The Most Efficient Way to Learn Directional Air Rolling in Rocket League
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- Hey guys. So I made another video expanding on my first DAR tutorial video. I tried to explain things better and provide more context on how to apply the learning technique. I hope you find it helpful.
In this video I cover the wrong way to learn DAR, how to start learning it and how to continue to improve it after getting good at it. There are time stamps below. Let me know if you have any questions or feedback
00:00 The Wrong Way To Learn
02:33 The Efficient Way To Learn
08:07 More Advanced Training
I'm gonna be honest here, when I first watched this video I thought that this had to be a load of rubbish. It contradicts what pretty much every other air roll video says. But I've been trying everything and nothing is working, so I thought I'd try it anyway. At first it was painful. I was lucky to get through the second ring, but within 30 minutes its like my brain automatically knew certain ways to turn (Not everyway yet though). I thought it had to be a fluke at first, but I kept doing it. I think I finally found my way to learn air roll. Thanks a lot man, great video.
Hey
How you doing now?. Did it help you improve?
Any update?
Id just like to add. Air roll left sticks should move in a counter clock wise pattern and the opposite for air roll right. I was struggling getting big adjustments down and it was because I was turning my sticks the wrong direction. If your rotate the sticks 360 you'll notice your car moves a lot more vs when you do it the wrong direction your car goes straight.
Thank you so much this actually helped me even more, I was confused which direction to rotate the stick, seeing better results after ur tip, kinda it was like the missing piece
@@lethall6609 glad I could help!
i think this may solve my problems
Thank you so much for this method of training! I think this is really much more effective than just doing micro adjustments from time to time.
I only just started doing this training, and I want to note there my progress. So I will edit that comment after next training sessions.
Hours are the summary of all sessions.
1) 1:30 hours - I already have completed the first level and half of the second of the Neon Rings map.
2) 4:20 hours - completed the second level and maybe 1/3 of third. And I can complete the first level in 3-4 minutes now
3) 5:20 hours - after restart I did one more hour of training and didn't complete the second level, but I feel much more consistent in flying at left or right. I just don't understand how to fly up faster, and this is why I can't consistently complete the end part of the second level.
4) 6:00 hours - after 40 min more I can complete 1st level within 1-2 minutes, and 2nd level within 3-5 minutes. Now I am stuck in a half of 3rd level. I really feel the progress
5) 7:00 - after one more hour I finally completed the 3rd level! And I can complete the first two levels in about 10-15 attempts. That's really great
6) 8:30 - I can complete first 5 levels continuously air rolling! But I didn't try to do that with fully boosting, I feathered it. Maybe later I will try to continuously boost, but at this stage I think it's more effective to feather it.
And I can complete first three levels in about 3 minutes! That's awesome
7) 11:00 - So, now I'm fully boosting every time, and this is really much more effective than feathering. I already completed first four levels with continuous boost, and I feel way more comfortable with turning in every direction. I can even recover from many of weird situations. And I will continue to practice!
8) 15:00 - I have completed the first five levels with const. boost! And I feel much more stability and control in my actions.
But I can't pass the next levels with the boost constantly pressed. Also on the Giant Rings map, even the first levels have very sharp turns, and with a constant boost it looks impossible to pass.
But so far I don't feel full control over the car yet, and I clearly haven't reached the ceiling of my passing capabilities with constantly boosting. Now I need to make my movements very smooth so that I can turn my car as I want and when I want.
So these five levels I will be constantly boosting, and the rest - as much as possible.
9) 19:30 - the subsequent levels were a real torment for me in the first hours, but gradually it began to work out.
As a result, for a total of four hours of grinding, I passed 16 levels. The playing time of the last session was a little over two hours.
I hope next time I will spend much less time on this, because I have to go through everything again every time, and I don't really want to spend two hours each time. But I feel that I am gradually approaching the level that the author shows in the video.
10) 32:10 - I spent 6 hours only on the last level, and I could not pass it. Firstly, I have a very low FPS on it because of the camera covering the entire map, and secondly, this movement - in fact, free fall, also with a 180-degree turn - has not been practiced anywhere before. Together, it became too difficult, and I decided that it was not worth spending even more time on it.
But! I feel very confident about my air roll. I can complete all the levels up to the last one within half an hour, and I don't experience any great difficulties on any of them. In principle, I can turn absolutely in any direction, and go through the entire map with the air roll constantly pressed.
But I haven't started using it with air dribble yet, as I have difficulties with air dribble itself. Accordingly, it is still difficult to understand how I manage to use air roll in the game - I already knew how to turn a little when flying. But, I think, the application is only a matter of time, and the mechanics itself is now at quite a good level with me.
At this point, I will finish training this mechanics for now. Many thanks for this really effective method, thanks to which I feel very comfortable using air roll.
Upd: New start of training!
I finished my training of the left directional air roll for a few months for now, because I feel really good with it. And at the last sessions of training aerials and redirects I was able to apply my left air roll mechanics to score some really hard shots in very effective way. It's something that comes with time - I wasn't able to do it just after I finished to train in the workshop map. But I've been improving my car control for a while with some other training methods, and now I'm really enjoying of what I can do with my car.
So! Now I started to train the right air roll :)
11) ~5:00: When I started to train the right air roll, I did not think that I will write reports about it. So I don't have the exact time, but I think it's about 5 hours.
It's going much easier that it was with the left air roll! Of course, there is some mess with my muscle memory of the mechanics with the left air roll, and many times I failed because I just was going in a wrong direction. But now I am able to understand the difference between inputs of left and right air rolling. Of course I continue to fail because of it, but now it's much less often.
Overall, it's much easier because I know how to turn my car with the left air roll, and it's basically just opposite with the right. So, I just need to add in my muscle memory the opposite of movements that I already know.
For now, I have completed the 2nd level a few times, and the 3rd for a half. I am going to continue my training sessions and do it more often, so wait for the updates :)
12) 13:09 - So, what progress have I made in the last 8 hours? I almost finished the 17th level with the right directional air roll 🥳
And for today I feel really confident with it, so I'm going to finish the last 3 levels and be done with this training for now. I think I'm going to end at the 20th, the last level, because I haven't even completed it with the left directional air roll, so why would I try to do it with the right?
Basically, my computer is really weak, and my FPS on the last level starts to become really low, like 30-40, and when there starts a motion of the free falling, it becomes really weird and I can't do anything to recover properly.
But I think it's not necessary to complete this map to prove to myself that I'm good with the directional air rolling.
I really recommend you force yourself to fully boost, you'll notice an immense increase in control, especially as you start practicing with the ball and applying it in game
@@TheFirstAxiom Ok, thank you, I'll try it. Should I move my stick (or push S-W on kb) every time or I can release it when I need? I just can't control my car to move straight up when I'm pushing S-W consistently.
Hey. How is it going now?
@@SantiagoG18 updated :)
You’re awesome for this, thank you for the inspiration
Wallahi I think you're right - the brute force method with constant boost is the key.
The problem with trying to learn while feathering boost is that the direction your car travels depends on where it's facing when you're hitting boost, and if you don't already have a good idea of how the car moves in each different orientation, you won't be able to get your feather timing right and your movements will be more random (which is exactly what happens when people try brute force + feather.) Well done!
thats what im worried about, figuring out how to feather
@@drew5710 when u know how to do it fully boosting feathering becomes a piece of cake
@@lethall6609your discreption 😂😂
Thanks for the great video, definitely earned my sub! There is one thing that I want to mention that other commenters might be struggling with is something that helped me notice improvement immediately. Focusing on the rings and only keeping your car in your peripheral vision will help not only with not overthinking your stick movement, but also translating the skill over to in game or other training packs. Im only about an hour in but that first hour was spent with my eyes locked on to my car. Shifting your focus to the rings in front of you will help to plan ahead for the next turn or elevation change, or in game situations to adjust for a read/bounce/etc.
I did what you said and my process is so far exactly like how you described it, I'm currently getting better at a faster pace and can use ARL ingame without issues. Thanks a lot.
Was learning directional air roll by only learning one input at a time from a youtuber called Grifflicious, he made some interesting points, but after practicing and making more research I came by this. I'm still not sure what method is best, but this one seems more logical, so I'm gonna give it a go. After practicing Grifflicious' method for around 7-9 hours, I could do around 3 neon height levels with no real consistencies. Might hate myself for torturing myself like this, but lets try. Will try to update my progression for those who are interested.
Update: about 6 hours of torture and I finally beat the level in the last hour a few times, I had to release boost at some times, but I think that still shows that the training is working. I didn't want to get on today, because it just felt like torture, but I did and I am glad I did. Ending the day on a W and going to be excited for next training sesh, which is going to be in like 3 days when I get home to my real set up after vacation. Props to Axiom :).
I would still say that I'm better at my old method since I am a lot more consistent on it. But I'm faster on this method. If I keep practicing I believe that, when I start grasping the mechanic for real, the progression is going to start growing exponentially.
@@joncius1450 are u improving?
@@joncius1450 and how exactly do you do this method should i just be spamming left stick wherever whike air rolling pretty much?
@@kobiabass6028 yes I am improving, haven't played because I've been busy for like the past 5 days, but as I remember I am able to beat the first level in a few minutes of tries.
