Just played with my new summit pro LD shaft. Played about 4 hours with it and it felt great and shot great once I refined the tip to my preference. I haven’t shot on a 9’ table yet with it but hope to soon. Also I got the shaft from this site and got it a day early during post covid nonsense. Had questions asked supplier here he was very helpful, nice, great service, and great product. Will update once I play on a 9’ table which should be in the next 2-4 weeks. Highly recommend
I am thinking of buying a summit Ld shaft. I currently shoot with a jos067.I asked a guy on my pool league did it make a difference.he said on cut shots it does,but on straight in shots no.do you agree with that?also,is it hard to get used to shooting with it
I have had the Summit LD for about two months and have played around a hundred games since, I would say, and its an impressive cue. It plays like a high end cue as I have played with a Katana, Z3 and Mcdermott. I would 100% recommend this cue over the HXT or any other lower end cues. You will definitely feel the difference and comparison.
Good topic. A lot of people do not understand deflection. That was a very effective demonstration of how to determine how much cue ball deflection there is in a players particular shaft. As for the gentleman that commented about manufacturer's pivot point... You are correct. But it is still possible to determine deflection in the shaft by using the demonstration shown in this video. I have a Jacoby hybrid edge ultra 140 splice 11.75 mm shaft with Kamui soft. Brandon Jacoby told me that my optimal pivot point was 13 inches. But I still play with the bridge length that is most comfortable for me. I'm not sure what the length is but it doesn't matter because I performed the exercise shown here and figured out my cue ball deflection from there.
i upgraded my lucasi LD 11.75 shaft to a jacoby pro ultra 11.75 shaft,2 months ago i put on a kamui SS tip,i get good cueball control and english,i use predator chalk also
@@javierjavier5468 i already asked dave jacoby about the cue last year,he said there is lil bit of deflection,i just remembed that i messaged him,the ppl at cue sports live at youtube brag up mikkelsen cues.
To get apparent ZERO deflection (regardless of the manufactures stated claim of x% low deflection shaft) the cue must be bridged exactly at it's pivot point location. For some low deflection cues, this bridge location is >14 inches from the tip, and this can actually make them deflect more (opposite of what you would expect) in practice than a standard shaft. For example - If you naturally bridge at about 9.5" (the average pivot point location of a standard deflection shaft), your "low" deflection shaft with it's 14" pivot point location will shoot poorly due to less effective natural cancellation of any unintentional back-hand english/off center cueball hits. In the test demo above, you are bridging with the rail, and that distance (can't tell from vid) may be a lot longer than if you were to just shoot from a normal bridge hand on the felt. The key to good results with deflection cancellation (for all shafts) is to first determine the pivot point location for the shaft, and then place your bridge so that it will be right at that distance.
What are your thoughts in comparison between to the G Core by McDermott and this Summit LD 12.5? I believe the G Core is running around the same price right now with some retailers. I'm thinking of trying a Summit because its easy on the pocket and looks like it might play just as good in comparison to some quality cue shafts. Thoughts.....Anyone????
@@bzeheadens1365 Not yet. I've been playing w/ a Predator 314 & haven't tried either of these long term. I did like both the HXT & Lucasi more than I expected, though. Honestly, for someone at my level either Pure X or Lucasi would be fine. I still don't know anyone who's played w/ the Summitt.
@@bzeheadens1365 Same thing. The only thing that I'm worried about is the vibration feedback on the Players Hxt, so I will probably get the Summit, it sounds better to me.
@@MidNightSnowFawl Hey if it works for you good to hear i am playing with Kielwood Ld and they are stiffer and more accurate in my opinion that most carbon fibre shafts. They hit like a freight train and usually weigh only 3.2-3.7 oz. The poison shafts aren't bad for a beginner. If I'm buying production new 314 is prett solid and also Ob classic. Those are definitely a step up from the rest.
if you put the camera behind the object ball it would be easier to show how you are lining up the cue for delivery to see if it truly is a low deflection cue or yu have simply just allowed for the squirt
You were hitting with right hand English but the cue ball hit the right side of the 3 ball, you would expect it to deflect to the left. 4:16 time in the video this occurred and it happened more than that one time.
I bought this shaft and immediately returned it. It felt very low quality, like something from a sporting goods store. For an extra $50 I got a Pechauer P-plus and it is MUCH higher quality...
