WHAT IS A SNEAKY PETE AND DO YOU NEED ONE? - The worst kept secret in pool (Pool Lessons)
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- What is a Sneaky Pete and do you need one? Bryan answers that question for you, in this video.
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“It was like buying a handgun on the street” 🔥😂. I still have my two piece Dufferin sneaky Pete. 🤑👍
I had one of those back in the day
Any idea where I can get one?
Some of the Dufferin house cues played great. Just needed a good tip on it.
I own the very First Sneaky Pete.
And it was made by Jim McDermott and Jim and I came up with the name.
"Sneaky Pete"
The cue is now 50 years old and still perfectly straight.
About 10 to 15 years later, I showed the cue to David Kikel
who was living in Colorado Springs and starting to make high quality cues.
He made an exact copy of the cue and I still own David Kikel very first Sneaky Pete cue.
My name is Richard Beals from Indianapolis been living in Colorado since 1975.
In 1971 shortly after the Dayton, Ohio 9 Ball National Championship, I took Tom Spencer from Chicago and Tommy used the cue as a "Hustler" stick on the road to California.
We played Keith McCready when I think he was 17 and beat him out of 600 dollars.
The road was much safer then, but still a dangerous occupation.
RIP to :
Louie Roberts, Tom Spencer, Bobby Legg and my other road buddies who have moved on.
Thanks for the memories.
Thanks for sharing this story! Awesome reading!
Are you still in the springs?
Back in the day, way back, guys thought a guy with a fancy expensive cue must be a good player. Guy with a cheap looking cue, or a Sneaky Pete must be a scrub. Why else would he be using a cheap cue? Sneaky Pete's were pretty much a 2 piece house cue by appearance. No logos, metal joints, nothing. This was all pre Internet days when a road player could roll into town and no one knew who they were. The Sneaky Pete cue was all about the hustle set up. Anyone who has been around pool knows expensive pool cues won't make anyone a better player.
I owned a Hubler Sneaky Pete back in the 80's and 90's. Hit better than any other Hubler cue. It was my go-to cue for bar box play. I wish I still owned it. But I believe it saved my partner's and my tail in a bar fight in the late 90s. Breaking it over the disgruntled opposing player gave us enough time to get out the door and in our car.
I just use the House Cues. Most of the ones i've played with are 2 piece. But the difference is staggering. They're usually warped, bad tips... from years of abuse, but still completely playable for a player that is decent. I don't even bring mine anymore, cause i can't be bothered. I love playing, but only a few games a night, so i'm not gonna break my stick out for a few fun games.
New to pool and bought my first cue (avid sneaky pete). After looking at 1000, I picked this one cause I like the look...that simple. But seeing this video, I like the purchase so much more. Thanks for the video.
I bought a Sneaky Pete back in about '87. It was my first nice cue. It was an Adam's and it was colored correctly and had a wood to wood joint. It actually looked like a one-piece, just a lot nicer. One of the best hitting cues I ever owned. Wish I hadn't sold it...
Mine got stolen and it was a sweet cue. Won it in contest in some dive pool hall. I remember being pissed that didn't win the McDermott. Which I bought/won later that night. I offered him $50 plus what he owed me after beating him post tournament...I liked the Adams better.
Why'd you sell it?
@@Dogleg1957 damn sorry it got stolen
My favorite style cue. I shoot with a Lucasi sneaky pete during league till this day 🤘🎱
Used to have Meucci sneaky Pete that looked exactly like a bar cue. Zero markings! Only knew it was a Meucci because my buddy bought it new. Was a real nice shooter too!
I collect broken Dufferins from bars and poolhalls. After a 3/8-10 joint with a good shaft and LePro, they play great.
Often I don't even sand out all the nicks and scars before refinishing
If you have to bust it over someone or "use the restroom" and leave it on the table to avoid a bad situation, it's not a big loss.
