .
Razib is niether a linguist or a historian .
In this case it must be Tony Joseph or Miachel Witzel against talegiri ji and Elst ji .
Debates are only fruit ful when both participants have the knowledge of that particular field .
Varna poorva paksha kaise karoge .
@@aatish13 Ha ha ancient DNA .
Dude there is very very little ancient DNA to prove for or against AMT .
Even Rakhigarhi sample made it more complex so much so that geneticist are divided .
Sanskrit and Vedic belongs to Jatt Sikhs
lol sanskrit belongs to almost entire india , vedic belongs to hindus sikh have diffrent relgion they wont follow vedas
@@lll2282 he's obviously joking
Jatts are scythians and lower Aryans. They are obc's
@@bhuvaneshs.k638
But most of them do have superiority complex because they are mostly light skinned..I argued with them before and talking bad about other dark skinned South Asians.
@@ralph6417 they r idiots ... Skin colour has least to do with race... two of them can be black and come from different Ethnicity.
Ppl who think skin colour matters r joke
Aryan and Dravidian race theory is 100% true. Only thing its NOT Aryan Invasion rather it is just Aryan migration.
Aryans are called as Devas
Dravidian's are called Asuras
Aryan Gods - Lord Indra, Lord Varuna, Lord Vayu, Lord Brahma & Lord Ram
Dravidian Gods - Shiva, Visnu, Krishna & Karthikeya
In Four Vedas there is NO Mention about Lord Shiva, Lord Vishnu [Thiru Maal] & Lord Subramanian [Murugan]. In Vedas they only worship Lord Indra, Lord Varuna & Lord Vayu. In Rig Veda they mention about Lord Rudra but he is NOT Lord Shiva. There is NO Place where they mentioned about Lord Shiva or Linga. These are all Tamil gods Lord Shiva, Lord Thiru maal [Vishnu] & Lord Murugan [Subramanian] are all ancient Tamils lived in Tamil Land.
Aryan by Birth - Ram, Lakshman
Dravidian by Birth - Ravan, Shiva, Visnu, Krishna & Karthikeya
Aryan Language - Sanskrit
Dravidian Language - Tamil
Aryan [Sankrit] Grammar - Panini’s Astadhyayi
Dravidan [Tamil] Grammar - Tholkaappiyam [Still available]
Panini did not mention the name of even a single earlier Sanskrit grammar which he has followed. The names he mentioned as earlier Sanskrit grammarians are originally Prakrit and Pali grammarians. Prakrit and Pali grammarians have followed Aindhra grammar which is followed by Tholkaappiyar. Tholkapiyar clearly states that there are numerous Tamil Grammar works prior to his Tholkappiyam and he followed Aindharam Grammar for his work. Akathiyar also wrote a grammar for Tamil. Tharanath ,the Tibet scholar has clearly stated that Aindhiram was a Tamil grammar. Sari Buddha had studied Aindhiram.
Aryan by Birth - Bramins
Dravidian by Birth - Sudras [Tamils - please note Tamils lived through out India]
Etymology of the word Bramin [பேர் அமணன் -> பிராமணன் -> பிராமின் ] Payrr Ammanan -> Brahmanan -> Bramin. Its a Pure Tamil word given as Title to people who gained enormous wisdom in their life. In later days this title name was stolen by Aryan Bramins and made it as a varna by Birth.
Sanghis will tell that Ravana was a Bramin, Ravana is Asura [Dravidian] by birth and Bramin is his title name. He is a master of 10 different science
Etymology for the name Krishna [ கருதினன் -> கிருத்தினன் -> கிருஷ்ணா ] Karuthinan → Kirutinan → Krishna . Karuthinan means man of philosophy its a Title given to Krishna
We all know that Krishna is Dark in Complexion and he is a Cow herder he is a Tamil.
