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NPR “Why Men Don’t Get into Nursing ► www.npr.org/2018/10/02/653570...
We Need More Men in Nursing ► rn-journal.com/journal-of-nur...
Supreme Court Ruling for Nursing ► www.oyez.org/cases/1981/81-406
Male Nurses have increased ► onlinedegrees.bradley.edu/blo...
Pink was a boys color ► www.britannica.com/story/has-....
OMG It's a Girl! Series ► • SHE'S AN i-LADY NOT AN...
PEW Research Study ► www.pewresearch.org/internet/...
59% of women appear as non-gendered/male ► www.reach3insights.com/women-...
Male hate crimes ► www.google.com/search?q=perce... / www.statista.com/statistics/4...
Boy Scouts ► en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Sco...
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This should go without saying but please don't find the creators video and harass him- I mean that very genuinely it makes me and our community look like assholes. OKAY HAVE A GOOD DAY NOW GOODBYE TY C U L8R!
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morbius
ok ludwig
Women☕
Depends on what you mean by harassment. If it’s actual harassment then I agree but let’s no pretend the anti-feminist incels don’t call even slight criticism against them “harassment”
Gaming isn't a male space and women aren't invading it. It is open to everyone despite emotionally immature men trying to gatekeep it.
They act like women just started getting into it. But we’ve been here since the beginning.
Also everyone and their grandma plays video games.
My grandma literally plays video games lmao
Yeah they can have their little circlejerk going in the corner and call it a male space but as far as im concerned it's an everyone space
Well said.
Why does every oblivious, faceless, anti-woke, slideshow producing CZcamsr sound exactly like this guy?
He sounds like Leafy 🤮
Did not expect to see the Captain of Sauce here
they all have the same personality too
Because they don't have unique ideas and opinions, they just pluck datapoints and anecdotes at random to try and match their prejudices
I couldn’t stop laughing at their voice 😂😂
Im loving the dynamic between the old and new comments 💀
Do you think it’s most people just following the trend of others or them actually changing their opinions?
@@mr.happy1232 its two circlejerks colliding
@@user-fw1kp5xb2e thats the most accurate way of describing it I've ever heard
@@user-fw1kp5xb2egood summary of the situation
@@user-fw1kp5xb2e I would say that the response from think before you sleep is pretty qualitatively distinct from four giant CZcamsrs dogpiling and basically just using ad hominem to deride their opponents perspective which is anti-mainstream, then again, I would agree that the youtube comment section isn't exactly conducive to a "free market of ideas"
I do think it’s somewhat ironic that the entire comment section is making fun of TBYS voice even though the whole point of this video was to not make fun of people who were born with things they can’t control.
yup, super hypocrtical
It’s more about his ideology we are making fun of, or more specifically, detested to learn about. I don’t feel hypocritical making fun of h*tler’s moustache, and neither should you
@@mastersonogashira1796 Uh, no. Not really, stop trying to rationalize. Look at the second-most liked comment on this video. Tells you enough about the audience you're a part of.
@@josh1234567892 what happened to everyone is entitled to their opinion? You can love the idiot all u want, but I think TBYS is an idiot nevertheless. Also the comment is pretty funny, and according to YBTS, it’s just banter, don’t take to heart yea? Men are like this you know, i don’t mean it when I say you are just much of an idiot as he is
@@mastersonogashira1796 Probably because Hitler is dead. And was responsible for millions of people's deaths, which is a little worse than someone who has a different opinion than you.
Oh hey! That's me! Thanks for sharing my series. 🥰 Love seeing larger creators supporting women in the space.
10/10 videos Spawn! My husband asks why I never play with randoms or unmute, I instantly showed him your series.
Keep up the series hopefully one day no one will have to go through that especially for YEARS
Ayy! Glad to see this positively covered
hey!! ur videos are awesome, keep it up
I am sorry for my male douche counterparts, we aren’t all like that
The masculine urge to work on an oil rig in the middle of the ocean and play COD zombies for 12 hours straight
I won't lie, i have an addiction to zombies- especially on black ops 1 :(
*Andrew tate theme starts*
@@Atlas_DXUlt Mannn bo3 was my shit.
The feminine urge to wear pink all day and complain
@@Changed.User100 the masculine urge to save the school from a school shooting
it was all just a dream
Still losing a 4v1 is crazy
It's good to see
nah he'd win
Im OOTL, what is the 4v1 regarding TBYS?
@@__TruongTriNguyen Ludwig and hasan and other fortnite streamers tried roasting TBYS and in the end they accomplished nothing really
@@cesruhf2605 y'all are here 1 year late
Imagine trying to shove someone down for their ideals and still losing the 4v1 on him.
There's a reason why the first letter in Ludwigs name is the L
@@sharpexo found the chronically online person lmao
LOL fr, they never stood a chance in the first place.
Do you guys mean that about TBYS?
Cus I hope the "losing to a 4v1" means that TBYS was the better person and Ludwig being a dumbass
@@lmaoyeet135 Yeah we do, TBYS handled Ludwig, Hasan, and their other cronies and won. Made them think before they slept lol.
Me a male nursing student, every teacher I have spoke to wants me to exceed and are proud guys are getting into it. The male vp for the first time in our schools history told us that 15/150 are male nursing students
Mad respect for you 👏
I'm a nurse and my male colleagues (there are only 3) are some of the most amazing nurses i've ever met. Keep up the amazing work! You're gonna make a great nurse!
I don’t really get the disrespect. All of the people who think men shouldn’t be nurses aren’t even doctors and probably couldn’t be nurses either. It’s a respectable job. I’m no where near qualified for that shit 😂
im sorry to be that guy but wtf does this have to do with anything
I almost went into nursing but stopped due to the growing lack of interest, hopefully you do what I couldn't and keep up the work
I get harassed almost every game. I get hit on. they say "damn baby you sound sexy" Im a dude. I have a very..soft voice, who cares. It feels really nasty the things they say thinking I'm a girl.
you're not good at detecting jokes huh?
I have the exact same thing. I’m told I sound just like my sister, and whenever i play a game with comms, especially since I’m dog shit at shooters, I get some of the same weird comments, a lot of ones about how women shouldn’t play and shit like that too. It has actually made just stop talking in comms all together, which should never have to happen, and I can only imagine how much worse it is for women.
The even crazier thing is that I used to coach players in some game, and sometimes they would discount my idea for no reason, but when they would find out I was dude, they were suddenly more willing to at least try my ideas. Like, what sort of mental gymnastics do you have to do to think this way, to the point where your perception of what gender I am would change how you view what is just factual information.
Damn yeah that’s how most woman get harassed too
@@Flugs0 i hate your comment so much, please cease to exist.
@@Flugs0 ?
Got that 4v1 clutch
lmaoooo all the new comments saying this, gold
@@FreyrtheFryer Come on… hype?
What do you mean?
@Sebenseven what are you saying?
@@lightingmcqueen522 ludwig lost this argument sayid that TBYS "sucks" when he had proof and beat 3 other big youtubers in an argument lol
Wow everyone in the comments sounds mature and are totally not name calling like kindergartners
@@Deletedaccount2022ie by your logic I can say you're name calling by calling me immature (you said "you think you're mature") so basically we won't be able to have a basic conversation
@@Deletedaccount2022ie I don't feel insulted, You didn't name-call me, Read your reply again and see for a question asking for an opinion, And you got your dopamine, Now kindly shut up. This conversation is the definition of immaturity.
@@Cabinet445 Your sensitive asf if you think being called immature is a form of name calling. Go back to your short bus school
@@Deletedaccount2022ie Okay
@@Deletedaccount2022ie Do you need psychiatric help?? when did I delete any of my comments?
As a girl gamer, I have learned not to respond to sexism, because any response just makes it worse. And I have only ever had ONE man say something when another person was being mean to me. It was a simple, "Hey man, you wouldn't be saying any of that if she wasn't a woman. Cool off" and then he messaged me privately saying he was sorry I had to deal with that.
It sticks with me to this day as the only time I feel like the asshole on the other end of the computer registered that what he was doing might be bad. It doesn't register if a woman says it.
hehe woman go brrr
Complain more I've heard worse than you since COD 3. Get over yourself.
@@jukeplays7572 i don't understand why it's somehow impressive to be able to take more hatred from others. I'm not saying I can't take it. I'm saying I shouldnt have to. In an ideal world, neither of us have to "hear worse" anywhere. I don't understand why someone would defend and preserve a worse world than the one we could have.
Ngl, you should respond in a way that makes them feel terrible. Even if it's callimg them an incel. People like this get satisfaction regardless of if someone cares or not, not getting a response makes them think they won. Just keep saying the same insult.
@@luckirye it's in fact the opposite. They get even more toxic when you try to fight back. Ignoring someone will definitely make them more mad
“men don’t go around trying to change the culture of female spaces” is one of the most insane, asinine things i have ever heard in my life.
right? i had to pause in complete disbelief. no way this guy has ever spoken to a woman in his life
what's funny is that the guy is actively trying to change female spaces with his video
No, it's not... The woke mob will cancel something none of them care about and move onto the next thing.
