MCU Timeline Breakdown - BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER
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- čas přidán 30. 05. 2024
- In this new video, we break down all the details surrounding the Black Panther: Wakanda Forever timeline and its place in the MCU. From the date T’Challa died, to the time period Nakia moved to Haiti, we discuss it all, including using a new date that’s been found within the film and comparing that with the leaked Wakanda Forever script. We also dive into the history of the Mayan civilization, so buckle in!
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0:00 Introduction
1:07 Our original placement of Spring/Summer 2025
3:20 Wakanda Forever’s Disney+ Timeline placement
4:10 The leaked script and all its inaccuracies
6:40 When did Nakia move to Haiti?
7:37 ‘Look Out for the Little Guy’
8:47 A present day date has been found!
10:04 When did T’Challa die?
12:50 When Black Panther: Wakanda Forever takes place
13:06 Inconsistencies in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
13:59 History of the fall of Mayan Civilization and Namor’s youth
16:38 Years highlighted and Conclusion - Krátké a kreslené filmy
If you consider T'Challa's death to be on April 29, there's some similarity with Chadwick's real-life important dates: T'Challa died on a Monday 29 (April 2024), whereas Chadwick was born on a Monday 29 (November 1976). This happens because those months are identical on the calendar, which adds more weight to the deleted scene's date and the few days Shuri and Riri were prisoners of Namor.
Good catch, I like this synergy a lot.
Wow, what an insightful video! Not even for just the timeline stuff but digging into the history was really awesome. I love how much they dove into the different cultures in this film.
Thank you! And oh yeah, they really did their homework with the Mayan culture particularly. They did an excellent job on that, and the interplay between cultures.
I also want to add that Riri mentioned having a differential equations class at MIT and that course only occurs in spring
That’s a good catch!
I'd just view their seeming anger at all sides in _Falcon & Winter Soldier_ as their grief or lack of doing so, while still trying to show the world they are doing their jobs, and the rest of the world may not yet know of T'Challa's death.
That’s an interesting retcon possibility!
@@Geekritique It doesn't need to be a retcon. Its just a head canon theory on how I see it due to how the timeline works.
Sorry, yeah that’s what I meant.
Considering how secretive Wakanda is in general, I have no problem believing that they'd take a while to share T'Challa's death with the outside world.
4:08 I appreciate that you made yourself Shuri & D+ Namor.
9:35 It makes sense that they cut this scene; the audience needs to oppose Val, but this scene is the only time in the film that Everett _actually does_ what Val accuses him of later on. We need Val to be wrong; the scene had to go.
That’s a great point, I hadn’t considered the Val angle to this.
It's amazing how much work you put into these timeline videos.
I wonder how a DC timeline would look like, knowing that it's a complete mess
Thanks so much Gustavo. The DC timeline is probably about as messy as the MCU. I’d love to give it a proper try sometime.
@@Geekritique I felt really bad for Henry Cavill, bringing him back in the post credit scene of Black Adam just to remove him from the DCEU all over again
I agree, it’s messed up.
Sounds like you’re feeling better. Glad to have you back. This is another great timeline breakdown. I’d love to see you tackle the fox X-men next. Do you think it would be easier if we considered wolverine and the original group of X-men one universe and the first class/deadpool another universe?
Thanks man! The X-men are something I’d love to tackle soon. It would have to be several different timelines, that’s the only possible way.
Wow! This is probably the MOST in-depth MCU Timeline Breakdown video on the channel.
Glad you enjoyed it! It definitely took me the longest to make.
En tant que fan français du MCU et maniaque de la chronologie, je salue ton travail solide et détaillé. Je me renseigne sur la chronologie sur des reddits ou chez tes homologues français mais c'est ton travail que je trouve le plus propre. Donc merci pour cette passion et force pour la suite 🔥
Je suis très heureux que vous appréciez mon travail. Merci beaucoup d'avoir regardé. C'est agréable de savoir que mes vidéos sont vues à l'international.
Another fantastic video Dakota! Keep up the great work!
Thanks amigo!
Thank you so much for this!
You’re welcome, Mike!
Another one! Great video. You're very insightful and the video is top quality.
Much appreciated! Thanks for watching, and I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Great vid Dakota!
