The AMRAAM does 2500 knots, which is about 4600 kph or Mach 4. Caught up easily. The platform that launched the AMRAAM would have indicated to the operator to not launch at all if the fire control system calculated there was no or only a very low chance to catch up.
@@SuperChampion333 russia loses about 1000men eacy day to advance few 100m, this before the hard necessary 60bil$ aid will come around, I wouldn't be too enthusiast just yet 😂
@@SuperChampion333 And Ukrainians are asking why Russians are dying so much if they think they are successful. Front lines have surges here and there on both parts...russia just doesnt publicize ukraine doing what it does itself ..bad for public back home. At the end of the day...all these little surges are repelled by both sides and the lines balance again...russia wins here or there...Ukraine wins in other locations.... russia still has not made any inroads equal to what ukraine did last year and only now take back what ukraine took last year...its a stalemate...but this year...Ukraine lets russia overextend...it has 500k more troops...it has F16s arriving since the weekend...it has 68 billion in aid from the US now...and it also has 54 billion euro for this year from EU. Russia is the bogger army...but will lose this war on attrition...along with a lot of member states after the war breaking away. This is the end of the russian union....400 years a sore thumb in Europe...and now a long strategy to destroy it playing out...and russia is losing.
@@placeholdername0000Really what battle are you following? Reading CNN. Still believe in your rubbish weapons. The battle is over. Your weapons are PISpot great
If the AIM-120 is 2 Mach (750 m/s) faster than the Kh-101 at full speed and 10 seconds behind it, it will need 3.6 seconds to fly the distance the Kh-101 will have flown in that time. Then they meet. Since the Kh-101 will have flown some additional 2700 meters at that point, the sound of the explosion will reach the camera some 8 seconds later. So 18 seconds from the Kh-101 passing the camera to the sound of the interception explosion. Simple rule of three math with a bit of adding and subtracting.
You are making a whole lot of assumptions in your calculation. Most of them incorrect. The biggest mistake is assuming that the KH-101 has "only" flown 2700 metres. at 3.6 seconds. Errr.. no! Try again, It's 10 seconds behind, but it will catch it in 3'6 flying at Mach 2. Nope.
@@68Boca The full speed of a Kh-101 is 270 m/s according to wikipedia. The AIM-120 is not going at Mach 2 in my example, I set it at 2 Mach *faster* than the Kh-101 because it is still accelerating and csn therefore not be assumed to fly at its full Mach 4.
@@hansjorgkunde3772this is misleading. There have been six Khinzal missiles that have been confirmed to have been shot down (missile debris landed in cities, it wasn’t destroyed in a successful strike). 1st, the khinzal isnt a true hypersonic, its just a ballistic missile that goes over Mach 5, similar to German missiles from 1944. A true hypersonic missile is one that flies at Mach 5+ speeds at low altitude and can maneuver. Russias “hypersonic” missile is actually just a ballistic missile, it flies up high, then dives down without good maneuverability and therefor can be shot down using ballistics (missile intercepts it from front not back). Nobody truly has real hypersonic cruise missiles that fly low like this one and can maneuver to dodge air to air missile while still going hypersonic.
@@hansjorgkunde3772 But it's not a kinzhal and nobody would use an amramm to shoot down a kinzhal. That's what patriot systems are for and do very well.
@@prettycoolcat war propaganda. Patriots performance: "During the Abqaiq-Khurais attack in September 2019, the six battalions of Patriot missile defense systems owned by Saudi Arabia failed to protect its oil facilities from attacks by multiple drones and suspected cruise missiles" Saudi Arabia was not pleased. Not a single Kinzhal has been shot down. There are repeatedly claims, but the wreckage shown by Vitali Klitschko mayor of Kiev are clearly not parts of a Kinzhal but more likely a KH-101 subsonic cruise missile.
At this point it was flying without propulsion, so anything higher than 1Mach creates sonic boom, but you have to keep that in mind, since its losing speed fast at these altitudes
those leaves look old and tired to me, sunlight is also kinda washed out (i.e. sun has moved south for the winter, more atmo to pass through, makes the sky brighter blue). i'm personally thinking it's mid autumn
YEah this is a better thing to say than "if two trains are moving towards each other and are 5 miles apart, traveling 45kph and 95kph, which will hit ronald mcdonalds' face in detroit". TYVM
Mach 4 is at 36,000 feet Mach 2 near 500 feet, perhaps even a little slower than that. aerodynamic heating and forces on structural components become enormous & expensive to deal with in the dense air near the earth
In Poland there was over 20C a few weeks ago, and -6C a few days ago, and now many trees look exactly like the ones on the video due to frost damage. So it may be a video even from today.
@@TheGrace020I could never live north, a hate cold, in Serbia there is winter but not that cold but even that is 2 long for me so I go in January 20 days somewhere warmer to cut winter, it was 30 Celsius last few days and there was even days with 30 Celsius in March, in 80s when I was teen there was constant snow like 2-3 months now is like 3-4 days at max so climate deffintly changed a lot
@@dzonikg28 understandable would go away too for a while if i could when the darkness comes thats worse than the cold that you only have like 4-5 hours of light in winter then its pitch black and yes the changes in climate are noticable just the last few years here less snow warmer summer etc
@@TheGrace020 Yes I also hate that winter time change, so I always more then happy when late march come and we switch to summer time. Who invented that winter-summer time make go to hell, it's just depressing when at 5pm Is allready night
Thanks. I really appreciate hearing the sound of these war machines in action. It just adds this whole other dimension to the videos and makes it feel or seem more real as it gets little easier to appreciate how devastating and terrifying these things can be.
