MASSO CNC Controller Upgrade - Forme Industrious
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- čas přidán 27. 01. 2019
- I have had my 3Dtek Heavy Mill CNC for around a year I suppose, and in that year I have learned a few important things along the way. As the 3Dtek CNC is a kit, you can select things like the electronics package and spindle etc. I chose the cheapest option for the electronics being the GRBL All in One (AIO). This choice for me really didn't work out well in terms of dependability. On this machine the GRBL AIO struggled to provide the current and signals to the Stepper Motors and as a result, wrecked many jobs and I spent a heap of time trying to work through what went wrong. The GRBL AIO is just underpowered for my machine and work demands. Another factor is that the GRBL AIO struggled in the hot weather and I just could not depend on the CNC. This CNC machine needed a much more powerful and dependable Controller coupled with more powerful Micro-step Drivers to make it useful again. I had talks with Ben from 3Dtek.xyz and Jatinder from MASSO CNC Controllers. Jatinder and Ben worked out the type of work I wanted to do and came up with the system that I installed on this machine. Installing the MASSO was pretty straight forward as MASSO has excellent installation documentation and very helpful videos. When I had questions I either got the answer from the MASSO forum, or I made a call to MASSO and got the answer straight away. I make the point in the video that support is critical for any small business or DIYer and I cannot praise both MASSO and 3Dtek enough for the support and quality of product. Ok here is what I did in brief;
Removed the GRBL AIO, AXIS Limit switches, 24 Volt Power Supply.
Removed the Connector Plugs to the Stepper Motors and created a solid joint (Soldered) to eliminate any chance for a loose connection.
Installed the MASSO CNC Controller, 48 Volt power supply for the Microstep Drivers. Installed Qty 5 DM 542 Microstep Drivers (One extra for later) a 12 Volt to 5 Volt power supply and Homing Sensors, two for the from of the Y Axis, One for the Z (Top) and one for the X on the LHS. These are critical for homing and setting up soft travel limits.
The MASSO CNC Controller, 5 Volt Homing Sensors step down and Electronics Enclosure Fan are powered from the 12 Volt Power Supply. Microstep Drivers are powered from the 48 Volt Power Supply.
In the video I showed I had some trouble with the Z Axis acceleration being set too high. Once I adjusted this everything went perfectly. I hope this video and information is of help.
Thanks for watching - Regards Scott Turner - Forme Industrious
Links to:
MASSO - masso.com.au
3Dtek.xyz - 3dtek.xyz
CNC Bits - Adams Bits - endmill.com.au - Jak na to + styl
I liked your boot lace ferrule crimper so much I bought one of my own.
Thanks for sharing Scott.
Excellent! They are pretty darn good for the $. Thanks Marcel!
Masso rocks on every level ,making cnc easy and accessible ...love your design asthetic and build quality hanks for the inspiration..
Thank you Mark! The MASSO and the much bigger drivers solved all the frustration I was having with electronics. The support I received as well was top notch.
Bootlace terminals are a must. I had to do the same for my CNC plasma table. Good stuff mate!!! I am also thinking of helping a friend upgrade his controller from a Chinese standard controller to a Masso on his Steel Tailor plasma.
That boot lace kit with the crimper only cost about $30 so I was pretty happy for sure. Well the upgrade will pay for itself quickly in my case in saved time and materials. Really I had no idea what I needed when I got the CNC, but I do now :)
Good on you for taking the time to post this. Really helpful info. Cheers
My pleasure Kerstin!
Nice one Scott. Just been looking at these for my DIY plasma table. Thank you for the information. Cheers J
No worries!
Your videos are very relaxing to watch. Thanks.
Awesome! Nice to hear, thanks!
Yip, your at another level...
Bed time, you've got work tomorrow.......ahhhhhh just one more episode, pleeeease
Work pfffft :)
Despite it being over my head, I still enjoyed the clip. 👍 🇬🇧
:) cheers Ben.
Looking forward to seeing what comes out of it 👍👍👍👍
Me too Gib, thanks as always!
Good work, inspiring for me...maybe i can do this.Thanks Scott
Yes it is not to hard with good support. Cheers Dino!