@@kobiabass6028 just decide a way to spin your stick and do it. Choose a direction either clockwise or counterclockwise to have consistent movements. And just experiment while flying in, will take a long time
Now, the concept of this video sounded absolutely stupid to me, but trying the different methods: Straight to Hoops with constant airroll feathering boost with the mindset of the different directions to push when the hood is facing me, trying to learn the different directions one at the time etc. for weeks (!). I've thought to myself: this sounds so stupid it could work... Fast forward to now, 8 hours after finding this video - 3 training session each beeing around 1h with 2h breaks between - I can actually control my car while constantly holding DAR & Boost - managed to go to Neon Rings Level 13. In 3 sessions. That's insane. My brain is doing something I don't understand, but my brain does - I didn't know I could do this.
Thank you so much for this video - and every one reading this, give it a try, even though it sounds super dumb.
For reference: I'm currently GC1 with around 2k hours only using normal air roll until now - I hope to implement DAR soon in to my game
This was super helpful! I realized I've been focusing a lot on trying to time my boost to my orientation instead of learning the actual movement. Thanks!
glad you found it helpful! Good luck!
1 day) Even after watching your video about air roll, I passed level 1 on neon rings in 30 minutes, and I passed the second level in 30 minutes too! Further - more! If I don't forget, I'll write)
2 day) hello everyone! the second day of training on this method has come! The 1st level was completed in 8 minutes, the second level in 4 and a half. in general, I feel the car better. in general, I tried to pass 3 lvl and decided that I would hone levels 1 and 2 for the time being in order to feel better on them. Now I have completed two levels in 8 minutes! I think I'm going to Lethamyr's Giant Rings now. And so I passed the first two levels in 7 minutes! Then I went back to the neon map and also passed the first 2 levels in 5 and a half minutes! Well... after 5 or 6 hours of training, I feel tired. I can't do the things I used to do. I think that's enough for today. See you all tomorrow:)
3 day) Аnd so, the third day has come! It's 3:15 pm and the training starts! In addition to the neon rings, I also sat in the freeplay and reduced the speed of the game in order to still figure out the turns in different positions of the car. Then I set the normal speed of the game and did circles on the map. Then I went to the neon map and passed the first two levels even faster, and then I also passed the 3rd level for the first time) Now I will try to pass the fourth! WOW! After passing level 3, I passed level 4 for 18 minutes! Level 5 passed in 8 minutes! Still, I can't pass level 6 yet. Therefore, I will fix 1-5 levels. And so, I went through more levels and it turned out that I also passed level 6, albeit with errors, but still passed. As a result, I completed 6 levels in 50 minutes.
I tried different combinations of turns with a stick. Some actions, indeed, are done as if automatically. I remember how I passed 2 levels in an hour and immediately think that I am progressing) I hope so! So the 3rd day of training has come to an end! What can I say... The day turned out to be productive, I began to feel the car better and completed more levels on the neon map in less time. Before going to bed, I decided to go to the "ALL KINDS OF SHOTS" map to practice hitting and try to fly with an air roll. I can say that it turned out pretty well in principle. To be honest, during the day, as I just started training on the map, I didn't do much and I lost a little self-confidence. But then I decided to just fly in a freeplay with a reduced speed of the game, as I wrote earlier, and look at the movements of the car. And after that, everything got better and I caught fire with the idea again. Don't give up friends (I hope I won't either), we will walk this path together! See you all tomorrow!
4 day) Hello everyone! The fourth day of training begins! The time is 12:00 pm and I'm starting! And so, the time is 21:18 pm and it's time to finish training. Naturally, I didn't train all the time, there were intervals when I rested, but I played for 5 hours. In the morning I started to train on high morals, but then, like yesterday, when I didn't really succeed, I drooped. And specifically drooped. But all sorts of videos on CZcams and in tiktok prompted me to go and train further. After that, I reached level 7 in 16 minutes. I also passed level 7 for the first time :) But I also passed level 8! And then I passed level 9 in 2 attempts :) Then I went through other custom maps and played a little casual, because I don't want to merge the title in competitive mode yet. After that, my morale increased again. You know, it's really hard when you think that nothing will work out for you, and because of this you load yourself. It's really hard to get out of this. I hope I will reach the final goal and learn air roll! See you all tomorrow!
5 day) Hello everyone! Another day of training. I recently came from college, so I start at five o'clock in the evening. The plan is about the same, go through rings and other custom maps, because if you go through rings all the time, you forget how to play on the ground, so I will also train strikes) Let's go! And so, the results of the day! I was able to get to level 15 in 45 minutes. Levels 10 to 14 passed for the first time! But still, in some moments I don't fully control the car, and sometimes I rely on the position of the car when its roof is turned on me, but with turns I seem to be fine. Another thought occurred to me, guys, don't be afraid to fall. Combine different actions of the stick, do not look at the time of passage at the beginning. Also, when you watch all sorts of videos on rocket league, try to analyze how a person turns his car, imagine in your head how you would turn the stick at that moment. It happens to me, I even automatically scroll through in my head how I would turn the stick. This also means that you are progressing! In principle, the day was calm, see you all tomorrow!
6 day) Hello everyone We continue to train! Today I'm flying in a freeplay in different positions of the car in order to better try to grasp the essence of how the car turns, I think it will be even easier because of this, because I still don't really understand how to constantly control the car during the flight. Let's go! In principle, the day passed quietly. Again, I went up to level 14, but in 20 minutes. I flew in a freeplay, all the time trying to adjust the car, there seems to be something. Before that, I flew in different positions of the car, maybe it helped. See you all tomorrow!
7 day) Good afternoon! Wow, it's already day 7. How quickly time flew by. It's one o'clock in the afternoon and it's time to start training! And so, the results of the day! In principle, the day passed quietly, I practiced and played competitive games. Reached level 17 in 27 minutes! There was also a feeling of control over the car, but not all the time twisting the stick, but it will come with time. And so continue to train and everything will work out! See you all tomorrow!
8 day) Hello everyone again! We continue to go to the goal! The next day of training is declared open! And so, the results of the day! I reached the last level on the neon map in half an hour, the last one did not overcome. It became clearer how to adjust the car when its back is to you and in other positions. Now it's a matter of practice and experience to learn how to adjust the positions of the car all the time and hit the ball in the game. In training with hitting the ball, everything is more or less. See you all tomorrow!
9 day) Hello everyone again! Today is January 27, the 9th day of training! In principle, I will do all the same, let's go! The time is 21:13 pm, which means it's time to finish! In principle, everything is more or less normal on the cards, but in competitive mode I still rarely hit the ball. Okay, we'll adjust soon :) See you all tomorrow!
10 day) Hello everyone! Today is a day off, so I will devote more time to the rocket league. Let's go! And so, I played rocket league all day, and you know, the feeling that I began to feel the car even better. In the game, I started hitting the ball even more and even scored. In general, I think that when you already have some idea about air roll and have already more or less figured it out, then you should already start playing either normal mode or competitive mode in order to adapt to the speed of the game and, perhaps, discover new techniques. That's it for today, see you all tomorrow!
11 day) Hello everyone! The 11th day of training has begun. Today I'm thinking of flying on other maps besides neon. Let's go! The end of the day has come. In principle, nothing unusual happened, except that the ball in flight began to hit less, but I think it's because I outplayed. Okay, we'll continue tomorrow. See you all tomorrow!
12 day) Hello everyone! Today I have some kind of drowsy state, but I still need to practice. So let's go! Another day has come to an end. I did the same thing, nothing unusual happened. I think I'll come back here when the progress is even better visible. So see you all for new updates:)
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Hello everyone It's been a while since I've been here. Where I would like to start... Definitely the control of the car has become better. Based on this, I tried to learn air dribbling, but so far I very, very rarely succeed, because I don't understand how to jump off the wall with the ball correctly, but it will come with time. Today, for the first time in a long time, I went to the neon map to warm up and went to level 20 in 14 minutes. I almost always control the car, often always keep a boost, I was even surprised that I passed the levels so quickly) And, by the way, yesterday I was promoted to the rank of champion 2 1 division:) This is my first time and I am very happy, but I understand that there is still a lot of work to be done, there are still a lot of mechanics worth learning!
Basically, that's it. If you really want to learn air roll, then please do not give up, if I have more or less learned air roll, then you should definitely succeed! See you all again!
Looking forward to the updates. The struggle is too real.
Just read your update #8, it took me a while to be able to clear level 20 lol. Towards the end there's a really awkward camera angle.
@@TheFirstAxiom everything will come! I will try:)
@@bless3d648 update?
@@helios5078 Hi! It's been about a week and a half, probably, since I haven't updated my mini-diary. What can I say for the past time. Definitely became better at flying, better at hitting the ball, began to score cool goals, naturally without air dribble. I raised my rank to the champion 1 of Division 2, and I used to sit on diamond 3 (sometimes I merged to 2). Naturally, there is still a lot of work to be done. In principle, this is all I can say so far.
Perhaps I will write somewhere in a week and a half or two weeks, if I don't forget, and so you can respond to my comment, and I will write to you about my progress!
Great! The wonders of MUSCLE MEMORY 🙌
Hey dude. I saw your original video a few months ago. Never even saw this one, and I to be honest, I dont plan to watch it because your original really laid the groundwork for me. I dont feel like I need tutorials anymore.
Just as an endorsement of this guys advice. Before I saw his video, I was like you, watching all the other videos telling me to learn directional air roll like a pattern, and I was getting nowhere really. After about 5 months of trying to learn this way I stumbled upon the orignal video. I took the advice to heart.
