Stop arguing about mac vs pc
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- čas přidán 31. 01. 2008
- I found a video from the d5 conference i think it was, which was very interesting to me. I saw a lot of videos bitching about how mac is better than pc or the other way around. This video (orginally about 2 hours long), showed me something different. So, i've selected the most interesting parts to show you and hopefully make the world, the tech world at least, a bit more restful.
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If I had a dollar for every pixel in this video, I would have 75 cents
save a bunch in data plan lol
It was uploaded in 2008 moron.
you wrong , it is 76.1
@@miba8303 Oh, sorry, my bad xD
actually, you'd have 84480 dollars
Light blue background, white writing, ladies and gents we've travelled to 2008.
windows movie maker
when youtube suggest this video in 2021-
“What in the world is goin on on wall street”
And here im reading your comment in 2021
& Comic Sans
This video was created using windows movie maker 🥺
This video was uploaded 12 years ago. windows movie maker is trash though I will agree.
@@explodingfiregaming bruh windows movie maker was the best
@@hunterjayfilm oh so you are an apple fanboy looks like you never used windows
@@hunterjayfilm i think you are kinda right becuse i have an Iphone and a Ipad
ഇവിടെയും വന്നോ,😁😁😁
The way he says “Let me tell the story”
LMAO 😂🤣🤣😂
Steve was good at telling stories.
+ he realised that no one would understand the terminology Bill was using, unless they’re into technology (myself included)
gates stock is heavily heavily dropping in comparison to steves' which keep rising, a legacy
This seriously comes in Ur recommend after 12 years
Same... i wonder why
Whats wrong with youtube..
@@Dxeeny55881 now 13 years 🤣
13 years
@@austinkmhi the time I wrote that message it used to show 12😅
I like how Gates knows more about the technical aspects of apple's own products than Steve Jobs.
Woz was the brains
That's because Deadbeat Dad Jobs was a con artist, not a genius.
@@encycl07pedia- Jobs was clever in his own way, he understood consumers and markets very well, I would argue better than Gates. Gates was always a better systems designer though, if they stayed together I shudder to think what kind of business would have become
@@encycl07pedia- Technically genius wont take one very far, not even within his own development team
@@VUnhac Right. He used a lot of people to get where he was.
Steve Jobs was probably one of the best minds to ever come into the spotlight in the last century or two, he wasn't super intelligent with computers but he was a natural salesman and had a charisma and ability to perform in front of an audience. Things like switching iPhones during the very first demo without anyone noticing to demonstrate the apps. He was just an all around marketing genius and knew how to get a product sold.
which pixel was steve jobs and bill gates on?
hahahahahahahahhahaaaaaaaaa
Damn
2008. When you were a sperm.
The 4th pixel from the left.
just the one
They were actually friends .read something current. Bill was actually at Steve's memorial. He really did care about Steve and Steve cared about him
They kept business and friendship separate. That's what civilized people do.
@@nahiyanalamgir7056 that’s what highly civilized people do
Friendship from competition, is actually very realistic
Sounds gay tho
@@jamesb9567 Pathetic
I believe Apple and Microsoft are both good companies. But I must say, I am more comfortable with PC's than Macs but am more comfortable with iPhones and iPads than windows phones.
*You know I just tried a mac for the first time in many many years the other day and I thought I was going to finally find out why people love it - You can't double click any window to maximize it. You can't delete only part of the recycle bin. There is no middle click. NO MIDDLE CLICK! Suffice to say, it was so disappointing, and left me even more baffled why people love it apart from being a nice hardware to look at.*
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One has a button to maximise the window, if it needs to be maximised.
Yes, one can only delete the entire Trash and not part of it, but since it is already in the Trash, it shall either be restored or be fully deleted. The Trash is not a repository for undecided files.
One can has middle click with a mouse with three buttons or one uses BetterTouchTool to enable a gesture for middle click.