I watched that deleted scene a couple of times after that guy in the comments of the Quantumania video said there's a date in it and didn't notice it. Great attention to detail by the script supervisor and so glad someone caught it! I don't think it's fair to give too much weight to the script though considering how much it changed during filming and also the fact that Coogler probably wrote in some estimations just to give the cast some idea about the time passage. It's obvious that the dates he uses are estimations considering he even contradicts himself with Riri's age.
As for Nakia, this is how I see it:
She gets pregnant in Spring 2018 when IW takes place, a couple months later, she finds out (let's say around July 2018) and when her pregnancy starts becoming obvious by ~4-5 months (around Fall 2018) she leaves Wakanda. That's relatively shortly after Thanos' attack, since people would still be in mourning by then and the world would probably be in chaos and it's also ~6.5 years before Wakanda Forever, so it can easily be rounded down to 6.
Then, for the actual date of T'Challa's death, I believe it's late April and Shuri spends ~5 days in Talokan. I know it doesn't seem like it, but there's a lot of stuff that happens off-screen that we don't see that support this. It would take half a day for Okoye to go back to Wakanda and inform Ramonda about Shuri, then some thinking and strategizing by Ramonda, then another half day for Ramonda to go to Haiti to talk to Nakia, then some preperation by Nakia and then a lot of travelling around and asking around until she eventually finds a person who can tell her about Talokan. It's perfectly reasonable to say it was 5 days for all that to have occured.
Thank you man! And I agree, with pretty much everything you said. I think Nakia left Wakanda in late 2018, early 2019. That’s the only way that works.
As for the days elapsed in Talokan, yeah, there’s definitely some unseen days in that period of time.
Great timing! Watched the movie this week and saw the initial thoughts video, and just today was wondering when the full breakdown video would release
I love when stuff like that happens!
Great video as always!
Thank you!
Another amazing video! Always love the in-depth look at every aspect that could possibly lead to a timeline placement. That passion and commitment shines through the video and is always appreciated. And I still love just how everything in Phase 4 can be viewed in a completely different order than release order because of this timeline, just makes things a bit more fun to watch lol.
Also, "BUT. And this is a big BUT." with that clip, I see what you did there😂
👀 lmao, glad somebody caught that joke. And thank you bro! Super glad you enjoyed the video!
As always, I love your videos. Going through your mcu timeline rn and just started runaways season 1 yesterday. Nearly done! I'm hoping you get into some star wars content. Almost done reading phase 1 of the High Republic and have no idea what order to read phase 2 in. I'll be watching whatever you decide to make. Thank you and good luck!
Glad you enjoy the videos Devante. I’ll be diving briefly into The Mandalorian in my next video, so that’s perfect.
You are awesome, the detail you go through to find the timeline is on the other level. Thanks to you I'm able to keep the MCU timeline in order. I'm really grateful for your hard work. Thank you so much.
I’m happy you like my videos! Glad to help. Thanks for watching.
great vid!
Thanks bro!
It’s a relief to see that Disney+ and the fans are finally agreeing with each other! April and May 2025 works really well for me! Really need that timeline book to be released to see what they're going to do with the other polemic placements.
I’m also very excited about that upcoming timeline book. And I’m glad you like the placement!
We can only hope 😂
Nice video !!!! Geekritique
I recommend you the Monsterverse Timeline and DCEU Timeline
And the next Marvel Timeline could be Eternals???
Thanks Santiago. All those timelines are stuff I’d love to start mapping. And yea, Eternals is on my to-do list.
I’m always gonna follow this timeline, it’s the best!!
Thanks Carlos.
This is a Wonderful and Interesting video, the Mcu timeline recently (Even the Earlier phases for me) has been inconsistent but you made it sense and can you please in the future do a Rocky and Creed please 🙏
Rocky and Creed would be AWESOME. Thanks for watching.
Any time 👍
Once again brother, another banger! A lot of the projects in Phase 4 (and maybe Phase 5) requires a lot of guesstimates when trying to pinpoint the dates and year of each projects especially compared to Phase 1 - 3, but I genuinely think you made a great effort trying to pinpoint Wakanda Forever and I think May 2025 is accurate, even if I personally think T'Challa died on April 29th as I think it makes the most sense with the "Tuesday" line from Shuri plus Chadwick being born on the 29th (November), it also great to know that Namor's backstory matches up with the real world timeline. Hopefully now that Marvel Studios are slowing the amount of movies and films they are putting out, it will allow them to more accurately pinpoint when each project takes place and I also hope their timeline book that's going to be released later this year doesn't contradict anything 😅🙏🏾
Really loved this video man and I can't wait to see what other franchises you decide to tackle timeline-wise!