Nah Fr 💀 men practically controlled women up until the 1900s and still to this day try to change stuff involving women. The video was probably released before this, but as we speak men are trying to make abortion illegal 💀
i mean, you don't have to like it, but it's the truth
Losing the 4v1 and keeping up the video is crazy. I guess itll be a good reminder to not commit past mistakes.
Incel
I wonder why like 80% of the video got cut out
Too few valid points that Ludwig can make.
Cause the video was long enough, sometimes you have to cut things short
ludwig really just cherry picks most of his points here, even with cutting out the other guys video. Honestly I think his takes on other vids are good but this is a bit of a flop
@@AfirissThe guy did a good enough job making his case awful without Ludwig needing to cherry pick
@@irecordwithaphone1856 no
im glad to see that there are creators in the gaming space who aren't absolute shitlords
Agree
Oh hey T1J, funny seeing how different creators watch each others stuff
@@toasterenthusiast8023 im a ludwig stan
@@T1J w
@@T1J W
The idea that I'm playing with a girl or losing to one always made me feel like games were getting more popular and I'd have more in common with people I'd meet later on in life.
Or maybe you just fell off + L + Ratio.
@@lucianoariasduval ratio = liking your own comment
@@wiisports8090 I didn't, I guess someone found it funny. It's literally a joke, what's your problem? lmao.
@@lucianoariasduval Whoa, chill out dude, he was saying a joke too. Calm down
@@AdamHarte I am and was perfectly chill; read the comment a little less enfatically lol
This is such a first world problem💀
fr
Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be adressed tf 😂
not having first world problems isnt a flex you're just admitting you are poor
@@vortigan9068 and being poor is bad to admit?
@@Romanmonkey182 not saying its bad to admit i just see people use it the phrase "first world problem" as if it gives them some moral high ground. when all it means is that you are just too broke to have such problems. its almost like your taking a different test then someone else and then bragging that you dont have to solve their problems. its just a silly thing to say
Haha c'mon Lud you can do better than this, you got destroyed in the response vid
Why would he fuel drama about this video, it's more than a year old. CZcams drama just isn't something he does
@@LakeGameCreepr because they're the ones who started the drama by ganking my boy tbys
@@Human_Kindnessz Ludwig isnt a dramatuber
@@LakeGameCreepr how can you say Ludwig isn’t a dramatuber yet he made a whole 20 minute video with other people to spark drama
@@Human_Kindnessz he gives his take on a situation and then forgets about it. He doesn't farm content out of the same situation for 2 years. This "drama" is entirely one-sided
it seems like if a woman is present in the lobby, there is either going to be a guy who is a supreme douchebag to her or there's gonna be a guy who is extremely creepy and tries to be her boyfriend or some shit. it's rare to find decent people just being cool with one another
and you know that how?
@@Flugs0 because that’s how I react to women
@@Flugs0 Because that is how it is. Very well known.
Play a better game with a better community dude, that is not normal.
@@Flugs0 do you need video evidence or some shit? it's pretty easy to find examples of this online, just look for yourself lmao
Thanks for bringing up the statistic about women taking on gender neutral or male identities online! I used to specifically choose gamer tags that are gender neutral to avoid unnecessary annoyances. If there were shady people in the lobby it was easier to let them think I was a “squeaker” rather than an adult female. It’s both terrible and nice to see that I wasn’t the only one.
EDIT: much appreciation to everyone sharing their stories. Hope you all continue to rock it, gamers
me too!! I use a pretty ambiguously gendered gamer tag and I’m too familiar with the strange comfort that comes with being mistaken for a “squeaky boy”
WOW PEOPLE WANNA CONTROL HOW OTHERS SHOULD ACT & BEHAVE????
WELL I WANT A NEW BITICH TO SUCK MY DIC*K EVERYDAY & NIGHT IS THE UNITED STATES GREATEST PLACE ON EARTH FREEDOM OF SPEECH IF UR EMOTIONS GET HURT OR BROTHERED remember when u were a kid sticks & stones
my God how can so many adults be so so soft now
Yeah! I was blown away by 56%. I thought I was a weirdo and one of the few. I still do it to this day, but I feel better knowing there's so many others in the same boat!
Also asking me to rate her
Keep in mind I chatted with this person for over 3 years also was 12 at the time
Losing a 4v1 is crazy ngl💀
Incel
His response video was honestly legendary 😂
1hr 45 minute essay lol
That video was too long But now we know that ThinkBeforeYouSleep wasn’t wrong 🤷♀️
@@CvH-wo6kc I don't think a response to having your reputation being torn up and attacked can be too long.
ludwig sucks ngl. used to have this guy on my sub list but i cant get behind this community of super-woke anti-capitalist rich streamer/youtuber archetypes that engage in some of the most hypocritical behaviors i have ever witnessed, it is also extremely disenfranchising as someone who used to enjoy ludwig, seeing his comments filled with these odd meme-brained tik tok gen z'ers that seem to get behind every single talking point that these breadtubers put out without actually doing a hair of research. i am very happy to say that i have broken from the conformity.
whats the difference between meme-brained gen-z tik-tokers and SIGMA EREEEN YAAEEGAA gojo satorouuu gymbro steroid fatphobic homophobic incel gen-zs like you? honestly cant tell. friendly fire, i guess? 🤣🤣
As someone whose voice was still very high, even as a genetic and assigned at birth male, I got mistaken for a girl all the time, up until the ages of 14-15, and aside from being bullied for my age, I heard the worst most sexist shit ever, as well as utterly vile shit, along the lines of pedophilia, sexual harassment, harassment overall and I can say for a fact that women 1000% experience a worse time.
boohoo
Sounds like gaming 👍
@@woah9122 Sounds like u get zero bitches to me
Comments made by men who are going where with their lives? Just fucking mute and don't help them whatsoever, EZ.
@@woah9122 pedophilia and sexual harassment sounds like gaming? you’re sick in the head
That Dr K clip is so on point, because it works exactly the same way the harassment works but in reverse - a girl plays in 10 lobbies in a row that are toxic just because she's a girl, chances are good she'll just stop playing the game (which btw is why I also think it's bullshit when people say "girls don't like X kind of games". More girls would play them if it didn't mean constantly wading through a cesspool of sexist commentary every time you turn your mic on)
Anyway, I think with videos like this we might be slowly, slowly getting onto the right track. Thanks Lud.
What i do is I have purposefully masculine name and don't talk ever only in text chats. But it honestly makes me sad because this tactic makes us also completely invisible to each other. How many times did a q up with another girl who's struggling with the same stuff that i do and didn't even know didn't get to simp for her and show her you can have good time in this or that game.
Except, anyone who says that, has never played with a toxic DOTA player in their entire life. You could have 1000 people, telling him that, in a 1000 matches in a row, and the behaviour would not in any way change.
The problem is they're not being toxic because the person is a girl. The gamers are toxic, period, and the pick whatever aspect comes to their tiny brains first to harass the person on. If the person doesn't respond, they move on to another aspect seeking that reaction. It's also a fragile mindset that allows others to bully you out of something you enjoy, especially over your gender.
@@JilaX Yup, exactly. It's never about their apparent 'target', it's about the behaviour they have taught themselves and go unpunished for. They're toxic to everyone.
Nobody cares bozo 90% of girls that I have played valorant have bottom fragged they should just stick to making sandwiches in the kitchen 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 imagine female pro players playing vs guys instant humiliation 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Kind of funny that you @MogulMail lost in 4v1 against TBYS and just proved you how you are completely wrong
I am attempting to follow this "drama" and this video seems to be arguing the semantics of TBYS's video rather than actually refuting it.
And given that no one in this comment section can seem make an actual argument against TBYS and would rather attack him personally or claim that he is an istaphobe, without any actual proof. I think that non of your audience has picked up any arguments either.
I am going to watch the response to this video.
I haven't even finished TBYS's response, and he absolutely blows this video out of the water.
@@GoldenRedderI am truly glad that you have. So many people are being radicalized. If you watch his videos he is actually a very supportive dude that wants the best for people. Telling people that “you have to work hard to achieve your goals” is something he encourages and he also talks in a way that isn’t just yelling over a person, like Ludwig is doing here.
Yup, I really want a response video and for them to work this out like adults
Most of the comment section are crying "sexism" while being blatantly misandrist.
Ngl I kinda disagree. I didnt watch the whole thing but for the first 40 whole minutes all he did was bring a couple valid clips that maybe one argument from lud wasnt as valid, the rest was either pointless or completely misinterpreted by him. After wasting all that time on the video, I just gave up
"things we aren't allowed to say anywhere else" is such a huge red flag because a lot of us actually AREN'T sexist, racist, homophobic, and transphobic in private!
EDIT: since people are *still* replying to this comment 2 months later saying I hurt their feelings when I use words like "sexist" to describe TBYS, allow me to copy paste a later comment rephrasing my complaint:
"While I cannot say conclusively that the video creator is a victim of a cycle of repeated isolation and enflamation by certain voices on the internet that results in a bitter world view and is frequently, although not always, associated with sexist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, and anti-intellectual views, deliberately or intentionally resulting in a slide towards extreme authoritarian political beliefs, the evidence displayed in the video he published suggest that this might, in fact, be the case. This is concerning because other voices sharing these toxic outlooks tend to flock together to disparage anyone who calls them out, employing various rhetorical tricks meant to elicit frustration, apathy, or simple anger, rather than reflecting on their own actions and the fact that they are not behaving within the tenets of a modern, cooperative society"
Is that better?
