God: The First Mover
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- A twist on the Kalam, the universe exists therefore someone created it.
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"Everything needs a creator and everything that moves ultimately needs a first mover and a creator except for my guy. It's Logic™️ and not special pleading at all"
Amazon should start a Moving company and call it *_Prime Movers_*
The universe didn't have to have a beginning
Of course God was the first mover. Before Him, no one else had got up and danced (presumably to the music of the spheres)
Maybe he danced rings around Saturn.
Being the father, he was dad dancing, of course, moves as tired and hackneyed as the same old arguments dragged out of the past by apologists.
_"Oh my mortals.... Yahweh is... is he doing The Robot?"_
Have those theists never thought that the initiation of the first move, the prime mover event, could be the death of the god ?
They should consider it. Seriously. Because that is such an evident idea that it was in the texts that influenced Genesis.
This caller posed a question, but his thoughts and conclusions were not well-structured.
Even though we lack empirical evidence for events at the beginning of the universe (t=0), we can at least agree that something caused it to come into existence. Abstract concepts like these are often explored through philosophical arguments.
If we accept that something caused the universe's existence, we're left with two possibilities: intentional or non-intentional causation. Christians attribute the cause to God, suggesting intentional design. However, making this claim is pre-mature, as the universe could have emerged from a non-intentional cause.
Why is it so hard for people to say three simple words: "I dont know"
At the end of the call it was clear the caller wasn't listening like he should, or he's so indoctrinated he can't fathom the thought his god may not exist.
I think the opposite happened. I think I was confronted and genuinely listened to what they were say, (and more importantly) understood what they were saying.
I think that freaked him out so he hung up
My god is the real god but other people gods are demons argument never failed
I wish thry asked him how he knows his god wasn’t a 'demon' pretending to be a false god
If using the Jewish / Christian bible as a date / time scale and God being theignition, then factr in Shaman burials that predate that creation and homoerectus entering into what is now Russua. Then reconsider.
leave cosmology to astrophysicists or become one and ask questions with a different framework other than bronze age goat herders.
The unmoved mover - isn't that Aisling Bea? She says she won't even go see sad movies in case she is moved. She wanted to do her set sitting down, but then it couldn't legally be called 'standup' - heyooo!
More seriously - why does there need to be an 'unmoved mover'? If there is one, why can't there be two? Or any finite number? If there were (at least) one, how do you know it still exists? How do you know it is a being of the type you call a 'god'? How do you know what other properties it had, or has (if it still exists)?
'Unmoved mover' doesn't actually give you _anything_. And that's even _assuming_ that it exists in the first place, since it very well might _not_.
If a creation requires a creator, movement a mover, then what created the creator? Something can't come from nothing, except god because a universe could never have always existed. Just look at the trees!
Creator implies a Creatorer.
Creatorer implies Creatorest.
@@brucebaker810Creat're'll'd've
Here's where they inject their special pleading. "God always existed outside of time and space! Because I said so!"
Every theist believes they are correct. And every theist believe that theist from other religious are wrong.
Matt sounds really different here.
Not sure if it’s my audio or he’s learning a new accent.
can't tell if satire or genuine lol
@@CycocelVocalisthaha, im just messing with them. Am actually a big fan of the hosts 😂
I am an unmoved listener, Ulrich. Do better.
Again with this word "god." Given the thousands of mutually-incompatible gods proposed over human history, the word has no meaning. It's whatever a believer wants to say it is, and few of them agree with each in all particulars, even if of the same congregation of the same sect of the same religion. The onus should ALWAYS be placed on the apologist to persuade the hundreds of millions of religious people who don't agree with them, before trying to convince the atheist to agree with their personal delusions.
CZcams Atheists still don't know what "Big Bangs" are.
How do you know? Did you ask all of them?
Something something your mum last night something something.
The negation of the kalam is physics. Physics doesn't require magic or magical thinking. The kalam does require magic or magical thinking. Physics is real. Magic isn't real.