WAKANDA FOREVER Original Ending & DELETED SCENES Explained
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We breakdown the deleted scenes of Wakanda Forever and how they set up the sequel, the new phase of h MCU, and a showdown with the Thunderbolts. Also, what was the original draft of the movie? We're here to explain.
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It's amazing that a major mainstream movie is highlighting America's imperialism, and France's exploitation of Africa. But much like how Avatar shows how America and other nations invade native lands and plunder their resources but it goes over the heads of most of the audience I expect the same is the case with Wakanda Forever. But $h!t is real. af.
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I definitely felt Okoye’s absence from the second act of the film, and honestly wish they kept the scenes with her and Anika and Ayo in the film
She is getting a disney plus show
@@pookiesis1465 The show that with no release date is about Wakanda. No guarantee what her screen time will look like
I'm glad they left out that Bald headed demon lol.
@@TehStylishone it Wakanda base okye is confirmed lead in it she no longer a dora so it not about them
Loook up her deleted scenes
In regards to that first scene...the Dora were ALWAYS an institution that put rules over people. That's why Ramonda had a grudge against Okoye: she led the Dora in standing by Killmonger after his coup. Ramonda took it as a personal betrayal, but to their knowledge Killmonger had won the challenge and was the rightful King, so her hands were tied.
I see how the original plot of Chadwick mourning the loss of time is paralleled by Antman’s dilemma with Kang due to his loss of time. Imagine if Chadwick never passed and we got an on screen interaction between Black Panther and Kang, more specifically Chadwick and Jonathan Majors. 🤯
Would've been epic
Chadwick and Tenoch Huerta's scenes would have been amazing too
@@jvillanueva2978 agreed
Not paralleled - clearly Feige took that OG Wakanda Forever script and used it for Quantumania instead.
The similarities are far too obvious for it to be mere coincidence.
Just like Feige flat out ripped off DCEU's Aquaman and MCU Iron Man 2 for the major plot elements of nu Wakanda Forever.
@@mnomadvfx Kevin didn’t write the script
More Danai Gurira is always a good thing. She's such a strong presence. In sequels someone always gets the short end of the stick, and it was her.
Lol in Doctor Strange 2 it was the doc himself who got the short end, and his own arch nemesis.
How does Disney manage to screw up these basic character rivalries so completely EVERY time?
I hope there is a director's cut that appears on Disney+ after they sell all the Blurays
At this point, we need Director's Cuts of more MCU films. Heard the Director's Cut of Multiverse of Madness was supposedly so good
I think, Okoje's story will be told in more detail in another movie or show. And she deserves to have it told in more detail rather than being a side story in Wakanda Forever.
Being that Ta'Challa gave his son his name, they can still do a T'Challa/Storm love story... By the time they bring X-Men into the MCU, he'll be older ..
I thin Mbaku is actually going to be a good leader. He's wise, strong, understanding and mostly follows tradition
He’s also very brash, reckless, and stubborn
Mbaku detests Wakanda. He also already has his own kingdom where he is King.... Coogler let alot of continuity issues. He cut lots of stuff to accommodate Agent Ross boring scenes. For such a long movie they would have done way more
@@afnd4603 I think agent Ross scenes were important to set up Thunderbolts and the invasion of WAKANDA. It happens in the cartoon series.
@@kjbeast677 when was he reckless? I feel like in Wakanda, he's the character who contemplates before getting into action the most
@@bapbap4126 right? He’s never been reckless.
I hope you never retire that "Somehow Palatine returned" clip. Everyone involved with making that scene a reality, except the actors, completely deserves the endless ridicule 😂😂😂
How was that Okoye/Ayo/Aneka stuff exluded?!?! My best guess is they are saving for an extended origin via Disney+ as a series...
Exactly what i came here to say!
The movie was already 2 hours and 45 minutes; they simply didn't want to go to the 3 hours (even if that was what was needed to tell the full story).
