Does New Research Prove Collagen Protein is NOT Worth the Hype?
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0:00 - Intro
2:13 - The Evidence for Collagen
5:50 - Is Collagen a Scam?
7:00 - Get Grass-Finished Meat Delivered to Your Doorstep with Butcher Box!
7:54 - This is What Happens After Consuming Collagen
I have inherited muscle dystrophy and it’s affecting my joints, it’s affecting my joints and particularly my knees , they used to swell up ,creaky and pain but as soon as I started my collagen supplementation they after a year have gone back to normal. I’m 69 years old. Collagen does work. Don’t need knee surgery!
Are you sure you just didn't need more protein?
Placebo works better than anything.
What form of MD do you have?
I had the same experience. Joint pain, gut issues gone and an additional benefit has been beautiful skin.
I am 61. I use college and my skin is gorgeous as my hair and nails grow long and thick!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🧪 Understanding Collagen Protein
- Collagen is often criticized for being just a mix of amino acids, but it's more complex than that.
- Collagen consists of specific bioactive peptides that have unique effects on the body.
- The argument that collagen is unnecessary if you consume enough amino acids from other protein sources is oversimplified.
02:21 🌟 Collagen and Skin Health
- A meta-analysis of 19 studies with over 1100 participants showed that collagen supplementation significantly improved wrinkles and skin health.
- Collagen acts differently from other proteins and has specific benefits for skin.
03:32 💪 Collagen and Bone Health
- A study with 131 participants found that collagen supplementation led to increased bone mineral density and bone formation markers.
- Collagen peptides can positively impact bone health by promoting bone formation and reducing degradation.
04:27 🦴 Collagen for Joint Health
- Collagen supplementation was associated with a reduced score on the wac score, indicating improved stiffness in joints.
- Collagen can help alleviate joint stiffness, even if pain remains a separate issue.
05:23 ❤️ Collagen and Heart Health
- Consuming collagen peptides resulted in a reduction in toxic Advanced cation in product formation and arterial stiffness.
- Collagen may contribute to better heart health due to its role in connective tissues.
08:12 🍽️ Collagen Absorption and Supplements
- Hydrolyzed collagen supplements can lead to a significant increase in serum levels of collagen-specific amino acids.
- While food sources are ideal, supplements can provide extra benefits for specific needs, such as skin or joint health.
09:35 🔬 Understanding Bioactive Peptides
- Bioactive peptides in collagen act as signaling molecules, directing collagen to where it's needed in the body.
- These peptides trigger gene expression related to collagen formation, aiding in repair and maintenance.
11:51 🍔 Natural Collagen Sources
- Instead of relying solely on supplements, consider incorporating collagen-rich foods like ground beef into your diet.
- Collagen is not a scam; it plays a crucial role in tissue repair and maintenance.
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Wow this is amazing thank you so much!
Well done.
🙏
Dude you just saved me so much time. You rock❤
Thank you!!!!
I am 73. I started using collagen about 6 months ago. My nails are stronger - am able to grow them for the first time in my life. My hair is thicker and my skin healthier. I'm getting physically younger! This is not an ad!
What kind of collagen are you taking?
If you want results, you have to!!! and have a clean miche good protein preferably vegetable plenty of sleep and good recovery ... And that's it, without hard work you won't gain anything, I've gotI'm 48 years old and I've built my muscles by working hard, it's a wonderful feeling, the more you work, the more you want to....:)))
Which collagen supplements have you been taking?
I have competed in the Olympic games and track and field, and I'm now 60 years old. I have been coaching athletes for the last 30 years to make Olympic teams and set world records. One of the most outstanding things that I have ever seen in connective tissue strengthening and recovery for myself and other athletes, was to add collagen along with whey protein. Collagen has more l-glutamine than whey protein when it comes to amino acid breakdown, and over the last 30 years, I have personally had over 100 people tell me how much their joints feel better after using collagen peptides. I hold several world records for the age group in track and field. I am coaching an athlete on his nutrition who is 53 years old and just set the world record in the 200m for the over 50 athletes, and yes he is using collagen. Olympic athlete Wyndell Dickinson
Collagen has helped my hair grow longer and healthier than it’s ever been! I’m 51.
