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- I had to sit down and commentate / expand on this Coraline theory circulating around, because Coraline Jones and the Beldam have some dark secrets and Belle DeVelle made a freaky TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@belledevelle/...
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Fangirl,
"Nothing is accidental in a stop motion movie like Coraline."
Exactly!
That includes this proof that the "cat" is posessing and controlling the beldam:
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If you pause it after Coraline kicked the beldam in the face, brighten the image and look at it frame by frame you can see a cat's eye and nose inside the beldam's cracked "skull", the black cat is posessing and controlling the beldam and he's been manipulating Coraline from the beginning.
See more here:
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Watch the rest of the two playlists I sent you (every single video), it'll tell you all about what's actually going on in "Coraline".
Here's a summary though:
The "cat" is not nice and he's not a "good guy". He's anything but "nice". The cat is cruel and manipulative with Coraline and she's so blind that she can't even see that he's luring her into a trap and that he's toying with her (she's so naive that she tells the other mother "I brought a friend" because she's too blind to see that the cat is manipulating her and pretending to be her friend to get her attention off of him and on to the beldam and lure her into a false sense of security when she's around him). The beldam hates the "cat", calls him "Vermin" and cannot escape him because he is the other world and he is everywhere all around her, that's why he knows the location of all the portals, that's why he cruelly laughs and asked Coraline how she TASTES (he feeds on his preys' soul-energies) and said with an evil twinkle in his eye "you think this world is a dream come true... but you are wrong" (he would know since HE is the physical embodiment of the other world, a sentient and vampiric eldritch abomination plane of existence that demands what it lacks, life, and he feeds on his preys' soul-energies, feeding the beldam so he can be fed), that's why he lured her into a trap, lured her back to the other world into the beldam's clutches by showing her the parents' dolls under the bed and the illusion in the mirror, that's why he said that toying with a prey is fun because giving it a chance to escape makes the game more challenging and exciting which is exactly what he's doing to Coraline and she's too naive to see that he's manipulating her and toying with her, etc) , he even disappeared in the tunnel just before Coraline saw the beldam disguised as Mel Jones with normal eyes and reappear a little bit later after she fell into the trap. The black cat is the physical embodiment of the evil other world, a whole sapient vampiric eldritch abomination plane of existence that feeds on the spirit-energies of his victims (he pretends to be the children's friend/ally and then he feeds on them through the beldam and devours them) and he's obviously some kind of millions-of-years-old demon/fallen angel (also the original novels describes the other world as a whole living entity far older than the beldam).
The book (by Neil Gaiman) makes it a lot more clear but the Other Mother is just a parasitic creature living in the throat of the TRUE MONSTER. As the book goes on you hear more references to SOMETHING STRONGER (something "very old/ancient and very slow" at that time but it's getting STRONGER), and eventually it begins to WAKE UP as coraline "escapes".
The Other World (including his portals, like the one used by Coraline) is an ancient and evil entity and a parasitic eldritch abomination plane of existence that drains the life of all who enters it, his physical embodiment appears in the form of a "cat". The corridor/tunnel/portal is the "cat" 's throat and the well with "it's sky full of stars" where the Beldam sent the doll floating at the beginning of the movie is another portal and the "cat" 's esophagus, taking a portal/tunnel to the Other Well is to go straight into the belly of the (demonic) beast.
The reason the "cat" has no "real name" is because he's so ancient that humans have forgotten what he is and what he was called and because giving away his "real name" would give others power over him. But of course he lies about that and claims to be just a dumb cat and that he thinks that cats "don't need" names.
Watch The Theorizer's Coraline theory series, especially part 9 through 13...
Mimi.
I definitely think you should dive into that mini doll thing in the opening scene. That really piqued my interest.
