Extreme Hard Landing - Cessna 441 Conquest II
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2023
- Dangerous, hard, and extremely bouncy landing performed by Cessna 441 Conquest II N17TJ. The impact appears to have damaged the aircraft’s landing gear, as the nose landing gear vibrated dangerously when the aircraft was braking. The plane also seemed to struggle exiting the runway, was seen applying power, reverse thrust, and shutting down, and restarting an engine before being able to backtrack off the runway.
This landing was the hardest I have ever seen at CZNL. I hope this nice general aviation turboprop aircraft is alright.
Make sure to stick around to 6:40 to see the landing in slow motion and the crazy nose landing gear shake! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Much respect to the engineers at Cessna who designed that landing gear all those years ago. It took way more than it should have!
The aircraft and gear must be solid to stand up to that one!
I think that nose gear is damaged.
I could be wrong but it seems that if the main gear had been conventional instead of trailing link gear, the outcome could have been very different. I'm amazed that the nose gear stayed on, considering the size and weight of the aircraft. Great job Cessna!
so? the point is it still did great on taking the impact of that horrific landing@@ictpilot
@@oealias5584 So I think the nose gear might be damaged and he should check it out that's the point.
Watching the nose gear shimmy like that gave me goosebumps 😮
This is because of the pilot's shaking legs ! Big fear ! (Check the rudder, of course linked with the front wheel)
That shimmy was painful to see! Must have felt rough inside the aircraft.
@@TheHDAviation don't you think this shimmy was linked to the roughness of the french kiss landing ?
Could the nose gear suffer ,any part ?
It looks like one of Isle of Man sport bike with very sensitive front wheel, could there be such phenomenon on a well balanced aircraft?
That didn't look so Kodiak 100 tough
I assume it has been damaged by the hard/nose down landing?
Oh, wow! That was absolutely insane. What a landing, glad the gear didn't collapse, could've ended worse! That's a once in a lifetime capture mate, well done! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks so much Mylos, this landing was absolutely crazy to see. I really have no idea how the gear stood up to it. And the craziest thing is, the aircraft took off again three hours later!
fired is the word
@@AlanMydland-fq2vs nope, the aircraft took off again three hours later!
@@duknilch amazing, i hate to say it but he cant fly, gave up.on rhe yoke and porpoised way rookie
@@AlanMydland-fq2vsif you watch closely he pulled back to flare like normal but there was absolutely no reaction in the pitch.
Cessna's reliability suddenly raised in my eyes. That was harder than a carrier landing!
Landing at CZNL is almost like landing on a carrier! Go Navy!
Harder than two carrier landings at once!
He had plenty of runway, he shouldn't have had to plant that in a normal landing.
Amen on the carrier landing😵💫
@@ictpilot stupid sob, Should have landed into the wind would have been a good start!
I counted 8 horrible landings, and that's going to be expensive to get checked out and probably fixed.
The bounces were pretty crazy to see, I've never witnessed anything like that before!
Looks like they flew it 3 hours later, very strange track on the way into here too.
@@ryanashby3640wait. They flew it out???? Yiiiikes.
@@ryanashby3640 Are you serious???? That nose gear at the very least is broken. The engine mounts might be nearly sheared off and who knows about the spar.
@@ryanashby3640 I just saw they flew it again today....
Wow 😱 Never seen such a hard landing before ! The nose wheel seems to have been badly damaged.
This is by far the hardest landing I've ever seen as well, it was pretty crazy!
@@TheHDAviation Yeah. It was crazy. Do you know what happened to the aircraft ? What kind of inspection was done ?
@@foxxray54 Commercial pilot here (Instructor/instrument instructor)- so lets start the shopping list for the inspection. Obviously the props and landing gear, wing spar attach fittings, the spar itself, engine mounts and fire wall, probably the entire wing box plus structor around the nose gear bay. From the looks of it, it's well over a 3g touchdown force. In 30 years of being a flight instructor, I;ve watched thousand of landings, I have never seen a landing like this before. I would be surprised if both the aircraft and the pilot fly again.
That guy HAMMERED his nose gear.
@@Ozgrade3 According to flightaware, this aircraft took off 3 hours later. Kick the tires and light the fires!
