"The Greatest Rescue - 11th Airborne's Epic Raid on Los Baños" | Kip Reacts to The Fat Electrician
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- Fellow Legends, welcome! Today we have another epic Fat Electrician history video for you all today. The Pacific Theater is one that receives much less attention than the European Theater, and this was an event that was definitely overshadowed by other happening around the same time. Let's sit back and watch The Fat Electrician tell us about the 11th Airborne Division and their epic rescue of the civilian prisoners of Los Baños. I do absolutely recommend that you go and check out The Fat Electrician and his other channel The Fat Files, and I do also recommend that you go and check out the original video to show some support for the source material!
Original Channel: The Fat Electrician
Original Channel Link: / @the_fat_electrician
Original Video: The Greatest Rescue - 11th Airborne Division's Epic Raid on Los Baños
Original Video Link: • The Greatest Rescue - ...
Second Channel: The Fat Files
Second Channel Link: / @thefatfiles
Books On The Subject:
- Rescue at Los Baños: The Most Daring Prison Camp Raid of World War II by: Bruce Henderson
- When Angels Fall: From Toccoa to Tokyo by: Jeremy C. Holm
-Down From Heaven Volume 1&2 by: Jeremy C. Holm
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As a combat veteran, I can see how that man was haunted by the thought of hurting and scaring a baby. we shut off a lot of things in combat to make it through it, but no matter what, seeing a hurt child will always make it through, and you will feel it so many ways
Have they fixed that? Do y'all at least have shoots you can steer?
i fully understand that sentiment. living through a lifetime supply of SHIT before turning 30, facing death and pain is hard. but hearing a baby cry because YOU hurt it? thats different. and not only true for soldiers but for civil services as well. being tasked with protecting and caring for people can be challenging, but having children involved hits a different spot in everyone. i work in healthcare and i dont mind caring for children. but many collegues have problems with that. BTW even if im from germany i wanted to say this: Thank you for your service O7
@raikbarczynski6582 Healthcare is a great and challenging profession and doesn't get the thanks it should. Thank you for your kind words, Germany is one of the countries where I want to go back and visit again as a civilian, not as a soldier, so I can really take in everything
You have to understand, Airborne was a new concept. The only major German paratrooper operation was a colossal fuckup. Airborne operations in Africa and Sicily were not good. Even D-Day was a clusterfuck, because no one hit their assigned drop zones.
Eisenhower didn’t what to get rid of airborne as a whole, just division sized units. Instead he wanted them in regiment or battalion sized units.
I THINK the Brits mostly landed where they were aiming or at the very least were more accurate then what the Americans managed.
I mean even today airborne have a very very niche use, and the most recent airborne deployment was the VDV in Ukraine and we know how that ended.
@@KaoretheHalfDemon brits use gliders the main issue with the americans is that they were dealing with high winds and parachutes were not design to be guided unlike a glider
Major Dick Winters: "Oh, our drop zone is wrong?"
"Good."
"The Stole the WHOLE horse?" You say that like you can steal part of a horse
Meat
Go watch “The Godfather “ you’ll have a part of a horse ❤
A christmas present i got was 1/8th of a still alive goat.
@@duckgoesquack4514 The fuck do you mean you got 1/8 of a goat?
@@SuperBossGiovanni maybe bbq goat leg 👨🏽🍳
The Prisoners packing there bags, the 11th Airborne Division channeling Captain Price: COME ON WE ARE LEAVING
25:22 The biggest advantage of gliders was that they GUARANTEED that the men landed in one place, with all their equipment. Yeah, they could only land in open fields, but in Normandy, those were everywhere.
Are you talking about Mad Jack correct
The guy who went into battle with a Scottish Broadsword, Longbow and Bagpipes was Maj. General John Earl Fleming Thorpe Churchill, aka "Mad Jack" Dude was a monster on the level of Adrian Carton de Wiart- the Unkillable Soldier. Both are great to read up on.
If The Fat Electrician does a video on him I hope he would say he literally got midlevel on the bad guys.
Think Adrian got shot in the face and was just annoyed about it.
@@KaoretheHalfDemon Adrian got shot twice in the same eye and had a sniper shoot through the back of his skull, among numerous other injuries, and lived with only an eyepatch and a tickle from the barber to show for it.