Nice one mate. I have been thinking of the masso upgrade too. It looks like a big improvement
Cheers Barry. To be honest, I had no idea about what I needed when I bought the machine and opted for the GRBL. However I did say that if it wasn't up to it I would upgrade, and I did of course, but not without going through all the issues which as you know costs heaps of time. Talk with Jatinder at MASSO. There is nothing he doesn't know about CNC tech.
Nice and clean install. Nice video. Thanks for sharing! : )
My pleasure - thanks again!
Great video Scott amazing technology
Thanks Ty - yes I agree, I'm amazed by it.
Hey Scott, I am not at all CNC savvy, SO you might as well have been speaking Outer Mongolian for all I knew, LOL..... I will get there one day, just not sure which lifetime it will be in... Great Video Scott, Thank you for your valuable time and sharing, much appreciated. You take care with those crocodiles. All the best my friend from North London UK. 👍
Hey Trev. Well it's funny with the videos. If I put CNC on the video title, the viewer count will drop so I figure only CNC heads will watch. Now when it comes time for CNC for yourself, and you start like I did knowing "nuff'n", tips can save a lot of frustration :) Yep Crocs are getting about with all the floods. Filthy darn great snapping lizards. I haven't seen any in my shed so far.
Well done mate, good work
Much appreciated Dave - cheers!
what an awesome machine great set up. love it
Thank you Steven. Yes it's pretty special!
G’day Scott, a fine looking machinery that leaves the possibilities endless mate & looks like it does intricate work, why don’t you put an aircon in the workshop, 47 would kill me 😱🙃🙃🙃👍👍👍
G'day Dirk, yes now that this bugger is working properly I can be much more confident about putting some nice timber under it. 47 was no good for me either, I got out of there pretty quick. Maybe aircon in the future will be doable, after insulation maybe. Cheers!
Great video. It may have already been mentioned, solder shrinks under compression. So you never use a screw terminal where the multi strand conductor is soldered. Ok if it is a rat trap type terminal with positive pressure on the conductor.
Thank you and I appreciate the advice.
Great video. Thank you.
I did get something out of it Scott. Jealousy! I want to get a CNC for work so bad and the only ones 'approved' for the dept of ed are upwards of $25k.
Enjoy the improvements mate.
:) Really don't need to spend that much in my opinion. It's teaching the concept and exposing the students to the technology that is important I believe. This set up is around 6K and would be perfect for the school workshop. A very capable machine. All the best!
Nice upgrade on the Masso, its hot where I am as well, so I am convinced it is the right controller for my needs, nice pick up on the acceleration bug there, I think that was the cause of one of my many learnings :). I have made some 50 odd carvings , 400mm x 600mm so far in 50mm slabs, am asweome hobbie
I have no regrets going to the MASSO, again the support is excellent and the controller has be faultless to date. Cheers.
Happy super work and the great
Thank you! I'm very happy with the set up now - cheers!
super work sir
Very kind - thank you!
I hope your shed hasn't flooded in all the rain u guys have had up there
Thanks Chris, No the shed is dry apart from a few roof screws letting in the odd drip. Very grateful for being spared. Many have not been so lucky. Thanks for checking up!
very informative !!!!! s'pose i should have watched this first.
Hey Guy, Hope it helps. It's made me smile again. Thank you.
thx for sharing.. nice content🍀👍
My pleasure Lukas, always great to see you here :)
Great video mate, I am currently building my own cnc Router/Plasma table. Looking for a good controller for it.
I know this is an old video but, I Just wanted to say GRBL boards are fine for smaller hobbyist machines, but really only Nema 17 motors.. Nema 23/24/32 etc. should use a separate driver like you showed.
I my self have chosen the route of Closed loop stepper motors (stepper motor with built in Encoder to help catch missed steps)and drivers. Now I just need to find a controller and your short video has me interested in the Masso.
Thanks Jamie, I'm still very happy with the Masso and glad I changed up my system. Maybe another upgrade would be to put in closed loop steppers.
It occured to me that a PC gaming case with built in cooling might solve any overheating issues. If you could find one big enough to accomodate all the components.
Scott turner just uploaded a video! Happy break for lunch then!
Haha, lunch first, enjoy! Oh and thanks for the comment Daniel.
I'm in the market for a new controller, and that is why I am considering Masso. They have so much available detail and support.
Try trouble shooting Chinese products from Ebay.
Good to see another aussie.
Thanks Alex. Yes support is critical and MASSO has heaps of help and info in that regard.