Interesting, glad it's working for you. Were you also taking any form of silica, elastin, or minerals?
Same. Started on the collagen and my hair is growing nice and thick and even my eye lashes, brows and beard is coming in thicker. Have also started on silica too.
Which Collagen have supplements have you been taking?
I tore my meniscus a two years ago and was completely unable to be active for 8 months and at that point I decided not to do surgery but rather use heat, redlight therapy, vascular dilation via cinnamon and beet poweder along with with eating ground up cartilage and collagen. I made a full recovery and can hammer out 24 mile hikes again.
That's awesome you where able to reverse it. How did you grind up your own cartilage and collagen? What did you use? I want to do this also, thank you
@@satcomunication just used a meat grinder ( for burger and such ). I also just chewed it until it was basically liquid enough to be absorbed.
@@NW-Sasquatch-Research cool, where did you get the cartilage? I'm having a hard time finding it
@@satcomunication whole chickens and pork shoulder, we also get it from our butcher as we split a cow with another family.
@NW-Sasquatch-Research good to know about the whole chickens I never even thought about it, same with pork shoulder. Thank you
I take an amino acid complex all week and collagen 5 days a week. Prior to this regimen I had body aches and pains, hair loss, and poor muscle retention. At 45 years old I'm near peak overall performance for my age.
Can you specify what you use for your amino acid complex - and do you use that on your collagen off-days?
I'm 71 and have played the guitar -- finger-pick style -- since I was a teenager. When I turned 60, my nails could not keep up, and they became very thin and brittle. I tried all kinds of things including Biotin and topical oils, but nothing made them stronger. Playing classical guitar without nails is not very enjoyable.
Nine months ago I started taking Collage Peptides -- 5g morning & evening. Within a couple of weeks I noticed a significant improvement in nail strength. My nails are now very strong, grow quickly, and I can finger-pick like I did in my 40's. So -- for me, anyway -- Collagen Peptides are my ticket to strong nails. Also, they're inexpensive and simple to use (compared to eating meat regularly): a tablespoon in my morning coffee and another in my evening tea. Playing guitar has never been more enjoyable.
Never put that guitar down, young man!
Glad it worked! You might try a product with silica and hydrolyzed elastin. May give you additional benefits.
which collagen peptides did you start taking?
I'm so happy that you did a video on collagen ! I have supplemented it and my arthritis stiffness and pain has lessened considerably. I feel better when i pair it with keto !
I am 58 years old and feel worlds better than i did in my 30's.
Which brand of Collagen do you take? I'm asking to see if theres anything that can help me with my lower back pain stiffness and joint pain...also osteoarthritis in my hips :(
Which collagen supplements have you been taking?
One thing collagen definitely does is reduce skin dryness and increases smoothness and general health of skin. Substantial and lasting improvement within a week of taking it for me.
How do you conclude skin looks better in general? do you take before & after high resolution close up photos with the same lighting condition?
I know by how it feels.
Somebody is attempting to throw shade on the anecdotes of others by demanding scientifically measurable forms of evidence.
Haters gonna hate.
yes people may not see a difference if you are still spending hours out in the sun. no amount of collagen will help with the dryness.
@@bass1bone Fortunately, for the haters there are *seven* systematic reviews/meta-analyses published. There isn't much doubt any more that collagen causes skin to become more hydrated, elastic, & less wrinkled.
I'll be dry scooping that white powder as long as I can afford it and it's still available
Me too!!
Cocaine?
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Phenibut ?
@@Joe_C.white powder keeps us svelte & spry!
@@LaciRae, and "energized"! 😜
I’m 60 & in great shape. A few years ago I started getting crepey skin on forearms & thighs. I started supplementing collagen & after a few months….. no more crepey skin. Great, informative video.
Which collagen supplements have you been taking?
Amazing video Thomas
Thank you for the information
I’m taking collagen and see a huge difference, exactly what you say in the studies you talk about ❤
Thanks so much for covering this research. I started taking collagen supplements several years ago, and the benefits were so clear that I just ignored all the naysayers. I don't pretend to know more than doctors or scientists; but just because the medical profession doesn't know *why* something works a certain way doesn't mean that it doesn't work. It just means they don't yet know the reason it does. I'm very skeptical of medical professionals insisting that their knowledge of the human body and nutrition is complete and unquestionable when we know there's still a lot that is unknown.
which collage supplements did you start taking?