Mad Jack remains the last man to kill an enemy with a bow and arrow, which he did at Dunkirk.
Sir Adrian is quite literally the living embodiment of "I didn't hear no bell"
I love how one of the prisoners said that god would need to send in the angels to save them and then The Angels, named for a completely different and unrelated reason, came and saved them
Reality is more crazy than fiction man, it’s so insanely lucky that very same crew that got name in very unrelated situations managed to be the very same division that would rescue people who specifically made that prayer of angels coming to save them. It’s just amazing
That's a "God has a sense of humor" moment.
God has a pretty good sense of humor
@@TheAsylumCatoh definitely
Remember one of the most known angels is archangel Michael who is known for spreading divine justice through force
People forget that rules mean nothing if you dont have the force to enforce them and if you do not enforce said rules then the rules are just letters on a piece of paper
This.
When I was in middle school and high school I used to read all the time. After high school I stopped reading and started watching CZcams all the time and my attention span just went to shit. Watching The Fat Electrician is singlehandedly restoring my attention span to what it once was.
No joke the original video, when I first saw it it made me both appalled disgusted and it made me cry seeing the evils that people can do to one another.
But what ultimately broke me was that last ending bit with the soldier having closure after 40 some odd years
Honestly, same. I felt for that guy.
The comments section in the original video is full of people saying that ending bit is what got the waterworks going. And honestly, _same._
Even this reaction got me watery eyed.
In one of his twitter blurbs for the podcast he co-hosts, he mentions that he gets messages from middle and high school kids asking for help with references for reports they are doing on subjects he covers. One message was from a parent that said her child had no interest in history at all but now it is their best subject. Making history cool and interesting again is the mission.
One of his best videos yet! This and "old 666" made me tear up.. Notice the Gold play button shows up half way.
22:44 At a certain point, the officers probably just started finding it funny.
"Alright, first order of business today. Lieutenant, how many of our "little angels" got locked up last night?"
"Fifty-six, sir."
"I see. Well, last week was seventy-two, so I'm happy."
"There's a lot of open Amazon packages" omg I'm dead 😂😂😂 also this is the most emotional I've seen TFE or close to it i mean well done to you both
You see a guy charging at you with a claymore while screaming like a banshee, the next thought that runs through your head is "May god have mercy upon my wretched soul, because that man surely will not."
I have not been able to find what happened to Sadaki’s commanding officer, the guy who was actually in charge. But I do know that IF he survived he was likely executed as well because he knew damn well what Sadaki was doing, had the power to stop it, and did absolutely nothing. The man was just as guilty of what happened at Los Banos as Sadaki due to inaction.
Side note. One of the prisoners rescued was named Frank Buckles who would become the last surviving veteran of WW1
50:17 most convinctions at nuremburg werent for war crimes. they were for "crimes against humanity". a complete new catagory invented specially for germany.
The Filipino guerillas are not known much outside of their home country. They were harassing the Japanese all day, every day, since they had walked in. A lot of their supplies came in via submarine. There's an excellent book called "Guerilla Submarines" by Edward Dissette and H.C. Adamson that covers the sub actions that kept the fighters supplied and in communication.
The guy that you were taking about that went into WWII with a claymore I believe actually went in with a claymore, a bow and arrows, and a set of bagpipes
Yup! Thats how I remember it at least
Mad jack Churchill
11th airborne got stood back up relatively recently, they are now the "Arctic Angels" based in Alaska.
Never more perfect example for "all that's needed for evil to flourish is for good men to do NOTHING"
the whole guerilla thing was so successful they created an entire special operations unit trained specifically to do it
31:13 This is exactly why in Warhammer 40k, the best Primarch is Guilliman. He understands the importance of logistics and all those unsung roles better than anyone.
Odd way of spelling Leman Russ
@@Sturm01 Leman Russ, Lion el Johnson.
i get it, you mixed up the dog with the lion.
We need angels to help us.
Astartes drop pods start hitting the ground
Gotta love that the editor changed the color of the duck animation for the add
One of the other reasons gliders are rarely shown is due to the fact that they were extremely dangerous.
The carbine in question is the M1 carbine, one of the best guns ever. My dad and I both have one and I recomend you get one too. Its chambers in 30. Carbine and is basically the first semiauto pistol caliber carbine. If anybody knows of an earlier semiauto PCC please let me know,
If you don't want to track down a military surplus M1 Carbine Chiappa makes a 9mm version that accepts beretta 92 mags.
