This Latest EV CRIME WAVE will END THE FUTURE of ELECTRIC CARS! ACTUAL VIDEO EVIDENCE
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2022
- This latest EV Crime Wave signals the end for Electric Cars. A New craze that's taking the EV charging infrastructure network by storm. It's been kept quiet up until now as the Electric Car manufacturers don't want you to know about this. I have actual video evidence of a crime that was committed at an EV charging station in the UK. The footage will shock you!
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Theft of copper cables has always been a "profession" for a section of society who prefer to travel around.
There will be a lot of high quality copper in those cables to take the current.
£50 per cable, 20 cables a night equals £1000 per night. £5000 per week, approx £200K per year. That is why they are doing it.
Yes that's more money than you will make at McDonald's 😅😅😅😅😅
right mr snobby, if you say so.
Like in the classic Cher song?
People who like to 'travel around' and pollute parks and school playing fields with their rubbish, sounds almost like 'travelers' ( or pikeys, or tinkers ).
That's how bl*cks roll.
I am a retired copper and we had a permanent site for traveller community (a bit of an oxymoron) they only built it next to the euro star/tunnel special metals depot I.e minerals for train brakes etc. they were confused as to how it was happening. We pointed out that it was probably the neighbour and the local authority laid into us about stereotypes anyway I am sure you won’t be surprised to hear that they indeed were involved.
Funny you should mention stereotyping. Do not mention 'local authority' to me. They are all morons!
Did you graciously accept their apology?
I'm ex-railway. Gypsy gangs were (and still are) regularly involved in cable theft from trackside cable toughing. They'll nick both aluminium and copper power cables and weigh it all in at dodgy scrap merchants.
Theft of EV charging cables doesn't surprise me one bit. It was always going to happen.
...retired copper..pun intended.😂
Here in the US it is the Meth heads that are stealing all of the copper.
It’s not a craze as such, it’s thieves that the police and law can’t or won’t do anything about.
Plug the car into the charger and not the charger into the car. Pretty simple solution
Unless your a Christian engaged in silent prayer then the police will arrest you and persecute for being a Christian.
They'll then protect Muslim Rape Gangs and visit the local mosque learning how to pray on a holy prayer matt.
if they have to do their job and investigate crime they wont be able to attend the trans/ blm/ and gay rights fests n dances...
@goofyfoot2001 did you not watch the video? The charging car got it's wires cut while charging. This would cost the driver and not the ev station.
Well you can't stop and search someone walking around with 20 charging cables draped over their shoulder if they're the wrong demographic, and the country is flooded with people who came here on the promise of well paid jobs, who have no choice but to turn to crime in order to survive. I believe that crime is all about the root cause and the root cause is not the people committing crime.
I was at a hotel in Oregon last year, everyone was parked in the ev charging station because the city made it mandatory to have them and stole all of their parking, there were at least 30 charging stalls so the city stole 30 spaces from their parking lot, the manager told us to park there because we couldn't find a spot. He said they were rarely used so once again, government screws up everything.
Battery cars are only the immediate future. The government will wait for the optimum moment then they will absolutely screw battery car owners over via toll charges, limited recharging infrastructure and/or taxes. Keep your 60/70,000 pounds plus in your pockets and enjoy internal combustion vehicles while you can.
Rip Van Winkle. There is talk here in the UK of a ban on private car ownership within a few years.
@@peterkirton4580 I reckon that's where we're heading yes. I think it will take the form of extortionate fuel prices, massive road tax hikes and a 'shortage' of available vehicles, all of which will put car ownership out of the reach of the working man.
As an aside, I keep hearing rumours that our wonderful government are planning to extend the MOT period to every alternate year rather than the current yearly requirement, any thoughts on what their devious reasoning is because you can bet your life it's not for the motorists benefit.
Regardless, we'll get screwed over by government anyway.
This is going to happen after all think of the loss of revenue from petrol and diesel sales when every one is electric . Thats of course if there is any electric which there wont be if there is not a lot more power stations built .
Spot on
When EV's were first introduced, this was one of my very first questions. No one could believe I asked the question, well there you have it😒
Plot twist: Paul is a copper thief
Each super charger point has about 100kg of copper in it and I have been wondering when they will try to steal the whole charging point. Tie something round it, tow it away....
how many catalytic converters are stolen?
@@whocares264 good question! They're probably worth more than a 2nd hand EV 😆
Unbelievable! One of the things I'm a bit concerned about (having charged in some very isolated places at 2 a.m.!) is the inability to 'escape' if a gang of thugs descends on the car, while I'm in it! For obvious reasons, I can't drive off whilst still plugged in. The only way would be to get out and remove the charging plug. At least in a petrol / diesel car, you can start it up and attempt to escape.
Don't buy an EV. Simple!
Lol. Yea bc that happens all the time.
A piece of advice. A victim mentality will attract predators. If you’re scared get a get and nut up.
Simple solution to you problem.Start carrying a 44 magnum buddy welcome to the real world! Heck even a lil 380 will do the trick!!!
Also with gas you can spray it on them if they try and attack you , like that one dude in a video where they pulled up trying to mug him and they immediately tried to get away 🤣 with electric, you can't do anything except swing the Tesla charger at them or hope Teslas AI somehow activates Transformer mode and Go in Defense Mode🤣
@@cesarduranbenitez5126" Buttigieg and Biden also slipped into the infrastructure bill a requirement for all automobiles to be fitted by the manufacturer with a "kill switch" which enables an outside third party to disable your vehicle if they believe you are driving erratically. Just imagine how this could be abused. You own your car, but some one else has the power to disable it. What could possibly go wrong or be abused there?
Copper being nicked by villains makes a change from villains being nicked by a Copper!😂
I'm an electrician & fit EV charge points. I warn all customers about potential charge lead theft if they are considering a tethered unit. This isn't a "craze" it's been going on for donkeys years in various forms. The "travelling community" love a bit of wire (other brands of theives are available)
How funny, this guy in the video tolerates the many defects with his EV and soon will have to carry around a shitload of different charging cables to mate up with the various chargers! In the meantime, the UK electrical grid is being overtaxed, politicians won’t upgrade the grid and yet they still push these EV problems!
@@Red-Raider the main issue is the demand for cages. Theres plenty of ways to use less power and lithium, EUCs and e-motorcycles. Much less lithium, much less strain on the grid, and traffic jams would literally vanish worldwide.
Bonus is EUCs can go on public transit(if only the cheap china ones would stop catching on fire due to sh1t designs).
Keep in mind most microplastics come from tires so we gotta switch away from full size vehicles.