That was 7 months ago, but I was on console at the time, so spare a few random ocassions, I never got to try rings for more tham 15-20 minutes at a time maybe once a week. These sessions yeiled some very minor improvement, but even then I could tell that this was a more effective way to learn.
A little over a month ago I got a new pc. loaded up rings for the first time at home and dove in head first. After smashing my head into a brick wall for only a few hours the improvements began to be evident, and it snowballed from there. I think after a few weeks of really spending time practicing, maybe like an hour session at a time, I beat Neon Rings for the first time fully air rolling. It took me an hour and 15 minutes and I had around 250 deaths lol.
I just got off work, came home, booted up rings for a warmup before some games, and started vibing out. Frankly I just intended to do the first few levels and then do the rest of my warmup routine, but I decided to play all the way to the end to see how much I have improved. I beat it in 15:53 with 18 deaths. 4 of which were on the final level because I got excited that I was finishing so quickly. Halfway through my run I thought of this guys video and had to leave a comment.
I have been hitting shots that were impossible for me only a few weeks ago thanks to this new confidence in my arial car control, and I plan to continue to practice regularly. Thank you so much.
out of all of the tutorials no one ever says keep moving the joy stick 😭😭😭 thanks for this important tip
So I decided to try your method of learning DAR since I believe most tutorials are really bad at explaining how to learn it. In my opinion, I think your method is probably the best way to master DAR, but I feel like it's missing something crucial. I think jumping straight to rings maps is not the best way to start since I found out that when I screwed up, I never *really* had time to recover and re-adjust my car in the right direction because I would just die and restart the level. I believe you definitely should start practising airolling and boosting constantly but in a free space where you can fly around and give your car more room for freedom for mistakes.
For me, I like to use the training pack that makes me spawn outside the medieval rings map so I can practise there. After I started practising outside the map, I felt I really started improving since I had way more time to move my stick around and to change the directions how I wanted. Practising the rings maps was also frustrating and repetitive and found myself zoning out too.
I actually recommend first starting off that you shouldn't even go to the rings maps for the first 5-10 hours until you can move your car left and right *somewhat* consistently. In my opinion, rings maps is meant for moving your car in a specific direction accurately and freeplay is meant to understand the inputs that the car need to move in a certain direction.
Sorry for the ramble though, your method is still pretty good. I'm 12 hours in, and I already passed medieval rings level 2 for the first time which for me, I think is great.
yeah that's not a bad tip. I thought about that before but wasn't sure if it would be better to do it in an open area or force yourself to move accurately through the rings right away. But glad it worked for you and doesn't hurt to try
watched this video like a month or two ago, ive like become very decent/confident in my air roll control and stopped doing rings. took me like a week or two, then i refined it by playing and doing pillars map on all sides of the car thanks alot
Did you just do this method
it’s really impressive that you can do it continuously boosting. i only learnt it with feathering so you have a point. i’ll try it - going to leave some updates below
ive been doing one hour a day of what the first axiom has described, which is continuously boosting while ALWAYS holding air roll left and using analog over and over and i can say for sure that ive been making progress.
day 1 - i couldnt finish level 1 - it felt like i would never ever get it.
day 2 - still couldnt finish level 1 - but i was starting to notice what some directions do depending on the way my car is facing.
day 3 - i finished level 1 finally - now it felt like i was back to 0% progress because when you reach a new level you have to learn a different path so it becomes difficult again.
day 4 - i consistently complete level 1 - starting to understand how to go down and to the right thanks to level 2.
*i'm going to make my updates less often otherwise itll take me forever to type it out when i could really be practing DAR.*
day 9 - i finally completed level 2! now level 3 seems insane. you have to go high up and to the right. my brain understands how to do it.
day 12: im still on level 3. but im understanding it a lot more now. i have way more muscle memory and i can recover much easier. ive started to use the forward analog more often now as before i was using back on the analog which would make it harder. also when i watch these videos they all seem to use forward left and right the most. i finally understand what they mean when they talk about rotating the analog. sometimes you can rotate the analog anticlockwise completely with good timing and keep yourself going. i havent fully grasped it but its super helpful sometimes.
day 15 - just passed level 3! i can pass level 1 usually first or second try now. and level 2 quite shortly after (sometimes) im definitely not consistent at all yet but the progress is 100% there
2 month update?😂
I think there's a simpler way to do brute force method to learn DAR. I have basically mastered it now but there were several hurdles I had to overcome to get to this point.
I started off not knowing what i was doing and failed for months and finally got back into it after i learned what the cardinal directions were. Like if you hold up down left and right your cars nose will always travel in a set direction relative to the cars perspective.
After that i learned to do basic adjustments with the hood of my car facing me, then with the back of the car facing me, then i learned to do the full 360.
There was a problem. I could fly around the ball in freeplay going counterclockwise just fine with air roll left but struggled to fly around clockwise.
After a year or 2, i made the realization that for air roll left you want to spin your stick counterclockwise, and for air roll right you want to spin the stick clockwise. This made it easier to do adjustments but i still struggled to fly around the ball in freeplay in both directions.
Then i started to experiment, and try to figure out why flying around the ball clockwise while using air roll left was so hard. I got into a zero gravity workshop map and just played around with moving my car with constant air roll left. I could make my cars nose travel in a 360 loop, and then it dawned on me. If i can move in 3d space in a 360 degree rotation around from a srarting point, then there's no reason i cant use counterclockwise spins on my analog stick to go in the opposite direction of that 360 rotation around.
Once i learned i could go in clockwise and counter clockwise directions using counterclockwise spins of my analog stick only, then i stated to truly understand how to use DAR.
So, for a simpler method of teaching DAR by brute force method i believe you should break it down into simpler steps. Have your students fly around the ball in freeplay either clockwise or counterclockwise, and spin the stick in the appropriate direction for the air roll they are using.
So for example for someone just starting to learn Air Roll Left have them fly around in freeplay going around the ball in counterclockwise direction first while spinning the stick counterclockwise only. Then they switch to flying around the ball clockwise spinning their stick counterclockwise only.
So much easier even tho your explanation were a lil less detailed but made 100% more sense than a big yt. You deserve more recognition!❤
I started training my airroll using this method today. I have spent 10 minutes in neon heights with 100 deaths as of now. Currently stuck on the 3rd ring of level 1. Will post about my progress later.
Please do. Would be interested to hear about your progress after 3-5 hours 7-10 hours and 15/30 hour marks
Any progress?
@@melvincooly8 Actually I quit playing RL ( don't know when I will play it again ). I came back to playing dota 2 😅
@@amrahs6999 lame
I've watched many other content creators ways of teaching this skill - your tutorials have made it clear, easy to understand and has been so effective in my training sessions.
Many thanks bro - subscribed!
glad I was able to help!
@@TheFirstAxiom Would you say your mind tends to focus more on the car & the rings being in the peripheral of your focus or the other way round?
Perhaps as you mind as adapted over time to learn air roll it may feel in transitions both ways give or take.
@@I2000ZA I think the other way around, even in game, I look more at the ball and the car is in the peripheral
@@TheFirstAxiom that makes more sense to focus on the rings like you would with ball in matches 👍
Much appreciated bro 😎💯
SO a very early update about this method, I was training in Neon Ring, today I only had 30 minutes to play BUT I understood I how to do the first set of rings in only 3:46min I was WTF so I continued and the second set of ring in 5 min and the third set in ONLY 1 min all of that constantly boosting and Directional airolling all the time , the % of improving with this method is 100 times better, it took me 30h to do this set of ring slowly and sometimes stopping airolling and dosing the boost with the olther method, so this method is the correct one, i will keep updating , for only 30 min trying got this improvement i can't imagine in 30h what i could do, thanks for the video it's really helpful.
nice update! Yeah keep going at it! You're going to get to a point where you feel like you have superpowers. You'll be able to move through these rings and adjusting and not even knowing how you're doing it. It's a pretty great experience!
How’s your progress now
@@melvincooly8 now I'm already training dar for aerial shot and I'm using a bit in game a lot of stuff like air dribbling is more easy or like setting up a ball for a double tap i so easy that some time i set up for a double tap for a mistake the hard part is to make a score but that come with training, a lot of stuff is like you unlocked easy mod at least for me because before the dar i was training for double tap and air dribbling but it was very hard despite all the hours put in to the training, now with dar is like...how i did a set up for a double tap starting with an air drible in to corner wall in to a score.... often while I play append this cool stuff... Even for redirect in to a score or passing the ball all this little stuff benefit from the dar, is more easy is like it come naturally without thinking
@@ema-hx1br that's awesome bro! how long have you been training now with this new method?
@@melvincooly8 since now i did around 11 h but i already know how to use the dar after 5-6h the other hours remanig are for using it in air drible double tap ecc.... i think that you have to do at least 25 min per session of training the DAR because i saw that 10 min do nothing efter the 20 min is like you understand more what you are doing so minimum 20 25 min and max i think 40 50 min i think more than that you bourn out your brain and don't understand nothing or you can do 40 min than do a stop for 2h on trining on dar and than if you want you can start again (if you want to spend more hours per day). What i did was 30 min or a maximum of 1 h (and make you sure to holding the bost at least for the first time to brute force your brain to understand how to move after you got the move you can dose the booste my first 3h and half man was complite nothing so to say because i wasn't getting any progres after that 3h suddendly i understood how to use it the firt hours are hard asf whe you get the CLICK you will enjoy it don't lose the motivation)
I saw a lot of videos on yt trying to find the best way to learn directional air roll and decided to give this a shot since it sounds better than the others, indeed. I've just started and got to confess that the consecutive failures really are frustrating, but I dont intend to give up easily. Just to confirm: When airolling, you really dont think about your next move? Also how do you think is the best way to start incrementing this skill in game? One last thing: it would be pretty cool if you did a serie in the channel like "road to master DAR" at which you periodically post videos relating the phases and progress in learning air roll right since you mastered the left alredy.