The way I see it, about Capital Punishment, is that we aren't judging them; we're merely moving up their court date with the Almighty.
Hunters ROTC. Man remember being there. Lets just say the traditions still holds. The best quotes are "Blood for blood, a head for a head"
That story of Russo-Japanese war is that Russia was building a warm water port in Vladivostok and Japan was already getting power hungry ideas and launched a surprise attack, sinking the Russian Navy station there. And when the Russians sent the rest of their Navy from the Baltic sea, they were also destroyed by the Japanese. That is the very oversimplified version of the war I'm sure that there is more but I think that is the one that you were thinking of. And it was this idea that their small nation can take on a power as big as Russia that got them thinking that they could do it again against the US 30 years later
“Did the Japanese have subs?” Oh boi, not only did they have quite a bit of subs, they had both some of the smallest subs (midget subs), and the largest class of submarines in WWII (the I-400 Sentoku class carrier subs).
Correct, their front line subs the Kaidai III class was arguably one of the best of the entire war. Luckily for us their doctrine they had to follow did not play to their strengths
Didn't the Japanese had a prototype submarine that could double down as a mini single-aircraft carrier?
38:00, Kip goes "Oh no...", mean while I am going "Oh YES!" & breaking out the 🍿 & 🥤! This bout to get AWESOME!
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Yes the Japanese had subs in ww2 it was a Japanese sub that sank the uss Indianapolis. If you are not familiar with that story i would suggest looking into it, what those guys went through was terrible.
Yeah, and if I'm not mistaken wasn't some of the crew from the Indianapolis actually eaten by sharks
@@ClancyWoodard-yw6tg about 150 crew members were killed by sharks.
52:00 as we all learned in Skyrim, they cant report the war crimes if there's no one left to report the war crimes
Paratroopers are the inspiration for the Drop Jet platoons which were the inspiration for the ODSTs in Halo lore
"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, yet those who do are doomed to watch others repeat history."
If you wear a button up shirt, a pair of jeans, hold a clipboard, wear a hardhat and have some kind of badge on you, Whether said badge is real or not, you can get into almost any facility in the country just by claiming your maintenance and doing it with confidence
You forgot the Hi-vis jacket.
The airborn take i get because it was the same take they had on tanks after ww1. It was new still more or less untested. Tanks became proven after germany showed off what mobile armor groups could do and be instead of the way they were used ww1.
as shown in the hobart episode ... he LITERALY wrote the book that germany folowed for the blitz
yet british military hierachy wanted him out
Japan did indeed have submarines in WW2, but their philosophy on how to use them was different from Germany. The Japanese's naval strategy was in large part based around the naval campaign of the 1904 Russo-Japanese war, where they slowly whittled down the Russian navy while their main fleet avoided combat until it was time for an all-out decisive victory that crushed the enemy's forces. (They tried several times to lure the Americans into one of these decisive battles, but everytime the Americans went "F-you, carrier strike!")
When presented with the choise to go after a cargo convoy or a military one, Japanese sub commanders would often pick the latter (opposite of what the Germans tended to do), with mixed results. Second, the Japanese had a somewhat romanticized view of their surface fleet, and tended to use their subs in a more coup de gras role. Finally, the Americans managed to break Japan's naval codes pretty early on and were (for the most part) able to avoid submarine patrols.
So while the Japanese submarine fleet were a bit of a promlem, it was not to the same degree as the Kreigsmarine in the Atlantic, and so that theatre ends up getting more attention.
Kip, it was a Scottish broadsword.You're talking about mad, Jack I know who you're talking about.
It was also using a long bow.😊
18:58 I completely agree with Eisenhower. The whole point of Airborne units is speed and surprise. They have to be flexible, so having large units of them makes no sense.
This entire story was about proving him wrong lmao. That was General Swing's whole point.
And clearly it worked, because these divisions still existed in time for Normandy and other operations.
I'm glad you take a week or so with letting the other person's video sit, because it lets me watch it first and early then the time passes so it's somewhat fresh again and I can watch you now and not feel like I'm watching a CZcams short over and over
I think the general that disfavored airborne divisions was responding to what happened in Normandy where the drops were badly mismanaged and men ended up scattered everywhere without supplies and nowhere near their mission targets
If you want to get to heaven, you got to raise a little hell.
