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- James May joins the legendary Dickie Atwood to race the Porsche 917 against Neel Jani and the Porsche 911 GT2RS.
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Once a racing driver, always a racing driver. No matter the age.
It's fake
@@backhing911 Our need for your dumbass opinion is fake.
Altostratus1992 well he did have more time to practice
Right on
Kyron Caunt f*ck the haters, once a mug always a mug to kill a comment.
I've never seen anything cooler than 78 year old Richard Attwood driving a 917 fast wearing a flatcap
Me too! Old school!
You KNOW he's still got the driving instinct with the subtle and unconcerned way he checks the mirrors at 0:54
He drove this car when winning Le man was worth more than the value of the car! Makes sense why he drove it that way.
Even got away with refusing to wear a helmet.
i dont think you can fit in with a helmet 😂
That's what happens when you're a badass.
Trust me, that flat cap is both Snell and ECE safety rating approved.
he had one on
To be fair if he crashed it would be his feet going up in to his head rather than something coming down on it lol. I think this was one of my top tv moments :)
That old man had so much fun. It was so enjoyable for me, to watch him, racing his car again. Thank you, James May.
Yes this was remarkable.
They are the greatest generation in terms of how hard they worked and the things the brought to the world we now take for granted. Our grandparents were the best ever.
that old man got 100x more balls than me goddamn...
Old man? You mean Richard Atwood?
The "old man" IS still racing cars, mostly the sort of cars he drove back then, like a 1965 BRM P261 Formula 1 car.
Anyone else get goosebumps when Dickie put the hammer down going down the first straight?
Yes. This is my all time favorite clip from the boys.
I did
Big time
Oh definitely props to the guy who edited that clip together, emphasizing the mechanical sounds of the car going all out
Big time
More of this type of thing please!!! This was one of the best segments of the season!!
One of the best segments these guys have ever come up with.
Good old rusty better than modern cars
Great race !!! Ever
The airport bit was hilarious as well. Very enjoyable episode over all.
Totally agree. Who owns number 20? 😉
😂: When Porsche let an 78 y.o man race their most valued historic race car but won't let Richard Hammond have a little drive around.
Yeah but that car was that 78 year olds car when he was a professional racing driver for Porsche. So it’s not really that surprising.
Yet Harris got given the 962 and told to spank it til it breaks (which it didn't)... maybe Hammond just has a reputation as a car breaker?
@@richardharrold9736 he has reputation of car crasher
He's the one who won le man in 1970 with that beast. If there are anybody who's gonna drive it, he is.
500features the 78 yr old is legend
can i point out how AMAZING dickie was driving that car?..it must be years/decades since he drove that/that fast..but he was just flying!!!
Well... he actually still races regularly in historic racing events and such, like the Goodwood festival of speed. He also used to own the car he drove in this clip... he sold it in 2000. But indeed very amazing he can still think and thus drive that fast at his age...
Was great to see him going. And he still have that fighting spirit. Like how he closed the door and pushed Jani outside. Great guy and great car.
Not only is Richard Attwood still races in historic events, he's still racing with the intent to win!
@@jcgabriel1569 once a racer always a racer. Respect
He raced in a Gulf 917 at Le Mans Classic in 2010
On new rubber, rather than hard old stuff, the 917 would eat the Gt2. The modern car is excellent but a proper race would see the 917 disappear.
The tires themselves are new in the 917, they just mean new rubber as in modern compounds and construction. It’s not like they are using 50 year old tires on the 917.
@@shantygaming694 There would be no chance with the weight of the 917 in a proper race.
ShantyGaming well 917 has stupid wide tires, but small in diameter. I guess nobody makes slicks in this shape
@@shantygaming694 That's exactly what he means.
I want to see Porsche 917 vs GT2RS in La Sarthe Circuit... For this video circuit maybe the 917/30 Can-Am is better...
I'm pretty sure Dickie let the other guy win.
"the other guy" is neel jani, a le mans winning porsche factory driver who set the record breaking time at spa in the 919 evolution. I'm pretty sure the entire thing was scripted.
That and the fact that the 917 is objectively faster.