@@Markdmarque 4th Gen fighters are those designed in the 70's and 80's. The F-16 is a 4th gen fighter, just like all of Russias front line aircraft. It has peer capability against Su-27 family and MiG-29's. And its multi-role capability gives it much more functionality than Russian equivalents. The SU-57 is vapourware, barely a squadron of them exists. Production is exceptionally slow. Only a handful have seen combat operations. Basically it's the aerial equivalent of the much lampooned T-14. I don't believe in wunderwaffe or "game-changers", but F-16's certainly bring an important improvement in Ukraines defence against Russia's aggression. Russia simply has failed to achieve air supremacy. F-16's will go someway to offsetting that even further.
Not necessarily, it all depends on how far the Khinzal was from its target and given the fact that the footage is so short it really is impossible to say either way.
@@mickg7299That wasn’t a Kinzhal. It was a KH-101. Similar to the US Tomahawk. The Kh has countermeasures such as flares & some variants have EW like a jet. Even if it did catch up maybe it hit & maybe it didn’t
The AMRAAM’s max speed is probably when launched from a fighter at high altitude. Launching from ground is going to be a much lower max speed. But that AMRAAM had a sonic boom as it passed the camera, so it was over Mach 1.
Mach is per definition "at the relevant altitude", as it is the speed of sound, which varies with air density. So if the Kalibr can fly at Mach 0.78 and the AMRAAM can fly at Mach 4, then their relative difference will be the same at all altitudes (provided that they actually ARE at the same altitude - which roughly looked to be the case here). And no, the AMRAAM does not need a boost to get to max speed. It spends the majority of it's flight time there. Mach 4 just happens to be the point where wind resistance and thrust output are in equilibrium. Any maneuvering will slow it down.
@@andersjjensen Speed of sound in air varies with temperature, not density. Lower altitude air is generally warmer which is probably how you got the incorrect impression that it varies with density. The air down low is a lot denser (= higher drag) than it is at high altitude, and the AMRAAM's rocket motor produces the same thrust either way (actually it will produce slightly less thrust at low altitude, but the difference is probably not significant). So the missile will go slower and have a shorter range down low, probably topping out at about Mach 2.5. The AIM-120 has a lot of advanced features to make the best use of its engine, including 'lofting' where the missile flies up into the thinner air to minimize drag, then dives back down onto the target once it gets close enough. That helps (and is why the 160 kg AIM-120 fired from NASAMS has the same range as a 700 kg 9M38 missile fired by the SA-11/Buk system) but it can only do so much.
@@andersjjensenMach 4 at low altitude is considerable faster than at height and the air resistence is a lot higher than at high altitude. There is a detailed simulation published in the internet, which estimated the maximum speed of the AMRAAM at low altitude at Mach 3 and a range of ~20 km (if fired from a fighter at Mach 0,8)
@@andersjjensenaim120 is not reaching mach 4 if it’s ground launched without a boaster unless it’s aim120D even it probably doesn’t have a sustained booster that accelerates it to Mach 4
It’s just April. The trees will only be starting to form leaves now. I’ve got quite a similar climate to Kyiv, and the leaves came out last weekend only.
@@andersjjensennope amraams are 100% American , but the missile in the vid could literally be anything , could be irist , s300 , literally anything , the image is too unclear to call it an aim120
Depending on version, AIM-120 range can be as low as 50 km when air launched. Ground launched missiles bleed a lot of energy just to get to similar altitude and speed, so range is reduced. Being faster does not mean it did hit.
What the U.S. did to Ukraine by holding back support after promising to defend Ukraine in this very situation is terrible. How many intercepts were missed because of it and how many others died in cities and in the fields? In the aggregate, Europe has failed to hold their promised timelines too. I’m really embarrassed to be American - and to think Trump will force Ukraine to lose by withdrawing all support is the worst feeling. Bless Ukraine.
Trump has to be re-elected first to deny Ukraine further support. It is the duty of every American that actually believes in the Constitution and the laws of this land to prevent Trump, and his associates, from ever again being in a position to wield any kind of power in this country. He and they are a danger not only to this country, but to the world and democracies at large.
The West doesn't have bottomless pits of tax payers money! Our future generations need that for infrastructure for when they are older. The West (which includes you) didn't care about when Russian did it's thing in 2014, it could have been stopped then by the West but it wasn't. Russia holds Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk, they WILL continue to hold those regions if the West allows the war to continue. Russia WILL NOT give those back, they want that as a buffer zone from NATO. They have a bigger supply of meat to send to the front, Ukraine does not. When does land become more important that life? Why are these regions that have been held by Russia since 2014 more important than Ukrainian life AND possibly lives of western countries (money diverted from future generation funding)? Trump is a joke BUT he has a point. Give Putin two options, keep those regions and don't advance and the West will stop weapon aid (then Ukraine joins NATO) OR continue to attack and advance and the West fully commits with boots on the ground and scorched earth. How many more people have to die and live destroyed to take back land that was already taken in 2014???????? Take emotion and hatred out of it and look at it logically.
I don't think Trump will do that thought? His faction would want that, but he has a history of doing what he wants anyway, so he'll probably first try to play peacemaker, fail, and then commit even more to Ukraine while branding it as 'HIS thing'.
@@Ami_BKyou seem to be ignoring the fact that the large bulk of US aid goes back into the US economy and not to Ukraine. The billions being provided as military aid is actually the US giving their older stocks and equipment to Ukraine with the monies being spent on producing new and replacement equipment in the US. How does this not help the US economy? Also, bully boys like PooTin look on concessions as weakness then laugh in your face and keep doing what they're doing because no one is going to stop them. Read history on what happened with Hitler after Chamberlain tried appeasement with him. Perhaps you should get more facts about what the situation is first?
This does a good job of contextualizing the speed difference between these two missiles in particular as well as the general difference between cruise missiles and air-to-air missiles.