I've always wondered after the Beldam sews in the button eyes, what does she do with the children? I was reading the wiki pages of the Beldam recently... and they all seem to imply that the Beldam loves/takes care of the children until she gets bored with them. So what if she feeds off their love for her and then traps them in that closet area until they die...? And after their death she feasts off their souls that are forever trapped there. (Which ties in the "eyes are the mirror of the soul" of how she takes their eyes and sews the buttons, forever trapping them in the other world.) WHICH ALSO (lol) would explain why the Beldam would rather sew the buttons onto Coraline because it will trap her there. If she's still in the limbo with her eyes she can still escape.
Oh this is fascinating! I never knew that there could've been any connections between funerals and the doll scene. It definitely makes me rethink the entire film. This theory or idea also makes sense if you consider the Beldam to have abilities such as foresight or divination magic. I mean divination magic is already in the film, so having her know when to make the dolls and prep them makes a whole lot of sense.
Something I didn’t point out this time (but I think I did before when I mentioned the Beldam seeing into the future as a possibility) is that everything in that room is COVERED in thick dust and spiderwebs. That sewing machine hasn’t been used in probably decades, and it’s a very old style machine, and that just adds to all the time-related questions I have about the opening scene.
Great observation! I like it
You make Coraline extra interesting.
Thank you! I try my best, but I don’t deserve the credit for recognizing the mortuary tools.
I love how even after all these years there's still more Coraline content to cover!
Maybe the other dolls of characters like wybie spink and forcible are what the belldam used to make the other versions of them
It's possible - they are a lot smaller than the Coraline/Sweet Ghost Girl doll.
ALSO look at the tunnel as Coraline is escaping you can see clothes that scarily resemble the ghost children’s!
Ooooh I’ll have to screen shot the heck out of the scene and see what I can notice! It could potentially support my bigger theory that Coraline is still trapped in there since we know the ghost children never got out.
never get tired of you talking about coraline lol
One thing that I don’t might be helpful is, when you were questioning if the beldam can predict the future since she made the doll and have it ready for her. According to the movie it didn’t take her that long to make it. And the amount of the time coralline was roaming around and come back home. I think those might at least 2-3 hours between the time she started coming into the house and roaming around. So, I would say it’s enough for the beldam to make a doll of her. The scene in the beginning might be during that time since it didn’t specifies in the movie. Also, since the beldam has power she can make the sky looks a certain way if she wants to and from the look of it she looks like a night person. Therefore, the sky was giving off the impression that it’s night time although, it could be very much be during the daytime
I'm thinking the Beldam just uses mimicry to create forms of those who are long term residents. Adds more to the realism for the children she devours if more people they readily know are present. I also think Theorizer's theory that the Beldam uses less material for those dolls(hence why they crumble away so easily and soon), is proven right by that scene thanks to the mini dolls we see.
As for why she has a form for Wybie, that's probably because the Grandma may have been forced to partially raise him at the Pink Palace for a time. Or it could be their proximity, Wybie constantly hanging out by the well, or the fact that Granny was a long term resident just got passed onto Wybie somehow. Any number of things could explain this.
I point these things out, because the Beldam reminds me eerily of a lot of different Fae stories. Particularly surrounding those of Changelings. Course those don't line up exactly, but it is very close. It wouldn’t be the first story about Fae that use mimicry to trick others. Pooka/Puca is another kind of Fae that can do this, which is something it was feared for. Course we do have american mythology too to consider....but I only know 2 creatures that can mimic things. And those CERTAINLY ARE NOT FAE(NOR ARE THEY DEITIES JUST IN CASE WE GOT YOUNG WITCHES LOOKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.). I will NOT share their names however, as it is far from wise, especially on nights like Halloween where spirits are paying close attention. Just know they're both Native American in origin, just different regions. They also have the initials of W & S, this is one of the only safest ways to refer to them without putting a beacon on yourself.
OMG so excited to see a new Coraline video from you! This is super fascinating stuff. Maybe it ties in somehow with the car accident and your previous theory about whether Coraline is dying. Is the beldam waiting for the whole Jones family to die to claim their souls and if so, is the pink palace actually some kind of spiritual limbo that actually means all three are in some kind of coma? They do all look kind of sickly in colour, even if they're not bright blue like Bobinsky!