Oh my god....😱 I've never seen such an extreme hard landing before....!! They were so lucky that the landing gear didn’t has collapsed during that hard touch down! Great footage my friend and thumbs up👍😉
Thanks so much Martin! This landing was insane to see, I've never seen bouncing like that before!
@@TheHDAviation Look at the tree tops blowing around in the wind. The pilot encountered a "sinker" right at the threshold along with a crosswind/tailwind at the wrong moment.
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I think the right propeller contacted the runway with the second bounce, the one on the nose wheel. One can hear a « trrr » right at this moment. Possibly why they shut down number 2 engine after turning, not knowing the nose wheel steering was broken. Might have been a tailwind component looking at the wing sock, which might explain why he came in so fast.
You can see after they shut down #2 that the tips are pretty chewed up.
Yeah - definitely hit the right prop at the end of the first bounce, difficult to say if the left hit but it was certainly mighty close!
Good eye
You can see the RPM difference due to the rolling shutter effect.
If you look at the wingtip vortices (super cool visual in this video btw!) after the second bounce, the "smoke" is a different color and much thicker on the right side. That may be dust from the prop hitting the runway. I hope we're wrong and that there was not a prop strike because the aircraft departed YZL on the same day.
I flew these many years ago . They are without doubt the best aircraft I've ever flown and I drive 747 400s now. They laugh at King airs and their 425 counterparts . So sad to see one being crashed like this . That guy needs serious training / evaluation or his licence revoked . Absolutely terrible . I'd say that aircraft needs a major check after that disaster .
More money than skills he has.
He took off with a broken nose gear, possibly a flat tire of underinflated NWA tire, an unserviceable RH propellor and U/S RH engine (Postprop-strike), maybe the left prop and engine too. A completely illegal act to do. I agree with you.
@@marcpootmans7454How do you know he took off again? The video shows him turning off of the runway, what looks like a taxiway to parking.
@@TheFlyingZulu HD aviation said it took off 3 hours later under another comment.
Jack Rousch landing , fly it like you stole it!!
High descent rate, no roundout/flare - I'm honestly shocked the main gear didn't give out, especially with the porpoising right after. You can see the nosewheel shimmy... likely some serious damage. Generally you would go around if you started porpoising as the oscillations would get worse. Luckily they had killed enough energy to recover. Pilot has some serious questions to answer.
Did not look like they had full flaps. Pulled into the flare and stalled.
Either way if it’s a hard landing or a soft landing the pilot can ultimately land a plane safely in one piece at least. Safety is the most important thing in aviation
They killed enough energy by beating the daylights out of the gear and pavement. Absolutely brutal.
Could be a significant downdraft too, let’s not jump to conclusions too quickly
Aircraft had no damage it flew to Lethbridge yesterday no issue.
Wow! That is truly the hardest landing iv'e ever seen. Almost a front gear collapse. Great video.
It is definitely the hardest landing I've ever witnessed as well, it's amazing what the gear can put up with!
No excuses for a unstable approach, high speed, and sinking like a rock. The Garrett engines have a quick responsive thrust when you need it. This plane will have a damage history for a very hard landing, and will have a great video attached.
When the aircraft came into view, I was sure they were going to overfly the airport and approach from the other side, as there was a tailwind and they were way too high. Definitely the craziest landing I've ever seen here!
More like not enough speed, he tried to flare but the airplane kept sinking, indicating not enough energy / not enough elevator authority due to not enough speed.
If you listen with headsets, I think that 2nd landing was a prop strike on No. 2. That's why he shut it down at the other end of the strip.
I think you're right, I didn't notice that when first editing the video. That would definitely explain why they shut down the engine while on the runway.
Geeze, but then to restart the engine without checking it out first? And why couldn't they taxi on one engine, other damage? As I regrettably said in an earlier comment, I would have needed to change my underwear.
@@paralleler Taxing on one engine is very hard when starting from a stop. He'd have been better to get some support and tow it off I think. Or he knows the engine is now up for a full replacement and said stuff it. Just go.
@@Mike_Costello I agree with you, after a "dive" like this, the aircraft should be tow.
@@paralleler He was trying to taxi with no. 2 down....you can see he was pushing hard left rudder.....but that nose gear wasn't responding. The plane wanted to turn right. That's why he had to crank it back up.