Rig Veda has several references to blonde haired Indra destroying Dark skinned Asuras [Dravidian's]. If you read most of the Sanskrit puranas you can notice that its all about Fight between Aryans and Dravidians [Devas and Asuras]
Language naturally evolves over 1000s of years it can NOT be invented by one single guy Agathiyar, Tamil language is NOT invented by Agathiyar as told by PERVERTED Sanskrit Myth, one has to Talk with scientific facts should NOT vomit PERVERTED Sanskrit Myths. Just like Tholkappiyar Agathiyar also wrote grammar for Tamil in ancient times thats it.
Tamil is older then Sanskrit. Its actually Tamil root words which are there in Sanskrit, NOT the other way around. Recent [year 2020] excavation in Keezadi have written Tamil inscription which is older than 2500 years. But on the other hand Sanskrit didn't even had a script to write until 4 CE note it is CE not BCE, it adopted devanagari script in 4 CE and started writing puranas like Ramayana ... etc. Prior to this Sanskrit Vedas were transferred to next generation only orally, they said it is very sacred and only Brahmins have to recite it
Google - Mayiladumparai Excavation in Tamil Nadu - Tamils knew use of iron 4,000 years ago, archaeological findings show
Google - Porunai civilisation is 3,200 years old
Tamils do not have Vedic culture roots, their roots are different. Vedic culture is a third rated culture. Sanskrit is full of third rated SEXUALLY PERVERTED mythological stories for Lord Shiva, Indra, Ayyappa and for lots of Rishis. You can not find one such sexually perverted literature in Tamil. Sanskrit is full of Racial Abuse and Racial discrimination based on birth like Manusimriti. You wont find any such discrimination in Tamil literature
Thiruvalluvar in Thiru Kural says all Living Things are equal [Not just humans] (பிறப்பொக்கும் எல்லா உயிர்க்கும் சிறப்பொவ்வா செய்தொழில் வேற்றுமை யான் - திருக்குறள் 972). But in Sanskrit Manusmriti, manu discriminate people based on birth called Varna, Manusimriti is full of Racial Abuse and Racial discrimination based on birth.
Tamils have the culture of worshiping there fore fathers that is how they are worshiping Siva, Thiru Maal [Vishnu] & Murugan [Subramanian]. Aryan Brahmins stolen Tamil's gods and and inserted FULLY SEXUALLY PERVERTED STORIES in later days for our gods like Vishnu Purana, Shiva Purana, Skanda Purana ... etc Now some idiots are even saying Lord Shiva don't understand Tamil and so we have to worship him only in Sanskrit. Lord Siva himself is a Tamil
Tamil too have Sanskrit words its due to Sanskrit became sole authority for Hinduism and for Tamil Gods also. By stealing Tamils gods Sanskrit started influencing Tamil by way Varnasrama by saying Brahmins are great and they are born from Brahmas head. You have to respect Brahmin and you have to allow them to worship your gods in their language Sanskrit.
Google - Tamil and Australian aboriginal languages
மார் சுபிகள் Marsupial is a A word found in Australian Aboriginals language for Kangaroo kids. Marsupial in Tamil means Breast Suckers, Small Kangaroo kids will grow inside Mother Kangaroos waist bag by sucking milk from its mothers breast. English language derived this word from Australian Aborginals language, This word is more than 10,000 years old it's a pure Tamil word.
Archaeological experts all over the world says that Indus valley civilization is a Dravidian civilization, but here in India Sanghis says its a vedic civilization but they do NOT Have any proof for their claim.
