The Twisting Tyburski Family Affair
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2022
- Just outside Cleveland, a body was found. With no ID, the police went public in hopes of finding out who she was. A call was made, that was Shelly Tyburski, daughter of Janet Tyburski. But what really happened to Shelly? Was it her boyfriend who was a drinker with a temper? Or her mother who did not get on well at all.
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The most amazing part of this story is the black out drunk boyfriend was telling the truth the whole time.
I was pretty confident he was guilty for a while through Mike's retelling of the story but at the same time I believed the story the boyfriend was telling. He didn't act like he was trying to obfuscate the truth.
@@nickn271 I initially thought he had something to do with it because he kept going on about her mental problems and her relationship with her mom etc. Sounded more like he was trying to tear down her character as a defense to the police. But i have to admit i was wrong. That being said 9/10 its going to be the drunk boyfriend with former domestic problems then a mother murdering her own daughter.
@@dre3k78 Sure, keep believing that and don’t mind the statistics about women being just as abusive and manipulative emotionally mentally and physically as men. Literally almost dead 50/50 but 9/10 times rightttt.
Right?
And while listening.. you can tell he is innocent, even tho he was a “pos” 👍🏻
The fact the ‘mother’ even had the stomach to mess with her daughters corpse to make it look like a sexual crime is disgusting.
Your own child...leaving her half naked in a field somewhere...what the hell man...
Seriously disgusting
She's very strange
Issues don't get better as people age. It's the law of gravity.
I guess Janet reached her limit.
not to mention she also got her other daughter to help her clean her own shit up. Mother of the year...
Shocking story. The mother’s call to her other daughter almost sounded like she was passing a message to the daughter about what story to stick to rather than letting her know that the situation had reached a climax. It makes me wonder if the other daughter was directly involved in the murder and the mother is taking the fall for it completely.
BINGO!!!! I think the daughter killed her and Mommy dearest took the rap. That woman wasn't physically capable of wrestling anything besides a Twinkie. No way did she fight with Shelly in bed, roll off the bed, bash her head on the ground, and then smother her. She would have come up with a "plan" to kill her. ESPECIALLY with life insurance on the line. I guess her plan was let the daughter go in while she was sleeping, murder her, then stage it so they could frame Drunk, Deadbeat Dad.
I 100% agree! Janet was telling Hannah that she was “accessory after the fact” & that she was so sorry she involved her by having her “help move the body.” Basically telling Hannah that moving the body is all she should confess to.
at 20:20 her answer to "why do you think she did it" was SO quick with that "a burden".... i got the same vibes. Athletic sister went off the rails and mama took the rap.
Daughter killed sister, mom took the fall to protect the other daughter. For sure.
Glad to know that you all agree with me. Catch you in the comments section of the next video 😁
I hate when murderers give their apology in court and say “I just have to live with what I did” that always rubs me the wrong way
Who was she even apologizing to? The family? She was the family! Probably just sorry that they were so easily caught
More annoying to me is when they say they're sorry for "what happened", using the passive voice as if they had nothing to do with it.
@@bamthankyoumaam if only she were actually apologizing to her grandson... she took his mom away, and really now who does that little boy have...? An auntie that defiled his mom's corpse? A grandma that killed her?! I hope the boy's father takes over and has literally ANY stability to give that poor child.
Because at least they get to live
Or when they say “ if i could go back and change it, i would… but i cant. 🙄🙄🙄
Tommy the nearly 50 yr old saying his ex gf has the mentality of a 14/15 yr old is disturbing in itself.
The way that he was talking about her made me think it was definitely him. No brainer. The man was disgusting...
But wow. What an incredible twist of horrible fate to have been subjected that kind of death her mother. And dishonour of the corpse by her sister!
Tommy looks like a saint next to her actual pos family
@@sundarilamond3071 Same, he seemed very blase and his alibi was kinda weak but holy shit, I feel so bad for her.
She deserved a way, way better life.
And her 'child-like mentality' was probably more accurately a stunted emotional growth, not her actual mental abilities being limited. When you're in mental health crisis your capacity for analysis and critical thinking is really fucked up and could be compared to a child, even if you're doing complex equations to explain bizarre theories or something.
So I don't believe he was completely wrong with it, but it still sounded like he was actively preying on someone too unstable or unwell to understand he wasn't a good choice. And saying that like SHE was the problem was disturbing to me.
I have had a lot of older men show interest in me, and they usually presume I'm more childlike than I am, and it creeps me out that they seek that out actively, and they're usually incredibly emotionally stunted but in denial.
This guy obviously has his own issues, addiction is usually a sign of past trauma so he's probably emotionally stunted too, but to talk like that about her when she's found dead was pretty cold.
Her family on the other hand... Vile. I kinda feel like the 'golden sister' might have been abused in some way too. Even if it's just the abuse of being compared to your troubled sister as a way to shame the sister, because it never actually feels nice to be the object your parents use to bully your siblings. She probably also had it drilled into her that if she showed any temper or distress, she might end up like her traumatised sister, and has learnt to hide parts of herself. Which might explain why she just switched off her feelings and smarts to help her mom knowing it's a crime.
Still vile, but probably reflective of an abusive household all round...
@@sundarilamond3071 oh mom and sis were definitely setting him up. They would have sat there and watched him rot in prison too.
@@lyricberlin I have watched TC for years and never commented. This episode has been the only one where I have needed to vent and comment on the absolute toxic complexity of every person in the situation... unbelievable.
@@sundarilamond3071 yup that weirded me out too
It’s so interesting to see a case where the ex was innocent and actually correct about the real suspect - even crazier he basically knew his ex-mother in law was capable of this 😱
Thanks for the spoilers Kelli!!
@@MrS4ndm4n you chose to read the comments before watching the video, that’s what happens man. It’s not Kelli’s fault
@@southsidese18 whoosh
Yeah it's refreshing but depressing that a mother could do this.
@@MrS4ndm4n hahahha I’m so sorry I didn’t even think before posting! The video’s chilling either way 😰
The boyfriend even SOUNDED honest this whole time.
I always doubt the boyfriend but I didn't doubt this guy even once.
I can’t believe the police let her call her daughter before bringing the daughter in. That phone call was WAAAAY too clinically specific about her daughter’s involvement. Hannah 100% had more to do with it than just moving the body. Mom took the whole fall on purpose.
