DCS Kiowa Warrior SME WiP Quick Start and Flight-Test Demo
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- Unscripted, KW SME tester describes control setup, quick start, and basic FM demo.
Not much detail, terrible VR capture, sub-par in-game sound, and poor procedures.
But you do get to hear about test methodology, and see some weapons engagement demos.
Keep in mind when you watch: Several of the "bugs" I call out are new, and are an artifact of the continuing "moving target" of progressing through test builds as more detail is coded into the module. It just takes hundreds of iterations of build, test, and fix to address the thousands of small details that creep in or out.
Don't overanalyze or read too much into every little detail. And yes, sometimes things are done to "feel", sometimes to "minute technical data".
Sometimes it's not binary.
Enjoy. SCOUTS OUT!
0:00 - Intro
1:40 - Control Setup
5:20 - Start Prep
7:30 - Start
13:40 - Hover
15:00 - Transition thru ETL
16:30 - Climbout
17:30 - Level-off
19:45 - Establishing "Circle of Action"
20:45 - 1st Engagement
21:05 - 2nd Engagement
22:30 - 3rd Engagement
23:50 - 4th Engagement
24:20 - Terrain Flight Decel
25:40 - Decel to Hover - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I can't explain it, but I have yet to be as excited for a module as I am for this one. It's not the best at anything, it's not very glamorous, but it just speaks to me for some reason. Keep up the good work PC
Because it's going to be a real challenge to use. I just hope. Polychop doesn't fuck it up like they did the Gazelle.
@@sasquatchycowboy5585 Definitely, the challenge is one of my favorite things about the hind, which is my current favorite helo.
@@jeevungill7096 If you want challenge you should be flying the Huey. It's the barest of the bare bones when it comes to helicopters in DCS.
@@ImpendingJoker I had the trial for the Huey, and I loved flying it. However, in combat it's quite ineffective. One day when I have some spare cash I'll get it just to fly around in, but in the realm of dcs it's not very good.
@@jeevungill7096 Then you truly don't know the Huey. It is great for lightly contested areas where there are just troops on the ground, and you can transport troops and sling load with it and that makes it way better than the Hind on multiplayer servers where you are trying to capture and resupply bases.
> "Don't lose hope."
Thanks for posting more of these, and please do keep doing that.
As long as I can fly this with my buddies in the co-pilot seat this is a day 1 purchase!
You can
Please keep showing us these videos. There are a bunch of people that have started thinking the Kiowa module is going to be vaporware. We want it to be good, but we also wanted it yesterday. Good luck with your testing.
It is.
@@NoNoNoNoYoureWrongkek
Really excited to see this is still being developed. Thanks for letting us along for the ride
I got to learn about aerial artillery guidance, basically a FAC for artillery (I was a FO at Bragg) and rode left seat in an OH-58 Kiowa (Basically a 206 in OD with a black panel). but that was over 40 years ago and the warrior was yet to come. I have very little novelty time in a 206 and some high end (Level D) sim time in a few types. I love helicopters and they're a large share of my sim time... what I'd chase if I had it all to do over again.
I was a huge Jane's fan, the sim and publication and was enthralled with the state-of-the-art of the Kiowa Warrior. But I fell in love with the warrior after watching them buzz around the range onboard Bellows AAF.
It wasn't until I was touring the Bell Customer Flight Academy at KAFW I saw a warrior up close and inside. As I was walking through the hangar, I saw the "alien head" on a white helicopter with Bell standard blue panels and an "N" number. It made perfect sense for training in a civilian area. All that to say this, the cockpit looks absolutely fantastic, the flight model looks fantastic and your demonstration was a pleasure to watch.
I think this module has pushed me over the edge of teetering around which sim and whether I want to go ahead and get one. I'll be getting DCS and wait anxiously for this release.
Thanks for your comment! The K-Dub was a hoot to fly.
As for DCS, be warned...most expensive "free" hobby you'll pick up..
@@Barundus 😂 I know, Lord knows I know. I had several hundred dollars in FSX before my sim hiatus. I've already got more in my DCS wish list.
