10 Times Judges Set The MMA World On Fire
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I get physically upset every time I hear Bruce Buffer say, “Your judges at ring side are; X, Y, and Sal D’Amato.”
That's the best part of the judges being there Bruce calling there name after that it's all disappointing
Or Chris Lee
Hes better than he used to be (not a very high bar to jump). Also i remember a single time watching a fight night fight, it goes to decision and the pretty clear winner is robbed via split decision. Belive it or not the sole judge that gave the fight to the correct fighter was actually Sal D'amato. The purest irony ive ever seen
@@ccainum5971 haha. That’s crazy. Even a broken clock is right twice a day I suppose. Lol
I cringe anytime I hear his name
A "bad night" by a judge can change a fighter's life forever, it's unbearable to see the same judges make several mistakes over the years and keep their jobs.
That's just it, "a bad night" insinuates a single mess up, but time and time again the same judges make the same bad calls and are rarely (if ever) held accountable. Adelaide Bird is always my go to, she's clearly got backroom-mobster type connections with the crooked Boxing AND Mma cards she's routinely turned in.
Honestly I find it hard to agree with that. If Dana saw the fight as you winning there's a good chance you're still getting a good fight after. When refs have a bad night, however...
@@loganmyall660 Okay but if a judge screws them on a decision its half their money out the window
Enter Ian McCall poor guy probably would’ve beaten the goat DJ but the judges screwed him
Perfect example is Reyes vs Jones, Reyes should be a former champion and having the legacy as the man that dethroned Jon Jones, and because of a shitty decision he’s just a contender in a 3 fight losing streak
There’s always that random 49-46 for every single fight now
Just like Shevchenko's previous fight. That one came out of nowhere and was roundly criticized in the community.
@@madgavin7568 yea the shevchenko 4-1 is horrible. I think Valentina won to but only 3 rounds. But like Francis and gane that one random 49-46 for Francis💀 Colby vs Usman 2 Whittaker and izzy
*Sal D'Amato starts sweating*
Worst judge in history
Lol
I get physically upset every time I hear Bruce Buffer say, “Your judges at ring side are; X, Y, and Sal D’Amato.”
Gotta give respect for Cleary coming out with an honest and introspective apology
Yeah, definitely.
Stood his ground and offered his honest viewpoint not just turning it into a pissing contest to prove his point
Makes sense that he would be the judge to communicate honestly and humbly when making a bad decision on the cards, because he is actually one of the consistently better judges out there.
I’m a licensed mma judge in the state of Missouri. The judging is as bad as fans yhink on one hand and on the other, it’s not as bad as they think. I’ve met some great judges and I’ve met some judges that literally didn’t know what a triangle choke was. A lot of old boxing judges were thrown into mma judging without knowing anything about grappling.
7:26 that shot of Keith Peterson for the Cruz commentary 😂😂
Damn near anytime there is a questionable decision or weird split...somehow Sal D'amato or Chris Lee is involved. Sometimes both.
I wouldn't want Chris Lee judging me either, that guy probably has more "oofs" than anyone
Sal D’Amato
No fighter should be able to choose what judges they want for their fight thats blatantly unfair. Izzy himself has been given rounds that he clearly lost so he was a bitch for that
@@razor1957 he's got some doozies too for sure
idk man, just about everytime i hear Sal D'Mato is one of the card judges I cringe before the event even starts lol
I've had to spend a year scorekeeping shadowing judges before I've even been allowed to apply for my judge exam (next month let's go!)
It helps having a boxing, muay thai, wrestling, and mma background as well as working several hours with active fighters.
Best of luck
Sweet
Nice, good luck. 👍🏼
Clearly Adelaide Bird was never required the same thing EDIT- And congrats! Hope you can help turn the misjudging around in the years to come 🍻
Always remember, you don’t always have to be right but you have to be fair. Hope you kill it my dude!
