How The 8 Passengers Situation Got Worse By The Day
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- In today's video we will be talking about 8 Passengers, Connexions, Moms Of Truth, Ruby Franke, Jodi Hildebrandt and more
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@@gemini.jewelzme too & I’m just on my phone.
I voted. I cannot remember if you have done any videos on Tim Ballard and OUR, but my oh my there is some juicy stuff there.
If you’re on iPhone you have to press the Aa in the top or bottom of safari and hit show ip address. Apple puts you behind a vpn as a security feature by default.
Also - dang I totally want the TikTok physic!!! lol she’s losing her case hard.
I feel like I hear the same thing all the time, no new news.
Kevin IS NOT AN INNOCENT BYSTANDER. He was there watching and participating in what happened to the kids. When Chase was, for months, forced to sleep on a bean bag his loving father approved. When the doors were removed from his bedroom, Where was daddy? When the kids we’re saying they had no friends because of the show, he was there. When the little girl forgot her lunch, why didn’t daddy dearest take food to her? That wilderness camp was horrifying and Kevin was absolutely part of that nightmare.
He didn’t see his kids for a year and he didn’t fight like hell to change that?!?
Scumbag participant!
Chad
Agreeee
He was trying to press charges on Sheri for robbery look at the body can footage of when he was getting his passports n stuff back
Absolutely! He should also have his parental rights terminated!
@@Maureeeapmsl- it kind of took away from their " i know this situation well" comment 😂
If this story isn’t the most perfect example of poetic justice I don’t know what is. Locked up, no privacy and everything they do is recorded. 😂 Bravo Karma!!
In Purgatory no less ⭕️
So true 😂
*This got very long, so I apologize for that and I'll put a large"🔴🔴"where it pretty much ends before the rant.* *Thanks for reading if you actually read the entire thing since I do believe it's important to demonstrate how common this type of issue is!*
You know what's sad, though? A lot of families raised their kids like this (and still do in very tight nit communities across the states). My husband is a great example of what happens to kids when they grow up in cult-like religions and families, where its not so bad it ends in abuse charges, but damn near bridges that line. His family are Evangelical Pentecostals who all moved from Russia in the 90's (also lived in Idaho until he was 15/16, where I guess religious fanatics breed like bunnies) and listening to him talk about some of the things his family did or brainwashed him into think are horrific. One of his worst memories thats not too bad for comments was standing in the middle of the men's group (all relatives) as a kid and being forced into receiving the holy spirit/the holy tongue so it would end and they would encircle each young boy and chant at them, refusing to let them leave until they found their "tongue" (which was a word or phrase that the holy spirit gives to you in intense prayer...literally just russian jibberish). He was so freaked out as a 10 year old that he cried, but assuming it was the power of the lord causing him to cry, they just kept it going until he "got a word". His parents isolated their kids and he never grew up experiencing friends birthday parties or sleepovers, no friends who weren't relatives or russian pentecostal, no Halloween or any non-religious holidays, and just secluded from the outside world up until he was around 16 or 17 (want to mention that I do not hate his parents or family: his parents thought they were doing right since their brothers and sisters >each of his dads 7 brothers married each of his mothers 7 sisters while her other sister actually married someone else< manipulated them into believing this was what good Christian parents do. However, they did ease up a bit after his aunt, who married a russian man unrelated to his dad that didn't follow this hardcore belief system, kind of woke them up a bit from the manipulation of their family/church and relaxed them enough to let their kids begin exploring the outside world. Love that side of his family to bits). It wasn't until he met me, an America, that he slowly began to come out of his shell. He still had his despicable ingrained beliefs at the time (like saying if his kid was gay, he'd abandon them or that my lesbian sister was evil. He'd even been manipulated into believing that 3rd world countries experience suffering because "they abandoned God, so God abandoned them"), but, I understood the situation, I still loved him, and I knew under all of the craziness was someone who was very patient, kind, honest, loving, and worth standing by and fighting for. After he finally moved away from his family, he started to slowly realize just how fucked his situation growing up was and how manipulative and backwards his family is. His uncles, aunts, and a few cousins in Idaho (who are the f@$king worst of them) actually ended up facing MASSIVE prison sentences for stealing hundreds of thousands in chruch money before attempting to flea to another country and tried to blame the arrest for america being godless and them being targeted like back in russia (which is f@$king ridiculous). Luckily, his parents aren't nearly as nuts as they once were and after his family in idaho was arrested, him, his siblings, and his parents started to abandon such restrictive and harmful practices (they are still very much hardcore Christian pentecostals, but they are much kinder and open than they once were. I still harbor no ill will to his parents or siblings and never have as this was how they were all raised, passing it down from one generation to the next). He really struggled for years and years and suffered with extreme anxiety and depression, especially when we got married as he really struggled with his self-identity, struggled with his families opinion of him and I, and struggled finding his own way that was seperate from the identity his family had spent years forcing on him, but he eventually found his own way in life and is fully atheist (which, despite what his parents believe, I actually didn't influence that decision. I never cared he was Christian). While he still loves his parents and siblings, he's set boundaries and now stands up to his family when they try to manipulate him into feeling bad that he didn't marry a Russian pentecostal woman or doesn't go to church anymore. Now that he no longer believes that stuff, he is adamant about raising our daughter without religion, giving her every single experience he never got to have (this year we took her trick or treating dressed as a cute tiny Miss Frizzle lol), and would love her whether she became Christian, lesbian, straight, Buddhist, or atheist. 🔴🔴🔴 It's really scary just how common this still is and even my own mother attempted to have me sent to catholic school because I wasn't godly enough. It's up to us, as adults and especially as parents, to recognize when we're being manipulated, or when someone is trying to destroy your family, or when someone is trying to hurt your children. It's OK to be Christian. That is not the message of this comment. However, being Christian (or anything) doesn't mean you have to be perfect or project and/or force perfection onto your children. My dad is Christian and even when he preaches to me about God, I understand it's coming from a place of love, not a place of hate or control. I think too many strive to be perfect, Christian or not, and we force this faked perfection that's meant to gain the approval of others around us to such a degree that it affects our children and its just not fair. These are children, not model figurines or dolls that you can flaunt for others approval and attention. This has become especially dangerous as people become more and more obsessed about the approval of strangers online or as a way to seem better than our friends and family that we stalk online to see how we can outdo them or gain more attention or acceptance than them. People have to remember than no one is living a perfect life, no atheist, no Christian, no Buddhist, no Islamic, no one. We have to remember that we can't become consumed with whatever we're doing to a degree that it affects those we love or even those we've never met before. Ruby frank and Jody are going to be thinking a very long, long time about everything they've done in those secluded, quiet cells and eventually, maybe not today, maybe not in 5 years, but eventually realize just how many people they have hurt and caused to suffer and when that day comes, the loneliness and guilt will eat them alive until there's nothing left except an empty shell of a human being that will rot as they go day after day after day trapped in a loop until they die alone while those they hurt are finally allowed to move on with their lives with more freedom and happiness than ever before (and ruby's husband should be in this same situation and him suing his daughter for gathering materials from the house >that he hasn't been in for 13 months< that she needed for the kids is extremely revealing about his true character and I can only hope and pray that those children are never placed with that man again and stay with their sister who clearly loves them and I hope he ends up rotting away in prison too).