Billiards, any of various games played on a rectangular table with a designated number of small balls and a long stick called a cue. The table and the cushioned rail bordering the table are topped with a feltlike tight-fitting cloth. Carom, or French, billiards is played with three balls on a table that has no pockets. The other principal games are played on tables that have six pockets, one at each corner and one in each of the long sides; these games include English billiards, played with three balls; snooker, played with 21 balls and a cue ball; and pocket billiards, or pool, played with 15 balls and a cue ball. There are numerous varieties of each game-particularly of carom and pocket billiards.
Just played with my new summit pro LD shaft. Played about 4 hours with it and it felt great and shot great once I refined the tip to my preference. I haven’t shot on a 9’ table yet with it but hope to soon. Also I got the shaft from this site and got it a day early during post covid nonsense. Had questions asked supplier here he was very helpful, nice, great service, and great product. Will update once I play on a 9’ table which should be in the next 2-4 weeks. Highly recommend
Glad you like the shaft
I am thinking of buying a summit Ld shaft. I currently shoot with a jos067.I asked a guy on my pool league did it make a difference.he said on cut shots it does,but on straight in shots no.do you agree with that?also,is it hard to get used to shooting with it
Thank-you very much. I'm very happy with my new low deflection shaft.
Awesome. Glad to hear it
Just got an HXT15 LD cue and I'm not experienced enough to feel a huge difference yet but I love it so far! Early father's day gift
Congratulations
@@LearnBilliards thank you!
I have had the Summit LD for about two months and have played around a hundred games since, I would say, and its an impressive cue. It plays like a high end cue as I have played with a Katana, Z3 and Mcdermott. I would 100% recommend this cue over the HXT or any other lower end cues. You will definitely feel the difference and comparison.
Awesome
Now i know. I need low deflection shaft. Thanks for sharing
Check out the summit low deflection shaft at learnbilliards.com
Good topic. A lot of people do not understand deflection. That was a very effective demonstration of how to determine how much cue ball deflection there is in a players particular shaft. As for the gentleman that commented about manufacturer's pivot point... You are correct. But it is still possible to determine deflection in the shaft by using the demonstration shown in this video. I have a Jacoby hybrid edge ultra 140 splice 11.75 mm shaft with Kamui soft. Brandon Jacoby told me that my optimal pivot point was 13 inches. But I still play with the bridge length that is most comfortable for me. I'm not sure what the length is but it doesn't matter because I performed the exercise shown here and figured out my cue ball deflection from there.
i upgraded my lucasi LD 11.75 shaft to a jacoby pro ultra 11.75 shaft,2 months ago i put on a kamui SS tip,i get good cueball control and english,i use predator chalk also
@@javierjavier5468 have you heard of Mikkelsen custom cues? they have 0 deflection,i think there cpmpany is in canada
@@javierjavier5468 im not saying it,its what the person at live stream says about the cue,some ppl judge comments to bad
@@javierjavier5468 i already asked dave jacoby about the cue last year,he said there is lil bit of deflection,i just remembed that i messaged him,the ppl at cue sports live at youtube brag up mikkelsen cues.
I shoot with the hxt 99 and it definitely did improve my game
HXT shaft $114 at Seyberts...Love mine! 😎 🎱
Sweet it doubled in price 3 years later
Hello
What kind of cue is that with the
MOP inlays. Looks really sharp
To get apparent ZERO deflection (regardless of the manufactures stated claim of x% low deflection shaft) the cue must be bridged exactly at it's pivot point location. For some low deflection cues, this bridge location is >14 inches from the tip, and this can actually make them deflect more (opposite of what you would expect) in practice than a standard shaft. For example - If you naturally bridge at about 9.5" (the average pivot point location of a standard deflection shaft), your "low" deflection shaft with it's 14" pivot point location will shoot poorly due to less effective natural cancellation of any unintentional back-hand english/off center cueball hits. In the test demo above, you are bridging with the rail, and that distance (can't tell from vid) may be a lot longer than if you were to just shoot from a normal bridge hand on the felt. The key to good results with deflection cancellation (for all shafts) is to first determine the pivot point location for the shaft, and then place your bridge so that it will be right at that distance.