PS: Sorry about my english. I'm not a native speaker and still learning.
'Just to confirm: When airolling, you really dont think about your next move?" do think about your next move while you move your stick. Try to anticipate the next stick movement that you need to make to get to where you want to be.
In terms of transferring the skill in game, it comes down to getting really comfortable with it first then practicing it in freeplay or custom training pack with the ball
I'm actually starting to practice air roll right for the fun of it using my method again and today I was able to beat level 1-2 in neon in under 2 minutes fully boosting after roughly 10 hours. i'll think about recording a series with air roll right
this is the best method i have found so far, also if you are on pc there is a bakked mod called freestyle training and you can slow down your air roll to get a better understanding of the movement
Well guys, after 75 mins of neon rings and 1025 deaths, i couldnt finish first lvl. I knew a little of left airroll, doing 10-12 lvls on every map, but i had to wait until car is facing me and all that stuff, so is not possible to that things on a real game. I´ll share a few thoughs if someone find helpfull.
40 mins in i started to have a little car control, learned how to stop or reduce in almos every position, get fast is harder.
60 mins in could turn right consistently, and realize the importance of the velocity of the counterclock rotations in the joystick, it depends on situation but matching, is usually good.
75 mins in, and my brain broke, so will continue with the grind tomorrow.
Agree on everything you say, most tutorials don't emphasize nailing the muscle memory by doing constant adjustments + boosting and I think that the "wait for car to rotate to front then adjust" advice they give is terrible. I ended up doing a mixture of a few different videos training which I think helped me learn it pretty quickly(I can do most Leth's rings in ~15 mins with about 15-20 hours dedicated training)
# This is all PC advice
BEGINNER
Air roll feel practice - go into free play and then start air rolling while attempting to cancel out all movement by doing the opposite movement on your left stick to your air roll direction. Air roll left example: spin left stick in a circle to the right continuously while air rolling. Doing this correctly will have you flying in a straight line. Don't do this much, 1 minute a day to get a feel for how your car is moving before training.
Freestyler plugin(Bakkes mod PC ONLY) - Set air roll to left or right at 20% speed and do speed jump: rings 2 if using directional air roll feels completely uncontrollable. Try to bump the air roll speed up to 40% as quickly as possible then switch to pure directional air roll once you can use 40% comfortably. This should take 1-2 hours to get you into air rolling full speed.
INTERMEDIATE
Speed training - Neon or medieval rings: focus on speed, boost and adjust as much as possible to force blackout moments and really train your muscle memory.
Accuracy training - Leth's giant or tiny(depending on your skill) rings map / speed jump: rings 3. Practice feathering and the large angle adjustments forced by the sharp turns and height changes. Do leth's if you have time, do rings 3 if you only have 10 minutes to dedicate.
ADVANCED
Zero gravity rings maps - Do the speed or accuracy training from the intermediate section but while using zero gravity mode from bakkes mod. Under current game -> gravity -> zero.
SUPPLEMENTAL for general aerial car control
Speed jump: rings 2 or Speed jump: rings 3 - Do a rings map but focus on each direction your car could face in game. Example: do rings facing your car to the left, then right, then backwards, then forwards. Maintain your set direction the entire map by air rolling slightly to maintain it. I recommend short maps as any Leth's rings will take you an hour or more to do all four directions.
Been practicing airroll left for 2-3 days now and watched tons of videos, did practice for like 5-10h total and sorta had some stuff sorta not, i was practicing mostly in slow motion which made me do great stuff and learn some movement but i couldn't pull it off in regular speed except for like 10% of the time with just tiny adjustments. I have started this tutorial now after watching his last video and I'm focusing on just brute forcing it now. I will track my progress throughout my practice and update every few days and just stop if i don't see improvement after some time. I will update this comment - or reply - with the edit of how well I'm doing.
--EDIT: Playing on PC, playing with Keyboard and Mouse. Airroll left is on CTRL. Rank: Diamond 2/3.
Currently on lethamyr neon rings map just brute forcing trying to smash every key on my keyboard, can pass 3 rings, sometimes 4-5 if I'm lucky.I will do a little more practice for 15min until i have to sleep and try to reach up to 300 deaths minimum since i have no time today. FIrst update tomorrow probably --------- (currently 1/16/2023) no real muscle memory from brute force. (rank D2/D3)
-Aftermath: i reached 555 deaths and at about 270 i got to the last ring of lvl 1 but failed, however when nearing 500 deaths at about 430-500 i started to go through the 4th ring more frequently sometimes followed up with the 5th but failing to continue. Im going to sleep now so goodnight and ill keep going tomorrow.
--NEXT DAY EDIT: went in neon rings again, got 300 deaths felt like i couldn't do anything except the first 3 rings, then it snapped to me whenever i hold my S key i usually mess up when trying to go to the left and turn to 4th ring and so on, so what i did is stopped holding and tapping s except when i beat first 4 rings then at 320 deaths i started to see a bit more of a consistency for beating 4th ring then at 340-360 i beat 5th and 6th sometimes it became a bit more often that i am not stuck on the first 3 rings. Then at about 370-385 deaths i started to come near the end of the first level a few times but failed. However, JUST NOW, 412 Deaths in, i beat the first level completely, and it made me a little happy so I will now keep going and trying to beat the 2nd level etc. JUST TO ADD, I still sometimes fail at the start or 3rd or 4th rings, i am not clean at all.
Started the 2nd level at 412 deaths, seemed very impossible at the start, i was having trouble going down and then down to the right, D(right) and SD(down right) fixed my problem as i started to realise at about 600deaths. I did cheat at some times letting go of boost for balance or because i needed to fall down, or just holding airroll and not touching anything to adjust because no adjustment was needed at the near end just needed to fly up. I actually beat the level unexpectedly at death 625. It was sudden and just happened. Im going to try the 3rd level now but i plan to go ahead and start from the start of level 1 again. Improvements are happening... I think.. or I'm getting lucky at some points.. :D
700 deaths in now and I decided to restart from level 1. I beat level 1 in just 9 attempts. This is much better as i needed about 960 attempts before to beat it. I am still not clean at this and do fail often but it seems to be improving greatly without me realizing most of it. I will keep repeating level 1 and level 2 probably to get better and then move to other levels once i am comfortable. I will do some more practice then go have some fun and stop training for today probably. Time spent on this is like 2h total i think? I'm not sure but it can be counted as i used to average like 10 deaths/min
---------QUICK EDIT: After beating that 1st level again i decided to try to beat level 2 again. I DID IT!!! I came close to beating it about 3-5 times within 51deaths (counted from lvl1) and after the 51st death I beat the level :D. One thing i want to say. I CAN DEFINETLY SEE THE IMPROVEMENT. I feel like I have more control than before that's for sure. Keep in mind I did have a tiny bit of knowledge before starting this tutorial, i knew and tested out what ARL + SD or ARL + AS or + WA or + WD or + S or + W or + D or + A does. I knew sorta what they did and as i mentioned at the start of my comment, i did like 5-10h training with these movements and didn't work out, BUT I DID TRAIN!! I believe that training also gave me like a 10-20% boost, if not more, in this current training, because at some moments i used that knowledge and it helped me finish the levels.
---My current tip is: TRY DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS. in some situations i don't use a specific letter and it i finish my movement without it. like i combo with A AS SD D and don't use W or barely BARELY tap it sometimes. But at different times i use A AW W WD and it helps me when i don't use S. Also, there are points where i don't fully use boost because i feel like i am able to deal with the situation if i don't use boost, and it does help but i only do this because i believe i am able to correct myself and you shouldn't do it if u feel like you can't.
Finally, JUST KEEP TRYING EVERYTHING, SOMETHING WILL EVENTUALLY WORK OUT!
-----NEXT DAY EDIT: went into neon rigns as usual and first like 100 deaths i was very lost but within 150 i beat level 1 and 2, today's focus was mostly level one so i grinded it a lot until i reached 650 deaths, at around 550 deaths or so i managed to beat level 1 once per about 10 attempts which quickly lowered to once per about 5 attempts. At one point, some movements just snapped in my brain and everything became like 30-50% easier to do as i realised these things. Ill speak more on this topic when i have time but i gotta go now. Im getting better.
Next day(for 19th January): small practice today, neon rings + aerial rookie + pro training. I did okay not much to say, still mess up a lot but can sometimes get incredible goals.
I am still missing that one thing thats gonna make me 10x better for sure
Next day: did some practice nothing too much practiced hitting the ball while aerialing etc. not much stuff today.
I will continue my progress in the replies.
Love this, just starting now. It's horrible
@@Harry-hd6wn hows it going now?
UPDATES PT 2: Next Day: Went back into neon rings, beat level 1 and 2 within 17 deaths, struggling at level 3 but can do about half only if i feather boost a lot. 219 deaths in, beat level 3 but with feathering boost a lot i cant do it currently full boost. I now reloaded the map and started from level 1, so now i beat level 1, 2 ,3 in 39 deaths. And now beat level 4 within 51 deaths( 12 tries) but i did fall onto the middle platform and fly back up so u can say i cheated a tiny bit :D. Just not beat level 5 within 113 deaths (62 attempts), once again i sometimes full boost but at some parts had to feather, this level was quite easier when i beat the first 5-6 rings the rest i didn't even fail just had trouble at the start. Total practice time after i reloaded the map is 14min. Some movements and rough turns feel a good bit easier when i hit the right stuff which I'm getting better at now.