And every penny they “earn” in jail will be taken by the state for restitution & child support, so earning money they’ll never see. Chefs kiss!
yasssss!💪💪💪life is beautiful ☺️
Imo Kevin tried to get Sharri charged with burglary to either discredit her as a witness in her mother's case or to prevent her from interfering in him getting custody of the other children. He's a shady mofo and I wouldn't trust him to have the children's best interest at heart.
What gets me every time I hear the 911 call, I'm positive that poor man meant to say this boy has obviously been tortured. But he couldn't say that because the kid is right there and that's a scary thing for an adult to hear, let alone a child. I think he did a wonderful job being calm but making sure the dispatcher knew this needed immediate attention.
Oh yes. That’s what he was wanting to say. Really makes you angry.
I’m a 911 dispatcher and my heart always hurts for people that make these kinds of calls. Something about having to put words to the awful thing in front of you makes your brain have to fully acknowledge what you’re seeing and it’s so awful.
Hope that neighbor realizes how important he was in this and I hope he’s getting the help he needs!
@@emilyrheaYou're absolutely right! Child abuse, so prevalent, is so hard to wrap your head around! 😭
I get the impression that he was going to say "abused," but either way, it's obvious that he stopped himself from using a potentially traumatizing word in front of the boy.
It’s so hard to listen to that call. You can hear he is hesitating to pick the right words. Anyone who works around kids can hear that. He definitely was trying not to upset the little guy.
hearing shari say she was manipulated into thinking she didn’t have empathy is so sad, because i remember she was the only one to ever stand up for and parent poor Eve. always felt like ruby had resentment towards her and shari always seemed to have to guide her to cut the baby some slack 🥺
If you do some digging, it's been said that Ruby didn't want more kids, but she couldn't exactly deny her husband. They are Mormon after all...
So it's not surprising that she wanted him out and was especially nasty to the youngest ones.
@@GunmetalRaven it’s what happens when you deny birth control, now the kids she didn’t want gotta deal with the trauma. i feel awful for them and i hope their mental scars heal soon :/
@@pansy5921 It's deeper than that. It's the systemic lack of autonomy women are given.
I really hope those kids are put with a less dogmatic family.
Shari is the light in the darkness of this family to me. I’m so happy Ruby didn’t break her spirit and she’s fighting for her siblings
@@Jenninka That's the thing about actual truth and not the crap Jodi was forcing. Truth always holds up.
I'm so proud of Shari for breaking away from the harmful teachings she grew up with. It's so sad how she was manipulated by adults for so long, and she could have followed in her mom's footsteps. Instead, she was able to think for herself, choose kindness, and advocate for her siblings.
I hope Ruby and Jodi stay locked up for a long, long time
Weird ass Christians are all the same. I was raised a Jehovah’s Witness and it
ripped families apart. Awful. I’m proud of Shari, too. I’m proud of myself, my husband and my friends from teenage years all BREAKING AWAY from this and thinking (critically!) for themselves. It’s a beautiful thing..
@@nonprofitgirl I'm proud of you too!
I'm so proud as someone who left a fundamental baptist cult at 17. I see so many (scary) similarities. I hope these kids can start healing.
@@nonprofitgirlyay, proud of you too as someone who had to leave a similar situation. I'm proud of anyone who sees "the light" and is strong enough to turn against everything they've been taught.
My fore bearers were Pentecost! I got away from it by moving out at age 17 and I'm happy. You can't allow anyone else to define who you are!
Honestly if that boy didn’t escape, to what end would this have come to? Jody sounds like a cult leader who was one step away from making everyone drink the kool-aid ☠️
A neighbor literally said they expected the next time theyd see the kids, theyd be in bidy bad, or something like that. Its so scary
What it would have come to is two dead children who were literally tortured to death. I'm sorry for the grim visual, but that really is where this was heading.
Both of them were starved and dehydrated to dangerous levels (though I suspect for a number of reasons that the boy was the more physically damaged of the two). They were beyond the point where merely stopping their torment and nursing them back to health at home was an option. They needed actual medical attention and I highly doubt these monsters were going to provide it.
And they had no intention of stopping anyway. Jodi's combination of sadism and genuine delusions that she has some direct link to God and mandate to torture the sin out of others would never allow it. Her insanity would invent an endless supply of "sins" to punish.
And Ruby...she hated those two and breaking them mentally and physically seemed to be the limit of her interests when it came to parenting them. She wasn't going to stop Jodi from doing anything and I do wonder if it was the opposite (her pushing to prolong/intensify things while Jodi may have wanted a more "measured" approach).
