We killed it... but then SUCCESS!!! - Die Lapping Adventure
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Linus holding a delidded CPU in the socket with his bare hands while it's running is the sort of quality content I'm subscribed for 👌
that kind of stuff makes me want to make a second account to give this man another sub.
I’ve done it many times with other cpus. I’ve had CPU’s that can run at comfortable temperatures to touch even after booting to windows with no heatskin. They would take a few minutes to shutoff. The 9900k just has terrible thermals and heats up to temperatures like that before it even boots to bios. Linus knew that thermals on the 9900k were bad but considering that other CPU’s can boot to windows doing it you would assume that it should at least be able to make it to bios.
"Cooling a CPU with my blood"
My thought was "how does this man still have all his fingers?"
800th
Linus - "lapped 2mm on the die"
Me - *has heart attack*
I have no idea what that means but I guess Linus liked it so, I give it a Yeah!
@@consonance7458 The die is less than 2mm thick. If they took off 2mm, there would be no die left.
@@consonance7458 skip to 10:50 if you're confused 🙂
Point 2 is 0.2mm
For those confused, he just made a mistake and said he took 2mm off, skip to 10:50 if you don't get it. I just found it funny, seems like other people get it 😂
8:30
Linus: I'm gonna push the CPU in like this with my bare fingers
forgets that the 9900k goes from 0-100c even with watercooling
Couple seconds later. "OW! QUICK! OFF! OFF! OFF" XD
@@antoniohagopian213 nope
the I9 eats so much power that the heat isnt even caused by the cores but the power going through them
🤣
@@ExtremusStupidus that’s... how power works
Breaking a cpu that is more expensive than my whole setup like it's everyday
Oh no, look at that smile - He felt that! :D
your entire setup costs less than $450 🤔 yikes
apart from you, so enjoy
Poor lol
3200 and 3400G builds cost about that much. An i5 prebuilt with a new PSU and a used 570, can be done for under $300. Add more RAM and an SSD and you're still under $450
"You gotta break some eggs to make an omelette"
Indeed, if the eggs were $600 a piece
Expensive-ass omelette...
They were Fabergé.
More like 500 a piece
Omelete du fromage
@@titan_fx long few minutes....but still funneh : czcams.com/video/2kArCRjT29w/video.html
Post credits........
Linus: I'm fine
Tyler: We need to fill out a report.
Linus: LOOK, LOOK! I'm not burned.
Tyler: Even if it was a near-miss, we still need to fill out a report.
Linus. **SIGH**
What's the report they are talking about though?
God I hate health and safety 😂
@@rejest05 if someone injures themself or even had a near miss at work, you have to fill out an accident report.
@@mop0014 What does it ultimately do? Does it have to do with finances related to first aids and health insurance?
@@TheSinfulFreak insurance
"This kind of tom foolery doesn't come without risk..."
It's Intel, there's no RISC at all
actually, Intel has been partly RISC for years now. They use a hybrid between CISC and RISC.
@@Pwnstared File that under MISC. and burn it on a DISC and then... WHISC.. it away cause no ones using optical media anymore.
Reduced Instruction Set Computer
@@NuclearTopSpot ya sure bout that?
Ok. That was funny.
"I brought this from my home stash."
This is why we trust Colin.
He's gotta be 420 friendly.
Linus: This is among the crazier things I’ve ever done.
Linus again: Quick, off off off off off 🔥🤣🤣
oof oof oof oof
@@yoyoyodavo A Canadian after all 😁
If this video didn't net them $20K this would be a dumb way to spend their time, but it makes it more dramatic that their new guy doesnt know how to do this.
also just cause people are gonna want timestamp its 8:35
Not linus*
That CPU has seen better days,
running sustained stress tests under an intel stock cooler
lol true
haha intel stock cooler🤣🤣
Yikes
I’m running a 9600k on a stock cooler rn
O’Brien FPV brave man
Just so everybody knows lapping is typically best done in a figure 8 motion to ensure that even pressure is maintained. By going at all angles you prevent sanding with more pressure on one particular side. This is the technique that allowed gauge blocks used in precision machining to be made much earlier than most of the modern machining technology we have today.
causes rounded up corners, instead lap back and forth and rotate after several passes, you're welcome.