Is marine collagen as good for this as bovine collagen? Thank you!
I love your videos and they have helped me out a lot different health avenues. I watched this twice, but I'm still having trouble understanding, if I am not getting enough collagen peptide supplements? Or is that a scam
“Eat ground beef, eat burgers.”
No please Thomas… don’t twist my arm. 😂
wish i could. histamines in ground beef swell up my joints.
@@balla4544 same here
@balla4544 histamine intolerance is a symptom of copper deficiency.
This was great info. I saw info that says the effects of collagen are enhanced with Vit C. The one I am using tastes terrible but has the C. Do you have a rec.
I am taking it while on wt loss prog to help skin loosening.
So it's ok to consume collagen powder with my whey protein powder? I kept them separate because I as afraid collagen may not be absorbed well.
I have been supplementing with around 10 grams of glycine, 3 of taurine and getting my other collagen things from eating chicken with skin on and sardines.
Interesting. What effects do you notice? Glycine really seems to be a useful supp. Tastes good too.
@@presence5426 Probably the most noticable so far is getting really good night sleeps, like through the night 8-9 hours, where before the supplementation it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for me to wake up in the middle of the night and struggle to get back to sleep.
I feel like my skin feels softer too? like in a good way, less dried out maybe.
With all the different supplements out there, what is a good (doesn't have to be a brand) type of collagen/collagen peptide to take? Any collagen supplement, or what's the best maximized type?
I am on a grain free diet and can not have a lot of meat do to kidney issues. My skin, elastic and joints have become frail.. once I started taking collagen peptides after 3 weeks I felt and can see a huge difference. I also drink viteman c with it
This is a new chapter for me to process and learn. Thank you so much 👍🙏👍 !
Which is the best type of collagen supplement for the knees: type I, type II or type III ?
so what's the nutritional and functional difference between collagen and gelatin?
Always appreciate the updates 🙌🏼
My mother never used collagen and she has not taken care of her hands because they will always crack and she's diabetic which that doesn't help. I told her star taking collagen and three weeks later her hands were not cracked anymore and she still doesn't use lotion that often and she has not tried any other new lotion that would have made a difference. So yes it was from the collagen and my dad has arthritis and it has helped him. When I get injured I take a higher dose of l lysyne and i take my collagen supplement, it just extra dose of l lysyne but i dont over do the amount. and I'm better in a week or two. If I don't do it, it will take me a couple of months in healing. I always have had problems with healing and I take all my vitamins.
*Im 29 and have been ising collagen for 6 months. No noticible changes so far. Am I simply too toung or is collagen more preventive at my age?*
You are absolutely amazing! I never/rarely miss a video.
Moriamin. Or Moriamin forte. What can you say about this amino acid formula?
What is a good collagen brand? I am considering multi collagen protein by ancient nutrition. I have never tried collagen before. Thanks.
I have EPI and need to take UC ll collagen for my immune system, injuries, and many other health conditions.
I take 1 & 3 separately as they must be take apart from UC II. 1&3 Skin, Hair, Nails is nice but my body needs it since having malabsorbtion I take them with Revive Greens/Reds and the Ancient Brand collagen no flavor with my Creon and try to get the best out if it. I feel better when I do take it especially in my gut.
Excellent!
Thank you for the detailed breakdown.
Very helpful!
Just beware there are a lot of errors. But taking collagen is a good idea.
If I take a scoop of collagen my skin is noticeably more healthy/youthful the next day. It's gotta be doing something good.
Maybe it's placebo?
My grandchildren marvel at my rollerball elbows. 😂If I skip it awhile, big difference! Face and all skin is much softer.
@@jthorp1527 Maybe some people need it more than others.
Brand which type?
The next day? Really?
Would you say colostrum is a good alternative? I read that but I’m feeling a difference between the two.
Wondering if it just takes time, or should I go back to collagen?
