🔴 Leica iii camera comparison (aka Leica Barnack cameras) incl. Leica iiia vs Leica iiig Review
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- Leica iii camera comparison explaining the different Barnacks + Leica iiia review & Leica iiig review
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Video #2 highlighting the how good vintage Leica iii cameras are: Leica iiia vs Leica iiig Review (Video also covers Leica iiig vs M3 as these cameras are very similar). Leica Barnack camera comparison + specs summary + some B roll of me using the Leica iii cameras on a model shoot.
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Hi Matt, as with most things with Leica cameras, it’s the little things in improvements that make the difference. The Barnack cameras are the best deals in Leica these days. They are a basic camera in a small well built size. My favorite Barnack is the last of the original smaller sized body, the Leica IIIb. The viewfinder/RF were moved closer together, the RF diopter adjustment was moved out of the way under the rewind, the older style brass shutter cage, and the body and lens mount were more rigid with brass stiffeners. Not many made and difficult to find in good condition (wartime years use and survived). Put a 50mm external finder in the [also improved spring loaded] cold shoe for a life sized 1:1 clear and bright view, and the IIIb is a great user Barnack.
Thanks for sharing. Some great details there! Yes it's not until you get to know a system that you can really start to enjoy the finer points from certain camera models.
The Leica IIIg was manufactured from June 1956 until sometime after February 1960 when the last batch was assigned serial numbers.
Thanks for the exact info. I was likely relying on website information here. Great camera!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom cameraquest has all the rangefinder info you could ever want
Very intresting ! More and more I use your video collection as my photography archive when I am looking for some information. In this video you give us a clear demonstration of the use of the wrist strap simultaniously with the classical camera strap ! Greetings, Roger.
Thanks Roger, great thanks, that is the aim of my channel I guess, a 1 spot place for information :)
The summary table at the end of the video is difficult to read so I embedded a larger version at the end of this article - mrleica.com/barnack-leica-comparison/
Matt, I've been drawn towards the Leica iii series, however I've heard that trimming the film leader needs to be done quite precisely otherwise bits of film can cause issues. Also the leader causes some other types of malfunctions. Oh... the focal plane shutter can get damaged by the film and by the sun. What's your take on that? They are affordable and charming.
Sorry for the delay Guy. Cutting is fine. I rip film sometimes if I have no scissors. All clothes shutter cameras are the same in the sun. M6, iiig etc.
Hi mat , great video as always. I have the IIIF RD and currently bidding on a IIIG! I can say hands down aside from my M2 and M3 these Leica III are by far my favourites. The design , the ascetic , the whole feel to this beautiful design is just a super joy to use. I will say hands down No other M aside from M2 and 3 comes even close to the beauty of these cameras. Thanks Dominique.
Dominique Collard yes I completely agree with you! I have a IIF RD (see latest video) which I bought as slightly lighter and even though I’m probably using Voigtländer RF cameras more the IIF wins for build and beauty! IIIG are nice with bigger RF but I find myself using the smaller pre-G ones more.
I never get tired watching your videos. Next time, Zara should have Matt photograph her with a 90 f/2 LTM, and when at a safe distance, run away with his iiig, ensuing a chase through subterranean passageways to the Nell in Covent Garden, ending with a gratuitous surrender involving a thick pint 😎
Haha thanks Steve!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Do you know who replaces Leica iiif shutters (other than Youxin Ye).
keep it up, very helpful video .
Thanks Kegan! More videos coming soon! :)
I never thought about the Leica III cameras. But today I woke up and I was finding myself wanting to own a 3g ; ) So I got here ; ) I hate the loading because of the film cutting thing but I would love to try these old machines. Here in Hamburg Germany there is a big Leica store and they have almost every model so the chances are super good to get a cool old retro Leica. Lets see.
Thanks.. that is a good thing to wake up to ha :) Film cutting isn't so bad. You get used to it. See last nights video on a similar topic! :)
Is the extra expense justified for that larger viewfinder? Is it much better? Is the viewfinder on the G similar to a Contax G1 (if you know it)? Thanks
M3 is better if you own M glass and faster / more accurate for focusing on non static subjects (like people). If you like LTM lenses and shoot landscape get the III no question. I’ve not tried that Contax.
