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The 4 varnas of Hinduism have nothing to do with the [British] caste system: Jeffrey Armstrong explains varna vs. caste as only he can, in this week's Vedic Vidya
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Caste word isn't even HINDU ITS PORTUGESE
It does not matter, There was Jati which means the same.
@@DipakBose-bq1vv jati not VARNA SYSTEM WHICH WAS BASED ON PROFESSIONS TO RUN TEH SOCIETY BUT SADLY WAS EXPLOITED BY FEW AND NO KARMA DOESNT DECIDE YOUR CASTE TOO BUT YOU CANT BLAME THE OLDEST RELIGION FOR THAT OR ELSE ONE CAN ARGUE SAME ABOUT OTHER RELIGIONS BAD PRACTICES WHICH WERE EXPLOITED
@@DipakBose-bq1vvjati means means what u are , Varna means yr work ?
@@DipakBose-bq1vvIt's not same. Definition in our scientists justifies that.
@@DipakBose-bq1vv jati haar tarh ki hoti hai like insano ki jati janvro k jati devo ki jati ya varg........ Jese. Monkey jati monkey ki parjati 😏
If you go back, the so called CASTE were created by British to divide Indians after 1857 mutiny. Those British rulers got this bright idea and put in the census. If someone didn’t know his do called CASTE they had to write something to complete the census!!
it was the christens
No, it is not true. Read my message.
@@DipakBose-bq1vvNo need to read your message. We understand, we can read, we can analyse.
Caste system was emphasised by the British and used it for dividing Hindu society. The successors of British mainly Cong , guided and aided by the LeLi anti Hindu intellectuals perpetuated it and one may say , blew it out of proportion to keep Hindus divided so as keep the power to themselves. Another aim was to avoid at all costs renaissance of Sanatana Culture which was all embracing. Unfortunately, the education system designed by Nehruvian educationists have been successful to raise generations of Hindus who are totally unaware of their own religion and culture. Modi is trying to revive but there is a long way to go.
It was there in different names like Jati. Caste system was there. It was not invented by the British.
I have been to many countries. Especially Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, America, Europe, and Russia.
Most Hindus living in Malaysia, Singapore, and Indonesia do not know their caste/jati (except a few politicians). Here, Hinduism does not teach caste or jati.
More than 10 lakh white people live as Hindus in countries like America, Europe, and Russia. (ISKCON, Saiva Siddhanta Church, Hindu Council of Russia, etc.) Here, if you ask, "What caste are you?" the Hindu’s reply is “I don’t get it”. Here, too, Hinduism does not teach caste or jati.
But Hindus speak caste/jati only in India. Not only with Hindus but also with other religions!
Casteism in India is rooted in culture, not religion. It is not religion that fosters caste here, it is corrupted politicians.
Great video!! Thank you ❤🙏🏼
Hare Krishna. This was a brilliant explanation. A little 'refresher course' on the Bhagavad-gita. It's always important to know the truth because it shifts your perspective on things. Something that is needed badly right now.
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Why not declare in simple words that VARNAS appear thousands of years back and the latest is in GEETAJI five thousand years old .Thus applicable to all living beings. Human is having capacity to change if desired( with prescribed efforts).These are inferences from many TEXTS available.
Very well explained! I had no idea and I am Desi!
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Because?
i like visuals used in making this video. Subject well covered for USA audience
Very nicely explained
Colonization is the ignition to Kaliyuga and the misunderstanding of their own concepts by Indians acted as a catalyst to this process. There is no return now. People who get refreshed with such forgotten concepts will only stall the fall of the system but its not enough. Life is hitting its rebooting phase or the end of Kaliyuga
I like when we deny it. Helps us to ignore its presence.
The idea is not to deny it but more to find out why it is present. And then to demolish it so that it loses it’s presence.