I suppose that this AMRAAM was launched from a NASAM? Because I don't think that, aside from the F-16s, there is any launching platform capable of using AMRAAMs (without taking into account NASAM)
I did the math. The AIM-120 would've caught up with KH-101 approximately 4.64 seconds after passing the camera and almost certainly obliterated it if it did.
@@jukeseyable That's what we were all saying about the possibility of Storm Shadows, and before that, HAARM. In both cases, the Ukrainians told us "hold my Horilka" and successfully deployed them from their old soviet-made jets. In the HAARM case, likely in a reduced capability mode, but none the less... The AIM-120 does have firing modes that allows it to operate without guidance integration from a launch platform (but it would be a bit of a waste unless you've run out of other things, since you're basically sacrificing almost all things that make the 120 "better"). That said, I'm not convinced it's an AIM-120. I see no reason it couldn't be one of many other things, and the Ukrainians aren't lacking in experience of missile manufacture and have domestically produced equivalents. The fact that the motor is burning in the shot means this was launched right there - we might even be seeing the launch but the video doesn't quite capture the launching platform. If I recall correctly, it's 6-8 seconds burn on the 120, but it's old memories. The sound certainly sounds like the _start_ of a rocket burn.
@@danielAgorander pls believe me when i say this, and rest assured what follows is not in any way an attack on you but your comment reveals your level of understanding that is what is involved here, I can assure you its essentially 0. So some questions for you to think about and come back to me with some answers, i dont know is a perfictly good answer. So firstly how are Storm Shadow, HARM and AMMRAM guided? With consideration of this what do each of those different missiles need from the launch aircraft 1 to enable a launch? 2 What do they need to be provided for guidence to the target. (a little heads up here. the russian cyrilic alphabet is totally different to the alphabet used in western counteries. Yes i apprieciate cmputers are all 1s and 0s, but think about it?
A suggestion: if the footage is all portrait, perhaps just make your video portrait too. I’m no fan of vertical video but that will result in it being the same size in desktop, where you can’t rotate the screen, and about 4x larger on mobile, where you can
AIM-120 I heard a distinct sonic boom. Frame count of the same sky scanned, someone can crunch some numbers & make an educated guess of how many seconds that 120 caught up to the 101 & how many km it was down range. Based off first branches to the roofline for the 101, the time between the appearance of the 120 & then the time travel from the same 1st branches to the roofline (in frame count).
Rear aspect intercept generally means late detection especially regarding slow/low movers. The AMRAAM seems to still be in the boosting phase. The guy was very lucky to be able to film this shot ...
I wondered how they knew to point the camera back for the 2nd one, because they wouldn't hear the amraam coming. Maybe they saw them both in the sky before filming.
I thought the AMRAAM was going to have been fired from the ground, and have been in the air a couple seconds already. Did we have confirmation of AMRAAM being grafted onto MiG-29s and Su-27s yet?
@@totalNERD-eo7wx no. Why would say that? There is nothing that indicates this. Ukraine got NASAMS last year and will get a lot more now. Its a great GBAD system that can use old stock missiles of various types which can come from any country flying US planes and looks to replace the old stuff with newer models.
@@Ganiscol No, I was saying it looks like it was launched from the air, because the missile appears to be on burn in level flight, and if it were launched by a NASAMS it would almost certainly be gliding toward its target.
@@totalNERD-eo7wx I think it only appears to be on burn because we're just not used to the sight/sound of missiles in supersonic glide from a stationary position... _(that "puff" could be it dropping from 2.0 to 1.9 mach but otherwise I don't see any kind of exhaust trail to indicate it's still boosting)_ -- edit: I thought the apparent "acceleration" was just an illusion from the photography but now I'm not so sure...
Less than 5 seconds till BOOM 💥 Without using the stats and just counting how long each missile took to cross the view and how long between them being visible. Ukraine missile crossed the screen 3+ seconds faster than the cruise missile; Ukraine missile crossed the distance well under two seconds; there was less than 7 seconds between each one disappearing. By these rough timings it will pesimistically take 2 x 2sec of Ukrainian missile travel to make up that approx 6sec head start. Surprised the vid didn't record the sound of the interception boom.
Yes, based upon their approximate speed and time elapsed between the missiles, the amraam would have caught up with the cruise missile about 1.8 seconds after the camera filmed the amraam.
10 sec difference in their travel. Cruise was going prob around 0.7 mach and aim120 was more than likely going mach +- mach 1.8 so i'd guestimate maybe 10-14 seconds after the amraam past the camara to get the boom of the intercept
The AMRAAM is actually around 6.87 times faster than the Kh-101. The Kh-101 has a cruising speed of around 200 m/sec, while the AMRAAM is 11,372 m/sec.
What I find interesting here is the massive feat of getting a supersonic AMRAAM on a phone camera. I used to live one valley over from the valley that subsonic A-6 intruders flew down for training. And even knowing about where they'd be, and being able to use sound as a warning of their approach it was not exactly easy to spot them with the mark-one eyeball. Back then we didn't have phone cameras but pointing a phone camera at a fast-moving target is a lot harder than just looking at it. And even at high subsonic speeds you have to hear the sound and then look ahead of where the sound seems to be coming from to find the aircraft, at supersonic speeds the missile would be well past before one heard it.
Replaying the video at quarter speed, and using the branches as a point of reference, I counted 12 seconds (0:25 and 0:37) between the two missiles. The max speed of the KH-101 was mentioned to be Mach 0.78, while the AIM-120's max speed is Mach 4. Using this, the KH-101's head start was .78 * 12 = 9.36. We can now solve for the time to intercept .78*t + 9.36 = 4*t. Subtracting .78*t from both sides yields 9.36 = 3.22*t dividing both sides by 3.22 we get t = 9.36/3.22 = 2.91 seconds to intercept. NOTE1: The (non extended range) AIM-120 has a range of 30+ miles. Traveling at Mach 4, that implies it has a 'burn time' of ~35.2 seconds. So it can't be launched from too far behind. NOTE 2: Since we're solving for time, there is no need to convert the Mach number into units of feet or meters per second, as it is merely a constant on both sides of the equation. The result will be the same regardless of the units chosen.
