Strong navy is crucial to see off Russian and Chinese threats says British Admiral
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- “We are in an incredibly dangerous world.”
Steadily cutting the UK’s defence budget over the last 15 years was a “very silly and dangerous thing to do”, says former first sea lord Admiral Lord West.
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As an Island Nation our Navy is absolutely essential.
Has been for the past 400-500 years. The senior service was what projected our sole superpower status for almost 150 years. How the older generations would be ashamed for what the royal navy has become. Once the most powerful navy on earth, and now a mere fraction of its former self.
We can't police the channel, wake up! 😂😂😂😂😂
@@MarkFarrington-hb2ne But that's a political choice.
Article 33 of UNCLOS allows every coastal state to 'prevent' people infringing its migration laws and regulations.
Its the same political choice that has depleted our military during the past 30 years.
@@MarkFarrington-hb2neNot the navy's job. Leave that to the police etc.
What Navy is that?
Times radio went from declaring Putin can't win to dire proclaminations in less than a day
How're we going to revive shipbuilding at the same time as shutting down steel production and port Talbot?
You need ship building in the UK for resilence, technical capability, experienced workforce and scaleability. Fleet Auxiliaries need a defensive capability overseas manufacture unwise and balance of payments wise wasteful. Build capacity and enable capacity for overseas orders as well. Government said they want to build increased ship building capacity in UK they have to mean it and stick to it.
They don't mean it....get real....lying b******* all of them
He'd hardly say anything else would he?? But lets take a good hard look at the problems, we no longer produce steel, we have no shipyards or drydocks, nor skilled workforce, we can't get crews, we have no overseas bases and Cameron is about to give away the most important Gibraltar, we no longer have a Merchant Navy and would starve in a conflict, but perhaps the greatest obstacle is time, if we ordered a new fleet today it will be years before it is delivered and ready, we are finished, face it.
You are one long winded BS merchant.
The navy think it needs more big ships. Nooooo
No, the navy knows it needs more small ships
@MrPaulBellingham true the two air craft carriers don't have planes or escorts
if UK wants to protect its trade routes...yes. Carrier Strike groups
Lord West was instrumental in cutting the Navy for the sake of aircraft carriers.
Given the number of MPs and Brexiteers with links to Russia, maybe we need a full Russia investigation first.
The conservative/liberal coalition from 2010 cut defence spending year after year. Under Labour we was spending upwards of 5% or 6%. Labour needs to have 4% on defence as a manifesto issue and actually campaign on that
It was Cameron and Osbourne who were responsible for the initial plan for hollowing out of the UK 's armed forces. Now look at the mess we've inherited from 14 years of Tory governance across all aspects of Public Services !!
Lord West is correct. The priority is to increase the size of the Royal Navy and the RAF. European NATO partners must provide the backbone of land forces. UK needs to get to 3% GDP by 2007. That's for starters.
I think you meant 2027 ? Aside from that, I agree with 95% of your comment.
Russia: this is its last war. February 24, 2022 n October 7, 2023
@@geofo60 yes, I did
What everyone seems to be missing is it’s okay to build your ships in uk. But where is the steel coming from. As far as I know we seem to have given all our steel industry away. 😊
The aircraft carriers were built with Swedish steel at the expense of jobs in Port Talbot. Joined up thinking from our wonderful government.
Totally agree. In fact if UK had more heavy manufacturing maybe there be fewer people on welfare. It hard for young people to get good jobs anymore, what choice do they have?
Really old guy says 'things need to be more like it was when In was younger'. He might be right, but being an ex-Admiral does not change the fact that he is behind the times. What do current admirals think? Personally, I give them more credibility than some guy who does not have justify his choices.
Kind of like how under his command russia collapsed and there were no wars in Europe. Probably good idea to listen to him lol, especially the part when he asserts what a joke the russian navy is
@@dpelpal I doubt Russias collapse had anything to do with who was top dog in the royal Navy at that time. The Russian navy has always been a joke ever since the Japanese defeated them in 1911. Russia is a land power and always has been. As for no wars in Europe. I think that is down to Nukes.
Since 1970's British manufacturing has gone down hill.
Shib building
Nuclear power stations
Aircraft
All the thousands of jobs and the skill sets if generations have been lost.
So design and build in our own country.
Don't forget that roughly 30% of the money spent goes back to the government in tax, it doesn't if you pay somebody abroad.