I have been watching your Leica related videos and enjoyed them. Many Thanks. Just one question on these two cameras; is IIIg a bit longer than the IIIa? I was told that the body of the screw mount bodies got longer by 3mm from IIIc on. I have a IIIf but it does not fit into an old small Leica hard kit case from the 1930s. Cheers.
Thanks. I’m not sure if the exact measurements but yes the G is bigger , that’s why I still tend to use the smaller A model. Love the size!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Many Thanks.
att,
Zeiss eagle's are needed to look through
the small and dim Leica II G viewfinder.
The cheapest East German 1960 point and shoot
camera had a brighter and bigger viewfinder.
I doubt a Leica III G is better than any 1980
auto focus, auto winder, built in flash, f/2,8 lens
point and shoot camera from Tokyo.
Come and get my Made in Japan camera to
check the quality, like Mr. Ed van der Elsken once did.
Thanks Jaco!
Hi again! At your leisure I'd appreciate your recommendations on 28 to 35mm SM lenses (Zeiss, Voigtlaender, etc.) for my iiif. I discovered it with the 50mm Summitar f2--quite a good lens from f8 on down, but 35mm is my favorite when I'm shooting with 35mm cameras. P.S. Your vids are the best thing on CZcams.
Hi Jeremy! Canon LTM are good 28 2.8 / 35 1.8 / 35 2 / 35 2.8. I use currently 28 2.8 Canon + 35 2.5 Skopar (28mm Skopar will also be excellent but normally costs more)
I always enjoy your videos. Have learned so much. I have a Leica IIIg that I inherited from my father. It has a screw mount. I am a little confused as to the various mounts on the Leicas. As this is a IIIg and has a screw mount, can you confirm that it has to be the so called L39?
Hi Martin, i'm glad you found this video and nice to hear you have a iiiG! That is the best/ ultimate Leica iii camera. Yes all bodies have the same L39/LTM mount.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks for your reply. It is probably about 45 years since I last loaded film in this camera, -under the supervision of my father. I am working on building the courage to load it again. The camera has a Summarit 50 mm 1,5 lens. This lens has, from what I understand, some characteristics that today is a sought-after vintage look. I was thinking of trying to find an adapter try it out on my Canon EOS R. I promise I will try to shoot the Leica too 🙂
@@martinroeeidhammer9108 yes it’s a good Lens, see the video I made for example photos. If you are worried about loading we can setup a zoom call and load it with me watching. See MrLeica.com/zoom :)
Wait this is crazy I just bought a barnack! It’s my first Leica!
TangyOrange Hi great choice!! Which camera did you get?
British Micheal Keaton. Well done sir, well done.
Haha thank you! :) Doing my best. They will get better!
I have Leica iiig recently but had to send my lens for CLA at YYeCAMERA. I’m thinking to add Leica iiia to my collections just because of the size. Thanks as always to your awesome reviews of these two classic cameras. Cheers!
funBichons it will be well worth the CLA I’m sure. I love the Leica iiia and use that much more of the 2, and the price is very reasonable. Thanks for watching and your kind words! Happy I could ‘help!’ :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Matt the difference between the later 111C and 111f +G is that these later Barnacks are a single solid cast body whereas prior. Barnacks have top added to the body. That's why I always went for C or F. The problem I also had with the 111C was the film could fall slightly and image would overlap holes. The 111F cured that problem with a tab on the bottom plate that keeps film in place. Look at bottom of your new 11f afte you take it off and you will see a tab maybe 1 cm long sticking straight up. The curious thing I do not understand is that the 111a seems to cost more than the C or F and I ike F best. By the way the difference between 111F red dial and black dial is red dial has a different slightly improved shutter. later, je
@@johnelder7449 thanks John! Very useful. I got the iiia only because I wanted the lens. That single purchase lead to r try LTM lens and every Barnack camera / cline that followed. I had no idea of the LTM world that waited for me! Best purchase I ever made in that respect. :)
Love your Leica iii portraits. I really struggle to achieve adequate focus for a nice portrait with the tiny rangefinder window on my iiif, especially when shooting large apertures with a low d.o.f. Seems almost impossible with a subject who isn't completely static and unnatural - any tips?
Thank you! Nail them to a tree before taking photos! Sorry joking. Yes I keep my models still or if they keep moving I don’t use that type of camera. Maybe practice on static subjects so you know focus is accurate in camera RF. I find iiig the best as the others suffer with parallax.