That is the clearest and most honest alcoholic I've ever heard. He really ended up helping the cops find out what happened to Shelly. 👏👏👏
Oh boy, mom thought she had picked the perfect target to frame for a life sentence! God bless his strange middle age arse.
fr if that was me that drunk i would’ve been sleep
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I wonder if he ever got sober to raise his child? I hope so.
Men are portrayed so horribly in media that when people see how most men in real life actually are, they are shocked. 🤦🏽♂
"All children deserve parents, but not all parents deserve children", always rings true
I’ll start with Adam and Eve - we all inherited their spiritual DNA- man doesn’t decide what is right or wrong by a mere opinion - God did that already and He told to warn of the consequence- this is when man was given
a choice
@@mandycote5662 or don't start at all..
@@mandycote5662 that was for you. not sure why it didnt tag you lmao
@@mandycote5662 Who?? Not a Christian so the myth doesn't apply to me. Malum in se crime. Murder is wrong in every culture. We don't need a myth to rationalize it.
I wish parents had to have multiple mental health checks and IQ tests before they could conceive. It's already selfish enough to bring a kid into this shitty world that didn't ask to be here, but a lot of parents aren't satisfied until they traumatize the hell out of them or outright kill them.
The way she informed her daughter of her confession was as if she was trying to give her “the story” she told the police….makes it seem like she was actually covering for Hannah 🤔
Exactly what I believe.
yep, no doubt. especially how she called her sister a "burden" and chaos. I can imagine the argument that lead up do it.....
The mother behind it all, my god, this is horrible! I bet the mother thought the police would arrest the drunk boyfriend. Good thing the truth came out!
Drunk scapegoat cast as the boyfriend
The mother had zero emotion. This wasn’t a “crime of passion”. This was calculated, planned and sociopathic.
She was married to a lawyer...that's why the younger sister knew she didn't have to answer any questions and left. SMH why she even confessed about her daughter helping her move the body who knows... she's just an asshole
Agreed. It was premeditated murder planned prior to the insurance policy being taken out.
@Hereandthere andnowinyourface your argument just shows how cold and calculated the crime Janet committed was.
@Hereandthere andnowinyourface What you missed out is the fact she let her husband abuse her daughter and did nothing!! No wonder the poor girl had issues, sadly her biggest issue was her monstrous mother. Your comment is very disturbing.
@@ariadneschild8460 You are 100% correct.
That was a very unemotional "I'm sorry" for someone who murdered their daughter and staged her naked body to suggest a sex crime.
She likely staged it, but it's possible that she dragged her to her final resting spot, and if doing so by her feet it could've pulled her shirt up. Seems to me she was trying to blame the drunkard bf.
Hi bipolar is a horrid mental illness. Imagine using the other daughter to help her. Mother from hell! Then blaming the ex... She then would have the child, the 💰 !
I'm more sincere when I apologize to my dog for being hateful
Absolutely! Try and imagine your own mother in her place - it becomes ridiculous! Killing one daughter after she became "inconvenient" and involving your other daughter in the crime, then claiming it's a "crime of passion" when she doesn't show a hint of emotion! If Rachel's mental health problems were genetic, I think we know which side of the family to look at!
@@heathernikki5734 well said!
My heart broke when I heard the 911 call from her mother confirming her identity, I thought that must be such a soul crushing way to find out about your daughter’s death…but then it turns out she’s a horrible person and to go as far as messing with her body to make it looking like she was sexually assaulted??? wow…
"I'm around 50 and my ex girlfriend has the mentality of a teenager." That has a creepy ring to it.
Why? She chose to be with him, and he's not lying either.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that felt that way.
I was looking for this comment!! Wtf! He says she has the maturity and personality of a 14 or 15 year old, yet he had a child with her!? That’s just disgusting
If she had the mentality of a teenager you can’t expect her to make 100% rational decisions all the time, don’t push all that blame onto her. He chose that relationship just as much as she did, likely with more knowledge of the imbalance than she had.
Not in America, that is very common, so many women have a child-mind, you can't blame men for that.
Can you imagine how cold blooded and twisted of a person you have to be in order to murder your daughter then being able to go to sleep? That’s WILD! I get in a little argument with the wife and it keeps me up at night. 🤦🏼♂️
I thought that was significant also. Violently murder your own child then go back to sleep? WTF?
@@steverogers2603 God forbid I ever do anything like that I would have a real hard time ever sleeping again. I think she had no emotional attachment to her daughter. How can she live with herself?
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It really came across like she had no love or compassion for her daughters… fine with murdering one and throwing another under the bus as an accessory to murder. It’s hard to understand how a mother could become so detached and cruel.
@@steverogers2603 if you’re a psychopath the murder of one’s own daughter won’t affect your emotional state, you might be kept up by the prospect of needing to clean the evidence but that’s about it
After hearing enough of these cases, I no longer think of it as "Life Insurance," but more like "Death Assurance."
So true!!
There was a time when I had three life insurance policies on my head. Thank goodness no-one knew about them!!
The odd thing is, even I didn't know. I thought I had one policy to cover my mortgage. The mortgage company made me take out a new one. I thought they were automatically cancelling the old one but I later found out they didn't, so I was paying for two policies for nearly a year without realising. Then I found out I actually also had life insurance through my job, which I didn't know about. I thank my lucky stars I didn't have a Janet in my life!
@@azby7933 swear that's exactly how I think of it. Like a bounty on your head
I came up with the same name too lol
Drunk boyfriend was among the most believable and genuinely interested in helping police people I've ever heard on here..also, shout-out to you Mike for shouting out his killer musical talent.
I definitely believe the murdered daughter was abused and the so called personality disorders were just gas-lighting and discrediting this victim throughout a lifetime of domestic abuse. The less people believed her, the easier she could keep on being abused by these walking trash cans. This isn't crime of passion, it is first degree murder by psychopaths, as usual
She was the family s scapegoat. It's evil.
But the boyfriend also said she was troubled.
The problem with that theory is that personality disorders have a strong correlation with child abuse. So, she most likely actually had a personality disorder, probably BPD.
This could easily have been my own story if I didn't leave my parents home. Mothers don't automatically love their kids, society needs to wake up to this.
That's why society should stop pushing women to have children at all costs, cos "that's what you do".
Wow, sorry to hear that. Hope you r living a good life now on your own terms 🙏🍀
The vast majority of mothers do, but there are exceptions, especially with drugs, narcissism, or extremely low self esteem. I’m sorry you got a bad mother but I admire the fact that you took control of your life and got away from her.