I think the biggest problem is
Nobody knows what to ACTUALLY look for when scoring fights
We do, we just don't care what the rules say, it's obvious who is winning 95% of the time
Least of all Joe Rogan
err, the rules are open for everyone, i know what to look for, i can expect a judge to know that aswell.
@@misocriallo4379 what? I guess you just say stuff like that to appear like you know your stuff. I'm not a fan of joe but he is extremely knowledged in mma. I haven't seen him give wrong score cards. You really just say stuff like that for no reason so he we all know it's not like he doesn't know what he's talking ABOUT
@@pcprinciple3774 Problem being the 10 point must system can make that deceptive, especially when it comes to grappling. Based on the way fights are scored currently, a basically even round with a knockdown for fighter A in the last 30 second, probably means a 10-8 for fighter A. But if in round 2, fighter B scores a takedown at the beginning of the round, keeps working and let's say alternates between side control and full mount for the next 4:30 of the round, most judges score that 10-9.
Worth mentioning this too: Chris Tellez, the other judge who scored the fight for Diego, also hasn’t judged a fight in a major promotion since. Dana basically blacklisted them. He’d done it with officials before (Mazagatti, Winslow and later Yamasaki), but this was new ground for Dana
Lies again? Different categories for titles like Judgement Day
Paddy vs Gordon just took the #1 spot lol
To this day Bisping getting the nod over Matt Hamill is still the gold standard in bad judging.
Almost impossible to win a decision in England against an Englishman. The judging over there is horrendously home-biased
@@Cuseball121 spot on! i had hendo winning in manchester and silva in london but you cant win vs the count on his turf.
Ross Pearson v Diego Sanchez is the all time worst decision I've ever seen
🇬🇧
@@Cuseball121 The ironic thing was the sole British judge actually gave the fight to Hamill, while the two American judges gave it to Bisping. Crowd pressure definitely played a part in the judges decision, but at least the British judge remained professional.
I'll never forget Ross Pearson Vs Diego Sanchez. That was the first time I was ever truly baffled by a judges decision in this sport and still to this day I haven't seen a decision that egregious.
I was there Live... lol in Albuquerque Diego's hometown
Actually it was in Rio Rancho... a small town right next to Albuquerque
i remember watching that fight between ed herman vs alan belcher and short fuse lost i was pissed that he loss that fight back in the day he won the 3rd round
bisping vs hamill comes to mind
@@Ty-oe4dr yep. That's a complete WTF?! decision.
Only thing to do is ALWAYS GO FOR THE FINISH, these judges are beyond incompetent.
The trouble is often times thats just not possible. The opponent you're trying to finish can either be too tough and/or too skilled for that to happen. Imagine trying to finish a prime GSP or Jones, good luck with that.
Keep doing what you do
Time is a flat circle! True Detective reference, well played!
Awesome video!! Honestly we need another one! We need to keep burying the judges too!!! Only ex-fighters should be judges 🤘🏻
4:28 is the reason why I’ve never believed ex fighters should judge fights at all. Conflict of interest, simply put.
Very entertaining stuff!
Tommy videos all day
There was also a moment where Dana White removed a judge at UFC Fight Night: Bisping vs Le following the first two fights on the card after questionable split decisions.
Didn't dana once also remove the wrong judge and said after that that he won't do it again.
MMA on point is literally the GOAT 🐐 of mma
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10 Judges where the MMA is ON POINT
1M letttsssss goooooo!!!
How did Cecil Peoples saying that “leg kicks don’t finish fights” not make it into this video after he robbed Shogun Rua at UFC 104?? Still the craziest thing I’ve heard in MMA
Think he was a kickboxing coach too 😂
This is the greatest thumbnail in history
When Tommy Narrating you know it’s a good video
I've made a killing betting on fights going to a split/majority decision when it's announced that Sal D'amato is gonna judge a fight
This channel is more addictive than the Jorge Masvidal flying knee knockout
The knockout isn’t that addictive it was good but it’s the only fame Jorge got anyways
It’s about as addicting as my relapse in meth addiction this week
Give Tommy more videos please 🙏
Figured Tommy would be narrating this one.