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wow, that was pretty scary, luckily it turned out as well as could be expected considering how much worse it could have been. thats a beautiful plane, hope the damage wasn,t too crazy, that wobbling nose gear will probably be an expensive fix though, this was a great but intense video, thanks for sharing this, have never seen a hard landing like this before.
Thanks so much Rob! This is definitely the hardest landing I've ever seen at CZNL after all my years of spotting.
FLIPPING HECK how on earth did one of those struts not give way after the bounce! That is incredible.
What an amazing catch mate. Lucky they did not do any (immediately visible) damage.
Well filmed. Liked. 😲😲
Once they're down, you can see the front gear shimmying, and at least one of the rear gear looks bent. They definitely broke some stuff.
Trailing Link gear. It's the best in the business. The landing gear on the 441 is the same as the large business jets. It can handle anything.
Thanks so much Jonathan, this landing was absolutely crazy to see! I'm really not sure how the gear stood up to it.
@@bavarianbanshee Even before the front gear began to shimmy, I would have needed to change my underwear! Geeze!!! I wonder why they shut down that engine on the runway? And then it seems as though they were (forced?) to restart it. Yowser!
its a cessna😂😂😂😮
A six figure landing. I think the sound you hear at 0:29 is the delayed sound (due to distance betweeen camera and aircraft) of the tips scraping the tarmac on the previous impact. The landing light on the nosewheel is also noticably bent downward.
Certainly is. As if it wasn't bad enough already.
I think you're right about the prop tips scraping, that has to be why they shut down the one engine right after landing. Strangely, the aircraft took off three hours later. I didn't hang around to catch it though, as I thought there was no way it would be able to leave that same day without getting checked.
@@TheHDAviation Transport Canada may be interested about that as well.
Did he get both sides? Looks like for sure on the right but the 3rd bounce looks like it got the other side for good measure. Not very smart the pilot flew away some hours later.
Not only did they turn around and leave the "scene of the crime", they also jacked it up to FL170 and flew with IAS of 230kts. A subtle ferry flight at FL090 (whatever is needed to safley overfly this area) with a low speed maybe would have been a little bit more appropriate, given the structural stress the aircraft has been through.
Fantastic video my friend, superb workhorse, so hard landing gear for sure!
It's safe to say that was more of a crash landing! OMG!! The nose landing gear vibrations during braking were definitely not a good sign. It's alarming to think that there might be some serious damage to the aircraft's structure. The struggle to exit the runway, with the pilot resorting to applying power, reverse thrust, and even going through engine restarts, is truly nerve-wracking. Given the circumstances, a thorough inspection is absolutely necessary to assess any potential structural issues. Let's hope this won't be the end for the magnificent Cessna 441 Conquest II! Safety should always be our top priority, and it's crucial to ensure that the aircraft is in perfect condition before it takes flight again. Thanks for sharing the video, Jesse.
"Hey, we just nearly put the gear through the wings with that landing. How about we put as much side loading on the gear as we can to see if it is all good?"
Took off 3 hours later and flew 46 minutes over the mountains to where it appears they base this former aircraft. All good as long as you don't look too closely at the prop tips on the right side.
Thanks so much Matt, this was definitely the craziest landing I have ever seen. It was truly shocking! And really surprisingly, the aircraft departed CZNL three hours later and completed a 45 minute flight. I have no idea how that was even possible.
Oh my!! That's insane!! Looks like they might have broken the nose wheel oleo, as seen by the rudder and nose wheel oscillating from side to side. I'm just glad nothing more resulted from this landing, as things definitely could have spun out of control... Well captured video of this one though 👍
Thanks so much James, this landing was really crazy to see! I'm really glad they got out safely and without too much visible damage.
I bet that made the hair on the back of your neck stand up!
Absolutely professional capture of this incident.
So if they have flown this bird out willy-nilly I think its okay,
I myself would be inclined to send this to TSB, NTSB and FAA as an incident report!
Send it to Juan Browne and Kelsey too. Ild love to see their reaction!
Beautiful work HD!
Nose wheel replacement, spar check, root attachment check, engine mount check, avionics check, chiropractor cheque - the most expensive landing of his life.