Next day: yesterday beat level 1 and 2 within 17 deaths, today i beat level 1 and 2 and 3 within 15 deaths, it took me 7 deaths for level 1 and 2. Now beat level 4, 18 deaths. Now beat level 5, 32 deaths. I have definitely improved a lot, but i still don't do them full boost and i don't know if i ever will but i will try, however, compare the start where i barely beat level 1 in like 500-1000 deaths and now i can beat it in 1-5 attempts
I will post more updates when i get a good bit better.
@kurp To be honest, practicing 2h a day seems like more than enough. I practiced 1-2h per day but have lowered it in the recent days because i have stuff to do irl. I got a lot better at airroll but i still cant seem to make it all fully click so that i can ALWAYS go where i want, at my current level, i can go where i want 90% of the time but thats only if im not moving to fast. I still need more control with how to adjust better and how to use boost more appropriately.
Bascially though, 1h is enough, 2h is great if you can manage it and anything above is just ur willpower but i recommend to not overdo it.
this works a lot but takes time. I'm diamond 3 and only used regular air roll when necessary. I had air roll right binded but never used it. My first few hours of this method I couldn't finish the first level of neons and had over a thousand deaths. 15 hours later I can make it to level 4 spinning constantly in under 3 minutes. I have a long way to go but this way definitely works
Fully boosting actually helps me turn better and gain height on certain sectoins where i wasnt able to with feathering, i thought first thay going slow gave me more control vut it actually makes me mess around more and less in control. Fully boosting helps, some can even do it in small obstacle maps
I can now fully boost through the first 5 levels (not consistantly) and am now breezing throug ring maps, can definetly say this method has helped me the most out of everything ive tried
Took me 30 hours and it's just starting to click.
How long did it take you to get to where you are now?
@@liftnleap9815 i tried other methods first and ive started this alot and then quit but all in all i think around 80 hours, maybe 20-30 from starting doing this method
So did u just move the left stick randomly trying to understnad movements then it clicked?
@@kobiabass6028 there isn't much someone can tell you other than you just have to do it a lot and get a feel for it. I would focus on tornado spinning and put focus on where I want my nose of my car to be pointing. Don't focus on which side of the car is facing you just the path ahead of you and where you want your nose to be. Fully boost and focus on tornado spinning first not letting go of your stick moving it up or down and getting a feel for where you wanted to go and eventually you'll understand and it'll just start to click.
I practiced for like 10 hours the first two days and still couldn't get past the first level but noticed major improvement from first started.
Prepare to fail hard, I started out terribly and now I'm about 45+ hours in and can complete neon lights in about 30 minutes. Not good but it's fun now
@@liftnleap9815 Thanks a lot for the feedback. I’ve started my journey now and I will update
Hi, first of all thank you for this video, it helped me immensely.
I've been adopting this training system since the beginning of March.
I've never practiced training for more than half an hour a day and I've never done it continuously, there have been times when I haven't played for several days and even on the days when I played I didn't always dedicate that half It's training time, I used to play online matches.
Anyway so far, I can complete up to level 4 in about 5 minutes with very few deaths.
Level 5 is more complicated as my brain is now able to turn in more or less all directions, except left, as the first few levels of this map have virtually no moments where you are forced to make a fast left turn.
I recently made it to Champion and I have to say that in the air I have more flexible control and can move in any direction I want, except left when the car is in strange positions.
Hitting the ball on the other hand is a completely different matter, there are moments when I don't catch it and few when I succeed.
I don't have consistency in applying ball flying but in time I'd say I'll succeed, I see a lot of improvements despite having spent little time training.
Thanks again for this wonderful video.
How is your progress now? Can I get an update?
@@maybe3432 Here man I just started the training two weeks ago(about 40-50hours spend on practice ARL). And I think I can share my thought with air roll left because I just hit my first aerial goal in D2 rank game.Not powerful and clean,but that is progress right there 100%.
first I suggest you watch tutorial by Lemniscate which share the same idea but with better explanation .
czcams.com/video/OGqjLvBtSvk/video.htmlsi=8OSXD9C36FddfSsU
It is ture that if you put a huge amount of time in continuously spin you joystick,you can feel how the speed of spinning joystick impact the car in every orientation of the car.
For beginners, I found there are two type of spinning your joystick which you can feel the rhythm if you speed at the right speed.
1.lemniscate twist
You won't be changing directions if you do it right.
2. Tempo twist
This is a thing that doesn't have a name yet so I make it up. This twist is that you spin the joystick as the same tempo of your car rolling.When your car complete one spin,your joystick should also complete one spin at the same time. What tempo twist does is that your car will do a sort of spiral movement in the air. Un like lemniscate twist, tempo twist will continuously change direction where it feel like the nose of the car will stay stationary and the body of the car go 360 degrees.Tempo twist is harder to understand, but it help me start clicking a little bit.
I spend the first 30 hours doing Axiom method but I practiced spookluke method before, it make me always thinking about the roof of car and those adjustments. Those abjust are not wrong but it shouldn't be simplify like that. It do more harm than good for beginners like me. After that 30hours, I saw a viewer @juta6500 comments this tempo spinning thing. It help me let go of think roof, bottom of car quickly.
One last thing, I suggest you drop the aerial sensitivity to 1.It affects your roll speed. You can spin the stick slower compare to 1.7which I use before.
Hope this helps !
For those of you who are having a hard time trying to figure out how to turn left or right like i was, try increasing your aerial sensitivity. i spent about an hour trying different combinations to figure out how to turn but i kept going straight. after i changed my sensitivity found it wanting to turn more.
Is 1.7 high enough?
Dude thanks a lot for the video, as most of the other people here in the comments I looked all over the place and all advices seemed pretty bad till I found this.
As everybody else is doing Ill post updates, but so far only one hour in this is the weirdest shit Ive ever felt, Im still on level 1 but some fucking how Im making turns that I still don’t understand how Im making them but its happening pretty often so Ill keep ya’ll posted lol.
Any updates?
Been D3-C2 just playing ranked casually for about a year now.
Hard stuck. I started getting into flip resets and other harder mechs. Realized my air roll was causing me to fail without perfect setups.
I learned with the car facing forward through probably my past 600+ hours of gameplay. In the method spuke luke and others teach.
Trying to relearn air roll this way. 30 minutes in and I wanted to quit fearing it would make me worse for awhile.
Tried to do the rings with the car forward in my old ways and now it feels so slow.
Now i will stick this out for at least 40 hours. I will update progress for those that stumble upon later.
Should have a headstart from the 600+ hours of experience. Should be an interesting post for other diamond/ champ players also in similar hard stuck state of their mechs feeling stale..
off the rip.
For undoing the hours and hours off forward facing changes. When feathering I find myself going back to old ways.
I find it better to just always boost. It literally doesn't let you do it that way. Kind of shows why it sucks because in game you need to be fast.
thanks man i just did this for 5 hours and got ABSOLUTELY NO WHERE
do another 5 and make sure you are not autopiloting and actually focus. Also I assume you have some fundamental aerial control already, if not then this won't be as efficient
ok
@@TheFirstAxiomalso which rings map should i use
@@TheFirstAxiom yo i feel like i know how to go left and right while air rolling but it’s really slow
@@mlbnews4011 start with neon
ran out of space so im grouping days more effectively:
days 1 & 2 : pre-click, a lot of questions, couldnt really do anything. to be fair day 2 felt much more fluid including some good moments although i couldnt yet control my movements.
day 3: click. so for anyone interested in how long it took to be able to move in rings maps with this method, the click took 6-7h for me. but i also grinded some the basic adjustments in 4 directions before trying out this method.
days 4-12: gradual improvements so far, almost every day feels better than the previous one. i grouped so many days together because essentially the process has been the same and there hasnt been any huge revelation as day 3 was, but movement has obviously gotten much more finetuned. sometimes im quite comfortable but compared to axiom my aerial car control is still shaky, and i cant do much in real gameplay, although i did feel improvements there too.
im close to 30h in as of day 12.
days 13-15: everything axiom said up until this amount of time committed has come true. with around 30h invested i became good enough to finally complete neon rings in under 12 mins (specifically 11:30 mins), a goal he sets in the comments. honestly the map feels really easy, obviously if i try to fully boost on high levels its not easy to always get it first try. i feel far more comfortable, and my movements are far more finetuned. on day 14, i also completed giant ice rings for the first time. i set my goal higher as a result: tiny rings. with every run im getting farther on tiny rings but its difficult, got to level 7 so far. on day 15, i hopped into real training like air dribbles, and the difference is night and day to day 12. for the first time, this skill actually feels within touching distance. consistency will take time, but if i can do it even once ingame, the sky's the limit. actually, i hit my first carry ingame with continuous air roll. i carried the ball all the way into the backboard though, we scored eventually but not directly. feel really proud and far more comfortable - still need dozens of hours for my movements to be as finetuned as axiom though. when i think about his PB as well, 10:29 on neon rings compared to my 11:30 is actually a huge difference in speed. bottom line is: finally completing ice rings and practicing with tiny rings imo has been a gamechanger, propelling me to a level of finetuned microadjustments closer to what I need to do air dribbles.