Shout out to the good old MMA forums out there from back in the day.
Holy shit, I took kickboxing and jiu-jitsu classes in college and Jeff Mullen was the instructor. He was nice and cool, didn't know he scored one of the worst decisions in ufc history
People are human, I’m just glad I’m not making my biggest mistakes in front of millions of angry people lol
See some Texas judges on here 👀....
Not surprised...
Just 10??? lol
Suggestion: latest stoppages in championship bouts
3:30 the face you make when you open the fridge and see that someone ate the last slice of your birthday cake...
How did the judges from GSP v Hendricks escape this
Popped for the mention of Fuck-It Friday, genuinely watch it every week to see what crazy shit Dana makes that week lol
We now have a new #1
This is great - can we get a follow-up of when commentators have misrepresented the scoring criteria?
Unfortunately this happens more then needed but i guess if your live calling out a fight and you accidently say something you cant edit it out.
Toe Hold !
Ya, but do You guys have your new office and channel yet? I can’t tell
**Sal D'Amato has entered chat*
I only watch when it’s Mr tommy toehold
*”10 Times the MMA Community Bashed on Mario Yamasaki”*
*fixed it for you*
7:29
This clip had no right being this hilarious🤣
wtf is he even wearing😂
Its a camera for the PFL
Silly Sal!
How statistically significant are controversial/bad decisions? I get that given what's on the line "one is too many", but it would be useful to see if things are getting better or worse over time or if there any particular patterns or trends (be it individual judges, certain commissions...etc). I feel like allot of the mma media (with some notable exceptions) can't see past whatever the most recent robbery was, which may be hindering actually addressing the issue.
Sal and Chris Lee are the most commonly brought up names over the course of many bad decisions
@@vaughnordakowski8774 Adelaide Byrd as well.
Why is the Spotify upload to this just the backing track
The vettori adesanya fight was so one sided it almost wasn’t even enjoyable 😂.
Reyes vs Jones better be on here.
Why’s this not on Spotify?
Joe’s face says the judges weren’t needed
Gotta watch until the end for that sweet Collin McGregor
What happened to the Spotify version?
Just like the commentary team now...we need fighters as judges. With a real knowledge of what's actually going on AND... experience.
I kind of agree with this but at the same time I feel like every fighter will be biased as they all know each other or train with certain guys. Even if they say their nor being biased I feel like they still would be.
Cruz has an impenetrable Lil Man Complex. 😄
5:14 is this at Elite MMA? Looks like Eric Williams second from left. Met Eric at a wedding last year and talked to him about the sport and this card in particular. He mentioned knowing Joe and Trevin.
Boxing version. 1000 times judges set the boxing world on fire.
I recently stepped into their shoes and judged my first mma event. It was a card with a couple amateur fights but mostly pro including a former ufc fighter. And it definitely is a lot harder when you sit there cage side. When you watch on tv you see every angle perfectly which you don’t cage side. You can’t see every shot that lands, or every takedown. I even missed a knockdown because it was right in my blind spot. You also don’t see statistics or hear other people’s opinions on the round (for example a commentator)
Ultimately everything went good, and nobody had a problem with a single scorecard, but it definitely is a whole new experience from just watching on tv
That's cool. Where do you live? Did you have to shadow a judge for a year? I think in us they have to but not sure of everywhere else.
@@007oskari that was the plan, but one judge fell out a week before the card so I judged on my own
Heimlich...I'm roaring
I think they should get former/active referees to judge fights because they'll have a better understanding of how a fight is going as they would have overseen many fights and results to know what will win you a round or not
*Steve Mazagati steps up*
Kills me how people think these same judges are “ incompetent “. It’s not incompetence, it’s $
Hey judge Joe trained me once or twice at my gym lmao
Does enyone ever wonder why we all know something is a problem but we never do shit about it? Seriously, humans as a species are by far the most fascinating.