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The AIM-120 was going a lot faster. It definitely caught up.
it is a kalibr kh101 it goes fast as 593mph, an aim-120 is mach 2 at least
Replay the clip. I believe we can distinguish the sound barrier thump.
The AMRAAM does 2500 knots, which is about 4600 kph or Mach 4.
Caught up easily.
The platform that launched the AMRAAM would have indicated to the operator to not launch at all if the fire control system calculated there was no or only a very low chance to catch up.
@@user-dv7hq2rh4gI suspect that speed would be in the thinner air of high altitude say 10000m
Depends on what part of the engagement envelope it was launched from, I’d never say definitely because sometimes they lose track.
The AMRAAM was going supersonic. Can hear the sonic boom.
"Going supersonic I'll be there in 30 seconds"
Usually a sign that the target is toast.
Yeah, I thought I heard that
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@@aberdeenkiko yeah no that based on its size and speed isnt a cruise missile.
"AAAAHHHH! AAAAHHHH!"
"Why are you running? WHY ARE YOU RUNNING?!?!"
😂
both were running towars target.
@@SuperChampion333 Nurse!
@@SuperChampion333 russia loses about 1000men eacy day to advance few 100m, this before the hard necessary 60bil$ aid will come around, I wouldn't be too enthusiast just yet 😂
@@SuperChampion333 And Ukrainians are asking why Russians are dying so much if they think they are successful. Front lines have surges here and there on both parts...russia just doesnt publicize ukraine doing what it does itself ..bad for public back home. At the end of the day...all these little surges are repelled by both sides and the lines balance again...russia wins here or there...Ukraine wins in other locations.... russia still has not made any inroads equal to what ukraine did last year and only now take back what ukraine took last year...its a stalemate...but this year...Ukraine lets russia overextend...it has 500k more troops...it has F16s arriving since the weekend...it has 68 billion in aid from the US now...and it also has 54 billion euro for this year from EU. Russia is the bogger army...but will lose this war on attrition...along with a lot of member states after the war breaking away. This is the end of the russian union....400 years a sore thumb in Europe...and now a long strategy to destroy it playing out...and russia is losing.
AIM-120 just learned the parents weren't home.
Call me KN101 cause I'm DEAD
If by "parents" you mean Air Defense or literally any countermeasures
The Kh101 is about to get f*cked.
@@placeholdername0000Really what battle are you following? Reading CNN. Still believe in your rubbish weapons. The battle is over. Your weapons are PISpot great
If the AIM-120 is 2 Mach (750 m/s) faster than the Kh-101 at full speed and 10 seconds behind it, it will need 3.6 seconds to fly the distance the Kh-101 will have flown in that time. Then they meet. Since the Kh-101 will have flown some additional 2700 meters at that point, the sound of the explosion will reach the camera some 8 seconds later. So 18 seconds from the Kh-101 passing the camera to the sound of the interception explosion. Simple rule of three math with a bit of adding and subtracting.
Man, I'm not nearly that good at math but I'm fairly good at guestimating. Sounds about right to me 😁
You are making a whole lot of assumptions in your calculation. Most of them incorrect.
The biggest mistake is assuming that the KH-101 has "only" flown 2700 metres. at 3.6 seconds. Errr.. no!
Try again, It's 10 seconds behind, but it will catch it in 3'6 flying at Mach 2. Nope.
@@68Boca The full speed of a Kh-101 is 270 m/s according to wikipedia. The AIM-120 is not going at Mach 2 in my example, I set it at 2 Mach *faster* than the Kh-101 because it is still accelerating and csn therefore not be assumed to fly at its full Mach 4.
@@68BocaWhat?
I have four apples now did I read that word problem correct professor...
" Ready or not here I come " ...
....you can't hide...
Gonna find you
I started humming in my head! 😂😂😂
"Or NNNNOOOTTT!" 💥
wow that amraam is MOVING
yeah, it moves an impressive speed
A kinzhal got mach 8 at least up to mach 10, that is 2.5 times higher than the interceptor can do.
@@hansjorgkunde3772this is misleading. There have been six Khinzal missiles that have been confirmed to have been shot down (missile debris landed in cities, it wasn’t destroyed in a successful strike). 1st, the khinzal isnt a true hypersonic, its just a ballistic missile that goes over Mach 5, similar to German missiles from 1944. A true hypersonic missile is one that flies at Mach 5+ speeds at low altitude and can maneuver. Russias “hypersonic” missile is actually just a ballistic missile, it flies up high, then dives down without good maneuverability and therefor can be shot down using ballistics (missile intercepts it from front not back). Nobody truly has real hypersonic cruise missiles that fly low like this one and can maneuver to dodge air to air missile while still going hypersonic.
@@hansjorgkunde3772 But it's not a kinzhal and nobody would use an amramm to shoot down a kinzhal. That's what patriot systems are for and do very well.
@@prettycoolcat war propaganda. Patriots performance: "During the Abqaiq-Khurais attack in September 2019, the six battalions of Patriot missile defense systems owned by Saudi Arabia failed to protect its oil facilities from attacks by multiple drones and suspected cruise missiles" Saudi Arabia was not pleased.
Not a single Kinzhal has been shot down. There are repeatedly claims, but the wreckage shown by Vitali Klitschko mayor of Kiev are clearly not parts of a Kinzhal but more likely a KH-101 subsonic cruise missile.
You can hear the sonic boom of the AIM-120 in the vid. Definitely caught up.
That Sonic bom..