@@justinl2009 In a Drag Race maybe, but as much as i love the 917, it wouldn't stand a chance on the Nordschleife against the hightech 992 GT2 RS. You have to keep in mind, that there is a gap of 50 Years in Car Development, no matter how much the 917 crushed is rivals back in his time.
Maximilian Bönicke but you have to remember, the 917 is 1000kg lighter! And with around the same hp numbers, there is no way in hell a proper race car like the 917 would lose a proper race vs a gt2rs even if it is 50 years old
It was obvious, every time 917 gets far ahead, screen is cut and suddenly they are neck to neck.
The sound of that 917...my God !
PAKA757 0:35 💦
To see the unbridled joy on Richard Atwood's face, when he let that old girl rip..... Brought a tear to me eye 🙂.
One of the best episode from this season
one of the best episodes from the entire series, and as good as some old Top Gear ones.
The 917 is just brilliant
That old guy was flying
Richard Attwood! Race car driver...once a pro, always a pro!
@@3ccl6 that is the closest race ive ever seen between 2 cars which have more than 40 + year difference :)
Richard Attwood STILL races cars... At the Goodwood Revival he's known to race the BRM p261 F1 car that he used to drive back in the mid 1960s!!!
@@aleksandaraleksic4067 actually it can because of the technology used in GTRS series. On the other hand 917 is simply lightweight yet more power to weight ratio so.
@A real bisexual petrol-head no no no dicky lifted and let him though
Dicky is the Man ! Legend! Get him on the show again
"Boys, I'm 78 years old. I'm not wearing a damned helmet. Get stuffed. If I die, you know I went out doing what I loved".
That's about how I imagined that conversation going...
Add a few 'fucks' in that and it would be practically accurate.
0:34 The 917 overtaking at the start!! I screeched so much at that!!! (917 is my favorite car of all time, and seeing it in action like that was… just perfect)
great porsche ever made
Just watched this episode. I was actually in awe as I saw Dickie flying down the track in his Porsche 917 at his age! What a legend!
That laugh at 1:25 says it all. Just that Mr. Atwood wanted the driver keep his job or else the 917 would have eaten the GT2RS.
Legendary.
Captain slow vs captain fast
The ONLY thing that would have made this better would have been to capture Mr dickies reaction when he got out of the car.
Amazing piece of filming this but was really, really waiting to hear and see a short snippet of Mr dickie (or whatever his name was) after he got out of that car. The emotions this old man got from this must have been a class of its own, damn this was beautiful.
"Mr Dickie" was Richard Attwood who won Le Mans in 1970 in, yep, a 917.
Christopher Newman I didn’t mean any disrespect to him at all, just couldn’t remember the name as I was writing. The old man for sure ticks all the legend boxes!
@@bj6469 Oh, l didn't think you meant disrespect; just a lot of people wouldn't be familiar with Attwood, that's all. 🙂
@@bj6469 It's a pretty beautiful thought, but... He still works for Porsche to this day, and gets to take one of these out once or twice a year for events like Goodwood.
Dickie driving his 917 is just priceless. This is by far my favorite episode of the season!
How to tell that the driver in the 917 is oldschool? No helmet and a lot of guts!!!
Oldschool with tonnes of skills!!
Hell yeah!
Insurance would not allow Atwood to wear a helmet, otherwise he would have crossed the line first. 🤣
I believe that Dickie let the GT2 RS win. No way, the GT2 could have won this challenge. The 917 has almost twice the power and half the weight. Porsche probably instructed Dickie to let the GT2 to pass him on the last lap. They let their new car be beaten by the 58 year old car.
The gt2 has modern tyres, it would win just because of that. It also has traction control
That overtake at 0:36 always gives me the goosebumps!
I liked the episode, but I’m 100% sure the producers told Dicky to let the GT2 win. That 917 is infinitely faster than that road car and would’ve blown it out of the water if he was left to race at 100%. Still great to see him driving that car again
Everything aside it was the battle of tires that the 917k didn't have that's why gt2rs won it is like racing a fat guy in sports shoes while the other person is wearing heels
0:34 every time I watch this that scene gives me goosebumps
I met Atwood at Donington about 15 years ago, he would have been in his early to mid 60s then. Really modest, unassuming bloke, then 10 mins later went out and won the historic F1 race in an ex-Jackie Stewart BRM. Once a racer always a racer
Who else would like to see an uncut lap from this race?