@Noname3 days ago
Only a retard would use an EUC, I was carefully coming out of a car park when all of a sudden a bell-end on one of those thing suddenly appeared from behind a van on the wrong side of the road with a light on the front of it about 6 inches off the floor? EB & EUC Should not be allowed on the road without Tax, insurance, and a road worthy certificate.
@@Red-Raider Politicians are the biggest bunch of dullards around. When have any of them fixed any issues in society. They are the ones who cause all the issues because they are incompetent and dont have a clue what they are doing.
@@0xsergy Most people don't want to switch from full size vehicles as you put it. You need a vehicle that can carry the kids and shopping and get you to where you need to go efficiently , reliably and safely. I dont know what an EUC is and motorcycles are dangerous and i dont know anyone who would give up a car for a motorcycle. In Australia motorcycles are involved in more accidents because other motorists dont see them and they are small and dangerous to the rider.
Fun fact, fast chargers lower the effective life of your batteries, I'm a trained Technician (Former Tesla) And can tell you they are bad to use.
Yeah, fast charging means more heat to dissipate quickly, makes for unhappy and unhealthy batteries.
All ev's are junk.
Batteries don't like the cold either.
My standard range M3 doesn’t get anywhere near 250 miles.
@@Brian-om2hh Which uses the battery to heat the battery.
The same thing happens here in Canada. Not only do they steal the cables on EV chargers but they also go into Apartment complexes enter the electrical closets on each floor and steal the large copper grounding cables that go through each floor. Copper prices are worth the chance of being caught I guess.
For the home charging, the combination of "you're supposed to charge outside" (thermal runaway risk) and cable theft will make for an "interesting" solution. My guess is it will add yet another extra cost to using an EV, saying nothing of the insurance costs.
The video I Ioved was where the guy pulled into a man's driveway and hooked up to charge. The resident told him it was not a public charging station and told him to leave. He said he would leave as soon as it was charged because it was dead and he couldn't move it!
Not a problem you would have with a gas car, but then there is the problem of siphoning...
I'm not worried about the cables, I'm concerned with personal safety while waiting hours for a charge. Charging stations will be rich targets for criminals.
First of all it doesn't take hours to fill your car at a fast charger and second, my uncle had a petrol station for 30 years en had 10 hold up's every year... so not so sure petrol stations are that safer...
@@FredjeFriet Right, a 30 to 60 min charge at a quick charge station, if you can find one. However, fast chargers degrade your battery faster. When Biden bans fossil fuel, where is the power going to come from?
Charging a ev will never be as qwick as filling up with fuel you will have ques of cars waiting to charge and what about people with caravans they will be blocking up space even more
@@FredjeFriet Where did your uncle live Kabul.
@@FredjeFriet Petrol stations can be a bit safer if you get in and out quickly and chose your times and areas wisely.
And it only takes less than 5 minutes to fill a petrol car and your on the motorway again.
What signals the end for electric cars is the fact that green power grids can't produce enough electricity to meet current power demands, much less all the additional power needed to run millions of electric vehicles. Many people in Europe and Great Britain face the very real possibility of freezing to death in the coming winter because the governments have whole-heartedly forced green energy schemes on their populations. California has been suffering through rolling blackouts this week, telling people not to run their appliances or charge their electric vehicles. What the hell good is an electric car if there isn't enough power to charge it? We have an entire generation that has been lied to and propagandized by the zealots in the Green movement. I noticed that Barack Obama purchased a multi-million dollar home on Martha's Vineyard, quite close to the Atlantic Ocean. That should tell you all you need to know about climate change being an existential threat to humanity. Given all the hysteria we've been forced to endure over the last 30 years about rising sea levels, Martha's Vinyard, as well as the entire American east coast, should have been inundated a decade ago. The point is that saving the planet isn't the objective - it's about globalist elites taking control of the lives of ordinary people while not making the same sacrifices they will require everyone else to make. But when you have to stop driving, only run your appliances when it's permitted, and set your air conditioning to 80 F. degrees in the summer and 60 F. in the winter, you can be damned sure the people who are forcing you to live like that won't have to alter their own lifestyles one damned bit. Anyone up for building a bunch of nuclear power plants?
You nailed it! 100 percent agree.
If you people would do what the elites and the WEF tells you to do they wouldn't have to make these laws!!!
Now eat some bugs so I can enjoy my lobster lunch!!!
😂
😂😂😂 I warned of this years ago. The question is, why wouldn't thieves steal the valuable copper?
Thanks for the vid, and well done on dragging it out for as long as you could.
I'm from SA and normal grid power cables get swipped over here leaving areas in the dark most times. At the moment the market is trying their best to get government to reduce the high tax on EV imports so that our market can start selling EVs, but it sounds like they are in for a surprise when the cables disappear faster than they can be rolled out.
Quite the ball-ache
He dragged it out to over 10 minutes to make more money from ads, in case someone was wondering.
@@dtz1000 ah, that’s why. I was getting really annoyed. Couldn’t watch it to the end.
Don't they also steal traffic lights in SA? And railway rails?
Is this planet earth?
@@carom3597 Me neither . Went to comments section after 3 minutes to find out what the vid. was about and never went back to the video .
@@dtz1000Thankyou , I didn't know that .
Sorry to hear you’ve got thieves in England just as we have in the states. During the recent hurricane in Florida a problem with electric cars has surfaced. Apparently salt water blown by the hurricane got into the batteries of some electric cars and caused it to catch on fire. Fire department arrived and attempted to put out the fire. Used thousands of gallons of water, batteries just kept on reigniting. Burned the house to the ground. Even caught on fire again as it was being towed away on a flatbed. Can’t imagine what homeowners insurance will cost once insurers catch wind of the fact there’s an electric car on the property.
They are having problems in China with EV bikes catching fire.
I know it's not hurrican related, but if you look up how bad the problem is in china, you would think twice about even having an EV bike in your home too
You can't use water on these batteries. They can violently explode. You use dry chemical transference. Like a dry nitrogen extinguisher. These cars are bad news.
The insurance company may end up requiring a separate enclosure for an ev apart from the house. That along with the cost of a separate charger install to quick charge at home , plus paying to charge at other quick charge stations, and the initial costs of the vehicles being so high seems like it will always be to expensive for me. Even without the separate enclosure.
Salt water corrodes anything metal in the EVs causing electrical shorts then poof, up in flames. Tesla's in Florida we're catching fire days AFTER the storm passes. It time several times more water and more man power to extinguish an EV fire than a normal car fire. Then the EVs often times reignite bc of a compromised battery. Then special precautions have to be taken when hauling the melted piece of scrap away and even how it is handled at the scrap yard. They have even had EV recognitions at scrap yard days after they were hauled in.
It is all insanity. electric shit that doesnt work properly when its cold, when they come in contact with water. Then the increasing number of batteries in garages that overheat or overcharge and catch fire. Like you say insurers will increase the cost of policies or refuse to insure electric cars or storage batteries in people's garages.
