Legal expert weighs in after nearly 200 bodies removed from Penrose funeral home
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- čas přidán 17. 10. 2023
- Whitney Traylor provides a legal perspective after investigators discovered the remains of 189 people at the Return to Nature Funeral Home in Penrose, Colorado.
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what a terrible mess and such an insult to the deceased
I see comments saying thats what's supposed to happen. Yes, the bodies are deceased. But the human body needs to be taken care of properly. Dead or alive
Totally agree it's f in disrespectful and total illegal they were paid for a service they didn't provide its immoral and disgusting if that was my family member look out
I just pray that the families are finally given their loved ones. This is the worst crime in our community and this company needs held accountable to the tenth degree!!!!🙏🏼
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Murder? Rape? Armed robbery? Car theft? Frraud?
It'll be a while before I even get to misdemeanors, which this seems to be.
Why not hold them accountable to the eleventh degree?
Colorado, it's the new Florida.
Doesn't look like a funeral home, as much as a tiny fast food drive thru in the middle of a giant parking lot. How miserable of a situation
Lol for real
bought for the freezer, with tables to process the deceased.
I bet that funeral home took $$$$ for the green burials/cremations. They just opted not to provide the service.
If you want something done right you've got to do it yourself
Lol......!
What?? 😂
They won't let us do it ourselves anymore. Used to get tiny family cemetaries or a crypt on property connected to house. In San Dimas, Ca there is one connected to the San Dimas Mansion. It's on the right tiny pool room in pool room in the back side of it. There is a plaque up of who is buried in the crypt. So build a crypt and you can have it your way at your house. Not me. i'll take the ashes in an urn so they can locate me. To each his own.
Body under the patio is traditional.
Not funeral dude😢
This is fkn terrible. My mom had a green burial in Oregon. It would have been DEVASTATING to have something like this happen...Like dude said, there are so many options!! To leave the deceased out like that...heartbreaking. All my love to the affected families.
Wow, abuse of the dead 💀 how low can people get?
Abuse of the living?
Some Chinese are eating dead babies 😢
Its another bout of grief for loved ones. ID is constantly checked here in UK, even where ashes are scattered at a graveyard. How can USA be so lax about such a sacred part of the life/death cycle?
Oh lol... they don't care about the living much less the dead
We don’t have as many graves as the UK does 😂
@@emmathomson2584 Is that your best thinky-type thought?
The US is fewer than 250 yrs old…so, we SHOULD have less graves.
Actually, for a country so young, the US has excessively bloody hands-the amount of graves may be too high for a country as young as ours.
In short, zip it. 🤐
When a hoarder owns a funeral home.
Well or lazy or depressed person.
Too have too relive the Pain of losing a Loved one all over again.
in Ariz last year hundreds of body parts were found scattered about, another "funeral home"
But there's still no law against this from the fed wtf kinda oversite has Colorado had obviously none!!! Time too arrest everyone involved all lose there jobs and put all these A HOLES where they belong Prison
Ffs is nothing safe anymore.
Yup they were selling organs n stuff it was crazy
WTF were they doing with the dead bodies? Sickening!
You sound extremely stupid.
What was a funeral home doing with dead bodies ? Where do you think dead bodies go to ? To school ?
You can legally acquire a dead body, you must report a death, what the deceased or person in authority of the deceased chooses to do with the body afterwards is no one’s business.
There’s a body farm in Tennessee you could donate your body to, you could choose to be buried underneath your garden, the family members could be owing the funeral home.
Wtf were they doing with dead bodies ?
And who is buying body parts?!
They ran out of space or energy to bury them, evidently......They need to give back the money they took from the grieving families and lose their privileges to handle dead bodies. Going to jail would not be a bad idea. I expect they spent the money, so, they committed fraud.
Have A Wild Guess 😈
Spectrum starts From necrofilia to selling body parts....
It is the utter worst crime.against humanity after murder.
How did it end like this.? Doesn't the family pay the funeral home and watches them being buried at a designated cemetery or grave yard. just asking .
I hope everyone involved with this goes to prison for Life without parole.
For every dead life they disrespect
I wonder if these people were supposed to go into the new Natural burial cemetery off Hwy 67. If so, why were they never taken there and buried? That's what it's for. It's only 6 miles away from this funeral home. I and a lot of the residents here want answers.
$ is why they didn’t follow through.
So if you want to get rid of a unidentified body go to Colorado?
This is horrible to disrespect these people that have passed by improperly discarding their bodies so inhumanely. And they don’t know if there has been wrong doing!! Watch the state of Colorado do nothing about this. These poor families.
Probably high on weed !
They would need to pass legislation, the law doesn’t apply well to this horrible situation.