As to you being baffled, it probably has to do with your own computational needs and you deducing others will have the same, when those needs are completely different from your own.
I have lived with un-maximised windows for over a decade now and it is fine.
I have lived with that Trash behaviour for over a decade, it is fine.
As to the middle click, hmm, I have lived with alternatives for almost a decade and it wasn't that hard.
Skullbasher Gaming
Yeah, I agree. It really is wonderful, how this movie got so many things right the second time around. The director really knows the story better than the one from the first part.
But then again, the lead actress was kinda bland compared to the dark actor.
Anyway, it was a joy to watch it on my 5" display, though I disliked the black bars on the top and bottom. Why can films not just adhere to one size. Stupid.
I left this comment a while ago. He replied to me so I replied back. I'm watching a movie at the moment. Also I'm not trolling which I've already said. I really am just trying to help people. I believe Linux Ubuntu 14.04 is the best OS hands down. Although gamers are forced to use windows to be able to play there games. I'm not saying that Apple has a bad product. I'm just saying that as a company apple is not a good company. There greedy. Every device Apple comes out with has a new charger. Which in turn makes you have to re-buy allot of your accessories. Also another reason Apple is vary greedy. They skimp on parts and charge way more than there devices are worth. Also Apple is a locked down OS/Operating System. If you just want a phone and don't care about apple, get an android device. If you love apple than get an iPhone. I just want to let people know theres better options than apple that are much better.
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BetterSnapTool is one solution.
I think this video shows this two giants in a moment of their life where thay are more wise, and all the "young competition" is gone. And this is good.
Only because they’ve both made it this far “Oh wow you really kept up with me”
gates stock is heavily heavily dropping in comparison to steves' which keep rising, a legacy
Stupid text at the start of video
Gillian Vann no one cares if you like mac (just fyi)
Its not stupid, its vintage :D
windows moviemaker
Mo Azade thats youtube pre 2011
Mo Azade Well that "stupid text" that you chose to call it isn't even known to almost anyone. Hating it just proved you're a mindless fanboy that hates everything else besides his favorite company even though it doesn't make sense.
It's like they are still special to each other. They have this intensed rivalry but deep inside them they're still friends. Like exes talking and sharing their fruitful past. Thanks to these two. They shaped the world, truly.
gates stock is heavily heavily dropping in comparison to steves' which keep rising, a legacy
It's actually really nice to see that these guys clearly had a lot of respect for one another.
A lot more reasonable than most consumers are these days. Brainwashed enough that they somehow have to defend the brand they already gave a lot of money to.
This didn't happen until Jobs got sick. It's still good it happened.
gates stock is heavily heavily dropping in comparison to steves' which keep rising, a legacy
Imagine Bill having a man he can consider his rival. Looking up to him and respecting him while competing with him. Then all of a sudden that rival/inspiration died. That must be pretty devastating.
Ikr. Very True, a competition is a best mentor.
Did you not see him deteriorate? I don't see how this was a shock to anybody. His loss of weight and hallowed appearance means it was either cancer or Aids
@@falsedragon33 Are you serious? It's common knowledge that Jobs died of pancreatic cancer. Dumb comment.
@@encycl07pedia- Mike was saying that AT THE TIME, it was obvious that Jobs likely had one of those two illnesses given his symptoms. Mike was NOT saying that the cause of Jobs' death is currently unknown.
@@gumfun2 Jobs announced that he had pancreatic cancer in a company email in 2004. He died in 2011.
You'd have to be living under a rock AT THE TIME to not know about it.
So interesting watching their communication style. Steve is clearly a great oral communicator, while I found it harder to understand Gates. Jobs was also very aware of non-verbal cues and the underwritten human aspect of the whole thing. Gates is definitely a numbers guy; a builder, coder, like Wozniak, with a huge talent for business. Jobs is a visionary, the entrepreneur, fluid in his thinking, and intuitive in actions. He sees through all the extraneous information and cuts into the core of the matter.