@@junoatx I just feel like society has accepted the "dead beat dad" narrative a lot easier than they're willing to accept the fact that a lot of women don't have the "maternal instinct". So many babies left in dumpsters, murdered, abused, neglected, left in the path of boyfriends who are predators...the list goes on. And there's a subtle emotional abuse as well, I have many friends who make comments about having a distant relationship with their mothers. So not that their mothers were abusive per say, but just the lack of authentic love you know.
@@johndomuch it's hard. Even now so many years later and I have two kids of my own. It's hard navigating this world without a mothers love. That safe space to turn to, that person that you can go to for anything. I always thought that once I was a "grown up" that I wouldn't be affected. You know the things we think as kids, not totally understanding. But I've learnt that you never stop wanting or needing a mom.
Tommy: "She was more like a, you know, fourteen or fifteen year old in the head."
Also Tommy: *has a child with Shelly*
You could get as drunk as Tommy was off of a bottle of Jack, half a bottle of Crown, and about 20 beers on St. Patrick's Day if you made this video into a drinking game with the phrase "ya know?"
I thought about that as well. Insults her, and through his words he basically acknowledges he used her and could only get a girl who has a low intellect. He sounds like a real winner.
Ok. So….what?
@@oldhickory4686 being mentally stuck doesn't mean "low intellect", in her case it definitely refers to her impulsiveness, not that she was dumb as a teen (she could be, but it's a different question).
@@scottm6690 @Scott M I'm not the OP but I think it pretty clear that the "so what?" is that, although not illegal, it is morally and ethically questionable to enter into a sexual relationship (and one that results in a child to boot) with someone you perceive as having the mentality of an actual child. Perpetrators that victimize children often do so because children are easily manipulated due to their lack of life experience among other factors. This man was exploiting a loophole as he was legally in the clear because he was victimizing an adult body with a child's mind, based on his own admission. All the ease of grooming without the legal ramifications.
She is so evil. Its scary seeing her so calm, and she shows no emotion when talking about her murdering her own daughter.
I watch a lot of true crime content, but I still can’t comprehend how someone can murder their own family members, especially when it’s their children.
She didn't even have the gull to give her a fighting chance. She had to attack her when she was most vulnerable. I don't want to imagine the heartache the poor girl felt knowing that the mother who raised her was killing her. When I envision myself in a situation like that it's the most painful thought.
I lost a daughter when she was 7.5 years old. I would do anything to have another 5 minutes with her, and I mean anything, and when I hear about parents killing their own kids it makes my blood boil, like boil enough that I could melt steel with it. RIP to her daughter and I hope prison is very tough for her.
I’m so sorry. 🙏🏾
I'm sorry for your loss.
So heartbreaking. Sending my love.
Sorry for your loss. 💔
@@luxlisbontoo thank you so much.
As a person who had addiction issues, overcame them, became a father at age 40 and helped raise 2 honor student daughters, I can say it's not to late for Tommy to get sober and be a positive role model in his son's life. That kid will need guidance and love and He needs to be there when he gets sober. I'm rooting for him.
Same. People can change. I've seen it done by others, and I've also experienced positive change in my life.
So we'll put. Credit to you. I'll be rooting for them too.
Same but younger my kid gave me the drive to want to get sober and be a good role model whether I’m in front of her or not I always act and do stuff like my kids watching me do it
I'm 38.. running out of time being a loser...I'm a pot head :( but I love hearing people being successful so great for you
Kudos to you, and I share your hope for Tommy and Cole
She wasn't throwing her daughter "under the bus" she was giving her a heads up that she's taking the whole rap for the murder and that her daughter is only being looked at only for helping out after the fact and not to say otherwise. The daughter was probably completely complicit from near the beginning
Honestly this is the kinda sht that scares me. I also have a personality disorder and I know I can be hard to deal with sometimes and our family life isnt the greatest always, we have had some awful confrontations. Makes me scared to think that maybe my family secretly loathes me and getting rid of me would be better for everyone. Makes me sad.
I’m sure your family loves you.
Everyone has arguments sometimes but you always make up and move on.
Why not be upfront with your self awareness and your fears? Talk it out. You might all get on the same new page
My daughter has a personality disorder,and sometimes she is very argumentative,and is like a dog with a bone when she wants her way. I would NEVER dream of harming her in any way, shape or form! She is my oldest child! Yes she has verbally abused me, but that is part of her illness, I just ignore her for a day, then she calls me to apologize. No good loving parent would ever hurt their child, I have tried to move Heaven and Earth to find her help because she is miserable even on medication
This might be the first true crime story I’ve seen where the victim wasn’t said to be the nicest, most caring person in the world.
She didn't light up the room....
Wouldn't give a person the shirt of their back and help anybody at anytime or anywhere...
Ive noticed that too. Every victim is such an angel. Actually I think that proves that there are more good than bad ppl in the world.
I just started watching so haven't gotten there yet but saw your comment first thing and thought "😳 ohhh gotta see this one" Not to insinuate she deserved it or make fun of someone's death.
Edit: ok.. some people do deserve it. Still haven't finished this one, but I'm talking about pedophiles and horrible murderers and maybe some that only hurt others and do nothing good ever. I don't try to judge others that's God's job. But some I believe that we should arrange the meeting.
That might be in part that the parents are usually the ones who say that their loved one was the best. And we know her mom is a POS
I'm not surprised her daughter had issues. Having her for a mother would drive anyone insane. During the interrogation, you can see how manipulative she was. I can only imagine what living with her was like.
RIP Shelly. I hope her son is in good hands now.
Seems likely that Shelly was trying to get away from her mother, but the psycho wouldn't let her go and decided that just killing her own daughter would fix the problem. Then convinced her other daughter, that had nothing to do with it, to help her dispose of the body... that's some fucked up shit right there.
On top of that the possible SA from the father… all on Shelly.. it makes sense. Why Shellys life went so differently than her sisters. Poor girl.
@@kalliope8238 that's sort of what I was thinking. Shelly was about 11 when her father died, and her sister would have only been about 4. It's (tragically) not necessarily the case, but maybe her sister was spared from suffering the same abuse that Shelly says she endured.