No one is saying it isn't wrong. The point is that Colorado doesn't have specific laws prohibiting this, so there's no basis for prosecution. Stalking was not illegal until laws were written to address it. Interracial marriage was illegal until those laws were removed from the books. If law does not evolve with society, we all suffer. The internet and in vitro fertilization are just two examples where new laws had to be written to address new situations. Harvesting and selling body parts is distasteful, but you can't prosecute based on feelings and emotions, only statutes.
A man was just arrested for buying body parts in MN.
Leftist state. They sell bodies to Bill gates who in turn makes organic fertilizers out of it. sickening. If you get a fertilizer from one of Gates companies, it's decomposed bodies. Just notin.
Morbidly inhumane!
Few possibilities here. But its most likely insurance fraud. The only odd thing here is you'd expect they would cremate the bodies. Thats very odd.
They don't have a crematory.
Nothing odd about any of it!
It requires a fairly long time to burn a body. Gas has gotten more expensive. Maybe they did not have the man power to dig the graves. Who knows ? they are frauds, for sure.
This is SICKENING, our country is DONE STICK a FORK in us WE'RE DONE.
Almost 200 bodies rotting away in a funeral home? What in the hell?
Bet it stunk in there .
The smell had to be something !
Yeah it seems like Hell indeed
@@linanicolia1363 he may have long covid with lost smell
How awful! Those poor individuals and their loved ones! This is occurring way too often!
The dead weren't worried.
Capitalism killed humanity and dignity
@hypsyzygy506 no, I'm sure they weren't. But to have paid the amounts the funeral industry demands, and you think they took care and concern for your loved one... not good for the ones who did this! I'm sure the dead are with them...
Something like this happened in south Georgia maybe 25 years ago. Funeral home pocketed peoples' funds for burial and kept the bodies in a deep freezer.
21 years ago, nearly 350 decomposing bodies were found scattered around the property, at a GA crematorium
And another one was throwing bodies in a pond on the property.
It's happening more often, too, for some reason. Not this large scale but 10 here, 20 there. In 2022, there were several businesses that were caught just simply only embalming and not burying or very poorly burying and not embalming bodies. It's pretty messed up because these funeral homes were likely making more than enough to correctly bury the corpses, especially on the backend on the pandemic.
This happened in Lafayette Georgia at the Tri-state crematory .
The one I was hearing about was up in that area. I had just moved to Loganville (first of 1998) and was working a job up in Dalton for about 6 months. It was all over the news everyday for a while. Don't recall how many body's they uncovered sunk in the pond(s) but it was a lot and had apparently been going on for years.
And we like to refere to ourselves as "civilized" human brings .
Negligence, fraud....😢
Fraud.
Truly sad!😢😢😢
This just cant be true. Wth is going on here? I know its about the money always is. Greed is one of the top evils 😈
If you believe This can’t be true-Then you haven’t been following the Many funeral home abuses across the USA!!! This is Nice compared to many Other stories that have been reported on!!! I Don’t use China Lovin’ Google, but I’d assume this Isn’t an area they bother to bury the truth hundreds of searches from the first up! I use “Bing”,& all’s you need to type in is “Bodies found at”,& you’ll have Many choices to tap on, whether they’re rotting bodies found, babies stuffed in attic spaces, stacks of multiple occupied coffins found-it’s Beyond the Imaginations of even Criminals!!! It Won’t change if We The People, remain ignorant And Silent, so educate yourself & Demand Tough Laws & Regulations!!! Abuse has been going on for Centuries,& has progressed Far beyond what once was just Grave Robbers making monies digging people up for medical schools.
Colorado's lax Funeral Industry gives new meaning to "Wild Wild West"!
So terrible 😢
What the heck did i just click on?
If this is a case of fraud the amount they could have skimmed off the top would be pretty miniscule. Couple Hundred grand couldnt be worth this?
Who buys body parts??? Sick!!!
Medical schools, various medical industries.
Evil ppl to eat at cannibalism restaurants etc...the wealthy fkers..
How sad.
They inspect restaurants more often than they inspect these facilities.
I donated my body to the medical hospital at UNR.
You know the change of command.
When you donate your body to science, they usually harvest tissue like tendons, bones etc....and sell them to medical companies that will sterilize them and sell them back to put in patients. The irony is that your gift is free, yet many people make a lot of money from it. When patients need either , these tendons or, processed veins, they get charged a very high price. It becomes an exploitation, like when we give blood. You may get a cookie while the lab does a couple of quick and simple tests, storing it, until needed . The recipient will get charged a lot for a unit of blood. The lab makes money and the hospital makes money. You got a cookie and maybe a glass of juice. Somehow, it does not seem fair. I considered giving my bod to science but changed my mind. I will have a simple cremation and they can keep the ashes......for their gardening.....
Jeez. Imagine if your kid died and then their small body was just lying in a giant freezer, probably naked, in a pile of strangers. Horrible
Horrific..
