Some Shocking Electrical Faults - Three EICR's in a day?! Part 2 of 2
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- Some Shocking Electrical Faults - Three EICR's in a day?! Part 2 of 2
Join me as I attempt to do 3 EICR's in one day! And find some shocking things...
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Nice to know I'm not the only one doing EICRs on some "interesting" installations. 👍
😂😁
Not only the switches may or may not be earthed, but you dont need any tools to open them, that means a child could easily spin that cap off and access live parts
Yeah good point
Oh yeah good point, not having direct interaction with those you wouldn't necessarily immediately think of that. I'm brushing up on my knowledge just in case I have to go over the pond.... can you guess which country i'am in... I love to say oh Canada, but.
@@artisanelectrics But they are really nice, so converting them to low voltage (either switching a relay or doing the lighting in 12V LED) would be worth it.
@@HenryLoenwind nice? Look how far they stick out from the wall 🙄🙈
It's amazing what you find I am a CCTV and alarm engineer and I have seen some scary stuff too like mains for intruder alarm panel wired using 4 core alarm cable straight from the DB on a 32a mcb with no rcd and not even doubled up the cores I have found 18-32 way PSUs for CCTV spurred from a socket using sky coaxial cable, found access control systems wired used 1.5mm flex directly buried makes you think what sort of frame of mind these people have scary to think what work these people think they can do next maybe a little bit of GAS be ok
many years ago i fitted a DIY outside tap for a mate, the self cutting type as that's what he had brought, as i am doing this for free as he did me a good turn with a laptop that's what i used, job done,
about a month later phone rang "can i borrow your long drill bit?" long story short he is fitting one for his mate (charging him) has he watched me do his, so i nipped it him over and watched as you do as i need it regular so not leaving it behind, OMG, i am so glad i did and that he had not started, his water feed pipe was the gas pipe for the boiler!
Great content, I'm 16 and I'm trying to get an apprenticeship in electrics, these videos are really helpful. Keep up the good work!
GoldDrake thanks!
Good luck bro
@@user-wk7wv8rn8h Thank you!
Those nice Vintage MK toggle light switches could be refitted with flush mount safe new Crabtree Toggle switches that keep the perfect vintage look.
Wow, that last property is shocking!! ⚡️
Totally 🤯
14.05 most electricians finish at about 4 o’clock.You having an effing laugh !!!
😂
Most I know are in the pub by 15:00
Just a quick question Jordan, with regards the amount of sockets.What would you code it as? As long as the installation is wired to the edition it was designed to (eg. 15th, 16th) then the amount of sockets isn't an issue is it? I understand that the extension leads will be a fire hazard, so would you code it as a C3 recommendation? Im training to the 18th edition which says more sockets should be installed, but these properties were designed and built many years ago, when there wasn't a need for so many sockets. Some people were lucky to have a TV etc
Waw you said it Jordan, those spots are beyond belief staggering mate.
😂
Just a quick question what was the white seal on the 32a mcb for ? The box where the buzz bar was black
Had to go one and a half videos of house tours before I got the content I wanted.
I love these old switches. You can buy remakes or originals that have been modified to be safer. Please don't chuck them, whatever you do! I love installing the retro metal industrial light switches with pyro for a retro 'steampunk' look.
Yeah I love them too! Customer asked to keep them so we didn’t get to take them for my “museum”
@@artisanelectrics You can make them safer by putting some insulating material over the connections and putting a set screw on the bottom so the covers can't be easily taken off.... And I agree with your customer, they are great - probably cost a pretty penny to get them and they are likely to last longer than anything modern.
Can you solder an earth to the casing to make them safe? They shouldn't be chucked as they look great but probably because they have been using brasso on them.
@@nopy99 I'm not sure as the brass bit unscrews. You might be able to solder something on the inside where it can make contact. I've only installed all-metal industrial ones which are easy to earth.
I got a feeling the electrics were gonna be interesting when I saw all the speed fit elbows on the boiler install.... Jack of all trades, master of none..
Well spotted!