The Hammil/Bisping robbery was one of the worst. Home cooking for sure.
the "new mma on point studio" self promotion commercial begins at 13:20
Please do a video on ufc after party's , remember Tito's post fight interview I'm pretty sure it was a Chuck loss, still asking people to come because he had Jet playing
Shouldve made the list after 2022 😆
Need a scoring system like Pride FC fight in its entirety
Machida v Shogun has to be on here.
It’s a list of bad judges, not bad calls by judges.
@@Jamesfrancosdog I realized that shortly afterwards but I'm too proud too delete my comment. 😂
My wife and I were at Tingly arena for the Pearson/Sanchez fight and I told my wife people are about to start throwing shit because Diego lost 😂
Background music?
Jeff Mullens used to promote fights where I used to live, Memphis, I believe he thought of himself as a godfather of memphis mma. He started working with the UFC in their dark ages. He’s always been shystie, I’m not surprised he made this list. His ego wouldn’t let his bad decision go without defending it.
Anyone got any idea what judges get paid per fight or per night of fights?
Really thought Maverick vs Barber would have been on here. I'm sure it was atleast considered
They need to have a cam that pops in of a pov right behind or above the judges cause I need to make sure they’re watching the same fight cause sometimes they’ve really gotten out of fucking hand 😭
Bisping was gifted hamil, Silva and Henderson 2. Got smashed in all 3 fights, got ko’d by Silva.
Will we ever see what Tommy 🏍 looks like
It could be a SNL skit two judges have the exact opposite and the third judges card says potato
I might be late to the party but the 10-8 vs chandler vs Oliviera is understandable. The round was even and then at the end Charles got dropped and swarmed. I get that being massive factor. It probably should have been 10-9 but if you thought chandler was winning and then saw that you'd give him a 10-8
agreed plus another judge also gave a 10-8 so it’s just everyone hating on sal
Before Sal Damato it was Adelaide "dirty" Byrd.
Sal on Oliveira v Chandler was a perfect example on how the judging system is just too much of a mathematical breakdown to way too many variables. The best way for them to judge would be still giving the winner 10 points, but giving the loser of the round x-9 points based on how they did against the winner, so it becomes more solely judging the loser of the rounds overall performance in those categories. Use the current system just to decide the round winner. I already know it has a possible side-effect of more lopsided scores, it isn't perfect. It is a place to start atleast.
Remember gsp vs Hendricks ?
Yeah , that’s all we need to know about bad judging.
It was very decisive. With GSP's resume though, I called it when the fight ended that they were going to screw over Hendricks. Unreal, but not surprised.
Judges in the UFC should be given every form of assistance for making their decisions since a poor call made against a upcoming fighter, or a struggling fighter trying to turn it around can completely destroy their careers and indirectly cause them to be forced to put their fighting careers to the side to pursue a consistent wage
Am I the only one put off by the extreme volume this commentator starts these videos at?
If you think judges in big name promotions are bad, just want till you see regional scene judging
Hammill smashed Bisping. I had forgot that fight untill seeing it here but now I remember how fucking pissed that decision made me
I feel like adding 2 more judges would solve a lot of the robbery issues. Obviously they need better judges and need to be held accountable but I feel at least 2 more judges would make up for more slip ups
I think they should have 3 judges, but at 3 different corners of the octagon. That way they don’t copy off each other’s homework like a 9th grader
Young kids not knowing what a forum is. Reddit: Am I a joke to you?
You need to redo this video to include Aljimain Sterling vs Petr Yan....the one nearly every bettor lost.
Sterling Vs Yan 2 wasn’t a robbery lmao
What rounds do you think Yan won?
Yan lost. Cry
What are judges watching when they give these scores
Sheesh
The judges at amatuer events are honestly better than some of these goons
Anyone remember the fight between Cathal Pendred and Sean Spencer? Decision was SO bad even Dana and Joe were saying on LIVE TV immediately after the decision was read that Spencer got robbed. And BOY did he get robbed!