Your comments are always welcome amigo. Thanks for that. And I agree, I hope that now that they are slowing down, the films will be tighter. I look forward to seeing what you’ve got cooking up as well!
@@Geekritique Thank you bro and me too!
I really hope the official MCU timeline book coming out this year is correct. They definitely should get you to help out with it
Either way, it’ll be enlightening. I’m not afraid to be incorrect on a few locations, if it makes sense.
Since the book is coming out later this year, it's WAY too late for Geekritque to work on it.
PLEASE do The Pixar Theory! I can't find any exact order anywhere on the internet. I know your timeline mapping skills could easily put them all together. Since there is no real predetermined order like the Disney+ timeline for the MCU, because this is a fan-made theory. There is nothing stopping you from placing whatever you want whenever you want. I would recommend Super Carlin Brother's video as a starting point and see what you can find from there.
I personally believe the Super Carlin Bros have nailed it. I don’t think I could really make a better one, though I’ll give it some thought.
this was great man! would love to see a Walking Dead Universe timeline, if you're up for it.
I’m way behind on TWD, but that would be crazy!
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I don't see why a deleted date is taking precedence over a line in the released film. It's April 29 all the way for me: the May 7 date helps us pin down what Tuesday could be being referred to, but it was ultimately removed and doesn't affect the canon of the established film.
Also, the script that was released was not the last draft, and there could be decisions made by even Coogler himself (co-writer) during production to change the script. It could fully be the "writers' intent" that there are no hidden days - it just so happens that the writer changed his intent when he was directing the movie.
I think you came to the right conclusion, it just doesn't have to be quite so complicated :)
Haha, I totally agree, I gave myself more work than was necessary.
@@Geekritique And we appreciate all the details you find :D
“But, and this is a big but” you ain’t slick 💀
😂
The return of the king!
Haha, thanks!
If I were to make a list of franchises I would like to see timeline videos of it would be
X-Men
Fast & Furious
Monsterverse
Planet of the Apes
Ooo, Planet of the Apes would be fun. (The others too, but I’ve not thought about Planet of the Apes).
Man the planet of the apes timeline gets so tricky lol, my friend and I legit sat for like 3 hours debating just the timeline stuff 🤣
@@Geekritique It could be the originals or the rebooted trilogy with Andy Serkis
So since the deleted scene takes place on May the 7th, what days do you see the film starting and stopping on?
Can your next timeline video in this month be the DC Universe? If so start with Wonder Woman & then when Shazam! comes out this month on March 17th you can add that!!!
Soon. Not yet, but soon.
Can you please add your Quantumania shorts video to the timeline playlist? It just makes sense, coz the timeline here is already updated with Qunatumania's placement.
Just did, thanks for reminding me.
Ayeeeee yea the fact that we gotta ignore that Nakia line? It just had no meaning into it, kind of a waste of a time to make that story dialogue for her when they were filming scenes to make the movie
I think they needed to add more of a mystery as to why she’s not in Wakanda.
Thoughts on a Star Trek timeline? Mostly dates itself I guess, but multiple timelines (original, kelvin, mirror, etc) could make for some interesting investigations.
I LOVE Star Trek. This would be a dream timeline to make.
@@Geekritique Forefront of my mind. Finished a full rewatch last year, took me about 5 years to do it all. The Animated Series was slow going for sure.
Holy cow. That’s the thing, it’s SUCH a Herculean feat.
Do you think you’ll do a reaction video to the new Spider-verse trailer particularly addressing the 616/199999 issue?
I’m not immediately planning on it.
Dakota will you do a Star Wars timeline? At least just the movies and shows.
My next video is on The Mandalorian. So if that does well I may make more.
@@Geekritique Cool I'll be waiting
i wrote your marvel timeline down in my notes and i managed to include the x-men movies….but it’s messy
how did u figure out how to put Apocalypse after Days of Future Past when Apocalypse is in the 80’s and DoFP is in 2023.