THREADS
At this point it was flying without propulsion, so anything higher than 1Mach creates sonic boom, but you have to keep that in mind, since its losing speed fast at these altitudes
@@Ricqu from what i can tell the motor is still burning, judging from the gas trail behind the amraam, must be a very close launch. i could be wrong
@@yixuanouyang7676 you might be right
Kh-101: zoom
AIM-120: ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
The other way around...😉
That was also my thought.
hehe
Catch catch kinzhal
@@heukelummeronly in in the counter factual russian world.
"Objects in the mirror are cloder than they appear".
Colder?
@@pavelgonzalez9569closer.
Kh101 *flying*
AIM-120 *absolutelyfuckingnot*
Keep coping. It’s all you ladies do in this life and try to play tough
@@SFbayArea94121 they are all about the narrative.
MIC: more money!!!
FED: absofuckinglutely"!
CHINA: you sure about that?
DOLLAR: "croaks"
@@simonschneider5913 you seem upset.
I guessed 5-seconds.
And, the trees have spring buds and new leaves on them.
definitely spring growth
Yeah I think so too
those leaves look old and tired to me, sunlight is also kinda washed out (i.e. sun has moved south for the winter, more atmo to pass through, makes the sky brighter blue). i'm personally thinking it's mid autumn
run forest run
run, Yellen, run.
AIM-120 was created to catch subsonic targets hands down.
subsonic? the AIM 120 fly at mach 4 so caht easely supersonic targets...
@@leneanderthalien Well hence the expression hands down
The AIM-120 was created to catch maneuvering supersonic fighter jets so shouldn't be a problem.
@@leneanderthalien read again - he was talking about subsonic TARGETS. The KH101 is definitely subsonic
@@sogerc1in head on engagements at high altitude, it might barely catch this
KH-101: "......aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhh...."
AMRAAM: "...GETREADYFORTHEPAIN! PAIN TRAIN'S COMIN'! ***sonic boom*** WUT-WOO! WUT-WOOOoooooooo...."
YEah this is a better thing to say than "if two trains are moving towards each other and are 5 miles apart, traveling 45kph and 95kph, which will hit ronald mcdonalds' face in detroit". TYVM
Mach 4 is at 36,000 feet
Mach 2 near 500 feet, perhaps even a little slower than that.
aerodynamic heating and forces on structural components become enormous & expensive to deal with in the dense air near the earth
WAT?
@@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus he said amraam top speed is mach 4, but that's only true at very high altitude, probably 36,000 feet & higher
@@posmoo9790 The unedited post was much shorter. Why do you refer to yourself in the third person? Are you Dewey Crowe?
Probably uses them and they as his pronouns.@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus
He said air density at altitude.
In Poland there was over 20C a few weeks ago, and -6C a few days ago, and now many trees look exactly like the ones on the video due to frost damage. So it may be a video even from today.
Exactly same in sweden trees bloomed today few days ago there was snow and -c 😂 seasons are all messed up
That’s a distinct possibility, Harry Potter castle (Odessa) got destroyed by top secret Russian broomstick missile (code name quidditch) 🧹🏰💥
@@TheGrace020I could never live north, a hate cold, in Serbia there is winter but not that cold but even that is 2 long for me so I go in January 20 days somewhere warmer to cut winter, it was 30 Celsius last few days and there was even days with 30 Celsius in March, in 80s when I was teen there was constant snow like 2-3 months now is like 3-4 days at max so climate deffintly changed a lot
@@dzonikg28 understandable would go away too for a while if i could when the darkness comes thats worse than the cold that you only have like 4-5 hours of light in winter then its pitch black and yes the changes in climate are noticable just the last few years here less snow warmer summer etc
@@TheGrace020 Yes I also hate that winter time change, so I always more then happy when late march come and we switch to summer time. Who invented that winter-summer time make go to hell, it's just depressing when at 5pm Is allready night
The thump at 0:38 is the AIM-120's sonic boom
Thanks. I really appreciate hearing the sound of these war machines in action. It just adds this whole other dimension to the videos and makes it feel or seem more real as it gets little easier to appreciate how devastating and terrifying these things can be.
E in Maths Sucho!!!...I got an F!!!...took me a few years to realise tha F was a fail !!!.. I thought it meant Fantastic!!!!
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So you Failed English Language too then ?
@@johncunningham4820.........being Disloxic...I was always going to fail English!!!!
F for fenominal
that sonic boom was impressive
NASAMS is the likely source of the AIM 120.
The stuff you bring to us via these videos never imagined we could see this kind of stuff. Thanks for sharing as always.
Oh wow. AIM-120's mean one of two things. NASAM's (which Ukraine does have) or F-16's.
I still don’t understand why we are calling this an sim120. There is no evidence for it.
@@alfredchurchill2328 S'good point tbh. It's pretty impossible visually to tell what the chase object is beyond "fast moving angry stick".
@@Stubbinoit could be anything
F16's are 1970's technology against Russian 4th and 5th generation fighter jets 😅😅
@@Markdmarque 4th Gen fighters are those designed in the 70's and 80's. The F-16 is a 4th gen fighter, just like all of Russias front line aircraft. It has peer capability against Su-27 family and MiG-29's. And its multi-role capability gives it much more functionality than Russian equivalents.
The SU-57 is vapourware, barely a squadron of them exists. Production is exceptionally slow. Only a handful have seen combat operations. Basically it's the aerial equivalent of the much lampooned T-14.
I don't believe in wunderwaffe or "game-changers", but F-16's certainly bring an important improvement in Ukraines defence against Russia's aggression. Russia simply has failed to achieve air supremacy. F-16's will go someway to offsetting that even further.
AMRAAM DEFINITELY caught up. The speed difference is massive.
Not necessarily, it all depends on how far the Khinzal was from its target and given the fact that the footage is so short it really is impossible to say either way.
@@mickg7299 true but it better have only been seconds away
@@ALabInSaintDenis Wishful thinking on your part.
