Engineering an Automatic CNC Dust-Shoe
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2024
- I'm not happy with the dust-shoe that came with my CNC router. So I engineered a much better one. Maybe I went a bit too far because I made it fully automatic and implemented many useful features. The whole thing is a huge project and by no means straightforward. In this video, I take you through the whole process and show every step I went through for tackling this project. In hindsight, I also think about this as an engineering project on easy mode. The reasons for that I explain in the video. I hope you enjoy
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*Conical Spiral Upcut ballnose bits: www.fraisertools.com/en/zeta-...
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*Bit set: www.fraisertools.com/en/boss-...
Content:
0:00 Introduction
1:10 Why?
5:48 Design
7:43 Manufacturing
9:08 Assembly
23:05 Making the Brush
27:48 Electronics
32:16 First Movement
32:45 Setup and Clearance
34:40 Air Nozzle
36:27 Testing
38:37 Conclusion
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Enjoy the video! - Jak na to + styl
Level of precision and complexity of this project: G E R M A N
Russians would probably just tape a leafblower to the side. :)
@@Marcuslobenstein a diesel leafblower
Rofl
@@Marcuslobenstein lmao
@@Marcuslobenstein Americans would by the DEWALt Turbo Dustsucker 5564D4 with integrated Bluetooth App
Excellent work and also the points at the end (40 minutes flew by) where you mention the practicality of the improvement with regard to cost. So many will see something like this and say the manufacturer should have it built in, but then probably wouldn't be willing to pay the extra cost for the upgrade even if it was done in the most cost effective way.
Thanks John!
John - the sad thing is that the manufacturer will probably steal it and integrate it into the design - without doing the right thing and purchasing the design from Marius. I remember Craftsman stealing the Bionic Wrench, or Black and Decker stealing the Workmate Workbench literally 10 minutes after the inventor pitched the idea to them (I happen to know the inventor.) It's total BS.
@@TheSpud1129 No, the truly sad thing is that you and so many other people think that way. Manufacturers don't need to "steal" ideas like this, despite the two examples (out of billions) you hold up to prove the rule.
@@JohnHeisz well some Manufactures certainly are not above idea theft, it is kind of the spirit of engineering. Taking ideas you see from something and using them in a different way that suits the requirements of a given project. Maybe its like music, everything has already been written or invented we just mix it up and call it new. Either way this video as you said flew by. I would think this would lead to more job offers then people who want to steal his ideas.
@@JohnHeisz John - not saying that they all do steal ideas, but - the sad thing is that some do. I'd hate to be the Inventor of the Bionic Wrench, go to a sales pitch meeting (totally legit) with Craftsman to pitch the idea, be told that it isn't practical - and then have them reproduce it INSTANTLY after I left. I'd like to imagine that he's doing ok for himself - but to have unlimited funds and the speed to mass-produce very quickly - with zero repercussions or fear of getting sued - would be a major kick in the balls.
I've been in the industry now for 27 going on 28 years, and there was a time in my life where I was directed to "modify" someones idea that was pitched to my employer. Naturally, I refused...and they gave the project to someone else to complete. It happens a lot more than you could imagine.
Being an engineer, designer, woodworker, hobbyist, I do take pride in engineering and designing components and ideas from scratch, and I take great pride in the fact that I can appreciate you and so many others on YT for your original and practical content. I've purchased quite a few plans from you (you along with Izzy, Marius, Frank and Matthias are my top 5.) Thanks for commenting and having dialogue. That's what makes it a better community and space to engage.
Wow! 'The drag chain was not big enough so I printed my own - and improved the design...' ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! How did you develop such an amazing brain for things like this? I personally can think outside the box - but you think outside the suburb! Absolutely amazing. Inspiring me to add another dimension to my projects. An honour to watch your brain at work Marius. Heck, you even have legends like John Heisz commenting and watching.
I was a design cost engineer, a designer’s worst nightmare, a devil’s advocate. Every engineer will design a ‘Rolls Royce’, but to make a product saleable the costs must be kept down. That said you are a magnificent engineer and FELDER should be paying you a consultant’s retainer fee. Best regards.