Sounds a bit messy haha
@@memelicker6437 so what i did is i had it go
Captain America: The First Avenger
Agent Carter (One Shot and tv show)
X-men: First Class
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
here is where it gets complicated. since the X-men trilogy, Origins, and the wolverine all get erased i just put them here since the time travel plot starts everything over from the 70s.
X-men
X2: X-men United
X-men: The Last Stand
The Wolverine
X-men: Days of Future Past (Timeline Reset
X-men: Apocalypse
Dark Phoenix
Captain Marvel
Everything from here on is normal with the addition of deadpool’s, logan, and new mutants
They should be out after Loki once the multiverse is introduced
@@jettstreamyt8177 I squeeze all the X-Men and previous two Spidey series movies into the same chunk where I watch ‘What If…?’
Okay, so... here’s my interpretation.
The Upstairs Toilet is dated on-screen to "2025-05-07", so we can at least date the film’s main action to the days shortly before and after then, beginning with the ambush at the Wakandan Outreach Centre to 1st May 2025 and ending with the attack on the Golden City on 8th May 2025. The screenplay describes Ramonda’s funeral as occurring “DAYS” before the start of the montage in which Shuri recreates the heart-shaped herb, making it no later than 9th May 2025 (the day after her death on 8th May 2025), if the montage is taken to begin no later than 11th May 2025, the day Everett Ross is arrested. Namor (named in the script as Ch'ah Toh Almehen) presents his ultimatum of one week before Talokan attacks Wakanda again on the same day as the Golden City is attacked (8th May 2025), which would date the ambush on the Talokanil as no later than 14th May 2025. So, the time-frame is roughly 1st - 14th May 2025.
This would also date T’Challa’s death to May 2024. The script says “2025 (ONE YEAR AFTER ENDGAME)” but that could be taken to mean “between one and two years”.
If Nakia left Wakanda “six years” prior, that would be c. May 2019, a year after Thanos’ attack, though, as you explain, this would still be soon enough after for it for feel like a recent event.
There are inconsistencies with this but I prefer to go by the intention of the creators rather than the dates implied or required by the actual film (though I would rather they be the same thing).
I appreciate this breakdown of your thoughts. I think it’s the most thorough I’ve received thus far. The dates do fit like you mention, just not alongside the “Tuesday” quote.
It's good to step back from the MCU a little bit and diversify. Please do a complete timeline for Star Wars.
Star Wars is my white whale haha, it’s something I’ve wanted to do for a while.
I got a good question thanks for mentioning happy to help you out but for the 2024 passing off t’challa does that mean falcon and the winter soldier and love and thunder get bumped ?
It could mean that, or we just leave it alone 🤷🏻♂️
@@Geekritique just wondering since 2024 May is over the place where you got t’challa’s death the falcon and the winter soldier and love and thunder but not the 2025 part
Yeah, it’s just something we have to overlook. It’s not worth totally uprooting Falcon and the Winter Soldier for one scene.
@@Geekritique yeah or it splits what I am groot did
Why does it look like werewolf by night is after guardians holiday special on the graphic. Did I miss something?
That where I place it, yes. Check out my Werewolf By Night vid for more.
Does your timeline match up with the MCU wiki timeline, or are there some discrepancies?
Many discrepancies, but I recognize their work as top notch. We just weight certain data differently, so we occasionally come to different conclusions.
This is completely off topic, but where can we watch Agents of Sheld: Slingshot? I am posting this comment on this vid since it is the most recent one, but this is a comment that probably should've been in the mcu timeline video you made. Also, aren't there only 6 episodes to watch and each of them being around 5 minutes each? I hope that these questions get answered by Geekritique himself since he is the geek.
Hey, you can find em all on Marvel’s site: www.marvel.com/slingshot
@@Geekritique oh, its free!
ok assuming it is just 6 episodes with each being around 5 minutes, I think I am good. i am currently still watching the timeline u made and am on agents of shield ep. 11-19. just wanted to know about slingshot ahead of time
Great video, though with a small error: You are much more Namor to the Disney+ Timeline than Black Panther to it.