Yes.
gates stock is heavily heavily dropping in comparison to steves' which keep rising, a legacy
''We ship these Computers with 1g 2gigabytes memory'' I'm sitting here with a phone with 4gbs and a PC with 32gbs. Give it another decade people be having terabytes of memory.
you're lucky, my laptop only has 4 gigs. must be a nice gaming experience
CubesFTW with an i7 and 1080ti it's the best at this moment
Video and photo editing happily uses any amount of ram you have - sure, an i7 is not the best for that kind of thing but I'd opt for slower rendering/export for a better gaming experience
Cameron Hall ooh jealous
CubesFTW I use Photoshop alot tends to use a fair amount of Ram. Games like pubg can use up to 12gbs just glad I bought my ram before the price spikes.
Uploaded on 2008 and CZcams recommend me this at 2019
😂😂😂😂😂😂😁yeh
In Nov 2020
I use both Mac and PC, so I think both are great TBH.
They have different use cases, that's all.
I use MS Windows because I need it for work (C# / .NET developer), but I also understand that many people choose Macintosh because they use professional music and video editing software that perform better on MacOS, as well as people that use Linux OSes because they work with web servers and similar things.
i use as many computer platforms as i can get my hands on
I use both too
1:39 "who's we? how many people were in apple?" "Well, me!"
most of the people in the comment section didn't even pay attention to the message of the video :(
MV what is it.? Let me know please I am only 11 years old 🤔
Love Love wtf 😂😂
The message of the video is simple: live and let live hence the message being let bot Mac and Pc coexist without arguments as both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were friends in real life Good friends. So why the argument?
Oh, come on. FOR THE CONSUMER, it was Apple versus PC. Consumers were obviously going to purchase one or the other. Even though Apple (Apple II, IIe, Mac Plus, etc) was my earlier choice, Apple eventually lost that game - not because of anything Microsoft did, but because of Apple's (Steve Job's) seemingly endless mistakes (not supporting developers, not expanding it's software base, ousting Woz & others, charging absurd prices, and so on).
Fuck you
"Make love not war" was the cheesiest ending to a video I've ever seen.
@Toxik Deth Damn you
Stan Lee
did anyone even read the title
TITLE'S SUCK
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"Of course! It's made in Windows Crap Movie Maker©!"
Hey, WMM titles are the beeeeest.
***** Well thats because some people can't afford high tech stuff.
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Those 0 USD come at the price of registration though, thus the company will have your blood type and all the information about one's sex drive. That cannot happen, not while I am watching this shit.
the what?
All what matters is the fact that this two guys have changed the world as it is today :)
240p, we meet again.
Two of brightest minds in the world.
Dreamworks Motorwerks u talk like a CP parrot
Steve Wozniak is the real bright mind of Apple.
Dreamworks Motorwerks I kinda disagree
Theay are not
*Best salesmen
I remember the year 2009 when i was trying to upload videos in youtube, it was not successfull, but later on i converted the video to 3gp format and it was successfully uploaded, that is the reason this video has poor quality.
Back then those companies are in the hands of very passionate people who entirely focus on the products but not business but now they are focusing on business but not products.
Bill quit microsoft and Steve is dead what do you expect
Though microsoft is actually doing a Good job in os
Could you image if they really joined forces in the same company Jobs the marketing genius and Bill the technical guru plus Woz and Ivy that would have been amazing
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And balmer would be running around saying "developers developers"
MicroApple or AppleSoft
gates stock is heavily heavily dropping in comparison to steves' which keep rising, a legacy
Thanks for posting this. I'd never seen it. There was a lot more mutuality between the two CEOs than most folks realize. I think it's their fanbase that got all partisan.
Seeing this again in 2018 ... having a nostalgic moment ...
For upcoming generation this video will be a great source of knowledge.
Thanks to u bro.
2021. 04. 28
But I had already watch this full interview in 2016. 01. 12.