The design cost argument is winnable here because it is an objectively better product, which is absolutely in line with e.g. Felder and Festool business models. Factor in the liability angle where any dust is increasingly seen as a health problem plus potential for containment of milling bits breaking off and you have a good case in the real world, beyond the enclave of cost accounting.
There will need to be rules for not using it on heads with any additional pitch or roll axis, but that will need a multi-axis dust shoe too.
Ron - being an engineer and designer for the last 28 years, I don't view you as "our worst nightmare" You're the voice of reason that keeps us on the straight and narrow. I'd like to think of our jobs as two fingers in a glove, without eachother, there would be massive problems.
I much prefer that he (as well as the other people like him youtube producing great stuff) isn't on the payroll of any company related to the content of his videos, though obviously not because I don't wish Marius all the success in the world.
I mean, I don't think he's directly on their payroll, but they do give him tools from time to time. I think this CNC is one of them.
I don't know whether You agree, but I as an engineer out in the field for three decades plus change (mostly boat building and tunnel industry machinery), I wish every cost controller and original designer had to do repair work out in the field on rainy/snowy December days shortly before sunset with "cost controlled" tooling on "cost controlled" machinery and a buncha cost controllers the customer chased on his heels *_before_* they were allowed to design even a single screwed connection ......
Just because of that ending, I would have subscribed. But I can't. I already am.
Same here 😁
This is just magnificent engineering, I hope the company that makes this CNC watches this
As an engineer who has long been out of school, I know projects like this are important for the journey, not the destination. Well done!
Awesome design. I really like the highly integrated motor mount. You should find a friend with a plasma cutter or water jet so you can avoid the lathe shenanigans to make that metal ring (though I probably would have done the same thing as you ;)
Thanks man! A plasma cutter would've definitely saved a couple hours. Time to convert my old CNC into one
@@MariusHornberger I can't wait to see the design. You are so talented...
especially in the CAD department.
Felder should purchase the rights to your boot and adapt it to their 2.2kw spindle version.
I was wondering, why you didn't use the CNC for the ring. Should be capable of getting through the thin metal
@@nicholaslaines2702 how so? Serious question
@@MariusHornberger Problem: The Dust-Shoe is a bad bad boy and useless.
Solution: Introduce more complexity, more tech and moving parts around this part!!! SCOTTY, I need this in 12 hours. Scotty: Captain, I will do it in 6! :))
Sorry for that joke(?) and the following, because that is a really great project and the implementation ist a Bobby Dazzler, @Marius!;)
Another engineering practice (better eng-fu), most people don't know or think about is: Something doesn't work? Let's redesign it completely, or even better: Let's get RID OF IT! Researching about airflow or talking to an expert about this problem would have lead to another solution. A suction nozzle that optimally directs the airflow around the work area without any fold or mechanical overhang. Especially with the performance offered by a full-fledged industrial dust collector, this would have been a real alternative.
"Luftstromhygiene" ist ja kein Hexenwerk ... also wenn man z.B. den französischen Ingenieuren von Mobylette glaubt, die uns schon seit grauer Vorzeit absolut unverständliche Ansaugstutzenformen für ihre Mofas um die Ohren hauen:)
I'm just a spoilsport... sorry for that, Marius. Forgive me!:)
I love how Rube Goldberg you went with making that metal ring. I was expecting you to just tape it down to a board (or screw it down through the middle and leave a couple of tabs) and CNC it.
OMFG Marius! That"s no longer, just a piece of machinery, but a true WORK OF ART!
I agree. That was an easy engineering project. You should have seen me when i was glueing up my vegetable peeler's handle.
58 seconds in and this is already awesome!
You stole my line...ha!
This was great! Well explained and extremely well thought out!
Thanks man!
Great work
Incredible! One of the most impressive things I've ever seen! You should be building starships or time machines or something. Dang!
this is looking to flawlessly integrated in the machine that it looks like an addition of the manufacturer.