😂 Thanks Dan! Haha, I didn’t even consider that.
woudl def be cool to see a monster verse timeline
Would be so cool
All the live-action DC universes? That's a lot of content right there. If you did the Fate Series that would be wild. You would be bored with any straightforward timeline(s). It would be best if you had something big like the MCU again. Keep up the great work! Get that timeline job at Disney!
Haha, those are some great ideas James, I appreciate it.
I wonder what the person they hired to keep look over the timeline is up to, and if he is even accurate/correct
I’m sure it would be a lot worse if it weren’t for that guy, so… 🤷🏻♂️
Can u do a complete MCU timeline with this modification on black panther
Eventually!
Star Wars timeline please
I placed "most" of Wakanda Forever after She-Hulk. When She-Hulk enters the real world Marvel Studios, the production droid tells us the CGI crew left to finish working on Wakanda Forever. 4th wall breaks still count as a story , these things still happened. So story wise.....Wakanda Forever doesnt even exist before She-Hulk . Naturally elements do take place a year prior, but the She-Hulk easter eggs falls flat if you watch BP2 before instead of after.
The 4th wall break is a time jump to when WF and SH were being produced in 2022, so nothing changes.
I miss D+ series
Me too man
The only timeline I would find interesting is a proper explanation of the DCEU/Arrowverse timeline and how it connects to the comics multiverse
That’s like a 6 hour video homie
@@Geekritique yeah but it would be a cool series, and would be better than avatar 🤢
@@Geekritique Better get to work then ;) :P
I disagree. Perhaps give the Avatar vids I made a try, I promise you they’re not boring.
@@Geekritique that would be interesting, if I didn't hate avatar and everything it stands for (lazy writing being excused because "it looks real!" And hypocrisy) plus I don't like the characters or world
Am I missing something? May 2nd 2024 would be a Thursday, not a Tuesday. Surely the likely dates for T'Challa's passing would be 30th of April or 07th of May if it happened on a Tuesday.
The anniversary is a Tuesday. The date will fall on a different day of the week each year.
The inconsistencies with the timelines are not sloppy storytelling and surely a result of runaway micro-branched timelines resulting in each film or show transpiring in near exact universes (and some even starting in one and ending in another).
I’m sorry to disagree, but no, the timeline mistakes in Wakanda Forever are in no way to do with other films or shows on the timeline, as the movie doesn’t attempt to ever once navigate itself around the timeline so as to best fit other projects. The problems only arise with internal timeline logic inconsistencies. I’m not suggest sloppy storytelling, because it isn’t a sloppy story. It’s simple timeline negligence.
@@Geekritique it was sarcasm! I wasn't being serious haha although scott does seem to come back in an alternate version of his present, i don't think anyone was intending any of the other projects to be experiencing the same thing as Scott (yet)
Oh my bad haha, sorry, that went over my head.
Please break down Scooby-Doo. That thing’s timeline is a monster that explodes into a Multiverse for no good reason 😂😂😂
…I’ll get right on that 😂
11:03 i see what u did there
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Omggg 😂😂😂
So we leave it where it’s at then?
The film? Yep. It’s definitely Spring 2025.
I don't understand MCU timeline since Loki's series
What don’t you understand?
@@Geekritique those multiples timelines, variants, Kang, for me at least none of this make sense
Don’t worry, they’ll simplify it. It’s very confusing, you’re not alone.
@@davialbuquerque4964 "Variants" are just different versions of the same person from different universes. In MoM, for example, we saw 4 different versions of Stephen Strange, each from a different universe: The one we already knew from previous MCU installments, the one who dies in the beginning of the movie, the one who Black Bolt executed in a flashback, & the one who dies near the end of the movie.
Kang is Nathaniel Richards, a scientist from the distant future. He discovers how to travel between universes at will with technology (as opposed to America Chavez, who can do it as an innate power),....but so do all of his variants from other universes (as opposed to America Chavez, who doesn't _have_ any variants). The different Kangs have differing personalities; some just want to study the alternate universes they find, while some want to rule them all. Some are able to ally with each other (the Council of Kangs), while others refuse to collaborate (the exiled Kang in Quantumania).
Does this help at all?
@@CaptHayfever yes, it did help a lot. Now things are clear for me. Thanks for putting time and effort to write this text. Cheers