Mindset SECRETS From The World's Best Ultrarunner: Courtney Dauwalter | Rich Roll Podcast
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- Humble master of mental grit and boundary-busting physical prowess, Courtney Dauwalter is the world’s best female ultrarunner-and when it comes to races 200 miles and longer-the best period. Today she joins Rich for a deep dive into her storied career, intuitive training style, & unique perspective on pain. For show notes & to read more about Courtney👉🏾bit.ly/richroll618
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00:00:00 - Introduction
00:02:36 - Courtney’s Intuitive Training Method
00:10:48 - What Gives Courtney Her Advantage?
00:12:43 - The Pain Cave
00:18:02 - Rich Joins Iron Cowboy for his Conquer 100 Quest
00:18:15 - The Iron Cowboy
00:19:44 - The Effect of Saying Something Aloud
00:22:00 - Male vs. Female in Ultras
00:27:23 - Courtney on Joe Rogan
00:27:24 - Colorado 500 Mile Trail Attempt
00:33:01 - Which Race Format Is Her Favorite
00:44:15 - Voicing Change
00:45:13 - What Has Courtney Learned the Past Few Years?
00:46:47 - They Should Test Courtney's Brain
00:47:05 - Dr Andrew Huberman
00:51:28 - Courtney's First Race
00:55:31 - Barkley Marathons
01:03:47 - 21 People Die in China Ultramarathon
01:06:05 - Ironman Partnering with UTMB
01:07:31 - Courtney's Preparation for Hardrock and UTMB
01:10:00 - Naomi Osaka
01:11:27 - Courtney's Approach to Social Media
01:12:16 - Rich Joins the Salomon Team
01:13:36 - Backyard Challenges
01:16:28 - Amelia Boone
01:17:19 - Ultra Running in the Future
01:19:27 - Courtney's Experiences with Hallucinations and Blindness
01:28:10 - Accomplishing Goals in Running Transferring to Other Areas of Life
01:32:13 - Less Career Longevity in Ultras
01:34:46 - Gear Courtney Uses
01:36:07 - Closing Remarks
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Not an elite runner. She’s an elite human. Inspiring
Truth
@Randy Lahey What's unhealthy about being an elite human?
@Randy Lahey so is drinking and smoking which most people do in their life, ultras are hard on the body but she knows what she's doing
I wonder if there is one thing in her diet still or one thing she’s not saying or it’s her long time in training… rich did a great job digging some gems out .. I saw a few of her interviews - she’s very pregamed for them mentally she’s great a not saying too much or wrong thing - def elite human
@Randy Lahey also it may not be if you get there incrementally …. I mean you may grow into it.. I think I’m her case that’s definitely large slice of pie
"I'm not laughing, I'm just awkward". I felt that.
She is like Alex Honnold. Doesn't think too much, just smiles and does her thing. That's the mentality that can make you do great things, but what is much more important is it saves you from stress.
Was gonna say she definitely reminds me of Alex.
Very true, although sometimes I think Alex is much more hardcore behind the scenes
@@tylerodell3368 might be depending on what hardcore means to every person. 'd say the main superpower these people have is the lack of overthinking or doubting. i wrote overanalysing first but then I realised it takes a lot of analyses to figure out a bouldering problem or a training plan for the day. but then, they somehow manage to not involve too many of the negative emotions in it with people who are more like me, I am a very doubtful, insecure, overanalyzing person who has problems making decisions. so I am so envious of people who are like this.
Alex is missing a sensitivity chip that Courtney possesses, no comparison
@@laurafasc6926 hilarious to see someone talk down on someone else without citing an instance. Criticism is fine, but you cant throw shade without an argument. It's extremely disrespectful. I would read any criticism of any person, and it's fine with evidence, but what you just did is really stupid.
longest run before watching this was 3 miles ish, ran after this video for 7.4 and within the next week did first 10 mile of my life THANK YOU!
Nice dude! Keep up the awesome work
I remember when I ran for 10 miles I couldn’t even complete it without stopping but now it would just be hard
My furthest a year ago was 6 miles. I randomly went out one day and did 10. Couldn’t walk for a few days 😂 now I run 40-60 miles per week with back to back weekend runs of 10-20 miles and barely any soreness afterward
@@alexm1841 daaaang, that’s sick 🙏 hope I can get my mileage up there w you
@@phillipjacowski I started with 12 miles for my first week. 6 was my long run. There’s a book called Running your First Marathon by Andrew Castor. That will help a lot. You can also go based off of time and build that way. Research progressive overload with running and the 3 weeks on 1 week recovery rule
Nothing makes me want run out the front door and into the woods more than listening to podcasts with Courtney. Can't wait for this!
ay mumbo
Mumbo's here
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Honestly not surprised that you watch the RRP mumbo! Seems right up your alley. Do you listen to podcasts during hermitcraft time-lapses still?
good luck on your run...