In a perfect world, Wakanda Forever is a two-part movie; 100 minutes for part one, 100 minutes for part two (need to go back and see again, but basically the point where Namor is addressing his people, ahead of the assault on Wakanda, would likely be the cut point.)
Add back the Martin Freeman scene (assuming it'd be right after the ride back with Val and the call from Queen Ramonda), add back the "Okoye to the rescue" scene (clash with the Dora and the Royal Guard, opening up the unease from Aneka) to Part one, and then add a "fallout" scene (initial reactions to the death of Queen Ramonda, diving some more into Shuri's bubbling rage at the loss of her family, add back the "Daughter of the Border scene (placing it during the interregnum after the attack), add back the "Anytime, Anywhere" scene (sealing the Shuri/Okoye pact in Haiti, with Okoye going forward with saving Ross, and Shuri the ritual), and a full crowning ceremony for M'Baku ... and still keep Toussaint in the post credit scene
I'll never understand why they don't put deleted scenes back in the movie for Disney + where we could watch 5 hours movie if we want... I was so happy to find extended version of Lord of the Rings, Marvel could do the same with movies...
It would appear from the trailers that T'Challa mourning the loss of time with his son will now be used for Scott Lang in Quantumania. I love how Marvel never completely throws ideas away, they just bide their time and keep them in their story idea toolbox.
I came away from Wakanda Forever assuming Okoye as the Midnight Angel was working for the Wakanda government. The fact that her and Aneka are working as outsiders should have been in the film itself.
These scenes were super important, i would have gladly sat through a longer film. Sad they cut them
She is getting a disney plus show
@@pookiesis1465 The movies should elevate the show and the shows should elevate the movies. Removing those scenes did not help do that.
Removing scenes like that in favor of probably using them later in a TV show/movie is really starting to damage MCU media. This is bad..
I felt those Okoye/Ayo/Aneka cuts so hard while watching this film. 😭 So much I love about it, but what they did to that plot leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Wish they'd just left all the Midnight Angels stuff for the series so that they could do the story justice.
I felt like they added to the movie
She is getting a disney plus show
@@pookiesis1465 Like I said in the comment you're replying to: "Wish they'd just left all the Midnight Angels stuff for the series so that they could do the story justice."
@@frostbitetcc It was the storyline I was most looking forward to, and all they gave me was a skeleton. Ayo is my fave Dora Milaje, and it's clear all her lines were left on the cutting-room floor. I was looking forward to seeing her relationship with Aneka develop, but all we got was an awkward kiss on the head at the end out of nowhere.
I can understand, if you don't know anything about this storyline, that you don't know what you missed. But I feel robbed. If they had held back on this story until the TV show, they would not only get the chance to do it justice, but it would have decluttered a film whose greatest criticism from all corners is that it was trying to do too many things at once. This film should have just focused on the T'Challa/Shuri/Namor story...and without the scraps of the Midnight Angels plot, there would have been more room to flesh out Riri, too.
@@ElysiaBrenner Exactly!! This was exactly my problem with watching! I love the Midnight Angels and Ayo, Okoye, Aneka. They were shortchanged rather than moved to a standalone work, and somehow that feels worse.
Damn, I hate how they got rid of so much of Okoye's story. She is definitely my favorite Wakandian character!
I think Shuri didn't ask them to bring Okoye along to Talokan because everyone on the bridge thought Okoye might have been dead at that point. The Talokanil probably didn't even want to check on her because they probably thought humans can't survive that long under water while unconscious if that's what she was. They also probably didn't pay attention to the fact that Okoye cut the water bomb in half before it exploded and that may have lessed it's impact and ended up not killing her right on the bridge.
Man I just love deleted scenes
I love them but hate them as well. If the movie is strong and good then they are a fun way to see what could have been. On the other hand if the movie is not as good and the deleted scenes would have made the movie better, I find no end of frustration.