When you have to convince your boss to fill out an incident report for him.
69 likes
"We're going to fill out a report"
Best line of the video
Next best line: "but even if you weren't injured it would still be a near-miss". Sorry to say linus but he's right. No arguing with first aid on the report😁😁😁
When was this?
Edit: nvm, outro.
@@shakeelamlay130 After the outro
May I ask why? is it really important to fill out a report?
Who sees the report? 🤔
Cracked die? That just screams like... That sounds like...
PHIL SWIFT HERE FOR FLEX PASTE! THE EASY WAY TO SEAL HOLES AND CRACKS!
I wonder how would he integrate destroying a boat and fixing a cracked die into one advertisement
Funny enough it might even work as a thermal paste...
n1
i read it in his voice
Just look at all that DAMAGE
16:30 When even the boss starts to argue about filling out a near-miss report :D
no one wants that paperwork. theres a lot of it, and it can cost a LOT of money. something this minor not so much, but if there was a real injury of any sort the company can get fined
Lol damn who even was that guy able to just pimp slap Linus and say ".....we're gonna fill out a report later."
@@imnotdavidxnsx Tyler rip
@@kylewitter2806 he's legit dead?
@@imnotdavidxnsx yes, he passed away in December 2020 :,(
I love how Colin is immediately like "OH GOD ARE YOU OKAY" and Linus is just like "We were right we just needed more pressure!" completely dedicated to the project.
"You're going to have fun when you check out our sponsor..."
"I doubt that"
"Microcenter!"
"oh wait no yeah that is fun. Go microcenter"
Love microcenter. I can look at all the cool things I can't afford lol
Legit was my thought process right there
>When your closest microcenter is 5 hours away
*sad pcmr noises*
@@mycelia_ow I'd still make the trip albeit perhaps less often. The closest one to me is about a half hour, used to 45 minutes from my old place. Built my current beast from parts I bought at MicroCenter which ended up being cheaper than if I ordered them online. It's also nice to have knowledgeable sales reps who can confirm compatibility and even suggest alternatives which are sometimes cheaper and better than the stuff I found myself.
the closest microcenter is 40mn but dang it, they're the best.
8:27 At least Linus has "first hand" experience of how hot a 9900k is
And for some reason kept his finger on it
Hands on with the real life temperatures of a 9900k
Pokemoncrusher 1 you do realise the melting point of silicon is in the thousand of degrees celsius. He kept it in because if the cpu came out of the socket while the pc was running the cpu or motherboard could be damaged.
@@pokemoncrusher1246 There's a reason why max temps exist.
@@pokemoncrusher1246 You should become a lawyer, you're really good at b*llsh*tting
Linus trying to prove to Tyler that he wasn't burned at the end was really cute. It's like seeing a child trying to argue with a parent.
RIP Tyler
I don't get the point of the report or to whom it will be...
@@MaktheArab It's a company policy thing. You track near-misses, accidents, and the like to ensure a safe working environment. Ideally, near-misses are good, because it means your reporting is working and you can hopefully find ways to mitigate and prevent actual accidents in the future.
FOR EXAMPLE, When Linus /almost/ burned his finger touching a CPU, he could've seriously burned his finger in the same way. To prevent this, a new policy "don't touch CPU's directly" and some equipment "a conductive or non-conductive, thin heat-gloves" could be applied to prevent injury.
This is more of a big deal when you work in a highly dangerous environment, such as around machinery that could lop your arm off. That kind of thing DOES happen, and if you can reduce the number of occurrences through safety measures, you do that.
No idea who else looks at it, other than your company's health and safety officer if you have one. But I'm sure if you had a law-suit relating to an issue or a fine from OSHA or the equivalent, those would absolutely be brought in.
rip as in he died?
@@finkyfamboni4333 He did actually, last December
@@MaktheArab To OHSA, any work related incidents must be reported. Insurances, liability etc.
The fact that "corntact" just gave away that colin watches AVE I can die a happy man
AvE Linus coop video when? ;_;
Always happy when I find AVE fans. Shot down to the comments the moment he said corntact
There's been 1000 times that he's referenced it ffs, it's not new.
@@spazman8675309 Same here brother. Nice to see other fans of Uncle B.