I don't think their goal was to kill them....but it would have happened and their intentions would mean nothing. Two innocent kids would have died a drawn out, tormented death and they would be responsible.
Anyway, glad it didn't happen like that.
@@brandonwilliams4050 I completely agree. I find it crazy that this other woman, Pam? The president of their cult, isn’t in jail too. They all seem so comfortable torturing children to death, it makes you wonder how far they may have already taken it with other children, we just don’t know yet.
We said exactly the same. With their extreme views, it wouldn't be out of place to see these running a cult camp.
He had deep circles under his tiny eyes very young! Those kids were freakin skinny!!! Ruby constantly bragged that she doesn't cook! B*"-h, you have six hungry kids!!! WTF?!?
When Pam says very simply, oh yeah they are here to do some cleaning. I would never ever have a friends teens over to clean my house. She seems to think this is rather normal. She's apart of this evil.
You mean "a part". "Apart" (one word) means separated from, the exact opposite of what you mean. It's bizarre how suddenly half the population is making this basic mistake.
@@krazyk8592🥱seriously bro, find something better to do.
@@Alicia-cp4yw It's an important distinction. Learn from constructive criticism, please.
She doesn't want her kid's around other children because they will learn that the way they've been living was, abnormal.. Still controlling the children, from behind bar's.. 🤨
I honestly fear for the women in jail with her because I wouldn’t put it passed Jodi & Rubi to still be trying to brainwash anyone w/in earshot of them about Connexions and “living in truth” , creating another cult following of vulnerable and highly suggestible women in prison. I do not think Jodi will ever change and if she ever gets out, will always try and brainwash everyone in her path. That demon runs deep and loyal in that woman.
"past", not "passed".
many people in prison are parents. i'm sure they'll hear of what ruby and jodi had done and want absolutely nothing to do with them.
Hopefully Social Services won't fail these kids again by returning custody of them to the parents EVER. It's happened so often only to end in tragedy....
Sherri cheered Ruby's arrest stating the abuse "had gone on for years!". Sooo, dad had to have been aware of the abuse! I'm not the only one who noticed how quickly Dad lawyered up!! Dad's complicit! 😡😡😡
If Social Services doesn’t stand and defend these children,they should be FIRED!!! They are suppose to “ PROTECT THE YOUNG THAT CANT PROTECT THEMSELVES ❤❤❤
parents are suppose to protect their kids. the government is for extreme cases, like this - right?
A judge takes the social services recamendation( UK anyway) the judge has final say. Social can fight there haredest though
They'll be going back to Kevin I'm sorry but that's the way it is unless they can prove he had involvement in the severe abuse of Eve and Russell. Ruby will be convicted. She'll do her usually and claim she is innocent and get at least 5 years. She may also be barred from seeing the children they are 18.
Kevin has money, a good lawyer and I don't see any other family member going against Kevin for custody. The state might go against him. But they will lose.
He has not broken the law by not having contact with his kids for a year. Who ever said that is ignorant. He left them with their mother.
Unless he knew she was abusing them in a criminal way then he is not going to be charged.
The making Chad sleep on beanbag chair is not seen as abuse under the law. Nor is making them miss a meal. Nor is spanking or even videoing your children for cash. Untill it is then there is no case against Kevin.
He probably has the children now. If not he will soon.
I don't think he's an ideal dad. But he's certainly not the worst.
If there was anyone better I'd say take them. But state care is not better than Kevin. But they definitely should keep tabs on him.
When Jodi had a temper tantrum asking for 5 stars, she should have lost her licence. Clients have freedom for rating therapist.
It’s crazy cause if there was no legal reason for Kevin to not be there, he has illegally abandoned them in the state of Utah.
If he really wasn’t around for a year or however long then he technically has no rights to those children anymore after six months of no contact.
Which is a felony. I’m really mad he is walking free
Same
But...Kevin stated he wants nothing more than to reunite the family! What a joke! Neither parent should EVER be allowed to have kids under their "care?" ever again!!! 😡
Which speaks to Jodi too. She would know that, and he just played right into it with his decisions to abandon them.
@@justkiddin84it's not a felony. You are telling me that if a father or mother leaves their kids in the custody of their other parent and doesn't have contact it's a felony. You must be taking the piss. Or completely deranged. Because it isn't. In the state of Utah or anywhere else.
If you abandon them on a street corner then that is a felony in some places
Saying I can't look after my kids and leaving them with their mother or father or other legal guardian or with the state is not a felony. Nor should it be.
Abandonment is a civil law so that if a dad walks out the mother can claim Abandonment. Or the state can claim Abandonment if the parents don't try to get their kids back.
Kevin claims he was coerced into leaving so that will be taken into consideration.
The fact that there's still evidence of 8 Passengers and Connexions on Facebook and instagram gives the court more proof of their ugly behavior.
facebook/meta voluntarily cooperates with law enforcement and it's usually for the worse. Thankfully, this is a huge exception to that rule. I think we could possibly see another comprehensive case with different charges involving Pam in the next few years, maybe Jodi as well. I don't understand why the church hasn't been held accountable at all. Just the individuals involved with keeping Jodi and supplying her a steady stream of victims, that should be something prosecutors should look into, after the immediate charges.
Thats hilarious, you realize this is Utah right and you think the Mormon church w be charged? Not in this lifetime unfortunately and they’ll act concerned and deny culpability its going to make you sick just warning you the church protects abusers not victims time and again especially when it’s financially lucrative because they’re business partners w said abusers. This isnt new …..;(
Springville police need to be held accountable it’s sad it took a child climbing out of a window with duct tape on his extremities
It's so tragic when children have to take things into their own hands because adults have failed them
The mormon church in that city needs to be investigated by the American federal government.
If this were the UK or Canada, racketeering investigators would be popping off. There is 100% financial crimes here, on a systemic level.