Those speedfit fittings are bloody dangerous , in many older properties the water pipes supply the main earth , one speed fiitting no earth don't even get me started on plastic pipeing internally
Is it compliant to have the main earth supplied by the water pipe? I didn’t even know that was a thing
@@ajthegreat2006 Common practice into the 1960's in rural areas phased out as plastic mains started to become the norm until then underground was copper or lead from the house to the main service in the road . The earth the waterpipe supplied was far better than any copper rods .
Thank you
Horror movies are you. Truly frightening. Thanks for the vid.
At 26:10 , I was facepalming and crying of laughter. 😂
Now I am very curious as how they were connected at the junction box going to the distribution unit/switches.
Regarding the kitchen downlights...
Some of those CPC's were connected to the switched feed at the fitting, so if all CPC's are connected back at the metal consumer unit as they should be, then every time they turn on the kitchen lights they will be energising the consumer unit too...
How the heck did that never pop a breaker...?
Sounds to me like the whole installation was never earthed correctly at the incomer...
So that also means that every earth pin in every socket outlet would have become live every time the kitchen lights were switched on..
So anything with a metal housing like a toaster or oven would have become live..!
With the piece on the safe and trouser press etc. I thought I’d tuned in to Through the Keyhole for a minute!
😂
Saw that once on site too opened up a choc box and it had the earth connected with the permanent live. Must've been the painters.
Do you just disconnect the kitchen lights completely? Due to safety? or do you have to leave them in that state if all you are doing is safety checks?
I know DIY's get a lot of stick, but whoever did that shouldn't even be allowed to plug in a kettle. I am one of your so hated DIY'ers but I always research, double research, check the latest codes, comply with them and then test the bloody thing as best I can. Amazing what you can check with just a simple multimeter. I also use a Kewteck 2 pole continuity tester to make sure the thing really is dead, so cheap to get and you really do want to know that line is dead. I had enough electrical shocks as a child due to my unfortunate habbit of taking everything apart to see how it worked.
what i did come across a lot some years back twin and earth used in two way light switches instead of 3 core , same electrical contractor had rewired the properties over a period of years those lights were horrendous though .
I'm glad the requirement for EICR's on rentals has come in, flats like Grenfell were built in the early 70s, the wiring regs over the past 50 years have been updated and meanwhile there has been 50 years of DIY bodging by cheap landlords.
Looks like you might end up with quite a bit of work from those EICR, extra sockets definitely needed.
You got that right!
DIY changing light fittings because it doesn't take much time to do it and saves you a fortune! As long as you actually know what you are doing lol!
Out of curiosity regarding the last property with the downlights with CPC attached to the Live would that mean the entire house CPC has gone live, including main bonding to the water and gas?
At 4:42 .. when you was about leaving the staircase cupboard. I was feeling 'aaaah' why didn't you look on the other side of the wall, where the 3 round hole socket was to see if it was connected or not ... :D
Those DL terminations were unbelievable. Also interested to know what code you gave the upstairs sockets with no RCD protection.
Upstairs sockets with no RCD is a C3 for me but downstairs would be a C2 unless there is an RCD socket outside.
“Most electricians finish about 4 o’clock”….. if only……. (just think of the overtime!!)
If they'd put those archi boxes in horizontally they could have used 3.5mm screws to mount the lights to them and they'd be earthed twice then!
Did you fix the toaster issue?
Yeah just put it in the bath... 😂
House 3 - consumer unit - what was the white 'gunk' on screw terminal of the load side of that 32A breaker?
Think that's the manufacturer's glue to stop you undoing that screw- they have used the mcb gubbins in the making of an rcbo
Yeah think you’re right
Yes that's factory-installed group it's a standard 32 amp breaker with a wire factory-installed going to a RCD next to it by a pigtail. It must be a unit that predates the combination breaker rcd units where they use two separate modules essentially glued together.
Did you fail the lighting circuit serving the bathroom for no RCD protection or sub bonding?
As another sparks carrying out EICRs I've been loving the videos
No RCD C3 no bonding C2
I have to ask, why does a TN-S get recorded as a TN-S when most likely it's a TN-C-S disguised as a TN-S? I mean due to DNO cable repairs, changes at the transformer, etc, etc.