Maybe. Colostrum is interesting and possibly therapeutic. Different bioactive proteins though. I'd take it on an empty stomach, and I'd check the quality of the product carefully. Rotating them (colostrum vs. collagen) might be good.
The best solution is eating low quality ground beef, as it has lots of connecting tissue😊
I’m 43 and had occasional finger joint pain (especially the finger I sprainedyears ago). Started taking collagen, and some time after I noticed that I don’t ever have this ache now.
I am 56 and after a year of no running, I ran three miles with no pain last week. I've been taking collagen for about 4 years. I KNOW it's beneficial.
dream on
Can you please share what type of collagen supplements u take thank you 😊
@@Glockhead1 @leeannr6081 The mountain of anecdotal information, combined with hundreds of scientific studies, leave little doubt that collagen works. Before I started studying collagen, I had tried it and could see the difference.
Have you done a video on colostrum? I’m curious! Thanks
Thanks for the video! I actually would appreciate you evaluated the form of collagen supp product to look for, collagen is not just collagen, there are different forms of it. Not everybody eats meat, in fact, less and less r people. However, finding the highest-value collagen is a struggle by itself. This would be the topic for a separate video, Thomas!
Don't be fooled by the political vegan scheme the government has going. Meat is a must! And One of the biggest industries in the world!!
Hello from Europe Mr Thomas. I like your channel and as long as you keep providing unbiased content i will continue following. The minute you stop beeing truthfull and unbiased i will never listen to you ever again. This is a great chanel keep doing the research for us. Great work. Great info. Nothing wrong with branding and marketing as ling as it doesnt affect INTEGRETY so market all the brands you need and want i dont mind as long as they are beneficial and dont affect integreaty. Thanks and support ❤
The headline scared me, but the content was just what I wanted to hear. Excellent news!
Collagen has been so good to me. Keto helped my skin but when I started taking collagen, it finally cleared up entirely.
Collagen in any form is useful. I started using it as chicken bone broth some years back & it returned functiin after increasingly disabling arthritis. Additionally going low carb has put it into remission. Adding in bovine & marine collagen peptide powder brought additional benefits to my nails, hair & skin, & I can only assume this is likewise internally. We now eat casseroled lamb shanks, pork hocks, chicken on bone etc in adfitiin to the peptides, which are so hanfy for travelling or warmer weatjer, just in coffee or sprinkled in food or drink. Pain & lack of function, & likewise cessation of pain & return of function, are great teachers, if we choose to listen.
Yes! Bone broth is a fantastic food and supplement. I've been making it for my mom for about 10 years now and she has no issues with her joints. She's a 70 year old senior who lives at a 5 floor without elevator, walks her 10k+ steps a day and never has joint pains. Couple of years ago she fell and had so called "typical wrist fracture" (it's when we instinctively bend our wrist in a fall to help absorb the fall), she had both bones broken and needed an operation. She recovered quickly from that and when we went to the physycal therapy 2 months after operation, the doctor said: I don't need you here, You have full range of motion in place. People can say all they want about bone broth being a placebo, but I will swear by it. When I see how other seniors her age struggle just to walk with their stiff, achy joints, it breaks my heart to see how they struggle to do these mundane activities. And then I look at my mother who doesn't have these issues I'm happy that we made her religiously drink her cup of bone broth a day for a decade and ignored the simplictic sentiment of "oh it's just a protein".
Can you name the bovine/marine collagen peptide powders youre using?
I find Ancient Nutrition chicken bone broth protein powder to be very nice as well. Easier to digest as a protein powder than whey, with the added benefits of having collagen. Not tasty in the slightest and less versatile than whey, but in a fruit smoothie its pleasant in its own way.
@@SuWoopSparrow I'm assuming that You've asked me about the products I'm using and I'm happy to share! We mostly rely on home made chicken bone broth as it is the cheapest way for us to ensure constant supply of collagen for daily consumption, and also it is more nutritios way of consuming collagen as it comes packaged with other nutrients such as glucosamine, chondroitin and other goodies that leech from bones in the broth. Most of the times I "stretch" out my bone broth batch by adding some gelatin soaked in water to my cup of bone broth. Paralel to bone broth consumption I add a small scoop (5-6 g) of Myprotein brand collagen peptides to coffee, coffee alternative and cacao drinks, but these are not super regular unlike daily bone broth. So, in essence, it is (1) home made strong bone broth, (2) gelatin and (3) Myprotein collagen peptides in occasion.