Another unrelated series of thoughts I had about the film recently:
Since fairy lore involves changelings, surely there has to be some connection between the idea of changelings and the fact that Wybie's grandmother is a twin. Maybe they were never really twins, but a human and a changeling? This needs a lot of thinking through, but how might this idea bring new insights to the behaviour of Wybie's grandmother or the beldam herself? Did the changeling make a pact with Wybie's grandmother so that they both ended up in the same reality, attempting to escape the beldam together in a way that must've backfired later?
Similarly, I wonder, are all the kids already, unknown to themselves, the beldam's changelings that she is attempting to reclaim after the real stolen kids died? This might explain the negligence of Coraline's "real" parents since myths (ignoring postnatal depression, of course) suggest that parents do not warm to their own children if they are changelings. Who knows...? 😅
Did you see how someone pointed out the octopus plush changes when she goes to the other world? And then it's still the other world plush when she gets back to her own world
We have missed this so much. Thank you Fangirl!!! Love Coraline and your content.
I'm so sorry your car was stolen. I actually watched this again for the first time since I was a kid. Still love this movie to this day. Although, I didn't know that about the deceased. Now the movie is even darker 👀
I know! Just when I think it can’t get any creepier - someone notices something else!
the out door rug refrences to germanic superstition that yellow indoors from what i remeber is bad luck
Welcome back! It’s nice to hear from you again!
Hearing this theory has opened my eyes to so many things I didn’t even consider. And I also watched the Theorizer’s theory finally. xD
i thought we always needed a rat theory. as good and true as the bug theory is, rats also play a huge part.
Oooooh, I got you boo! czcams.com/video/oPc1uFcBt94/video.html
A Coraline video !!!? Christmas came early 🎉🎉🎉
i will note it’s not actual saw dust! it’s just an industry used term/nickname. it’s a special compound created for a specific use- not leftovers from a woodworking project
5:39 I think this is correct because if you look closely, you'll notice the dolls don't have button eyes.
I honestly don’t think it’s for a funeral but that the doll used to be made from porcelain and that she enticed the kids on the living room wall with it.
I’ve been watching Coraline with my young son recently so I’m excited for a new video by you!! Your channel and theories are a comfort channel for me 🥰
I also hope you’ve been well!! Life has been a hot mess for me so I hope yours isn’t 🫶🏽
Once I get my car situation settled, things should be okay (fingers crossed!). I hope your hot mess becomes a cool breeze soon!
I think that the dolls of the other residents are the other people because the other father for example is her ''puppet'' to make everything look like a fever dream and convice Coraline to stay
I had a interesting thought after watching the movie in theaters, what if mrs. Lovette was the one with the doll and her sister both went to the other world and Mrs. Lovette sister ended up sacrificing herself and that traumatized Mrs. Lovette and that’s why she doesn’t want any of her family near the pink palace( to where she’s so strict about it) , it seems like it’s low of evidence but I would like to hear what you think about it 😊
Yes coraline content :) have you seen the new discovery of the squid? How it switches and at the end the squid in the “real world” is actually the other world squid 😳 so she’s still trapped 🤯
That's new?! I've been saying she's still trapped since I started talking about Coraline in 2016! 😫
😅wow... I made it to the end. I had never stumbled upon your channel & I've been a member of youtube since it started. Loved your long playlist... I agree with Ezra's letter some & i also like your theories as well. I've got a little something in the works for ya. I'll ship it as soon as i finish. Take care 😊❤ Heidy
I love the intro to this movie and to kubo
In the book since the Belldam make her others for the other world out of different mateirals (e.g. the other father being made out of pumkins) maybe that is what she made those others out of in the movie.
I have three questions and one thought:
1. Why does the little door even have a lock in the first place? The beldam can clearly brick the wall up when she wants to. I guessed Mrs. Lovat put in the lock there but it's on the other side of the tunnel too, both using the same key.