Scoocum!
"We're gonna fill out a report later."
"GAAAAHHHHH!"
Look at the boss, trying to circumvent the processes he makes his employees adhere to, LOL! That's a true manager right there!
J/k love your stuff, Linus!
At my work they are also very strict about registering every tiny scratch. Which leads to the fact that I appear on every page of the book at least once xD Better safe than sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That was funny!
Sounds like someone needs an employee of the month award!
@@TheSpylight I would like to know why. Does this have something to do with health insurance if it's accidental or not?
@@bahamutlightbringer486 Right! We have good insurance. Theoretically, any wound can get infected, so everything must be registered. Otherwise the insurance company says: "It doesn't say in this book that your injury is caused by work, you got it at home. We do not pay for it." And then you look like a fool without money.
these are honestly my favorite kind of videos. This type of somewhat sophisticated jank with just the right amount of "oh my god, you cannot be seriously doing that right now" is my jam
"We're going to fill out a form later" lmao. Thats good office procedure!
You're telling me to match the performance of Ryzen 9 with Intel, I would need an Intel 9900k, a Sander Machine, and 2 Canadians?
or one german dude
bro i have a i5 9600k & my close friend i game with daily after work has the 9 3900x & i get more frames than him in every game we play in
And a near miss report
@@benjamindo8142 your cpu doesn't matter that much in games compared to gpu.
@@nel2834 *german engineer
8:28 And that's what it feels like to touch a 100°C object.
Gotta admire Linus's commitment to the components...
I mean was it dumb. Yes. Will he ever do it again .... Obviously yes.
12:37 He said "Corntact" and owns a granite slab from his home stash and is a Canadian. All 3 pieces of evidence point to one conclusion. He is a fellow AVE fan
My thoughts exactly
He's made references before
Alien vs Edator
so glad someone else noticed this
Hasn't he actually said "skookum as frig" at some point?
I deeply enjoyed Colin pulling from memory the thread pitch to depth by turn. Fastener rain man.
awesome instructional vid on die lapping honestly; using that granite reference surface was a super smart idea. some people might think its silly to try and squeeze another 3-5* out of a chip, but when youre overclocking to the absolute limit, 3* from die lapping, 3* from IHS top lapping, 3* for picking the best fans for your radiator, 3* for picking the radiator that matches your pump/block setup, 1-2* for lapping and choosing the best block, 3* for choosing the highest quality radiator, and 1-3* for picking a high quality thermal paste, you see how these little things add up, and when youre pusing 6+GHz, every degree is the difference between stability/WR claims and crashing. almost 20* potential change without changing any settings!
"This kind of tomfoolery doesn't come without risk". That sounds very hard to believe Linus
Even Tomfoolery wouldn't high risk that. 😷
The best kind of tomfoolery.
Doing this sounds like tech murder with extra steps.
"oooh la la, somebody's gonna get laid in college!"
“eek barba durkle, somebody is going to get laid in college”
Clearly Linus was of the opinion that either the CPU executes instructions better, or it gets executed itself...
After you do this to the die, use the graphene pad from the previous video attached with liquid metal to spread the heat on the ihs. That's the type of stuff the pad was designed for, not void filling like when you used the pad as a transfer material.
"It's hot"
REALLY, I DIDN'T KNOW
All those separate tools. Could have had all in one Swiss Army Knife.
Nude CNC: "we already did direct die water cooling. what else can we do to make cooling better"
Also Nude CNC: "the silicon doesn't do anything right?"
8:45 Of all the people I would assume wouldn't know that would happen, Linus is not anywhere near the top of my list. I believe I now need to remake that list.
I think he knew that would happen and was actually testing for it - just in the most reckless way possible
Weird to me that it heated up so quickly. but I don't really know much about cpus
@@audacitytheeditor3225 wattage delivery is pretty much instant. Getting °C rise/ second involves getting BTUs. You can determine wattage of a heater to raise temp in a room of a known size. That's your BTUs. Translate surface area of heater to surface area of die. Translate thermal conductivity of volume of air to thermal conductivity of ihs material and cubic size. The smaller your values are, the faster a particular wattage will heat up the thermal mass, in this case mostly copper. Imagine a room heater at 5 times less wattage but a room orders of magnitudes smaller and air made of solid copper. The difference is like 1C per hour compared to like 30C per second. Highly simplified explanation. Even simpler: wattage is energy, smaller things made of metals that can hold more energy will heat up extremely quickly.