It makes me sick and angry for these thousands and thousands of Mormon children failed by the state government.
Yes!! If he hadn’t escaped, we would just be speculating on where they buried the bodies of those two kids.
I genuinely believe that this situation is exactly like the Vallow-Daybell case, just caught early enough. I’m so sorry for those children, but thankful they got out alive.
They even have the same vibes
They were I literally in the same circles, around Julie Rowe (for a laugh, look up her doing a scarf dance at a workshop), Thom Harrison (who is the lead character from Vision’s of Glory-a book which tells how he was given visions of the end days from God (of course, he is the hero). Oh and the lovely Tim Ballard. There are videos of them all together at the same church functions and programs.
@@justkiddin84OMG! You're right! Ugh!!🤢🤮😱
I hope both Shari and Russell realize how heroic they are.
I think you’re right
Im 100% sure she was one of those parents who had kids only because its what was expected of her and grew to resent them.
I bet she was leaping with joy when she got an excuse to take out her resentment and anger out on them without any guilt about abusing literal children
Kevin should be in jail right along side his monster of a wife. In my opinion, he is just as guilty of child neglect as anyone being that he hadn't even SEEN his children in over a year! If that's not considered being a neglectful parent, I don't know what is! So him using that as his excuse as to why he's not responsible, to me, shows just how delusional he is. I can only hope and pray that he doesn't end up with custody, ever.
I wish I could double like this comment. From day one I've been saying there should be no sympathy toward Kevin. For one, he was more than fine not knowing what's going on with his kids for a year. Calls the police on his own daughter, doesn't even try to reach other to her when he left Ruby, like he could have cared less about his eldest daughter. He was also there when they did other things to the kids, denied them lunch, etc. He's just as guilty as Ruby. And CPS clearly don't trust him either because they didn't readily give him the kids which tells me everything
Just his attempt at getting Shari arrested for breaking and entering when she's taking care of HIS children shows what a POS he is and that it's always going to be about him
Didn’t she and the son show up w Kevin arm n arm w him at one of the recent court dates after this police incident? Pretty sure and i was disappointed because I think he’s guilty too and I’m afraid he’s manipulated his children again.n
Kevin likely already has custody or will have soon. Likely under conditions such as the children go to therapy and he has CPS checks.
He isn't going to jail. He's not guilty of a crime. If he knew they were being tied up and starved then yeh he is guilty . But he didn't. Imo.
He is guilty of being a shitty, idiotic foolish man. Which isn't a crime.
Also his abandonment wasn't because he wanted it. He was coerced into it. Which will be in his favour in court.
It's terrible what has happened to the children. And I blame Kevin too. But I don't believe he is an evil man.
I don't believe he would have stood for what Ruby and Jodi were doing and that's why he was told to leave. He certainly should have stood up and said no.
What I find disappointing is people wanting to see Kevin go to prison.
For what. He's not guilty. No Jury would find him guilty. It's all very well to sling mud at him on youtube but would you really sentence him to prison.
We are all mad at him.
Honestly, I hate when siblings are parentified, but I honestly hope that Shari gets custody of her younger siblings because I feel like she probably has the best intentions to help those kids and she has been trying to help them for years.
I don't think a 20 year old is financially or emotionally capable of caring for that many children.
It’s a shame that she would have to be put in that situation at all but it unfortunately seems to be the lesser of many evils.
the saddest thing is that the kids will never be able to escape everybody knowing about it. As a child abuse victim myself, i cannot imagine everybody knowing about it and me never escaping it. That is just more shit on tom of shit the kids went through.
My mother was like this. She discovered a cult religion. Not only did she believe their lies but realized she could use this for her own narcissistic means. Things that happen like with Ruby Franke happen way more then people think. When you think of cult religion you hardly see any actual happy childhoods.
If a child who has been severely abused came to my home for help, I think I would probably need counselling because it would be so sad and scary just to be witness to that. I have no idea how they were able to get away with it for so long.
I saw the feed-back of Kevin Franke's students. It was just a list of negative reviews, especially how he spoke to the students and throw books at them. He subsequently lost his job. He's just as bad as his wife and should never have custody of the 4 minor children. Sharri and Ruby's sisters did everything possible to get help for the other children but Ruby had banned contact with them.
I can't believe more wasn't done. I'm seriously surprised none of the parents filed civil suits against him and against the school. It's aggravated assault on its face. The power imbalances make it so much worse. I wonder what the statute of limitations are..
The sisters are just as bad and exploit their children
@@kittygoesWOOFstudents did report him for his bad teacher practices. Utah CPS needs to be investigated tho not doing it sooner, you tube needs to be investigating as well for it for not taking videos now. Schools kids went to before they pulled them out also needs to be investigation along with every church she attended. This would also apply to university. Same applies to Kevin but unlikely rugby that’s child neglect not child abuse. I do believe he’s to blame as well.
Wow...I had not heard that..but not surprised!
Saying that though there’s problems in the wider family. The only part of Ruby’s behaviour that any of them have issues with is the later Connexipns stuff. They are fine with what she was like before that. For example one of her sisters proudly does “blanket training” and there’s so many examples of how their whole family have this weird backwards mindset. They are still extreme Mormons and still think that all those things we’ve had issues with for years are fine.
To be fair to Kevin's lawyer, it's kind of his job to spin the story positively for Kevin. We don't have like what he's doing, but he is doing his job as lawyer.
This needs to keep being stated. I'm not sure how it is elsewhere, but in the United States, lawyers must provide what is called "zealous defense" for their clients. If they don't, it's a violation of ethics and they can potentially be disbarred
He was also bound by the agreement that all the adults made in which stated they can't publicly speak about the children and the custody of them.
Defending your client even if you believe they're guilty is your ethical obligation as a lawyer. It's not your place or your job to decide the outcome.
Dishonesty and deceptive practices are a different matter, obviously.