2. If the other world residents are made with help of stuff stolen from them, (other Spink and Forcible from their candy, other dad from pumpkin seeds we see on kitchen window, etc), what would other Wybie be made with help of?
3. If there are cat-sized portals around the Beldam's world, what's stopping her from sending one of her metal hands through? Maybe she's already doing that.
Thought: I've always assumed part of the reason she wants to sew the buttons is that if the child can't see, she barely even has to "make" a whole room at a time. The child wouldn't be able to tell the differnce. As long a the part they're interacting with is currently there they wouldn't know that the rest of the room wasn't.
I don't expect them all to be answered or anything, just wanted to share. Loved the video! and love that my fanart was in the end haha
Love This Movie Even More.
All Your Theories Make Perfect Since.
I wish I was clever enough to notice all of the mortician tools on my own, but those kind of things creep me out so much!
It's been so long! I've been waiting !
Just when I thought there wouldn't be more Coraline videos 👏👏
I saw coraline theory and clicked instantly, haven't been here in a while
Gonna definitely get into your recent videos
ya know, i always thought if i were coraline, i'd try to talk to the beldam. it's kinda wild that coraline finds this extra-dimensional entity with the power to create entire worlds and just...doesn't have a single question about any of it. i'm not even saying that she should necessarily be immediately untrusting, as she isn't really given a reason to be for quite a while. but wouldn't anyone at least be curious from a...scientific angle, for lack of a better word?
like. when this entity comes to me and seems willing to do anything i want, the first thing i'm saying i want is a long, philosophical/scientific discussion about what she is and what she wants. lol.
something like:
" alright, that was a nice dinner. but pull up a chair, mom. your mere existence has made me question all of my beliefs and outlooks in life. if you like making me happy, then make me happy by sating my curiosity. what are you? where did you come from? how do you make these things, precisely? do you create matter itself, or have you built this world from materials you gathered? since you brought me to this place, i assume you're trapped here? maybe i can help."
whether she tells the truth or not, there's a lot to be learned from her responses.
or maybe i'm just a big nerd lmao. i'm curious to hear your thoughts though! does anyone else agree coraline's immediate, complete lack of curiosity about the whole situation to be strange?
I used to watch your old coralline videos 😆
Let’s say the beldam keeps all the children in a world where she slowly feasts on them until the next child comes into the pink palace!
The difference between the candies in Spink/forcible apartment only has 10-30 years in between them(if those truly represent each ghost child)- so maybe she feasts for however long it takes the next victim to come, because if they were just children they wouldn't pass away from old age in only 10-30 years!
So maybe when they ghosts say "ate up our lives" they don't mean literally. If your being poetic “ate” could have many meanings - we don’t know if it’s a immediate death sentence once the buttons are sewn- maybe it gives the Beldam the chance to use less magic because the children can’t see and then they can be given the basic needs to survive (if that) she could conserve her magic /be her true form and still be loved , that being said they could mean wasted/inhabited/invaded their lives and ate upon the love they gave the other mother!
Also in the sewing room, if those tools aren't sewing tools and they are embalming/morgue tools.
Notice how in the starting scene, it's not like making a regular doll- it's the preparation for an autopsy ( clothes being cut off back, mouth sewn shut, eyes sewn shut ) possibly implying the usage of the Sweet Ghost Girls soul is no longer needed, and now in preparation for Coraline!! Coraline isn’t dead yet, but the beldam is preparing for Coraline to die . 🤭🤭🤭 just a theory hehe
And what I meant by “if that” when being given basic needs, since they can’t see they don’t truly know what they are eating or doing .
If the other mother says” I’m giving you noodles!”, and the other mother just loves bugs - who says it can’t be worms- or if she went and got you some expensive coco chocolates from Zanzibar - maybe they really are beetles! But the children couldn’t see that’s so they truly thought they were getting treats.