The smooth curves of your printed parts are absolutely beautiful. Your mechanical design is truly impressive!
Thanks! I just hate sharp edges on 3D prints and the fillet tool is so simple to use
Voided your warranty with additions the manufacturer should incorporate into their product with a per-machine licensing fee. You've saved Hammer significant design time and offered a them a premium upgrade for their future sales. This is an excellent design with fab work. Also your video content is well written, has quality audio, well edited and presented. Could not have been better. Thank you from Colorado.
In this episode, Marius singlehandedly while thoroughly shows "en passant" what the world is talking about when "german overengineering" comes up in any conversation whatsoever worldwide .....
For me as a German and an engineer, that basically is the essence of my professional core: You tweak it when it does not *_exactly_* what You intend it to do in the beginning/after purchase; You tweak it more to make sure it does *_everything_* You might need it doing whenever, where ever, in whatever circumstances You can imagine, and then You tweak it still a little more to make sure it does all that plus two more things Your neighbour/spouse/mechanic/kids contributed ........
I am loving it.
Thanks for being a real true German (capital G) engineer, Marius, and thanks for sharing!
Also Deine Fähigkeiten - auch wenn man Deine Familie mit bedenkt - echt grandios - Beneidenswert. Ich würde gerne nur einen Teil Deiner Fähigkeiten haben!
Und Du machst auch die Beschreibung Deiner Projekte wirklich sehr sehr gut!!
I am no engineer but I learned so much useful information from this project, and the length was perfect, without a wasted word. Bravo!
Wirklich beeindruckend! Genau wegen solchen Projekten gibt es keinen CZcamsr, auf dessen Videos ich mich so sehr freue!
Auf jeden Fall. Immer wieder eine große Freude
I do industrial maintenance and worked a plastics manufacturer for several years. We had a bunch of 4 spindle routers and even they didn't have smart vacuum like this. Just "short" or "tall" settings and they got trashed ALL THE TIME.
Your setup is very smart and you could probably license it to router companies like Northwoods, Komo, etc.
You tried to cover all the issues with this design. Great job sir. I wish I had your intelligence. You work this out to perfection.
Utterly brilliant. I totally get the part about the big part of it being the process not just the result. :)
@ 26:46 that hose was like ''you aint putting any woodscrews near me!! baang '' ... Great job and video
You are a very clever lad, you make me feel inadequate ha ha. Keep up the good work.
Matthias Wandel introduced me to your channel and with videos like this I can see why he's such a fan. Amazing engineering, such a pleasure to see it come together. I am enjoying the long format but I wonder if you might get more attention with things like this in 3 part series. Anyway, can't wait to see what you come up with next!
the breaks between the episodes would have killed me - if this was long, I didn't notice
Thanks for the video.
It helped me in my Wintergatan deprivation.
Martin also posted his video
Congrats. You are the first CZcamsr to ever mount a limit switch correctly! :-)
Well Impressed! Over & above the call of duty! I'm glad that you spoiled yourself! You can now look forward to using this CNC machine with pleasure & enjoy it every time! Well Done!
Unbelievable amount of work and thought that went into the design. I could not believe that you even thought to make a recess for the hose wire, that is just brilliant in it's simplicity. The brain of an engineer for sure.
Marius, this was outstanding!! I have no idea what you do for a living but it should be designing. Your projects are always so well thought out. Also, I like that you show the problems that occur and then the multiple solutions that you try (very realistic). I'm looking forward to your next project.
If the OEM of that machine doesn't recruit you immediately, they are crazy. VERY well done!!!
For a guy who started out on CZcams with great fit and finish to his projects and videos, you keep getting better and better. I love how you are using so many skills you have learned over time in this build, from the 3d printed parts (exceptional print results btw, mine look like shaggy dogs in comparison) to the cnc routed parts, and everything else you put into it.
Lieber Marius, ich bin 36 Jahre alt , selbständig in der IT und Elektronik Branche.
Du hast mir eine Motivation-Schub gegeben. Bin per Zufall auf deinem Kanal gestoßen und muss sagen, dass du ein intelligenter Ingenieure bist.