How many hours did you practice this method to be able to complete 19 levels?
@@tanny01 not this method yet. i learned the basic movements (4 directions) with car facing me and away from me. as this video says though with just that knowledge im not 100% comfortable especially in real gameplay because there are more combinations in 360 degrees, so im trying this method. the slow method i grinded for many hours a day for almost a week. then i struggled to combine inputs, for that its better to try out circles like this video suggests.
@@DarkicaraxTFM I’ve tried this method for about 7 hours and am doing better in rings map but it’s weird you don’t feel the improvement but you see it
@@tanny01kinda same for me but its hard to tell. what exactly are you trying and focusing on during training? like for me i know certain "correct" inputs when i see them but i decide to just circle randomly and chaotically all the time to experiment even though it makes me completely miss. i also try not to look at the car too much or play to a rhythm but rather just spin continuously and see whether i get the right input, hoping eventually i get it. czcams.com/video/Ij-YGBH9ilI/video.html like this. not sure im doing it right since im adjusting so fast lmao but it makes some sense to my brain
@@DarkicaraxTFM at first I was doing that now I kinda stick to a few inputs I notice I tornado spin a lot. Also, sometimes I just do random fast movements which I think are unnecessary but idk. I guess will see how we do in some more hours
I know i'm late to this but after probably 1k or 2k hours i finally mostly understand this
Here is an update after 3h, so for there first 2h i was not getting any results and at 2 hour and half i got that "click", a day i was training with the air roll and after 20 frustrating minutes i onli did one rotation of the car like i was thinking to do it but nothing else.
The next day i was able to turn go up and down with the car like i wanted with no problem, and now I'm mastering the darl i still don't know how to completely turn my self in the opsite direction well i do in part but when my nose of the car is pointing to me now i don't now how to turn back in the normal direction but now i know how to use it and a can start to master it all of this after almost 3h, for the first few hours it would very frustrating so frustrating that you will think to uninstall Rocket league ahhahahah, i still don't understand what happened that day and the next day i knew how to all that stuff
Ps: after That day i even know how to do other difficult maps with weird turn going up this, and thinks you have to train a minimum of 25 minut per day less than this I saw that I was getting any results
How long did it take you until you could say that you are good enough to use it in real games? It's hard to believe that just pressing random buttons until it works is successful. Have been trying another method which enabled me to fly very easy parcours after about 3h of practice (without full boost though)
to use it in game without missing too many aerials,m about 75-100 hours. To be good at it in game, doing air dribbles, flip resets, etc. few hundred extra hours. The first step is to learn it in rings but then you gotta grind practice in free play and training packs with the ball
It's been a while since you uploaded it, but i saw it last night and started training
So far did maybe 3 houra of neon ring, managed to pass level 1 twice but it felt like a fluke both of them.
I managed to get the hang of how to move the joystick continuously to turn, but only some maneuvers, not enough to control and pass the levels.
Mostly hating life from the continues failures. 😅
it is okay dude just keep at it
Any update? Im currently on like 4-5 hours and can't get the first level done while fully boosting. Feel like It's a waste of time for me.
@@ehKaossany update?
@@tanny01 It actually worked but I didn't do it full boost, I spent 10-15 hours full boosting and managed to only complete first 2 levels, then I took a break of less than a week, cameback and tried the same method but with less boost usage (I still tried to complete the first 5 levels as fast as I could) for around 20 hours I'd say, I also forced myself to use DAR for every single wall dribble, aerial shot, redirect, double tap etc... I spent most of the time in freeplay doing wall dribbles and I think that's what helped me the most. I went from P3-D1 to C2 (1250) and I can comfortably hit reset, reset mustys, double taps and now learning how to double reset. This method works, you just actually gotta hope ur brian clicks in as dumb as it can sound.
@@ehKaoss so you recommend just keep trying it with full boost till it clicks?
nice video bro, i started a few weeks ago learning the wrong way to air roll, now im trying this way u explained. Can u show us you config?
I was learning with the method that you said at the beginning, and after maybe 30h i still don't know how to airoll like you, i will try your method and I will let you know how is going with my progress, btw yes I think the same thing about learning like the first method because you still have some time that you car is not precisely in front of the camera some time your car is sideways and you black out so many time because so many time appen and you don't know how to react because at the first time you only now that you have to put the stick up or down always when your car is showing you is top and this will work only if the camera is straight to the car. Btw i will let you know, i wrote to much sry
Yeah not surprised to hear that you struggled after 30 hours with the “wrong” method. Put in 30 hours worth the method I proposed and I’m sure you’ll notice a huge difference. Good luck and let me know how it goes
How many hours would you say it took you to become efficient enough to full boost through the first 5 levels? I'm at about 40ish hours of practice and can do the first 5 of neon about 90% boosted I would say. My main issues are dealing with elevation changes. It's coming slowly though, I guess.
This method definitely works, though.
I bet it'll take me another 60ish hours at least to get confident enough to use it in game, at least.
yeah it take a bit more to get more used to in game and with the ball. It took slightly more than 50 ours I believe. Just force yourself not to let go of boost no matter what happens and try to do the first 5 levels of neon and medieval that wy
@@TheFirstAxiom Yeah this is what I've been focusing on. I'd add that in the beginning, I found going to the out of map training pack helped get some of the basic movements while fully holding boost down. It allowed for more time for the brain to really engrain some of the movements. If I were to learn the other air roll direction, I'd definitely start there for an hour or two, then go to the rings after.
This is the map pack for anyone reading, I found it from a comment on the other video I believe: B85B-DBC9-471F-2DDA
@@travist1169 good tip! I think I did that also at some point later on but I can see how it can also help early on
@@travist1169 ily
@@qcloutedsshorts89 ❤
Thanks for this
Thanks for an amazing video! I decided to go for it and give it a try, unfortunately as a console player, I lack access to the ring maps. Has anyone here managed to succeed using the pillar map? If so, how did you do it? I've spent 2 hours on it, relying on random movements to develop muscle memory, yet I'm unsure of my progress since I can't track it through ring counts or similar metrics. Does anyone have any advice?
See if this helps you: www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/lqg1oh/a_tip_for_all_you_console_players_out_there_use/
@@TheFirstAxiom Thank you for the response! I really appreciate it!
So, I've spent around 4-5 hours on random drills, trying pillar maps, out-of-the-map routes, goal to goal in free play, etc. I've found out that somehow I manage to fly from goal to goal somewhat consistently while always moving the joystick, but I don't know why it worked and it's hard for me to understand my progress, as it still feels random to me.
I do have some questions to help me proceed on the right path:
1. Is it okay to let go of the joystick from time to time? I've found out that sometimes my brain decides to leave the joystick for a half or full circle and then I am able to recover, or when I simply want to go exactly in the direction my car is pointing at.
2. Is there any drill to estimate progress, in your opinion? I'm trying goal to goal which is great, and there is no doubt there is progress, but I've made no progress at all with doing even a simple half round of the pillar map, for example (for both sides), and haven't succeeded even once. So I wonder if there's any good drill that I should focus on.
3. I've found out that I'm doing much fewer adjustments than what you show in the video. Does that make sense? I'm afraid I'll get used to "bad" muscle memory.
Thanks again for replying!
@@ido650 the way i tracked my progress was how many deaths it took me to finish a level in rings. As I kept practicing, it took less and less deaths.
to answer your first question, if you are fully boosting, then you can do whatever you want as long as you're getting to where you need to. So if letting go of the joystick is still producing the result you want to see then no problem. I would say the same thing for your last question
How many hours would you say it took you to get where you are in the video? I've been doing the orientation method you were describing in the first minute of the video and could do about 7-8 levels of different ring maps but after that, I feel like I don't have enough control over the car. I started using the brute force method this morning and It was pretty painful crashing constantly but starting to get the hang of it little by little great video I will keep practicing this every day for a few hours you definitely earned my sub and look forward to more videos from you.
thank you for the kind words and it definitely took me 100+ hours. The thing is once you get good enough to start using it in free play and in game, that will also be natural practice for it.
@@TheFirstAxiom Just a small update I spent around 3 hours on your method yesterday 2 hours in the morning and 1 hour at night before bed. When I did it today I was able to make it to level 3 with only 2 deaths compared to yesterday when I had a couple hundred or more 😂
@@TheFirstAxiomI heard people saying other methods take like 30 hours or something, you think you method is most efficient?
@@tanny01 30 hours to what? Master it? No method will let you master it in 30 hours. To get a very very good hang of out? 30 hours in this brute force method will get you there for sure. i personally think it's the most efficient. But it's a skill that will continue evolving as you use it in free play and games
@@TheFirstAxiom yeah I’m going to go at it I’m just trying to be as efficient as possible so want to do what’s best
I'm about 2 or 3 hours into practicing so far I've gotten to the 3rd to last ring on level 1. I had a moment where I was moving my stick and I was like "I don't know what I'm doing but I'm doing something" but then I kind of degressed a little. I'm curious for yourself how long did it take for you to pass level 1, then how long did it take to feel consistent enough to control direction on the fly to where you practiced training packs / use in game etc.
im gonna try this method out and let you guys know how its going soon.
Any update?
@@tanny01 this video was one of most helpful in my opinion. 2 months later i got really good at controlling directional air roll (left). So i can control it without thinking. Didnt believe in myself at first but once i started practicing. I was able to see results after 1 week.