Indus script - Wikipedia
The Russian scholar Yuri Knorozov suggested, based on computer analysis, a Dravidian language as the most likely candidate for the underlying language of the script.[40] Knorozov's suggestion was preceded by the work of Henry Heras, who also suggested several readings of signs based on a proto-Dravidian assumption. [41]
Oldest available work in Sanskrit [Note it is only oral No written records] is Rig veda, it has been etymologically proved that there are many loaned Tamil words in Rig veda that proves the pre existence of Tamil during the period of Rig veda
Substrata in the Vedic language - Wikipedia
There are an estimated thirty to forty Dravidian loanwords in Vedic. [26] Those for which Dravidian etymologies are proposed by Zvelebil include कुलाय kulāya "nest", कुल्फ kulpha "ankle", दण्ड daṇḍa "stick", कूल kūla "slope", बिल bila "hollow", खल khala "threshing floor". [24]
Written By - Sampath Kumar Natarajan
@SAMRAT_OF_SKELETONS I have read not just Basic Fundamentals but even the Advanced fundamentals of Aryan Invasion / Migration Theory in details
Read the following write up to know more about Aryan Invasion / Migration theory. After reading this I invite you to DEBATE about this theory IF YOU CAN. The theory here it goes
Some people say "Aryan and Dravidian race is a complete hoax", but the whole world knows that India have two distinct major linguistic group namely Indo-Aryan [Indo-European] and Dravidian Language group, namely Sanskrit and Tamil. Even though the word Dravidian coined only in later days, since it is used to represent a Distinct linguistic group. We say it as Aryan and Dravidian races namely Aryans and Ancient Tamils. NO ONE CAN DENY this fact, so "Aryan and Dravidian race is NOT a hoax"
In recent decades, the idea of an Aryan migration into India has been disputed only by Indian scholars, who claim Indigenous Aryans scenarios [Only because they do NOT want to be identified as OUTSIDERS to India]. However, these alternate scenarios are rooted in traditional and religious views on Indian history and identity and are universally rejected in mainstream scholars. Iranians are the original Aryans who invaded India from the west, this what we call it as ARYAN Invasion / Migration.
The country Name Iran itself means "Land of the Aryans" and Iranshahr. The very close relation between Iranian and Indo-Aryan groups has never been doubted. They share linguistic features to such a degree that Indo-Iranian is generally described as a distinct subgroup of Indo-European. The term Arya has been used by the Iranian people, as well as by the rulers and emperors of Iran, from the time of the Avesta.
The well-attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit, Avestan and Old Persian. Sanskrit and Avestan are very closely related languages with exact grammatical principles and numerous cognates [Blood Relative]. You can find words which are exactly identical, like Sanskrit/Avestan naman (name), ushtra (camel) etc.
The list of Vedic Sanskrit gods are - Indra, Varuna, Mitra, Soma, Rudra, Vishnu & Agni.
The list of Mittani [Syria] gods are - Indra, Varuna, Mitra and Nasatyas (Ashvins)
This proves that Vedic Sanskrit gods are similar to that of Mittani [Syria] gods. And Mittani language being older than Sanskrit proves that Rigveda originated in Syria / Iran and then moved to India.
Language, literature, epics & poems evolves every century. In Vedic/Hindu literature, Asuras (Ahuras) are bad guys while Devas are heroes. In Zoroastrian/Persian literature, Ahuras (Asuras) are heroes while Daevas are the villains.
When the Vedic Aryans moved further, they arrived in the Indian subcontinent they were faced by the native Dravidians, Dravidians that got conquered were placed as low caste in Vedic Aryan society. The Vedic Aryans continued to call the enemy as “Asuras", but the description of the Asuras changed to Dravidians (i e. present day south-Indians) with dark skin, large facial hair etc.
This is another proof for Rigveda evolving in Syria / Iran [Persia] and moved to Indian sub-continent. Initially Asuras (Ahuras) were referring to Zoroastrian/Persian and in later days Asuras were used to refer Dravidians.
We have all the proofs for Aryan invasion in Rig Veda itself. Dasyus were the people who lived in India when the Aryans arrived here. They were having a dark-skin and flat noses. Battles depicted in the R̥gveda are directly referring to Aryans migrating into India which is native land of dark skinned people Dravidians. Rig Veda - Dasa: 54 hymns and 63 verses and Dasyus: 65 hymns, 80 verses. The accounts of conflict between the Aryans and the Dasas and Dasyus are acknowledged in Rig Veda.
Rig Veda describes that Dasas and Dasyus were people who do not perform sacrifices. Aryans had to fight with these people for land. The Aryans defeated them and did not treat them well. The Aryan chief who overpowered Dasyus were called dasyuhatya (slaughter of the dasyus) this is repeatedly mentioned in the Rig Veda.