I think everyone has it wrong. I think the mother was covering for the daughter. If you listen to what she says when she calls her she's leading her the whole time letting her know what the story is gonna be cuz she's not gonna get to talk to her. And when confronted that she might be found out for murdering a loved one, one of them cries hysterically and runs out and the other sits there calmly wanting to know what the police "think" happened. If she seems like she doesn't have remorse it's cuz she doesn't. She didn't do anything. That's what I think can't believe no one else is saying that. Go back and listen to the phone call
@@S-tank_ Valid idea, but even if she did do it I still believe it was the mother pulling the strings. To me, and probably most others here based on the comments, the mother comes across as extremely manipulative and not at all like a protective parent. That said, opinions are like assholes, we all have one, and they stink. Including my own.
Mom doesn’t act like a guilty person but rather a person protecting her daughter
A narcissists apology always seems to start with ‘I have to live with this’ as if that’s the worst part 😂
Her calculated attempts to try find out what the police had on her were chilling. And a dead giveaway.
And how savage must you be to desecrate your daughter's body to make it look like sexually motivated murder.
Prison's too good for her.
remember loving little sis did it too. And she got NOTHING. 90 days suspended sentence.
@@lyricberlin she was involved after the fact and there's a decent chance she was a little worried about, you know, also getting murdered as well
@@sarahamira5732 by an old woman? That little sis, Hannah, was a young woman in her prime and unlike her older sis, she was awake. No way her mom could have murdered her.
@@braetonwilson4296 people who are scared don't typically think logically
Yeah it’s... it’s devastating that a mother would not only murder her child but then shame her after death with that... just a disgusting person.
Imagine calling your own sister and daughter a burden and killing her because she didn't fit the cookie-cutter mould society set out for her. What monsters!
There was no excuse for murder here, but let's be honest: Rachele was not a great person. Troubled, but not innocent.
Imagine how long it takes to suffocate someone to DEATH.. for them to die, we are talking over 5 minutes. And not only are you fighting them through the struggle, until they go unconscious. You then have to HOLD it after they are out.. Crime of passion my butt. That is SO LONG to be in that situation, realize what you are doing, and have the opportunity to stop. It doesnt happen by an accidental moment of emotion. You gotta REALLY make it stick, to suffocate them with a pillow and your hands? PLENTY of time to be actively thinking, "I'm killing my daughter". And decide, yup, I'm ok with that. Especially once they go limp and you sit there holding it to make sure they die.
Crimes of passion happen in an instant. Find your spouse in bed with someone, bash em in anger, they hit their head, etc.
Not 10 minutes of holding your kids mouth closed until WELL after they are unconscious.
@@n0k1ngs41
How is that relevant though? I mean I agree, she was probably a huge pain in the ass, from the way its described. But it seems like she was molested.. and possibly mentally ill. So I'm not even sure its 100% her fault she was poorly adjusted. And unless you think being uncouth is reason enough to murder her.. then she was innocent. Like literally. She was sentenced to death, by her mother, for what?
Just trying to understand the mindset that makes you watch a story about a lady being strangled by her mother, and YOUR mind goes to, "well.. the daughter was a little shady"
Wat?
@@karenamyx2205 I literally stated "there is no excuse for murder". Full stop. But the parent comment made it sound like the mom was mad at her for trivial reasons. Being a lying, cheating, irresponsible mother is far beyond "not fitting the cookie-cutter". It sounds like she was making life hell for her family. Unfortunately she probably got a lot of her mental instability from her mother, who ended up fighting crazy with crazi-er.
@@n0k1ngs41 why does it matter,many people have done shameful things in their lives and i’m sure you have to, judge others how you want them to judge you. there was no reason for her to die, and look at who she grew up with, didn’t have a great example.
The cops owe that drunk boyfriend a few cases of beer.
THe lack of emotion from the whole family is really disturbing.
As my mum says, “children don’t ask to be born so we as parents must help them forever” Shelly didn’t ask to be born she didn’t ask for the ‘issues’ she got. May they rot in hell for what they did to her.
Yes!! You don’t get to treat your kids like a burden. THEY did NOT consent to being alive. That is the PARENTS fault and they can deal with the consequences.
@@fruityblue9784 it genuinely upsets me how relatively “easy” it is to make a child, like saying a child is an accident boggles my mind.. There’s also MANY WAYS to prevent having a child, so “parents” who regret having their kids are the worst… they didn’t choose to be born and you didn’t try to stop it.. So now you have to be a parent and raise that child and only you are to blame. Don’t blame the child for your choices.
The sin of lust
@@KingOfGaymes I agree with you. Even after they are born, there are still choices for the parent. Put them up for adoption. Arrange an adoption with a friend, family member, or even stranger. Put the kids in foster care.
It's not the children's fault that they are a burden to the parents.
Hell does not even deserve them at all. They deserve the shadow realm.
This is another example of why toxic family systems need to be exposed and diffused
Stop alot of mass shootings perhaps?
And systematically eradicated. It is the government's work. They should start ASAP.
@@mullcrumthesage6303 It could. Along with a change in gun laws.
@@kittyroars8758 Whatcha takling about? We have 100s of gun laws in everystate. Criminals don't seem to follow the law, last time I checked. I live in California where we have the most gun laws in the entire country, none of them seem to be working either. They will not take guns away from citizens. But it is agreed we need to find a soultion of keeping firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill and drug addicted.
@@kittyroars8758
You want to make laws against hands and feet too? They kill more people.
It’s against the law to murder. Just in case you didn’t know that. You don’t seem to know that. There are actual laws against murder. So why haven’t these laws stopped murder?
So the older boyfriend actually helped solve her murder. It’s actually amazing that the cops didn’t zone in on him and miss the mother all together. Most police would blame the husband or boyfriend with or without evidence. I have seen it many times when the police are too arrogant to see past what they think happened.
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People are letting the sister off waaaaaaay too easy. Anyone who can take part in the coverup of a murder and desecration of a corpse, of your own sister no less, is capable of -anything-. To any dude or lady looking to shack up with that, well, hope they know what she's capable of.
they let her off easy cause she was a smoking hot blonde
The sister was probably afraid that if she didn't continue to be mummys star of a child, that she would be the next victim
Should have just called the cops
There are too many stong points that could be made on why she helped and kept quite. You can also tell how guilty she feels, her emotions seem real and she couldn't lie without seeming guilty. Shes going to have to live with that burden the rest of her life and it wont be easy for someone like her. The mother on the other hand, is a sick narcassistic woman. She probaby mentally abused those girls everyday. The jury probably thinks that the mother was always the issue, thinking that the mother had some sort of mental control of her family. Just my toughts without any facts, other than this video
I kinda felt sorry for the sister until in one of her police interviews she said her sister was a BURDEN...after she helped her mother desecrate Rachelle's body by making it look like a sex crime.....I thought she was repulsive after that
Can't believe Janet qualifies for parole after only 19 years for killing Shelly. Absolutely tragic. Well done Mike!