Her approach and where she's at says it all. We have such an addiction to analysis, preparation, trying to figure things out. Which mostly, all resides outside of the present moment. Spend more effort doing and less focus on trying to figure it out. Courtney may not even realize that she's a zen master😂🧝♀️🧘♀️
I was reading a book about "Happiness"(and how to be happy) last night and just gave up reading the book. It was exhausting and I was only a quarter of the way through. Listening to Courtney on my run today reminded me to connect with the emotional pleasure and fun of running. Just be and enjoy.
My thoughts also, I suspect there's an inverse correlation between how others see your process and your internal metronome; sure hope nobody ever convinces her to follower the analysis-paralysis route. Keep winning Courtney and leave the rest to the Scientists with their reagents!
Static training plans are uneffective, they only act upon performance loss or increase delayed or not at all. Also it kills your fun for what you are doing... with basic boundaries and a driven attitude you get further in my opinion.
Rich is very curious about her process and I can see him try to pick her brain more but that's what happens when you talk to a natural, her answers may seem basic or unsatisfactory to those who need more analysis. I saw her in Joe Rogan and it's the same, genuine answers, and she's not scared to tell people about her "basic" process.
This is especially a problem in the age of CZcams influencers where they have these fitness channels with hundreds of videos that obsess over every minuscule detail of exercise to get you to click on their videos. In reality it only needed to be like a dozen videos but they'd stop making money if they stopped making content thus the vast sea of useless information.
See how we have this "need" to break her apart and find why Courtney is so good??? She's so good because she is in touch with her true nature. The human mind just doesn't want to hear that. What an amazing human.
Goggins came from tragedy, Courtney came from wholesomeness. That's the difference in their mental setup. Both amazing!
Goggins do it for strong mind, her just do it for fun😂
Her doing it for the jelly beans.
Both are very valid ways to become the best of the best, but neither could live in each others headspace and succeed
I don’t subscribe to goggins BS. Sure he runs far and works out hard, he also had a fragile ego, gets his feelings hurt and acts like a baby all the time. His story is a sob story ( we all have shit on our lives) I don’t like his attitude and think he is pretentious. Courtney is too genuine.
@@philibertorodrigo7118 I think they are both genuine in their own ways. Of course Goggins in fragile he tells people all the time he is. Atleast he’s honest about it. I respect honesty. His motivation to push himself is to push past his emotional ego. I have nothing but respect for that. That being said you have to also remember he says that he doesn’t mean to be an exact blueprint of a workout plan, or how to run a marathon. He admits most people shouldn’t want to damage their body the way he has.
I love how Courtney has this presence of just figuring it out and and trusting in herself to figure it out that Rich will never understand. With his attempts to shoot out his perceptions and fears onto her, she just has such a innocent answer that you can literally see his brain not conceptualizing.
She is my inspiration for my mindset that maybe we should just start making things simple and not wasting energy thinking about it and just trust ourself to figure it out.
- Do, not think.
- Get to your scary part faster and then make friends with it.
- When your in a situation, get to the facts and control what you can control.
That was my take, too! I felt like he didn't really understand her lol
@@jillsorbera7247 same!
Totally right? I found him a bit patronising (I’m sure he didn’t mean to be), almost like he couldn’t compute her method and mindset. She’s got the right vibe alright….
I don't think anyone understands how she is so much better than everyone else. It's not surprising really
bring Courtney and goggins together. I think it'll be an interesting conversation...2 completely different perspectives.
I agree!
But imagine the two had a baby.....
@@kaikohl973 the baby would take steroids and beat the bench press record of how many reps in 1hour at age 9 …. and be happy about the cramps after😂😂😂
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@@TruTube.1. what about Rich’s two on one interview with Matt Frazier and Robert Cheeke? Chill your vibe dude, no reason to explode like that
Me: it's drizzling a bit outside, maybe I won't go for a walk after all
Courtney: goes blind during race ten miles from finish line and finishes anyways
What an incredible person. Very inspiring.
Courtney is in my opinion probably the most wholesome person in any sport. Amazingly positive attitude, down to earth, and such an amazing athlete. Such an inspiration and a person everyone should strive to aspire to be like!