Honestly, more and more this seems to be true. My buddy works Asset Protection, and the stuff he has to deal with is unreal.
That chap with a sword was called Fighting Jack Churchill, he did not have a Claymorem but a a basket-hilted Scottish broadsword because he was heard to say "that proper officer should have a sword". He is know to take a German MG nest with said sword.
That is not all he joined Commandos, cause "it sounded cool", he was Olympic level archer and according to one story he was having his Bow on him and one day actually managed to a kill a german soldier with it when it was more on hand than his gun. Dude was just next level.
He was captured by Germans alas, but according to one story he found the POW camp "boring" so he ran away, they caught him, and put him in the different POW camp, so he escaped from that one too. Alas once he linked up with allies the war was pretty much over and his another quoye I remember was "Those damn yanks, if they did not join the war we could have fun for much longer."
Chap was just build different.
Also if you want a scene with gliders then I suggest movie Longest Day which is one of my favourite WW2 movies. It has british glider mission shown in it.
The Angels: For Democracy!!!
I usually see these videos at least twice. First on his channel the day it comes out, and then when you react.
53:32 *I knew you'd absolutely love this part!* 😁😁
Actions do speak for themselves
kip I am with you on this 6:48 history written by the Vickers but dust needs to be keep up the good work
38:56 Yes, that was the M1 Carbine. It fired the special .30 Carbine cartridge, from 15 or 30 round magazines. Very light, very accurate, a great little gun.
Wait a minute you're talking about. Mad Jack The one that brought in a claymore into battle and a longbow to world War II and towed, one of his colleagues. If those Yanks didn't drop that nuke we could have kept the war going for a few more years. This man just a lot problems
I think you're thinking of the Russo-Japanese War. Basically it was over who would control Korea and one of the main reasons the Japanese won was because they sank practically the entire Imperial Russian fleet in the Battle of Tsushima.
I was wondering when the fat electrician was going to do this video this is one of my most favorite World War II stories I knew about it when I was a kid the history channel did something about it. They need to make a movie about this how I’m half tempted on writing a script myself.
Social engineering is a thing, and so hard to train against because it works. On paper it should never work because we have so many systems and procedures to prevent it. But at the end of the day it's dependent on ppl following it and if someone can make a person who's at those checkpoints or checking that paperwork feel like not letting them through will cause them to lose their job or get in trouble, they'll usually let them through.
I saw this live yesterday, and here i am to watch it again, lol
The way I like to put it is that every sin can be forgiven, but just because you are forgiven, does not mean you don’t face the consequences of your actions, and sometimes what you have committed, makes trusting you or allow you to continue to live in polite society impossible Because what you have done makes us in capable of ever trusting you again some people must then either be locked up in prison for the rest of their lives or executor. Assuming of course they’ve been properly convicted, and they actually did the crime
Actually most parachute regiments looked down on the glider infantry
I agree that Evil IS in the world and that it MUST be addressed... However... I believe world peace and a perfect world... "Is the Hallucinatory Pipe Dream of a Fool..." and I use each and every one of those words deliberately...
Russia vs japan 1905-1906 ( i think can't remember ), but if you want a funny/sad story, look up the 2nd pacific squadron and you won't be disappointed.
Russo-Japanese war. 1904-05.
Do you see torpedo boats?
My teacher actually taught about American camps. However he said they followed the Geneva convention in the European theater. Which I greatly beg to differ. The soviets, germans and even the Allie’s didn’t follow the convention all the time.
It's pretty hard to follow it ALL the time and get anything meaningful done. There's a reason it's jokingly called the Geneva Suggestion, because it's not always capable of even being enforced.
But I will say this, there were definitely certain armies that were far more notorious than others for abusing it. And this may come as a surprise, but the German Army is not at the top of that list. No, that honor belongs to the Japanese, the Russians and (biggest surprise of all) the Canadians!
25:37 you’re talking about Mad Jack Churchill, Scottish claymore, bow and arrow and bagpipes
IIRC, he was forced to carry a pistol because he was going to be court marshaled if he didn't
the logistics and support teams are crucial for any war.. Japan had submarines, not called U-boats..