NHS waiting lists are dangerous, nobody is invading us
One wonders why people are lining up at the border to get _into_ the UK, and OUT of russia
Funny how people are lining up at the UK border to get IN, and they're lining up at the russian border to get OUT
Funny how people are trying to get across the border into the UK, and are lining up at the russian border to get OUT.😂😂😂
You, in Sept, '39: "The invasion of Poland is unfortunate, but no justification for increasing our military spend. Nobody is invading us ..."
@@fg_arnold Maybe you're stuck in '39, but some of us are not.
15 years ? 30 years more like. I would have asked Lord West why the Type 22 frigates were disposed of without being replaced under the last Labour government ? Why the Type 45 order was halved, from 12 to 6 ships, under the last Labour government ?
These reductions had implications not only for our defense but also for our ship building and steel industries that they have never recovered from. The same for many of our tank factories which shut under the last Labour government due to no new designs or orders being received.
And of course government departments can't beat the Treasury. The Prime Minister is First Lord of the Treasury.
Reckon we are 40 years away from getting back our Navy, if we build ships and train fighting men...NO WE HAVENT CUT OUR NAVY IN THE PAST 15 YEARS...ITS BEEN AT LEAST 50 YEARS
Thoroughly RETIRED British Admiral says exactly what one might expect. Rain expected later. Cat found after massive local search. Wind variable.
You're in favour of outsourcing defence, despite the risk this poses? Madness.
Why bother we have lost this country already
Its the Banks putting in the money for Harland and Wolff. The government back the loan through UKEF. This will create 1000s jobs in Northern Island and create competition within the Brutish ship building industry.
The army and airforce also need to be strong, they hadn't better sub them out to foreign builders, we can't bake a cake anymore.
It will take this wee country 400 years to build up a Navy capable of invading Peru.
Jeez! Get a room!
Strong (and inexpensive) aerial and naval drone game
Gosh; that is incredibly insulting and flipant, that money saves a Nation NOT the principle or the rules of law on war matters.
As much as saving peoples lives from total disaster death tolls.
Are the Navy going to mop the decks of both ships then?
Navies will go the way of horse cavalry unless someone can think up effective ways of preventing drone attacks.
Russia is the only country to lose a naval war to a country with no navy😂
@@dpelpalso for a thick person to understand they armed by western countries , Ukraine hasn’t got sea drones
maybe.....
The Ukrainian war and the vulnerability of Russia's black sea fleet to swarm drones both under and over the water has actually exposed naval power as highly vulnerable and potentially expired.
Ukraine has developed sea drone capabilities and strategies that did not exist 5 years ago, and this will continue. The game has changed, and capable ships have now become targets with compromised defenses
It’s not Ukraine drones , simpleton !
Shut up! 🤡
Ukraine didn't create anything. It spends your taxes on war PR. And it doesn't work. Congrats?
It depends on the strategic positioning and tactical use. The Black Sea is a relative bathtub. If missiles can be launched from the middle of the Atlantic, I doubt there is a drone that can touch them.
actually, sea drones have been around for 10 years, just that now we get to see them used.
Not sure big ships are the answer since the Russians have developed small underwater drones which can take them out. As for the the US carriers, they would need to keep them south of Taiwan in any conflict with China, as the CCP have developed carrier killing missiles on their mainland coast.
thats the thing with carriers. you can project power from a distance
Things don't grow over night. This is a problem of long term, stategic thinking of British Industry. Sadly its too late, things are going to be a mess if a war breaks out with Russia.
Wants a navy but doesn't want British people to have jobs
The Old heads, know
While the physical reasons that caused the RN to once be the worlds eminent - we are an island - have not changed, technology has moved on.
Airpower, missles and counter EW are priority over navy hulls though more expensive.
Ships are targets for missiles (Subs are fine) As a ignorant dirtsucker I fear the mistake we're making is building expensive ships that are viable missile targets - in small numbers with low economy of scale.
If we want ships, we should have a large navy of hundreds of small, low value ships with only specialized or limited missile / counter missile / EW capacity for dispersal of targets and coverage that can be quickly replaced and do not represent a major event if lost, as opposed to expensive power projectors that are huge setbacks when damaged.
The ships we are building take way way too long to design, construct, repair and service by which time the tech is always at risk of being outdated, plus price wise they have to compete cost / effective with ground and air forces.
Alternative we need to be Much Much Much better at mass producing Navy platforms faster and cheaper and I don't see that happening.