Thank you i enjoyed that vid,just setting things up myself so like to see how others have gone before me and how the fixed the gremlins. The cable chain on your Y axis appears to cross over rather than run alongside the chassis,is there a reason for this or eyesight really bad today lol.
Thanks Mark. The Y Axis cable chain is attached along the Left of the machine looking at it. Along side the chassis. Bad eyes I think. Unless I'm not getting what you are saying.
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Nice work again. It looks like the CNC table is also DIY, right? I will highly appreciate if we can get our hands of some drawings/material specifications.
Thank you, yes the table is DIY. Pretty straight forward, made from 50 x 50 mm box (2mm wall) with horizontal braces. It also needs some diagonal braces as it moves a little when the cnc is doing rapids.
Hello,nice components you have there,especially masso,but you should use more advanced stepper drives instead that cheap ones👍👍
Thank you Dejan, might be an upgrade one day.
Thanks
Hi Scott.
Thanks for posting your video.
I have the same machine from 3dtek, it is running a geko g540 stepper driver and a arduino board.
I am thinking of upgrading to the same setup as you, would you still recommend going this direction?
Where did you purchase your stepper drivers from?
I use v carve for my design and export GRBL g code, do you know if the masso would run this?
Thanks in advance for you help.
Ben
Hey Ben. I am very happy with the set up I have now. It's very dependable (the MASSO) but if your set up is working fine you have to ask yourself why change. A big advantage with the MASSO is you don't have to run the cnc on a computer. I transfer the g code file to the MASSO through wi fi and it's done. I also use V Carve and you can use the MASSO post processor. MASSO sent the Drivers to me, but you can by them from Ebay. I can help you with that if you change over. If you want to know more I'm happy to help were I can.
Hey Scott hope all is well in the down under, can you make a video for people that are just getting started or would like to learn how to use a cnc?
I have been thinking about buying one but I am hesitant about it just because I wouldn't know how to use the bugga.
Thank you for all your vids buy the way.
Maybe on the cards. They can be a bugger when you first start out. I see if I can come up with something interesting. Thank you!
Does anyone know the make and model number of the terminal crisper he was using?
Hi, @Scott Turner, I appreciate your videos it's a great resource for everyone thinking about making the plunge into CNC.
I've been eyeing off the heavy mill for a while now and was wondering what your thoughts are a year on? anything you would do differently with your build if you were to do it again?
Thanks :)
Thanks Ruben! Well, sure. When I started I had the GRBL all in one and had a lot of trouble. Cost me many hours and lots of stuff ups so it is essential to have reliable drivers with enough power. I'm really enjoying the MASSO's reliability with the beefy drivers. Good Homing sensors are important too, I started with the standard Micro Switches which are not as good. This is my first CNC and I'm really happy with it now that it is reliable with good electronics. Ben from 3Dtek is outstanding for support. I thinks they are steering away from the GRBL AIO now. Jatinder from MASSO likewise is fantastic. You have to remember the machine is not plug and play, so there is a lot of set up, learning and calibration that you need to do and I guess that is reflected in the price. It's a large and very capable machine.
@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious Hi Scott I really appreciate the reply :) Keep up the great work And keep posting those videos!
sorry, one specific question. how do you rate the drive belts on the machine?
other builds have drive screws instead wondering if this is something of a weak point in the design.
@@rubengray3541 Well I haven't experienced anything else but from what I can tell the belts are fine. I haven't given them a second thought really so I guess they do their job well.
Awesome! thanks again :D
I'll take. It's 30 degrees F here. 👍🏻
30 F Yuk - I'm staying :)
Great video thank you for the introduction to the Masso CNC Controller. Now that you have used this controller for a year I was wondering how the Controller has performed for you this last year. The other question is what type of software are you using. Again thank you for a great video. God Bless and have a great day.
The MASSO was a great upgrade for my system. It has given me zero problems to date and reliability is huge for any machining. Software; Vetric V Carve Pro. Thank you for your comment. May God bless you also.
What brand power supply are you using.