@@natalie5334 Thank you!
I suspect it's the same as Creatine and other supplements if one already has sufficient stores in one's own body. I take Collagen Peptides for my joints, where years of PT and mobility exercises failed to decrease the pain and noise (snap, crackle and pop, but not a breakfast cereal). Candidate for surgery, but wanted to try Collagen Peptides first and over time (as all supplementation is not a short cut) the same level of PT and mobility exercises succeeded. I can do deep asian squats and full hip flexion without pain and also no joint noise. Separately, I'd also been treating my NAFLD with NAC in combination with the Glycine (about 4g) in Collagen Peptides. My liver health markers has improved greatly. One might argue that the lack of pain allows me to exercise more, but there have been a lot of studies about Glycine and NAC producing Glutathione. Even if Collagen never helps muscle gain (already take whey protein for that and have for some time), the rest of the benefits I have experienced is worth the expense.
I have noticed that, since starting on collagen each morning, that I have less stiffness in my hands, even when they’re feeling cold.
Do I have fewer wrinkles? I wish I could say yes, but, uh, at 76 I’m not sure that’s a good question - or fair one. 😂 I’m satisfied with less stiffness and, hopefully, strong bones.
If the protein goes into an amino acid pool, does this mean I shouldn’t be consuming my collagen mixed in with my protein shake?
Decent video, right on some of the basics. Lots of minor errors though. I'm sure ground beef does have collagen in it. But how much? I seriously doubt the efficacy of undenatured collagen intake from ground beef has been studied. What has been studied is supplemental collagen made from pork gelatin, chicken cartilage, fish skins, eggshell membrane, etc.
I have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome and have been told by every doctor going that collagen won't work. That being said I hate my doctors and still take liquid collagen daily. I'm pain free and in better shape than anyone else I've met with this condition and that's after losing a kidney from it. Vitamin C and copper are also helpful but I've found it takes a few months from starting to notice a difference and I wonder if a lot of people don't see results fast enough and stop taking them.
Thank you for sharing this. I've always suspected it may benefit some people with Ehlers Danlos Syndrome & was suprised when some said otherwise.. but some with EDS seem to think veganism will help... (I suspect it would make it worse, but people 'want' to believe, sometimes.)
I'll add, different collagen sources have differing properties & benefits, so diversifying might also be helpful. I take chicken, bovine, pork & marine.
Good for you in staying consistent to better your symptoms!!!!! Incredible!!!!! Seriously though, people suffering from whatever symptoms expect an overnight cure - patience and consistency... you're living proof.
what copper compound do you take as supplement ? and how much ? daily ? or weekly ?
Don't listen to most Dr's. They don't fix the problem... They medicate it with things that ruin even more of your body bc they're paid by Big Pharma and threatened.
Bone in ribs are another great way to get a lot of collagen in. All that facia. Both beef and pork. I like putting the collagen powder in my butter coffee and pouring it into the blender for a latte like brew.
Dude... I love your scientific analysis of health related topics. Keep it up!
I sous vide chuck roast for 36 hours every time it's on sale. Plenty of collagen in that. Costco has a decent price on 100% grass fed and grass finished 1/3-pound ground beef patties, which make decent burgers. I also make bone broth to consume when I break an extended fast.
PS: I do also add collagen peptides to coffee, and to my protein shakes.
I've read that gelatin, which is just cooked collagen, is absorbed better by the body than collagen. Homemade jello is simple to make with gelatin and a healthy sweetener like xylitol and some fruit or fruit juice.
Likely true. Heating a protein for a long time breaks down the structure into smaller proteins. This apparently makes the protein more digestable. So in theory, more bioactive collagen peptides would be absorbed. Pork gelatin has been extensively used in research and gets results.
Thanks for the video! Very interesting and insightful.
Appreciate your interesting shared research 😘
So which peptide are best
How do you get a blood test for collagen? My doc does vitamin D.
Thank you for this! I consume collagen daily, both in diet and supplemental form. This was really encouraging. I appreciate what you do!