I remind this date cause I loved the way the conversation begins and ends
And the conversation of two ideal was awesome at my experience.
&RIP legend Steve Jobs❣❤
It's my honor to born in your era.
1999✨
Yeah they are such good friends, suing the hell out of each other.
True friendship.
What's a few million between two billionaires? 😁
to them loosing a couple million dollars is like losing a pawn in a game of chess
It’s wonderful how CZcams recommends me a 11 year old video
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@@ElitePlaysz 😐
@@carlos0915munoz Time flies
@@carlos0915munoz 14* 😢
Comments you representing in between conversation made this video very Unique. Especially the Last one Make Love , not War😍✌
I’m unsure as to why this has been recommended to me but the random recommended videos are always interesting
mhm
This video speaks the truth. If Steve and Bill were truly against each other, then let me ask you this. Why did things like Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and others.... a Microsoft product, work with Macs? On the other hand, why did Apple products, such as iTunes, iPhones, iPads, what have you, work on computers with Windows?
Speaking for myself, I am a Mac user. Why? It is just my preference, I grew up with them, I have found them to be easier to use and I just like the functionality of them better. Are they more expensive? Absolutely. That being said.... I do not change or update hardware as often as some other Mac users do. I am running on an iMac from 2009, and it still works just as it should. I am still on OS X 10.9.5. Why? Because it works just fine, and I don't see a point in updating something until it ABSOLUTELY needs it.
If I am ever in a computer room/lab, and the only option was to use a computer with Windows, I will GLADLY use one of them.
Because if MS could make money out of Apple, why the hell they shouldn't??
The answer to your question is no programing is truly original, It comes down to algorithms and how hardware executes the code. Never the less its all binary at heart.
i break babies mac has the same Intel crap just extra overpriced :@
***** yes its the same ducks in different rows
Even more significantly. back in 1983 Steve and Bill did work together to make the Mac become successful. There was a TV show where Steve said that in order for Mac to be successful he would need three software CEOs, Bill is one of them and he say that in front of Bill himself.
Finally 13 years completed of this meet-ups
This is kind of like modern day with iOS and Android. It's almost always about the software and not the hardware. Which they both pretty much do the same things. It's just preference to what somebody uses, and just because somebody uses one side or the other, it doesn't mean that they have to hate the other one. Let people use what OS they want and go on about your day.
The difference between them is that Bill Gates was a programmer as well as the co-founder of Microsoft while Steve Jobs was a Marketing genius behind Apple's success. Bill has the upper hand here.
Been along for this ride for many years. Now I use Linux.
Both are fantastic computers! I use both on a daily basis and I can say that both Mac and PC are both great in their own ways.👍
I love seeing these 2 together
why am i getting this 13 years later
Your profile pic is now a screenshot of your most viewed video.
holy shit, a 2008 video with windows movie maker
And steve jobs comparing pcs from the 80s with 120kb to 1gb or 2gb of ram ddr1/2 800mhz (2006) and now that a consumer can get up to 64Gb 3600mhz ram, i wish steve was able to see the limits of moore's law
Both guys were smart enough to know that anything but a symbiotic relationship would be MAD
for you wich is better, Mac or Pc?
1990's microsoft vs apple
2018 samsung vs apple
samsungs better
If Steve Jobs was around, our iPhone's would still have headphone jacks
John Smithee and they’d still have 3.5 - 4” displays (which is somewhat okay in my opinion)
would that be good or bad?
I don’t think so. Steve Jobs was an envelope pushing opportunist. If he could do it, he would. iPhone exploded and it’s gotten better. Steve Jobs I’m sure would have wanted feedback from customers such as longer battery life. If it gives users an extra 3-4 hours of battery life by removing the headphone jack, you think Steve Jobs wouldn’t take that compromise?
Back then the competition was even higher than now.
Unbelievable that i have not seen this part of the interview yet :D
When you realize Gold Roger and Garp once teamed up…
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2:32 Coming up next on "Women really aren't respected by most men."