Awesome!
Courtney's definitely one of those who's inspired me along the way, her personality is so down to earth! Did my first 50k this jan, hoping to do more soon!
Congratulations, Melissa! Very impressive.
Awesome Melissa
Thank you so much!!
That’s awesome!!!! Congratulations:))))
Congratulations, very impressed
Wow, her chill personality is almost as cool as her kickass endurance running mastery! What an inspiration she is. One of my favorite people.
It's called "gratitude". Courtney is a great role model for that. As Camille Bruyas stated in her post UTMB interview when asked how she was smiling so much along the way: "I decided to run. It's a choice, so you have to feel all the nature, the people, the views, the energy...). Basically, nobody is forcing them to do this and they are thankful for the opportunity that most of the world will never experience.
I started running at 28 and had to stop at 62 because of OA in both knees - in heaven I’ll start up running again , 🥇
try transitioning to barefoot movement (not advocating for running with this condition just basic moving )
Start cycling.
I have the same problems with both of my knees. Still running but the end is near.
Cut out vegetable oils and all carbs, even potatoes, but keep all the low carb veggies of course. Also cut out all sugar of any kind except for lower sugar fruits. Probably too late to reverse most of the damage, but I Guarantee you will feel better than you have in a long time.
My dad ran for decades from his mid 20's until his 50's. In his 60s he started having knee issues and the Dr. told him the arthritis in his knees was so bad they really needed to be replaced. about 3 years ago he got on his bike a rode a little bit. He now cycles regularly 20+ miles at a time and has 0 knee issues while doing it. Give it a try!
She's right. Training by the numbers and always striving to meet those goals is a sure fire pathway to burn out.
I re-listen to this every two months I think, such a good state of mind.
I just finished a book on Zen Buddhism. The book made sense after watching 10 minutes of this episode, Courtney has it. She is a sage.
Try Thich Nhat Hanh my dear Volkan. What a cool name btw! He makes zen easy and simple to apply. He is one of the greatest masters of our time. Enjoy!
Which book?
would be interested in that book title :)
Whats the book name btw?
Being happy is so important to being successful. Courtney is a perfect example of that. So many talented people fail because the heart and happiness isn’t there.
9pm
Pppo😊
“People often sell themselves short, and setting the bar lower of what they could actually do if they went all in.” Rich thank you! Loved it-love her smiling energy, her incredible strength-from-within, and her humility. She is indeed a beautifully inspiring human being 👌🏻💖
I don't think I've ever clicked this fast. The podcast we've been waiting FOR FOREVER.
Love the visual of making the cave bigger, chiseling away at the wall, creating new space and a way forward.
I kind of wish they would go into this topic deeper as it's really fascinating to me. How to manage the negative voices better. I need some more Courtney wisdom on this.
I agree! I feel like this is a crux in her mental fortitude and would love more insight.
Courtney is like an artist really. I'm a musician and you can do music mired in the theory and obsess over what notes you are playing, or you learn it and then throw it all away at a conscious level because you have internalized it all. Then you make art. I think this is similar where Courtney has transcended the details and data and is so in tune with running that she is now just creating art in motion.
Well said.
So right.
Dude chill....it's just running past the hurting. It's not "art", it's science
I think there’s more to it than just running past the hurting. The art analogy is really applicable, especially if you apply the following definition of art: “ a skill at doing a specified thing, typically one acquired through practice.” She’s mastered the art of what she does because she really puts in the effort but she even uses the word “joy” …I haven’t seen many athletes with her aura
Yup. That was spot on.
She brings a whole new perspective to running. Its more of a spiritual experience. I'm inspired!
What I have learned is that she never judge anything, anyone and she never takes things too seriously. What a role model.
She's a breath of fresh air, great contrast with the interviewer... She's so natural and present, totally out of her ego. So inspiring.
Courtney just seems like such a likeable person who isn’t actually competitive at all. She’s just having the time of her life!
Love the reverence Rich Roll has for Courtney.
When she talks about not talking about how good or bad things are going, as well with Rich talking about the Iron Cowboy, saying all is good. It goes back to what Chadd Wright talks about with the power of the spoken word and how you can fall apart if you say something is hurting or are bad.
Yup.
Thank you! This brought me back to the Chadd Wright podcast too. That was one of my biggest takeaways from
one of Rich’s podcasts that I’ve applied myself. Awesome to hear Courtney basically say the same thing
So true. The positive vibes are real. Not voicing negative shit is something I need to take onboard personally.