Danke fürs Teilen
Marius is a really created person. I think Hammer (Felder-group) should be aware of this modification, and have it to they CNC machine.
Especially the really nice cable-thing he built. Love the clips, much nicer and smoother solution than the old solution.
Marius, you are one proof of the „German Engineering Heritage“ being passed on to the next generation!
Even if your conclusion has its points, every product/feature needs at first to be implemented somehow, and THEN a company can do their „routine“ work in checking what a feature might be worth for the market, and optimise the design accordingly to cost! And it‘s by FAR easier to strip-down/cost-optimise an existing design, than design something fancy to a given (fixed) target cost!
That is a seriously well engineered addition to your CNC machine. It even looks like a professional product and not something hacked on with duct tape!
Outstanding work Marius! It is easy to see that a tremendous amount of thought and work went into this project and you should be very proud of creating this add-on to your CNC! You continue to amaze me with your creativity and cleverness. I admire you and always enjoy watching you create! Great Job as always. Thanks for taking us along for the process, very interesting!
It was a pure and utter delight to watch your process and successes! What a wonderful project and VIDEO. Your ending was precious.
What a great production. Funny, simple, precise. A great job. Like it a lot!
You’re my new favorite CZcams maker.
VERY impressive! Every detail is such a perfect fit. Great job.
I love your videos!! I found the channel like a week ago and its been up there with my most watched since then. So satisfying, mesmerizing, inspiring, well edited, well thought out, high quality, honest and funny. Thank you for your content please don't stop!
This is very impressive and the passion you did put into this is remarkable. Well done.
This was awesome Marius! Amazing engineering! Loved the length of the video too, very detailed and engaging.
I enjoy your videos because you talk through the good and the bad, and you give lots of details! Your work is detailed and turns out so well in form and function.
What a fine upgrade to the mill!
Hey, Thanks for the wrap-up in the end. Honestly, it was interesting to see you evaluate your design from a product development point of view.
any thing is possible with enough time effort and a little mad scientist thrown in , once again great upgrades,,,
An enjoyable journey through the design, problem solving and fabrication process with a great end result - bravo!
thoughtful designs explained intuitively, super inspiring and helpful
ok finally over。now I need to watch it again。
I am blown away Marius! Been watching your videos for a long time and every video I'm impressed with the craftsmanship!
What an awesome overengineering masterpiece. Keep on rocking!!
Omg, i need this as I don't have shoe dust for my CNC. i love yours
I am fully impressed by your effort and ingenuity!
Well done Marius! I agree with your sentiment at the end. The amazing end product aside, it is the problem solving, the learning, the knowledge gained from going through all the motions that is perhaps the greatest prize. Very inspirational stuff.
A very impressive build which you explained very clearly. Thank you for walking through your development process.
Unexpectedly one of the coolest projects I've seen.
Amazing! Didn't even notice when 40 minutes flew by.
Love the attention to details, and how neat everything looks.
I like your statement about the joy of the project out weighting the cost. Excellent work keep it up.
I do not have a cnc but found this fascinating. Thank you for taking the time to explain what you are doing, etc. Your enthusiasm is contagious. 😊 ❤
Elegant design! The manner in which you overcame obstacles to achieve the final design is inspiring. Great work!!!
Hi Marius,
Your device is at the top I Liked the video in the first few seconds, it is perfectly thought out and the idea of the compressed air system is brilliant!
You are a boss !
Your little stop motion animations are always a nice touch that is done really well. And also you are an incredible engineer with your practicality and serviceability in mind.
Absolutely brilliant. One of the best YT videos I have seen in a long time about the topic of improving hobby CNC machines. Excellent engineering and great execution.
Very honest conclusion. Top notch! Channel subscribed
Marius, this is engineering at its finest. Beautiful work.
Awesome design and result. Thank you for sharing all the complexities. 👍👍😎👍👍
You are a genius. I love watching your problem solving. Such great work
Awesome, impressive, crazy, complicated, clever, convoluted, creative, complex and much more.... It does what you want it to do, and that is the only important part. Great job!