So true!
i am tho :(
The dude unironically explained toxic masculinity. The idea that men HAVE to act like assholes because of pent-up rage. This is a great example of a person defending shitty behavior because it's "normal." He has no idea how the "normal" expectations surrounding men are what lead to the idea that there need to be male-dominated spaces
@@depyjelly admitting the problem is the first step to recovery
I wont ever understand how people can keep these mindsets even after there is so much evidence against their point. It's really sad to see how people would rather put others down instead of trying to improve themselves just cause it's easier. Thank you ludwig for helping to inform people about this absolute absurdity, you made some really great points
There’s been some studies that show that our brain outright dismisses facts that don’t agree with our worldview, and gives much more weight to something that confirms our beliefs. Basically, humans dum dum and asshol
@@scottveron I think people in general are really bad at being introspective. We have some core "feelings" or beliefs that we define our existence by. In this case, the dude strongly believes in toxic masculinity; specifically the idea that it's not only normal, but imperative that men are allowed to be toxic in online gaming spaces, and that this toxicity is necessary for any "male dominated space."
He doesn't have the skills to ask himself WHY he believes those things or how his beliefs can damage others, therefore he tries SO HARD to defend his belief. Improving a person's introspection and empathy generally makes people more resistant to confirmation bias; they become more likely to say "oh, I WANT to believe that this is true, but I'm not sure." And we become more humble in accepting that we are wrong, because only sociopaths would insist on hurting others despite being wrong themselves.
Same way they do it for everything else
bruh ive said this with fighting games if you are toxic and a sore loser or cheap you never evolve i dont care if i lose i just want to get stronger and evolve i want to get better and maybe help somone else get stronger too but man does it make me sad for them that they flip out and refuse to adapt and overcome
this right here. It's so fucking dumb getting into lobbies when there is a woman present and some dumbass man has to say something offensive. the fact that every game they get into they get harassed is ridiculous. It's not being mean, it's straight up harassment.
One of the worst takes of 2022
2023?
Ludwig got absolutly railed in the response video from TBYS
tbys cooked ngl
not rlly, he dodges a lot of stuff and fails to look at lud's video as a whole, discounting his points because he doesnt see that they lead into eachother. I saw this as someone who ISNT feminist and a guy but the disparity in videogames and blatant sexism from guys thinking they're being "funny" (which they might be to themselves and the people theyre in call with) gets really annoying after it constantly occurs. also his excuse about deradicalization is complete bs, the language he uses and comparison he makes are much worse than lud uses here (opinion but i still believe this). I also believe a lot of people have formed their opinion from the start, youtube videos are the perfect catalyst for radicalization as if you go into the comments of the video it will (as long as its a somewhat sensible take) be filled with people who agree, so when someone responds to this you take the video with scrutinizing eyes, this is increased by the simple fact that lud hasnt responded back.
@@justajukebox really? tell me one specific example from his response of him doing it.
ludwig failed to look at the entirety of the tbys video, go actually watch his response and then make that argument @@justajukebox
did we see the same video?@@justajukebox
on the point "you can just mute people who harass you", he completely fails to understand that toxicity and harassment can go way beyond the chat room. i've seen countless clips of women getting griefed or killed by their own team. there isn't exactly a way to mute that.
Not to mention, depends on the person ofc, but if I mute someone because they're being an asshole, that shit sticks with me, even if it's just one game out of 10, can't imagine dealing with that all day
I'm still missing the part where them being females means they need some sort of special treatment. Like if you're a guy and you're saying 99% of the online games you played aren't full of assholes and griefers i'm saying you're full of shit. Literally every "team" game is just filled with those sorts of people. It makes no difference if someone is male of female to them, it's juts an angle of attack to latch onto.
just don't talk lol
This happens all the time. My games would get derailed and held hostage. Muting isnt always an option that works, and on top of that just because you mute the person doesnt mean your whole team will and that your team wont be affected, hence your games being affected and you giving up on playing the game. It also doesnt account for others joining in, either cause they think its funny, they want to be part of the club or they are just annoyed their game is being ruined because they have a girl on the team, cause if the girl wasnt there the other dudes wouldnt be griefing.
it only shows they are bad gamers every good player knows that you shouldn't express your tilt with the team because it carries to your teammates and makes their playing worse even if you mute on reaction their toxicity alters your mindset and affects how you play I find it funny people ignore shit like this to make even more dumb points against women it lacks emotional maturity and shows they cant communicate how to better play as a team without it dragging people down
As a woman in the scientific field, specifically in criminal justice. Men are always asking me if I’m okay, like I didn’t go to school for this for 8 years and have seen horrible shit, like my womanly heart can’t handle it. Also the only person in my lab who’s work gets “checked”. Coincidentally also the only woman.
But studies have show women on average have a lower threshold for stressful situations and clearly thinking.
It isn't sexist for them to check up on you, they are caring and just show compassion sense you are the only woman, therefore it's harder for you to voice your opinion or emotions.
I work as a nurse and I often have the female nurse ask me if I am doing ok, but not for others. That's because women will talk to eachother if something is wrong.
@@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoing what studies are you talking about? Source?
@@missm2925 studies conducted by a high profile institution called "trust me bro"
@@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoing This study that you mention is done purely on an individual basis rather than gender basis. Women in fact can handle stress and deal with stress way better than men and is highly unlikely to get mental illnesses in passing. But from what I assume, what you're trying to say is, women tends to be rather emotional in certain situations than men, which hinders objective pov and logical thinking process sometimes. That, I can agree with. Such emotional thinking is what differs men and women thought process in some scenarios. And it also factors in to why women can deal with stress better, which in turn makes them less prone to illnesses and adds to having generally a long life span than men. Though again yes, it is but only one of factors that helps the final outcome.
So the base line is, I do agree to a certain point that there are fields that requires highly logical thinking or high muscle strength, which may have a male dominance. And if there's suddenly a female colleague introduced to you in such an environment, it's only natural to show a certain level of concern towards them as opposed to male colleagues. Because it's a generic human trait to either be curious about or outright reject something that is introduced anew. (On a final note, I'm clarifying again that I "never" said anything about women being "unable" to handle a logical process. All that I'm saying is women "tends" to be more emotional than men due to their hormonal process in certain situations)
@@missm2925 Literally just google stress effects men vs women... In 30 seconds i learned that due to the different hormonal systems in the sexes, the reactions to stress are different. Overstressed women tend to begin to develop anxiety, depression, and PTSD while men eventually just snap and go full Schizo.
And if you google 'work hours men vs women mental health' you discover that women begin to develop negative mental traits if they consistently work more than 39 hours a week, while men is 47.
I learned all this in 2 minutes.
i remember i used to watch this dude play gta sa now he sits here and virtue signals
When tf did Ludwig stream gta san Andreas
Saying harassment is bad is virtue signalling?
@@willoe55 If u care that much about jokes ona game u shouldn't be playing ngl , chronically online behavior
Ludwig taking the massive L here for his poorly thought out take
The thing about being judged based on voice is so true, one of my fondest gaming memories is the ONE TIME my random team in an overwatch game actually listened to me when i presented a plan and then went on to actually follow it too, can you guess what happened? We absolutely shredded the other team, so incredibly satisfying to finally prove to myself that i was actually capable.
dawg its overwatch, everyone has a massive ego and never follows anyone else's plan
@@madstar44 except the people.
bruh if 30% of females play league for expemple why isn"t 30% of challengers not female this video is fkin dumb it's very rare to find good gamer girls that's why the pro scene is lacking females simple as that and team siren is perfect exemple
It's hard for someone to really comprehend something until it happens to them, I always thought things like this were just exaggerated because I really never saw it but now being exposed and seeing more examples of these things, I'm just flabbergasted that these things happen
It is so hilarious how people get self worth from such irrelevant things. A fkcing video game, really? I am a massive gamer, but I would never think "oh wow, I made one strat, I am actually capable." Nor would I care
I find it really interesting that there was a study conducted that revealed that male gamers are less likely to harass women in games if said men are good at said game. These types of dudes will accept challenges from anyone because they know they're good at the game and won't have their ego wounded by any number of losses, regardless of who beat them.
Guys who play at a lower skill level are also more insecure, more prone to be the agressor in harassment, and feel like they have "more to lose" when it comes to their ego, so they make up for their difference in skill by being hyper-salty and harass anyone. Women who are in an ingame VC or happen to stand out from the other players in some way are easy targets for these guys.
TL:DR; If you're harassing people online, you literally have a skill issue. You're mad because you're bad. Git fucking good lmao
You perfectly described low tier god
Preach
quote of the day my dude
Wish I could copy this and send it to toxic players I know, but alas, youtube is a bitch on mobile and won't allow you to copy comments.
I mean this might be true, I'm quite good at cs, top 0.02-0.01 ish and I have never heard in my teams were there was a girl talk shit about her cuz of her gender, have heard simps though lol. And I do play with a few women but I never see it myself, guess it's been lucky lobbies lol.