WOW man that hurts a lot! What a “landing”😂! Thanks for sharing friend, very well filmed!!
Thanks so much Mike, this one was crazy to see!
oh wow what a landing never seen that - great camera work and super video big like
Thanks so much, this one was crazy to see!
WOW! Seconds away from getting really out of control, so glad they made and hope they check out that nose gear, great catch Jesse 👍😎 Be safe Jesse.
Thanks so much Ed, this landing was really crazy to see. I'm glad they were able to keep it on the runway and that the gear held up!
@@TheHDAviation Just a reminder for us spotters to watch our surroundings and be ready to get out of the way. Glad you and all are safe.
The occupants departed CZNL, and flew to Lethbridge Airport (YQL), Alberta, about three hours later, despite the fact that the airplane was damaged!
I was surprised it took off that same day, I was sure it would have to spend a couple days at CZNL.
Wow, didnt expect it to be that Hard! Amazing Video!
Thanks, this one was really crazy to see!
PROP strike! He/she knew and shut down #2, but then the 441 couldn’t 1 engine taxi. I hate to see that, but I can’t imagine that plane’s flying out of there any time soon. Great catch, boss
Took off 3 hours later...
This one was really crazy to see, never witnessed a landing like that before. What really surprised me, was that the aircraft departed three hours later!
@@TheHDAviation that’s nuts! I really enjoy your work.
0:27 WTF , that is no LANDING, that is dropping
It was pretty crazy to see!
This is insanity. Very well recorded as usual
Thanks so much! This one was crazy to see.
Best landing I've seen all day!
This is insane! Not something you see every day. Great capture!
This landing was pretty crazy to see. Thanks a lot!
Damn! That's a crash by FAA rules. Probably Canada too. Gonna be some expensive inspections (and repairs) after that big bounce. Super nice video by the way. Awesome quality.
Thanks so much, I got lucky with this video. It was really crazy to see, and the think that really shocked me was that they flew out three hours later.
@@TheHDAviationwow. Definitely should be reported to authorities. This incident and any follow up info must be logged and follow the aircraft as part of its history.
Any future buyer MUST have verification of inspection!
No it's not. If there are no injuries and no damage to anything but the landing gear it's not considered reportable. Even most gear up landings (without injuries) aren't reportable.
There's no FAA definition/rule of "crash."
@@mtnairpilot Most pilots with functional grey matter know that a prop strike equals an angine overhaul. It looks like both props hit, the RH harder than the left. There were all kinds of things wrong with that A/C. The nose wheel strut structure was most likely broken. That's not just a flat, low pressure, nor worn tire type shimmy going on there. I'm quite sure that taking off in that A/C was completely illegal.
The airplane wasn’t destroyed because the Cessna 441 has an outstanding landing gear. The pilot is another story.
They really must have some sturdy gear!
It wasn't destroyed because it looks like footage recorded from a PC game
Wow how scary 😧 what a great job you did capturing this keep up the great work ✈️👏
This one was definitely shocking to see, I wasn't sure they'd be able to stay on the runway. Thanks so much!
Wow! Amazing Catch, We don't see such a hard Landing every day! Thanks for Sharing!! :)
This one was pretty crazy to see, definitely the hardest landing I've witnessed in person!
There should be an investigation done into this. That 441 contacted the #2 propellers, the taxi light is pointing at the ground due to extreme down force, the shimmy dampener got ejected, and not to mention the extensive damage that must’ve been done to the landing gear and structure. This pilot decided to takeoff 3 hours later and fly to Lethbridge… Lucky once, maybe. Made mistakes twice, stupid.
That's what really shocked me, was that the aircraft departed a few hours later.
@@TheHDAviation me too! There’s no way the aircraft got properly inspected, everything broken replaced, and tested in 3 hours.. Completely negligent it seems.
This plane flew again 3 hours later? Does Transport Canada know about this?
Wow!! One approach, 8 touch and go’s, a nose gear waggle to full stop. Awesome!’
8 landings in one shot. Good job captain disaster. I can't believe how he didn't proceed to the hanger for an immediate hard landing inspection!!!
And took off 3 hours later despite damage to the craft. Such a brave Captain.
Good bye shimmy dumper, what a pilot!
Ouch. Whoever designed that landing gear did a great job!