619 BHP in a 827 KG car is bloody mental and Dicky knew what to do with it. The GT2 wasn't exactly getting away from the 917 and at 78 years old he wasn't afraid to push it
Now THAT was AMAZING! Two great Porsches of two separate generations, dueling against each other. THAT's what you call, "Meat On The BONE!"
If Porche had any sense they would be using this clip as the perfect marketing material for their company
Mr. Attwood is such an impressive man , this video gives me chills watching him thrash that masterpiece around again.
The music fits the intense race so well!
In case anyone is wondering what the track is:
Public Service Broadcasting - All Out
Love that somebody on the team must love public service broadcasting: 'gagarin' shows up in another episode
Dickie Attwood, Off the chain!
hats & helmets off to you Sir
🎉🎊👏🎩👏🎊🎉
A 78 year old driver
In an old Porsche 917
Against what’s supposed to be the pinnacle of Porsche’s current line up
With the winner of Le Mans
And look how bloody close it is
Tell me all you want,
That 917
Is a gem
That and Dickie was the first that showed how terrifying the 917 when he own le man in1970
Absolutely loved this segment, hats off to Mr. Atwood! He is the living definition that age is just a number!
I find it very inspiring to see a guy 78 still tearing around a racetrack. As I get older i really admire older guys who still have it!
I’m going to go out on a limb, and say they were probably babying that 917 a bit?
Cuz you know....it’s kinda priceless!
Agreed. How does the 911 that weighs 600 kilos more (albeit 100 more hp) possibly beat the 917, especially in a straightaway.
Steve Webber Exactly!
Yeah.. I really think this was purposely staged. That 917 would OWN that GT2 RS!
If dickie had another few laps for more practice around the circuit, I'm pretty confident he and the 917 would have won. The 917's power to weight is off the charts compared to the 911, but perhaps the old school tires and lack of modern traction control systems didn't let it take as much speed through the corners.
0:34 is just spine tingling, an absolutey beautiful sound
That 917 is spectacular! There is a place here in Australia that builds road legal replicas, dream car for sure!
The first minute gave me absolute goosebumps all over! What a legend! Car and driver!
The full segment was a wonderful companion piece to the segment James did the season prior on the Ford GT40 and its trials and tribulations at LeMans. James was always secretly the best presenter on Top Gear, but also went on to have the best segments on The Grand Tour. I kinda wish he got to do a followup segment with the Can-Am version of the 917 that Mark "Captain Nice" Donohue drove and coined the term "The Unfair Advantage"
The cinematography here with these cars was exhilarating!
A massive respect to you Mr Atwood
Interestingly that model 917 had a top speed of ~ 222 mph (at Le Mans) on 1970 tires whereas the 991.2 GT2 RS is electronically limited to 211 mph by Porsche over "tire concerns". I have read without the limiter that the GT2 RS is also a 222 mph car.
you should do a mini documentary on Colin McRae
Even being staged, was a cool video.
Yes. Another drive who was bat shit crazy!
This should be a CZcams series reuniting retired racers with their favourite cars of their career and just let them have a day going hell for leather with it, talking about how they'd feel the night before, how it felt the first time they fired it up and put in gear, how scary it was those times it let go but overall how much those cars became parts of their soul, how they loved and hated them in equal measure, how they made them cry when they failed and bawl when they came through and were the hero they needed...
We need this channel...
Holy shit getting a chance to drive 917 in 2019
It had to cost them a lot but this is something that is worth it
1:00 He‘s Like: „I still know ALL the tricks, Junior!!“
That was impressive! 917 with modern tires would've won that. It's amazing how that thing could turn in those corners.