Jesus christ people, TBYS is not a sexist he's not some "Sigma vs alpha male" type nonsense CZcamsr, he shares very good and sometimes even what some might consider "left-leaning" points. The number of people making fun of TBYS, name calling and calling people that support him "simps of TBYS" just goes to show how little research people put into things before making up their opinion, this kinda thing is exactly what TBYS is trying to bring to light. Go watch his videos with an open mind, don't rage watch him because obviously, if you are someone that supports Ludwig and then goes to a "opponent" of his you obviously would take Ludwigs side so try and take a break and then watch it after clearing up your mind, TBYS is not who you think he is.
no way u just said tbys is left leaning. hes a little gremlin who makes weirdo videos and when people say anything bad about them he crys that hes being deplatformed
@@Moth_Moon not what he said he said he does SOMETIMES make left leaning points he never said he was left leaning.TBYS he never said he was being deplaformed by ludwig watch one of his videos before forming an opinion on him
@@Moth_Moon
"hes a little gremlin"
-the little gremlin
@@Moth_Moonlearn to spell, child
@blueturtlekhun lil bro stop glazing this weirdo. And this is the fucking internet who gives a shit about spelling
Lost the 4v1 lol
i know Lud's college degrees are a running joke but his foundation in journalism really shines through in this one. good stuff
luds a joke lmao, he out here pretending women and men are the same, in the most eglotarian countrys, the % of female nurses is 3x more than in conutrys like america, because u guys enforce boys and girls to be the same since young
Suuuuuure, it's because he is saying what you want to hear
@@AcidiFy574 crazy that you're gonna call confirmation bias here... as if that isn't what that schmuck's whole argument relies on, asking his audience to raise hands LMAO
@@FamousFleming That your best reply ?
Oh BTW, I hope you're not thinking I support either of the "schmucks"
@@AcidiFy574 oh i'm sorry i didn't know i was talking to the lord of youtube comments. I didn't mean to to disrespect your enlightened self with my pathetic retord. I really regret ruining your whole day with my presence here and i hope you can forgive me for my sins, if not now maybe down the line somewhere 😔 🙏
as a guy who has a naturally feminine-sounding voice, i've subconsciously been conditioned into only typing in games like valorant because sometimes if i use voice chat, i'll get horendously fucking bullied. im not trying to draw attention away from women's experiences, just showcasing how even sounding like a woman in the gaming space, especially in competitive games such as valorant or fortnite, is frowned upon.
frowned upon? dude thats harrassment!
@@five885 technically, yes, it’s just been so unfortunately normalized :(
@@gabegaster2664 i hate how it brings collateral damage even if youre a guy just because it resembles femininity
@@gabegaster2664 it really sucks. Ive conditioned the same type of habits, as well as completely stopped playing games that i really love. This stuff is difficult to deal with and gives us trauma as all hell. My support, thoughts and kindest regards goes out to you :(
I think it’s also mainly because valiant and fortnite are commonly played by kids and just flat out toxic people. Most other popular multiplayer games I haven’t heard much issue
ps. The pink girl blue boy thing is an Asian concept based on the the principles of yin and yang. A female child is innately more yin, so to balance this she is dressed in a softened version of the yang (masculine principle) colour red. Conversely, a boy is more yang and for balance he is dressed in the yin (feminine principle) colour blue. This dresscode was adopted, without understanding, outside Asia so that the 'gender' of each colour has been incorrectly assigned.
thnx for the video on my way to sub to think before you sleep
keep glazing incel 😭😭
@@jakedoesmemesbro is projecting his incel energy
@@hickory45acp31 okay lil bro whatever makes you happy
im sure ludwig is waking up in a cold sweat at night knowing yaaaboi5902 didn't subscribe to him
@@jakedoesmemes How about next time don't delete your comment when you get ratio'd. 😂😂
The scouts take is so terrible, in many other countries (like the UK) girls have been able to join for years and no one gives a shit. It’s meant to be a fun organisation where people of all cultures and backgrounds can learn skills and develop their social and outdoor skills. Everything this man has said has pissed me off so much
The only problem I have with it is that the boy scouts where made to open for girls but the girls scouts still don't allow boys. Its bs
I kinda dislike it personally. I always felt more comfortable in the organization that way and when women get involved there are a lot more complications and bs to deal with because legally they have to do a bunch of shit as a coed group, at least in America. Also maturity is a big factor. I say this as a former Boy Scout myself. Venturing on the other hand offered a coed experience, but had a higher age requirement which I think was appropriate. I think the biggest issue is the Girl Scouts just suck and that rather than making Boy Scouts coed they should have made their own Girl Scouts. That’s just how I feel about it though
@@noobmasters6913 The Girl Scouts is an entirely different organization unfortunately. They really suck and pander to the stereotypical image of what a woman is. They mostly exist for the cookies
Yeah. In South Africa we had just scouts. No boy or girl scouts. Lol.
@noobmasters69 To be clear, the boy scouts allowed females as they are going bankrupt, due to legal cases, covid and a massive decline in participants. From it's 4 million max membership, they have around 760,000 in 2020, aka they have about 20% their max amount of participants they built infrastructure for. They need females because they need participants money and the grants they can receive, not because they desire diversity or change.
The girl scouts in contrast dropped from a peak of around 2.8 million, to around 1million, aka 36%. So while it isn't good for them, and while facing some legal issues, they are not currently bankrupt. Therefore they do not need boys.
This was never about gender inclusivity for the scouts, it was money.
This was really refreshing and appreciated Ludwig , my user name on basically every media that interacts with that "gamer male"(lmao) community goes under a more masculine alias. Its not worth having sexist comments constantly flung at you and i agree with basically every point you make. Love these mogul mail videos , your leading the way of a great refresh in masculine communities ❤
Sorry you've gotta go through that man
@@mrravinraven I have alot of hope for these communities in the future and more female positive spaces . The people Ludwig tends to be friends are very female friendly which is impacting these game spaces for the better. People want to be seen as genuinely funny , not "funny" for being a sexist racist homophobic arsehole. Guys like you being genuinely lovely in response to comments like mine make me very happy ❤ Best of luck to you guys o7
I totally relate. I identify more as nonbinary but am open to "she" pronouns. --Don't even get me started on the LGBT aspect of this stuff.-- My tags usually fall under a more gender-neutral category to fit that, but my voice is pretty high, so you can tell that I'm biologically a female if I don't try masking it.
While I haven't experienced a *lot* of sexism in-game, the few times I have (usually with other people who are also females), they were absolutely horrendous. It made me question whether those people were being real or not because no one can be that comically abhorrent to other people. Using coms in-game is a scary thing because I never know how my teammates will react and that's absolutely bullshit. I'm here to play and have fun, not be the subject of another person's shittiness.
Wanna see something really bad ? Use a french name in any games... Good Luck.
@Guy Whose opinions will offend you Super 👌 Malheureusement, à chaque fois que quelqu'un parle français les joueurs anglos adorent rire des français en disant - Oui Oui ou encore - Baguettes ... C'est une très mauvaise blague and it's cringe...
lost the 4v1
Please explain I need to know why everyone is mentioning this 😭
@@grimsyn8174 The youtuber Ludwig was attacking made a response video that dismantled all of Ludwigs points in a very kind and articulate way. I'll say what he wouldn't, Ludwig should be ashamed of himself.
@@grimsyn8174year old "drama". Dweebs are flooding the video cus they think it's still relevant 😅
@@LakeGameCreepr its revelant because they attacked TBYS 4v1 and expected nothing to happen
@@grimsyn8174Search how people are getting radicalised and you'll see
Just finished watching his reaction to this video, you should respond to it. Mainly just because I know you won't.
Yep cuz Ludwig doesn't have a point he's saying some random shits.
dude ludwig got cooked so hard
Its jover for Ludwig. He’s bidone.
Lol this made me giggle, all Ludwig does is insult TBYS and he doesn't even attempt to give valid criticism
Ludwig brings up one example and thinks he just destroyed TBYS. These people cannot debate and they don't need to, because their audience already agrees with them, and their audience doesn't know how to recognize valid points from bs.
This is a serious issue in the gaming industry, thank you for addressing it! My friend made a alt account on Valorant with the the username "Emily" and not even over exaggerating every. single. round. our team or the other team would just completely harass him for no reason. People who try to play this situation off like it's nothing need to be held accountable.
Wow your life is tufffffff
Sounds like your friend is a little confused
@@TheRealHusk says “held accountable” police roll up to your house: “Sir, an informant has identified you as the suspect of an instance of online name calling, you need to face the wall.”
hey y'all could make a video about it
Wtf why are 3/4 comments in here hate to what you said?!
This Just proves the point that this is a real issue even more
This guy definitely has a treehouse with a “boys only, no girls allowed” sign on it
and crying why there's no girls want them
Ey, take that back. You can have a treehouse for the bois and not be sexist okay ;(
@@macin6931 True you can, but he still 100% has that sign on it
@@macin6931 yea but he’s not one of the bois
@@macin6931 Yea but he has the sign for a different reason than havin a treehouse for the bois.
Came here after seeing how he cooked you in his response video
same!
5:30 a related concept is the idea of "gender contamination", where things that were once exclusively targeted/marketed to women were, because of this, not easily marketable to men and so the marketing switched to being masculine. A notable example is actually Marlboro cigarettes! Weird to think about with the "Marlboro Man" being such a figure, but it happened because of "gender contamination."