If you need a little help or people to fly with search "Arrorian Imperial Navy" in the squadrons section of the dcs forums. We're a bunch of mostly old vets, a commercial pilot or two and a few whatever. But we do training and such. You're welcome to drop by and fly with us whenever.
@@stephensanford5273 Thank you.
I used to do the VUSN when we were on FS2004 and FSX. Designed the logo. I think they have a squadron in DCS. I'll check y'all out. I loved that time.
@@Barundus LOL, how true! I just added a Virpil collective with Hawk-60 grip and a CM3 base with MongoosT-50 grip to my collection of flightsim gear. Currently using it with the Apache and looking forward to the Kiowa and Ch-47! I can highly recommend a Virpil setup for choppers if you don't have something already! Coming from a Warthog HOTAS to this takes my heli flying and enjoyment to a whole new level, especially since I fly in VR only😄
To improve VR performance in MT, try reducing the in-game VR super sampling under (under VR settings) - I changed it to 0.6 and ran Oculus Tray Tool at 1.2 and it's much, much better. Cheers for the upload, looking forward to this module
I'll try this tip 🎉
Thanks for the look under the hood! Im excited for this to be released
Keep coming back to your and Casmo's videos of the Kiowa in anticipation of release. Can't wait
I use to fly these and can’t wait to see if the module is a Squirrelly as the real thing at hovering.
I'm still waiting for this. Thanks a lot for another great video and cool info from real life operations. I really liked that landing....I don't think my helicopter skill are too bad, but for some reason, I need to improve my flying, while trying to put myself into hover and looking right or left . Watching the reference point left or right causing me to be very wobbly. You did it great.
Always GREAT to see the Kiowa! Patiently waiting for this one. Thank you for sharing.
man im soo friggin stoked for this! Keep up the hard work this looks amazing!!
OMG, wheeeeen
I don't know why, but I'm so excited for this helicopter. It looks simple yet I feel like I could go really hard and do a lot of damage with it. My friends love to fly the apache, I'd be that one with the kiowa helping them.
Just tell me wheeeen
Sorry for my excitement
oh my i can not wait im saving space on a cc just for this module i want it so bad ty for the video boss man
Ooooo! Exciting! Great job B.
Looking forward to it!
"Don't lose hope."
Keeping the hope alive.
Yessss, it only 2 weeks away !!!!
Great video! I also fly with HOTAS and not a collective and also tried to pull backwards for up. My brain could not cope with doing that then swapping back to jets, so I use the push forward for up method too :)
Thank you for this nice video, I enjoyed it
Looks really promising. It is good you take the time to debug and fix stuff, before early access. 😊
I have hope! It's a sold from me whenever it arrives.
Nice Work - Keep em coming!
this rotorbladesound is great
2:12 Push = up, pull = down is the way I like it too, keeps it similar to planes, with forward = more thrust. On a collective controller the motion is so different anyway that it doesn't really confuse me at all when switching between the two.
Amd cards always are having driver issues, I can’t even load tacview without crashing… Thanks for the sneak peak into this module!
Nice insight... Thanks!
I'm now interested in finding out more about the Circle of Action technique. How did you determine it and placed that first rocket so accurately without using the sharpie crosshair on the canopy?
Check out Casmo's vid on aerial gunnery. He does a great job explaining.
Cheers dude
very awesome
Please tell me this Warrior could bring thunder to the target with Arty's laser-guided projectile in DCS.. just if the Devs add the M712 Copperhead to the M109 in CA Module with the ability to change laser code 🥺
man, i cannot wait until this thing is on the MP battlefield, sneaking around lasing targets for everyone.
thanks for this
Nice 👍
Looking fwd to this module. I just wish people would stop recording in VR as it's just so annoying to watch. All the shakes & jitters just make it nauseating to watch :( Otherwise, keep up the great stuff!!
great!
Aimxyz would be a more excellent option for recording tutorials without shakiness. Great video, thanks!
Dude we were in B troop together, small ass world! Only thing unrealistic about this so far is the lack of a start cart 😂 those new batteries never held their charge properly
Thx for the video. What are your pc spec if is possible to know? Thanks :)
I deinstalled DCS several months ago . But i'll reinstall it for this little bird if the flight model is ok .
Heck yes!
looking forward to fixed rockets and fixed gun!