The GT2 would lose in a drag race, around the corners and braking. There's a major difference between a ground up purpose built race car vs. any street car. 917 is quicker, 40+mph higher top speed (which means 60-180+ is much faster), runs slicks (I don't believe they make street tires that will fit), the tires are bigger on the 917. 917 is much lighter, which also means it's going to stop quicker, with less to get around the corners. There is literally no aspect of racing where GT2 is going to have a chance accept driving comfort. Fun video though, nice to see Dicky out having fun again but like pretty much everything that gets fed to the population, true or not, it all has to have a corporate message. In this case, new is better than old.
This has to be the best episode (pause) in the wooorld!!!! 😃🎉🍻
James May you idiyet
hamoond you ideiyt
Sent chills down my spine, ol'mate dicky still got all his skill. That wasnt a quick race, that was a fight.
917K, probably one of Porsche's best design.
Dicky was a fantastic racing driver and he’s still got it at one point in this video it looked like James went cross eyed
We should have seen more from Mr. Attwood's driving.
0 chance the 911 would beat the 917 in a real race, especially at le mans. It's much lighter with racing tires at 600hp. It also tops out at 250mph.
This is now my favourite video on all of youtube. Gotta love a Porsche 917K in Gulf livery
This video shows how far we have come with technology but it also shows that just because something is old, doesnt mean it can't keep up. Love it
tires makes a world of difference. if 917 has any kind of decent rubber it would still kick 911 GT2RS's butt. :)
Yeah it may be true but if they were in a less twisty circuit the Legend itself would have win without even being floored. And im not even meaning Le Mans... Spa would have been enough.
Fun Facts about Dickie:
-Dickie has an illegitimate son that works on some other car show Top Brake I think called The Stig or something.
-Before filming this scene, they tried to make Dickie wear a helmet but his Flatcap was outrage and ate it.
-The 917 ran out of fuel halfway through the race, so it began to run off of Dickie's pure insanity
These are 100% accurate and if you disagree, you have the right to your opinion.
The old car looks better in my opinion
True
And sounds better
well it would be worrying if a flat 12 didnt sound better lol
917: A true legend!
Agree!
The whole season has been great, but this episode was absolutely fantastic. None of the unnecessary filler stuff that some episodes seem to suffer from. 10/10.
Great vid, but Porsche wouldn’t allow the old to beat the new, no doubt about it. Advances in handling and brakes are no match for almost twice the power to weight ratio
This was actually the best race in honor of a car, mostly because it’s driver, thank you GT
I think the 917 would smoke GT2 RS really
Yeah it would, absolutely no comparison between the two cars. If the 917 was fully race ready with a competitive younger driver at the wheel, there's absolutely no way that 911 would keep up.
I want to see Porsche 917 vs GT2RS in La Sarthe Circuit... For this video circuit maybe the 917/30 Can-Am is better...
78 yr old pro slinging a 50 yr old multimillion dollar race car around a track.
And no helmet......... what a badass
I think it's safe to say that they were going easy on each other, for obvious reasons. Flat out, as a time trial, my money is on the 917
This is my favorite segment, Top Gear or Grand Tour. You're the best, May.
It's key to remember that drivers back in the day had no fear with the constant risk of dying
Please sweep up the cutting room floor and release more of Atwood’s onboard camera footage. This was amazing!!
917 such a dominant car. They changed regulations to stop 917 from winning on le mans
They did the same for 787b Mazda.
Had the honour of having Mr Atwood take me for a drive(private track) in a 911 turbo several years ago.Amazingly smooth and the speed just built and built.Embarrassingly, as I was only 2 when he won LeMans, I didn't recognise him, but thought I knew the name!Had to ask and only then did he say what he had done 45ish years earlier.(I think it was just after he sold his 917(retirement fund))
the 917 is so low and compact in comparison to the 911
exactly how a racecar should be!
BTW: ATTWOOD and HERRMANN won in 1970 the LeMans with a 917K. (K for kurz, shorttail).
The famous 917L with Steve McQueen in 1971. (LeMans movie)
If he's 78 and can do that anything is possible
Are you American?
I'm using this to inspire my wife to learn how to cook properly....
Incorrect. 1% only ever reach this level and retain it for life. 78 and and still going strong.
if take care of your body and mind, yes
M Zaid where did that come from?