Btw I don't know if the term sounds offensive, I'm not the one who came up with it.
you know i loved your point then you said
"Btw I don't know if the term sounds offensive, I'm not the one who came up with it."
like you need to say sorry for a word
i still think your point is great just this its sad that people need to say sorry for a word
The fact that the guy even tried to excuse the harassment towards women by saying “oh yeah just fucking mute,” is so stupid. The point was that the harassment shouldn’t even be happening in the first place, especially because it’s targeted towards women.
I'm honestly surprised he acknowledged any harassment at all
The fact he doesn't distinguish discrimination between inherent characteristics and one's gameplay ie astounding.
I mean, even men gets harassed in a cod or lol lobby
I understand this well. The moment you speak online and sound non-American it's N-word or some other slur straight out of the gate lmao. That stuff is on speed dial🤣. I think that's probably the most frequent term used by teenagers or angry dudes in any Discord/CoD/etc lobby. So ridiculous it can't even be offensive.
Being shit/troll at the game and getting flamed for it is one thing. Being flamed for just existing in the form you do is what the women are complaining about. Some people can tolerate it, utterly ignore it, or flame back but I can see it being utterly unbearable to most humans. Like let people feed or troll before a chain of twenty n-words or orders back to some fictional kitchen come rolling in. Alas it's the nature of ANONYMITY more so than anything, where there these guys can socially limit test in a way they could never do in person. Majority of them can't even approach a woman in person or will do their utmost to avoid a real confrontation but that digital leeway to express the aggression they lack is irresistible I guess. Knowing that makes me actually sorry until logging on and turning on voice again to ni-... 🤣🤣🤣
Telling someone to mute harassment is not a defense of harassment, it is simply providing a solution...
Crazy that this vid is still up.
Imagine losing a 4v1
These types of things are why I absolutely hate playing games that require mics or teams. The most online type of game I'll play is an MMO. it's just SO much more enjoyable as a woman to play something by myself where I'm not being harassed for simply existing. I hope this changes in the near future for the women who do enjoy those types of games.
I never got into competitive shooters exactly because of this, even though I really like them. I will only play with my friends very occasionally, and they're all men who don't care if I suck, bless them. It makes me really salty, because I want to get better at them, but I'm genuinely terrified of playing with strangers.
@@id3389 back when I used to play COD as a teenager I would just play on my brothers account without a mic tbh. It's great practice, but it's really sad that we have to hide that we're women just to avoid getting harassed 🙃
My experience as a man has been that they will make fun of you no matter what. They're simple-minded, too, so they'll choose the most obvious outstanding trait about you to make fun of - if you're female, they'll make it about that. If you sound gay, if you sound too young or old, if you're simply playing poorly, if you take an opportunity they wanted, they'll harass you over ANYTHING. Mute is the only solution...unless you like firing back
I'm lucky I'm not into games that require precise team coordination, though. It's not as big of a deal for me. The most team-oriented game I play online is 4v4 Slayer (kills to score) in Halo, and you can do well in most games by just silently watching your teammates' backs.
You have an onscreen avatar you're literally using to simulate murdering people, and yet you want ppl to do it 'nicely'.
Men get so much more abuse than women online, and we enjoy it. Trash talking a chick is literally just a shit test to see if she can hang. Turns out, they cant. And thats fine. You're doing an awesome thing playing other things rather than trying to mommy lobbies into being kind while they slaughter each other.
@@Spritzkrieg i do agree to an extent - however, the insults hurled towards women, the LGBTQ+ community or those with disabilities can be downright horrific. i can tell you that from personal experience. women don't deserve to be threatened with SA when they play; no one does. i can handle the typical female stereotypes or insults or being ignored, i have thick skin. but there's something so inherently disgusting about people threatening to r### you with no hesitation that just. makes me feel so incredibly unsafe and unwelcome when i play. it's a genuine problem.
I used to have the name "Jade" in Overwatch, and even though I named myself after a male character, it was apparently enough for people to think I was female. I wouldn't say a single word, wouldn't touch voice chat, and would still have dudes attacking me for simply existing. I ended up paying $20 to change it to a more identifiably male name and it's insane the difference it makes. Silence.
If you've ever played a competitive game, then you know what I mean when I say that the moment where someone starts tilting and being toxic, the game is over. You've lost. It ruins the whole game for everyone on the team. And sometimes just having a girl on the team, existing, is enough to destroy the entire vibe of the team because someone has to open his mouth.
It's not every game, but even without voice chat, it happened to me a few times a day. And it really starts to wear you down. Like, sometimes you just sit there like "video games are supposed to be fun. Am I having fun?"
And there's still dudes like this that think that women aren't playing these kinds of games because playing candy crush is biologically coded into our DNA.
I must be an outlier, my name on overwatch was very ambiguous/femme leaning and I exclusively played Mercy, but I don't think I ever got shit talked over mic and it was never sexist. I wonder if rank was something to do with it I was 3500-3800, makes sense for the toxic people to stay lower ranks so maybe it's that, would love to see more data on it but "how often do you get harassed on video games, what's your rank, what's your gender" probably isn't going to get the best data
@@Daeyae man you are really lucky. An old friend of mine was really high rank (I think it’s gm? Idk overwatch is dead anyways) and literally could not play because she had to mute at least one person every game just to not get yelled at or insulted for being a woman. She quit before overwatch even died because of it. No idea how you got that lucky.
@@Silverado-pq6xe maybe it was super lucky, or it did happen but I was just good at ignoring it.
I have had some remarks on league, but I can always laugh it off, thinking about how sad a life someone must have to use comments like "leave top lane and go back to the kitchen"
@@Daeyae much easier to laugh it off hate when they aren’t attacking who you really are.
@@OopsAllFrench much easier if you don't take who you are as an insult.
Nothing wrong with either being a woman and/or being in a kitchen.
"i hate that in gaming, two men insulting and roasting each other is trashtalk, but when its between a man and a woman its somehow considered harassment and misoginy just because she is a woman"
@sluggknight7130 ?
yes@@derprst9559
Yeah difference is that it’s almost always one sided with women and men harassing them. Also did you ignore the point that this happens in most games that women play on voice.
@@estebab2343 wdym one sided
13% of chess players are women. 2% of grandmaster are women. Why? Because yes, men are "naturally attracted" to chess. Meaning traditionally men take more interest in chess and it is seen as a more socially acceptable thing to do in many places.
This dude is literally "Tell me you've never talked to a woman without saying you've never talked to a woman"
Also I know Overwatch/Blizzard is garbage, but remember that Zarya player that had to prove herself in a match against another player, because they thought she MUST be cheating. The cards are stacked against female players.
You must be talking about Geguri she farmed the shit out of that team on zar
@Debo “the other god gamers who got accused of cheating”
why is overwatch garbage ?
I vaguely remember some similar sounding thing about the Zarya player, but from my memory that person was fucking cracked. I rarely think hacks unless it's obvious, but they had INSANE tracking with such a high dpi/sens. Truly envious of that skill.
1. Can someone please tell me why first part of this comment just makes me uncomfortable and makes me feel like person writing it is just dumb?? I literally need someone to explain it to me because I don't understand my feeling. Wtf
2. In the second part I don't think it was because she was women but because she was really good. Any game in which you are good people will tell that you are hacker that's just how it is. But as how it is I can't completely deny that it wasn't because she was woman and it can't be checked unless person literally say that it is why they think someone is cheating, but It also means same other way around, that's why I think we shouldn't jump into conclusions based on things like this because it can be really bad for person you accuse.
woman are constantly told to do things different to avoid hatred and negativity from men, it sucks to see people say "just mute it" instead of "just be nice to everyone"
People won't be nice because you tell them to, but muting them works every time.
That's just people being logical.
@@Ghost-fe1vp its not hard to just be a decent human being
@@liz8986 For some people it's impossible. Hit the mute button and move on.
@@Ghost-fe1vpI get what you mean but the point of it is that the harassment happens way too often. Imagine getting those derogatory comments directed to you 9 out of 10 times. It shouldn't even happen in the first place. Plus with games like these you need to be in communication with your team to play properly.
@@liz8986 It's actually quite rare. Male on Male situations of this are far more common.
Just block the rare troll and move on. It's what I have to do. It doesn't bother me anymore. I understand women are more emotional and cry over this stuff but I don't see how we can 'fix' this without negatively ruin the fun of gaming for men in some ways.
It’s crazy how lud can talk so much and say so little
Did you listen to him at all
You couldn't pass 3rd grade, so i won't judge when you can't understand this video
@@estebab2343Yeah, and he got blown tf out, Hasan and Vaush too.
fluent in yappanese
he’s a streamer, that’s his specialty
Bro barely got through the video
Call me soft if you want to, but I literally have more fun while being nice to everyone in my lobby whilest we are encouraging each other and going for that W. It's just chill and fun vibes. No insults no BS and whenever we do make jokes it's never offensive or rude. We're all adults after all. I understand though, everyone doesn't operate or think the same.