Shoot! I thought that this was dead. Good to see it’s very much alive. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
Is there a possibility of getting a video on autorotation of the KW?
Yes
I hope you guys have plans for force feedback. Any nuance feelings using force trim & also physical stick movement/placement being the main one that needs to be implemented. I hope you're at least going to do better than Razbam I asked about ffb in relation to their upcoming F-15E module & they didn't even know if the thing was FBW or not, then told me I should do the research as to how ffb should feel/be implemented & then report that back to them, does that mean I work for Razbam? Would I get a discount at least? 😆
What kind of armament will this carry ? Like guns and guided munitions ? And what about the tpod or built in tv/flir? I'm interested in buying it when it comes out so cool to see it's already flying and modeled
The 58D wis a light scout helicopter. It can carry Hellfires, Hydras, Stingers and .50cal machine gun externally. It's not like the Gazelle or Apache. It's not a power hitter, it's an armed observer. It engages only when it has to. All the sensors are located in the Mast Mounted Sight or MMS, and contains FLIR, day and night TV and laser designator.
@@ImpendingJoker Isn't it quite a bit like the Gazelle? Lightweight, big camera up top (Gazelle has it on the roof, the M variant with TV and FLIR, L and MISTRAL with just TV, while Kiowa has it on the mast, always both), can carry a few missiles (A-G or A-A, HOT3s or Mistrals for the Gazelle, Hellfires or Stingers for the Kiowa) or a few rockets and a gun (SNEBs and an M621 20mm for the Gazelle, Hydras and a Browning .50 cal for the Kiowa).
Definitely not like the Apache, Ka-50 or the Hind though, that's for certain! =)
Can I buy now
Sickkk
Hard not to get unnecessarily exited. This is a start up video. Historically that usually means..........2 weeks.
Oh great. . . . . I was this 666th "LIKE".
But I still can't wait for this thing
I'm glad those hooks are not swinging. 🤣
Hey, great video, I've watched it a few times now but I do have a question, What are your "settings" like with your stick? What cams do you use and do you use springs or no springs? Do you use the clutch mechanism? Sorry for all the questions but I'd assume you'd have the best set up seeing as you flew them IRL. Thanks for reading!
I have a "better than entry-level" equipment setup I suppose. But I don't go for the latest-and-greatest "stuff".
I use the no-center cams (the cosmo-sim cams? Honestly can't remember) on the WarBRD base, with the lightest springs I could find from an online spring supplier which seemed to match the dimensions of the VirPil springs. I tried the lightest VirPil springs, but found I still wanted something lighter so went searching online for something close.
I've been considering the VirPil CM3 base because I'd like to try something with clutches, but I haven't found a compelling-enough reason to spend that kind of money on another base.
My flight chair setup is an old office chair with 1/2" plumbing pipes bolted to the underside to support the throttle and cyclic :).
@@Barundus Thank you so much for this answer, you gave me WAAY more than I even asked for so I appreciate that alot!
I have the WarBRD-D which does have the clutch, It was kind of disappointing because it really locks the center which makes it really hard to hover because you have to really yank it, it might work better though if you have extensions which you do(I don't).
one of the modules i'm the most exited for. btw, are those smoke grenades throwable ?
I have my throttle in a collective config (back is up forward is down) and I'm used to it however, I find it very jarring when hovering the Harrier.
Module looks great. I was in Iraq in 2005 with the 172nd and had OH58's supporting us, love that helo. Looking forward to having hunter killer teams with Ah64's and OH58's. The progress looks good. I also fly the Gazelle and love it. I think most of the complaints about it are from people who don't fly it much or put silly curves on it and such. (or bad controls / ham fisting and complaining.) It isn't perfect, but fun, and if people would learn to fly it instead of just jumping on the "bad flight model" bandwagon I think they'd find how enjoyable it is. (same people probably fly the Unicorn Ka-50 which wasn't ever operational or weapons certified. It'd be like having a YF-23 in DCS. Cool, okay, but never operational and all the data is fiction.)