@@droughdough The way I like to think off it is, most people (aside the really young ones) have grabbed hold of a 60w light globe while it was on or soon after being turned off. The little bugger is damn hot. That is 60w over the full surface area of a light bulb, a CPU will be about 60w but over only a thumb print of area. So you can guess how hot that's gonna get from how hot the light bulb was.
I love how you guys committed for the sake of tech science (& entertainment)!
while watching this voice started in my head: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"
THE DAWN OF MEN
HAL 9000
+1
me: lapps 2mm off cpu die
"wow its so thin the die is almost invisible"
Wait what
You actually sanded off you dye
Where is the processing done if you sand it off. Like you can sand off litteral parts of your processor why do people so this
0.2mm
@@raycert07 nice joke lol
Tyler being a very great guy there, doing his job even after the boss tell him not to. RIP Tyler.
rip?
@@finkyfamboni4333 Yes, he died in his sleep a few months ago, where have you been dude?
@@eliasoreinic5003 I stopped watching Linus about a year ago. I also never payed attention to lmg's twitter.
It's really good that they have a stringent health and safety officer on set. Though with those CNC machines I guess that was an absolute must.
Everyone: We love Der8auer!
Der8auer: I love Steve!
16:47 hands down the best part of the video.
I remember when i got my P4 2.4 back in the day, my dad who is a CNC machinist, took it to work and lapped the top of the head spreader. No delidding done.
You guys overlooked one thing. Derbauer also has a direct die cooling bracket. It’s basically a spacer so you can install the waterblock directly on the die without a heatspreader (which is also extra unnecessary resistance). I did this on a 9900k , lapped the die until it was a mirror and results are impressive! It will easy be over 5 degrees extra. Lapping the IHS is another part that is sensitive to imperfections for contacting the die. Cpu cooler direct on die and you easily see a 10 degree difference
4:38
Linus: Apply too much force. This thing is broken and video is over
See video is 16:25 minutes long
Me: Oh I don't have to worry about that.
Tbf, from that point the rest of the video could had been a montage of Linus dropping things
No fear of that anyway; Linus has at least a couple (hundred) spare CPUs lying around that he can practice on...
I thought you were talking about the caliper abuse at 2:07.
We all knew they would break it and just take another one
8:30 CPU gets revenge for all the times Linus dropped it
Linus being the boss, but also the one who's like a sad kid who has to do his homework when he's told to fill out a incident report haha, such a Linus thing to do, always love this channel, dunno how i missed this video.
Love videos like these, no clue if it’ll work and it’s all experimental
"This is among the crazier things I've ever done"
Here we go again
Linus holding down the CPU: "Intel bit my finger! Ouch, Intel! That really hurt!"
Intel: "Grinning."
"Do u want water??" The way Linus send their sponsors!! xD
Protip for lapping, you want to lap in a figure-8 motion, going up and down is likely to create valleys that require more and more work to fix as you go along.
Linus: You shouldn't do this
Also Linus: Does it
LTT: DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO
to be fair, he said *you* (the audience) shouldn't do it. he never was talking about himself.
Unlike us, linus has a lot of money for cpus
the "don't do it" is the tech tip part ;)
And he showed pretty clearly why you shouldn’t do it, the whole destroying an 9900k thing.
9:26 That has to be among the smoothest LTT water bottle ads.
It really wasn't
But it was
Ah yes , the negotiator
Not at all
7 hours later I've broken my i9. Ordering a new one.
These spams usernames crack me up
Dédé LABINOUZE lolol
CLICK ON MAH VEEDEO HOT SHINTEL CPU
Good work there gents. I wouldn’t do this but I enjoyed watching you all do so. (:
Colin: Corntact
Me: Found the AvE fan.
Came here to say this
Good to see some civilised people.
Had to go find this comment to make sure it wasn’t just a Canadian thing
Skookum as frig!
What's AvE?