Thank you! Nail them to a tree before taking photos! Sorry joking. Yes I keep my models still or if they keep moving I don’t use that type of camera. Maybe practice on static subjects so you know focus is accurate in camera RF. I find iiig the best as the others suffer with parallax.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks- I will persist in nailing, practicing and upgrading through the Leicas until I achieve perfection 😁👍
I see one of the camera stores I regularly buy from has a Leica 0; Leica I; Leica IG; and Leica IIIG. I don't shoot film and most likely won't start but I would like to add one to my collection because they look nice and as a future financial investment. Which do you think would be the best investment financially?
Hi James! Yes some of these are definitely nice just to hold! Gs are the most premium, IIIG being top. Depends which Leica 0 & I.. best condition ones are the best investment with IIIG or black bodies or old ones very old being good buys.
I'm thinking IIIf RDST. Good info in this video.
Good choice and thanks for stopping by!
Matt great video. I love the leica screwmount cameras as well. I now have a 111F bd. I got it in mint - condition, new curtains and cla for a price you would not believe. I do not understand why you like the 111a over the 111f? I do not particular like the 111g because it is bigger and the finder I do bot really find better. I am using the 111F with the voightkander 21mm ltm f4 with finder. On the street I shoot 3 lenses:21mm, 35mm, and 50. Right now the lens not mounted is the 50. Going to get a 3rd body for 50mm, now looking at an M4. Your composition would be faster if you used Auxillary finders on the 111a, even for the 50mm lens. I appreciate the way you are able to handle 2 and 3 cameras at same time switching back and forth. On film developing , you said you were developing 12 tolls per week. Processing film is the only part of photography I consider work. I usually an 6 months behind. When I develop film I use two 5 roll Patterson tanks and develop 10 rolls in 2 to 3 hours and can dry 20 rolls in a tall closed cabinet. In a crunch I can and have processed 20 rolls in an evening since I have 20 reels. You might want to consider bigger tanks. These caneras are still.professional cameras and really these days you only see very good photographers using them. You work very well with the model. Thanks for the video
Thank you John! Lots to talk about there! Since I have picked up a iif and that is my main body now. Iiig is good as parallax corrected I found (important if in close) and yes I use a 50mm finder on top now too sometimes. I picked up a Ic for 15/21/25/28mm especially and will use iiF mostly for 35/50mm. Developing depends on how much I’m shooting. I try to do a minimum of 6 rolls but I’ve done a few 3s recently if testing cameras. There will be at least 2 more Leica screw mount camera videos to come to follow the recent Ic video. Hopefully you’ve discovered the Elmar 50/3.5? If not that is the best walkabout lens on these cameras. I’ve collected quite a few lenses so reviews on each will follow in my LTM lenses Series 2 reviews.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Matt, I have been shooting since 1982. BFA Photography RIT 1987. First leica 1989 M6 new. I have owned 3 other Leica screwmounts. i initially wanted one to use for 21mm. However the first 3 cameras would have virtually no space between negatives with a 21mm len's or frames would overlap. tried skipping every 6rh frame but that was i.possible. The 111F I have now is perfect. I think it came from the estate of a collector and was not used at all. Cosmetically looked new a year ago. I shot it a lot. The 50 mm I use is a 4th version cron on the M6. My story on my favorite focal length 35mm is too long to tell. I do not think you have displayed a lens I was not familiar with. I am also messing around with a 50mf1.5 Sonnar but have not yet set it up right. Another problem and a story. What I like about you and your videos is unlike 90%of CZcams photography videos , you are a very good teacher and I have learned a couple things from you and your videos arw just interesting because I love photography and you know what you are talking a out surprisingly great considering the relatively short time you have been doing photography. , a mere decade and 1/2 at most. Hey I sent you 2 emails. first was a message, second was a link from my last show, a retrospective in 2017. Love what you are doing. Get in tough after you read the 2 emails I sent tonight. Stay safe and healthy
@@johnelder7449 thanks for all the info John and if I taught you something too that’s great! Yes less than 8 years with Leica and maybe 12yr total but my passion drives a steep learning curve. I was teaching after 3yrs. My parents were both teachers, Dad was a headmaster so maybe it’s in the blood! I will try to get to your emails today. I get a lot of messages with Patreon, CZcams, Flickr, Instagram, Facebook and so on.