We all know what 'community ' is involved in this, but as usual they'll get away with it.
Keep paying your taxes everyone!
I think we should break a few bones, don't you, they just might then get the message.
Gypsies?
The upperclass community?
Pikeys
Fire worshippers?
Had a friend stay with out of state relatives for about a month. When he got back he discovered that all of the copper wiring and pipes had been ripped out of his house. Also catalytic converter theft has been a huge problem near me for years. It doesn't seem like much money to you but for a junkie looking to get a fix, it's everything.
This act is happing for years. My mom back in Jamaica keeps loosing her landline connection because they keep chopping out the phone lines that they run on the poles along the road. Really messed up
The travelers site is a few hundred yards up the hill from Porsche - not implying anything, but we had cars done on masse, on a regular basis while we were based in that area. CCTV proof of perpetrators but no official follow-up ...
You are exactly implying something else why would you mention it ?
Is that like saying "I'm not racist but..."?
@@nicksellors if he’s stating a fact what’s the problem
@@Trig672 and therein lies the problem. If he'd said "there's a black man living around the corner" would that be ok in your logic?
They tried to rip off the charge point at my son in-laws house not the cable the whole thing.
@@peterwright9546 who's "they" ?
There's a fair amount of copper in those leads Lee, as the charger delivers a lot of current to the vehicle. The higher the current (measured in amps), the fatter the cable (copper) needs to be to allow that current to flow safely to prevent overheating of the cable.
Anyone with half a brain could see this coming a few years ago.
@@ronskancke1489 Unfortunately that rules out most of those that set policy.
The cables are liquid cooled so that thinner cables can be used. If the proper gauge cables for the current was used, you wouldn't be able to bend the leads. The home level 2 chargers are just straight copper as they're only about 6 kw anyways, it's the fast 50 to 150 kw chargers that carry a lot of current and those are all liquid cooled.
How much is the copper worth in one of these cables?
This whole EV craze will absolutely blow up in our faces and I can't wait for the problems we will have caused then, with no other immediate options.
What about those "smart" meters the evil corporations or the enviro-wackos forced onto us? What happens when China shows that they can hack into them and shut off your power, or does anybody have a more plausible scenario?
As designed.
That is the intent.
It’ll never blow up in our faces… technology advances at alarming rates. By 2029 you’ll start seeing solid state batteries powering sets, relieving battery degradation, improving range and it’ll perform better in both warm and cold climates.
The same issues some people face today are no different to the issues when cars first came to the roads.
Expensive, not that reliable, not many serviceable roads, fuel stations weren’t what they are today.
In 50 to a hundred years, people will laugh at such comments.
Whether people like it or not electric will be powering cars going forward. Be it battery based or hydrogen. My betting will be batteries, because convenience of charging at home will out way the need to go to dedicated fuel stations.
The best thing anyone can do is not to buy electric cars at all then car manufacturers will be stuck with a glut of useless vehicles they cannot get rid of. Governments will then have to give in to people still wanting to buy petrol powered cars
I used to be a plumber, and the company I used to work for mainly did new construction in Los Angeles, California. On more than one occasion we'd had people come into the homes being built and steal the copper water lines we'd installed, and these scumbags didn't care if they had to cause tens of thousands of dollars damage to get at little bit of copper that all they were going to get was the price of scrap. Not only is it the scumbags who steal the copper that piss me off, but it's the scrap industry as well because they know damn well when they see those bent up pipes that those people stole that pipe because it's all shiny and new looking copper, and who would be throwing out the amounts of pipe these thieves are bringing in to sell?
Happened to a house near me, the owner had passed away and his girlfriend was selling off the house, someone broke in and stole a small amount of copper pipe and flooded the house.
Same with catalytic converters. The ones buying them are just as guilty as the ones who steal them. Unless you have proof that it is from your own car, it should be illegal to sell.
As a retired sheet metal ,, I miss the the good old days coming to the
Jobsite to find police there
The gang boxes gone or emptied of tools
Containers cut open ,,copper pipe gone,
That was so great working in L.A.
Lost time ,
In the UK now when you take scrap to a scrap yard you have to have id and they don't pay you cash on the spot it has to be paid into a bank account. I'm under no illusions that there are ways around that but it's a start. And those leads are not being stolen for scrap the work you have to do to take the copper out doesn't match the money you would get. You said they get£70-£80 for the scrap yet your being told it's up to £100.000 worth of damage. How does that even make any sense. You hit the nail on the head when you said they would have to put the charging stations behind locked gates. Control
In American cities the theft of car radio/CD/ sound systems has been serious for 50 years. Drug users steal them by breaking windows, to sell them at pawn and???shops for pennies on the dollar. And the shop owners don't know?
I'm staggered why this guy sounds surprised, I have been saying this ever since they announced the ban on ice cars. Copper cables have been stolen from the rail network for decades, the thieves who do this literally can't believe their luck.
I really am surprised you have not heard about this before. They also will smash their way into your car to take your charging cable. This has been happening for years, it's the crime replacing catalytical converters, because they are so much easier to steal. Which is great because we can drive our ICE cars and not worry about them so much anymore.
Also they cause battery anxiety which is bad for mental health. Also capacity plummets with low temps. To replace a battery costs 20k minimum. Also Ev pollute the environment from lithium mining
I could see this happening the first time l saw EV vehicles enter the market.
Sady there are certain people in society who almost feel it is their right to help themselves to anyone's property for financial gain without any consideration for other people's well being let alone their own.
Has this not been the case throughout millennium.
Taxation is the ultimate form of people helping themselves to our property..
I can't belive no one saw this coming with all of the copper thefts that have been going on since time began.
It was only a matter of time before this started. I talked about this happening when electric cars started to become more and more popular
This is a cascading failure, to avoid gas thefts attendants were required, to boost profits minimarts were added, armed shoplifters are robbing the profits requiring more and more security...
These leads should now be aluminum.
Contrary to what many think.
Copper wiring is , plated with copper ,used once again in housing.
Mark the wires with a large message as aluminum on the our side.
copper wiring in houses Twin & earth is solid copper and not plated.
I'm in Cottonwood AZ . And in our Home Depot. There is copper coated aluminum the strand. Romax. I also know they have forever sold panel boxes for unknown reason to me. Said to be nor to code.
This is being installed in new construction.
I'm sure your right . But it's going on.
@@Brian-om2hh "They have no cable, so you use your own instead. The theft issue just goes away."
Oh right, and they won't steal your cable.... because it belongs to you and not the garage.....and they are honest thieves....I see....
Im more concerned about the fire risks of EVs and depreciation along with being coralled into buying one. EVs are best for cities as the range on last long distance journies and lack of charging points are lacking.