@@mickg7299 yeah ok🙃
@@mickg7299That wasn’t a Kinzhal. It was a KH-101. Similar to the US Tomahawk. The Kh has countermeasures such as flares & some variants have EW like a jet. Even if it did catch up maybe it hit & maybe it didn’t
the difference in speed is very visible,,, and also very audible.
The AMRAAM’s max speed is probably when launched from a fighter at high altitude. Launching from ground is going to be a much lower max speed. But that AMRAAM had a sonic boom as it passed the camera, so it was over Mach 1.
Mach is per definition "at the relevant altitude", as it is the speed of sound, which varies with air density. So if the Kalibr can fly at Mach 0.78 and the AMRAAM can fly at Mach 4, then their relative difference will be the same at all altitudes (provided that they actually ARE at the same altitude - which roughly looked to be the case here).
And no, the AMRAAM does not need a boost to get to max speed. It spends the majority of it's flight time there. Mach 4 just happens to be the point where wind resistance and thrust output are in equilibrium. Any maneuvering will slow it down.
@@andersjjensen Speed of sound in air varies with temperature, not density. Lower altitude air is generally warmer which is probably how you got the incorrect impression that it varies with density.
The air down low is a lot denser (= higher drag) than it is at high altitude, and the AMRAAM's rocket motor produces the same thrust either way (actually it will produce slightly less thrust at low altitude, but the difference is probably not significant). So the missile will go slower and have a shorter range down low, probably topping out at about Mach 2.5. The AIM-120 has a lot of advanced features to make the best use of its engine, including 'lofting' where the missile flies up into the thinner air to minimize drag, then dives back down onto the target once it gets close enough. That helps (and is why the 160 kg AIM-120 fired from NASAMS has the same range as a 700 kg 9M38 missile fired by the SA-11/Buk system) but it can only do so much.
@@andersjjensenMach 4 at low altitude is considerable faster than at height and the air resistence is a lot higher than at high altitude. There is a detailed simulation published in the internet, which estimated the maximum speed of the AMRAAM at low altitude at Mach 3 and a range of ~20 km (if fired from a fighter at Mach 0,8)
@@andersjjensenaim120 is not reaching mach 4 if it’s ground launched without a boaster unless it’s aim120D even it probably doesn’t have a sustained booster that accelerates it to Mach 4
that looked quite a bit over mach 1. ive seen jets traveling right below supersonic and that seemed faster. but def not mach 3 haha
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2 missiles late for an arms convention
The ruSSian one will have to be excused. 😇
That AMRAAM was like 'hot snot'! I doubt that kalibr got away.
The AIM, was traveling well over mach as you can hear the sonic boom as it goes by.
It’s just April. The trees will only be starting to form leaves now. I’ve got quite a similar climate to Kyiv, and the leaves came out last weekend only.
More or less same in Stockholm only today everything bloomed
you can hear the sonic boom from the AIM-120, I'm sure it caught up
Bullshit
You can hear the sonic boom of the Ukrainian missile. There is none for the KH 101 so it would definitely catch up.
"american missile"
@@mtnbound2764 Could be Norwegian production too.
@@andersjjensennope amraams are 100% American , but the missile in the vid could literally be anything , could be irist , s300 , literally anything , the image is too unclear to call it an aim120
Depending on version, AIM-120 range can be as low as 50 km when air launched. Ground launched missiles bleed a lot of energy just to get to similar altitude and speed, so range is reduced. Being faster does not mean it did hit.
Very interisting vid with plenty of good, fascinating voiceover/ explanation !
TY !!!
AMAZING video. Thanx Sucho.
What the U.S. did to Ukraine by holding back support after promising to defend Ukraine in this very situation is terrible. How many intercepts were missed because of it and how many others died in cities and in the fields? In the aggregate, Europe has failed to hold their promised timelines too.
I’m really embarrassed to be American - and to think Trump will force Ukraine to lose by withdrawing all support is the worst feeling.
Bless Ukraine.
Trump has to be re-elected first to deny Ukraine further support. It is the duty of every American that actually believes in the Constitution and the laws of this land to prevent Trump, and his associates, from ever again being in a position to wield any kind of power in this country. He and they are a danger not only to this country, but to the world and democracies at large.
The West doesn't have bottomless pits of tax payers money! Our future generations need that for infrastructure for when they are older. The West (which includes you) didn't care about when Russian did it's thing in 2014, it could have been stopped then by the West but it wasn't. Russia holds Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk, they WILL continue to hold those regions if the West allows the war to continue. Russia WILL NOT give those back, they want that as a buffer zone from NATO. They have a bigger supply of meat to send to the front, Ukraine does not.
When does land become more important that life? Why are these regions that have been held by Russia since 2014 more important than Ukrainian life AND possibly lives of western countries (money diverted from future generation funding)?
Trump is a joke BUT he has a point. Give Putin two options, keep those regions and don't advance and the West will stop weapon aid (then Ukraine joins NATO) OR continue to attack and advance and the West fully commits with boots on the ground and scorched earth. How many more people have to die and live destroyed to take back land that was already taken in 2014????????
Take emotion and hatred out of it and look at it logically.
America is a horrible allie.
I don't think Trump will do that thought?
His faction would want that, but he has a history of doing what he wants anyway, so he'll probably first try to play peacemaker, fail, and then commit even more to Ukraine while branding it as 'HIS thing'.
@@Ami_BKyou seem to be ignoring the fact that the large bulk of US aid goes back into the US economy and not to Ukraine. The billions being provided as military aid is actually the US giving their older stocks and equipment to Ukraine with the monies being spent on producing new and replacement equipment in the US. How does this not help the US economy?
Also, bully boys like PooTin look on concessions as weakness then laugh in your face and keep doing what they're doing because no one is going to stop them. Read history on what happened with Hitler after Chamberlain tried appeasement with him.