I always want the best for any piece of art and yes, art is subjective, but should be objectively accessible. If you have no audience to connect to you don't have art for art is meant to connect people on a level nothing else can.
@@canis2020 Ah I see your a person of culture as well.
2nd comment🥈
I see W’Kabi seeking the throne since Okeye did not and he has an axe to grind. That would set up great tension between them also since she is supporting Shuri.
An issue I have with that scene, in which Aneka quits, being deleted is that, that scene would have established her relationship with Ayo on screen. I felt gross with the only solid establishment being a quick kiss, that Disney could quickly edit out where needed. I'll admit I don't read the comics, as a result that scene would have established that they were in a relationship far better than a small chidding moment that comic book readers alone would recognise. I'm getting exhausted with the way Queerness is and isn't portrayed in the MCU. We got beautiful meta citicism in She-Hulk, but Nikki's sexuality was still a blink and you miss it moment.
HUH? Nikki was queer...? LOLOL guess I blinked & missed it completely.
Absolutely loved this movie
It was nice to see a MCU movie that was actually serious instead of being silly all the time.
This was a good video! Thanks for pulling all this together. I agree, the deleted scense with Okoye would have definitely added to a better understanding if they were kept in the movie.
I think I may have figured out adamantium. BP2 showed us the formula for vibranium and a machine that can locate it. But Shuri’s attempt to make another heart shaped herb was only 98.7% successful. So maybe Ross or the US get 98.7% close to vibranium, making adamantium. Please excuse the spelling.
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Dude this was a god tier breakdown!
They should put in the scenes they took out and release the movie as it should have been. Everyone would watch it and appreciate it better.
Would have loved more Okoye in the movie hope she gets her time to shine in the series or next movie. But those Midnight Angel suits 😱
Thank for another amazing video ryan can't wait for okoye midnight angel series.
I would love to see bucky coming back to wakanda as the white wolf. I still wonder why Shuri did not ask for help from Bucky and Sam now Cap. Afterall those two and Steve bothered(asked for help) from Wakanda for years, its only right to pay back some favors.
We don't know what time lapse happened between Falcon & Bucky and Wakanda Forever though. Also Ayo & the Dora Milaje are mad at Bucky for not turning Zemo over sooner.
Outside interferences it would not be good
The Wakandans are extremely suspicious of outsiders due to their century long complete isolation from the outside world, always assuming the worst of them, especially western nations appearently. While I do think Shuri, as well as her brother have overcome this distrust, it wouldve still make other powerful Wakandans question her rulership, hence she chose to not ask foreigners for help.
They would not be much help against Namor but In BP3 I definitely see it happening if the US decide to "destablize" Wakanda.
Because Namor, her cousin.. asked her not to?
Thanks for sharing
I feel like we never get enough of Okoye! Hopefully the TV series will change that.
That destabilization line, is hilarious to me. like bro y'all can't even get in the doe 😂😂😂
Yep, they should’ve left the Okoye scenes in the movie. The explain a lot and I love me some Danai.
I loved your detailed insights on these missing scenes. It makes me appreciate the final product and the continuation of its story.
Great content
Saw the quick story, and maybe you explain it here, but your timeline of when the Okoye/Elder scene is likely quite off.
The point of a "grieving queen" would make it seem that the scene was from likely shortly after the death of Ramonda, likely before the plan was set to attack Namor in the middle of the ocean
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I would love to see Okoyé take the throne.
And I’d like to see her die trying
No mbaku is better
@@ishankapoor agreed. He makes more sense. He held things down & has always delivered when helping the nation from co leading the charge against Thanos'invasion to sheltering everyone displaced by Namor's flooding attack.
Thanks for your hard work and always updating us on the MCU.