No idea about CNC's but still watched! I think I like your stuff Scott. Ha. 47 degrees in the shop?!?! I hope that's not while you're working in there. WOW! Just a quick question for you. I am building a vanity for the bathroom (for my wife). It has to be custom due to the space in the narrow bathroom so I am making it 72" long x 30" tall x only 16" deep. I want to make it in the new semi-industrial style with steel frame and oak for the doors and drawers, etc. I was going to use 2" x 2" for the framework but it seems maybe a little heavy looking. I know that's all a little vague but I am wondering what you would suggest if you were to make such a thing? Cheers from Canada!
Thanks for watching all the same! Yes it gets hot in there and extra hot every now and then. On those days I do something else. too dangerous. If you think the frame looks a little heavy, maybe reduce the size just a little. Not sure if you have a sketch program, maybe draw it out with a couple of different options. I usually go with my gut feel too. Cheers!
Wayward Woodworker check out Pinterest, I have found it good for getting ideas and scale. A picture tells a thousand words.... But if you get it wrong your wife will say a lot more 😜
To me the relation of incoming wire gauge to fan size of the switch box seems a little bit off. I would add a second or third fan to the casing.
Yes I might yet. I have only one. It would be super easy to add a second if I need it.
Thanks for the video. I think some insulation and an AC unit might have been a cheaper solution. Ha!
how you doing mate?just seen the news in Scotland,you having a wee bit of rain I see.crocs walking down the high street.jeez
Oh thank you, I'm fine. House and shed wasn't flooded thankfully. Yes have to look out for those darn crocs. Filthy great snapping lizards! Huge amount of rain for two weeks almost.
Excelente
Thank you Isaac!
Hey Scott can you please tell me where you got your homing sensors from? I looked at the ones by Masso and theirs were 9-24volts so I wondered whether yours were another brand? Any information you can give me on the type, placement and wiring of them, would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you, Peter
Hi Peter, the homing sensors on my machine were organised and supplied by MASSO. I think they are 5 volt. If you send me an email sturner2022@gmail.com I will send a picture of the electronics.
Nice setup but why wouldn't you just upgrade the stepper drivers on your grbl setup?
I took some expert advice. I had a bad experience with the GRBL on my existing setup and made up my mind to go with the MASSO and what ever else would give me rock solid reliability. I'm very happy with my choice.
Liked/Subscribed/Notified. Great video, Scott. Its been over a year - how is your opinion of the Masso now? I am running Mach3 on WinXP computers still (yah - I know)
Many thanks Joe! The MASSO has been working great for my needs. It turn it on and it works faultlessly and that is what I need. I think they have a newer version now with improvements. I'm not looking to upgrade but I think the new version has some worthwhile improvements over my version.
Hi Scott,
Did you purchase the bits required for your upgrade from Ben at 3dtek? I wasn’t sure if he was still selling the machines as each time I checked, it said ‘out of stock’, for the heavy mill that is. I think there were plans a while ago to upgrade the design, so that you could easily upgrade to a ballscrew on the other two axes, so maybe that’s been a hold up. Not too sure whether I’d be worried about that though. I think I remember you saying you were happy enough with the belt drive. I was going to get the Masso option so I’m glad you’ve done this video as it seems well worthwhile. I’m looking forward to when they are available again.
Cheers, Peter
Well I was talking with Ben at 3Dtek about my issues with the heat up here in Townsville affecting my electronics. He recommended the upgrade to the MASSO. Ben and Jatinder from MASSO got together to work out all the bits I needed to get my machine up to scratch. The MASSO was supplied directly from MASSO. Both 3dtek and MASSO provided excellent install advice along the way so it was my hope that this video highlighted that. Really important to newbies like myself. Yes Ben was talking about the ball screws as a Retro fit option as well as inclusive to the kit. I like the idea of ball screws, but they will significantly slow down the rapids. The belts are simple and strong. They seem to give the accuracy I need, but if you are doing jobs requiring smaller/ micro tolerances maybe the screws will be the go. Cheers Peter and all the best.
Thanks for your reply Scott.
Seems like the after sale service is excellent which is good to know. Your upgrade certainly quietened down the axial movements.
I'm not too far off making a separate room in one corner of the shed to somewhat soundproof it. Reduce the noise at least, not for me but for the neighbours.
Hi Scott, I'm thinking of upgrading my CNC Mill, now that you have had a bit of time with the MASSO what do you think of it?
I'm very happy with my Masso set up. If I were to build another machine I would I would get another MASSO for sure. Very useable and reliable.
excellent cnc
It is a cool machine. Thanks!