19 years is plenty. peak years gone
Female privilege
Patriarchy doing its job wrong
@@paulwoodford1984 still not enough, Shelly doesn't get to live the rest of her live, why should Janet regain hers after 19 years?
@@paulwoodford1984 Seriously. The US has a fascination with sending people to prison, not to rehab them but to essentially torture them. A lot of crimes do not deserve a life sentence, yes even some murders. I think people forget how long 19 years is...
I hope young Cole is being raised in a stable, loving home. What a disaster this family is. And, that phone call to Hannah? Umm, it sounded like Mommy was telling Hannah "the story," and what to say to the cops. Something is still amiss. Likely, Hannah helped kill sis. Disgusting people - and again, I sure hope Cole can grow up surrounded by stability and love/
The so called mother, continued to destroy her daughters character after she brutally murdered her, and humiliated her with the vile s*xual abuse of her poor daughter.
The amount of killers who claim they were victimised, and were terrorised but suffered in silence. 🙄 That's because it was all in their head, total 💩.
There are probably many cases, where the victim was not the nicest of people, and some people back up the killers claims that the victim was nasty, cruel, etc, but it's hearsay, and rumours, because no one gets on with everyone.
This horrible excuse for a mother, not only killed her child but, set out to humiliate her in death too. The hatred and horrible dark feelings she harboured for her child, her daughter, is hard to understand. I am a parent, and a grandparent, my son was brutally murdered and that broke me. All of the protective nurturing feelings, the helplessness, the questions. I can't imagine inflicting pain on my child, then being responsible for taking their life. Its a parents job to protect, we may not always be there physically to ease their pain, but to be the one who causes their pain and ending your child's life, is just cold blooded, soulless evil.
I’m so sorry your son was stolen from you in such a horrific manner 😞. Not all mothers deserve their children, like the one in this video. It is very triggering indeed.
The mothers “I’m sorry to everyone “ apology was hollow and empty. Imagine the stories the living daughter could share about their upbringing.
So.. If mom hadn't called the Police after seeing the photo of her daughter on TV, she would have gotten away with murder??
She told on herself.... The Police had no leads.... Didn't know who the dead woman even was... Amazing..
The mother directly after confessing calls her daughter with her alibi. That's what I heard.
@@yanifree114 Wooooooow, I think you are correct! And nobody else seems to have noticed!!
pretty much my thoughts too, she didn't single out her daughter she murdered for that apology so she really has no remorse about it. she also would have let an innocent man take the blame.
@@auntiepha8343 to be fair, she only called after the body was found and she only confessed after they found out the truth. She was trying to get away with it.
"What evidence do you have to share with me?"
Lady, the cops aren't required to share anything. If you want to see the evidence, keep quiet and ask for a lawyer. The lawyer will get that evidence during discovery.
But whatever, glad she got caught.
If the cops had enough evidence to arrest, they'd already arrest. They play these games exactly because they need a confession.
@@snex000 I'm glad she confessed.
This case disgusted me so much. I just don't understand how a mother could kill her own child, for any reason!! I would do anything for my children, I would die for them. I will never understand monsters like her. RIP Rachele
Shocking that the police actually listened to the husband and investigated the mother.
My 26yr old daughter died in February.
I would trade my life, for her to come back and realize her dreams and all of the "first's" that will now, never be.
Janet has the humanity of a rodent, that just ate it's babies.
I'm so sorry for your loss 💔
I'm so sorry you lost your beautiful baby
I’m so sorry for your loss. You have restored my faith in real motherly love. I know nothing can completely heal the loss you have suffered but I’m praying for peace over your family.
I'm so sorry, Kristy.
My condolences for your loss Kristy, I'm with you,after losing a son & a daughter ...there is no price too great to pay for just one more day! God bless you & comfort your being.🌹
Wow, this was a real “who done it?” case. Was it the drunken baby daddy? Or was it the cruel greedy grandmother? Or was it the “perfect” overachieving sister? When the mystery was finally solved, there was nothing but heartbreak and sadness, especially for the little boy, who no longer has a mommy to raise him and has to live knowing that his own grandmother killed her 😢
But was the mystery really solved?
I’d say Hannah is the culprit.
Come on man. Tearing me up. I got a little daughter. I'm going to hug her..
Whats the name of this case ?
@@bulma463
The Twisting Tyburski Family Affair?
Holy shit!! How a mother confessed to killing her own child with NO EMOTION…. Baffles me! I’m surprised she even called in to identify her daughter!
She probably needed the body to claim the life insurance.
I believe the mother is confessing for her daughter who actually got into an argument and killed her own sister.
I can’t help wondering what happened to the little boy. I hope he was adopted by loving and stable parents, and that his father - who cheerfully admitted to being drunk all the time - wasn’t given custody of him.
Or hopefully out of this tragic mess. He straightened up for his kid
I guess he has one aunt who wasn't involved in all this...?
@@2rific_2 I agree with you, he clearly wasn’t a total villain but I still don’t think a known alcoholic should have sole custody of a small child, especially when his start in life was so traumatic.
With any luck, his other grandparents are legit. Hopefully his dad sees his son needs him and gets some help.
Agreed. What happened with the son that she so desperately needed to save ? She had no thoughts of him going to a blackout drunk dad ? I hope he has a beautiful life.
I knew that guy was telling the truth, there's something about his voice. Great story, you made the plot shine well.
His voice ? Lmao
I agree. He seems like an honest dude
truly the voice of an angel...
@@mantecastotch4260 Not his singing voice. 🤣🤣
@@anusbranus4893 NOT his singing the voice, the way he talks. You can tell he wasn't lying about the things she told him and the way he didn't want to say it and knew the mother would come out herself gave me goosebumps.
You wouldn't believe how many innocent guys in jail over this same type of situation and I'm glad those cops decided to investigate further instead of picking him out.
The things she said, when she called Hannah, kinda sound to me, like she was letting her know what she had confessed, so that Hannah knew what to say to corroborate her story.
I'm my opinion, it sounds almost like mom is covering up for Hannah. I believe she may have had more to do with it then just helping move the body.