At the very least half decent creative banter would be an improvement
I agree with your comment, I want to give good sportsmanship but people are so angry and rude that it's impossible, I only hope those people can learn to calm down and be nicer, I truely hope.
that's not being soft that's just wanting to have a good time lol
common matagatsu w
I hate people who call being nice "soft", especially if its a man.. (not directed towards OP, just in general, and i do agree, i play video games to chill not throw and receive insults)
I used to hate the fact that my voice sounds like an adolescent boy with a head cold. Now that online gaming lobbies are a thing, it has its advantages. It's like covering yourself in zombie guts before walking into or past a herd.
Scrolling down the comments and this made me chuckle. You have a way with words.
I’m a guy and I have a nasally voice and I get shit on by these people for it lol we can’t win
Hell nah, gamer girl > squeaker any day of the week. All the ogs agree
Omg you made me spit my cereals over my keyboard. thank you hah!
I was so self conscious of exactly the same thing. Then my ambiguous little gremlin voice became a decoy.
“Why feminists ideas make everyone weak” then talks about video games💀💀
Anyone who is reading this from Think Before You Sleep about to write a nasty comment, don't do it, I'm aware that it has already happened, but it makes people like me and other people who really like Think Before You Sleep look terrible, we need to not be dicks to people we disagree with and be able to have conversations with people we disagree with, so stop hating on Ludwig, Think Before You Sleep wouldn't want that.
Yeah I agree, people really should think bevor they comment :D but I can also get the rage and hatred when looking at somebody who is obviously promoting the very same thing. What do you think?
Oh and I should add, I get the feeling that he is spreading the hate by titling the video "this youtuber sucks" If this was directed to me as a person I would feel attacked, even if he commented that nobody should go and harras him, how would his fans read this title and not feel obligated to do so, it's contradicting. That's why I kind of understand the backlash from all the people who are on the side of Think bevor you sleep.
@@MrTriplex2 And I 100% agree with you, and actually the original title was “this youtuber hates women” so I agree with you, but TBYS told us not to come and attack him, so if we don’t, then we are doing something that he wants.
@@FriendlyDawn135-kn5wq Okay, now i think I understand what you mean. Taking away all the attention from this CZcamsr seems to be the best option indeed, since even when people just criticice constructively he wont listen and would even benefit from it through the algorythim of CZcams. Thank you for elaborating!
@@MrTriplex2 Exactly, Ludwig doesn’t seem like the person who can take constructive criticism so hating on him just makes everyone mad at eachother
I used to dress up as a male in games because I didn't want to be hit on by random guys online or even harassed. I started making female toons later on in life but then that's when I had to deal with all of those random people annoying me. I never talked in chats because some people would say "female?" like somebody that has never gone outside and saw a girl before. It's embarrassing for me and embarrassing for them.
harassment isnt something you can avoid by changing which gender you present yourself as at best you can only lessen it
@@madstar44 Then why when people found out I was a girl did the harassment start? I wasn’t being bothered when I was dressed up as a guy? I did this for three years by the way.
@@cskyla1844 i mean i cant say for certain why, im not god but i can say many types of games are more specialized in harrassment, and in many games low skill lobbies tend to be less toxic, i say what i do bc everyone i know, male and female, encounter harrassment/shit talk near daily regardless of gender. maybe you just got better at games man
@@madstar44 Or maybe you don’t experience harassment the minute you walk into a lobby because of your gender. Literally I’ve been in so many countless lobbies because I’m a girl. You seriously don’t see any guy walk into a lobby and instantly get told “shut up male” lol
@@cskyla1844 i never said that there isnt gender based harrassment, just that its never the only type of harrassment in a game
Hearing his views on the differences of how man and woman talk just goes to show that he never really talked to a woman outside of his family before
His family probably find him insufferable aswell lol
YEP, I thought the exact same thing, this guy has not been around many women if he thinks that's how women and men talk
Just like black pigeon speaks
@@kenlee4356 bro that guys is the next level of bad
Tell me about it
Another Lwig classic, a fantastic display of lack of critical thinking.
And another beautiful reply by a lad of culture, cheer 🗿🍷
@@andidyouknow8208bro lmaooo
Mia Mulder made a relevant point in her recent video on sports & gender -- When a culture dumps funding, marketing, and social pressure into a sport, but disproportionately for one gender, the only reasonable outcome is for the number of participants (and therefore, the skill ceiling) to be skewed to that one gender. The "women don't play these sports/video games" argument fails to consider how society has implicitly excluded half the population from being raised with these activities in the first place.
so you're gonna ignore like all the proof that men and women are inherently different? stop thinking society shapes gender. it's the other way around. they poor more funding into men's sports cause more men are interested in that area in general. mens sports is also on another level then womens. not cause sexism but because me literally are faster (by median/general,average) same with video games. why prop up an industry beyond it's true potential with millions just cause your feewing are on the line?
That's definitely a factor, but it's incredibly disingenuous for people to solely focus on social constructs and ignore innate biology.
@@tessahartman7870 yeah like isn't that just called practice?
@@tessahartman7870 reflexes
@@tessahartman7870 I don't think he's talking about video games but rather physical sports
It's insane to me how some people can't tell there's a difference between being told you're shit at a game and getting gendered insults thrown at you because you spoke once in a lobby
Great video as always Lud ❤️
I think a great way for guys to think about it is: If the situation was flipped and only girls were constantly harassing you in game just because you are man, wouldn't you want to complain? Wouldn't you want to try and change that? Anyone who says no is lying to themselves.
Fr. I’ve never been sabotaged or insulted cause I’m a dude, I just whiffed the easiest kill ever. A girl could be the only one with kills on the team and still be lied to and sabotaged
@@colxn The thing is though sure but I still want them to be able to say those things to me, because I don't like the future where they are scared of insulting me. or its "illegal"
This is the only comment I agree with here, it's also the only one not crying because gamers use insults in game chat :)
@@jacobyakus8620 L
Ludwig got destroyed in response video 💀
No he didn't.
@@Coff33Drink3r02yes he did
@@Coff33Drink3r02looks like someone didnt watch the response video lmao
@@user-hp4ow9sm7l Why would I watch a video made by a misogynist shit lord? Nothing he has to say is worth hearing.
As a trans man I’ve been on both sides of this. Before my voice deepened, I’d get shit on for being a woman. Granted, my voice was just deep enough I’d be able to slide by saying I was just a gay man (I am, but I’m not a twink. My voice is just naturally very deep). Granted, I’d then get homophobic comments, but it was better than being called a woman to me. But before I came out, dude it was rough. Like literally, you could literally be carrying a team and someone would make misogynistic comments about you being a woman just cause of your voice. Like they could be dead and u just wiped the other team by urself and they’ll still say ur terrible and u should kys and go back to the kitchen ect… like women even get rape threats thrown at them when they’re winning just because they’re women. It’s so fucking toxic it pisses me off. Literally now, if I go on vc, it’s all super friendly with the occasional rag for being a dumbass. Or people who get unreasonably heated in unranked casual play (like I’ve gotten fill spots and been in for a minute with 30sec spent getting to the team from spawn, and someone will say I’m the reason we’re losing cause I haven’t done enough damage and I should have as much damage as him, who’s been there since the game started. Like bro chill, it’s casual play, not ranked. This isn’t affecting anything). I’ve been in games with women in vc and been called a white knight for telling some little bitch to shut his cracked mouth up for making rape threats and saying some really unsettling shit. And when I tell them I’m literally gay and don’t give a fuck about this woman, they say some wildly homophobic shit. Like it’s disgusting.
twink here, i appreciate you sharing your experiences! you're absolutely right, and i typically only talk shit about people's stats, nothing characteristic about them, just their performance. i try to defend people who are getting shittalked though.. maybe i just like fighting. either way, the "i'm gay" retort always knocks them off guard, and following up with something about how them yelling at you is turning you on typically gets them to stop.
I remember watching a video, I think it was Anthony Padilla, interviewing trans men and the part that surprised me is how all of them unanimously agreed that male privilege was real, how they got treated with more respect by both men and women.
As a women, it really sucked to hear.
its wild how people will just yell at you over things you can't even change about yourself. its almost as if they want to feel powerful even when they've lost in the actual game. it makes them assholes but they think its justified because of their frustration with the game.
@@iipecacuanha yeah my voice is crazy deep now so I don’t get shit on cause I have the deepest voice. The only time I shit on someone for characteristics they can’t control is when a 12 year old decides overwatch is now a COD lobby and starts berating everyone cause we’re losing in qp. Then I deepen my voice to like the f2 - d3 range and tell them to shut up until they can get a credit card without mommy and daddy’s permission. It usually gets them to shut up.
@@kikilocket yeah, I’ve definitely experienced both ends of the spectrum on some level. I mean I’ve always been pretty masc, but from time to time, I’d still get random ass people hitting on me when I’m clearly not in the mood. I’ve always been masc so probably not as much as if I were femme, but now it’s crazy rare for that to happen and women never ask for my number when I’m at work they usually just say I look cute and move on, in the rare instance that happens. Like I don’t have to deal with harassment because no is apparently not a valid answer. People also take my words more seriously than they used to. I’m glad I don’t have to deal with that bullshit anymore, but it sucks that it exists in the first place.