India has an ongoing momentum of many thousands of years of tradition, practice, philosophy of happy harmonious life with no border defense restrictions against invaders and immigration of people from all over. Caste discrimination is manufactured by AntiIndia conspiracy. It is just social architecture to manage natural differences. Differences are given and cannot be politically changed to satisfy sociologists whimsical verbose platitudes.
My respect to the professor. He's obviously done in depth study of the Hindu culture and appears to have assimilated to Hindu way of life. Very happy for you professor & wish you a long and good life.
However I have to disagree with some things said. As already mention by many here, caste system was devised by the British. It was a British instrument to facilitate their rule and to hold on to the administration of that country with an iron grip - Divide & rule.
1st rule of humanity.
No one has to stay locked in any preconceived box. The human brain is a marvelous organ that has unlimited capacity. No matter who you are or have been in your previous birth, the ability to bring change is total in ones hands.
The opportunity today is limitless. Its pure nonsense to limit ones boundaries based on previous life!
Truth
Sings: “It ain’t necessarily so...” 🎤
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices"It ain't necessarily so" sings a person (with a preconceived notion) who doesn't want to know what is the truth. You can't wake up a person who is pretending to be asleep, can ya?
Namaste 🙏
Don't identify yourself with the imposed british caste system! Start saying you are SANATANI! The caste system will vanish automaticly!
Namaste🙏
Sree Gurubhyo Namaha 🙏🏻🙇
Even though Chapters 19-24 (bar Chapter 22) amply explicates the underlying principle for the NATURAL system of class structure of adult males within society, and for the NATURAL hierarchy of collective humanity, based on the obvious fact that equality is non-existent in the macro sphere, and the fact that human society, as with most animal species, requires specialization in order to properly function, the following Glossary entry has been included simply due to the fact that Bhāratīya (Indian) society has become adulterated by a gross misunderstanding of this NATURAL hierarchical structure over the past few centuries, and the fact that Indians are most likely to comprehend this Holy Scripture.
caste: This English term originates from the mid sixteenth century (in the general sense “race, breed”): from Spanish and Portuguese “casta” (“lineage, race, breed”), feminine of “casto” (meaning “pure, unmixed”), from Latin “castus” (meaning “chaste”).
Therefore, the term “caste” should NEVER be used instead of “class”, and especially ought not be conflated with the notion of “varna” (literally, “colour”), an ancient Sanskrit word that refers to the natural-born proclivities of adult males and their occupations.
As clearly explained in Chapter 19 of this “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”, the division of adult males into four social classes (that is, priests, kings, businessmen, and workers) has absolutely naught to do with one’s birth but ENTIRELY dependent upon a man’s innate qualities and the kind of work he is performing (“guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ”, in Sanskrit). Of course, it may seem rather bewildering to consider that a man born to a carpenter, for instance, has the opportunity to break away from his social milieux/ circumstances and become a king, for example, but it does happen more often than one may believe. In my own particular case, I was born the son of a working-class man (an aircraft instrument maker, to be precise), yet in my early twenties, became attracted to the monastic life, swiftly becoming a member of the Holy Priesthood, and eventually the current World Teacher Himself. If I had not joined the priesthood, but had decided to devote my adult life to some kind of manual work, such as that of my father, I would still probably have embodied the priestly qualities enumerated in Chapter 20 (since that is my nature) but I could not in all honestly claim to be a priest/guru, because my occupation would have been other than that of a spiritual guide, at the risk of stating the obvious.
So, in summary, it is ABSOLUTELY imperative that, in order to claim that any particular man is a member of any particular social class, that he both exemplifies the pertinent qualities of the particular class and actually works in that class (although, at the risk of sounding sophistic, only members of the working class, by definition, work - priests and monarchs, for instance, have a “vocation”).
Therefore, there is no such thing as a child or a woman belonging to any social class. As a child, I was not a member of the working class, even though my father was a worker, since, as a child, I did not work, nor was I member of the Priesthood, since I had yet to join the monastery/seminary until I was well into adulthood. Similarly, there is most definitely no such thing, for example, as a “Brahmin* woman”, since, excepting extenuating circumstances, women can not and should not perform male roles.