I’m going to make sure my Mom knows how much I love her. She is such a great woman and Mother.
"it's something I have to live with and I'm so sorry to everybody"
No greater lie was told that day. Hope she gets what she deserves
Agreed. Janet didn't have a problem smothering her daughter and then going to bed like nothing happened. No conscience, no remorse. What a bitch. I hope she does not get paroled in 19 years and they keep her locked up. Mother of the year. (eyeroll)
You hit the nail right on the head, Sean. I'm glad you came 12 years into the future to share that with us. Thank you.
As someone who grew up with a severely mentally ill sister with bipolar disorder, hearing this story hits close to home. Yeah she scared me and even threatened my mom sometimes during her episodes but my mom never gave up. I even asked my mom to call the police one time and my mom refused. Thankfully my sister is now on the correct medications and able to live her life instead of being controlled by her illness. The mother in this case is a abusive coward I hope she doesn’t qualify for parole.
Maybe having a small child to protect came into play?
It's very common for abusers to destroy the character and reputation of the victims under their control as a means to discredit them and prevent them from successfully being protected by the public. I am more inclined the offenders were the ones suffering from real mental illness
i love the perpetrator of a crime demanding to see the evidence of their own crime as if that’s how it works
Watching all these episodes I'm soooooo grateful I have/ had wonderful loving parents, a safe childhood, good education and unconditional support. I will never ever complain or grumble if my mom gripes at me about anything.
Imagine giving a plea deal with no jail time to someone who willingly helped a murderer dispose of their victim 😂 What an amazing justice system we have here in the good ole US of A
not only dispose of her big sister's body but stage it like they did. Who tied up her wrists, pulled off her pants, pulled up her shirt? How much planning did they do to think of what to do to the body?
If they didn’t give her a plea deal she probably could have beat that case tbh
@@hydrated9291 And probably rightly so? The mother manipulated her. I mean granted I probably still wouldn't move my own sister's body for my mom but then that's a very different family... She probably should have served at least a short sentence tho...
@@kymo6343 so what are you complaining about lol
Young, white, college girl, possibly traumatized by the whole thing? Prosecutors are lucky she didn't go to trial and say she was scared her mom would kill her next.
poor shelly, she never stood a chance. everyone treated her like she was a burden & unwanted. i hope she had moments in her life where she felt as loved & as valued as she should have been. she was failed the moment her mother refused to do anything about her father molesting her. you could tell she was, as her pos boyfriend said, childlike in her mind.
Exactly. When the best you can get is a failed musician who dives deep into blackouts--but at least sees the truth--the cracks you're falling through are wide indeed.
she did, her son .....and they tried to take that too! let that marinate.
Um, her pos is way better then her own flesh and blood. That man has done nothing to her. Her own damn mother killed her her iwn "FLESH and BLOOD" have you thought of what kind of a mother she is??? SMH
@AnEagleInYourMind And that's why her long-suffering mother took out life insurance on her "crazy and unstable" daughter? OK,
@ AnEagleInYourMind….exactly! I’m not condoning her murder, but the Mom and sister didn’t exactly seem broken hearted over Shelley’s death. Again…. I’m not excusing their actions, but Shelley sounded like she was a handful and insufferable.
poor girl that her awful abusive creepy boyfriend was the most positive influence in her life and the one who actually helped the police figure out what happened
"She moved in with a divorced musician named Tommy... That's 4 red flags right there." 🤣🤣🤣
I dont know man. When the mom informed her daughter that "I just confessed to the murder, they feel like you were an accessory after the fact. I'm sorry for involving you with "moving the body". Felt as though the mom was telling her daughter hey here is what I told them. Don't implicate yourself.
SAME
Well I guess we can say she loved one of her kids
Was about to comment the same, have feeling the mom fell on the sword for hanna
Yes!!
Ohhhh very good catch. I didn't even notice that at first.
Rest in peace Shelly. I'm not exactly "right in the head" either and my family has not been the kindest to me. I'd hate to imagine that the people closest to me who were supposed to love me regardless of my mental state would kill me over it. A lot of time I feel discarded like trash, and I hate to see it literally happen to someone who was struggling with their own mind like I do everyday. Trapped in this place and hated by everyone I love, or feeling that way.
same here. this story hit me hard. i often feel like a burden to my family bc of my mental illnesses, too. i don’t know you but you’re not alone in the way you feel. rochelle deserved better & she mattered. so do we.
Me too, we are not alone,but it sure feels like it.
What stuck me was the fact that they didn't seem to even try to help her with her mental health problems. There is help out there, but the mother decided to kill her instead of helping her. What an absolute cunt of a woman. My ma doesn't understand my mental health issues, at all, bless her, but she is always there for me. Much easier for me than you guys though. I'm not American, so I get free medication and therapy provided. What a heartbreaking story. Wonder what happened to the wee boy.
I'm so very sorry 😢 Sending you much love and many hugs 💕💝
Well, I love you!💛 I don't know you but I love you as a person anyways. And there's always someone someplace that you mean the world to. And would be crushed without you. Always remember that. You don't need your family to love you either, love yourself, cuz you are awsome!
The ‘life insurance’ dance is gold!!! 😂😂😂 24:48
The singing clips are so perfectly edited in 💀😂
I went to high-school with Rachel, she was always pretty nice. She sometimes hung out with people in my friend group.
And I live in north ridgeville now with my husband as an adult. Rest in peace
Do you know what happened to her son? I hope he was placed somewhere safe.
Yes is her son ok?
How can someone do that to another human being let alone your child that you carried for 9 months and took care of all these years… sickening. Great video, done with so much respect ✊🏾
She was a 💩 mom from the start ignoring sv to a child and then blaming that child for being messed up from her child hood. Makes me angry she involved another child and screwing that child up also. Sick woman should have gotten life period.
@@lyndawadsworth8572 I had a bad mother as my sole parent. She manipulated the small family we had to believe her lies. She still is a narcissist sociopath. But I put distance between us because I need to. She tried to end me too many times. Mental illness aside, I will never accept that a young woman should have children right away. There r far too many hormonal changes to enjoy being newly married, or not, and not enough living a social life. Those years r special and even dating can ruin a positive trajectory. Many young mothers experience lack of self awareness and self love. Those r healthy and necessary. I know some young and well adjusted women, but not alot. Wait. Don't have a child just to have someone who loves u. Love yourself first.