That's for sure, amazing the strain it can handle!
WOW, a 'positive arrival' for sure. Wouldnt like to foot the bill for that one. Love to hear updates, if any, on this one. Thankyou for posting.
It was truly a crazy landing to see. The crazy thing was, the aircraft departed three hours later! I'd love to know if any damage was done/any repairs required.
Must have been a Navy pilot doing a carrier landing. Wow- that plane slammed down HARD! Great capture!
Thanks, this one was really crazy to see. Never seen a landing like that before!
Yikes! They're lucky the nose wheel didn't collapse. Great capture!
So true, it's amazing what the gear can put up with!
Remember: You can always go around.
As this pilot should have done as soon as he/she realised that the approach was way too bad to make a successful landing.
Could it be that the flaps were not fully extended? And full extension was done just prior to landing, causing a stall due to loss sudden loss of airspeed?
Cessna makes some mighty strong landing gear! What a slam on!!
The plusses of trailing link suspension... My goodness, I can't believe everything didn't collapse. You can see he applied full up elevator just before the body slam. It had to be a wind sheer situation. Sheeesh... the nose wheel must have shaken his feet out of his shoes!
No, it was clearly, unmistakably gross incompetence by the pilot. Even if there were windshear involved, the resulting PIO (pilot induced oscillation, 6 of them) is a result that should only be seen from a pre-solo flight student undergoing primary training, and not allowed by their flight instructor to progress past the first bounce.
I have a slight suspicion that the nose wheel isn't supposed to do that after an arrival.😂 Great catch boss man!
Haha I think you may be right! I have never seen bouncing or shimmying like that before. Thanks so much!
pilot gave up on the yoke, rookie move, another bent airplane
A long time ago I had a good landing in a Cessna 150, but braked too hard to slow down for a taxi strip. The nose gear shimmied like that and I thought I broke something, but there was no damage. He was running out of runway after all those bounces and was likely on the brakes pretty hard.
Awesome video! That was extremely hard!
Thanks, this landing was pretty crazy to see!
That's the end of nose wheel!
Nice capturing 😍
Thanks, this one was shocking to see!
OMG 😮 Looks like the pilot miscalculated completely! He was more than lucky that the nose gear didn't collapse!
Could be a significant downdraft/windshear too. Let’s not jump too conclusions too quickly
Hey Volker, this landing was pretty crazy to see! I really thought the gear was going to collapse, it's amazing the strain it can handle!
@@simonklaassen2145but at least go around
Wow, what did that pilot fly in the Navy?
Finally a hard landing video that lives up to the billing.
Daumn... How do you deal with such a short runway and having to come in at such a steep angle, bank and speed to prevent an accelerated stall/spin during the turn base to final turn? Should they have not even landed there in the first place? If the pilot leveled out and flared to bleed off airspeed for a smoother landing he might have floated too much and ran out of runway. I'm not up to flying multis yet in my training so I'm just wondering. The fastest thing I've flown is an Arrow so far.
This landing needs to be investigated. Pilot was no where near capturing a glide slope, pitched wildly unsafely, no attempt at a flare, no go around called. Even taxi’d and kept engines running despite an obvious gear failure. I can’t imagine there’s an instructor in the cockpit, almost surely if there was this landing would not have happened. Pilot needs to be investigated.
wow, that was amazing. I used to have a 414, quite an easy airplane to land.
I've never seen a landing like this one before!
FYI, it s a 441 Conquest.
@@user-lg2ls3pl7k yup but very similar airplane/flying characteristics despite the turbines.
I was shocked to read in the incident report that: "The occupants departed CZNL, and flew to Lethbridge Airport (YQL), Alberta, about three hours later, despite the fact that the airplane was damaged."
I really didn't think the aircraft would be leaving CZNL for at least a few days. It was a big surprise when it departed just three hours later!
Amazing catch Sir!
Thanks, this landing was crazy to see!
Having flown into Nelson, I can tell the pilot likely f-ed up the approach early on. It probably started on the downwind leg. Nelson airport is in a narrow valley, and you need to extend the downwind leg up the lake (on a dogleg turning away from the airport) in order to have enough room to descend on the base - final leg. Instead they likely flew a standard circuit pattern, turned in tight on the base leg, came in very high and fast, and then was probably afraid to float down the (short) runway too far to bleed off the airspeed so they smashed it down instead. Didn't work out too well. Classic continuation bias.