Yep, Chadd Wright is a stud!!
It’s the old adage, “if you fail to plan, you succeed” 😂
Never miss a workout on the plan... cuz there's no plan.... huh. I like it. She's so humble. Have fun, learn, go... repeat.
Her energy is like none other! Her soul comes right through the screen!
Courtney + Goggins = Epic. Bring them together.
This chick rules, man. So non-nonchalant. I saw her on Rogan talking about her diet regime - it's mostly tacos and beer lol. Just proves it's all in the mind and she has transcended.
Courtney is living proof of what we all have in our hearts !! Deep down we know this that's why we love so much to hear her because something within our hearts resonates to that truth of FUN.
The planning really well, working hard hard and winning works! But at the end of life Courtney will have had a looooot of FUN every day every training, every race and WIN while others who also WIN but they missed a lot of fun while stressing on planning, ticking boxes geting dissapointed or very frustrated for not keeping up with the plan, losing race.
It same as making money. It can be fun or it ca be a lot of stress, fear, frustration. Some people win a lot of money just to prove themselves or from fear based motivation. While others just want to have a lot more fun in life. Build a business from passion, build a happy unified efficient team, enjoy serving their clients. JOY, FUN is a choice. Right? Give a like if u agree.
I had never met a sage before, then Courtney Dauwalter appeared, not in an hallucination, rather in a podcast with Rich Roll. As I enter the world of Ultra Running as a professional athlete age 57, this was priceless. Thank you to you both.
Finally! The Joe Rogan interview with her after the Moab 240 is one of the best interview on the whole internet (not sports related). I go over it over and over again, the energy is just amazing! Now another interview done the right way - great mics, long, intense and by someone who knows what they are talking about - great!
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Can’t access the full Joe Rogan interview anymore, just a 10 minute clip.
@@stacyurban4970 the full interview is on Spotify
@@stacyurban4970
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My absolute favorite part was when she talked about her diet haha.
Been a fan of hers for years. This girl is like a machine. This girl runs a 100 mile ultra to warm up for UTMB? Insane.
Haven’t watched your show for 2 years… Courtney brought me back! What a human🙏🏾
As a Runner and human I honestly have admiration for her. She is just sooo cool
Love how you're the first podcast host that's not letting her sneak by with not answering questions!! Nervous laughter
I am a marathoner - Just got itch to do a 30 mile ultra on trails!!! BABY STEPS...............I am in AWE of Courtney
“I had a lot of fun being a robot” beautiful
Courtney is my spirit animal. She validates my bean burrito and gummy worms diet. Love listening to her talk!
Those commenting about Rich‘s acronym mishap. If Courtney didn’t feel the need to correct him, I’d leave it there! She’s a class act in every way.
She loves what she does. I've learned a lot with her. Her approach about pain cave is amazing. Thank you Courtney and Rich Roll for this amazing podcast.
I already love her attitude, her strength! See what laughing does to you! Sharing it so everyone learns and values the Mind.
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After running 60 ultra marathons myself, I can relate and agree with Courtney that listening to our body and paying attention to perceived effort is key to being fulfilled in ultra running.
Absolutely joyful watching Courtney’s development over the last few years. Truly a one of a kind.
This should be on The Best of Rich Roll Podcasts, IMO. A breath of fresh air for me. Thank you.
She is absolutely radiant
This is amazing, I've been waiting for Courtney to guest on this podcast for years! Finally, this is amazing!
Thanks for curating this, Rich!
I really enjoyed this chat. What a wonderful and enlightened mindset Courtney has. I am currently going through cancer treatment…I believe this attitude will be very helpful on this marathon of sorts. Thank you for the inspiration 🌸💜🌸💪🏻
Sending you, love! Quick recovery.
Sending you a virtual hug! Get well soon xx
Rich its great to see your podcasts are getting better all the time
Rich: we should test your brain in a lab!
Courtney: What if they only find air?!
Soaking up every second of this in preparation for my first ultra this December!
How did it go??
Great mindset. Courtney you gave me something I can actually use to be my best when it’s hard or scary. Sometimes the “ must do’s” create so much resistance.
Rich Roll probably has the best video quality and podcast set up out of anyone. So clean and simple.
Literally the first five minutes into this and I love how she approaches running!
Outstanding interview Rich. I love how you keep a conversation going. It's a great skill to have.
Great interview. She is a great person. We are lucky to have her in the trail running community.
Love this. Thank you Rich, and Courtney!