She was bipolar. Meaning dangerous and unstable. Constantly disruptive. If you cant imagine it, your family can.
@@faszikilawang8445 I was diagnosed over two decades ago. I am a non-violent person by nature. I feel anger and inner rage. I can see how a person that has been triggered would let it build to the next level. It's very easy. There is medication, and a classic BP trick, aka the Kanye, is to not take ur meds. To add alcohol or drugs. But mentally ill people that were raised on chaos don't have the tools to deal. Rage and physical violence is very common. I am borderline because of my abuse. I can't cope with the simplest tasks because I have such a deep hatred for myself, and my failings. Not all of us hurt others, from my experience, we hurt ourselves more than anything. Having a relationship with God helps, meds help, people who aren't toxic or being out the worst in u, help. Time management, planning meals, times u leave for work, outfits, setting timers, no extreme temperatures. Try to sleep and rest. I don't like quiet time, I like Ol Mike here, but I like alone time. No spouses, kids, or pets. Get ur inner self chilled out. Don't have too much caffeine. Take the roads without bad traffic. It doesn't make the thoughts go away, but it makes them less loud and less escalated. We're among the population. U don't know who we r. We look and act appropriately. The ones that roadrage r tools of a different kind. Not humble. Not trying to be well for others if not for themselves.
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The daughter did it. She called her daughter to pretty much tell her the script she needed to follow.
We are here to stay Mike. The humor is the best part.
The psycotic mother would have totally played the black sheep/golden child game... younger sister would have been tuned against Shelley for years without realising. Just the way she accepted the death of her sister was chilling... Not to mention the bare fact mum called her to help. It's truly stomach turning. I am curious to know her thoughts now.
The most important person I hope for is Col. I truly hope that he is growing up somewhere healthy and happy far away from those characters.
Yeah that mom was manipulative af, I wouldn't be surprised if her daughter hates her now...
A person with severe mental health and behavioral issues doesn't need help turning people against them. But the solution is not murder
@@Matt-lp1xp g
@@Matt-lp1xp Unfortunately, mental illness is a factor that most people will turn away from but it's highly likely that if any healthy mind is subjected to toxic situations, forms of abuse and shame with out any support or means of escape, their mental health will suffer
If you love your favourite child you don't call them to help you with such a terrible crime
Rip to Rochelle. Seems like basically no one in her life had her best interest and that’s sad. If she was really having a mental breakdown like that she could have called to have her Baker acted (I can’t spell it) smh
5150 in the US
You spelled it correctly Sis
So true!!!
@@Treebeardicus The Baker Act is also a US thing.
It’s the Baker Act in Florida and 5150 in California, just different names for the same law. Alabama doesn’t have that law so you have to go to court.
"I'm sorry for involving you, in moving the body." Lol wow. She knew she was taking her daughter down with her. Messed up family.
Wow! We all laughed at the boyfriend, but he was right from jump street! Thanks again Mike, always a wild trip giving it a goo!
The family felt Shelley was chaotic and out of control, but they MURDERED her and dumped her body! People are so twisted.
Yet the chaotic burden wasn't the one who murdered someone, or helped anyone cover up a murder either. Seems like Shelley was the diamond in that messed up family.
I come from a family that is controlled by a narcissist mother. I have gone no contact with the lot of them, but I can verify that if you are the designated scapegoat, the family will put every single bit of blame on you for everything. They push and push and push and claim you’re unstable when you finally snap back, say you’re controlling when you set boundaries, and will claim that they have to walk on eggshells around you because you’re too sensitive (despite the reason you are sensitive being their constant criticism and blame). Everything is your fault and you will never do anything right. This kind of abuse isn’t always evident from the outside looking in, especially when there is a golden child to be compared to.
I can guarantee that was the situation here, and malignant narcissists WILL be violent and even murderous when they perceive they are being challenged on any little thing. I witnessed and was on the receiving end of my own mother’s violent temper.
She was already getting her defense together by calling it a “crime of passion”. Which shows she was already thinking about how to get away with the least amount of consequences.
I think the cop in the interview instructed her on that defense in an attempt to get her to feel less inhibited about confessing.
Clearly they didn’t believe her because they don’t give a life sentence for a crime of passion. That would be manslaughter in the second degree.
It amazes me how much americans know their 'rights' and technicalities when it comes to commiting a crime, and the disconnect from any sort of guilt or remorse in doing them. They honestly believe there's no other way than killing your own family?
Every child deserves a loving parent
But not every parent deserves their child... heart-wrenching to even say that but it's true
So basically, Shelly was the only person in the house that was actually diagnosed with a disorder. Got it! 🤦🏾♀️
That's exactly what I was thinking!
Yes unfortunately the whole family was messed up. Wonder if it was that way before the dad died, or if that pushed everyone over the edge
Jasmine, you nailed it!
ha! she wasn't bipolar probably, she was raised by two sociopaths!!
I was thinking the same thing. It seems like Janet gaslit her so she looked like the crazy one.
Every time a murderer stands up in court, before sentencing, and says “it’s something I’ll have to live with”, I just want to wack ‘em with a selfish stick.
Hey, at least you’ll get to live! It’s more than your victim gets.
And they all have no problem killing their victims yet they themselves never want the death penalty. Cowards.
I can't help but laugh with selfish stick 🤣🤣
Thank You! Right?!
Here’s her perfume, her deodorant, and her stuffed animal from childhood. Keep that stuff and smell it everyday. Your daughter won’t have the luxury of life, in or out of prison.
Ikr, they get to live
The mom having a Bobbie Dooley moment in the police interview "Mmhmm,mmhumm,mmhmm,mmhmm,mmhmm,mmhmm." Comedy gold.
You're under arrest. The timing on that "leave for the humor" slayed me. 😂
The mom made no attempt to protect the sister. She seemed almost happy to implicate her. Thanks for another great video, Mike.
Edit: Thanks for all the replies! I do think it’s possible the mom was giving the sister an out. However, it seems like the mom would have needed to tell the sister what she was doing before the damning phone call.
Otherwise, I think the sister might have freaked out that mom was implicating her. So when would they have had this conversation to make the details of the crime match between them? All calls from jail to the outside are recorded. Visitation calls are recorded.
Just food for thought. Thanks again.
A narcisitic mother
I almost got the feeling during the phone call to her with the police there, she was telling her the story she should go with "I'm telling them everything. They think you're an accessory after the fact. I'm sorry I got you involved with moving the body".