@@RumblingStarter oh nice btw what rank are you
@@RumblingStarter oh nice. What rank are you
@@tanny01 i dont play much ranked since most of my time are in training or casual. So im diamond 1
since im a keyboard and mouse player, would this method work? i can already air roll good but its not consistent and good enough where i can do air dribbles etc, would take me like 50 attempts to get 1 good and clean air dribble. im great when i need to do an air roll shot to score, save, clear, pass etc but doing these more complicated mechanics my brain stops and i lose the control of the ball. and when doing rings maps, i'd always get stuck on the levels where you need to make a lot of adjustmens where you need to go left and down and then up or something like that
Sorry, I don't know English, but I have a question. In this video are you using the Air roll left, right or directional?
directional air roll left
Do you think it is a good idea to practice his way using a plugin that allows you to air roll much slower? or I should go full in with the normal air roll speed the game gives me? My main issue with learning air roll with every method I have seen on YT so far is just how fast the car rolls on its axis.
I personally don't recommend changing the speed
When I do the directional air rolling is it supposed to stay straight, because I think I might be doing it wrong? You have to hold the directional air roll, in my case left air roll then move the analog stick around correct? As in straight I mean when you hold down the directional air roll and it does the normal spins. When I try to change around the analog its still stays straight sometimes?
If possible you should make another video going more in depth on what not to do, it would be very helpful?
Are you going in circles only? If you are, all the adjustments will cancel each other and you just go straight. Try to not just go in circles only. Try to adjust in places that will get you to where you want, not just circles only.
Recently I tried this and I Was moving left and right but when i reset u just don't know what I'm doing I just keep going left then a lil right then all left
I am pretty decent with changing direction with airroll left, and in free play i can easily do it. But in game i am always to late for changing directions to hit the ball perfect. Do you have tips for that?
honestly you just gotta keep practicing and trying. practice custom pack aerial shots with air roll
Also when fully boosting the whole time i can’t change direction at the right time. You say i just gotta try and no matter if i have 1000 black-outs, at 1 time it just clicks and you know when to put your stick at a direction ?
@@jellebos03 If your not changing the direction correctly it's because you're not pulling the stick in the right direction based on your car's orientation. That's why you gotta do a lot of repetitions until your brain understands how it works.
This is the way
I love this video and I'm definitely going to give it a good shot as it has definitely worked for you and based on the other comments, it is working for others as well! Quick question though: when you do these rings maps, you seem to always be moving your left stick in a circular motion counter-clockwise (while air rolling left). You obviously speed up and slow down or pause the motion, but I'm assuming this style of counter-clockwise circular motion with the left stick is how we should be practicing? And then as our brain starts to learn it, we will slowly start to figure out all the fine tuning aspects to this motion?
yeah i think that's how I initially learned it
I have a question do you keep track of your roof or do you ignore it OR do you just dont focus on it but you knowkwhere it is?
Thx for any answers
when i first started practicing it, i pay attention to my car as a whole but as I got better I focus more on the ball/rings and less on the car
I’m currently stuck at transferring training skills to ingame matches and also I get alot of weird black out moments where my car tilts upside down , not only that but I’ve gotten worse because I’m used to airroll left but I cannnot hit the ball.
can you finish neon rings with close to 0 deaths in 12 minutes or under?
I also want to mention, there might be 2 reasons why you're stuck. Number 1: you simply need to continue improving your directional air roll while aerialing, so do more rings until you get REALLY good at them. 2: You didn't practice enough with the ball in custom training packs and/or freeplay or combinations of 1 and 2. Once you get pretty good at doing rings, you still need to spend a bit of time in custom training packs trying to hit the ball to get used to moving towards the ball.
@@TheFirstAxiom nah I don’t do neon rings I do ice rings and then I’m stuck on some lvl 7
@@TheFirstAxiom I knew this but I wanted to know why I can’t hit ball in general without airroll left because before I could before airroll left?
@@prod2116w probably because you’re a little rusty. Don’t worry about it.
After about a month of doing this method daily I guess I just don't have the talent for it. Maybe a few more months and my brain will get it but man this is hard to learn 😅 Has anyone else been successful with this method yet?
how many hours did you put in over the course of the month? Also did you hold boost the while time while training? How many levels are you able to do fully boosting?
@@TheFirstAxiom About 50-60 hours probably fully boosting. I can only finish level 1 in Neon and Medieval. Tend to lose focus in the other levels. I think the reason might still be my tendency to try to focus on individual adjustments. Whenever I start constantly spinning the stick even when I intend not to turn at all (some sort of a neutral pattern where I still manipulate the car) it seems to help. I think this might be to key, to just try to forget all the patterns (its surprisingly difficult) and try to get the feel for it. Any additional tips for what to focus on or how to perceive the car when practicing?
Update: I have now started to be able to pass more levels and it feels more and more intuitive. I feel that I am now in the stage where the improvements will start to happen exponentially. It just took a while. So if you guys feel frustrated at times, just keep grinding. If a 38 year old hard stuck plat can do it. You can do it! :D
@@juta6500thanks for your update.
I also get used to those Individual adjustment. Glad to know it would be replace. Gotta start practicing as soon as possible. Do you have latest progress that can share ？
@@kalex7457 i saw u commenting on both this video and lemniscate video, could i get any update from you? Im currently sitting still on level 1 after 4-5 hours and 3k+ attempts.. I feel like I should give up, what's the best method to learn this? Spin my stick ccw and try to memorize all the correct adjustments? I only have 150 hours on rocket league, i have very little air control i think maybe it's not suited for me yet..?
please tell us your keybinds and other settings. i am having a lot of trouble with my keybinds especially
my keybinds are not ideal. Check pros keybinds, like ApparentlyJack
@@TheFirstAxiom , thanks so much this video helps so much. I'm already so good at air rolling.
Hey! I have a question. Should I still look at what way my car is facing or just move the joystick till I understand what it will do?
yeah pay attention to your car orientation along with your stick movement
I tried your Methode for 40min straight. I Was getting a glimpse of what could be right. I took a 10min break and started again. When i took a turn i accidently let go of air roll for half a sec while still moving my Joystick. I did this on the next run for every turn and got the Level 1 first try while airrolling
edit: how do i transfer it to the Ball?
"how do i transfer it to the Ball?" get decently good at it in rings then start practicing with the ball
what would i do on keyboard? just click WASD in random order ?
yeah
Should I move the stick around in circles or try to adjust the car to face the direction I'm trying to go because I'm trying to adjust the car to face the direction I'm trying to go while boosting and I keep failing
i just kept moving it to random places with the intention of it doing what i want it to do until it clicked.
@@TheFirstAxiom could you do speed jump rings 3 by dmc
I would like to see full play of rings map
i have another video demonstrating that in my channel. It's older im much better now but it's still good
czcams.com/video/fps8zza2sRk/video.html
Hello there mate,
I have started practicing air roll yesterday, but I have air roll left on square button and air roll right on circle button. I have bound these long ago and I am used to use any of them spontaneously.
How should I do this? Should I just unbind one of them and just try to master one of the two? Because I don't even know which one I am using instinctively, when I am trying to directional air roll. I mean it is not possible to learn both at the same time as it's going to get confusing.
Thanks a lot for the helpful video, I will be trying to apply it once I sort the issue that I mentioned out!
I have air roll left on square as well and use that. Yeah I say only focus on learning one, you don't need to master both. You can wayyyyyy later down the line but the additional benefit of mastering both is minimal and not worth the time investment for 99% of the players
@@TheFirstAxiom I am still struggling to get past lvl 1 on neon rings with full boost and continuous DAR. Should I just keep going until I get the hang of it? Featherboost and small adjustments seem to be working for me better than previously though! Amazing guide
@@TheFirstAxiom Also I am learning air roll right, is it harder than air roll left? And what if I switch learning them, is my brain going to be burnt? xd
@@georgekal9897 yeah keep doing it fully boosted. the beginning is going to be the hardest and might take a little while
@@georgekal9897 i suggest sticking to one as you first learn
I have tried this method and its good in many ways:
1. It forces you to learn control your car in directional air movements.
2. It help you with fast aereals because is fully boosting and you can see it after the training, you are a lot faster in aereals.
3. When you go for aereals you doubt less because now you are acostume to fully boost.
I will update for more.
Hi Axiom
Thanks for this method.Just started for an hour and I having some confusion.I don't know what should I focus on when air rolling
Do you just relax when
air rolling?
Or should I just focus on the rings? since we don't want to look at the car to make adjustment.
focus on the car how you're moving the stick when you're first learning
@TheFirstAxiom Copy that. I got another concern.I noticed that you mainly go anticlockwise on your stick.
Are you mean to do that at the very first time you practicing?
Or you didn't even think of it ,it just happen?
Because I am using air roll right. Do I need to go clockwise on the stick ?Or just go whatever direction I want untill it work?
@@kalex7457 yeah try clockwise movement for air roll right. I think eventually thats what will happen anyways
@TheFirstAxiom thanks. I am looking forward to practice this as soon as I'm free🙏
@TheFirstAxiom, would you recommend turn ball cam on while learning this?