Perhaps you should get more facts about what the situation is first?
The Ukraine missile seems faster than the Russian missile
And by faster we mean wayyyy faster.
@@lolololalala8225 Like the speed DIFFERENCE is about Mach 3.
Hardly a surprise... Cruise missiles are slower by default
"american missle" there fixed that for you
@@mtnbound2764 Semantics. Sure America made it, but it looks very like it was owned and fired by Ukraine. Otherwise WW3, right?
This does a good job of contextualizing the speed difference between these two missiles in particular as well as the general difference between cruise missiles and air-to-air missiles.
I suppose that this AMRAAM was launched from a NASAM?
Because I don't think that, aside from the F-16s, there is any launching platform capable of using AMRAAMs (without taking into account NASAM)
Theres a ground launching platform for aim 120s its slamraam
I think it can carry 4 aim 120 missiles launched from a hmmwv
The AIM you can hear from the boom that is supersonic, so it's much faster than the KH
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Thank you for the update
AIM- 120s travels at mach 4...
Kh-101 travels at Mach 0.6
Pretty sure that cruise missile never knew what hit it......
Yup. That's the classic case of "Wonder what went through its head the split second before its own ass did".
aim 120 can travel up to mach 5, but at altitude. this was not mach 4 in the video
Aim120 travel at mach 4 for like 5 seconds , I’m pretty sure it wasn’t even Mach 3 or 2.5 in the vid
@@lars9966 mach 5 is hypersonic so no im 120 is not a hypersonic at all..
@@nedkelly9688 ? what are you saying... hypersonic brainwash
Oh yeah, it caught up to it.
The missile was definitely going supersonic, you could hear the boom as it passed.
Damn that was fast!
Thanks, Suchomimus. Certainly never seen footage of missile on missile before.
The AIM-120 AMRAAM very rarely misses, especially a non-maneuvering target.
I did the math. The AIM-120 would've caught up with KH-101 approximately 4.64 seconds after passing the camera and almost certainly obliterated it if it did.
If that was an AIM-120 then pretty safe to assume the F-16s are operational in the area. Tally Ho!
Nope. Ukraine has AIM 120 ground launchers. So technically it's a SAM.
That boom was Al Dente!!!!
The aim120 definitely caught it as it has a range of 60 miles and goes five times faster
Could be NASAMS-launched. Then the top speed is somewhat reduced, but still a bit faster than a bat out of hell.
it has to be nasams or frankensam launched, none of the ukranian aircraft can shoot it
Mach 3.4 instead of Mach 4.
@@virginccyy7645 at close to sea lvl, possibly even slower, but still far faster than a kh 101
@@jukeseyable That's what we were all saying about the possibility of Storm Shadows, and before that, HAARM. In both cases, the Ukrainians told us "hold my Horilka" and successfully deployed them from their old soviet-made jets. In the HAARM case, likely in a reduced capability mode, but none the less... The AIM-120 does have firing modes that allows it to operate without guidance integration from a launch platform (but it would be a bit of a waste unless you've run out of other things, since you're basically sacrificing almost all things that make the 120 "better").
That said, I'm not convinced it's an AIM-120. I see no reason it couldn't be one of many other things, and the Ukrainians aren't lacking in experience of missile manufacture and have domestically produced equivalents.
The fact that the motor is burning in the shot means this was launched right there - we might even be seeing the launch but the video doesn't quite capture the launching platform. If I recall correctly, it's 6-8 seconds burn on the 120, but it's old memories. The sound certainly sounds like the _start_ of a rocket burn.
@@danielAgorander pls believe me when i say this, and rest assured what follows is not in any way an attack on you but your comment reveals your level of understanding that is what is involved here, I can assure you its essentially 0. So some questions for you to think about and come back to me with some answers, i dont know is a perfictly good answer. So firstly how are Storm Shadow, HARM and AMMRAM guided? With consideration of this what do each of those different missiles need from the launch aircraft 1 to enable a launch? 2 What do they need to be provided for guidence to the target. (a little heads up here. the russian cyrilic alphabet is totally different to the alphabet used in western counteries. Yes i apprieciate cmputers are all 1s and 0s, but think about it?
The footage coming out of this war never seizes to amaze and terror us
Super cool video!
A suggestion: if the footage is all portrait, perhaps just make your video portrait too. I’m no fan of vertical video but that will result in it being the same size in desktop, where you can’t rotate the screen, and about 4x larger on mobile, where you can
not hos footage
@@CyberBeep_kenshi didn’t say it was. He’s bouncing it through a video editor though, hence the opportunity to choose the orientation.
AIM 120: not on my watch, boy....
Yeah it caught up to it - the Kh-101 flies at mach 0.6-0.78 while the AIM-120 chonks along at mach 4.
AIM-120 I heard a distinct sonic boom. Frame count of the same sky scanned, someone can crunch some numbers & make an educated guess of how many seconds that 120 caught up to the 101 & how many km it was down range. Based off first branches to the roofline for the 101, the time between the appearance of the 120 & then the time travel from the same 1st branches to the roofline (in frame count).
AIM 120: I gib you a 10 sec head start
Rear aspect intercept generally means late detection especially regarding slow/low movers.
The AMRAAM seems to still be in the boosting phase.
The guy was very lucky to be able to film this shot ...
I wondered how they knew to point the camera back for the 2nd one, because they wouldn't hear the amraam coming. Maybe they saw them both in the sky before filming.
Lucky? They're living in a literal warzone.
Awesome videos you make so educational thank you
Are the Vipers are in Ukraine? Or is it NASAMS? They use the AMRAAM as a surface-to-air missile...
I thought the AMRAAM was going to have been fired from the ground, and have been in the air a couple seconds already.
Did we have confirmation of AMRAAM being grafted onto MiG-29s and Su-27s yet?