Thank God. 98% have nothing meaningful to say
True. I mean they both offer a rich competition. And believe me when I say that, I personally think both of the OS have their pros and cons. And you couldn't go wrong by choosing either one of them for your personal use.
This was the year that bill sounded and looked most like kermit
All the dislikes are from Linus guys haha
***** yes good point, i meant most users on ubuntu right now; stereotypically they hate windows and mac
+Electric Vez No.. Mac is UNIX based, it's different from linux. Linux is UNIX *LIKE*
Edmund The Fox Linux Is Not UniX. It has monolithic kernel while Unix-like OS has distributed one
MacOS is based on linux...
@@SimonLedoux MacOS is based on BSD, which is based on Unix. Linux was designed to be similar to Unix but isn't actually a derivative of it.
If i were to describe myself, i am bill gates when i try to tell a very good and inspiring story to either my client, friend or audiences. I wish my brain could keep up with what i wanted to say :(
I like that these two giants of the tech industry sound like kids doing a powerpoint presentation when you put them together.
the quality of this video reminds me of my childhood
"Had"
Xeros leaves the chat.
Two Legends together.
I love how CEOs get along, even though their respective businesses aren’t very friendly with each other
All i can say is, just use whatever computer you're comfortable with. There shouldn't be a competition of whose better because both can deliver. Stop comparing.
My god their relationship is soo deep and inspiring!....why do people keep fighting over mac and Pc
part of being a good fan is being humble, and not boasting too much, yet being supportive. and (here's the big one) truthful. for me the truth is I will always want mac stuff, and why? "because".need I say more?
backthen steve was focusing on hardware and its exclusive platform, the other hand bill was focusing on the software that works on all hardware or platform
Bill gates is humble compared to Steve Jobs.
Yes... I prefer Steve Job he is so tough
Bill gates is just as much a ball buster as Steve Jobs. However, Steve Jobs appears to have "seen some things".
Watching their expressions, it's clear that Bill was the alpha in the room.
lol wrong
@@OS-yg9fr BS - Jobs was still preening for him. You really don't know the backstory. Jobs returned as interim CEO to Apple in early 1997, after being ousted by the Board years before. His company was faltering badly in 1997 b/c of some poor product decisions and needed money. Gates and Microsoft offered $150M which the company accepted. There is the infamous live-stream of Gates at the Macworld conference - a huge screen behind Jobs - in which Gates is smiling and gloating as the Apple fateful boo him.
In other words, Gates saved Apple's (and Job's) ass. Gates has always owned Jobs in a way.
two legends who turned the world into super fast..
Does anyone know what the chair brands/models are?
As a computer history buff, PhD in Comp Eng, etc., I see what you are trying to say and do here. The merits of your argument are completely valid and are in fact the only way to truthfully depict the history of personal computing with respect to the two companies. But anyone with any sensibility will be turned off to your (valid and singularly correct) argument firstly because the video's title basically orders the viewer to do something that, until hearing an argument, they may not agree with. So those with a differing (and again, incorrect) view of personal computing history start the consideration of your arguments points with a bias against them. Second, most point of your (again, correct) argument contain the phrase 'you people' . It's just a phrase that makes nobody happy. I'd suggest "Those who think it's a war between Mac and PC". 'You people' even says to people who agree with you that you think your arguments and way of thinking are beyond reproach. In summary, you sound like an arrogant elitist who thinks they are above everyone else. This may or may not be true but it's never something that's helpful in convincing others to change their views on anything. It shouldn't prevent someone from changing their views either...but most people allow their emotions to interfere with rational thought ... Just trying to help you make the argument and change many more minds in in the future .
You talk nonsense, PhD from the peoples republican party of nigeria's university
I really wish Steve Jobs was still around, that was when Apple was at its best, but ever since his passing I personally feel like the company is being greedy in many ways. It was so hard for me to just convert to PC, because I used Macs so much and I loved them.