Same. And fortunately love just plain old ground beef, too.
I consume in diet, but im definitely thinking of supplementing it, have you noticed a difference?
@@rikstar. I just notice that I feel good supplementing it...I am very active and do intense cardio workouts...I do feel better more now than I did in my teens regarding soft tissue so I'm going to continue.
Can you talk about uc-ii for osteoarthritis please
This was known back when Knox brand gelatin was told they could no longer advertise drinking gelatin as a means of strengthening finger nails and hair.
You're correct. It has been thought that various animal proteins, including gelatin, were beneficial for tissue regeneration. There are articles from the 1970's discussing peptides. Shame they didn't do more research back then.
meaning collagen works, but gelatin doesn't?
@@stevenmichaelson8960 I think a definitive study needs to be carried out.
@@stevenmichaelson8960 They both work. Collagen, being a protein, can turn into gelatin through processing. Such as heat. Both can yield amino acids & bioactive peptides in the human digestive tract.
whats the difference between say marine collagen, collagen with hyaluronic acid added or hydrolyzed collagen peptides ?
Sales patter get yourself a slow cooker fill it with free bones from butcher cook for 24 hours on low drink 2 cups a day refill enjoy
I've been eating almost exclusively eggs and ground meat for 10 days and my skin has become so soft and elastic it's actually creepy, I feel like a newborn and I don't take any collagen supplement.
I experienced the same thing when I just started eating only meat…mainly beef.
And fat even without exercise turns into muscle
EGGS HAVE ALL THE AMINO ACIDS EXCEPT LYSINE..BEEF HAS AMINOS OF COURSE..BUT NOTHING BEATS HYDROLYZED COLLAGEN..NOTHING
Does anyone have information on “organic” collagen? Does it exist? Is it necessary?
Which is the best type of collagen to take for the knees, type I, type II or type II ?
Get one with all three types…
Ive been using collagen for 3 years….Im 54 and look 40 with no wrinkles or crows feet. Less achy joints. Hair and nails grow fast and healthy. I also seem to be able to recover easier after a hard workout.
Collagen has worked for me in a way i never imaged: started to take 10g of hydrolised collagen because of a tendinitis, my podologist said it couldnt hurt to try. One month after my tendinitis pain disapeared and i had a bonus of clearing out my adult acne (i always had adult acne, tried everything and just gave up). Dont know why, but the only change i did that month was taking collagen. 3 years have passed, stil taking it every day and acne has completely disapeared like the tendinitis pain.
Can you share what brand do you use pls
@@sarimelianti9021 nu3 hydrolised colagen grass fed . Its a powder.
So should I not drain my ground beef? I’m not on Keto. I watch my carbs but am not super low carb.
Whenever I eat eggs I peel the membrane off the shells and cook them with the eggs. I believe they are type 2 type 5 and type 10 collagen. My joints feel great at 56 yrs old.
Type 1, 5, 10. I'm a fan of ESM. You are wise to use those membranes. They contain not only collagen (~25%), but other proteins, chondroitin, glucosamine, hyaluronic acid, and elastin.
Thomas, what fat ratios do you recommend on beef
All I know is that I started using collagen in my mid 40’s and can def tell the different. So does my wife. I would love to not spend the money but if def works. My recovery after 3 sport surgeries was compared by my surgeons to individuals in their 20’s.
Snowboard 40+ times a season and climb just as many days with min recovery needed in between
what brand/kind do you take if you don't mind me asking?
I'd like to know the brand also
I had no idea that collagen was in ground beef! Great! I love beef patties for breakfast - I cook a few, then just grab one from the fridge when I leave for work. Super easy.
I take collagen, Glycine and also Vit C & hyaluronic acid powder (just put it in water), pretty good stack for wrinkles I guess.
I also heard K2 is actually beneficial for preventing wrinkles! K2 is also highly relevant for your tipical age related degenerative diseases, it makes the Calcium and minerals go to the right places instead of Calcifying things and creating -itises.
Make sure you get the K2 M7 the most active form.
Boil down pork bones, beef bones and chicken feet for collagen broth. Period. No need to buy collagen supplements. Makes for great soups and ramen broth.