Lmfaooo
@@MidNightSnowFawl Bob Jewitt
Do you recommend this shaft over the purex hxt shaft? Looking for the best budget LD shaft
Yes. Personally I much prefer this that over any other low priced shaft
Hi, I have a butt which has 3/8 x 11 pin. Is the 3/8 x 10 version of this would work? Thanks
What are your thoughts in comparison between to the G Core by McDermott and this Summit LD 12.5? I believe the G Core is running around the same price right now with some retailers. I'm thinking of trying a Summit because its easy on the pocket and looks like it might play just as good in comparison to some quality cue shafts. Thoughts.....Anyone????
I own both and would go with the summit
@@LearnBilliards Awesome thank you!
could you make a review video of the balabushka cue ?
Sure
Is there any vibration feedback? I can't decide between Summit Pro LD and Pure-X HXT. Any recommendations?
No vibrations. For the money. Summit for sure.
Go with the Summit, I got it a few weeks ago and its a really good solid cue. For the price it plays extremely well!
Click on your web- is the 308 dollar shafts the low deflection shafts you advertise under 150. If not how do I buy the stick you have in that video
I got my HXT shaft new for $117...shop around! 😉
Do you prefer this or the Pure X HXT shaft for a bargain LD shaft & why?
Did you find out which LD shaft was better? Trying to decide between summit and purex hxt shaft
@@bzeheadens1365 Not yet. I've been playing w/ a Predator 314 & haven't tried either of these long term. I did like both the HXT & Lucasi more than I expected, though. Honestly, for someone at my level either Pure X or Lucasi would be fine. I still don't know anyone who's played w/ the Summitt.
@@bzeheadens1365 Same thing. The only thing that I'm worried about is the vibration feedback on the Players Hxt, so I will probably get the Summit, it sounds better to me.
i upgrading to Summit . the pure x hxt not really that smooth and i use q whiz and wax and i can't seem get it to be smooth ,
what exactly low deflection shafts do?
On a different subject, what kind of table do you have
Imperial table
Is the shaft one piece maple? Also what is the collar diameter? Thanks
Yes. 1 piece maple
@@LearnBilliards thanks may have to give it a shot 👍
Bro,
Where do I go to purchase this shaft you said u have it for $130 on payments??
Nice video. Does it have lower deflection than the Venom 2?
Thank you. I can't say. Never played with the venom 2 yet.
Venom 2 should not even be considered Ld to be honest it throws the ball like crazy.
I just recently tried one out. Its not as low as the higher end cues but it's not too bad. Has good LD in comparison to cheap cues under $200.
@@MidNightSnowFawl Hey if it works for you good to hear i am playing with Kielwood Ld and they are stiffer and more accurate in my opinion that most carbon fibre shafts. They hit like a freight train and usually weigh only 3.2-3.7 oz.
The poison shafts aren't bad for a beginner. If I'm buying production new 314 is prett solid and also Ob classic. Those are definitely a step up from the rest.
No radial pin variation?
All but radial
if you put the camera behind the object ball it would be easier to show how you are lining up the cue for delivery to see if it truly is a low deflection cue or yu have simply just allowed for the squirt
You were hitting with right hand English but the cue ball hit the right side of the 3 ball, you would expect it to deflect to the left. 4:16 time in the video this occurred and it happened more than that one time.
I know predator revo shaft is expensive, but how about predator vantage, which is cheaper, compared to this Summit shaft ?
jacoby ultra pro LD shaft was the shaft to buy
I heard from pool dawg Balabushka is not alow deflection shaft
You call that zero deflection? Its a good ld shaft but zero dont think so. Thanks!
Almost zero
I bought this shaft and immediately returned it. It felt very low quality, like something from a sporting goods store. For an extra $50 I got a Pechauer P-plus and it is MUCH higher quality...
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"Zero deflection" lol
You do know that billiards is played on a table with no pockets .?
Billiards, any of various games played on a rectangular table with a designated number of small balls and a long stick called a cue. The table and the cushioned rail bordering the table are topped with a feltlike tight-fitting cloth. Carom, or French, billiards is played with three balls on a table that has no pockets. The other principal games are played on tables that have six pockets, one at each corner and one in each of the long sides; these games include English billiards, played with three balls; snooker, played with 21 balls and a cue ball; and pocket billiards, or pool, played with 15 balls and a cue ball. There are numerous varieties of each game-particularly of carom and pocket billiards.
Damn you got schooled!!! Do you know LMFAO