If they use insulated cutters, they won't get a shock and if they cut the upper portion first, they halve the shock risk. I'm sure these criminals know this anyway, hence the lack of injured bodies... It all adds up to increased security though and this will cost lots of money.
I used to collect copper cable on reels from a depot in Manchester, to take to a recycling plant in north allerton. I was told that if I didn't have enough driving time to get to destination, I wasn't allowed off site! I had 4 large reels worth about 60 grand each! The local scum would send their kids in and cut it up and throw it across the river to the adults, who stripped off the plastic, to weigh in the bare copper! Security called the police, and unfortunately a police officer died due to stab wounds! As you can imagine, I didn't feel safe sleeping onsite, so I just ran over my hours for safety! No One wanted the contract, I told my boss, and fairplay, he pulled me out! But yes, copper can be expensive, depends on the grade! That's why it's pinched! Very easy money!
Correct me if I'm wrong but I would think there is a considerable weight of copper in a fast charge cable in order to be able to manage the high amperage that would be drawn. I think I'm also right in saying copper is worth good money now so I'm not surprised by this.
Yes, it must be quite a heavy cable like a welding cable, and as I write this, copper is going for about $3.55 USD per pound. That's the spot price, so a scrap dealer will probably pay 2.50 or 3 dollars a pound. Still, a shitty thing to do. Destroy a such an expensive machine for 30 or 40 dollars worth of copper, though to just replace the cable probably costs a few grand or so.
A few dollars of copper for a heavy electric cable that costs $ 65-150 to replace..
Plus a but of Hate on the EV owners for having something they can't afford by the low-class thieves..
@@aaronhumphrey2009 Find a way to leave the cable core live at 500V. That will deter the shite.
You are correct on both counts. Copper is worth a lot of money, it always has been. As time goes buy (in the not too distant future) it will become even more valuable and equally, it will become a scarce commodity in direct response to it’s high demand. The exploration by major mining companies are already underway, to hopefully meet the “expected demand”.
The theft of electric cars are already becoming a huge problem for their owners and of course their insurance companies. Most are stolen for their valuable contents, that being their electric motors and of secondary importance the valuable expensive batteries. The insurance premiums will also be very expensive, for obvious reasons. I will keep my 1979 Mercedes Benz and my 1990 Ford F-150 4 Wheel Drive. I’m not in the least bit interested in spending my hard earned money on these useless vehicles, which are overrated and over priced. 😊👍👍
@@brianwalker1933 Your not wrong Brian, on all accounts. Electric is fine for Milk Floats delivering Milk quietly through the night. Not that many people use a Milk man these days.
In New Zealand we had a similar problem with theives cuttting copper earth cables of power poles. They know how to handle live wires as noone has been killed yet. A change in the law requireing recycling companies to get ID has significantly slowed the copper theft.
Ireland has introduced ID laws for recycling metals. Has helped, but not totally eliminated it.
8:40 - Just to give you an interesting little anecdote - My uncle (RIP Uncle Terry!) was an electrician in new-builds in the 80's/90/s and at the end of every day he'd collect up all the trimmings & wiring off-cuts - and that night his wife stripped out all the copper from those cuttings
The employers didn't mind him taking home the small box of useless cuttings either
But, every year the money he made *JUST* from stripping out that copper, completely paid for the whole family of 4, to have 2-weeks in Spain on Holiday, ALL PAID FOR - BY COPPER SCRAPS !
Hi Lee I’ve worked in the rail industry for the past 14 years ( just retired) and the amount of signalling cable we have had nicked over the years runs into millions of £ , smart water and burying cables has eased this . Because of this I did forecast this would be an issue with EV chargers especially at home locations , but didn’t shout about it as it’s normally done by organised gangs ( mostly east European ) but local toe tags will soon pick up on this unfortunately
if you are dumb enough to let them into your country, pay the price..
I predicted this month's ago and was shot down by a nice gentleman who had no idea. The thieves have been cutting cables on the railways for years so this is easy meat. Once the insulation is stripped off it's just copper cable, no identifying marks and at current (pun intended) prices it's well worth the risk of a comparatively
"slight" shock.
@@howardchambers9679 Hi from australia, this weekend, the local Tesla, and generic charge station, had all cables cut off..they deleted 8 charge stations...
Government take note , just keep welcoming east Europeans here without background checks.
@@tigerteff015 stop them doing it and you give the Ir*sh gets a free rein.
Shame it wasn't switched on.... Some Darwin Award candidate locally was killed chopping a live railway feed cable with an axe.. He was a lot brighter, but only briefly !!
🤣🤣🤣
He wasn't a bright spark for long.
If the dead thief has any family they should be made to pay for the damage he caused. If by some chance they're not disease riddled junkies they should be made to 'donate' their surplus organs.
I stole battery cables when I was a vandal teenager from a junkyard. Snip, snip with small boltcutters. They were worth $1 each in the 1970s, made big money!
Well, a reality check. Only wealthy folk can afford to waste their money on electric cars…… poor people are desperate to survive
Hello from Toronto. EV’s just make me shake my head in wonderment at how gullible some people are. The entire system is not ready and there’ll be lots of ongoing problems.
And here I am and thought Toronto is just up with other developed countries when it comes to technology but by your comment I have assume your still some that's behind with EVs. Because the card we have here in Ireland are brilliant and work great. Superb fun to drive as well.
And there are no "on going" problems with Internal combustion cars... The frickin' planet is on fire bud!
Hi, I'm from Toronto and bought an EV last October and 100% satisfied. I charge at home usually once a week that only costs $20 a month. Plus enough charging stations in all of Ontario with no issues. A full charge can get 485 KM so I enjoy driving all over the GTA and to The Falls. What are the on going problems?? I have been driving my EV for 10 months with no issues.
Funny how people used to think about cars when they first came out, that horses wouldn't be replaced, yet here we are with I C E powered cars that needed infrastructure. Small thinking leads to no progression. At least we won't have to wait for the car to be invented, that part is already proven.
@@nelsonoliveira1007 - well, for one congrats on charging up your electric vehicle with coal burning plants that provide the electricity for you. Wow! You are sure saving the planet aren’t you? 🤣😂🤣
This has been a thing in the States for a long time now. Tales of entire Tesla Supercharger sites having the cables stolen. As soon as Tesla replace them all, they're nicked again. Due to the high flow in these cables, there is a actually quite a lot of copper in them, and they are expensive. Companies have appeared overnight who provide replacement cables (up to £200) or repair charging cables - it's looking like big business!
Could the machines release a red dye if cut.
i wonder if the people who are replacing them have others nicking them to keep business going?