A consumed same like you and got fibromyxoma. After surgery 3 cm scar on my upper arm. No thanks any of that shits anymore.
I dont have them bones at hand!... So i supplement collagen! @alexnhan8527
Which brand of collagen are you taking?
I was having bad knee pain, dr gave me anti-inflammatories; it did not help, I really wanted them to work. I started making my own chicken bine broth making sure I got any cartilage & tendons in there. I would drink 2 cups a day & it would help my knee pain. It helped for quite awhile & I got out of the habit & over taxed my knees at the gym. This video was a good reminder to start that back up regularly.
You might try UC-II and eggshell membrane. Though, chicken broth is great.
Interesting! Thank you!
@biolayne we need your opinion on these studies and consumption of collagen/aminos
Norton reckons Collagen supplementation is not worth it .. But he is Wrong .. just like he was about BCAAs
Very informative 😊 ty
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I regularly take a scoop of Garden of Life collagen peptides before bedtime for added recovery after hard workouts
Great readout on this topic @ThomasDelauer. Quick question, what wrist watch are you wearing, is that a Garmin Fenix? Wondering, as I need a new workout watch. Keep up the good work!
Awesome info video thanks for sharing
what collagen is best for osteoarthritis? i have vital proteins peptides, but iv heard a couple times chicken collagen is best for arthritis...can anyone help me with this please ? thank you
Did you find out which is better?
@@revathik9225 no but now iv made my dad dmso, castor oil, frankincense to rub on.amanda vollmer has a book read it. also msm supplement, glucosomine chondroitin,borax ( boron) all has 90 percent helped my dad. id leave the powder out. ..he took the vaxxxxxxx and had symptoms straight after for 2years now hes almost pain free..he is also now taking augmented NAC good luck
A month ago I started taking hydrolyzed bovine collagen because my hair is getting thin and I was hoping it might help that situation (I'm opposed to pharmaceuticals). I can't tell if it's helping in that regard but it's definitely making my skin look better- firm and smooth.
Biotin is important as well, good luck.
i wonder if helps gut lining. helps IBS
Have you tried deparasitization with medicinal turpentine? I know it has helped me with my scalp a lot, and my eyelashes are so much thicker since I made that a habit.
@@nikitaw1982 it has helped my IBs. It took 6-8wks and I take one thru Dani Williamson wild and well website. I found her on insta. I still have to avoid my triggers. Raw onion, iceberg lettuce, cows milk that is not organic are some of mine.
How do you conclude skin looks better? do you take before & after high resolution close up photos with the same lighting condition?
I happened to read a study that showed "abnormal" glycine deficient collagen preceded arterial calcification. meaning the body was using calcium to strengthen weak arteries because it didnt have enough glycine. collagen is so underrated. Probably the most essential supplement.
Excellent! Thank you!
I make my own bone broth from knuckle bones and marrow... so much collagen!
have u had japanese ramen from a j restaurant? they say dont drink the soup but its from boiling pork joints all day.
@@nikitaw1982why would they say don’t drink the soup??? what else would You do with it??? lick & spit? throw it back in the pot to reserve forever?
@@LaciRae haha. old wives tail or throw back from medical people saying don't consume too much salt. Even though japanese summer rediculously hot and humid. Need salts for physical effort. I haven't had a blood test lately do you know how escess salt shows up in a blood test?
@@LaciRae maybe on the down low the add it bag to the pot after. If boil the hell out of it is that so bad though? PS don't look up gutter oil problem in china. Make you want USA to Nuke all the major citys:(
@@nikitaw1982 i don’t know how salt shows up on a blood test. i have getting a test on my to do list tho. i haven’t had one in over 10 years.
Collagen is not the same from any source. it seems that certan fish collagen is more bioavailable then other ones,including red meat,which is not good source anyway - its quite expensive if you want to consume it for that reason,regarding to quality of the meat.
You should analyse that part ,as well...
One more important question . then what? :)
I mean,what after that period of taking collagen suplement,and it has to be at least three (but ore likely six,and not to mention that it has to be high grade quality with combination of several types - I, III for instance) month long of ,in order to feel and see some improvements and effects. What happening with your own collagen production)
Is it like steriod use - you have to take it constantly,because you interfearing with your hormonal structure and overall body productivity?