As to your VR performance. I didn't have great luck with multithreading either. I had a 3060TI and was in the process of building a new PC with a 4080, an I9 12th gen, and 64gb of RAM. The old PC was a 3060TI, 64gb ram, and a 10th gen I7. I doubled my framerates with the new PC. And during some of the testing I've been doing, My RAM usage never goes about 31-32GB. Doing some research I think there is something in DCS that won't optimize or use more ram and 32 gb. And obviously DCS isn't going to run as well if the RAM is maxed, or near max. I don't know what and how much RAM you've got, but I think that with the current programing in DCS, 64 gb is about what you want if you're using VR or wanting to run good framerate in multiplayer. Currently I get about 120-130 fps in MT single player, and 70-90 in multiplayer (which doesn't support MT) Anyway, the 4080 is absolutely a beast so I'd be interested to see non-VR FPS with an AMD card, as they have more Vram and DCS doesn't use things like raytracing anyway.
Thanks for the video, and I very much look forward to taking the OH58 for a spin.
Your points about the Gaz-haters club bandwagon are spot-on.
I have a:
Win11
AMD 5800X3D
48GB RAM
AMD 7900XTX
HP Reverb G2
Thus far, the 7900 XTX has been a giant disappointment.
At altitude where the graphic environment is simple, I get 60+ FPS with
I kind of killed some truck or two with that .50cal in Longbow years ago, cant wait to try out that ultimate brute force of the Kiowa on those damn truckconvois! haha In that game it had a simple HUD display, has the real one only that simple crossair on the window? different versions?
I was honestly not sure we’d ever see this module again, at all. Happy to see it’s still being developed :)
Wow
Very cool video, I hope you have more coming for us. I guess that you have a 7900 xtx then. Did you find a way to get some more performance out of it?
Yes. I sold it and bought a 4090.
@@Barundus Nice, well that's one way to do it. Can you roughly estimate how much better the 4090 is?
It's the VR experience I've been wanting. AMD really missed the mark.
You just have to be a middle-aged man with lots of disposable income to experience it. And I still feel conflicted about spending that much.
@@DanielPile103
FM looks very floaty. Do we have SME with opinions on this?
Yes
How will the Kiowa work together with the ED Apache? In what way will it be implemented? Are you already testing this in Multiplayer and single player?
A lot like it was in real life I'd suspect. But the Longbow doesn't really need the Kiowa which is why they were retired RL. In the early days the Kiowa(I) was flown from offshore platforms and small ships at night, years before what you saw in Desert Storm. It's an armed scout, and doesn't really need to be teamed up with an Apache at all, and they function just like any other spotter when utilized. They can laze targets for others just like any other forward observer can but they really excel at gathering information and sharing it with others. Before the War On Terror they were more like a peeping Tom watching from behind trees, hills and buildings, and relaying information. The OH-58D(I) in real life is so underpowered that two good size guys with a full bag of gas can push it past it weight limit, add hot and high to the mix and one of them will have to get out and push. Still though, I loved working on and flying in the little Kiowa because you didn't get in it, you strapped it to your back, and it was oh so much fun at low level.
Great video, module looking awesome. Early adopter VR only DCS player happy to walk you through some settings to get your VR running snappier if you want. Just PM me. I have all my buddies running like butter. STOKED for the KW
Thanks for the kind offer. How does one PM another on YT?
Great!! Thank you.
This is the first time in 7 years where i see cyclic inputs in a Polychop DCS module making sense...
I would be happy with anything from poly chop marking sense. The gazelle honestly shouldn't eaven be in the game with it's rc helicopter flight mechanics and frankly lack of a damage model aside from alive or dead.
HOW TO GET THIS
It's not out yet.
Can we not have a bunch of smoke grenades on the dash, maybe just guns?
Am I dreaming? There is no way this is getting any closer to release, isn't it? XD
insta buy
As a beginner I love the Huey because the Apache is still to complicated for me and dosen‘t have the nice cockpitview. Hope release will be soon
Try the Hind.
@@sasquatchycowboy5585 The Hind is even worse than the Apache.
@@ImpendingJoker In what terms? Cockpit view?
wish this wasnt in vr
⚠❤❤❤2 WEEKS ONLY❓ ❤❤❤⚠
What I do when I see a shakey video in VR is quickly watch some other video.