In other words, the pilot didn't go-around upon turning final (or even at roundoff/flare) and seeing that the approach was grossly unstabilized, trying it again at the correct airspeed and configuration, beginning no later than the downwind leg instead of tossing judgment to the wind while hoping for a special dispensation from the law of physics.
WoW, I have made some bad landings in my day but this one takes the cake! The pilot forgot to flare. Looked like a no wind day. His descent was a bit too fast. maybe an un-stabilized approach? Also looks like the shimmy damper on the nose gear needs some attention now if it is still attached. Shows how solid the Cessna 441 is. Thanks for posting!
"Un-stabilized approach" if you have ever flown in British Columbia you'd quickly realize that many of the strips here don't allow for that criteria. That being said this landing is terrible.
Just out of curiosity, what criteria. It has been a while but I have landed at CYYF and CYKA. I have a friend who has a float plane at CYKA. If ever a landing attempt becomes un-stabilized I believe a go around should be executed.
It's not that he forgot to flare he just didn't have enough energy, due to lack of airspeed, too much descent rate, or both, for a proper landing.
@@mtnairpilot Maybe so but I am just amazed that it ended okay.
The windsock indicates a moderate tailwind
Awesome footage !!! Huge LIKE
Damn !!!! I've "porpoised" one time, but never like that. He gave that nose gear cardiac arrest !! So much for the "shimmy damper" !!!!!!
The nosegear shimmy is from the strut becoming completely compressed, it happens on pipers also, because it's a free casting nose wheel, it can shimmy if certain loads are exceeded and the strut is compressed. Its NOT damaged. This gear is actually just fine, the tires didnt even blow. It's not as bad as it looks........ I'll tell you though, I dont understand the actions after landing, his single-engine taxi attempt? The Conquest does NOT single-engine taxi.. I dont know what kind of drugs this guy was on, but he was most likely impaired, and/or not knowledgeable of the Conquest.
Do you mean the power of a single engine is not enough to move the airplane?
He shut down the right to inspect the bent prop tips
@@BruceArtwick no it's just the way that particular airplane is designed and how far apart the engines are, they were never meant to single engine taxi the conquest is really a modified Cessna 402
@@bangaloremusic I think you're right, I didn't think about that, Max says they must've had a vibration and thought it propstrike and they wanted to make sure so they didn't damage anything further.
I looked it up though, the aircraft sustain zero damage and is actually on the market right now,
They didn't even do a report of this incident.......
So apparently, nothing was hurt at all, which goes to show you just how amazing that trailing link gear is and I know it's the same gear they put it on the big citations.. big heavy citation jets, so that is pretty damn robust
Pretty good observation my friend, nice job
@@whomitmayconcern It's for sale!? .... where?
Pilot was lucky to get away with that! I assume it was a private owner as if it was a commercial pilot flying they would looking for a new job. That could be a very expensive mistake for the owner.
What an epic catch mate! Liked!
Thanks so much Jelmer!
Love Aviation safety, big congratulations to the cool people at Cessna. Good job !!
Flew one of those for a short period, easiest airplane to land and the trailing main gear is very tough, but not the nose gear .The nose gear on this particular airplane in the video HAS to be inspected, I also counted 8 landings on the nose gear, probably damaged.
Nice, I bet the 441 was a fun aircraft to fly! And the gear must be tough, I really was surprised it didn't fail during this landing. Surprisingly, the aircraft departed CZNL three hours after this landing.
@@TheHDAviation wow !! unreal.
My guy not only flies a completely bogus approach, forces the thing to land, destroys his ass and the plane, he also restarts an engine with a clearly damaged prop to taxi, on that same set of wheels he just completely busted. Hopefully he never touches an aircraft again, he's bound to kill himself and maybe even others.
With a turboprop, is a prop strike considered a sudden stoppage event for the engine? Will the #2 require some additional inspections or maint other than the prop change? Also this is about as close as one can get to a nose landing gear failure and not put the nose on the ground.
I believe this is a free turbine engine (think that's the term) meaning the propeller isn't directly attached to the engine, so the turbine shouldn't have any issues from the impact.