Not being sexist is the bare minimum, but adressing sexism in a community in which you have a lot of influence is a great move. Thanks Ludwig, you're educating people who need it and that is how we change the world.
stop you're destroying male spaces 👿
i mean im only 10 mins in and ludwig is just factually wrong and speaking as if he knows he is correct. THERE IS an innate difference between men and women when it comes to liking games like call of duty or similar shooting games. that is just a fact, its not "society made it that way"
@@DaFifaKid I guess?? But i think what your missing is that yes, girls can have preferences and choose a more relax game like candy crush and that’s fine but it is based on society it’s not socially acceptable for girls to be playing fps and it is because if it wasn’t we wouldn’t be commenting on this videos. There wouldn’t be a bridge between women and men playing games if society didn’t play a role in it. You can reply so I can better understand your comment
@@DaFifaKid "innate" implies biological determinism. Is there evidence of this? Nope. It is very much "society made it that way", it's called gender roles lmao. Please look up what "facts" mean.
@@sugakookies2439 i, as a cis male, hate cod/shooting games and prefer farming sims and rpgs.
Whenever I've been asked "Are you a woman, or a young boy?" I would always reply with "a young boy" even if I was in like a duo or something with someone I knew.
Cause I knew getting treated like a young kid was better than being treated like a woman. If I messed up, I would get a "you'll get it, bro. give it a few years" at best or "go back to fornite, ipad kid" at worst.
I would rather be called an "iPad kid" than anything from the unfortunately long list of insults and names women get called for just existing.
God damn...
this makes me think of all the interactions ive had with squeaky voices lol
Me too! Team Speak with league players and I had a young man once assume I'm a young boy. He started shit talking about women and sexist jokes. I replied with an anti men joke and he said: "that's not cool man" to which I only said: "if you can't distinguish a women from a boy, you shouldn't make sexist jokes." Never saw that prick again on that server.
Sometimes I feel like once men tasted their own medicine, they get so much nicer. But why should we women keep insulting people, just to be accepted? That's bullshit.
In my experience a young child would be bullied more than a female would.
@@huggylul Having 1) been a young kid playing games in the past 2) passed as a man online, and 3) passed as a woman online, I can tell you, number 3 is the worst.
I'm sorry ludwig but spawntaneous is seeking out her interactions, she instigates most of them herself by being rude and obnoxious and honestly if you throw shit at others something might bounce back. Maybe just maybe the fact that she has a series where she makes money from getting peoples reaction should have been a clue.
Bingo
good takes all around and well articulated, 10/10.
Im assuming u mean Ludwig haha
@@fa1th178 well i mean the articles lud showed were all from years ago...
@@uslph. lud showed articles from 2-3 years ago while the guy he was flaming showed shit from 8-9 cause they were the only ones that agreed with his argument, wtf are you on about
@@kittyk86 I agree with something of what Ludwig had to say but he didn't let him complete his point and skimmed around a lot. He also misunderstood a couple of points, could have been a better response tbh.
completely delusional. Not one of his arguments made sense. Literally all strawmen and gaslighting
I don't think an all female team will really help "normalize" women in gaming alone, there's gotta be a mixed team too. I know there's also mixed teams like in the video, but also like in the video they're dogshit, which doesn't really help their case in the mind of a sexist. Tbh i had thought women in gaming was already normal but i'm an MMO/Survival player mainly so i guess women are more visible there.
Unfortunately my friend, take any game, make it competitive and an all male team will absolutely DOMINATE a mixed sex team. Same as in well almost anything. Lol.
@@ArisenMind Well that's extremely sexist but more importantly baseless. I assume you have some sort of sources for that claim?
@@NagaSadow97 Yeah, reality. Lol.
Men dominate almost every competitive arena from physical sports to esports. There is not 1 tall female team , in relation to esports, that has won a single large scale professional tournament
In the physical world, for every female champion, the UFC is a very good example of this, their male champion counterparts outpace and outstrike them.
Sexist? Who gives a fuck? Reality is sexist and discrimantory. Nothing is equal.
@@ArisenMind So you don't have any sources. Don't get me wrong, I know in physical sports trained men pretty much always beat out trained women, that's simply a result of human physiology. However there's no physiological basis that makes men inherently any better than women in a non-physical sport like gaming.
@@NagaSadow97 Well my Nigga, Im quite correct and until there is some cadre of female Esports champion(s) that crushes all the male competition. Until then, Im correct, you aren't.
Reality. Is. Beautiful.
Ludwig really putting the L after he lose that 4v1.
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@@wtfj4462slag no one gave you permission to talk
What is this about? I don’t understand lol
@@Bokosuka-yl7eq I say what I want bum boy
@@grimsyn8174TBYS was getting dogpilled by many youtubers for the anti woke content (forgot who thry were but Ludwig was one of them), looking like TBYS vs the world. Then TBYS made a response video absolutely demolishing the youtubers points hence the TBYS winning 1v4 meme was born.
(For more context watch Archeeto's video titled "He Wasn't Supposed To Win This Beef")
Bro imagine losing a 4v1
as a former girl scout of six years, the boy scout point is so stupid. when i was in girl scouts, i earned badges such as cooking, painting, and cleaning. i never went camping, learned how to make a fire, etc. it seems perfectly logical to me that some girls want to be included in boy scouts because they do different activities then girl scouts and i don’t see a problem with that
I never thought I’d see the day that someone has the same profile picture as me
or girl scouts can just include the activities u mentioned , why even invade boy scouts that kinda seems dumb
@@freemoviescentral3168 why even split the scouts? Where I live we just have scouts with all genders.
@@cahan557 exactly, it really seems pointlessly gendered
Yes! Everyone I've seen bring up this point is not a Boy Scout, and is just getting upset on behalf of the Boy Scouts. As a Boy Scout myself, I think the inclusion is a great thing, and I think most other scouts agree. The Girl Scouts has failed so many girls that want to do fun outdoors things, the Boy Scouts welcomes them!
Dude the point about the boy scouts genuinely ticks me off.
I was a member of the boy scouts (I'm a male), and i had the worst time possible in scouts. It was full of toxic masculinity, where i was bullied relentlessly by all the athletic kids, made fun of because I didn't wanna play manhunt in the forest at night. One of the boys assaulted me while i slept and i somehow got in trouble for fighting him off me, and that same kid burned me in the face with metal water bottle he heated over the fire (i was promptly told "oh you'll be fine, it's just a small burn. Which is flipping wasn't).
Let's not forget the rampant sexual assault cases as previously mentioned. And fun fact for all y'all, my scout master was outed as a pedophile after r*ping his niece, and who's to say he didn't do so to any of the boys (he has been sent to prison, thank goodness).
If anything I'm happy boy scouts got shut down, as girls and young women didn't have to risk going through what many boy scouts (and women all around the world) have had happen to them.
People who say that feminists ruined boy scouts are daft idiots, who need to do actual flipping research.
that is absolutely heartbreaking to hear :(( i hope you've been healing well dude !
you should say fucking instead of flipping, it adds more power to the sentence
People who say that feminists ruined boy scouts are idiots, who need to do ACTUAL FUCKING* RESEARCH.
I’m sorry you had to go through that but I hope you can come to realize that your story is not representative of the whole. I wish you the best
ive never even heard stuff like that happening in the troops in my area, sorry to hear about that. i remember we used to make younger scouts do pushups to punish them but some nutjob parent complained that it was hazing and so they banned it. It was really stupid cuz like the fuck else are we supposed to do when ur kid starts giggling in his fuckin tent at 3 am and you're too shit of a parent to discipline them. It was really the only leverage we had on the kids, other than making them hold the scout sign for like 10 minutes. Physical health is something we promote in scouting, i dont think my troop was particularly toxic about it but then again we didnt do manhunts either
@@corksucker it may not be representative of a whole, but keeping it as is allows it to be open for situations similar to the above to arise. them changing it can well likely be a combative and a preventative course of action.
bro lost a 4v1...no matter how much y'all criticise him, he got valid points and actually encourages to think for yourself and not follow some basement-dwelling youtuber's advice.
There is nothing such as male and female spaces lol😂
@@UserHandle454 well thanks for outing yourself as an idiot
@@UserHandle454Technically your right in most senses of practicality absolutely fucking not.
@@UserHandle454(you also liked your own comment)
Is the title about yourself?
Huh? Was he in drama too? Lol
@@catzilla2402from what i can gather it's entirely 1 sided "drama"
@@LakeGameCreeprif you meant ass whooping yes, but no ludwig did a no no and TBYS gave him the spanking
Straight up, this is why I've always been too scared to play competitive games. I can't handle the back-seating and being talked down to. Shooters already make me anxious because I've never practiced with them, and then having to deal with getting abuse thrown at me the entire time is too much. And then if they aren't being mean they're aggressively hitting on you. No thanks.
*edit* This got more attention than I expected so let me address some things here so that it doesn’t get lost in the replies. The toxic shit that happens regardless of your gender is something that we shouldn’t tolerate as a community. However, if you’re here to leave a comment about how women are just being babies and everyone gets bullied, you’ve missed the point of both my original comment AND the video.
I feel you! I have never really tried competitive shooter games because of this. I've been bullied a lot growing up, why would I revisit that in my spare time for something that I'm trying to do for fun? No thank you! I'll stick with my single player RPGs.