Neat progress. When u gonna fix everything wrong with the gazelle poly chop
Well, they at least said that the FM update on the Gazelle won't happen before Kiowa is released.
@@jubuttib and that's what caused me to lose allot of faith. Why fix what's been baut and paid for when they can work on a new shiny helicopter
@@FlavorfulGaming Well, playing the devil's advocate for a bit, I can think of AN explanation: Basically there was nothing in the flight model of the gazelle to save, it's going to be totally scrapped, yeah? They're having to start from scratch with the whole thing. This will take time, a lot of time. More or less as long as making a new module would. They think "can we take the time to redevelop the whole flight model of the Gazelle first, then make a new module, without going bankrupt?" Possibly, maybe even probably not. The Gazelle is unlikely to make much money for them even after the fix. So instead they start working on a new module together with the FM, hoping that by the time they have everything working, they can actually sell a module that people are interested in as well, to generate some cashflow. Then once they have that, they can spare time to bringing the Gazelle up to date.
Now why aren't they updating the Gazelle as they progress with their flight model for the Kiowa? I have some experience in developing multiple games at the same time, and it can be very undesirable to swap between productions like that. Not only technically, but also mentally. Much easier to stay productive when focusing on one project at a time.
Why not start with redeveloping the Gazelle FM with the people responsible for that, and have artists and systems developers work on Kiowa, then work on the Kiowa FM once the Gazelle is in the bag, using it as the base? This could easily lead into a situation, where FM and physics are lagging massively behind everything else in the dev pipeline, and a lot of these areas are still intertwined. Like engine management systems might not be done by the FM coder(s), but they still need to work together. This approach would both delay the Kiowa Vs. focusing on it (and they probably need the cashflow it'd generate as soon as possible), and make the work of people outside the FM side less efficient.
But these are all just random hypotheticals based on some experiences in game development. I have no idea what their studio size is and how clearly divided the workloads are. Where I've worked we've had between 50 and 150 people and people tended to specialize in their own areas, so scheduling and division of labor was always important.
EDIT: This also isn't to say that leaving the gazelle in the state it is in isn't pretty dang shitty for the consumers, but sometimes you also don't have many options.
@@jubuttib the solution was available.....not start work on another large project like the Kiowa until the gazelle was in a state that was to the standard of the rest of the game. The gazelle has been in a awful state for as long as it's been in the game so like 2016? 7 years? There is very little excuses we can make for them at this point we just have to accept it and pray the Kiowa releases vaguely to the standard any of the other modules are in.
They explained this. They are using lessons learned in building the KW dynamics model to rebuild the Gaz from scratch. The reason they are not doing the gaz first before the KW is because they have KW dedicated SMEs right now available for building the rotor model, while they do not have the same level of access for gaz currently.
Is this going to have the UFO Gazelle flight model as well?
If you look the controls indicator box at the bottom left, you can see that cyclic is not anymore hold in the center, and pedals are actually required to be somewhere else than center to fly straight or maintain the movement.
I am not so sure about pedals sensitivity, but that is me. As when he is firing the gun, there is not much pedal work being done at all for the gun, like it has no recoil.
Hopefully it won’t be as stressful to fly like the Apache
The Apache is a dream to fly but if you are trying to learn to fly helicopters and the first one you got was the Apache, then yeah, you put the cart before the horse. Get the Huey and learn the fundamentals then go back to the Apache, and you'll be in better shape.
@@ImpendingJoker FWIW I can see their point, I have all of the helicopter modules for DCS, been flying them for years, and I'd agree that in its early stages the Apache was by far the most twitchy helicopter in the game, harder to keep stable in a hover than the Huey, and absolute miles away from the terrific stability of the Hind, Hip and especially the Shark.
Things have changed a lot recently, especially after the multithreading update the Apache got a lot easier to handle and smoother to fly. Still not issue free, they've said themselves that the SCAS still needs tuning, there are some behaviors related to what happens when you dive etc. that aren't working quite right, and there are other oddities like certain trim modes (under the Special settings tab) limiting how fast you can move the cyclic significantly vs. other modes, etc. But it's constantly getting better, and is still a lot of fun. =)
Does the 3D printed extension have much flex?
None.
@@Barundus Thank you.