I don't see how 189 bodies could fit in that small building.
Colorado DID vote in Lauren B! Foolish people!
First comes the death & then comes murder after death wow I hope who ever involved gets a life sentence & nothing less
My neighbor works in the Dept of California governing funeral and cemetery's, it really helps keep things on the up and up.
And we all know California is on the up-and-up about everything.
Lol! California is a MESS!
@@pinkjeepin7777 in your not so humble opinion LoL. Some things are but not this dept of the state, they actually do a pretty good job
Have they arrested the owner yet because last I saw, he wasn't. His ass is begging for arrest.
People have such poor moral compasses these days. I’d only use reputable companies. Sometimes cheapest isn’t always best. 🤔
Colorado need to rethink its burial laws…yuck
Are these bodies that had passed away and medial and family’s knew it were these bodies trafficked from the beginning and hidden ???
It does seem pretty odd 🤔
Soylent Green is people!
Hey, I was going to say that! Great minds rhino alike 😂.
crazy stuff like this always happens in Colorado
Public health issues
Blasphemy, Sacrilegious, wickedness, evilness and unholy union with greed. These people are dead, however what about those that are dying and no one is watching over them. Imagine the audacity of states completely oblivious to death and their responsibility. People have become so supported by states, they themselves have become complacent by not setting off the alarm enough at the nursing homes, elderly hospitals and clinics. After your sued, then your aware!
What Burial Insurance if any did those poor souls have if any. Today you can't turn on the TV Without some Actor Pushing Insurance too Protect your loved ones.
These folks were doing seriously shady shit . Probably selling body parts like that lady in Montrose Co!orado. All without notifying fami!y. Need more oversight in the funeral biz. How would you like a loved ones body to be desecrated or worse? Just vile.
Its the same in the uk now been about 8/9 years there pushing us to pay for our own funerals and 30 year olds to take out life insurance. We were never like this in the uk NEVER
They sell funeral insurance as it cost around 10K, for the coffin, embalming, viewing, and the plot.....Actually most funerals cost more than that.
Probably cash flow. Cremation was a service provided through contract with an established retort. This funeral home quit providing this service several months ago and couldn't find another retort or had no funds.
The funeral home closed, then power was cut leading to the odor
Could of gone bust due to lockdown
A body starts decomposing the moment a person dies. In about two weeks without refrigeration a body putrefies and basically turns to mush. There may not be much in the way of crimes in handling the bodies, but there should be major crimes in mishandling the money. The funeral home owners probably had other personal debts that they thought should take priority for a period oaf time, then it all snowballed.
The people who want less government are the ones who want to do things like this.
Did they just pocket the money and run ? Looks like it to me.
Im sure this isint the first time this has happened to someone else loved ones in a funeral home but they never got involved in the welfare of the proper way to get the bodies buried
Human composting? WTF?
what do you call it when the body decomposes and the worms eat it?
I wonder how many other states have rules like Colorado? This is spooky! Yeah gramma's out back fertilizing the garden!
Colorado got invaded by California. Your state could be next...
Exactly.... wtf
Have you seen the price of a pine box lately?
So I'm curious. What happens to all those bodies 🤔?
Most parts get eaten...
...at the Return to Nature Funeral Home...well, this is a return to nature
Sad
💯 agree with Counsel
Human composting !? Now i need to google that.
Decomposition is nasty and smells bad. In a shallow grave, a body can decompose pretty fast, but in the open, it stinks. Not sure how good that fertilizer is......not for my organic vegetables !!! NO way ! Maybe for trees.....bushes.......
OMG! 😮 SHAME ON THEM ALL! 😮🤬
Did I hear that correctly that Colorado allows for bodies to be composted ? And they don’t allow somebody to just stack them in a building and just forget about them ? Why not
There is a process for composting, just storing them isn't doing anything for the body. It's lazy and disrespectful, thats why not.
@@whitehuayra I was just being facetious
Return to WHAT ? Hasnt anyone noticed there dead loved left in the funeral home ? Wtf
This does happen all the time across America especially in poor community's that sale boby parts on the black market to hospitals for patients & it easy for these funeral homes to get away with it bocs thy have know one ever checking in on them this is why a message needs to be sent of who ever is involved should all get life sentence
All the time?
But there dead aren't they ? Body parts would surly have to be taken straight after the death at the hospital? Fast as possible surley?