I'm just getting back into the game after decades of not playing. I just got a Cuetec Sneaky Pete. I was well aware of the story concerning this cue. I simply decided to get this particular cue because of the classic design. I don't care for all the colors and graphics that are offered on today's cues. I also added a Summitt LD Shaft. Looking very forward to playing again! Great video!
My current cue is less a sneaky peat, and more custom low - mid dollar cue. I took a $150 Griffin and I have added a $400(on sale) low deflection carbon fiber shaft to. So, I got the relatively inexpensive but pretty butt, with the high functionality shaft. I will say as a fairly new player, since adding the LD shaft; my accuracy has significantly improved. The small tip (11.76mm) allows me to see where I am hitting the ball much more easily and gives me more control. (I love the channel btw I have learned a lot from your content) - APA-3 soon to be a 4
I've had a Meucci and a smeicke (however you spell it) sneaky pete. I sold both because I still can't get over how good my Joss n7 plays.
Agreed 100% when I bought my pro cue I bought one that had no inlay just Birdseye maple leather wrap turns out that hits better than any Cue I’ve ever had
I have a predator 4pt rosewood SP NW that I love.
I just ordered a predator 4 SP classic with wrap.
I have a cuetec 6pt KF SP grey.
I like SP’s, but I have many cues in my collection. My oldest cue is a handmade ‘73 helmstetter. My oldest predator is a 4K-7 that I have been using for many years. Still looks and shoots like new with a 314-1 shaft.
Keep up the great videos B! ❤
I personally have a sneaky Pete road line predator 314 and love it. I love the look and simplicity of the design and the cue plays great
In my opinion it's the best all-around cue for the $$$ obviously depends on company/craftsmanship
I use a Chris Nitti sneaky Pete. LOVE the way it looks and hits!!
Back in the day the pool shark wannabes would buy house cues and have a cuesmith cut it in half and make it a two-piece. My favorite house cues were the Dufferin house cues. Some of the Dufferin cues played excellent compared to something like Valley house cues.
Even my hustler friends during senior year and into college had meucci sneeky Pete's (dated probably mid 80s if remember what they told me) and there was still a difference that even I, not knowing anything about cues back then, could tell it wasn't. They were far closer then, but still, players could tell.
I'm not a sneaky Pete fan but to each their own. My favorite cue is McDermott with wood to wood joint.
I have a Predator Sneaky Pete Z2 11.75. Had it for over twenty years, and just changed the Z2 shaft with a Revo 11.8. The Revo improved my game right away and it looks good on the Sneaky Pete butt. Certainly not going to fool anyone.
Back in 2000 I bought my first *good* cue; it's a McDermott with a maple forearm and bubinga grip (no wrap) from a pro shop. There are no points or other gingerbread on the cue and it was about $100 with a soft case. This cue shoots amazingly well for what it is. I've replaced the tip a few times, but it's still arrow straight and hits solidly. Like some tattoo folks proclaim, "no regerts."
I have an old Players Sneaky Pete cue that felt absolutely right to me from the moment I shot with it! It belonged to a friend of mine as an extra he had, and I bought it used for $50, 12 years ago (the new cost was only $100 at the time). It hits great and I was amazingly comfortable with it from the get go! I've beaten players with cues more that 5 times+ the price of mine (original price), and I love that fact, LOL! I also own a custom cue made by a local San Diego pool cue maker that I shoot with most of the time. But when I play league (APA) in a dive bar, I'll use my Sneaky Pete.
Haven’t used sneaky Pete, but my pool equipment store guys are pretty straightforward… their recommendation is to pay for performance, not artwork.
Very timely for me! I recently played a guy in Flagstaff AZ (not my home town) and it looked like he was using a house cue. I wonone game out of four against him, but my wife was talking to his wife, and she said he used ot own a pool hall! I've ordered my own "plain cue" from McDermott. Will have it in three months or so!
Those words were full of truth Brian and thank you
Have one someone took a house cue and put a joint in. The bad thing is if you turn your back for one minute people will take it and start playing with it.
I own the Original.