@@Barundus Can you tell us what the green, yellow, and purple bottles are for?
Smoke grenades for marking etc .... easy access on the dash....... I think ..
@@mazambaan correct
Is the rotor disk modeled?
Oh look, where in 2019 again bois.
I will not be buying this module out of spite. PolyChop has gone to long with little to no updates. And the videos have been the ultimate "D" tease, and you can only be teased so long. While I know PolyChop is a small crew and one of their members was ill. I gave a lot of patience. But the response on their Discord channel for any updates on progress is meet with attacks and ridicule.
Textures looks very good, but it feels like there’s no front-glasses (windshield)!!
я знаю 3 языка программирования, у меня отдельный комп с кокпитом для симулятора на гонки. но этого симулятора боюсь, я даже не знаю с какой стороны к нему подойти, почему то мне страшно и те кто в него играет я считаю как топ игроков в жанре игр.
Put this thing out of its misery already……
I can't wait til 2057 when this is released.
😂😂😂😂😂
2 weeks :tm:
Or 2024
0:14 I genuinely thought my rig was broken, until you finally said something into the void :D
0:22 I guess I can live with that. Dunno what headset you're using. If you happen to have a Quest 2 or Pro though, try using either wired Link or wireless AirLink and fire up OculusMirror (it's where the debug tool is as well), and enable the stabilization there, make the thing full screen and grab that with OBS.
3:11 When did ED add that pattern to that window?
10:01 "The lotor" _~Barundus, 2023_
13:00 "300 rocks"
Monty Python entered the chat.
15:05 DCS: Gazelle left the chat.
SCNR! :D - can't wait until it gets a FM after the KW release! :)
26:35 LOL! :D
😅
L V L V D O
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F××K, WHERE IS THE EUROFIGHTER?!
If this weren’t made by polychop, I’d be more excited for this.. but made by polychop and no multi crew……
A wise man once told me, when you assume, you make an ASS out of U and ME...
Well last time I was only a passenger and mms operator in left seat and an internal tester was pilot, so assumptions fail to meet teality. Multicrew is going to be available on release, so no worries, we try to stay true to our name 😉
Do a Video without VR pls😁😆🤢
I did. Like, seven hours worth.
But when is this coming?
Show your control indicator. After the absolute garbage that is the Gazelle I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole unless I have it on vary vary good authority that the cyclic in the cockpit requires the same inputs as the real helicopter. And even then, I might not get it until they fix the Gazelle. This is the only team that I would really wish would just go out of business and go away.
Thanks for your thoughtful comments!
Clearly you are a discriminating aficionado!
Question: what "authority" would be credentialed sufficiently to validate the control modeling to meet your standards? The Flugsim Ubervachungs Klub - Ober-Frühstück Fliegerwirtschaft is booked for the next six months.
By the way, is your control setup pretty similar to a "real" helicopter? No? Yes? Good for you!
Because the 14 year old kid down the street is flying the same module as you are, with an Atari 2600 joystick and a used throttle quadrant he found in a box in the garage. And he's perfectly happy.
Want PC to go out of business? Don't buy the module. There: You've done your part.
Thanks for you thoughts. I value your opinion.
Also: did you even watch the vid?
'Cuz the control indicator was shown literally THE ENTIRE VIDEO.
You're an idiot. He turned on the control indicator pretty early on because of ass hats like you talking crap without knowing a damn thing. I have the Gazelle and fly it often and have no issues with it.
stupid trolls
Imagine commenting on a video of a REAL KW pilot that has his controls indicator on the screen, and saying you think it's sh*t because he won't show the controls indicator and that you won't buy it until a real pilot signs off on it. There is not enough face palms in the world to explain to you how dumb your comment is.
Cant wait to hear about the bugs this thing will have for years!! Thank you for nothing.
My pleasure. You're very welcome.
Your pouting is delicious.
I guess the War Thunder severs are down today
@@jasons9564 So it would seem. haha
Why don't you take your years of real life combat and helicopter flying experience and spew it upon the others that think like you do?
I get it guys, you don't like to be reminded of that other thing you half finished and left behind. I can only hope this one at least gets a non UAV flight model...
fake
Kiowa...still alive?!