0:34 my whole body felt that sound man
I don't think the 917 was really going for it.
Hats off to the hatted one. Most young people today couldn’t dream of handling a car with that much power the way he did without all the gadgetry that keeps them from wrecking.
78 and still better than most le man drivers today
Lol stop bullshitting
@@huleyn135 Try to be faster then
Those were different times. Drivers back then had to be willing to risk a lot more than the drivers now so, they learned how to get comfortable with pushing those cars to the limit. You can tell by watching how Dickie handled those turns.
917 has no power steering too
that defense 1:00 was really good
What a legend Dickie and in style with no helmet. The days when the driver was one with the car and there were no embedded chips assisting drivers. Pure talent
I feel like that was staged, which it probably was. I mean they had all those camera angles, so they probably didn't even shoot all the scenes in the same race. The thing that didn't make sense to me was that when the 911 finally passed the 917 on the final straight to the finish at ~1:49, the 917 didn't just pass the 911 again on the straight... the 917 accelerates way faster than the 911 and I'm sure that if Dickie had floored it he would have re-passed the 911 to the finish. Just my two cents.
I agree. Totally edited video. Of course we shouldn't expect anything different...
Agreed but it was bloody entertaining!
Chris Neale indeed.
That hit @ 0:33 with the 917 screaming and the music gets me every time
Yes but the 917 wins because of that sound
Troy22U
: It would have anyway if this was not scripted!
Who says your reflexes diminish with age? Dickie Atwood, we salute you sir!
Dont know where you got that 1830 kg from but you can drive the GT2 RS at 1500 kg lol
Ikr wtf, not even with the driver and passenger.
More like 1300 kgs to be precise.
@@auz17 true but that's dry weight. U cant drive without fluids😅
@@mikef1848 😁😁 mate, still 1350 tops?
If the race took place at La Sarthe, the 917 would annihilate the 911GT2RS, with its top speed of well over 210 mph, I mean, the new car could gain during braking and cornering, but in the straights, I do not think it will stand a chance. Especially if the 917 driver is one of the two drivers who drove it to victory way back in 1970.
Damn I'm impressed by Dickie!👏
You can be old but still not lose sense of competition and fun. Thank you for this very original video and I wish Mr Attwood a long life.
Too bad it wasn't LeMans or Nurburgring. That 917 would eat that GT3 for lunch
It's a gt2
@@deathzoom9860 Clarkson: same thing, whatever
@@jamaly77 NOT the same thing at all. It's turbocharged and has 40% more power. It is a murderous brute in inexpert hands.
You literally couldn’t have named two more different tracks.
@@JFein agreed, and it wouldn't matter, the GT2 would still win quite handily IMO, modern aerodynamics, brakes, suspension etc give the gt2 way too big of an advantage.
This clip puts a massive smile on my face every time I watch it.
The GT2RS weights 1470 dry. WTF James
Its 1470 with full tank and fuels 👍
@@MrR0sch Ikr, how it it 1800KG lol. 😂
plus 2 guys? it still wont go to 1,8 tons but comes close
@@MrR0sch it's 1470 dry
Uponn1 cars weight with a full tank is 1470kg. No person weighs 330kg . An average human weight is 60kg.
Atwood's cheeky smile when he slams the door on the youngster... 😆
The 917 should've absolutely obliterated the 911 on every straight even if they tied in the turns though, or am I mistaken?
Yes if it wasn't for detune they did to that car. Porsche 917 has an engine that is usually producing between 1100HP to 1580HP.
The 917 in this video is said to have a laughable 621HP, so the power is brought down just so GT2 RS isn't completely overshadowed by pure race car.
This film quite literally brought tears to my eyes.
I was thinking that’s a bit heavy when James said the 911 weighed 1800kg 🤔 he’s wrong it’s around 1500kg
1470
That's dry... Dry weight... Not with liquids
Or people, protective gear, film equipment, etc.
Well, according to Porsches website it weighs about 1545kg (EU standards). This is still quite heavy. But the 1.8t is the maximum allowed weigh.
Probably he count it with both driver and passenger
Dickie Atwood…what a total legend