@@carolevans5285evil cannibalism played a big part.. unfortunately..😢
Disapointing
I said if he's a respectful man about what's the big deal. If it's pollution, but yeah it's a nice sanctuary probably linking back to other areas or extortion not covered new ones
This clown world is becoming a horror show
My interpretation: " see that's the thing, you 'cant just have almost two hundred bodies in a pile and say, oh shit we got a super morgue"
Selling body parts fir what???😮
Body parts that will be sold have to come from a refrigerated body, that has been given to science. These parts are used in operating rooms for certain repairs, like veins, tendons and bones. It gets harvested , put in small containers and sold to labs who will sterilize them and sell them to hospitals. There is a lot of money to be made, handling tissues. For years, surgical residents would go to funeral homes, to harvest the corneas of dead people. It was done, without a permission from the families. No one knew but we never had a shortage of corneas for these corneal transplants. The eyes were glued shut, so family members could not try to open them. It got discovered a few ago and now, morticians will ask families if they can harvest corneas. It had been done......without permission for many years. Not exactly ethical !
Cannibal cafes and restaurants...
@@r.i.poul-collecter4154 You need a hobby...
Rip for all those souls 🤍🩵🤍
What!??????
Crazy
Just shocking. People have a simple job bury a body. They can't even do that. I can almost guaranty you that they were paid a lot of money to do it and they couldn't even do what made sense.
HOW is there NOT LAWS in all parts of United States for proper burials, etc… WTF??? I just can’t wrap my head around this. If that happened in Canada… damn … I’m happy my government has a say… forget this
States' rights.
Small government.
Penrose has always been a little out there but this is bazaar even for them! Imagine the smell? 😳
Who or what is buying the body parts?
Sick ppl who are cannibals
No one thinks this was a government op?? Sure has all of the odd details of one.. I lived in Penrose for 5 years, this is shown to be next to the Post Office and down the road a few hundred yards from two restaurants full of people that pay attention to stuff in their little town. That place wasn't there when I was there 5 years ago. But I know it's a small enough town that media wouldn't even draw a lot of attention. This just seems like a scapegoat scenario.
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Bro there may be some misdemeanors
Of course a crime has occurred.
If you have any sense about yourself, having nearly 190 deceased individuals located in one area, is absolute proof !
Furthermore, situations such as this make it clear that the funeral industry needs to be regulated across the nation. Laws and regulations should be standardized as well.
Wow. Happy Halloween.
Colorado you need to get your s*** together.
Wyoming °~•.🎃.•~°
May the deceased find PEACE.
The living SUCK.
Colorado needs to focus on crimes of police on the living, and hold them accountable with a heavy hand
that's racist
@@PunkrockNoir-ss2pqNo it’s not! Lol
Disgusting. I feel so sad for the families.
The evil and wickedness of the this world will become more prevalent as the end times approach. Prepare folks!
American worsening systems
Disgusting!!! How do filth like this sleep at night knowing what they did? Is money this much of a god for them?
Money driven 😢
That is it exactly. People don't like rules, until they do. Ask the people in Arizona who wanted no regulation on their ground water. Until the Saudis and UAE came and took their water. Now they want government to fix it. It is sad.
I would like to be cremated but I would like for my family to do this as their viewing and making sure the ashes are mine...foul play is not what I'm going to pay...it's hurtful but knowing someone's other remains instead of mine is worse...not knowing where you ended up is terrible and a lifetime conscience will affect your loved ones...Nancy in Texas...who agrees
MSM sucks these days. They do not tell you much info on the situation. Where were these bodies supposed to go? What did the funeral home intend to do with that many? People were going to funerals there and did not smell the 100 other bodies? Where were they being kept? The place looks small. How could so many families not know they were not geting a funeral? America this whole thing is beyond disgusting.
Wow, that's your analysis? Terrible. Half of your questions were answered if you paid attention. And, how much information do you expect will be covered in 4 minutes???? Geez.
It's a funeral home the bodies are supposed to be dead
Yet another example that funerals are just a way to rip you and your family off one last time. I'm being cremated, no viewing, no memorial, no wake, nobody standing around looking sad. STAY HOME! I didn't like y'all that much anyways.
sounds like they made a killing!~
That's not right 😂😂😂!
Blah blah blah big government blah blah blah
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I guess they forgot to 'return them to nature.' lol Sorry, my bad.
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No legal charges against the owners? It’s legal to keep corpses unrefrigerated in Colorado?
No legal charges "yet" is what he said. The authorities are in the midst of the investigation and the owners are cooperating.
Too many dead people, at the same time ? Maybe they just ran out of these containers......If it is not seen as fraud, it is certainly unethical and distasteful.
This is totally disgusting. God the father in heaven, sad, bury the dead, and that’s what he means he doesn’t mean human composting !!!!that’s sickening !!!!!you’re not supposed to take ashes and spread them over the water or over the ground they’re supposed to be buried under the ground.!! This is God’s law it better be obeyed !!
Those bodies could be used to make methane and produce electricity.
McDonald's new meatloaf burgers
I read there had been human DNA found in fast food, especially hamburgers, and not just an occasional finger in a grinder......Makes you wonder where it came from.....
Banana state.
The dead don't carre, and for the living it's a disposal issue.