While he never actually says it, pretty sure this is what the movie The Great Raid is based on
I agree with your take on the Pacific theater not being as known as the European theater, at least as far as boots on the ground. Until I was well into my 20's all I knew about the Pacific war was that there was boats and planes, very little idea how much actual man to man combat was done. Usually the only people prosecuted for war crimes are the people on the losing side, very rare that the winner of a conflict answers for what they did because they are the ones in charge after all is said and done.
15:07 And people will ask why law enforcement doesn't stop them. The reality is that the vast majority of murders by serial killers simply never get connected as such, and remain as individual cases, and many go unsolved.
A powerful, and sad story.
Didnt think of this when i first watch the FE video but i do remeber the gliders in media once it was a game cant remeber what one think it was either one of the OG CODs or one of the OG Medal Of Honour games.
Kip that would be the Japo-Russo War or something similar. I'm sure there've been other conflicts between those two countries. (edit): Truth be told Saving Private Ryan actually had a glider in it and was mentioned. it was when they ran into the giant group of guys and just before (after? I can't remember) they ran into the MG nest on the hill.
Not sure if it's same one with claymoore, but seems there was a soldier who went in with an english longbow.
Same guy. He was in the 42nd Highlanders. Landed on D-Day. I believe his name was Jack Churchill, no relation to Winston.
Be pretty hard for Jack Churchill to land on D-day when it is pretty well documented that he was a German POW when D-Day happened.
There was a Japanese internment camp in Wyoming where I’m from called Heart Mountain
While I was in college, a Japanese American who was a child there came to talk about his experiences there
That camp was actually one of the decent ones
The Americans of Japanese decent who were held there had their own businesses and the communities around would go there to buy stuff and support them
For every front line fighter in the military, it takes 10 to 20 more soldiers behind front lines.
Yeah... There is definitely evil in the world. I love people, I want to see all the good in people. That doesn't mean I don't know that evil exists. There are people in this world that... don't deserve to continue breathing. I can't really do anything about it, personally, but my thoughts on the matter are pretty clear.
Also yeah, airborne in general is basically another term for man-grenade. Pull the pin, throw it at the enemy. My cousin was airborne, and while he was always a little... off compared to the rest of the family, he was absolutely our favorite cousin because of how he was. He was the point man. Didn't matter what, didn't matter where, he was down, and he'd take charge if needed. Dude is literally motivation in human shape. I've been shooting with him, even before the military. I pity anyone on the other end of that man. Man-sized claymore mine right there. And according to him, he wasn't nearly the best guy in his unit, let alone his division.
Also also, not to make this more of a novel, but completely agree with you on the "unsung" part at 30:50. A good commander can make it work if he has less troops than he'd like. He can't make it work nearly as well without the logistical support. I'd rather have 1000 soldiers and 200 logistics guys than 2000 soldiers and 100 logistics guys.
My grandpa was an airborn ranger in Vietnam War and he doesnt talk about it but im interested in it so its nice to learn about them
Kip the reason they were thinking of getting rid of airborne divisions is that the airborne attacks from the Germans and others have all or most have been Phiric victories or losses.
Unpopular opinion the Japanese interment camps in the US were necessary and effective. Japan said after the war that a lot of their spies were held in those camps
It crazy what you do, bring, and/or wear can get you into isnt there still a thing where you can get into most places because you brought a ladder?
Keep up the Philippines history and scope out Wendigoon's video about the time that the CIA faked vampire attacks!
You'd probably dig his channel, and that video is WILD
3:50 Kip, Russia has NEVER tried invading Japan. You're probably thinking of the two times where the Mongols tried, the second one being where the term "kamikaze" originated.
Pretty sure he’s referring to the Russo-Japanese War in 1904
The Japanese had subs. The Yorktown was finished off after the battle of midway by a Japanese sub.
They also sunk Wasp (CV-7) and failed to sink Saratoga (CV-3) at least twice.
26:34 its the Kizaru/ aokiji method of travel
I highly recommend the book "Prisoners of the Japanese" if you haven't read it.
Thanks!
@KipReacts
Oh cool, I didn't expect a reply on a two week old video!
Yeah, it wasn't about this camp in particular but it was centered on the men captured during the conquest of rhe Phillipines by the Japanese, the Bataan Death March, and the forced labor camps to construct the railway in Burma.