I like colin, more of him plz.
he's doing well and it quite natural on the TV
Linus paid him to be his friend
He looked so nervous lol. That's three CPUs in already lol
You should use finer wet or dry sand paper ~800, and use a thin temporary spray adhesive between the paper and the granite block to keep the paper flat. Use a small amount of kerosene, machine oil or WD40 on the paper to lubricate it. Using a figure 8 movement, turning the die/heat spreader 30-90 degrees every 5 or so figure 8's you make. Check progress often as this will progress very quickly and keep it lubricated. Very important! After either getting close or turning it a full 360, remove the sand paper, clean the adhesive from the granite. Flush the part with WD40 to remove all of the 800 grit. Pat dry with lint free cloth. Then repeat the process with 2000-3000 grit paper, adhesive spray, lubricant, figure 8's, checking often... just like before. When both parts are done, flush with WD40 and wipe until all grit is gone. Wipe down with rubbing alcohol to remove WD40, let air dry for an 1 hour. Then heat the part with the heat gun to 100c and allow to cool to ambient to remove the water (in the alcohol) that didn't evaporate on its own. This method will get you an extremely flat surface. Oh, pro tip: if you don't have access to a granite reference block, you can use glass, the thicker the better.
i loved the look on linus's face about 4 minutes in 'wait i pay this guy' lol xD
"Allen keys. That's actually the right one, you did good."
How to passive aggressively put down your boss. 🤣
That was annoying and unnecessary imo
11:59 linus looks mad lmao that's the "CUT!" Face
Excellent work. I know it's not the first. But it's very detailed.
I love when micro center is a sponsor, micro center rules!
8:50 Boss tells you to do something
8:52 but the boss is stupid
8:53 but the boss is the boss
15:03 Linus is finally going through puberty
Sick burn!
I hope your hand is fine.
Nice job, excellent work
No one is going to mention the awesome and hilarious part at 16:30? I mean, I would, but I am an idiot and I do not know what to say about it.
2:15 i love how he is hiding that scar
Bearded linus has a kind of energy to him that I can't get enough of
I genuinely love everyone at Linus Media group. Honestly, y'all are there for me everyday.
Thank you for making the Silicon Silicone correction. I try not to nitpick, but this one really drives me nuts due to the fact that they are two VERY different things!
did you just do that? i love how saying things like this to their boss is common play at LMG gotta love that company
Does your boss get mad ad you for stuff like that?
You are a legend, i grew up watching your videos from more than 10 years old when i decided to dumb my laptop and get my first build that was AM3 3.2GHz triple core at that time to X99 dual core motherboard rightnow.
Delidded my i9-10850K using a vice and a small chunk of steel(blank tooling for making lathe cutters). I put some pieces of 3D printing plastic under the CPU to ensure no contact with vice surface ways and put the blank of steel up on the L edge of the lid on the thinner side. This way the blank transfers force from the vice jaw to the lid only on one side while the other side was up against the PCB. I then slowly turned the vice handle while doing my best to keep the CPU flat while watching the PCB making sure it didn't get dented or flex. No heat or removal of spreader glue was done before attempting the delid, I removed it with force only.
I also used my nail to remove 90% of the solder from the die because I was afraid to cut into it at all. Using my nail worked out better than most videos I have seen honestly...
11:30 "Less is more, according to Linus" By the tone of his voice I assume he was talking about the paycheck.
When you realize that 9900k costs more than most of our computers
how tf u got 500k subs
Wow, just a generic comment without watching Za video
Cool
yo havent seen you in a while, you good?
£400? i dont know bout that
8:30 seeing your boss burn - priceless! I would have gave him a couple more seconds..
i'm still running a core 2 quad 9650 and it gets toasty in the summer on a hot day so I took some 800 grit sand paper and a flat surface and went to town lol then hit it with 2000 grit. that heat spreader is so smooth its like a mirror. I dropped 10 degrees on my 3.6ghz overclock. every little bit helps.
I have a delidded and lapped 7700k, been running at 5.2GHz, 1.47 V-core, and 90°C under stress for 3 years...
Ok cool
not cool
Who asked
@@suhcheuy268 lmao
Wow cpu bbq?
"So, we went to MemEx" -- how many times have I made that trip with all the parts out on the bench. Brick and mortar FTW.