Kevin doesn't seem to understand that. Trying to have his daughter changed for "breaking and entering plus robbery" when she when into the family home with police and cps and Kevin hadn't lived there for over a year. Meanwhile his lawyer is desperately trying to talk over Kevin about his "fatherly love and protection". 🤦
@@jaqsre you will be disbarred more than likely.
I will never be able to hear that 911 call without tearing up. He sounds like a typical older guy and to hear HIM tearing up at the state Russell was heartbreaking. I sincerely hope Ruby's horrendous lies are exposed and Russell is able to live with his siblings again. She is a vile vile thing, I don't even want to call her a human being
I honestly got the vibe that he was ex-military or something
Ruby Franke, Jodi Hildebrandt, Kouri Richins, Lori Vallow…. WTF are they putting in the water in Utah?
It's the "mormon cult water" it's all the rage there.
@@NornIron4U I had Mormon neighbors once, goddamn were they annoying trying to convert me and shit, more annoying than Christian neighbors tbh.
Your list is incomplete, and partly incorrect. Kouri’s husband was Mormon, and she went to church sometimes for the look, but never joined. There have been a number of ‘counselors’ from the LDS recommended list who have been arrested for various types of sexual abuse. Then there’s Tim Ballard, and the whole crew that goes with him. And the recent case of the kidnap of Blaze Thibideau. And there will be more, no doubt, due to these ‘doomsday’ groups and books like ‘Visions of Glory.’
Thanks.@@justkiddin84 👍🏻 I figured there were more. Those were just the ones that I could name off the top of my head.
I don't know but I want to stay as far as possible from it
I can only imagine Jodi walking around jail trying to get people to live in "truth"
Or manipulate them.
That officer may have been lying to catch Pam off guard. If he intended that tactic, that's a pretty clever trick.
the clip that always gets to me is of ruby explaining how chores aren't a good punishment bc they "weren't visceral enough" to ber kids anymore. like a child mad that her toys weren't fun anymore.
Around 26:00+ that little girl (Eve maybe) wandering around the neighborhood with weeks of no parental supervision. Do you know how easy it would have been for a predator to clock that she was alone and snatch her up...???? This woman is just pure evil. And lock up Kevin too. The idea this man isn't a HUGE part of this and just some innocent bystander is ABSURD.
Pam was totally using the kids as free labor.
The fact that bishops recommended Jodi scares the shit out of me. Bishops are some of the most trusted and important figures in the Mormon church.
She reminds me of the dad, that only got five years, for abusing his son, by making him live in a box. He also had his wife brainwashed into doing the abuse with him. These monsters look smug, while doing the worst things to kids, and when they’re out with only a slap on the wrist, they’ll go back to doing it again.
Omg what case is that? I want to look it up. It's so baffling to me. If you remember anything to search for specifically, please lmk
@@kittygoesWOOFLook up the Tim Ferriter abuse case or "Boy in a Box" as the media called it although I despise that title.
Yeah that sentence is BS
All in the name of God/religion.
That poor kid. I caught bits of the trial and it broke my heart
On Chad’s bedroom situation: Ruby definitely knew Jody at that point. She had been Chad’s therapist for at LEAST a few years by that point, and I’m honestly of the belief that Jody “inspired” the ”punishment”. Jody is also the mental health professional that Kevin mentions when they defended their parenting “style” and said, “trust me, we are constantly consulting mental health professionals and have for years.” (i think that was after a “scandal” that had to do with Ruby’s neglect or abuse towards Eve).
You can see in old 8 passengers content that Chad (bc Jody was his therapist and WAS his uncles therapist- Beau left a negative review of her though) and the family constantly threw around the connexions buzzwords: distortion, living in truth, using truth as a noun, etc.
Kevin really didn't seem that fussed about having his things back. At all. Pretty sure he just learned his daughter had them in her possession and thought he could get her in trouble over it.
Anyone who agrees with Jodie and ruby should be ashamed of themselves. Jail looks good on both of them. Disgusting
I've seen it said that Jodi was Chad's therapist around the time he was packed off to wilderness camp/sleeping on the floor. Idk if that is true, but Shari said she was 15 when her parents got involved with Connexions, Chad is 2 years younger than her, which means they had been around since he was 13. So Jodi was absolutely on the scene then...if not the one responsible for him being sent away in the first place, losing "bed/bedroom privileges", and then having his bathroom door removed etc.
As for Kevin trying to get Shari arrested,mitchell is also worth noting that at the time she had custody of her 2 sisters (the teenagers); I would assume she still does. In fact, the reason she had been allowed in the house was to collect her siblings' belongings. So, it is entirely possible that his trying to get her arrested was a tactic to try and get custody away from her. Possibly even trying to punish her for speaking out against her parents by ruining not just her chances of taking care of her sisters but also putting her college place in jeopardy (hmm just like Jodi did to Adam), since thebhonor code office could easily get her sanctioned or thrown out for being arrested. Though tbf her getting out of BYU could only be good for her, because I worry that she is still pretty deep in the mormon cult mindset...just not as deep as the Connexions bs. I do feel bad for her, because while she was getting all that shit from Jodi & Connexions, online she was constantly being shit in for being like her mother.
Videos have been surfacing from years ago, that it seems some concerned people managed to save before the channel was nuked (or perhaps they have found them other ways, idk) of all these different things she did to the kids, even while they were still at the height of vlogging. Like, how one christmas she admitted they don't usually give their kids gifts but that one year felt called to...she gave them all knives of various kinds & sizes...even the littlest 2! What interests me about that is if they didn't normally give the kids gifts, that means the year they held back R & E's Christmas gifts was even more cruel & manipulating because they bought the other kids gifts when they don't usually. There are vids of the kids where they look so pale and malnourished even then, especially E, who Ruby has always treated horribly.
And what pisses me off is her sisters are acting like they are saints in all this,nwhen they employ some of the same tactics (like using food as punishment).