Wow. Those kitchen downlights shockingly bad wiring. A definite DIY job. Must have been a real live wire
As a non electrician but my previous trades and current trade touches on electricity, i have undertaken my own electrical work like replacement of electrical showers, outside pool pumps, power flex replacement on tools, connect or disconnect 3 phase or other electrical equipment, i always try to do a safe neat job and if in doubt, check with a multimeter before delving in to ensure any previous existing wiring hasn't been installed wrong, for example a single pole switch may be wired on the neutral instead of on the live side. On occasion i do have an electrician check the work and they are happy each time. However, the stuff i see on this video bodge wise is truly terrible
15:04 that's bang mark
4:04 the safe has metal door, definitely shouldn't touch the circuitry in the back there.
In a country where people learn how to wire plugs onto their devices people will think they can wire more stuff, too...
I'm more surprised on how people mess up so badly about connecting 3 wires together.
With the live connected straight to earth, how did that setup ever even work for the previous owners? Wouldn't it trip the moment you turned the light on?
Full re-wire for the landlord allowing DIY electrics
Yep 😆
Should put a condition on your paperwork that should you find "DIY (not) work" it's an instant fail.
@Maxwell Severins Not exactly what I meant. I know that there are DIYer's out there at that could actually do a good job. I myself am one although I consider myself a "professional amateur electrician" ( For now...). It's when you come across something that's almost fatally wrong you should "almost condemn" the installation for an entire systems check because you don't know what has been messed with.
How are you proving polarity by r2 testing. You would have to carry out a earth loop at every point?
R2 leads are great bit sometimes polarity goes by the wayside. 👍
On an EICR, you can confirm polarity with an R2 lead on sockets & a Zs you can confirm polarity on lights you inspected, visually, you don’t inspect 100% unless that was required.
The CPC was live anyway. I wonder how far back towards the DB that went.
Yeah that’s right
Ffs!.. Abysmal 😱 a never ending supply of work to correct. Those downlights, and metal fittings, switches, the whole place is a death trap.
Yep 😬
That blackness on the busbar....is that not caused by an overheated/exploded/burnt RCBO? I though I saw some signs of overheating on the adjacent circuit breaker as well? Might be wrong.
My thought as well. There's one brand of panel in the US (Zinsco) that is very prone to arcing like this, sometimes to the point of welding the breaker to the busbar. They manufacturer is thankfully now defunct, but there seem to still be a lot of the panels out there. inspectapedia.com/electric/GTE_Sylvania_Kearney_Zinsco_Failure.php has some great information and pictures, if anyone's curious.
Quick question Jordan do you put a label on a consumer unit with all RCD test results something GAZ at GSH was mentioning that many electricians don’t do and he views that as good practice independent of the EICR results. Sounds like something I would appreciate great to hear your views.
Good shout I might start doing that...
Tom does it too
Good
Thanks
2:40 A BS 951 clamp fitted to the lead sheath of the supply cable does not make a TNS system, because it is not a compliant use. "Such clamps are not intended for connection to the armour or sheath of a cable".
Thanks. What would you code it as and what would you do to rectify it??
Surly if it tests fine then it’s doing it’s job. then a C3 or even a noting it on the test results would suffice
@@artisanelectrics In my opinion, an inadequate earthing conductor connection arrangement is potentially dangerous - see 542.3.2. Also see 134.1.1 regarding "proper materials". The situation may be rectified by requesting a PME upgrade.
@@artisanelectrics Constant tension spring clamps. Think Hepworth and 3M are brands that ring a bell.
But I have seen Norweb (now ENWL) do plenty before they brought in the springs.
More house inspector than electrical inspector.
And Deed inspector.
Haha true
Congratulations sir you have won the internet for your entry in category: downlights. I have yet to see anything that bad wow.......
HAHA thanks
Mate BS951 clamp on TNS is a no no. Contact DNO For them to install (sweated) bond wire. I’d code this a C2. Even if it’s tight it’s not correc.
Problem is my DNO would just put a new clamp on it 😂
Artisan Electrics sad times, my local one are strict.