Read the following to know more on this same subject
Aryan by Birth - Upper Caste Fair Skin NORTH Indian (Brahmin, Kshatriyas & Vaisyas)
Dravidian by Birth - Lower caste Dark Skin Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes)
It is a very common and well known fact that across the globe White people feel that they are superior and enslave black people. That is the case in Africa and America too. Even in India even though we Indians had very old civilization then the British. The British people who came here for TRADE enslaved Indians. Same thing happened in Ancient India. Even though Dravidians had a OLDER Civilization, Aryans made them as Sudhras claiming white people are superior and black people are inferior.
People living in Indian Sub-continent who are ALL fair in complexion have mostly Steppe land R1A1 genes in their DNA these people are basically Aryan. More than caste it is the Skin color which decides whether someone is Aryan or Dravidians. People living in Indian Sub-continent who are Dark in complexion have mostly South Asian Hunter Gatherer genes in their DNA these people are Dravidian [Tamils] basically.
Tamils means all Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes) lived/living across Indian sub - continent. Even today, you can see dark skinned and pale dark-skinned people living across India in all places, they were all Tamils only in ancient India. "Justice H N Nagamohan Das Commission panel" says, Indian Vedic philosophy lead to social inequality and caste system, All these happened because of Brahmins, Upanishads, Manusrmiti, and epics like Mahabharata and Ramayana...” the commission said in its July 2020 report, which the BJP government formally accepted.
The panel report also says that people belonging to Dravidian race resided in North India once upon a time. “Many foreign invaders such as ARYANS, Persians, Greeks, Huns, Turks, Mongolians, Europeans etc came and fought against local people. The rulers who won the war developed relations with local women and consequently emerged mixed races”
About Kasthriyas, who ever had the courage and willpower they conquered the land [Still it is very difficult for a Sudhra to achieve this], for them even if they are from lower caste, Brhamins did NOT had any choice. So, Brahmins accepted who ever won the war as Kasthriyas except Muslim. Kasthriya Kings always married fair and good looking girls mostly. So, Kasthriyas community have a mix of Upper caste and lower caste DNAs in them.
The ancient text Manusmriti designate the Shudra as Peasants and Artisans i.e., Farmers and All Craftsman, Shudra is NOT to mean slaves.
Read the following facts about DNA Studies.
Why R1A1 DNA originates in EUROPE, but not in India. why it is it not found or too less in percentage among South Indian people ?
Why M haplogroups DNA is not found in Upper caste Aryans or North Indians ? If found why so less ?
If you have read Vedas there are lots and lots of mention about Horses, then why HORSES are not native to INDIA ?
If Aryans lived in India 5,000 years back means, then why there were NO Horse seals in Harappan IVC sites ?
Why copper hoard culture found only with Aryans, but not with Dravidians ?
Why antenna swords found in Sinauli - India which belongs to BMAC - Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex ?
Haplo M is found among 60% of modern day Indians. It is in every person from south. But here’s the main catch ! It’s only found in depressed classes of northern and tribal peoples of northern India. But, almost to zero to 1-4% among Higher caste Aryans or North Indians.
Just like R1A1 not found in south in the same way south’s M groups are not found among R1A1 peoples of north.
So, it is proved beyond doubt that "ALL upper caste Fair Skin North Indians are ALL ARYANS, and all lower caste Dark Skin Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes) are all Dravidians"
@SAMRAT_OF_SKELETONS Point here is Indo Aryans are outsiders and Sanskrit language and Rig Veda originated OUTSIDE of India period
@SAMRAT_OF_SKELETONS Your above statement proves the quality of your birth and also proves that you don't have anything substantial to argue with me
DUNIYA KE SAB SE PEHLE INSAAN PAIGAMBAR ADAM AS AASMAN SE ZAMEEN PAR SRILANKA ME UTREY THEY OR YAHI SE PURI DUNIYA ME INSAAN MIGRAT HUVA THA,
IS LIYE TO RAKHIGHADI KE KANKAL ME DRAVIDIAN KA DNA MILTA HE..