Ive been taking 10 to 20 grams of collagen peptides for 6 years. 59 year old female. Work 10 hours a day and then head to the gym for weightlifting for an hour and a half. Been carnivore for almost a year. 110 lbs, good muscle build. Nails are crap, and hair has slowed down to almost no growth. Skin looks really good. Not many if any wrinkles. I always say im afraid to stop taking it lol. I own a burger restaurant, and my lunch every single day is 10 oz. Patty, sometimes a fried egg, and butter. I crave this every day.
taking collagen peptides helps against achy knees when sitting down for a long time where leg room is limited, think flights and movies and the backseat of cars. Also helps my shoulders heal better from workouts.
Which brand do you take?
Collegen works.
Thank you
So if I just go for ground beef, would two of my carnivore meals a week of ground beef be enough collagen?
And is there any particular listing on the nutrition on the packaging I need to look out for to make sure it has enough collagen?
Not likely on either.
I'll add my gratitude as well. Thanks for the clarification. I've been supplementing hydrolyzed collagen as well as collagen through diet. I consume a lot of homemade burger patties minus the bread. Only garnish is salt and pepper and lightly cooked in a monounsaturated oil. I'm able to sustain a somewhat heavy resistance training regimen of about three times per week without any joint problems or injuries. I'm 67 years old. Have a good one.
What about gellatin ? It’s much cheaper than collagen powder.
Hey Thomas, can you share the study???
Is this hydrolised collagen?
I feel like the video fails to address the main criticism/concern of collagen supplementation, there is a lot of evidence that collagen IS beneficial in many areas. What is unclear is if collagen is MORE beneficial than just supplementing with protein, or just having a protein rich diet. All the studies mark collagen against a placebo, what we need to start seeing is studies that mark collagen against other forms of protein. Collagen became a popular supplement because its cheap to make and collagen is a good catchall for aging that everyone wants an easy solution to, so its an easy profit line for supplement companies, and since so many people have bought into it everyone is eager to like videos like this that play into their confirmation bias. This video doesn't actually address the crux of the criticism of collagen, which isn't whether its effective, but whether its superior to a protein rich diet (I do realize Thomas addresses this real quickly by asking if whey does the same thing for skin health, but he just quickly says no and doesn't cite any studies, which is odd since the video cites 11 other studies for collagen vs placebos).
Also look at the studies that show effects of collagen on cognition
are there any good pill/vitamin options? I don't consume a hot beverage or smoothie regularly so the powder isnt an option
Sure. You can get collagen capsules. It's not very economical. UC-II & eggshell membrane might be better options, since they seem to work at a low dose. As far as vitamins, silica, copper, vitamin c, and biotin are all options.
@@presence5426 any chance you could recommend one that looks good? My nutritional knowledge is limited at best
I get collagen in my daily food intake, and supplement with collagen daily. I will continue to do no matter what some say because of how I feel while doing so.
Pork rinds, chicken with skin, gelatin and bone broth are way more enjoyable ways to get collagen than collagen supplements. Collagen supplements are likely helpful for some people but I think most could just eat foods with it. It is also great to use those foods in recipes, add bone broth to veggies, pork rind panko, and so on.
Pig feet bro - you’ll get more collagen in one foot then pounds of everything you mentioned above.
@@Alex-ml3zx
Interesting ....bovine feet bone broth ?
@@Alex-ml3zx Also good , as many other high collagen cuts and traditional foods. However you would be wrong, gelatin is pure collagen, bone broth can be up to 20% collagen depending on how do you make it, pork rinds are about 70% collagen. Chicken with skin, not much collagen compared to the rest but it has some.
But it is not an either or situation, you can have both and have variety.
@michaelscarport Or make gelatin deserts or gummies. Easy to make low carb , with the right sweeteners it is as good as high carb ones (I use erythritol + sucralose ).
@michaelscarport
Is that like jello without the sugar ?
What does creatine do...is that an amino acid ?
Thx 4 sharing 😉
Dude, you're actually fantastic. Your knowledge in this domain and the nuance you provide is ridiculous. Thanks so much for everything you do.
Dude knows absolutely squat !