What do you do in cases like this, where its clearly dangerous, you issue the warning, but then the customer doesn't want to pay for the remedial work? How do you cover yourself, and protect tenants from potential harm ? FYI I'm not a sparky, I just like your videos.
ratgreen the new GOV regulations for landlords mean they will force the landlord to get the remedial work done or fine them £30k
Noticed some of the back boxes didn't have grommets in???
Why are the 3rd breaker line connections potted?
Not sure what you mean
I think I saw that but looked more like melted plastic
There was white stuff over the screw terminal
@@artisanelectrics Look at 15:35
It’s because it’s an RCBO
Did a re-wire a few years back and the customer spec had those vintage switches on it. After a tonne of research they actually still comply with modern BS for switches. Don't often come across the metal domed ones but the mounting plate is normally earthed.
Wow cool
@@artisanelectrics You can also buy brand new versions from Switch To Wood down in Sussex. BS EN 60669-1 is the magic book if I remember rightly.
I bet that corrosion on the lead in the consumer unit is from a dead mouse.
That last property was, no pun intended really shocking. 😱😱😱
Yeah 😆
C1 disconnect the lights and notify as dangerous situation.
John Tressler yeah we replaced them and rewired them
@@artisanelectrics no doubt.
Careful John you have no right to disconnect anything .
Do old Florencent strip lights in bathroom comply if they comply
Nigel Lewis doubtful that they are IP rated
Those old metal switches aren't as scary as some of the plastic junk that's out there I mean it was designed from the beginning to never come in contact with anything if properly installed or unless somebody did something stupid. the new ones can just fail.
Yeah they certainly were well built back then
Well built and very nice but regardless of if the metal is earthed I'd be giving it a C2 for toolless access to live parts. I can't remember off hand the reg that permits it on ceiling roses and pull switches but that's almost akin to 'placing out of reach'. Part of me thinks they'll ban toolless entry ceiling roses in a few years, but if they're supplying traditional bayonet lampholders there's probably no point...
Edit: 416.2.4
Yeah good point
Don’t unscrew round light switches or stick your fingers in here 😂
Not unless you've licked your fingers first. 😆
I'm absolutely sure they weren't earthed originally but had cardboard-like sleeves inside those metal covers. They're absolutely beautiful but I'm worried because those covers unscrew so easily.
Yeah true
@@Ragnar8504 The switches used to have small asbestos sleeves and the terminals seperated usually mounted on a nice timber or bakerlite box , they were actually quite safe as billy no brains the local diy expert didnt exist , ceilings were very high , floors were wooden all the fittings were well made so you were pretty well insulated
landlord will probably say they can get someone cheaper and do it their selfs
Trust me it's not just you that has these jobs! 🙈😂
👍
Yep me as well.
"But it works OK " says the client😱
David B classic!
Nosey :)
Are you going to film the other EICRs ?
Gonna do as many as I can, got another empty one to do next week. Also got remedial work on a terrible one to do so def gonna film that!
Looking forward to see that
nice place but those switches are really dangerous, I am pretty sure you can buy replicas that are safe.
Surprised you have opened the safe and looked through personal documents.
The key was in the safe so if he didn't the new tenants would.
Didn't film going through the knicker drawer though.
😂
@@Kevin-mp5of Then Jordan would probably not have uploaded the video.
Stuart Arnold you guys are hilarious 😂
Hard to believe some people's attitude to electrics. How some of these installations have not resulted in fire is beyond me. Those downlighters were obviously fitted by a dangerous DIYer; the type who think they know what to do. Clearly not.
Disgusted that you felt it was OK to go though peoples personal belongings 3.44
bdawinton yh, that’s bad man.. i wouldn’t invite you to my home
I’m no electrician, but at what point does it enter into somebodies head to connect the earth to the line conductor?!? I could (almost) forgive an ignorant DIYer from connecting earth and neutral, and at least it wouldn’t have been AS dangerous... but really?!
I know... it’s beyond belief
Description's wrong, not 1 of 2...
Thanks! Well spotted!
Just changed it
yes i enjoyed the video I'm glad i don't do it no more. now it all diys my explanation they don't think about it through fully when attempting diy electrics
Most of the accessories look the same brand as the CU, so it was probably all done together.