I have a Predator Road line no wrap cue. I just like the simple design, and style.
my sneaky pete cue is a lucasi sneaky pete butt end with a jacoby kiel wood shaft 12.75 mm with a kamui super soft tip,it shoots great
I’m rocking a Lucasi custom sneaky Pete and completely love it! Just got the slim shaft that has a little bit of a collar so it won’t be so sneaky but love the look!
Very nice!
I really like the look of the Lucasi sneaky Pete. It has some nice subtle embellishments that elevate the look while staying true to the “house cue” appearance. Great choice
Wow didnt know about them. I have been using a Custom Ultra Slim Lucasi. I definitely plan to buy a Revo Shaft soon. Thanks for the information. Please share any other stories or wisdom with us. I watch every video and i Always Like the videos befor i even watch them
You need a sneaky Pete with no wrap to learn the Slip Stroke
Correct
My buddy Darryl, took a vall6 Supreme house cue and split it , perfect sneaky Pete
I just ordered a sneaky Pete for the reasons you mentioned quality cue, with out the price. But I did pair it with a revo 12.4, so I am not trying to fool anyone, except for myself.
I got one because I could stay at that $500 price range I was looking for With a quality low deflection shaft.
The cue with a standard shaft was about $330 and with the Pro P low deflection shaft it was $513 shipped.
J Pechauer Pro H Series with the Plus Pro Shaft..
At one point I had a throw-away $60 2-piece off-brand Sneaky Pete I kept in my car, just in case I ended up somewhere shooting when I wasn't initially planning to. I've been contemplating getting a Players Sneaky Pete as a spare. Occasionally someone at league will show up having forgotten their cue and it's handy to have a decent quality cue that you don't mind lending someone for an evening. Not low deflection or anything but still better than most house cues as far as reliability for shooting.
I have a Players Sneaky Pete and LOVE IT!
Even though I come from snooker, I do remember back in 1988 I had a hustler friend that used an early 80s meucci sneaky Pete. It really did look like a house cue except for the word meucci printed on it 😂. I asked him if this ever fools anyone and he said "usually not anyone that plays for money". I asked him "why get one?" And pretty much what Brian said "I like a plain cue that only cost about $200" (yeah, apparently meucci cues were still a ridiculous price even in the 80s).
i have a lucasi butt end that looks like a house cue but i upgraded the lucasi Zero Flexpoint low deflection shaft to a jacoby ultra pro 11.75 shaft with a kamui super soft tip,it shoots with perfection
I had Tim padgett build me a sneaky Pete to look like a cheap Kmart special. I wanted ivory ferrule with 11mm tip...he talked me into 12mm... 60 in length 18 oz. Told me price doubled with making 60 in cue to look like house cue. Np don't make look nice just cheap. So add anything at the end for extra 4 in. Looks around his garage (before he moved to arcadia) and picked out a blemish cocobolo scrap. Perfect. Also I didn't want the joint hidden. He used some sort wood at the joint which made it super strong. Couple days later I received the best shooting cue I ever owned...and the ugliest! Why so happy? After having an Adams and then a McDermott stolen. Hopefully this cue might get looked over when playing at dive bars I'd go to. Best cue I own and still have it today some 25 yrs later
I still buy Sneaky Pete's from good cue makers. One of my favorite style of cues. The woods used are important in the ones I buy.
Got a predator sneaky pete,with a revo 12.4,still cost me 1050 bucks,but worth every cent!
So true, i got sneaky pete roadline, with 314, but oh boy it plays well, all though its not brand new anymore
I have an old McDermott M11B, It’s a nice cue. I paid $100 for it but I rarely use it. It’s just a cue that my friends can use when come over and want to play on my Diamond Table. 👍🏼👍🏼
I personally like the aesthetics of Sneaky Petes. Sometimes cues look too busy with all the intricate inlays and exotic wraps. I like Sneaky Petes with really nice wood. The money I made the most with was with my old, two-piece, inverted joint Dufferin Sneaky Pete that I bought for $75 back in the mid 90s. This was when they were still making cues in Canada. I rarely play with it anymore, but I still have it and it's one of my most prized possessions.