The AMRAAM was likely launched from NASAAMS. I suspect it’s an older AMRAAM-C rather than a D. The kh-101 does have counter measures.
@@williamzk9083 To me it looks more like it was launched from the air
@@totalNERD-eo7wx no. Why would say that? There is nothing that indicates this. Ukraine got NASAMS last year and will get a lot more now. Its a great GBAD system that can use old stock missiles of various types which can come from any country flying US planes and looks to replace the old stuff with newer models.
@@Ganiscol No, I was saying it looks like it was launched from the air, because the missile appears to be on burn in level flight, and if it were launched by a NASAMS it would almost certainly be gliding toward its target.
@@totalNERD-eo7wx I think it only appears to be on burn because we're just not used to the sight/sound of missiles in supersonic glide from a stationary position... _(that "puff" could be it dropping from 2.0 to 1.9 mach but otherwise I don't see any kind of exhaust trail to indicate it's still boosting)_ -- edit: I thought the apparent "acceleration" was just an illusion from the photography but now I'm not so sure...
Tks.
Cda.
Thanks. 😊😊😊
Less than 5 seconds till BOOM 💥
Without using the stats and just counting how long each missile took to cross the view and how long between them being visible. Ukraine missile crossed the screen 3+ seconds faster than the cruise missile; Ukraine missile crossed the distance well under two seconds; there was less than 7 seconds between each one disappearing. By these rough timings it will pesimistically take 2 x 2sec of Ukrainian missile travel to make up that approx 6sec head start.
Surprised the vid didn't record the sound of the interception boom.
No interception boom, because it missed.
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That whipcrack sound when the AIM missile passed was it going through the sound barrier..
Not necessarily. Anything flying faster than mach emits a continuous sonic boom.
It got it for sure.
Yes, based upon their approximate speed and time elapsed between the missiles, the amraam would have caught up with the cruise missile about 1.8 seconds after the camera filmed the amraam.
10 sec difference in their travel. Cruise was going prob around 0.7 mach and aim120 was more than likely going mach +- mach 1.8 so i'd guestimate maybe 10-14 seconds after the amraam past the camara to get the boom of the intercept
the engine on the missile is still burning so it's still getting up to speed
The AMRAAM is actually around 6.87 times faster than the Kh-101. The Kh-101 has a cruising speed of around 200 m/sec, while the AMRAAM is 11,372 m/sec.
That sonic boom was bad ass.
Mach 4 FTW.
Aim120 broke sound barrier
Yes, that was a sonic boom on the audio.
Thanks, Mate.
What I find interesting here is the massive feat of getting a supersonic AMRAAM on a phone camera. I used to live one valley over from the valley that subsonic A-6 intruders flew down for training. And even knowing about where they'd be, and being able to use sound as a warning of their approach it was not exactly easy to spot them with the mark-one eyeball. Back then we didn't have phone cameras but pointing a phone camera at a fast-moving target is a lot harder than just looking at it. And even at high subsonic speeds you have to hear the sound and then look ahead of where the sound seems to be coming from to find the aircraft, at supersonic speeds the missile would be well past before one heard it.
the AIM-120 was super sonic
Mega sonic. Ultra sonic. Are aim120 is white? Second missile white body.
The interceter was fast af
Extraordinary and rare video, perhaps the first of its kind.
those missiles are mind blowing: they even vanish and go invisible, even when you catch them with a smart phone cam ! wow
Yoiu can calculate the speed of each based on the sonic boom catching up with the camera. However thats beyond my abilities.
My question is, what was it? Ground launched or from a possible MiG 29 delivered aircraft or have one of the f 16s finally arrived?
This was at least a month or two ago if I remember correctly. Definitely not an F16, yet!
I had a little mental image of the AMRAAM with a shark tooth grin chasing the orc missile while wearing a DI Smokey Bear cover! 😂
I know exactly what you mean😂.
Replaying the video at quarter speed, and using the branches as a point of reference, I counted 12 seconds (0:25 and 0:37) between the two missiles. The max speed of the KH-101 was mentioned to be Mach 0.78, while the AIM-120's max speed is Mach 4. Using this, the KH-101's head start was .78 * 12 = 9.36. We can now solve for the time to intercept .78*t + 9.36 = 4*t. Subtracting .78*t from both sides yields 9.36 = 3.22*t dividing both sides by 3.22 we get t = 9.36/3.22 = 2.91 seconds to intercept.
NOTE1: The (non extended range) AIM-120 has a range of 30+ miles. Traveling at Mach 4, that implies it has a 'burn time' of ~35.2 seconds. So it can't be launched from too far behind.
NOTE 2: Since we're solving for time, there is no need to convert the Mach number into units of feet or meters per second, as it is merely a constant on both sides of the equation. The result will be the same regardless of the units chosen.
The motor burns for about 8s and the missile coasts the remaining distance to target.
Assume the Aim would only be fired if it’s a valid solution.
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Cruise missile : Sunday Driving
AMRAAM : Breaking sound barrier
Hearing the small shockwave as the amraam passed is really neat. Its really rare to hear stuff that small going supersonic.
AIM 120s are *AMERICAN* missiles, thank you very much.
It's not necessarily an AMRAAM.
Could also be an Iris-T SLM
As a Mission Crew Commander Air Battle Manager on AWACS I can assure you this is not an AMRAAM.
The AIM was breaking the sound barrier it definitely downed that cruise missile
AIM-120?
Is only F-16 or universal mount
NASAM
@@hjalmar4565 ok 👍
It should have caught up within about 3 seconds after appearing on screen assuming the ruz missile was at max speed and 10 seconds between them.
There is no reason to believe that the chase missile was an AMRAAM.
The trees are quite barren here in Ireland as well. Spring is late this year
Looks like spring with the buds on the trees.