Oh my.. that was terrible, looked like it was gonna crash at first 😨. Spectacular rare catch!
Definitely the craziest landing I've seen, glad it stayed on the runway!
According the flight aware this guy took back off 3 hours after this
Ya, that's what really surprised me. I figured the aircraft would be spending a couple days here at least.
Looking up tracking they flew it back out. No way they had time for a proper inspection.
I have no idea how they departed just three hours later, that's what really shocked me.
That nose gear is toast! Absolutely no doubt! That airplane needs a good inspection before it goes back in the air
Somehow it took off three hours later, I thought it would be spending a few days here.
I would not be surprised if this airplane gets written off. Right hand propeller struck the runway so the right engine is, at the very least, getting overhauled. The nose gear is toast, it's surprising that it didn't collapse, and the main landing gear probably sustained damage. Cessna definitely designed a robust plane, but damage to the wing spar is also a possibility here.
It was pretty shocking to see, and it would be really interesting to hear what damage they found upon inspection. Somehow the aircraft took off from CZNL three hours after this landing.
Ooof! How in the Hell did that landing gear handle that?
Dude, I have no idea. Sheer dumb luck is my guess. Maybe they made that set of gear just a hair thicker, that day.
I have no idea, the 441 must be one solid aircraft!
They tried to flare ! Look at the elevators, they were all the way up at the right time , but the plane just instantaneously dropped .
This could be caused by exiting a heat bubble , or a sudden tailwind .
Or waiting way too late to arrest the sink rate.
@@dannywilliamson3340Nah, his sink rate all the way through short final was way too high.
I’m so thankful that this landing wasn’t one that no one could walk away from
Use to fly the 441 with the Garrett’s what a wonderful airplane to fly. Picked it up after a major Phase inspection and upon the first landing (a greaser I may add) the nose gear collapsed. No indication in cockpit whatsoever. Three green. FBO did their best to try and pin it on PIC however the complete strut and mechanism was sent off for inspection and it was determined a part had been reversed when being reinstalled into the aircraft during the inspection. Sure tore up a beautiful aircraft.
Ouch, that's painful! Were they able to make it airworthy again?
loved this! great share!!!!
Thanks for watching!
So many CZcams video titles are at a minimum somewhat misleading if not full-on clickbate. This one however was not the case. Hard landing? Oh yeah! Great capture... nice work.
Thanks, this one was pretty crazy to see. By far the hardest landing I have ever witnessed.
Second touchdown, right prop looks like it contacts the runway, big puff of grit. A second or two later you hear a very audible scrape. It would also explain the strange shutdown of the right engine, so the pilots could check for damage.
damn unbelievable what that landing gear put up with! I guarantee you thought they wouldn't be able to handle the pressure, he'll have to pay for repairs to the landing gear.. congratulations on the record
look at the elevator all pulled out just moments from touching the runway, it was probably a stol, even though the descent ramp was high the speed was relatively low
This one was crazy to see, I've never witnessed a landing like that before. I really didn't think the gear was going to cope with the pressure!
Was this due to some type of wind-shear? or just pilot error?
I have a couple/few hundred hours PIC (mostly single-pilot) in the CE-441 Conquest II (i.e., w/the Garrett TPE engines, same as this one) along with many dozens of landings and takeoffs, going in and out of various fairly short, unpaved or paved runways in Alaska with full payloads the summer of 2015 during a part-time charter gig between an air-ambulance job and my current B737 freighter job. The 441 is a very powerful, fast and capable airplane, particularly in single-engine operations, normally providing jet-like SE climb performance making it a relatively easy, relatively simple twin-engine airplane to manage, thanks to its high power-to-weight ratio. I’d much rather have an engine failure at maximum gross weight on a hot day in the 441 than an engine failure in a Piper Navajo Chieftain (PA-31-350) with half-full tanks and no payload, any day or night. While the 441 is one of the all-out fastest cabin-class twin-turboprops around, it does slow-flight exceedingly well; it is highly capable with short field operations, for both landing and takeoff, thanks to all that power and a capable airfoil design. Legend has it that Cessna discontinued production so as not to compete with its then new, more pricy, slightly faster (in cruise) Citation jet more than 40 years ago.