@@bernardcharlesworth9860 thats a great idea. Have a high pressure pipe down the middle of the cable, when ruptured when the cable is cut it sprays traceable red die everywhere. Shame for the car plugged in, but it won't have to happen many times and have the scrappies have to refuse the copper before the craze dies.
@@carfleet6703 If it is pressurized(liquid) it would also be stiff to rigid. It would have to be filledwith a low air pressure (like a dry building fire sprinkler system). Once the line is breached & (monitor) air pressure falls off: a valve dumps the high pressure dye into the line. Good idea though.
Copper theft has been a big problem in the US for decades , especially breaking into and gutting the electrical from factories and businesses that have heavy equipment.
The best answer is to change the laws so that cutting a cable of any kind is a felony with a 10 year minimum no parole sentence ... same thing for stealing catalytic converters.
The first thing anyone from my country thought when they were told about EV and cable charging was:
I bet you the Gypsies will cut & steal the cables. (We have a lot issues with “them”)
It's time for scrap yards to get raided and tougher jail terms for the people .. scrap metal dealers have signed up to voluntary measures which has pushed for the requirement of photo ID from someone selling metal .. This shouldn't be voluntary it should be mandatory with jail term for dealers if they are caught with the goods.. a charge cable is 3-4Kg of copper which is worth 10-12 pounds is it really worth your life to cut one of these ? - Darwin award winners all of them !!
You can cut it live with ceramic shears or insulated cutters no problem.
It soon shuts off the power with all the rcd's in the unit.
Hit the emergency stop then cut it.
20 pounds actually
Unfortunately this has been a problem here in the US. Especially in financially challenged areas. I’m not knowledgeable of the UK but when people were on holiday there air conditioning units were scrapped for their high amounts of copper. This was mostly linked to drug addiction sadly.
In Germany public chargers up to 22 kw have no cable attached.
I've seen reports of schools and churches getting the copper stripped out of their air conditioning units overnight.
They nick the boilers over here, if your property is empty for a while or if you live in a high rise flat and they know your moving out, they'll cut your boiler out and they don't care about any floods, sometimes it floods down 2 floors. It's disgusting. I know someone who's had water damaged stuff because someone nicked the boiler in the apartment above him.
Here in California, it is trendy to steal catalytic converters out of gas cars.
Lol! “Financially Challenged “. You must be a liberal! It is called poverty stricken, or inner city, or crime ridden!
Challenge for you.
You drive your EV from Dover to Pickering in Yorkshire in October, B&B 11 miles out, drive into Pickering Friday, Saturday and return to B&B then return to Dover via Pickering Sunday, how many times do you have to charge and costs and time of journey back to Dover. l do the same journey in a Diesel MK5 Ford Mondeo, full tank around £80 at then £1.69 Ltr. journey either way 51/2 hours, still have a week's running around on the same tank full, NEVER will buy an electric car and those who do, have, will soon find them more expensive unless the government prices off the road.
Love watching your programs keep them coming.
In the year 1900 in the U.S. nearly 40% of the cars were electric. Wonder why they gave up on them?
Romanian gangs are the ones that take the cables from the railways, telecoms and electric. They also do the catalytic converters so they either have dodgy scrapyards or they move it abroad. They actually stole drain covers from a whole area not that long ago and all the trolleys from the local B&Q.
And who do they sell it too? not shipping it all back to Romania! or did you mean Rom, i.e. Travellers?
@@robcherry6734 no I meant Romanian, obviously they have scrapyards that don't ask questions or it's taken abroad. No honest scrappie would touch a van load of catalytic converters or lengths of utility cables. The gypos don't even touch that kind of scrap because they can't shift it.
Eastern Europeans stealing copper and metal? Who would have thought it! You will be telling me that they are into sex trafficking next!
@@Graham-1888 Burning off the insulation makes it saleable as copper
we had some people take copper wiring from a house a mile away from me years ago thing is as they were doing it the house blew up not sure if they were injured or not but they wern't there but they did discover that copper wiring had been pinched
Yes here in the States they've been stealing copper wire cables of different types for years, and they sell it to metal recyclers (oh the irony) for decent money with no questions asked for the most part. Until this video it did not occur to me that this could end up being a problem. Trust me, once the charging station infrastructure starts to grow here in the States, the thieves will have a field day with it.
A future of all electric cars will have to be a future of about 90% less automobiles and no jet travel.
I'm in the States but have read that in some European countries the EV owner has his own cable to connect to the charger to get around this issue. I've wondered if having a SS braided sleeve over the cable might be a solution? In one article they said cable theft/vandalism was non-existent when cameras were present.
I bought a foreclosed home once and the former residents had pulled most of the electric wiring out of the house to sell the copper. There is no risk of these thieves getting electrocuted because these charge cables include a control cable. No power is sent unless the control cables and the main computer in the charge station send the proper signal, so it's just like removing wires from a panel with the main circuit breaker flipped. This is a safety neccesity. Having security systems in place would be an easy way to alleviate the decay of Western Civilization. It wouldn't be hard to have an alarm system installed that immediately alerts police. At some point they are going to have to manage these charge stations like gas stations and always have staff onsite with a full security system. Companies aren't doing that now because of the high infrastructure cost of putting up these stations and the theoretical low cost of upkeep by making them self managed. Until more recently, charge stations have been in lower crime neighborhoods, but that is obviously changing as EV adoption expands both by government force and voluntary adoption. Whatever security system they put in place, that cost will be born by EV consumers just as the cost of fixing broken cables already is. I'm also interested to see when governments will finally stop subsidizing EV owners and start changing tax laws to ensure that EV owners are actually paying for road infrastructure. In the US atleast, most of state and federal road infrastructure is paid for with an excise tax on gasoline that EV owners don't pay. More states will have to start using toll roads and adding a tax to charge station usage to pay for road repairs as more people switch to EVs.
I think you meant "alleviate" and not "elevate".
My thought is that the charging industry will do one of two things: (1) They will switch to carbon nanotubes instead of copper, because these can conduct electricity, and/or (2) Those wanting to charge at a public station will need to have their own cables that will plug in on both ends, one end to the vehicle, one end to the charging station. The first option will eliminate those wanting to steal the cable for its copper content, the second option would eliminate the cable at the charging station completely. My bet is on the second option.
Even if you use your own cable and you leave your vehicle unattended for a while which could be a few hours till it charges, when you come back your cable may not be there! This is a huge issue!
@@jerryg50 Yes, but then it's on YOU. And if you haven't figured it out by now, that's how government wants it, ON YOU and not on them... Why should the power station put up with it, they'll say "you shouldn't leave your car unattended while charging". Make you buy your own cable, their problem is now your problem...
Another option is to switch to aluminum wiring for which there is much less of a market. Of course wiring size would need to be adjusted.