Honestly, right now we would be much stronger militarily if we ditched all the navy construction capacity and bought wholesale off America. They would then have more orders, more money, more economy of scale meaning all our ships would be better quality. Our pride prevents that.
That’s why we have yanks…
How much? 😁
No fear, the US Navy will continue to patrol and visit the Solent...
Our navy is so good our border is open to anyone!
What a load of twoddle.
Monty Python military led by Monty Python Defence Secretary Can't Shapps aka Michael Green - with a "pint-sized loser" PM.
Russia is the only country on the planet to lose a naval war to a country with no navy🤣
Why would Russia invade this septic isle? What could we possibly have that Russians would die for? Suggestions....
Liz Truss rates the regional cheeses, apparently.
Why would Russia attack.... hmmm....... engage imagination.......They might want to do a pre-emptive strike to prevent Muslim Jihadists from taking over the UK government and gaining access to the old Nuclear arsenal! 😁
I am sure there are many who won't morn too much if London became a crater.
Just saying we got our domestic problems to juggle too.
There are roughly 40 serving Admirals in the Royal Navy.
Guess how many ships...
Like how Ukraine has no navy and has totally destroyed russia's black sea fleet with remote control toys
@@dpelpal According to your logic, the British Navy could be abolished.
There are 2 Admirals. Admiral Radakin and Key. There aren't even 40 Commodores. Such tabloid nonsense.
@@tommycundy Not quite. But I think the OP is confused over the purpose of an Admiral, be it Full, Vice or Rear.
@@MrPaulBellingham Even in that case it’s not 40. Find my a single piece of evidence, no matter how spurrious the link, that there are 40 rear, vice or full admirals. I’m so bored of people doing our hard-working navy down.
UK needs submarines, and quickly, Portsmouth Plymouth, Scotland can build ships
When the announcement was made, I'm sure that BAE were mentioned with regards to the upcoming contracts. Also many of the structures for the new ships will be modular, enabling them to be built "off site" & transported to the dockyards for final assembly.
UK needs to spend money on its own people, not pretending its a serious military power any more.
But we *are* a strong military, that's the whole point.
What?
The UK is a serious military power. It's also operating as a peace time force.
Our own people ARE looked after and secured if we build a strong military. Look at the Nordic states, look at the Balkans. Arming themselves to the teath and mandatory consumption Armies. Now ... The UK could save money and dispand it's professional force in exchange for a conscription based one like what we see on in the countries - would that be preferable? It's a serious option too! But we would need to stockpile equipment regardless... And we don't have anything like we had equipment wise 15-20 years ago.
@@jatkinson9476 absolutely. And the job creation is off the charts. Only subversive elements would argue against your logic
UK needs too deploy their new Navy the dinggy divers 😂😂
How would you build the navy when you keep giving out money to Ukraine? The only way to stand up to China and Russia is to build and take care of your industry.
Is Britain going to start a military competition with Russia and China?
That's not possible, because the competition has already been started *by* Russia and China.
But it is necessary not to duck-out by failing to respond to the threat they pose.
@@stephenmuir5030 Do you really believe China see UK as a threat? The idea is illusional. Can UK send any meaningful force near our boarder? The UK is at best a small regional player. I fail to see why they can see their status. We have over 50% percent of world's ship building capacity and if we covert just a small portion of it we can easily build an entire UK navy every year.
It's a ridiculous idea, isn't it? China is not a threat to the UK. Actually, the UK's romping around the world is the cause of most of the problems. Everyone would be better of if we would just keep ourselves to ourselves. Frankly, we'd do much better to concentrate on our domestic problems - and not just feed our military industrial complex.
This happens every time there's an election - distracting the voting public from our own problem and creating a common enemy. The world is lucky this time that we don't create a war out of nothing.
No. We are a small island and not a world player.
The government has little sway, whatever these delusional street protesters might believe.
We invest in weapons in smaller, 'hi-quality' (cough cough) numbers just to stay relevant and have something to offer and meet commitments to allies.
@@stephenmuir5030 Looking at your remarks today, they are really ridiculous!
Excuse all the words weak up me the king. Of the est and the west king of Russia me. Only me. Bring it. Let it be. I am very busy
Its all missiles now , stop trying
to spend truck loads of taxpayers
money. Or are you commission
led. ? R....
What does China know that you don't then?
UK has 2 ski jump carriers. Garbage.
And no planes....All bluff and candyfloss
with no escorts. ski jumps are a cost and technology compromise