*Brāhmaṇa
Not that fast Mr Vegan - Jathi and Varna ≠ Caste. The term jathi (often mistranslated as 'caste') is best understood in the sense of a set, as in mathematics or a genre in literature. It applies to non-human entities as well - for example, the jathi of trees, jati of rational numbers, jathi of verbs, and so on. In the human context, a nation is a jathi, a given religious group is a jathi, doctors/engineers are a jathi, men/women a jathi, gay people are a jathi, the military is a jathi, the employees of a given company are a jathi, etc. Similarly, the word 'varna' means 'color'. Varna also refers to the various personalities and qualities of people. An individual's varna is based on past karma (NOT BIRTH) which shapes gunas, the latter being individual qualities or tendencies.
Rigid birth based caste system (which did not allow social mobility) was created by Lord Risley or Herbert Hope Risley (a British agent) in the 19th century. He morphed ancient and flexible jathis (occupational groups which allowed social mobility) and 4 varnas (colors of character of a person shaped by past karma not birth family) and RE- classified people based on race science (nose size and head shape). The same race science was later used in Africa by Christian missionaries which led to Rwandan genocide and conversions.
If “caste discrimination” was linked to Hindu tradition and limited only to Hindu community then why Dalit Christians would have separate churches (since upper caste Christians don't allow them to enter in their Churches and even if they did allow them they would make sure that Dalits were made to sit or stand separately in a corner) or why Islam would have Ashraf (direct descendants of fair skinned Arabs) and Ajlafs (dark skinned converts to Islam)? and last I checked Pasmanda Muslims (low caste muslims) voted overwhelmingly for the BJP in UP for giving them political representation. Pasmandas amongst Muslims are OBCs (Ajlaf) and Dalits (Arjals), distinct from Ashrafs (upper castes like sheikhs, maliks, pathans, Sayeds)
it is the reason why, Christians and Muslims are asking for SC/ST reservation status for their converted 'Dalits" which also means it is a social issue and nothing to do with Hindu tradition or any religion
Bhagwat geeta, krishna's vaani-
चातुर्वर्ण्यं मया सृष्टं गुणकर्मविभागश: |
तस्य कर्तारमपि मां विद्ध्यकर्तारमव्ययम् || 13||
chātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛiṣhṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśhaḥ
tasya kartāram api māṁ viddhyakartāram avyayam
the 4 varnas are made according to a person's guna(talents) and karma(deeds/duty) and not by birth.
these are made or the civilization to work(like not everybody can be a soldier, we need teachers, businessmen, and people of other jobs) these don't tell people to discriminate. so this is religion.
brahmin- teacher/ preacher/preist
kshatriya- soldier
vaishya- people working in business sector
shudra- people working in service sector.
and as society evolves, people in power , keep the power in their family by giving power to their children. we also see this now. so that's how its abused. and british literally fueled and forged indian texts and by divide and rule, established the hatered.
If this Varna system was so perfect then why did it collapse before dozens of invaders and colonizers? After all happy people were supposed to out think, out fight, our produce and out service the aggressors?
"Varna system" Jathi and Varna ≠ Caste. The term jathi (often mistranslated as 'caste') is best understood in the sense of a set, as in mathematics or a genre in literature. It applies to non-human entities as well - for example, the jathi of trees, jati of rational numbers, jathi of verbs, and so on. In the human context, a nation is a jathi, a given religious group is a jathi, doctors/engineers are a jathi, men/women a jathi, gay people are a jathi, the military is a jathi, the employees of a given company are a jathi, etc. Similarly, the word 'varna' means 'color'. Varna also refers to the various personalities and qualities of people. An individual's varna is based on past karma (NOT BIRTH) which shapes gunas, the latter being individual qualities or tendencies.