Then they will just break into your car knowing there is an easy cable to get
@@susankaluzny2516 yes. Rock unlocks window glass.
Yes, now crime has started in the EV world and no doubt it will get worse as time goes on. I didn't think about the charging cables being stolen - that is crazy. But price of Copper is very high now when buying wire at stores.
This almost sounds similar to here in the States people stealing (cutting off) Catalytic converters on gas cars parked on the streets for the high priced materials inside - also probably for getting money for their drug habits.
I was more worried about crime in hacking into or stealing EV cars themselves or opening them up and stealing items inside of them - since they are nothing more than a large mobile computer device on wheels. Read another comment here of someone coming up and robbing you while waiting for your car to be charged up. We have a crazy world we live in.
I hope car manufacturers have a good security protection on EV vehicles.
Time shall Tell how safe your EV car is to theft or someone "taking control of" since more of them are on the road now.
I saw a video about a woman charging her EV at a strangers house, so she wouldn't have to use her own electricity, and she got caught by the man who lived there. So, I assume this will also become a crime too. When people start having massive electricity bills, because people can take the plug out of your car, in the middle if the night, and then leave you high and dry come morning... literally leaving you to pay for them charging their car on your dime!!! How do you stop that kind of crime???
The charger locks into the charging port when it is in use.
Trip the switch in the house then put it on when you need it.
Sums up the times we live in pretty well. Someone cuts the cable off a charger, it then costs 80-100k to rectify and yet the guy who took the cable is called the thief. Imagine a phone charger costing more to replace than the phone. It's sad that those of us who can see through the con of EVs end up paying for it anyway.
Dead right indeed
80 to 100 grand to replace a charging cable, ffs let's talk sense here, more like a couple of hundred quid..
@@magnuspym Are you suggesting that we as UK tax payers are not contributing to the incentives for electric vehicles and wind power?
Sadly, copper theft isn't new. This has been going on for years with the UK rail network. The times I've heard of trains being delayed or services suspended by this criminal activity - power and signalling cables being removed. The voltage is so much higher on the rail cables, so car charging points are more easly accessible and 'less dangerous'.
Same goes for any 'abandoned' buildings. The water pipes and electricity cables will get nicked.
@@skylined5534 In North America they don't wait for a building to be abandoned. They will steal the cables and pipes during construction. Or at any random point after that. They also hit substations and transformers from the utility companies. Doesn't seem to matter how many thieves die trying to steal those conductors, they still do it...
It's them Paddy's at it again.
So here we are they're after your cat converta on petrol cars / now these charging cables
The cables are a dangerous trip hazard. Bridlington Council needs to act.
1)At umanned sites the chargers will need to have PLUGS on the charger and you carry a charge cable to beat the cable
theives.
2) 24 hour manned sites
3)keyed entry only
4)part time charge sites only
All of which will piss people off. This is before the rolling brownouts due to lack of power. Try getting answers on how much EXTRA power is required AND the transmission lines to get power to consumers. You get a lot of blow(slogans and sound bites) and no go(hard numbers and build timelines).
How long will the minerals needed to make the batteries be available until they run out? The EV batteries are very large, heavy and currently unrecylable. Furthermore, if you're charging and it will take 4-8 hours to recharge these vehicles, how long will people have to wait before they can charging their vehicles? It's not like the servo where you fill up in 10 minutes and move on. I read an American article where they tested several EV work utes and several towing heavy trailers, the milage travelled was unbelievably low, some recording less than 100 miles of travel before requiring recharging.
Don't think the world is ready for EV'S on mass just yet.
We got an electric Refuse (garbage) vehicle on demo....it travelled up north on the back of a trailer (pulled with a diesel tractor unit) because it didn't have the capacity for the 200 odd miles. It also didn't have the capacity to last a full shift of 8 hours......and this was in the summer .....it went back the next day................on the back of a trailer.................
The cars are ready and the tec is ready too. Some car companys release cars to the market that are not practical just to show that they are not pratical. Try the electric kia niro, or a hyundai ioniq. They last for over 300 km in one charge and a charge takes about 40 minutes. They work just fine.
The recycling problem is a temporary problem. The recycling technic is already there. The amount of batteries to recycle is to low today. The technology is desgned to recycle tons of batteries per day. Today mining the minerals is cheaper but as soon as the amount of batteries is high enough and it makes economicaly sense to recycle they will do it.
If you look at the stock market, it appears that the raw material suppliers are not building up the infrastructure to support this folly.
its one of those weird moments when being law abiding and following the rules isn't working out and you find yourself softly muttering "bless the dopeheads and their disregard for authority"
Perfect. They are winning
Silly law trusters.
That's pretty funny and sadly the truth.
I grew up in a NZ city which had an excellent electric trolley bus system. The local council eventually closed the system, cut down the overhead wiring and sold it for the copper.!
I think you might be surprised how much copper is in that cable. These are high current machines. No way you could fast charge an EV with a ‘thin’ piece of copper.
In the United States, it's not unusual to have copper water pipes cut out of houses and stolen by burglars.
In Australia, there are hardly any EV charging stations installed and of those that are, say typically there are four bays, only one is operational as the others have been vandalised. In most cases they destroy the Level 2 and Level 3 chargers and leave the slow charger available to inconvenience users. In my travels, I am yet to see an EV actually plugged in and charging at any of the stations I've passed by. The uptake of EVs in this country is extremely low too as there are taxes in each state that add more cost to the vehicle. Anything that is not ICE, attracts a Luxury Vehicle Tax (LVT) and even worse if it's a Hybrid, there's a Hybrid Vehicle Tax. So owning an EV in this country is not on the cards for most people. The gov has their head in the sand most of the time when it comes to infrastructure!
Any form of copper will be taken. A/C compressors, piping for commercial sprinklers, wiring and plumbing in unfinished houses, etc. Copper is currently $3.21 a pound in Houston, TX. It is an easy theft and there are now laws in place to keep the people from selling it to reputable scrap yards.
Nothing to be surprised about, criminality in the UK is standard and in these troubled times £50-60 is a lot of money, and as for being electrocuted, anything that handles the power that they do, has a fail safe to prevent electrocution it would most likely have some sort of rcd tripping as standard.
Most have an 'emergency stop' button too. Hitting it cuts all power.
And using a pair of insulated bolt cutters with heavy gloves helps too.
Actually the cable is dead until the charger senses a car has been plugged into it.
I was driving along theM62 outside Leeds last week and there was a 15 mile tailback with hundreds of vehicles virtually at a standstill I just thought in 8 years they will all have to be EV absolutely ludicrous. Isn't there anybody in this government who has any common sense?