A lot of the scenes now make sense with Okoye. When asked if she still had any fight left in her. I was confused
Man, you just straight up made this good movie better. Thank you
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It's heartbreaking knowing what could have been with this film. Still for what we got it was serviceable
i mean, just compare it to love and thunder. as much as i wanted that to be an incredible film, it kind of ended up down near thor 2 for me.. BP2 compared to thor4 are leagues apart and id watch BP2 over thor4 any day.
ryan's video comparing love and thunder to muppets' chirstmas carol was 100% spot on, and im just glad that BP2 didnt get anywhere near as much wasted screentime and (IMO) so many bad scenes like thor4 had. taika needed a wayyyy shorter leash, and i hope he either has a lot less freedom going forward, or doesn't do the next thor film at all. when antman 3 looks that much more serious than the god butcher story, it kinda highlights what went wrong.
/end rant, sorry xD
@slack nah I feel ya. They both have forced moments. bp2 had better action scenes to divide the less-than-great parts so I was VERY entertained.
Killing Ramonda was a mistake. She was the best part of the film.
Bad over acting.
Absolutely LOVE the Stuart Scott reference, Ryan.
It would be nice to see Wakanda strong and not weak all the time. Another civil war would be cheeks.
Would love to see Reverend Achebe in the next movie -- he's basically Black Panther's Joker
Some men just want to watch Things Fall Apart, Master Bruce.
I really like Wakanda Forever. A couple of those deleted scenes are really illuminating. I hope they do future Wakanda stuff right!
12:55 instead of Tchalla KT being a puppet leader, he can be the savior of Wakanda
Sounds like maybe Feige forwarded the "mourning the loss of time" thematic core from Chadwick-Panther-2 to Ant Man 3?
Good video one of your best ones
Very well done 👍🏽
The deleted scenes of Anakin meeting Padme's family both makes their incredibly mismatched relationship make sense AND makes their seemingly deranged political system make sense. The movie actually flows as a narrative with those scenes added back in.
3:14 I remember a clip from this scene was included in the teaser trailer.
6:40 Vulture only hijacked the Stark cargo plane containing items from Avengers Tower.
Ah, that deleted Okoye vs. Dora scene makes sense. I feel like they used some of that footage in the trailers.
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The scene in Attack of the Clones with Anakin meeting Padme's family was actually very powerful & relevant. The whole point is the 2 leads new to each other after so long re connected and interacting in a neutral environment. Both valued family & that was both a strength & vulnerability with them.
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For the strongest nation in the world Wakanda has alot of civil unrest. It happens in the comics just so not close. Makes them look weak. You are right though these deleted scenes would have done magic for Okoye's story
Maybe the extent to which they are the strongest nation means that they feel secure enough to fight amongst themselves rather than unite against a common foe.
solid video. i got more info than this 18 minutes than i have from about the last 10 other mcu videos ive watched
such a good vidio
Screen Crush, just to let you know, the President the new Secretary of State is referring to is Ritson, who will appear in Secret Invasion, not Ross.
Again I wish they had kept those scenes in the movie. I think you’re spot on when it comes to Wakanda civil war. It even happened in the comics when the people thought the crown didn’t have their best interest in mind and the midnight angels were there to fight for the people.
What about the deleted scenes between N'amor and Shuri?
Cool!
Why did they remove so many of Okoye's scenes? They were so important and would have answered my questions when I first watched the movie.
10:48 Okoye is faith is rocked when she learns the truth.
Mordo from Dr. Strange has entered the chat
Kevin Feige, please put these deleted scenes into the Okoye series!
17:33 Kang reveales himself as a future King of Wakanda that identified the moment of the Kingdom fall as being a moment in time to take perfect advantage of plus he brings Killmonger for the ride as well.
I don't understand why streaming sites never put up extras. I'm not a collector, I don't own a blu ray player, I don't want to have all those discs taking up space, I just want to sometimes watch those featurettes.
Yeah, several of those deleted scenes would have changed the tone at the end of the movie. I never once saw any hint of a fractured Wakanda at the end. I figured M'Bari took the role as King with Shuri's blessing and she stayed on as Black Panther. I mean, is there any law in Wakanda that says the two must be the same person?