Also, should I try to feel the ''pattern''?I feel like when I calmly gaze at the car, my brain does not register or absorb any information.Just day dreaming basically 🥲
with other methods, people say practice going through rings backwards and sideways. With this method, do you think that this is necessary, since it's bruteforcing the mechanic?
no you should go while air rolling the whole time
@@TheFirstAxiom alright great, I'm gonna throw myself into this and hopefully get good
@@TheFirstAxiom when you are practicing, how do you know you are moving the left stick correctly? Does it have to be strictly in a 360 degree motion going counter clockwise (if using ARL) or does it not even matter. Does it not even have to be circular?
edit to this if anyone is curious:
just move that stick around in a circular motion. I chose to go with counter-clockwise and have noticed that with certain rotations, I'm able to control my car. Now working on finetuning this but I am able to clear the first 2 levels of neon rings in under 10 minutes. Still got a long way to go, but 2-3 days ago I couldn't even clear level 2, so I'll take it
Another edit: making it to level 6-7 is easy under 5 minutes. When it clicks, it really does click
@@melvincooly8 idk if it has to be a certain way. I just kept moving it around until my brain learned what it needs to do. Just keep moving it around while trying to make it work
@@melvincooly8 could u help me
I already passed several levels of several maps and I think I already know how to control it, but when I try to apply it in a game I don't do it any good compared to the training for some reason n I think it's because of the camera, since in those ring maps I have the car camera, but in a real game I have it on the ball camera... am I doing something wrong?
once you're comfortable with rings, you need to start spending time training with the ball in free play or custom training packs
Hi how to get this map in Xbox console? sry I'm new to this and I want to get better.
only on pc unfortunately. You can us the pillars map instead
so you shouldn't start learning with feathering boost, but with holding boost the entire time?
that would be my recommendation, until you can comfortably complete first 5 levels of either of the maps I showed (ideally both)
@@TheFirstAxiom alright thank you for the respond, ill be grinding that out.
I notice you mainly rotate your stick counter clockwise, does it matter if I go clockwise?
maybe if ur using air roll right. if it feel comfortable and its working then i guess it doesnt matter
So I just got home from travel and I'm just starting to do this (10 minutes of frustration so far) - I'll try to track progress at different hour markers. I notice that when you're using ARL, most of your left stick movement is between 0 and 180 degrees. Would it make sense to try to keep my stick movement on that side while I'm learning, or do you think it's better to use the entire 360 to start?
I don't consciously think about where to keep my stick movement. Don't limit yourself while training, try everything until your brain figures out the best way to adjust
Also another reason it might be between 0 and 180 degrees is because in this video most of the time I'm going to the right, not sure if it switches when going to the left
@@TheFirstAxiom Yeah - From other videos it seems like most of the stick movement is opposite to the air roll direction, which makes sense.
That said, the whole point of your method is to not think about it, so I'll stick with crazy randomness until it starts to gel. Thanks, ya akh!
@@RoddieH good luck! Looking forward to your updates!
@@RoddieH how is your progress thus far?
I am switching to controller from kbm... As i feel directional air roll is freakin hard in kbm and is limited, so will this help?
I m currently diamond 2 on kbm
Let me know your keybinds too
I think you can apply the same method for keyboard and mouse but up to you if you want to switch.
Keybinds:
R1: Boost
L1: Air Roll Right and powerslide
L2: reverse
R2:accelrate
square: air roll left
x: jump
triangle: switch cam
circle: nothing
My keybinds are kinda weird though compared to the standard haha
Im gonna start it today what do u think how much time it needs
Im on xbox and so far I’m trying with the map u sayed but I’m keep bumping on every wall there
@@smellslikemeat8391 "For those on console try this code (B85B-DBC9-471F-2DDA) its out of the map and you can pretty much fly around forever it helps with getting the feeling of the adjustments you need to make has helped me alot so far but yeah awesome content bro thought id put that in there. Cheers"
-from another comment
it needs a lot of time, especially on console
I can feel how something is happening that’s a very good video I’m so happy that I found u
@@smellslikemeat8391 How much better have you gotten?
he's using directional air roll right? if yes is it right or left?
yes, left
how long did this take you from starting this method, have spent like 40 hours doing other methods and while fethering but am not close to 360 control
can you complete the first 5 levels fully boosted?
@@TheFirstAxiom i cant yet but im getting there
@@rooneymcfly9268 force yourself to fully boost those 5 levels in both maps and you'll start to feel more and more control while air rolling
do you remember how long time it took for you to learn this?
probably 50-70 hours to get decent at rings. few hundred hours to use it in game with aerials and air dribbles well
@@TheFirstAxiom oh my god, well, do you remember how long it took before you got the ''click''?
@@Petsson0707 like 20 hours probably
Controller binds PLZ
mine are not that good. just look up pro binds
@@TheFirstAxiom OK I was wondering cause my confused if your X Bind is Air Left meaning you don't use regular airoll
@@YNG10 i dont. i only use DAR. right is on l1
I don't even know how to start. I lose control on my car after 2 seconds, and nothing changed after over 1 hour. What can I do?
keep going. keep doing it over over and over again. 1 hour is nothing
@@TheFirstAxiom it was 1 hour a day for almost a week. I don't even know how to start, I only know to rotate the joystick in circles so the nose of my car is facing up. Also then I lose control on my car bu after like 10 seconds instead of 2.
@@idanlevitski are you forcing yourself to hold boost the entire time?
@@TheFirstAxiom sure
@@idanlevitski Are you on console or pc? I'd be happy to jump on discord with you and see what's going on
Im going crazy after 2 hours in rings and absolutely no progess in any way... how long does it take???
2 hours is nothing. Get back to me after 30 hours, you'll start to see some decent progress by then
@@TheFirstAxiom yea i think you are right. Would you say everyone can learn airroll this way? For sure.. some people need more time than others. Dont know if its worth the time 🥵
I think anyone should be able to learn it this way unless they are completely new or have very little aerial car control to begin with
@@raphaelegli3308 it's only worth the time if you want to play RL long term, it'll make the game more fun and easier to perform all sorts of aerial mechanics later on
Thx for your answers. last question.. where are your eyes looking when you do this? On the car or the rings?
I guess my brain can't be bruteforced.
7 days for about 30mns of practice each days.
Can't pass through the 4th ring of lvl 1 of neon map while fully boosting.🤡
Update next week 💩
I think most that have been successful in learning d' air roll, practiced 1 - 2 daily minimum.
I get to 30 minutes on rings and then want to jump into a casual/ranked match 🤣
We need to bruteforce ourselves to double or triple our time doing rings imo
@@I2000ZA Hey, I still can't make through 4th ring.
Not even joking
GL HF 🤣
@@audricgoudezeune2207 Same, lol! My car keeps nose diving in it's pirouette fashion or colliding into the rings with brute force - gg hf 🤣🤣👍
It's been a month+ and no improvement yet HAHAHA. I'm hopeless. 😩
@@audricgoudezeune2207
Did you perserve? How's your directional air roll ability now?
I've just got my PC fixed after 3 months of waiting - had big bills to pay. I'm back on with the rings sessions. Good to be back!
So i just move my stick clockwise until i get it?
no, u have to move it in specific directions. You try different combinations until it clicks for your brain
@@TheFirstAxiom but i have to constantly move my stick right?
@@jacobo7690 yeah since the car is always rotating you gotta keep moving it to compensate where you want to go
@@TheFirstAxiom I've been trying this for like 10-15 hours now and haven't seen any improvements. Is there something I'm missing. I'm fully boosting and constantly moving my stick but I can' do anything on command. I know 10-15 hours isn't that much but I've been trying to learn ARL with other methods for like a month. When I go through the rings it seems like I'm restarting my progress everyday. I can do like the first 5 levels feathering my boost using other methods so idk.
Also, does the training have to be in long hour sessions or is 1 hour a day fine?
@@jacobo7690 my friend got really good doing 1 hour a day in a month. so that approach is fine. Are you actually seeing zero improvement or just slow improvement? how many levels can you do fully boosted?
is this even possible on pc
you mean on kbm? and if so yes
@@TheFirstAxiom but like on controller u have full 360 degree control of your car but on pc ur very limited so i dont think ur able to actually get this level of control as u would have on controller idk if im wrong but ye
@@oliverganic1283 there are many kbm players who can do this. You can definitely do it with kbm. Checkout evample for example
another video just saying you should practice it and it will magically click after a lot of hours
cause that's the truth but the video also tells you HOW to practice not "just practice". Everything in this game needs practice, no shortcuts
I can do this map constant air roll with boost feathering... I'm trying with full boost and... wtf lv 1, 207 deaths (´。＿。｀)
That happened to me when I first started out. I'm 30 hours in and can almost do the first 4 to 5 levels of neon and medieval rings fully boosted while constantly moving my stick. It's so brutal in the beginning feel like you're doing the wrong thing because you're not. A tip I can give you is focus on the nose of your car and the path ahead of you.
There's another CZcamsr that explains it as a "feedback loop" like trying to balance a long stick on the palm of your hand.
@@liftnleap9815 bro i need help do i do random motions and learn them or do i just keep doing random motions till my brain does them where i don’t know where to turn but my brain does
@@thebigcockjay
I air roll left so when I first started something that helped me was tornado spinning with my joystick to the right or to the top right and I still do. From there you make small adjustments either up or down sometimes left. It's hard to tell you what I'm doing because my brain just knows what to do but one thing I can say is early I focused on tornado spinning like 80% of the time and making Minor adjustments from there just watching the nose of my car. It's a feel thing, like a feed back loop.
Another CZcamsr named Lemniscate explains it czcams.com/video/OGqjLvBtSvk/video.html
dude, there is zero chance that is going to work, i literally dont even know which key press moves which direction
your brain will figure it out eventually. read other comments, many people have had successes