Uh sneaky Pete with carbon fiber? 😂 boutta be me
I used a Sneaky Pete for a long time. Eventually went to carbon fiber cues, but now use a Cuetec AVID era Sneaky Pete. Absolutely love it.
I just ordered a cheap Vector Sneaky Pete. It will be my first cue but I think I’m going to order a Cuetec AVID as well in the near future. They seem to be great bang for the buck
@@glennelliott4989 they really are great. The performance is fantastic, and for the price tag you really can't get anything better. Would love to hear your feedback once you get it and have played with it for a while.
I actually ordered an AVID a few hours after k posted this! Lol. I’m gonna use the Vector Sneaky Pete as my break cue. Can’t wait to give them a run
what color furniture do you have on your ceutec? i think im going to get the black with white pinstripe for 270
i loved the dufferin housecues. but of corse there are to short. so i took 2 of them and made 1 out of them. the joint was where the break and jump cues had theirs. carried it around in a snooker cue case. played years with it until i broke it accidentally. i miss the " feel" that i had with this cue, till this day;)))
Thanks always for such great educational content.
Our pleasure!
I have a Merry Widow because I like the simple look of them.
Regarding Sneak Pete cues, one thing to be careful of is that I have seen drunks grabbing them thinking that they are a house cue. It has ended up in more than one argument.
I have custom cue made to my specifications with house cue butt. I’m not trying to fool anyone but I just love the style and the amazing thing is it lasts me over thirty years and I have never fixed anything to the cue.
I love my old hueblers with my 314 shaft but I have a $100 players sneaky Pete that I removed 1 ounce of weight, lightly turned the shaft to a more "pro" taper and spent the $30 on a good tip... Players has a lifetime warranty against warpage so this one stays in the truck for those last minute pool adventures.... And it plays very well, I break 9 ball better with it than I do my break stick👍👍
Will I just bought the Predator Sport 2 yellow logo with the 12.4 Revo shaft like 20 mins ago Lol 🤣 ..
I was thinking about getting a M-1 Meucci Sneaky Pete but I'm glad I changed my mind . Now I use to have One . It is a Sweet cue Red Dot with a Med. Moori tip ..
HONESTLY ! Watching your video on the Predator Sport cue changed my mind ..Thanks Great Video on that Cue ..
I had a sneaky Pete made from a Gandy house cue. A mechanic added a joint to this house cue. I used it in dive bars and now use it as a break cue. Remind us of the original sneakey Pete's last name.
I Have a predator sneaky Pete that i have for about for fifteen years. Along with a predator break cue. my wife pass away recently. Ducted the pool cast off , and started back playing . I was a 5/5 in th APA , before i stopping because of work and taking care of my wife. Just got back on a APA league as 5/5 . was having trouble getting my stoke back. Your videos have really helped me.
I bought a pete for the exact reason you said... plus I don't like flashy cues.
I have 2, look exactly like a house cue, have had them 30 years, still work very well,
I just ordered a Players Sneaky Pete for my first cue ever.
Sneaky petes are great i ownen a few off them, I use mine more in bar's, if is stolen damaged I'm alright and it's easier to replace or repair
If the cue has a decent tip,no matter how warped,a skilled player should be capable of playing with a real house cue.
Just got my Pechauer sneaky Pete and mane I’m in love with it
l am six four and bought a sixty two inch sneaky pete from pool dawg. lt was under three hundred bucks. Very pleased. Like your Videos!
I like my sneaky pete because I don't like most of the really loud designs on cues. There's beauty in the wood itself if you let it shine.
i picked up a old school Predator Sneaky Pete with a z3 shaft , it plays like a dream,
My dad used to use a sneaky pete and he stopped using it because he would turn around and see someone shooting with his cue thinking it was a house cue says it happened more than once.