I hope the dismissal of the traffic offence against Ruby is a good indication that they think she is gonna be locked up for a long time. Both of them deserve the maximum sentence for what they did to those kids, that a grown man would be moved to tears while trying to explain to the police on the phone... that says so much about what R's condition must have been. I just hope those children are in good foster placements where they are getting the care and love they need & deserve, and that they are all getting non-faith based therapy. kevin should be locked up too, if the only thing they can get him on is abandonment of his kids, then so be it, but there is no way he should walk scott free.
I've heard so many conflicting things about the safe/safe room, some indicate that I did exist & that was where Eve was locked up, but then others say it was miss stated. Either way, I agree that Pam didn't seem to care or be surprised until the cop mentioned that...but the difference between when she thought it was her daughter that was in trouble, vs when it was cleared up that it was Ruby is also telling.
I'm not giving Jodi any excuses, but she sounds so delulu, I can't help but wonder about some kind of schizophrenic/psychotic hallucinations. Either way, she is evil and her victims all deserve justice.
6:52 this is precisely what i noticed about growing up religious. I found myself harshly judgmental, and adults weren’t examples of what to do or put effort into explaining what they want from you. Instead they’d just bark “be good “ as if we all understand what that means on its face.
It’s taken me 20 years to fix what was messed up by that. I’m very harsh on religion now.
Same here. I’m panthiest now, and even hearing “Christ” and “Father”, my skin *crawls*
I hope Shari can heal her relationship with that faith but it’s so weird to see from the outside looking in as a survivor
You figured it out! Kindness was invented in 1975, which is why back when nearly everyone was religious, no one was kind and good parenting didn’t exist. That’s why in the present when only about 5% of Westerners practice religion, everyone is kind, and abuse never happens. And if it does happen it’s definitely got to be one of those religious people. I wish everyone was aware enough to have made this discovery!
@ReBirthTV....did you reply to the wrong comment? Because nothing you said has anything to do with what they said
Not all religions are like abrahamic ones, specifically xtian ones.
For example I'm a pagan, and most of us 1. found our religions ourselves, we weren't raised into it. 2. are usually solitary and not organised. And, 3. honestly pretty secretive and quiet compared to others.
But, I completely understand why you are the way you describe. It's ridiculous to make children feel evil for not acting the way you want them to, despite not plainly telling them anything. Really they just want kids to obey them without question, so they feel no need to explain why.
Agree 100% Religious people know that they have to tear down some of their members for the others to keep feeling superior. I grew up protestant and going to church was like walking through a minefield. The oldest members of the church would pick people they saw as 'sinful' and be so cruel to them. They would say such hateful things about them and i could only stand there because 'children only speak when spoken too.' Got out of that situation as soon as i could and found faith for myself like i think all people should do. Whatever a person finds their truth in so ling as they acknowledge that all people deserve respect and that religion is not an excuse to harm others- most if all our children.
Pam knew what was going on, she wrote the handbook on this....
May the children found happiness and recover from their trauma.
Your dedication to this topic has been outstanding and your documentation has probably helped bring light to many people about this situation.
The 911 call from the neighbor when the young boy escaped was heartbreaking. These kids deserve full justice.
From someone who had to actively cut off an abusive parent themselves, I'm so proud of Shari. It's such a difficult thing to do and she is handling all incredibly.
And I'm happy to say - for anyone who doesn't have experience with this - it will get better. It's difficult, it's painful and it will get worse before it gets better (once you're in a safe environment, all the trauma you couldn't process before will come flooding back and it sucks), but it does get better and it will get easier. The pain doesn't go away, but it gets lighter to carry.
I'm eight years out now and looking back, I can safely say it was the best decision I've ever made.
A 49 minute Markie video??? Wow I did make Santa's nice list! And here I thought I was permanently on the naughty side 😉
I hope it takes years for it all to get to trial, simply because those 2 peep, beep, beeps will be sat in custody, exactly where they belong. While probably thinking they’re going to get away with it….
They won’t!
With our broken justice system, they'll eventually get bail unfortunately
@@pokeydot1975 You don’t know what you’re talking about, the only reason why Ruby and Jodi aren’t out is because the judge has denied bail, seeing how things are going conviction looks imminent.
They have speedy trial rights. So unless they waive speedy trial, the state has to move. They are on a deadline.
every time I hear an update I pray those children never are forced to live with those adults again
I hope they’re being kept apart in jail.
Oh yeah, good old “I believe the kids” Kevin. Unless it’s the oldest one, to hell with her!
Let’s not forget that 2 kids are in dcf custody, and 2 are in Shari’s care I believe. So Kevin gets Shari charges, he’s banking on getting the kids back. A whole notha twisted fkked up page in this horror story…
We have to pray he is charged eventually. He is guilty of abandoning his children, which is felony neglect in Utah. Hopefully all the evidence will show his part.
Her story reminds me so much of the Duggars. The manipulation of believing that God will punish you because you are doing things God doesn’t think is holy. And the fact that the Duggars were some of the forest family vloggers. Except they were on tv not CZcams. And come years later the parents were exposed for their harsh parenting tactics.
It really is similar. Extremism is dangerous, no matter what group it involves.
And SA
Markie has been a pet owner for a very long time judging by how he doesn't even notice the dog getting up on his shoulder for attention. I do that all the time with my cats.
Wise? Evil Jodi, you don’t know the correct meaning of the word.
All she spouted about people ‘living in truth’ never get ill….but they both had prison hospital visits.
Because they lied about being sick to get away from jail, probably.😂
They kept it vague in all the articles I could find, was it confirmed that was from an illness? Some criminals will target people who abuse or hurt children; predators will oftentimes get attacked in prison.. that was my guess based on the ambiguous articles about their hospitalization but couldn't confirm either way
@@justkiddin84😂 right exactly
Both Ruby and Jodi being severely narcissistic, the Morman Church consistently sending Jodi new paying "clients" fed Jodi's "I'm the shyt." narrative perpetuated these crimes! F*+k religion!! It's bottom line is always money! 🤬😡💩😡🤬💩🤬💩
What truth? Jody's twisted truth!!