Why not put the cable on a retractable reel system in the car and the plugin part on the machine?
the same community that pinch old washing machine you leave out for the council to collect I've had it a few times now, caught a pair trying to steel an old fridge stopped them, as its theft, it was a working one someone was collecting that was in need. funny how we get a spat of these crime when certain people appear in the area!!
If they end up securing the charging stations with fences etc., guess what they will do to the charging costs, they will raise them considerably, to cover the extra expense of security, making EV's even less desirable.
They'll weigh in the fences.
Here in North Wales we’ve just had some chaos on the rail network after persons unknown cut out all the signalling cable around Flint and Shotton, it’s always happened and will continue to do so.
You don't get paid £60 for thin bit of copper wire' you also don't put massive amounts of electricity through thin copper wire.
It's a major problem on the railway, where the cables are very much longer than those on a charging point. Think twice before you blame the railway for your delay.
This doesn't surprise me. But actually, it pollutes more to produce the battery for an electric car than it would drive a regular car.
You are dead right!
But all those noise-mobiles and stupid-mobiles make me that much more an EV fan. Not saying that I can afford one though.
I was a police officer and stealing copper was pretty common. We had a guy actually try to steal live copper wires and he got electrocuted and killed. The guy has done it before and got didn't get killed but did get caught. He was a crack head who would just do anything for money. His short jail time from being caught the first time wasn't enough to clean him up.
Darwin. Spot on.
I do love to hear about criminals dying.
Thieves also steel all sorts of grounding wires on structures in electric substations which can be super dangerous and steal grounds off communications towers. This sucks as it's risky for them and costs companies a lot of money to constantly have to check them often and replace them, of course the cost of the thieves has to be absorbed by the end product so we all pay more.
On the odd occasion I take some legitimate scrap to the scrap yard, they want I.D. and my car's reg. no. This has been the law for some years now after a period of man-holes vanishing. Crooked scrappies would be easy to locate if we had the right attitude to policing.
The future is a nightmare. It doesn’t take a genius to workout that owning and running an EV will eventually cost considerably more than running a second hand petrol/ diesel car .
I honestly don't see how full EV could work....I can see a hybrid being a more viable option.
Fred Blogs: That statement is ridiculous. an "Ice" car ( a "Heat engine") is only 15-25%efficient. For every dollar you put into the fuel tank only 15-25cents worth of energy moves you and the car forward. The rest of the heat created is tossed overboard directly into the wind stream through the cooling system or exhaust .Or lost to mechanical friction and "pumping losses" from the thousands of moving mechanical parts that also require lubrication, periodic adjustment or replacement. Electric motors are 90-95% efficient. It makes engineering sense.
@@magnuspym Where does the electricity come from? Ultimately fossil fuel produces power so this whole thing is a shell game. The US began looking at electric vehicles before the gasoline engine was perfected for cars. In the late sixties, government was pushing electric, but there is no infrastructure to support them, and no will to invest in said infrastructure. We developed the "infrastructure" for internal combustion, when horse and wagons, horse and buggy were the prime movers. To go to ic was easy because it was "the few, belonging to the rich, moving to the majority, with affordable fuel and vehicles". EV is less efficient because the same loss comes in generation, but isn't noticed because it's already lost before you plug in. We have breeder reactors which recycle nuclear fuel, but they aren't being commissioned. Our majority power still comes from fossil fuel and will unless we come up with an entirely new concept.
I'm still making my Honda CL360 electric. You can't overbore the engine that is worn out.
Been a month now, and my representative has not responded on any info I need to plug into a charging station.
@@magnuspym While your electric car is dumping the heat even when parked.
The reason for the inefficiency is the GOVERNMENT mandates it.
I am fine using the other 75% to crank up the tunes, and charge my electric rc planes.
Common for railway and motorway comms cables so not surprised really. Thought the Police were supposed to stamp it out through the regulation and inspection of scrapyards?
The madness lies with those who didn't realise this would happen, easy answer from the off would have been to carry a portable charging cable that locks in both the car and the charger, different attachable charge plugs would be needed,
It definitely isn't a new craze, the copper critters have been a nuisance for quite a while now !
The same thing happened with Diesel and LPG powered vehicles. Once they became extremely popular with the public, the prices soon surpassed the cost of Petrol. Here in Australia they are considering (if not secretly and already decided) considering a tax per kilometre!! We are already experiencing a power crisis, imagine the mayhem when the public do start buying more and more electric powered vehicles. The outcome will be very interesting indeed. 😊
They made the movie years ago ,
Named it " Mad Max " .
Got any go juice ?
@@acquasanta6676 “gazzzzzoline!”
On these cars in Italy 30 years ago used to be a super tax duties on them
ahh i run a bmw 330i on lpg,. but it's still less then half the cost of petrol, for the past 30 years people have said wouldn't use lpg, they'll put it up soon. but it's still the same difference.
This has been happening to the railway infrastructure for years, this is not a craze. Its well known who do it but very rarely followed up and will continue.
I saw a fellow who's EV had no need for a charge station, because he ran a generator in the truck wired to the charge port..
Picture an entire fully unguarded valuable infrastructure. Picture self driving semis. Can you say piracy? Every truck will need humans aboard to prevent load theft. Back in the day, the horses pretty much knew the way to take the payroll. They did it all the time. The human was there to guard the booty. No load of valuables is safe in the absence of protection. Hack ten barges and steer them to a remote port, unload them and send them aling. Same with trucks and trains. Law enforcement has been smeared and defamed by the media but just leave your nice stuff laying around without them there and see how it goes.
EVs are a niche market and always will be; think of it like this what if overnight, every car in the UK was converted to Electric? I will leave you with that thought.
Sadly, your missing the bigger picture. The plan is to cut privately owned vehicles (cars, motorcycles and recreational vehicles) by a large percentage. In not to many years if your journey cant be done on a bike or electric scooter, you'll be doing it on public transport or a car club. This isn't an attack on petrol / diesel but a subtle way to limit your freedom of movement.
@@1davidsmall
It's not a 'plan'. It's a dystopian wet dream fantasy for some 'useful' idiots within the goverment.
The amount of money generated by car ownership in the UK alone is too great to kill off. Not going to happen.
Imagine if horses had been replaced by petrol powered cars overnight? I will leave you with that thought too.
@@B-A-L Hydrogen is the way ahead, It's Big OIL blocking it.
We were given an electric courtesy car from Nissan for about 10 days. We had to make some long distance trips at the time and it was a nightmare trying to find available charges. The M3 services had 2 chargers, one was out of order and the other being used. Solstice Park had more but all were being used and it was rammed. Range anxiety was high that week. We had to download an app to use Morrisons and the Shell garage charger wouldn't start when we swiped our credit card, although it charged us (money).