You don't need fire-rated down lighters in a fire-rated ceiling (one that is two layers of board thick where the joints are staggered). Usually this is where there is a different property above ie shop below and flat above. 0.5 flex is 3A max, 0.75 is 6A.
Yeah quite rare to have a fire rated ceiling tho
No you only need fire rated lights in a fire rated ceiling . If the ceiling isn’t fire rated why on earth would you need to maintain the fire integrity of a Ceiling with no fire integrity ? If it’s a house within the same fire zone you don’t need them if it’s flats and they’re all individual zones then they’re needed ...
I’m pretty sure you need to fit fire rated downlights in a house if the ceiling has a floor above.
Artisan Electrics every day is a school day , i wouldn’t install anything other than fire rated but it’s a building reg and unless one is sure about fire zones and partitions, blanket recommending them is a bit of a grey area a bit like blanket recommending board changes due to not being metal ...
@@artisanelectrics You only need fire rated downlights if the rooms above are inhabited and the ceiling is fire rated either double boarded or single pink board , it also depends on the type of downlighter your installing , its often advisable to use hoods if the viod is small or has insulation , to keep a seperation between
Those downlights wow...
I know 🤦♂️
Cable colour identification is poor. Do you mark down when 3core pvc/pvc is used?
25:40 I call that a DI(whY) :D
😂
I'm a bit puzzled by your comment about the vintage consumer unit being fine to be in that small room with the sink. Puzzled because you're in the country that has the puny shaver sockets in the bathroom (not a thing here in Italy, we have normal sockets everywhere).
But you also have electrical showers so I guess UK's relationship with electricity is a bit weird
So basically m8 you have done 1 small property EICR and 2 quotes in 1 day. I would never book 2 in. Nice try though.
No I did two full EICR's in that day, see part one for the EICR I did in the morning. That was a shocker so took longer than expected, I visited 4 properties in total on that day but only did 2 EICRs
why are you going to rip off the poor old lady with a call out charge , and not just tell her to plug out toaster and let it dry out , and reset trip switches , this is why sparks have a bad name (;-)
The toaster was completely trashed I had to tell her to get a new one, and she didn’t know how to reset the RCD herself. She was extremely grateful for me coming out so quickly and very happy to pay for my time as all appreciative customers are.
@@artisanelectrics Personally i wouldn't have charged, goodwill goes along way and oldies gossip
@@Kevin-mp5of yes i know but what's it took him to flick a breaker on
You ask why people think they can do it themselves - on the other hand people ask themselves why you get three totally different EICR results if you ask just two sparks. Maybe try and talk to David Savery about what to fail and what not to. He seems to be way more knowledgeable then you, when it comes to what the regs actually say. Don't throw around accusations if you cannot even agree between sparks what actually is to code and what is not.
Did you come round to do a eicr or to be bloody nosey Cani come round to your house and be bloody nosey any decent electrician would just do the eicr and go
Do you get permission to film in peoples houses ?
Yes I have to have permission to film most customers don’t mind though.
@@artisanelectrics Do you offer a discount to them ? Otherwise I am not sure of the incentive.
3D Motor Maker no it’s just part of my terms when people accept my quotes they agree that I can film in their property and post for social media etc.
@@artisanelectrics Oh - good idea I suppose.
I can't believe you would betray your clients trust in you by going through their private info on CZcams for the world to see. I hope they don't watch this
It’s not private info it’s basically a museum piece they have left there for everyone to enjoy including the new tenants when they move in. Why would they frame it and put it on the wall otherwise?
@@artisanelectrics I was talking about going into the safe and looking at documents. They could have been anything!!!
Obviously I wouldn’t have posted that part if there was anything sensitive in there. I never post anything that could identify my clients personal details etc.
@@artisanelectrics Please don't think i am trying to get at you Jorden, i'm not. It's just we as electricians are privileged to be trusted by our clients, especially when their property is empty. To do a professional job to a great standard. Trust is a delicate thing and so is a reputation. Once broken or lost, it can be difficult to regain, not just for that customer, but for any others who have watched your video.
Yes you’re right Brian thanks I do appreciate your feedback.
I'll tell you what int cool is nosing in other people's properties do your job mate and don't stick your nose into what does not concern you