Amaizing words...100% true words and thanks for your time 👍
My pleasure
Hi Brian baz here again I've just finished building my own cue full custom . 500 mm hardwood handle no inlays or Veneer no badge painted black. 1000 mm forearm maple , cut from a damaged peridon snooker cue 9.5mm stainless Ferrel stainless joints including 9 inch extention . Hand made red beechwood case . Looks plain until people see it in the case ( not for sale) play's brilliant
Sounds pretty cool
Love sneaky Pete cues. Good quality, no flash.
I have a Tim Scruggs sneaky that looks like a house cue bought in the 80s.
I had meucci sneaky Pete back when I was a teenager. I had no intentions on fooling anyone although it did. I had to stop several people from picking it up thinking it was a house cue. The main reason I bought it was meucci was really popular and it was the only one I could afford lol
Every prospective buyer of a cue should have to watch this video! It will save them possibly hundreds!!!
sneaky pete’s still hold value on the intermediate levels and against family and friends 😀🤗and also because its not good to show off your money cue in just any bar …
And also I purchased a good stick back in 1981 that wasn't my first stick but it was a very very good stick and it was a 18 Oz Richie Lawrence and I used to break with it and everything the tip fell off once and I have super glue and glued it back on real quick and still went about shooting I mean I had the same tip on there the whole time I use the stick
I still have a Scruggs sneaky. Plays great
If you like a full splice cue, sneaky Pete is the way to go. I like them if they're made well. The older Predator with stainless steel joint is the one I like the best.
Lol. So you're saying these cues are like Spiderman, or Batman? Causal look outside the hall, professional as hell in action? Whoa.
I thought sneaky Pete was where you buy hotdogs. The more you know
Recently bought a Meucci Sneaky Pete butt with the Pro Carbon Fiber shaft. $700 cue and I’m very pleased. Also had the shaft made to 31” and I’m liking it. Can you do a video about longer cues?
Low deflection shaft
What does bow deflection mean in pool sticks
I love my Lucasi sneaky Pete. I love my Ikon 4 as well lol
Nice info
Thanks
Good vid...great info, and no, I've never used or owned a Sneaky Peak...but it's Christmas...Who knows? I've been looking for a good "carry" cue. Happy Holidays, everyone. Be safe. --- "Crossbow", FL, USA
I hate spellcheck..
--- just noticed it misspelled "Sneaky Pete" ... (groan). Well you guys know what was meant...and, yeah, I DID proofread it before sending. Still missed it... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, everybody... See you next year, when I get back.
I really like the Florian Kohler Cuetec Avid Sneaky Pete cue but I don't think I'll be buying one I'm very happy with my Pechauer cue and don't see the reason to buy another cue unless for a back up or just to collect.
I’ve got one that my dad gave me 25 years ago and I’m guessing it’s 30-35 years old. He passed away 12 years ago and really didn’t tell me much about it. I’m hoping I can find some info on who the manufacturer was. It’s the only cue I’ve ever really played with and I love using it.
i use a custom sneaky pete cuz 1. They're cheaper but hit the same or sometimes better than a fancy, more expensive cue. 2. I dont like wrap. 3. I learned pool on house cues. 4. House cues feel too short and can also be very inconsistent. Ya hafta find that one...5. I just plain like the look and feel of a full spliced cue.
I prefer Sneaky Pete cause my primary sport is snooker and i have a snooker stance with the cue under my chin and close to my body. Every cue with the wrap on it just feels for me very uncomfortable.
Love my custom sneaky pete. Brazilian rosewood, hits like a dream and most importantly was less than 200 bucks.
Any way I could buy one?
In reality a sneaky Pete makes you look like a pedestrian, most of the people who break out their 2 piece play league meaning they are obsessed. I play a lot of bar pool and even if I’m not gambling I want to hold the table, which saves money and gives a sense of pride. Some house cues are actually ok, but come with the big tip this why I prefer my own sneaky Pete. And no glove either…
YES --- THEY ARE EXCELLENT
Thanks for watching
I have a Question !! Can you do a interview with Some players from the BCA league like you did for the APA ?