@@johnelder7449 ..and yes I’ve noticed the close frame spacing on these older cameras. No overlap but it was noted. I wondered if it adds up to an extra frame on a roll ha.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Actually the image area is greater even with a 50mm
Hi, excellent videos on Leica's. I've been shooting with a iiic with Summitar 5cm f2 lens for years but recently wanted a M2 or M3 to try and as an investment. Based on your earlier video about the M2 being better than the M3 for composing with 35mm lenses I went that route and bought one with a new TTArtisan 35mm f/1.4. The reviews I have read about this lens describe a good value. Have you tried one? I also ordered an M39 to M mount adapter (also based on your suggestion) so I can use the screw mount Summitar on the M2. Thank you for providing this wealth of information.....a great service!
Thanks Ew, yes the M2 should be 'better than the iic for many applications. The TTA lenses are supposed to be good for the cost but not perfect. No I don't own any. M39 yes great idea. If you like this type of information you can find more on my www.patreon.com/mrleicacom site. If you want to save money before buying your next lens you can message me and I can advise you. (I use the site to teach, mentor and hopefully save people some money!) :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Matt, received my Leica M2 with TTA 35mm 1.4, and I am really pleased with both of them. I did a comparison roll between the TTA and Summitar 5cm (with adapter) and they are hard to tell apart. The M2 is much easier to shoot with as you mentioned in your other video. if you are interested, check out a new group I started on fineartamerica.com called the "Black and White Film Group". fineartamerica.com/groups/black-and-white-film-group.html
It would be great if you joined! Thanks again for your service and I will check out that patreon website.
James
I just picked up a black and nickel 1933 Leica iii (no letter), and I'm wildly in love with the size! But that tiny focusing window is rough. I'm going to get it CLA'd, in hopes that might help.
I find that I'm almost guessing at a certain point whether it's in focus beyond maybe 2.8. It that the experience you have, too?
Woo black one! Nice! I will still try to get a black early model one day. No if you get a clean copy you can see, some have diopters which help me a lot. You can use it for wide lenses and then you don’t need to focus.. I just got a camera to do that with, I’ll share in a future vid. If a good lens I have shot at f2. I did some selfie tests to finish a roll so will post to Flickr soon as examples/ sharpness etc.
The closest I got to that "bucket list/collector's item" Leica IIIg was a Red Dial/Self Timer Leica IIIf with a scratched up 50mm f/2 Collapsible Summicron. Later, I "got close to M" with a "Shutterbud Ads" Canon P, complete with case and accessory shoe-mounted Selenium cell light meter and 50mm f/1.8 lens, sometime in the 1970's. That "using the Leica IIIa as a prop" reminds me of a classic image, "The Photojournalist." by Andreas Feininger
www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk02Xix5KKd1rqOv0e2_KFVDjJ7nxYA:1592682653219&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=the+photojournalist+picture&client=firefox-b-1-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjsuaOelZHqAhUPIjQIHZHTAAIQsAR6BAgHEAE&biw=1600&bih=786#imgrc=d7i-D1XYVdHIvM
Thanks, ah yes I know the image! Very famous! The Canon 50mm f1.8 is an excellent lens! (See my Canon LTM lens video. I use it. Very good)
Ihr Leica-Experten; III a und III g bedeuten 3a und 3g, jedoch mit römischen Ziffern. Verwenden Sie keine Kleinbuchstaben
Thanks, yes people call them Leica ‘3’ cameras. I didn’t know about capitals. Thanks
Backstage is good
Add imagination! Thanks for watching!
Leica never released a Leica IIIe, because A and E are pronounced almost the same in English.
Thanks Bart, great info!
Hi Matt you mentioned about trying to load film in your Leica without cutting the film and had a problem with this, well I found a Japanese video showing you how to do this, perhaps you have already seen it. czcams.com/video/hvhwCe_OU24/video.htmlsi=I60D8ZVVjRw-qUaa
Learn to use the shift key no Leica is called ii or iii. It must be Roman numerals. II or III
Thanks Tommy, I see it written both ways so good to know thanks.
Keule, bleibe ma ruhig, ist ja schwerer als eine Geburt wie du fotografierst.
Ha thanks