The police would have realized, probably, if she was more involved than that, but it sounded like she was giving her an out from say, accomplice?
@@Spthomas47 I feel like your right. She was her golden child who her mother knew she could manipulate into hurting her own sister (a flying monkey)…I feel like she had more of a hand in murdering Shelly than just moving the body. And she was more distraught in her interviews than the mom was…Shelly was the family’s scapegoat so naturally all her siblings could’ve been turned against her by their narcissistic mother.
@@bubblywaters663 That's what I thought, too. That she is a narcissistic mother who had a scapegoat child and a golden child.
@@mini_skinny0296 the daughter deserved more jail time I don’t care if the cops believed all she did was move the body. She wasn’t this defenseless child she was 19 years old she was perfectly capable of calling the police!! If not for her sister than for her nephew!! 💔
I can't believe that the other daughter just got a misdemeanor and a fine for hiding the body that's crazy.
well because she was a tall smoking hot blonde
@@RustyX2010 You're gross. It was bc her manipulative af mom twisted her mind like spaghetti around a fork. She still shoulda gotten a short sentence for what she did but mom is mostly to blame.
Money and skin color. That’s a real thing when it comes to the judicial system and that’s coming from a southern white man.
Been in more trouble for a lesser crime (traffic violation)
Because Janet took a plea deal for that to happen.. don’t understand why the prosecution accepted that plea deal though? She confessed?
When Tommy said she had the emotional maturity of a 14 to 15 year old, I felt sick.
How could he have a sexual relationship with her, knowing that?!!!
Wrenching, stunningly sad. Shelly clearly not well, and oh for the commitment needed to ensure the likes of a Shelly are well looked after. RIP Shelly.
Imagine growing up and finding out your grandma killed your mother 😔 poor baby
And that your aunt helped in the cover up of your mothers murder. His mother didn’t even receive proper justice. Less than 20 years in jail for her murder and his aunt and mom will be free to walk the streets while he’ll never see his mom again💔
@@bubblywaters663 Do you really think that fat old woman is going to make it another twenty years?
@@bubblywaters663 thats only if she gets parole. i imagine a daughter killer will have a hard time making parole right away.
@@zipzip8239 this justice system has let crazier things happen sadly. I hope her daughter doesn’t speak on her behalf to the parole board…
@@bubblywaters663 oh i know, just saying its more likely she wont get out that soon. who knows though.
I relate to this story.. constantly running away, coming back just to leave again. My mother always protected my abusive sister over me finally i found peace and im building my own cabin to get away from my ‘family’ breaks my heart that people would go to this level 😢
So proud of you for creating your own destiny and not just giving into the fate of family. You’re finding and building your own and that says a lot about your mental fortitude. Congrats on the cabin. 👏 Keep nurturing your peace and well being.
@@shilde thank you!!! just saw it in person for the first time yesterday very very proud and determined. I hope anyone reading this also gets the strength to create their own destiny
Awesome, good for you for grabbing the bull by the horns and finding a viable solution. I'm sure you will notice a positive change in your mental health!
Good luck with the cabin building and everything else too!
Not sure if your finances will allow it, but it would be pretty cool to have the cabin solar powered and stuff so you could go completely off the grid! But maybe that's just important to me cause I'm such a loner ha.🤔 But either way, reading up on homesteading will definitely help you out IMO.
All the best to you!! 😁
Grow up! Its called " boundaries" in adult language 😆 I choose not to speak to my mother due to poisonous virtue.'Attention seeking' is running away to build ur own cabin in la la land 😆 ' grown up" simply block 📱# and refrain from conversation.
@@listentocrows Are u f.kidding me?? " run away and build her own cabin" us she 10 yrs old?! 😆 I choose no contact with mother simply by blocking 📱 , setting boundaries and 0 contact( as adults do)
“It was a crime of passion,” she said in a totally unemotional voice. 😳
7:05 this is already a heartbreaking tale and we're not even close to halfway through.. thank you for bringing these cases to light.. glad I found your channel today
Wow- didn’t expect that confession- the cop’s tactics were not exactly brilliant. Thank you Mike!❤️
Yeah I'd say their good cop bad cop needs a little work.
You say that like they still didn't get a confession
If they had enough evidence to arrest, they wouldn't play these games. Always keep your yap shut!
I think sister did it and mom tried to cover it up. When she realized they actually had something she took the fall
@@snex000 Or, ya know, figure out a more constructive way of dealing with problems then murdering someone to death, but you do you.
The way the mom talked to Hannah on the phone made it seem like she was just trying to convey information to her, so they could get their “stories” straight. It seems like Hannah may be the one who actually murdered her, or helped.
I think so too.
You're right, that one-sided conversation was absolutely chock-full of leading statements to convey a story. If it's so obvious to us, I have to believe LE heard it too and were just unable to prove as much. I guess they were happy with the confession that led to conviction, and anything beyond that was deemed pointless. It's scary to think about.
I think that as well. She either knew Hannah had killed her sister, or they had killed her together, and she decided to take the fall for it. The phone call was so that she would know the story and to make sure she didn’t confess herself.
I was scrolling through the comments for someone else thinking this as it was what I thought, also.
No, I think the Mom is that manipulative. She knew exactly what she was doing
The phone call from the mom the Hannah seemed suspicious to me. She worded things like "I'm sorry for involving you with moving the body"... very specific. If Hannah only helped moving the body.. one task.. then just saying "sorry for getting you involved" should've sufficed. I feel like Hannah did a lot more or was more involved and the mom took the full blame for her or something. Like that phone call was coded to let Hannah know she was going to get off the hook...
" You come for the crime, you stay for the geography, you leave ... for the humor " lol
Come for the crime, stay for the geography, leave for the humor. Most perfect line ever. My lizard brain understood this joke only after 10s delay.
All the comments are (rightfully) wondering about what happened to the son, but I didn't see a single one about the youngest daughter (who is also called Paige in some articles?). That poor girl lost her entire family, I feel so bad for her.
Also Tommy may have died in 2018 (I saw conflicting reports on whether or not he's actually dead), so if that's true their son has lost both parents relatively close together. This is just a heartbreaking story all around.
Wow that kniving mother even saying over the phone about Hannah specifically helping her move the body - should have taken full responsibility. Misery loves company. Ruined that whole family. Mother's are supposed to be loving and nurturing 🤬
Janet propping her arms on her shelf of a stomach. What a sick eff
lol