I cant wait to see some of Agent Ross’s spy skills in Secret Invasion
Watched Wakanda Forever on my flight home to LA and enjoyed it. Wish they kept these scenes in
This would have been awesome to see especially if this is meant to set up Okoye’s series.
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Glad to see the background on Aneka why she easily chose to be a Midnight Angel.
Danai is my Idol I'm gonna watch anything she's in anyway.🤣💜
I hope they do a director cut
I truly believe Nakia would have made a better Black Panther since she was more of a warrior fighter type while Shuri is more of an intelligent character but I mean Tony was also a more intelligent character and he was also one of the best fighters so I understand the leap from an unskilled fighter gaining enhancement to become the superhero but the skills Nakia already had would have been well earned as the next Black Panther!
You're amazing.
How about a "OOPS! all Doug!" episode? :)
This was amazing delete scene tbh wish they kept it.
Prayer circle that the Okoye stuff was cut because the series is definitely happening and they want to do it there and let this one be Shuri's film.
I Could see the Midnight Angels teaming up with Ironheart
For some reason, the 'Outside the Scope' clip that is on CZcams doesn't include the part where Aneka quits. I assume it's only on the physical release of the film. But, if anyone has a link to the full, deleted scene of the deleted scene, that would be appreciated.
Also, Nakia is River Tribe. So T'Challa's heir being half River Tribe may lead to further tribal political turmoil in Wakanda (which may be why they hid him in Haiti).
i think since T’Challa is royal blood, his son would be counted as one from which ever T’Challa’s tribe is by default.
@@audiec03 But having familial loyalty to the River Tribe may cause some consternation for leaders of Border, Merchant, Jabari.
Isn't Shuri also half river tribe. Ramonda is from River tribe
@@audiec03 It is never confirmed but I always assumed royals did not belong to a tribe.
Wakandan is Wakandan; Bashenga's tribe is never mentioned (only that he was a warrior-shaman), but it is pretty obvious that he found his wife among the 4 Tribes that stayed under his rule, with his heirs finding their spouses from among the 4 Tribes, with that continuing on for the next 6000 years until the modern day (even though it's stressed that the Jabari are isolated, and a prior King hadn't approached in centuries, maybe a touch of Bashenga's line got to Jabariland too).
When T'Challa takes his 2nd trip to the Ancestral Plane, beyond T'Chaka (even T'Chaka's tunic had shade of Merchant Tribe), you saw shadows of the other prior Panthers in garb that transversed all the various tribes of Wakanda, sans Jabari.
Marrying a woman from the River is fine; no different that Ramonda being in garb hinting at ties to the Border.
Awesome video, just finished watching BP WF for the 9thx in theater, luv the movie,...these deleted scenes are very interesting, cant wait for the 3rd installment.
and i have a question for you or all the people here that read comic books especially BP or Riri as new IM,....
for you that missed it or didnt noticed,...Kill Monger mentioned that Shuri's mother saved a child from the lost tribe...and i believe this is Riri Williams, Riri had no parents, she's adopted...is she from Wakanda..? or from other tribe in Wakanda nation..? or others..?
I was just watching this movie with my family a few minutes ago.
Yeah I'm here.
Also Ayo should've had more scenes.
I just cant believe Okoye doesnt also come with a Holo shield in one of the beads.
Looking forward to watching the deleted scenes. Maybe with some quick switches, I can go back and forth between Blu-ray and Disney plus to get the 'complete' version 🤔😉😁
I thought he flushed them because the guy said the noise was because “they didn’t fix the bathroom” so that tells Ross “there’s a bathroom directly above this room” this flushing the beads above the room
A lot of the yellow and blue shown throughout Phase 4 is seen in these deleted scenes. I wonder if it points to something in the overall story or just a nod to the X-Men coming later on.
When did ScreenCrush become an episode of Blue's Clues?
Multiple people vying for the destabilization of Wakanda and at the heart of it all, Doom.