Thank you for taking me down that rabbit hole. It was an experience.
Very nice work. I went a similar but different route on the vertical adjustment side of things. ("Sweet Dreams CNC") RC model type servo, switch and springs. The lightweight springs and gravity hold the shoe in the down position on the work piece regardless of the depth of cut. For tool changes, the RC hobby servo via a lever activated by a switch moves the shoe up out of the way to let you change tools. Your solution is nicely "over engineered". (A high form of compliment! :-)
Thanks. That's a much simpler solution. Sounds also similar to what StepCraft has done. If I'd do it again, I'd probably also go with this simpler approach
Super satisfying watching that all come together!
I thoroughly enjoyed watching you tackle this project. Your design, artistic, engineering, along with hardware and software integration, is impressive. Congratulations.
Your talent, ingenuity, humour, etc... are a breathe of fresh air! And not the compressed stuff lol Superb build & video. Absolutely superb!
Great work as always Marius and a pleasure to watch the way you work and your thought process to achieve your goal. I absolutely understand the enjoyment you got from this, as sometimes the most tedious task can be most enjoyable. Keep up the great work. I also got some great inspiration from this for my machine, thanks.
Nice long detailed video. I had a lot of fun watching it. Let's see if the people from Hammer will contact you soon, similar to the improvements to your sliding table saw.
Your deliberate and comprehensive thought-process is admirable and refreshing.
This is amazing Marius!!! Great job!!!
VERY interesting project. As always, well done and professional. Really enjoy your content. Thanks for your efforts in sharing with us.
That is really brilliantly done Marius. It seems so simple but it must have been quite a job. It also looks very professional. Thanks for the video
1:56 is one of the best shots I've seen in a woddworking video
Absolutely AMAZING Design!
That assembly animation are top notch. 👍
Mal auf deutsch, weil die Ausdrucksweise und Formulierung so wesentlich besser ist.
Ich habe selber erst vor kurzem meinen Bachelor im Maschinenbau abgeschlossen und kann daher nachvollziehen, was du da getan hast und was es für ein Aufwand war. Schwer beeindruckend und wirklich ein geniales Projekt. Was du am Ende angesprochen hast, ist auch der Grund, warum die Maschine aus meiner BA nie gebaut werden wird, es lohnt sich einfach nicht. Aber der Professor wollte nur ne Lösung und sagte auch, dass sie gerne utopisch sein darf. Der ganze Aspekt der Kostenanalyse wird einem erst dann wirklich bewusst, wenn man selber drin steckt.
Danke für deinen tollen Content und ich freue mich auf jedes Video, besonders die mit so viel Maschinenbauhintergrund.
Großes Kino! 👍 Macht Spaß dir zuzusehen. Deine Entwicklung in den letzten Jahren ist großartig.
I have watched this video probably 3 times now in total and I just love the practicality and ingenuity of the whole thing. I will most definitely have to bring this into my next CNC iteration.
This is the second time that I watched this and I’m still impressed. I completely understand what you are saying about the learning curve for young person like your self. Very inspiring.
Wonderful work! Thanks for taking the time to share your process.
Just now seeing your channel for the first time. This was amazing video and what a great job you did on upgrading this machine. I'm jealous.
this is your best video ever and I love them all. I'm built my own CNC and I'm so so impressed with all the little touches. really inspiring. well down you can be really proud of this one.
As a first time viewer of your channel, I am very impressed with this workmanship, well done
Classical overengeneering😃 I love it!
Respekt für die Präzision der Teile😊
wow... that time flew by. never expected a dust collection system to be that intriguing!
Congratulations Marius. Very good job.
Wow. Amazing work. You have serious skills. Thanks for sharing the process.
everything you make is extremly impressive and perfect, this is not diy, this is art
Super nice project and very original! just the right quantity of overengineering, enjoied watching a lot, thanks Marius.
your content is 2nd to none. awesome job.
Wow Marius, you are so impressive ! Nice work, love your video ! Thanks a lot !