Sandy bridge was soldered too. They stopped doing it to save money, and apparently needed 8 years to realize there was a reason why they used solder in the first place.
You could also lap the top of the IHS and the contact pad of the cooler. You wouldn't need to go with a 3000 grit mirror finish, but as long as you didn't drop it you might as well make mirrors on the surfaces.
I came from Twitter when i saw ‘in five minutes’ and the tweet was 5 minutes ago
Same here
I would rather try a direct die mount than this method
Same. Only problem with direct die on the 9900k is it's hard to get good even mounting pressure. Only reason I haven't done it is the people I've spoken to that have, more than not have had to put their IHS back on after lots of fighting due to no post and missing memory channels.
Yeah i broke 4670k first ram slot (A1) by mounting it direct die. Also CPU did not post. I switched back to ihs then i bought metal and i got stable 4.5 1.33V - bad sample.
@@mikeycrackson that's right, could even only the liquid metal making the difference.
@@tresnugget youre probably better off lapping the top of the ihs than the die anyway just for an even mount. Dropped 3-5 degrees all round on my 9600k
@@tresnugget Search for OC Frame for the 9th gen, problem soved.
Loving the debate with Health & Safety at the end
I don’t know what it is about the guy that makes him a living breathing time capsule from the early 2000’s/90’s, but it’s hilariously awesome. Love the content guys
2:07 TRIGGERED
You dont just shut a caliper like that!
Callipers have feelings too.
Linus can buy him a new one
Linus is like a little kid on a toy shop
Doesn't matter for these fancy new capacitive ones.
I'm over here just wondering why they're using a caliper for this instead of a micrometer.
This was more anxiety inducing than I expected 😂
7:39
"MORE POWER!!!"
Linus: "Let's not go any further"
2:31
"Debauer's a cool guy." "Very cool dude." is the best unintentional pun ever
At least Linus has "first hand" experience of how hot a 9900k is
“If everybody's thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.”
― George S. Patton
My childhood hero
You guys are so funny, yet so brave to do it lol
12:28 Did he just say "Margarine of error?" 🤣🤣 I luvs ya, dudes.
I'm so early I haven't seen Linus drop the CPU yet...
don`t worry, later he uses his own skin to cool a 300 watts cpu
himano loganor Jesus what did I expect
Linus as a heatsink... That scene had me rolling XD It's so suitable for the "You never see it comming" meme, and yet, he totally did it. What a brave effing man. :D
Brave? More like insane because what he did was nothing short of insanity.
After removing the IHS on a Celeron G1620 (ivy bridge I think?) of which I had 5 randomly from a number of old Dell systems I was given and parted out while keeping some of the CPU/MB/RAM kits just for such an endeavour. I fixed it in a vice and specially machined fixture within a nice and relatively new 5-axis CNC and used an incredibly high end Seco 3/16" 3-flute TiAlN coated carbide endmill to shave at first my guess of 0.0015" off the top while spinning the endmill at 16500 RPM. Did not use any lubricant as the coating on the tool and the tool geometry itself at that RPM would relegate any produced heat into the removed material and away. After running passes at a d/2.5 stepover distance and a cutting speed at 11 IPM (I think, maybe have been a touch more or less...) I used a proper buffing abrasive and threw it back in the PC with it's already modified IHS and some thermal grizzly I got half off open box at microcenter. I couldn't believe it worked, but thermals were essentially the same. Tried it again and took only 0.001" of material off and followed the same process. In the burn test maxed out, ran 5-7C cooler which is huge considering how little material was removed, but I had definitely shrunk the distance between the conductive metal layers in the die and the IHS et al. Tried it one more time, and it was dead... I'm pretty sure I didn't have it fully seated in the aluminum fixture I had machined for it... After spending nearly 4 hours working on that alone. I had it to level within all significant figures of a very precise CNC on the first passes and just rushed the last one. I'd be curious if anyone has some hard numbers based on series and generation as to how much material can be precisely removed to decrease thermal insulation in the top silicon layer without encroaching on the active circuitry. Would be a nice thing to be able to skim CPUs tops that precisely should anyone desire to squeeze that out of a particular chip
That's so rough. You douched it. 1rst one, and a tolerance is +/- min, nom, max. I love seeing that screen