@Humberto Fernandez yes but if steve was here that wont be the case
Just to let you know, you dont need the text in the front of the video, we can all perfectly understand and figure things out through context of the video
I agree, you can use boot loader or parallels virtual machine to run windows on mac.
technology banter
YO GUYS WELCOME BACK TO ANOTHER EPISODE OF QUARANTINE VIDEOS
i have a mac and windows destop side by side and i have syned both the video on both of them and enjoying it
After seeing the movie about Steve jobs life I thought him and Bill hated each other. I know the book said Steve jobs was very hard to work with and a big time A hole. It's really nice to hear from Steve himself that he called Bill to patch things. Especially someone with Steve's Ego.
128K lol. I have 11.5 TB's hooked up to my Macmini...!
Wonder what the conclusions of the video editor would've been after mac anouncing its $6,000 mac pro with $5,000 screen and $1,000 stand!
tbh, the screen looks promising.. but that $1000 stand.. cant help it anymore
Who cares, still way cheaper than first computers, only poor people complain about prices of things
Instead think how can I make that money to buy that thing
Uh, I see a 35,000$ display over there?
Got this in recommended after 12yrs
good enough to know nothing else matters than idea.
My thoughts:
Who compares mac vs pc ?!
I surely heard about mac vs Microsoft !
L. MorningStar what? Apple themselves did it.
Remember the ”PC guy” ads that Apple used to run in the 00s? Where they compared ”macs to PCs”
Even though Apple started out calling their machines PCs in the 70s/80s - in the 90s the language changed and people started to distinguish the terms, Macs started to become a separate term and PC most often referred to non-mac operating systems.
@@BenRangel that's so racist of them😅
since steve jobs died apple went downhill
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sa3melly priced PCs are just better
Mog Hammer if you think about it pc in a long shot is more expensive
Tell that to Mac Pro 2013
Or iPhone 5S
Or iPad Air
Do you know that you can run windows on mac using boot loader to play and run windows applications?
Bill likes to have fun and Steve has never understood what fun is.
Without these two we'd still being using archaic hardware and software.
Agreed
+stockjonebills Not really, other people would have assumed their roles and done what they did, probably in a different way however.
Km599 how long would that have taken? Most big iron fortune 500 companies had no real foresight or vision for personal computing. Xerox could have been Apple or Microsoft but we all know about their oversight with Parc.
Thank you for making Windows it changed our world!!!!! and made me lots of money ;-)
Walt Mossberg (the journalist or interviewer) say in a documentary that he has heard them both say really bad things about the other. Still, the CEO's of both companies having a king of friendship, doesn't keep away the fact that both OS's have theri strong points (and for Windows that's mainly that it is not locked to a piece of hardware), and therefore there will always be a discussion of which one is best suited.
you can see how steve is the entertainer and bill knows all the technical stuff
Anyone noticed how intent Steve looked at Bill in that one moment? He truly admired Bill for the same reason he was admired. Brilliant minds think alike folks. we should all learn from this and start sharing ideas instead of dollars for when you share a dollar, you still have... a dollar... when you share an idea, both now now have... 2 ideas.. it’s beautiful... cherish these moments, and make them your own.
The world got very gray when we lost Steve Jobs. Thank God we now have Elon Musk.
It's like the beatles and stones they never fought or were rivals
It's funny how 1 to 2 gbs of memory seemed like a lot during the time of the interview when most commerical computers today have an average of 8 to 12 gbs . Really shows you how fast computer technology advances.
More like 16
It's a bit of a tear jerker to see Bill Gates and Steve Jobs laughing and talking together....gosh I hate fan boys.
PC = Personal Computer = Mac ..
Mackintosh computer
*Mac*instosh
I wonder how uncomfortable this interview would be today with Satya and Tim
320p res or not, I want to see the full-length video of that. Link, anyone?
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