“ she said that she loved us, but she locked us here ( in the other world) and ate up our lives “ took the time in raising them, in her weird ”motherly“ way and then when she didn’t need them - she “retired” their souls.
so like, you know how she got into a car crash? what if coraline was already dead and shes going through the afterlife
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR ANOTHER CORALINE VIDEO, GIRL! LOVE IT! 🩷
Ooo this is really great information. I know I've watched the core theory video like 100 times but I'm gonna go watch it again and try to fit this in perfectly. I will never tire of your videos, especially the Coraline videos so with any new info/ thoughts you have please don't feel weird about making another video about it! See ya, Meghan!
I actually want more book Coraline theory. There's almost nothing but movie Coraline theory, and very little book. And the book is so much better! Imo
Can you talk about Miraculous Ladybug? Ever watched it?
0:00 yes
HECK YEAH NEE CREEPY CORALINE STUFF
Coraline theory/analysis? What year is it 2017? Lol, this is so nostalgic for me I was in middle school when the Coraline craze started and now in on my third year in university
Oh my gosh meganne 2 moments in..im.so sorry about ur car getting stolen 😡 ppl are horribme and or desperate these days but stealing someones vehicle is inexscusable..i truly hope u can get a replacement soon-an even better one u have ur heart set on..thank you another video but esp being coraline themed. I just love your video essays and content in general..plus ur lovely hair lol if thats not too weird to say...always thought it was so mesmerizing and soft when draped over your shoulders regardless of the color but can really see the beauty looks like gold when natural and blond
Just wanted to say youre lovely and we love your material here in fla..much love ❤..ok now im gonna actually watch the video past the 40 second mark lol
I've always wondered why in the other mothers realm only the pink palace and gardens exist? Surely if she wanted the children to stay there'd be more for them to visit right?
I have speculated on this a lot - I think it takes her so much energy to trap these kids that she takes their eyes so she doesn't have to put up the visual facade.
@@TheFangirlWatches I have a question, what is your opinion on the Theorizers theory on the cat controlling the Beldam and her once being human?
Holy shit! I miss your channel. Such a beautiful voice and hair. I use to love your videos when I was like 21-22. Use to watch videos videos drunk.😢 so lovely
Hey Megan! Love your channel!! I thought maybe you could do a couple theories on the movie Hook with Robin Williams. It's one of my favorites. 😊
Oh darn I meant to make a video on this but didn't have high quality images of man well good on you fan gril
what about bloodloss? for the eyes also you made this very intresting when i saw it i just saw it as a movie to watch youve made this movie alot intresting thanks!
The seringe in the kit always seemed out of place for me. That is not used in doll making.
But didn't know why.
Hell yeah I've missed it!
It's fantastic how more and more details are uncovered, but I still can't explain how does the other mother gets the doll from wybie's grandma to change its appearnce. I mean she might have used her rats but how and when and did wybie's grandma notice that the doll is different?
wow makes sense to me!
Yes I have missed you!
YES
The missing sister that went into the other mothers world what if there was another version of her twin sister with buttons for eyes just like wybie and maybe tried helping her to escape but was not succesful so what happened to the other ghosts sister?
Coraline!!
Coraline is making a comeback in theaters later this month in Anchorage. Is it coming back to theaters anywhere else?
I think it’s national, but only for one day, if I heard correctly.
I have watched a lot of Coraline theories and I haven’t seen someone mention this yet, or if they have I cannot remember so please let me know if you’ve talked about this before.
So we know that the beldam can shape-shift and we assume that she took the forms of the ghost-kids parents when she was trying to take them, like she did with Coraline’s mother. So why does the beldams true form, the spider one, still look so much like Mel Jones? Shouldn’t she have a completely different face?
I did talk about this! :D
From 2019: czcams.com/video/62acerN4o3A/video.html
Nice theory btw could you do a theory on Jumanji?
Did you have any lingering questions on Jumanji? I might be able to cover it as a retrospective, but I never really thought of much to say about the movies as a theory.
@@TheFangirlWatches like the origins of not Just the broad game Jumanji but also the broad game Zathura too.
Yay coraline!😊
I made it to the end!🙂
someone get Theorizer in here 😮
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Oh interesting 17m