The old movie "a bridge to far" shows glider use in operation market garden.
1:21:45 Well not necessarily, depending on if his neck snaped or not.🤔
6:15 I live about 5 miles from the Manzanar Japanese internment camp and been by the Wendover camp many times. Manzanar is huge. They do yearly Japanese ceremonies there. They had American citizens in camps, we had Japanese & Japanese-Americans in camps. Neither was right, but there was a vast difference in the treatment. Not many died in the American camps.
Of course Japan had u-boats. It was a u-boat that sunk the Yorktown at Midway.
17:47 don't forget the """standards"" of their time" types...
Kip, mullets are from the 80's not the 60's.
Rig the algorithm!
This Fat Electrician video needs to get to Mel Gibson pronto!!! 🤠👍
When I finished watching his video, my first thought was "How will Kip react?" Hearing the part about Lois *WRECKED* me. One thing I think you should know is you inadvertently disrespect our chubby electron guy. If he's on screen when you pause, his face looks as bad as possible for several minutes while you add your comments. See your pauses at 39:15 and 49:15. Also, what's up with pausing at x9:15?
It's not strange that generals didn’t like airborne divisions, firstly they take up resources that could be used by the other divisions, secondly the airborne operations at the the time left alot to be desired as shown in the invasion of crete where falshimjager units were overwhelmed by farmers and citizens, also husky and airborne operations in north africa had mixed results that generals believed could be better if it'd been just a infantry or armored, even look at Normandy none of the airborne units landed where they were meant to so generals looked at paratroopers as high risk high reward because they could absolutely savage an enemy behind their lines but it also could backfire tremendously like market garden
Note that this is not a dig to airborne units. Anyone crazy enough to jump out of a functional plane on top an enemy postion deserves respect
The Japanese did have submarines but not U-Boats. U-Boats are exclusively German because that's how they classified their submarine hull numbers. Typically U followed by a dash and three numbers. Just for the sake of example say like U-123, U-234, U-345, etc. The Japanese type classified their submarine hulls with the letter "I" while the US classed theirs as "SS". So on, so forth.
The Pacific theater needs to be required reading in general.
And apparently, the Europeans don't even consider the Pacific as part of the war
The conflict between Japan and Russia.That you're thinking of is the russo-japanese War of 1905
Thank you!
Oh, you're welcome and like that you brought up unit 731 because I feel like not many people really even know about that, because when you think about stuff like concentration camps and things like that, people automatically talk about the Germans because. What they did was more publicized.Then what the japanese did when it came to that sort of thing
@@ClancyWoodard-yw6tg I'd argue Japan was more atrocious than the Germans and I think a big reason why more people don't know about Unit 731 is because the U.S Government/C.I.A covered it up before, during and after the Japanese Trials, when Unit 731 and related Units were mentioned, only surface level 'public' information was provided, not the sheer depravity that took place. It was all to exchange for the research results for Immunity, which some people claim the results were useless, but I highly doubt that. Japan has also kept it hidden as much as they could, same with what happened in Nanking/Nanjing, which only really started getting talked about after the 1980's when relatives of survivors wrote books about what their relatives experienced.
Shiro Ishii and the others responsible returned to working in high positions in research companies, colleges, in the government, etc. They didn't live in obscurity. The 'scientists' and the others responsible made an Oath of Silence and as far as I am aware, most if not all of them have kept that Oath to their graves. So many Japanese citizens don't even know Unit 731 existed and if they do, they just know it as its official title as the Water and Purification Station title.
I mean have you read the Geneva convention if war is to happen it’s the Canadian checklist
My feels
31:40 Japanese subs were active, but were never very effective, as far as I'm aware.
Japanese sub generally went after warships rather than transport ships, due to their warrior ethos that the only honorable targets are those who can fight. so they mainly ignored supply ships.
if no one mentioned anything yet on the Japanese having subs that did all so thay had a sub that was all so a "aircraft career" it was the I-400 it I strongly remind looking in to if you havet kip 31:39
while we all acknowledge FAFO when it is called forth it is, for some reason, generaly denied legitimacy
the whole context of how guyA was rude and had unacceptable actions is erased in favor of guyB hit "first" and so is the bad guy .....