Chup Bhosadike 😂😂😂. Adam kalpanik hai jo kabhi the hi nahi
@@kanishkgulwadi9245 TEEN TEEN DHARM KE LOG ADAM KO MANTE HE, YAHUDI CRISTIAN ISLAM OR AAP ADAM KALPANIK HE AISI BAAT KARTE HO, AREY JARA SOCHO ISLAM DHARAM PURI DUNIYA ME HE OR AAPKA SIRF BHARAT OR NEPAL ME HI HE ISSE PATA CHAL JATA HE KON SAHI HE OR KON GALAT
Aryan by Birth - Brahmin, Kshatriyas & Vaisyas
Dravidian by Birth - Sudras & Paraiahs (Dalits)
Truth is ALL upper caste North Indians are ALL ARYANS, and all lower caste Sudras & Paraiahs (Dalits) are all Dravidians.
People living in Indian Sub continent who are ALL fair in complexion have mostly Steppeland genes in their DNA these people are basically Aryan. People living in Indian Sub continent who are Dark in complexion have mostly South Asian Hunter Gatherer genes in their DNA these people are Dravidian [Tamils] basically.
Tamils means NOT the current day Tamil Nadu state people alone, they represent all Sudras & Praiahas [Dalit] lived across Indian sub - continent. Even today, you can see dark skinned and pale dark skinned people living in North, South, East & West of India, they were all Tamils only in ancient India.
The ancient text Manusimriti designate the Shudra as Peasants and Artisans i.e. Farmers and All Craftsman, Shudra is NOT to mean slaves.
Read the following facts about DNA Studies.
Why R1A1 DNA originates in EUROPE, but not in india. why it is it not found or too less in percentage among South Indian people ?
Why M haplogroups DNA is not found in Upper caste Aryans or North indians ? If found why so less ?
If you have read Vedas there are lots of mention about a food made of Horse meat, then why HORSES are not native to INDIA ?
Why copper hoard culture found only with Aryans, but not with Dravidians ?
Why antenna swords found in Sinauli - India which belongs to BMAC - Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex ?
Haplo M is found among 60% of modern day indians. It is in every person from south. But here’s the main catch ! It’s only found in depressed classes of northern and tribal peoples of northen india. But, almost to zero to 1-4% among Higher caste Aryans or North indians.
Just like R1A1 not found in south in the same way south’s M groups are not found among R1A1 peoples of north.
So, it is proved beyond doubt that "ALL upper caste North Indians are ALL ARYANS, and all lower caste Sudras & Paraiahs (Dalits) are all Dravidians"
R1a is found in Kota, Chenchu and Kodava Dravidian tribes in high frequency. Dravidian is a linguistic identity not some race, if you r mother tongue is a Dravidian language you're a Dravidian if it's IE the. You're an Indo-European
Many lower castes are Aryans the Yadavas, Moryas, Kols, Paswans carry high frequency of R1a and they r even mentioned in Vedic texts as Aryan clans. They were Non Vedic Aryans.
R1a as per Khivslid et al (2003,2015) & Sharma et al (2009) and many other papers originated in India. R1a has nothing to do with IE languages. Languages have nothing to do with genetics can u explain spread of English language through Genetics??? Obviously not.
How can two right wing proponets of out of India debate. You need decent academia to debate.
Sanjay Dixit put forward an open challenge with price of 2Cr Rs. But nobody could prove Aryan Migration Theory.
Now shut up…🙂
@@BheemNationalist I have put a 10 crore challenge to prove it wrong. Nobody could prove it wrong. So shut up!
@@sgn9754
First go and hear their conversations..
@@BheemNationalist I only hear to people who are qualified in their field and not some random person.
@@sgn9754
Then listen to Neeraj Rai…
He’s an expert…😂
It's RSS propoganda
Proove it
Why?
Ok then give any argument 😂😂 😂.