@@Mishian yeah I play games to relax and escape life for a little, not to subject myself to hazing lol
@@swiftdeath8 so don't try a competitive game especially if you haven't put in the time to get better. Try Nintendo games, and online games will be toxic towards everyone as soon as you turn on the Mic. It's a given, that competitive will bring out the worst toxic talk ever,
Clearly these games don't give you enough intrinsic enjoyment of them to be worth dealing with all those things. I deal with them as a guy (maybe not the hitting on me part but hey who likes being found attractive anyways amirite?), but the satisfaction of getting better outweighs the struggle of getting better. If you don't enjoy the game itself that much then you are making a pretty normal decision to avoid it and avoid the negatives with it
Lol, we are not nice to each other either. Deal whit it jesus.
"It's fun because it gives guys a chance to say all the things that we aren't allowed to say everywhere else..."
My guy took the mask off and just yeeted it into the fucking sun
My question would be, what is he saying that he isn't normally allowed to say?
@@cordingdesert9566 slurs
@@cordingdesert9566 The guy is named think before you sleep
He's a incel and mgtow grifter
He once said "I don't know much about sharia law" even though his fans are promoting sharia law in his comments which on itself it's extremely dangerous
Says in the next clip "I researched everything and I know what I'm talking about"
See, he knows if he acknowledges Sharia law with his fans , he'll get demonetized by CZcams, if openly says he doesn't support Sharia law , he'll lose his fans and his supporters
Ludwig is right he's a grifter
He also has racist takes on white women who date black men and refers to them as "Tyrone"
How much he hates the team or just basic toxicity
People get banned for saying ggez so I dont think it’s slurs
Just shows where ur mind whorls jump to first
@@duckysteamc4995 absolutely *nobody* gets banned for saying ggez
They might get banned for saying "ggez [slur]s" though
Funny how ludwig got his ass kicked after Think before you sleep responded with another video
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@@hiidenkiuascheck his reaction video . TBYS made valid points and ofc Ludwig didn't responded or he couldn't.
@@hiidenkiuas yeah it did, check thinks response video. Ludwig got absolutely cooked by him. And shows that ludwig was taking all of his criticisms out of context
Love how the guy that the people above me “hiidenkius” or sum deleted his comment after getting cooked (i dunno what he said tho)
yeah@@shutup342
I am a 21 year old man and still have to mute every lobby because my voice is apparently high so I constantly get just the absolute worst people in my lobbies calling me like a 12 year old girl and shit. Nobody should be acting like this I mean we should be trying to welcome people into this awesome community.
Same age as you with a somewhat high pitched voice. Start training in the gym if you don't already, the testosterone lowers it
I genuinely feel so bad for people who's voices deepen late or they dont deepen enough. I have friends who just naturally have a high pitched voices and see how much shit they get in the games their in, it make me feel very lucky to have my voice start deepening at 11.
@@TaxEvader56 Wasn't trying to seem like a crybaby either but like it even affects relationships outside of gaming. Try getting people to take you seriously at work when you have a high pitched voice as a 21 year old dude. Its just weird that people have this idea that there is a right or wrong voice to have. Seems idiotic to me. Glad to know that some people acknowledge it though so thanks:)
Unfortunately, most of the online gaming community is not awesome , almost everyone is toxic and trying to pretend they're not gives the wrong impression
@@joeldawson5392That’s really not true. There’s a lot of toxic people and a lot of kind people too
Imagine comparing being harrassed in a public lobby to shit talking with friends and concluding women just don't get it. Like what?
Imagine believing people have more respect for randoms in a pub match then their friends
@@jacobyakus8620 Respect is a two-way street, just like any conversation. If you and your friend have an agreement to say certain offensive things to each other in private, then by definition you are respecting each other's wishes. And if you say something offensive, your friend knows that you don't mean it.
Strangers don't have that luxury. In public lobbies, anything offensive you say comes at the expense of everyone else there. They have no idea what you "really" mean, so obviously, as a decent human being who doesn't intentionally cause others distress and discomfort through toxic behavior, you don't say offensive things to strangers.
@@jacksonmax12 competitive games will be competitive, mix that with the internet and I wish you all the best in trying to rid video games of PG13 voice chat, god speed friend.
@@jacobyakus8620 Jacob you’re not an idiot, so I’m sure you understand the difference between the way you speak to someone you are friends and have rapport with, and a complete stranger. Playing dumb has never looked cute on anyone Jacob.
@@JC-bs5pd videogame pub lobbies are different then real life. Do you play GTA going 60 on the highway?
He actually said "men aren't going around trying to changes women's spaces" meanwhile all the gross 60 y.o men are arguing against Roe v Wade rn trying to literally control what women can do WITH THEIR BODY. Not trying to start a debate on that here just pointing out how horribly incorrect everything he is saying is.
With this, you're doing the same thing he's doing. Generalizing.
It ain't about men or women, it's about people. The sooner we all realize it, the quicker we figure all of this out.
men "aren't going around changing women's spaces" because they've created societal norms and patriarchal expectations to ensure those spaces are already changed lol
@@ElSheepodoggo shut up lmao
well put
did you just compare video gaming toxicity to abortion rights?
L ludwig, TBYS destroyed you in the response video.
so true lol
TBYS has controversial opinions which is why so many people respond without actually considering the points. I feel like Ludwig isn’t listening to the video because so many people already made up their minds.
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Not only that, but even if it was directed towards Timmy, the dynamic of a friend insulting a friend in a game and a stranger insulting a stranger is COMPLETELY different.
My friend group is completely willing to call each other dogshit, because we’re friends and we know no one really means it. We know that we’re not actually holding grudges or anything. That doesn’t apply to 5 randoms in a lobby.
I swear almost anyone with any level or amount of social interaction is aware of this.
Nice job clown now go watch his response and don' t answer to questions that were already answered or adress the things that were already adressed how about that?
When the dude said “this is a man’s job” that made me physically cringe
Edit: 100 likes thx
That statement is ironically the least manly thing you could say lol
All while getting hard carried as well lol
@@user-li8sr9zo9l true lol
Probably the most physical activity you've had in decades
@@12magner05
He didn't get hard carried...I think.
Can we also mention the fact that Timmy was able to deescalate the situation because he was in a position of authority, being a professional. Whereas women in most male-dominated spaces are immediately seen as inferior, and therefore would not be taken at all seriously if they simply told mysoginistic players to stop.
Exactly, the point he made was that timmy stopped being harassed because he was a popular streamer... doesnt work for popular female streamers thats for sure.
Also he's in a discord call with his friends, which will usually be more understanding when you call them out unlike an angry mysoginst gamer on a random lobby
That has nothing to do with gender. Even if a guy told some random ass players to stop being misogynistic he'd get laughed at and not be taken seriously
@@topgeorge6908 no it definitely has something to do with gender. women are seen as inferior to men in gaming because they’re “worse” and therefore aren’t taken as seriously as a man would be.
@@annamowry0531 nah if you're gonna preach you're gonna get shit on regardless if you're a man or woman
This video aged horribly
EDIT: everyone below my comment is arguing over stupid shit.
how
@@samantha-uo2giTBYS clutched a 4v1 against multiple breadtubers and now is being deplatformed by an angry white girl for being critized
@@andidyouknow8208doesn’t mean it aged horribly it just means there are two problems to work on now
@@beijingese yes it does. ludwig fully an absolutely lost a godamn 4v1 against a guy basically minding his own buisness and then people try to cook him for a differing opinion then them
@@andidyouknow8208 wtf but he’s just the messenger
In the end: cant we just be nice to each other?
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This is one of the main reason why I don’t play competitive games :( my girlfriend does, and I sometimes like to watch her play but the amount of insult and harassment is way too much for me, it makes the game very unenjoyable even if it was fun in the first place, I don’t want to go through that while trying to relax
Never seen any girl harassed since I started gaming
@@Rusty01 dude... did y watch the video... there is a clear example of that. Just bc y didnt see, doesn't mean it doesn't happen
@@nathS2 he never said girls don't get harassed just that hes himself has never seen a girl getting harassed in a game
Bro I can't play on comms anymore and I'm a dude. Respect to the girls out there who play through it
@@Rusty01 congratulations on starting gaming! I know it was a long 2 hours in between firing up Harvest Moon for the first time and leaving this comment, but maybe next time wait until you have something productive to add to the conversation before you post? Cheers, mate!
I had no idea the gender neutral nicknames thing was so widespread... I've had to do just that, multiple times in my life to get by, and I really thought I was the only one. that honestly makes me really sad
im moderately surprised most ppl guess im male in games with a name like muffin
@@madstar44 i think people tend to assume you're male regardless unless you have a name like "xx_unicornsparkles_xx" and even then, they think you're a guy taking the piss.
I've used both gender-neutral gamertags and feminine ones, and i tend to be presumed male regardless, even with names reminiscent of "hope" and "sugarrushxx" and "rosegarden
@@madstar44 IGNS like Cherrry, ButterflyWhisperer, Skylaaar, InvaderPenguin, Darkluna. 10/10 times I would assume this was a legitimate girl playing, never seen someone who didn't turn out to be a catfish use muffin as an ign, I find a lot of real womens igns usually include two words which are usually some makeup of a sweet food, a cute animal or something to do with stars / moon
@@voxol744 maybe you need to talk to more women, i know 3 or 4 called muffin
@@voxol744 mine is fart...