I ran into Some BCA league players last night .. Most of the BCA league players look Pretty Strong compared to APA players .. I'm not sure if that's True or not .. Thanks
I don't like putting a cue together in front of others because I'm not very good and get subconscious. I can see why someone would want a cue like that.
also they look really nice (imo)
I just bought a Predator P3 sneaky Pete. It's all black, no wrap and has chrome accents near the joint and bumper. I was told that it was constructed with the same pie piece method that LD shafts are. Is this true?
To the best of my knowledge this is true.
My cue is a sneaky Pete❗❗😆
it was a gift
I just look at the ferrule and tip and instantly know if it’s a house cue
Yeah this is Carter I last week I went and shot about four games of pool by myself with my new q it felt good but the tips are wrong I didn't realize if it's almost like a brake tip you know so it's when I every time I try to hit the cue ball it kind of deflected off of it you know so I shot with the house stick and I was running three or four balls and in a row you know it was no problem at all well I'm getting some English on stuff but I need to get another tip of my stick any suggestions I mean in my time there was only three different tips you know grades of tips and what I used to do was taking a put my thumbnail into to which tip I wanted cuz some of the tips will just mushroom out some of them will just stay hard and the one you want is the where you push you in your fingernail and indented slightly you know but do you know what those tips are called cuz I can't see with the with the tip I have in my stack it's just it won't even hold the chalk
Yeah this is Carter again I'm scheduled for surgery my first time is February 7th and the second one will be about a month after that so want to want to see what's the difference is between glasses and my depth perception after the surgery but I shot pretty decent when I went to to shoot some pool last week did pretty good considering I haven't picked up a stick in a lot of years so can't wait to get a good tip on mine and start start moving that English around you know just it's in my head it's just getting the feeling of touch again I'll be I'll be a small tornado to reckon with then eventually I'll be at hurricane again I just love the game usually people would only play a few games you know they didn't like it when you want all the time well I'm I'm not shooting to lose so you know but I was always cordial and polite you know a lot of times I'd quit shooting so other people can shoot which was fine with me yeah or if I come walking in a place to help Carter's here and no sense if I was in a bar it ain't putting your quarter up and they get mad cuz I never lose a game that tells you he's not going to lose the game I said look how many quarters out there hella take me over 2 hours to get back on the table or something I'm not in here to to overrun you guys or anything else so it says I'm out of socializing the same as you are that's all it is I just called a socializing all right thanks
Can you recommend who is the best sneaky pate??
Meucci or pechauer
??
I want buy one.
I use predator products pretty much exclusively, so I don’t think I would be much help. Sorry - my feeling is they are about equal.
I always thought a sneaky Pete was loganberry wine and beer.
I'd like a sneaky pete just because it doesn't stand out :)
if you're trying to shark someone, just use an actual house cue. If you're that good, it shouldnt make a ton of difference.
James, I think you have a mist-understanding of the word "sharking" as used in pool. Plus, a house cue at 95% of pool halls makes a MAJOR difference. Even to the best players. If it did not, then the multi million dollar cue companies would not exist. The multi million dollar cue retail business would not exist. And I would be using a $30 house cue every day.
"It does not make a difference" is one of those pool expressions that some fool made up years ago and low level players bought into, so that they could have an excuse to not invest in quality cues. The only time it does not make a difference is if you are playing on a low level. This is because a quality cue in the hands of a weak player is simply a piece of wood. Like a soccer mom driving the kids to school in a Ferrari.
The Definition of Sharking:
Sharking is a billiards slang term that is a part of Gambling and Betting Terminology.
Any one of numerous tactics which unethical players employ to rattle or upset their opponent. Talking, making noise, and chalking your cue while your opponent is shooting are all considered sharking tactics.
It has nothing to do with trying to look like an unskilled player. That's something that happens in movies a thousand times more than it does in the real world.