Rigid birth based caste system (which did not allow social mobility) was created by Lord Risley or Herbert Hope Risley (a British agent) in the 19th century. He morphed ancient and flexible jathis (occupational groups which allowed social mobility) and 4 varnas (colors of character of a person shaped by past karma not birth family) and RE- classified people based on race science (nose size and head shape). The same race science was later used in Africa by Christian missionaries which led to Rwandan genocide and conversions.
If “caste discrimination” was linked to Hindu tradition and limited only to Hindu community then why Dalit Christians would have separate churches (since upper caste Christians don't allow them to enter in their Churches and even if they did allow them they would make sure that Dalits were made to sit or stand separately in a corner) or why Islam would have Ashraf (direct descendants of fair skinned Arabs) and Ajlafs (dark skinned converts to Islam)? and last I checked Pasmanda Muslims (low caste muslims) voted overwhelmingly for the BJP in UP for giving them political representation. Pasmandas amongst Muslims are OBCs (Ajlaf) and Dalits (Arjals), distinct from Ashrafs (upper castes like sheikhs, maliks, pathans, Sayeds)
it is the reason why, Christians and Muslims are asking for SC/ST reservation status for their converted 'Dalits" which also means it is a social issue and nothing to do with Hindu tradition or any religion
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The very reason that santani did not convert significantly during Islamic invasion and later in british evwn though had enough threat to life , women, taxation benefits confirms that caste discrimination is a propaganda of British to divide hindus and covert
Caste system was just a division of labour which all civilizations had implemented
Jathi is different from rigid birth caste system created by Lord Risley in the 19th century.
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Casteless society “may be” theoretically politically possible only through man made legal system. Difference-less society is impossible, just philosophically impossible anytime, anyplace . It is the differences that keep collective living of humans and all life (and non-life things) working in nature together continuously. This cannot be flouted or subverted by politically fanciful ideologies and constitutionally legislated framework.
Cannot humanly subvert and manipulate time constants of natural processes and processes for that matter. It just exists.
What is modern-that exist in front of us-Education andTraining System do.They select,admit ,instruct.They grade students.What is grading?Very good,somewhat good,not so good -thus goes grading.Dropouts are common and abound.Everybody is put in cubbyholes for rest of their lives.
Sad ...no matter how you explain it , its still plaguing Bharat. All must equal now.🤔
Caste system is not Hindu traditions. If its limited to Hinduism, why there sre seperate Churches for Dalit and Brahmins xtsins!? Why muslims and Xtsins are asking for SC/ST reservation!? Are they following hinduism, our multiple gods!? It's social issue. can be clearly understood. Caste system became rigid after Goa inquition, when Portugese xtsins failed to convert, Brahmins, even after cruel forces. 0:02
Bhagwat geeta, krishna's vaani-
चातुर्वर्ण्यं मया सृष्टं गुणकर्मविभागश: |
तस्य कर्तारमपि मां विद्ध्यकर्तारमव्ययम् || 13||
chātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛiṣhṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśhaḥ
tasya kartāram api māṁ viddhyakartāram avyayam
the 4 varnas are made according to a person's guna(talents) and karma(deeds/duty) and not by birth.
these are made or the civilization to work(like not everybody can be a soldier, we need teachers, businessmen, and people of other jobs) these don't tell people to discriminate. so this is religion.
brahmin- teacher/ preacher/preist
kshatriya- soldier
vaishya- people working in business sector
shudra- people working in service sector.
and as society evolves, people in power , keep the power in their family by giving power to their children. we also see this now. so that's how its abused. and british literally fueled and forged indian texts and by divide and rule, established the hatered.
Social stratification common in countries but Britishers and Ambedkar, Gandhi made this caste system still ti continue which is the reason for caste politics.. If Ambedkar strictly leader of social justice he would have speak for poor and depressed people irrespective caste..