There seems to be quite a few stories about being charged money for no or even less electricity than you pay for, but nothing seems to be done about it.
Can you imagine if a petrol station tried this!?
Weights and measures would be all over them in a flash!!
Travel with your own cable. Problem solved. SIMPLES 🙃
@@xzing7 we had cables. The problem was the charging point.
@@MartinHayesUK Hopefully things will improve. I certainly don't fancy being stranded on some remote farmland with no electric in car or phone
Maybe what needs to be done is start charging the companies that are buying the copper wire from these people.Maybe there's some way they can identify.Or mark this copper wire.And when these people bring it in, they can be arrested or just start charging.The companies that are buying copper wire
People that charge at these are often isolated, and ripe for a robbery. Not like a gas station like Costco that is monitored by staff.
Meh. Remember when people’s petrol tanks would sometimes get siphoned by some scrote? Lockable fuel filler caps.
Or when someone’s alloys got nicked? Wheel locking nuts.
Eventually, technology moves forward to prevent crimes like charger cables being cut, so I doubt this will continue for years to come. Industry will find a way forward and this won’t be a concern.
I remember 'getting' the paraffin lamps from roadwork lights 🙂
Copper stealing has been going on forever. Yet you also took me on that one. I would have never guessed that they would do it. Not even an thought. I was wondering when the EV charging stations would have restrooms and a place to buy drinks and food like an gas station. I personally would be complaining about that. Always something.
Aluminium cables. Already getting to most fast chargers. It was forseeable.
@Chargehanger Wallbox why did they stop putting aluminum wiring in trailer homes? They would expand and shrink. Then cause house fires. Be careful with these. It happened to my cousin. Her family had a double wide. The whole thing was burned up in 10 minutes. No one died, but they lost everything.
Aluminum wire is less efficient and would need to be nearly twice as large. Also, did he say 60-70 L they could sell it for? That’s no tiny piece of wire, assuming UK prices are similar to US at around 3.50 a pound.
Here in the US people steal catalytic converters because they have a small platinum mesh inside, they are worth about $150 I think when gas hit $5 a gallon, there was also a story about somebody parking a minivan overtop the gas tank lids and sucking fuel out through a hole they’d cut in the bottom of the van.
Interesting point, won’t solve the problem for public rapid chargers but having your own cable to an un tethered charger may be a solution. Also the best way to prevent these sorts of crimes is to deal with the dodgy scrap merchants who deal in stolen copper cables from the train, electric utilities etc. not to mention the theft of catalytic converters . Not a craze but another crime.
This has been happening in the U.S for at least 12 months.
This isn’t stopping EV…. We adapt. We add cameras around chargers and find the few responsible. It’s prolly quite easy to track the copper wiring layout at recyclers if they really want to.
It’s a little bit of an overstatement to say a few people will end EV’s. 😂.
Cameras don’t do diddly. Except capture the moment. Covid masks mandates have made criminals into whole new opportunist to my reckoning. Why? Most cameras get stolen as well.
You see, without monitoring, without immediate response teams, no crime is solved, even alleviated. Crime has become a new form of employment opportunities.
I like EV’s. I have a garage to park one in. I have access to a level two charger. But folks living in apartment complexes and rental properties do not. Theres no adapting. Here in California it cost businesses hundreds of thousands of dollars to purchase charge stations. The gov. Does not pay.
Then, special power station must be installed by the power company. Even then, super chargers are not what they claim. Utility company dials down the charging unit due to surrounding grid energy demands. This can be serious in our California heat wave going on right now. The rhetoric you hear from our Governor is not anything to do with reality of how power is produced at continuous uninterrupted form. Wind and solar cannot begin to meet our needs. In fact, California buys its power from coal fired plants out of state just so they can SAY they are sustainable. Its a lie.
But he said it wasn't clickbait. Several times. Are you suggesting otherwise? As others have said, we still have trains. We still have internet. We'll still have EVs 😂
@@colinnich I appreciate electric vehicles, I just don’t believe the government has any right to mandate only electric vehicles.
Depending on the amps the charger can give- dictates how thick the copper is. Anything nesr 40 amps isnt going to be "just a thin wire"And there are at least two large copper wires for + and -. Any other wire in there is a communication wire and could be extremely thin.
The fast charger and ultra fast charger put out more amps and will definitely have thicker wires.
For 40 amps that would be minimum #8 AWG -- the same size as the largest conductors in your house, the dryer and electric range. Or a really big hot tub, not a standard sized one.
I'm not sure about the UK, but in North America those chargers will for sure be on 3 phase grids, not single phase like your house. Whether it's 208V, 480V or 600V, it will be 3 phase power, so it will have 3 or 4 wires just for power, depending on if it's a wye or delta hookup. It will have three hot wires, and possibly a neutral. It will also have ground wires. And then some communication and control wiring. So you're looking at three or four #8 copper conductors, plus grounding and control cables running to each charger. That's a lot of bucks right there.
A regular gas pump doesn't need all that. It's usually just #12s for the power, maybe #10s if it's a long distance. They aren't needing a 45 amp breaker for each gas pump, yo.
ps. Only DC power systems have a + and - wire. Most of these chargers will be AC, not DC. Their control circuit might partially run on 24V DC or 12V DC, but the power circuit will be AC in most parts of the world. Most chargers that aren't home chargers will have 3 conductors, or 3 conductors and a neutral. A 240V home charger will be single phase, and only need 2 hot wires. Not + and - though.
The fast charging leads are liquid cooled so that thinner cables can be used as the cables also needs to be flexible.
@@johnwang9914 thats weird. Pretty sure a certain gauge is needed per length to cover require amps. I know they heat up when over current the gauge of wire. I wasn't aware of cooling aliviating the required gauge for current required by distance
@@grumpystony confirmed. you can even ultrafast charge with a liquid helium cooled cable the thickness of a pencil neck computer geek.
real engineers make cables more flexible by combining more wires of thinner diameter together instead of doing crazy batshit like having to cool the damn cable with liquids.
what an absolute fire and electrocution hazard !
Peterborough City Council are now charging 70p per kWh for charging your EV. That's the equivalent of about £6 per litre of fuel. (Note: 55p -17p domestic cost is still much more expensive than Diesel at £1.90 a litre.
There most be something more valuable than copper in them that they don't want to tell you about otherwise it would hype up a lot quicker my guess is there is some kind of precious metal that has better conductive and heat resistant properties than copper, hence the super expensive repair job
How do they create the energy to charge the electric car? Coal fire, nuclear, gas-powered plants
Diesel generator in many cases.
EVs are just a facade. All the dieselgate type stuff going on right now? 'Owned a diesel car blah blah blah' etc?
Expect something similar to do with EVs in at least the next 20 years and likely sooner.