This landing incident is due purely to pilot incompetence. I see an occupant in the right (“copilot”) seat; I must assume this is a passenger and not a qualified pilot. There was no excuse for the continuation of this unstabilized approach, resulting in the hard landing. That stated, upon examination of the slow-motion version of the video multiple times, the truly painful part of this viewing experience follows the initial touchdown (or, slam-down). Initially, the sturdy trailing-link main gear absorbs the energy well, with the fairly delicate nose wheel assembly taking a directly vertical hit in a near-flat attitude. This is harsh, but nowhere nearly abusive as what follows.
PIO: Pilot Induced Oscillation. This would be expected of a student pilot learning how to land. Following the excessive sink rate and excessively steep descent angle, the pilot fails to flare soon enough, is surprised by the impact and pulls back to “arrest”, but it’s simply too late; impact has already occurred. The wings still have flying speed because the approach was flown too fast, indicating a lack of slow-flight skill in this airplane (likely fear of flying it too slow, i.e., ignorance of flight characteristics), in addition to lack of planning and overall management for this apparently short runway with a tailwind (note the foreground windsock at the start). The unfortunate airplane recommences flight (because that’s what airplanes do when there’s too much airpspeed for landing), the pilot reacts by pushing the nose down… and this time the nosegear upper-section is HAMMERED down upon the fork and wheel assembly, abusing and potentially breaking the downlock brace; pilot is surprised again, pulls back and rebounds, pushes forward again and BAM goes the nose-gear, again stressing the downlock brace, then a third time where the audio seems to pick up the bang of the nose-gear assembly’s oleo-strut (shock-absorber) slamming home; for a total of seven lessening impacts, finally neutralizing with deceleration. Had the nose gear downlock brace collapsed, I roughly estimate a USD $1,000,000 repair bill for engines and propellers, etc. That’s likely an underestimate.
Note the coincidence of nose-wheel shimmy with entry into reverse thrust (the propeller blades are angled back, pushing air forward). Deceleration in general, and reverse thrust in particular, intensify the load upon the nosewheel. Note the elevator’s (horizontal tail-plane control surface) mostly downward deflection, indicating little or no nose-up input from the pilot indicating little-to-no appreciation for alleviating load upon the nosewheel assembly during deceleration (the control yoke is more-or-less forward). This shows me that the pilot lacks general airmanship skill or awareness. Overall grade: A ...for Atrocious/Appalling/Abusive.
I forgot to mention that this is a classic example of an "unstabilized approach" and how it manifests. A pilot with commensurate experience and competence for such an airplane would have recognized this state well before short-final, gone around and set up for a proper, stabilized approach. When in doubt, when it's not right, GO AROUND-do it again, correctly. If it's broken, don't try to fix it. Go around until you have it right, or go somewhere else with a big runway and no mountains nearby. ADM: aeronautical decision making; good to look at, lotsa CZcams videos on the subject.
That has to hurt! Incredible that nose gear didn't fold. I imagine there was considerable airframe and gear damage after that....? I imagine the tower charged him for six touch and go's 😂😞
I'm impressed that nothing folded. I flew right seat in a 404 Titan a few times - a landing like that would've been cause for a check ride.
That is the same thing that happened to me when I was coming back on my first XC solo. It has to be the most terrifying experience that I have ever experienced. I am surprised that I walked away injury-free and the plane was alright. Future flight students, make sure you all memorize the go-around procedures because it will save your life.
Perfect capture my friend😀 very nice video😀 Greetings from Japan
Thanks so much my friend!
What the hell such a perfect approach to have a landing like that.
He should have made a go-around at about a 150 feet above the ground. He was never stabilized for the approach. Am I wrong in thinking that the runway is too short to operate a 441 into and out of?
How many landings is the pilot going to log?
Does the airport require a one-way landing? Why was he landing with tailwind?
Do you now know if the pilot is still allowed to fly?
Gotta love that trailing link gear.
OUCH! I can't believe that plane stayed together. That's one tough Cessna.
They sure must be a solid aircraft!
Just curious, what could be the reason the pilot landed like that ?
Very nice video
WTF, a prime example of a low time pilot flying a complex twin. He Fckd up that nose wheel really well, probably cracked those wing spars while he was at it.