My ancestor RamRam Basu was appointed as the Professor in Sanskrit and Bengali in the Fort William College in 1800 in Calcutta but there was an objection from the Brahmin Professors that a Kayastha cannot teach Sanskrit. Thus, caste System was there in early 19th century; it was not invented by the British.
It was invented by the British Christians
Thank you Kavindra ji 🙏🏻 very very helpful!!
The claim that caste system didn't originate in India is ridiculous. But for the sake of argument let's assume it's true. If caste system was introduced by external elements, why were Indians so eager to accept it? Not only did they accept it wholeheartedly but also went on an overkill mode in oppressing their fellow Indians.
Indigenous origin of the caste system more suitably explains the situation observed.
1. Jathi and Varna ≠ Caste. The term jathi (often mistranslated as 'caste') is best understood in the sense of a set, as in mathematics or a genre in literature. It applies to non-human entities as well - for example, the jathi of trees, jati of rational numbers, jathi of verbs, and so on. In the human context, a nation is a jathi, a given religious group is a jathi, doctors/engineers are a jathi, men/women a jathi, gay people are a jathi, the military is a jathi, the employees of a given company are a jathi, etc. Similarly, the word 'varna' means 'color'. Varna also refers to the various personalities and qualities of people. An individual's varna is based on past karma (NOT BIRTH) which shapes gunas, the latter being individual qualities or tendencies.
2. If “caste discrimination” was linked to Hindu tradition and limited only to Hindu community then why Dalit Christians would have separate churches (since upper caste Christians don't allow them to enter in their Churches and even if they did allow them they would make sure that Dalits were made to sit or stand separately in a corner) or why Islam would have Ashraf (direct descendants of fair skinned Arabs) and Ajlafs (dark skinned converts to Islam)? and last I checked Pasmanda Muslims (low caste muslims) voted overwhelmingly for the BJP in UP for giving them political representation. Pasmandas amongst Muslims are OBCs (Ajlaf) and Dalits (Arjals), distinct from Ashrafs (upper castes like sheikhs, maliks, pathans, Sayeds)
it is the reason why, Christians and Muslims are asking for SC/ST reservation status for their converted 'Dalits" which also means it is a social issue and nothing to do with Hindu tradition or any religion
3. Rigid birth based caste system (which did not allow social mobility) was created by Lord Risley or Herbert Hope Risley (a British agent) in the 19th century. He morphed ancient and flexible jathis (occupational groups which allowed social mobility) and 4 varnas (colors of character of a person shaped by past karma not birth family) and RE- classified people based on race science (nose size and head shape). The same race science was later used in Africa by Christian missionaries which led to Rwandan genocide and conversions.
4. So called "untouchability" was a consequence of rigid birth based caste system. Colonialists (esp East India company agents) created hundreds of fake hindu mutts to prevent "shudras" from entering hindu temples. It was done to make hindus self loathe their own tradition
In Baghavad Gita - Chapter 4 Verse 13
Krishna talks about the 4 Varnas
catur-varnyam maya srstam
guna-karma-vibhagasah
meaning a person's guna or character and his choice of work (shaped by past karma NOT birth) determines Varna (color of qualities)
5. Point is don’t confuse artificially created social stratifications and socio/economic imbalances by colonialists with the hindu/dharmic tradition built around the Vedic metaphysics Sankhya which can be validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience (direct knowledge through focus and meditation)
So,what is the solution? Add the following lines in the Indian constitution.
One cannot be a Brahmin, Shudra, Vaishya and Kshatria by birth
Replace reservations based on birth with reservations based on income
Any jathi (occupational group which is different from rigid birth based caste system) or individual (regardless of birth) can have all the 4 Varnas based on individual qualities eg Fishermen community which has its own Brahmin (poojari), vaishya, Kshatriya and Shudra.
@@indianmilitaryYou have said a lot of things but you have not answered a simple question. If as you are saying, caste system was created by lord whoever, why did Indians accept it wholeheartedly and left no stone unturned to implement it? Why did they violently oppress their fellow Indians without any hesitation?