I think I've watched every one of your videos, is there one of the swivel chair build?
Yep - czcams.com/video/zRYiMRnYaJU/video.html
Thanks very much. So I better make that "thought I'd watched every one of your videos". So you use a $2,000+ chair as a work bench????
:) sometimes.
So, 47° C = 117° F here . . I can't imagine doing such intense work in an enclosed space at such an elevated temp. You filmed this during (your) summer, right? (Spring is just now beginning here in Ohio.) Funny to hear the background sounds of nature in this vid (warbling birds and barking dog) that typically get drowned out by the sounds of your equipment. This video was a great "voice of the customer" testimony for Masso, and I hope their Tech Support team saw it! Cheers, Scott!
Thanks for dropping by Judy! We had a week or so with ridiculous high Temps and to be honest, I don't do a lot when it's that hot. Just not safe. We have a lot of birds around our house, it's nice. Yes Masso appreciated the video. It wasn't sponsored, I'm paying for all the equipment and I'm genuinely over the moon that the machine is working properly now. Oh, by the way, I'm back in the Shed full time come April 12 (The desk job didn't work for me so I gave notice). All the best.
@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious Stay true to what your gut tells you!
One can only try. Thanks Judy!
Hi I'm doing a conversion of a large milling machine to cnc and trying to decide which controller to use , after a year and a half , are you still happy with the Masso?
Yes very happy with the MASSO. I believe they have made an upgraded version since I got mine. Should be better and faster. If I had to I'd get another no problems.
Awesome video mate. how's the Masso been running in the hot weather?
Thank Daniel! Winter here at the moment. The Masso and drivers have been a huge improvement over the GRBL AIO I originally installed. Has been working great so far but I really do meed to utilise the CNC more and get it paying for it self.
Scott did you wire driver boards between the motors and the masso controller? Can you run the motors straight to the masso without the driver boards?
I have Stepper Drivers in between. Must have them.
@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious Scott I figured you did wire them in. Everyone who has posted a video has never showed them wiring in the driver's. Are you still liking the Masso controller? I'm thinking of getting one.
Hi Scott, i am thinking of using the masso on a sieg mill cnc upgrade, are you happy with it
Yes very happy with the MASSO. It's easy to set up and reliable. Just talk with Jatinder or one of his team from MASSO to discuss what you might need, though you may already have everything, i.e stepper motor drivers, homing sensors etc.
Where did you get the Electronics box from?
Part of the CNC kit from 3Dtek.xyz
A very nice video and I would like a lot thank you very much I am from Yemen and supported you more
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47C inside the shed. that's crazy hot. what would be the outside temperature.
My shed gets around 5 to 6 degrees hotter than out side.Itry and get airflowbutI really need to insulate the roof. Gets pretty uncomfortable at times.
Nice video, great to see the 3Dtech xyz Heavy Mill CNC in action. I bought a Shapoko 2 a couple of years back from 3Dtech xyz, the team are great to deal with and my machine has been great value (would love a bigger one :) ). On those loose connections, it's not good practice to use solder on screw terminals, it's probably why they were loose (see reprap.org/wiki/Wire_termination_for_screw_terminals and www.weidmuller.com/bausteine.net/f/7862/Weidmuller_Ferrules_White_Paper.pdf?fd=3). I'm not sure if leaving the solder on the wire is a good or bad thing when using a bootlace crimp, I'm guessing it's not best practice because that's not how they are designed and tested, maybe someone else knows for sure.
Thanks Paul! I chopped off all the solder on the wires leaving them bare, except a tiny amount left over on one in the video. Yes the heavy mill is finally working as it should with some decent Stepper Drivers and the MASSO. I'm excited about using it again. I was a bit down in the dumps about it when it was giving me trouble. 3Dtek xyz have provided outstanding support. Thanks.
If you are missing steps why didn't you just replace your steppers with closed loop steppers? You can do that for about $56.00 US per axis.
The problem was multi layered. The Steppers were okay. The drivers on the GBRL AIO were way underpowered for my set up and also the AIO was susceptible to interference. Spent a lot of time trying to tune and fix the issues. The MASSO and new drivers have fixed all the problems thankfully.
let me guess. next you will upgrade your steppers with servos?