The more I hear Jodi Hildebrandt talk, the more she sounds like discount Scientology.
You’ve done a great job covering the Ruby Franke / Jodi Hildebrandt child abuse situation. Btw, more of the Pam Botcher body cam footage was uploaded a few days ago. It’s mostly from the officer who spoke with her husband and the two girls. It’s interesting. Again, no concern for the children, only worried what the neighbors will think about the fact they have a bunch of police at their house. Totally self centered.
i find it interesting how the father had called the cops on his oldest daughter to charge her with robbery and she peacefully returned journals and electronics like laptops. he was definitely hiding a lot of stuff in those documents and now he has free will to destroy them because no one advocates for the victims until it’s too late.
Can Jodis victims file a class action suit against her? and or the Church?
Both Pam and her husband had something to hide. The first question the police officer asked her was "Did someone ask you to pick the kids up?" She did not answer that Ruby asked her. She didn't bring up Ruby until she was in the car. The husband stood in front of A in the door way. When he let A sit down, she closed the door, possible hoping they wouldn't find out about J. No mention of J until Pam happened to bring her up while being questioned in the car. Then they have J come out. A refused to talk to police, but J did.
Also, during the 911 call, R said he was there with 2 of his sisters. One was E, the other was most likely A. A was terrified of police. I think A was in the house with Jodi with R and E and was fully aware of their conditions. View the entire bodycam footage of Pam and her husband and see if you agree.
Pam is clearly the perfect person to be Jodi's best friend. The fact her eyes bulge at safe but not abuse, not malnourished.... Wouldn't you be curious asking how to other children are? I guarantee she is probably sitting there as the police tell her the situation she's thinking 'Ugh these people were totally in distortion and aren't in truth' because they call the acts abuse.
So you think she believes her own made-up crap?
Nor Pam or her husband ever said there must be some kind of mix up or anything. Wouldn't your friends be like no way they got arrested for child abuse?
I feel so bad for the neighbour who called the police after Russell escaped. Every time I hear that clip I tear up. And to think that he is probably going to have to speak in court and relive it, is horrible 😢
I'm so tired of Mormanism's influence (even if it's not the main culprit it certainly did not help) on people. Literally the most awful relative of Christianity.
The hate I got, when commenting against Ruby. 👏👏
And the Kids just looked sad, ALL the time. Eve always had that look on her.... I really hope, that the Kids will be ok.
This story frustrates me. It's so hard to get CPS involved. They really should have been more concerned over the withholding of food and forcing the kids to pay for things or they would destroy them, and taking the beds and bedrooms away. I had two boys just dumped on me years ago, I stopped partying and worked all the time to provide for them, it's not that hard. It was the best thing that ever happened to me, I love those boys. You're a parent, you signed up to provide for your kids, get over it.
Kevin looks like he's in full cult form here. It's surely all Shari's fault because she helped the cops put the leader (Ruby and/or Jodie) in jail. And when you have a cult, be it a family, a church, whatever....the leader is considered the end all, be all of it and how dare you speak to the police and help them detain the leader/s. Shari broke the cult silence (as she should have) and here Kevin (watch his eyes) is freaking tf out because of it. The ladies will get the crash course of "off your high horse" in jail. Kevin's lawyer should get off the TV and get him some cult therapy with a quickness before they figure out he, an adult with free will, just sat there and let all this happen and they drop his butt in a cell too.
Can we sign a petition to have Kevin arrested?
He’s to blame just as much!
Why he’s not in jail?
this story just makes me wonder... how do crazy people make all this time and energy? like enough to have spies give you reports on helpless kids talking, the energy to run around and cover your tracks, the planning of these horrific punishments.. you'd think with that kinda time and energy you would do something decent with it at least
It definitely seems like a fulltime hobby
I’m so glad the children are now out of that toxic environment. Now they have time to heal and see how positive, nice people are. I’m sure it will take time, but each day will be a day they can start to live and have good things in their life, which they so deserve ❤
Even if the kids were evil little shits, HOW THE FUCK DO YOU JUSTIFY MAKING THEM SLEEP IN SNOW, DUCT-TAPING THEM AND WITHHOLDING FOOD FROM THEM, I’m sorry this literally makes me want to cry… this is just absolutely sickening and reminds me in a way of how my mum is , I mean she isn’t as bad but she’s pretty close to it !, I’m sorry this is just so sad and heart breaking, and I very much doubt Ruby is going to get a fair punishment for abusing her children! This makes me want to cry…
Just what the children to be okay. I’m sure the middle 2 were brainwashed by Ruby and maybe they still believe what she taught them. :((((
The "truth is" all psychopaths think anything they want /think is THE TRUTH. Its part of the giant ego that almost completely fills their personalities.
What were the police doing if the neighbors in ivans called them repeatedly to note that young children are left alone in a house for weeks. multiple times. I’m sorry but that is an emergency. The first time it happens. The police ignored it or dismissed it multiple times in multiple counties. No wonder why the neighbors were waiting for the children to be removed in body bags.
It's sadly not illegal in Utah to leave your children alone in the home for any amount of time. There are actually ZERO laws as to the minimum age you can leave a kid home alone as well (this is the case for 36 other states too). The only time it becomes a crime is if the child is harmed through negligence because they are too young to feed themselves. But if the kids can access food and water on their own, no matter their age, it's not a crime in Utah or the majority of American states. The police couldn't do anything because there were no laws being broken in the state. All they could do was a welfare check and if the door wasn't being opened for them, they have zero right to go inside as there was no suspicion of crime.
I'm not the biggest fan of current policing (especially when it comes to them not preventing crime, but reacting to it) but this isn't an issue with police. This is an issue with the state's legislature having it on their books that leaving a child at home alone for weeks doesn't constitute negligence unless something goes wrong.