Don't know how it is that I am only just now discovering your podcast, but glad I did. Great interview with the great Courtney. I plan to check out many others. Thanks.
'What if they only find air?'!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
My favorite podcast to date! Probably because Courtney is my favorite runner in the World! I would love for you to get Tia Toomey on now that she is 5x CrossFit Games Champion & won more events than any male or female… plus she seems to be a awesome human being!!!
Courtney is so damn inspiring. Stop worrying about it and just do it. I always take that away when I listen to her.
One of the best talks IMO in a long time. Loved it!
Really digging your vibe and pod Sir! Courtney is such a gem. What an inspiration!
Loved this podcast, I'm not a tri athlete but you guys shared a lot of information regarding mindset and approaching training and the longevity of being an athlete!
Had to watch this again. Two of my idols just being themselves. Best interview ever.
She’s wonderful, I learn something new every time I hear her speak.
FINALLY! I have SO waited for this!
Really loved here mentality for running, when she says that she is LOOKING for that feeling, the pain cave. She's not afraid of the unconfortable, she seeks it. Mind blowing stuff :))
Perfect podcast for your long run
I love this episode so much! Thanks Rich and Courtney!
This is just so much fun to listen to. I stumbled on this, didn’t know Courtney, I’m barely a runner let alone annultra runner. Really amazing energy. Love her attitude and RR’s interview style. Thank you
LOVE HER. Thanks for the great interview Rich. Listened to it for the second time.
Waiting for this from a long time. Thank you
Thank you for this interview absolutely love this woman. What an inspiration
Awesome conversation with an awesome human. Great job, both of you! I feel very inspired by this.
So worth the listen - she is so inspiring. I love the idea of the Pain Cave.
Rich, you nailed it in choosing Courtney for this podcast and the analogy of her making it look as it DOESNT need to be complicated, it is definitely refreshing to see her attitude among top human athletes. She is a true inspiration to me for years. And I found her podcast here because you are as well. 2 Masters of their domain having a beautiful chat.
I love this interview, really inspiring. Thanks for the time-links & descriptions, that's been helping coming back to listen to a certain part. The power of the mind!!
Loved this show! Almost 60, slightly out of shape. WFPB for 18 months. Looking for energy to workout. Found some inspiration today.
Rich, thank you so much for your continued excellence at choosing guests and having this incredible propensity for delivering a fabulous conversation and interaction every time! This particular chat and much of what both of you had to say came at the perfect time for me personally and not even related to endurance activity; I’m headed to help my parents through their next stage in life which will require my full attention and expertise at helping them navigate a cognitively challenged existence. jokes help everything might just be my mantra to make it through and I already rely heavily on stand-up comedy whether I’m riding or running and I bet it will be the perfect cushion to the challenge I am facing next!
Such an inspiration! Exceptional work ethic and devotion for what she does.
She may not know it, but she's a prime example of someone embracing and living the tao. I'm left speechless.
I thought the same! Glad to see someone else did too. Her intuitive and easygoing attitude is the embodiment of wu-wei, effortless action. Don't think or analyze or plan-just Do. Adapt continuously to each moment and drop all notions of what the moment should have been. What an inspiration!
Great questions and best interview! Truly enjoyed this podcast the most! You’re both inspirational! Thank you.
She's so humble and inspiring. Great interview.
Brilliant …. The enstaging skills of Rich Roll,
A quick reference to Suzie the marathon swimmer, she also was suffering from cerebral pausey
Thanks you both so much. Just love these rays of humanity
Courtney is a beautiful soul! Great podcast and helpful session
Love Courtney so much! Her mindset and casual way of living life & running is just so great.
She's a sweetheart, both actually!
She is such a beautiful human being! Wonderful talk.
A great role model! Loved this interview. Very inspiring!
Over-planning is a recipe for letting yourself down. Just do you and life will come to you. Keep inspiring people Courtney and keep having fun!!!
In cycling and triathlon the search for marginal gains in aerodynamics, equipment, training and nutrition are critical. The simplicity of ultrarunning must allow this level of simplicity to work. She is clearly naturally talented. If she had coaching and more organization I would imagine she would be just as good.
Great interview of one of my favorite humans on the planet. We all can learn so much from Courtney, both from her remarkable accomplishments and her attitude toward life.
Wow!! Just love her attitude! Such a chilled out approach aslo i am now really wanting the pain cave! ❤👍
I’ve been waiting for this one!! 😃 Superb!
I love the emphasis on fun in training and I will Def incorporate and allow for
That