I only needed to upgrade the parts that gave me trouble. Everything is working great right now. No other upgrades planned.
I don't understand why was it noisier?
With the GRBL the Steppers made a hissing noise constantly. With the Masso and seperate Drivers the machine is quiet. I think it has something to do with the signal it gets.
Why not closed loop steppers?
My steppers were all part of my original kit.
What brand Of CNC is this master Scott
that is a 3DTEK.xyz heavy mill. Australian Company.
can you router Aluminium on one of them
Yes and I have used it on steel as well, albeit slow.
Do you have a rotary 4th axis or plan to get one?
No not yet. No plans this stage.
@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious is there a way to wire pause and play buttons to the masso controller?
man.... you'r awesome I'm really appreciate this video (Y) (Y)
Many thank!
@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious keep going .. and I hope you make a video about multi_head cnc router as it seems that almost nobody had made it before (diy I mean)
would you please publish Wiring schematic for MASSO controller with DM542 DRIVER ,please????
I will try and do that, but it will be on the MASSO Forum. If you are having trouble you can Email me.
@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious I'll be appreciated if you sent me the link to it ,best regards
@@raifhanna1120
Did you get this link?
masso.com.au/masso-documentation/?section=longs-motors
How's MASSO controller doing after one year of chips?
I love it. Simple and dependable. Works for me. I think they have new versions that load files much quicker but I'm happy.
@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious Thank you for your answer. I'm testing my G2 version on dry milling these days too,and seems to be working too. Needs a few rotary axis settings and begin real testing .
Doesn't mention support of vfd spindles
It does do VFD spindles. I just didn't set it up.
🙋👍👍👍
Thanks John!
13 thumbs down? Must be jealous they did not go with a Masso!
Thank you Segoman. I think so.
What software you use?
Vetric V Carve Pro and the MASSO uses it's own software
@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious do you have to have both software's? One for design and masso for controls? Sorry I am new to this and looking to get me a set up.
For the MASSO, you do not require anything on you PC. In fact the MASSO can work without being connected to a PC. It has it's own chip for software. You just have to transfer the G code either via USB stick or Wi-Fi. For the CAD (Design of the project and cut paths) you need a PC with a program that can design and create G Code. It use Vetric. You can use many other design programs, like Fusion 360.
@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious thanks for the info. Look forward to more videos.
@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious what size you the working area of your machine?
Missed first 2 mins as I was fixated by "Craft Beer" container... I thought you antipodeans only drank that fizzy rice-juice? :-P
Hey Paul, beer all the way :) those evaporated pretty fast somehow - cheers!
For your problem, those with lost steps. Use closed loop stepper motor and driver. Do not miss steps with this HBS860H. czcams.com/video/SoRdEAm1auk/video.html . I'm sorry for my english. And I intend to build a CNC but at the moment I do not have enough money.
Thank you for the link to those Stepper Motors and Drivers. I'll look into those. All the best!
_47 degrees Celsius?????_ I may be a simple mathematically-challenged American unused to more refined systems of measurement, but that's almost halfway to boiling. That's insane. You could probably do all your welding with any magnifying glass of decent size and quality. If you leveled the floor with asphalt patches, they'd soften into tar pits and start trapping small animals. I'd say you could fry an egg in there, but you'd be liable to burn it to a cinder instead. I hope you told Masso their controller is being installed inside an oven. How are you alive? Did Australians rapidly evolve to resist the heat, like that one episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where all the colonists are immune to the planet's deadly radiation? Do you cool the shop with the exhaust from a blast furnace? Does that soldering iron form condensation as you use it?
I'm sorry, I'll stop now. That controller and the setup looks like some serious kit, and I like that you organize it in that box. It'd be a real problem if you had those sitting out in the open, picking up dust. Especially metal dust... yikes.
Pretty funny :) Well my shed seems to be a heat sink. During the week it was 33 d c in the shade and 39 in my shed. I need some insulation for the roof, and. a roof vent, and an air conditioner. In saying that though, that tar pit might be a good idea to get my shed rat.
Lol... "zed".
Australia does Zed not Zee, but you know Tomato, Tomato
@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious I realize the entire country speaks that way, but that doesn't make it any less stupid...
Ever wonder why they only bastardize the pronouncement of "Z"? Why not the entire alphabet?
masso is over priced garbage.