The older I get the more grateful I am that my parents aren't religious, and didn't raise me or my siblings in any church or anything else. I had a basic religious education at public school, but my parents never told me any god type figure was real, so it was framed more as cultural/historical studies, which I appreciate so much.
The correct way of raising a child.
I mean there's nothing wrong with being religious but it's obviously an big problem when you get toxic with it
I think it’s funny that her sister posted. Once they comment about what happened they will no longer make any other comments, but both of her sisters exploited the crap out of ruby Franke’s situation during the time this was all popping off and was a hot topic. They made multiple videos while sitting on the floor, crying in their brand new million dollar mansion, but funny the statement says once they comment they will not be commenting any further.HHHHMMMMMMM money hungry???
and shame on the Mormon Church for "recruiting" for her and paying her!!
If there was an award for CZcamsrs coverage on a topic, Markie would definitely win for 8 Passengers. 👌🏾
I feel horrible for Jodi's niece. I wonder if she was her first victim or what her own kids indured too.
My hope is that justice is done, and that all the children find safe and full filling lives and receive monetary compensation that will mean places like CZcams put laws in place for minor children and trusts that parents don’t have access too.
Jody hates families & couples,she's jealous & resentful. I think meeting Ruby & Kevin was intentional because of the attention it would bring her because of 8 Pass. The way Ruby was with her children got the attention of Jody & she knew these people could be manipulated & she met her ilk in Ruby. She got rid of the husband so she could manipulate Ruby more freely. Idk what Kevin's issue is, could he really be that naive or was he enjoying his freedom. How can someone not check on their kids for over a year? Jody's husband divorced her & got custody of the kids. Her kids don't want anything to do with her, could be why she's jealous & resentful. During her hearing I could tell she was sh*tting her pants, she knows she has no excuse or reason for what she has done. I heard she ended up in hospital a couple times since her arrest, is she going for the sympathy card? I can't wait to see what Karma has in store for these people.
If you make an iiluninaughtii / Blair video next, just this week it was exposed that she filed a lawsuit against the person that gave The Click insider information.
she filed lawsuits against at least 20 people so far. as far as I know, a lot have been dismissed. Besides, legal fees can be crowdfunded if necessary. Other small creators have made recent videos and exposed a lot more. court cases can take years if everything goes well. NDAs are nullified once illegal actions come into play.
@@kittygoesWOOF I know about Oz, Wonder and now Aron (aka Felix). Who are the others? What creator(s) have the tea? Enquiring minds want to know.
Jodi literally quoted Colleen Ballinger and said “haters back off”
I feel both sorry and triggered because I relate. I went through very similar things, especially not being able to talk to anyone with it somehow getting back to my parent. No matter who I told, it would always get back to them and I would be yelled at and threatened. The first time I was able to stand up to my parent after they attempted to attack me was the scariest situation of my life. Luckily I had one family member that helped me. Seeing these kids finally get some justice (albeit late) makes me insanely happy. I hope they are able to heal from it after freedom.
The father needs to be held accountable for his actions too. He was there when she was hurting those kids and he never tried to stop anything. He needs to be investigated just as much as those two. He did nothing to help his kids and let the abuse continue in front of him. He's just as guilty as they are.
I have no doubt Jodi still thinks she’s in the right.
It's more than likely the social media pages are being kept up by order of law enforcement or the prosecution in order to gather evidence for the case. I'd be more worried if they were removed like the channel.
It’s like a bad book that just keeps getting worse
Great video. I love the timeline and they way you explain how each person is connected to Jodi.
This is 100% why homeschooling needs very strict rules and supervision from random checks. Here in Texas you see a lot of abusive families take their kids out of school and claim they are educating their kids but really just keep them ignorant to make it impossible for their kids to leave them. I have personally met people who couldnt read or do basic math because they were home schooled. This is a serious danger for the children of our country. And what are these kids going to do when they grow up? No skills but housekeeping, no knowledge of daily essentials like budgeting or arranging bills, nothing.
I just watched the body cam footage from Pam's house in its entirety & was dumbfounded. The nonchalant way Pam talks about having these kids clean for her, even joking about making them scrub her floor pissed me off! In my opinion, Pam & Kevin Franke should both be in jail for being complicit in the abuse of those kids!
The only person I trusted to give respectful updates on the situation was Markie- so thank you for the recap
She really hurt Adam 😢 I’m glad to see him standing up for himself .
Thank you Markie for this 49min gift ❤
The Franke parents are warped and despicable….
Jody’s behaviour escalated partly because her audience upheld and even encouraged her
Funny listening to her talking about " truth" at the beginning of the vid and completely describes ppl like herself and Jody 😂😂. I died laughing. She's so arrogant that she literally thinks WE are all falling for that crap,lol. She just needs to put a diaper on her head bc that's where all the shit is coming from...
I know we probably won't ever know, but I'm so curious what's on the electronics that made him so paranoid about his daughter having it. I'm willing to bet something incriminating is on it
I can't be the only one whose hyped seeing so loooong video 😊
Your dog is a bit of light hearted feeling on a tough subject. It’s adorable!
That 911 call from the neighbor…the emotion is palpable. Abuse sticks with you.
I can guarantee that you are right that she is sitting there thinking everything she did and thought was correct. Hearing her relatives describe her, she is exactly like my mother. My mother would rather cut off her own legs than utter the words “I was wrong”.
We really need to more properly fund and support Social Services. There are so many stories of absolutely ignoring multiple family members and friends reporting NOT to let people keep access to children in their home. It even happened in my family, and the kid is STILL with the person I told them was so manipulative I would RATHER they end up in foster care than with this family member. It's been YEARS. And I heard so many people's similar stories when I tried to get help in the situation. I know CPS intends well, but they do a lot of harm and leave the people who care with zero way forward to protect children.