What happens if you run out of miles in an electric vehicle?
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- čas přidán 15. 11. 2022
- Ever since becoming an EV driver I've always wondered what would actually happen if I ran out of miles, haven't you? Is there a buffer when you hit zero miles? Would the car just stop or glide to a halt? Could I push it or tow it to a safe place or even a charger?
Thanks to the teams at Hendy EV and Thurxton Circuit I've found out, but not in one EV, in four and before you point it out, yes I know it's a tortoise, but they call it 'turtle mode' in the EV world!
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They normally send a diesel truck out to rescue you.....
So what one diesel vehicle to recover how many EV's?
@@mfx1 Which will increase exponentially if every Tom, Dick and Harriet has one. Its bad enough with petrol drivers running on empty, which seems to be a trend nowadays. At least with petrol you can get them off hard shoulder after the breakdown truck arrives with a can of fuel. Electric will have to be towed to services and sit there charging for hours.
Kinda just like when a gas car runs out… they send out more energy (gas or a charger) or tow it off the road.
Is this service public funded
😂😂👍
So, they use a GAS-powered generator to recharge your EV. Brilliant!
In an emergency, not exactly part of a planned charging regime.
Nothing wrong with that - using fossil fuels to occasionally fuel an EV just isn't the end of the world - would like to see the rescue van be electric though. Coal power station fuelled EV's still emit less CO2 per 100km than gasoline cars.
Where do you think that much of your electricity comes from anyway? Probably mostly gas powered generators!
@@martinwilliams5154
Where I live mostly hydro and nuclear and only during peak demand times natural gas enters the mix.
@@brushlessmotoring it’s hypocritical
Saw an EV stopped on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere in Western Colorado. No cell service, probably 15 degrees Fahrenheit outside, starting to get dark. About two miles down the road saw a dude walking. What a remote place to be, fortunately, I looked at my dash and saw I had over half of a tank of gasoline left!
Did you smirk and wave as you went by?
lol.
@@ramblerdave1339 I would have blown the horn flipped them off and yelled get a real car loser
I hope you picked them up ! .
So you never gave them a ride 😮 ya tight git 😅
I am a bit worried about having a Turtle mode as Turtles swim. On the other hand, Tortoises are slow moving, land based animals.
BBC training!
Not in the USA. Their terminology is different.
I have never run out of miles, zero range anxiety or waiting for a free charger anywhere.. but I drive a reliable and eco diesel!
Doh!
6555 ha good one
@daver6555 AMEN BROTHER!!!! me as well.
Well done you. I have also never run out of petrol in 45 years of driving but nor have I ever run out of charge in my EV.
I haven't run out since 1972. Gas was still cheap but I was young and living on the edge. hehehehehehehehehe
Gone are the days of trudging 5 miles to a garage with an empty jerrycan, only to find it's closed.😁😁.
Now we have to carry a five mile extension lead. 😀.The biggest problem, as far as I can see, is finding a working charging point that hasn't got a queue of cars waiting to use it.
And an electrical grid that isn't collapsed.
Very good- 5 mile extension cord
Delicious!
I carry 5 gallons of gas in my truck. But mostly use it to help others that aren't paying attention to their gas.
So why not re- invent a " Dynamo " like the one on my 1964 Land Rover. This KEEPS the battery charged as I am driving. So much for modern technology, !!
Oh yeah knock on the door excuse me my electric car ran out of charge can I plug in
This is reminding me of Snomaggedon here in Virginia years ago, after 12 hours stuck on the Dulles toll road, I found out the next day it was caused by Prius’s littered everywhere because the drivers ran out of electricity and hadn’t bothered to gas up that morning. The other thing I just realized is that my insurance is starting to soar because of the “electric car recovery” policies. What a scam 🙄🙄🙄
Jody. Don't confuse the GO-GREENIE nut jobs. They are feeling all warm and wet, thinking they are saving the world.
What utter rubbish!
Cool story biut it belongs in the fiction section, so right YT channel at least.
@@mikebreen2890 true story because I sat on the Dulles toll road for 12 hours creeping slow by and around Prius’s…literally in the road, in meridian and on the side, if it was them it was trucks that jackknifed on the ramps.
So EV's are a bad idea because Americans aren't intelligent enough to charge them before use?
One thing that might be interesting to know is if taking it down to zero does any damage to the battery itself, or does anything to degrade the maximum charge it can take. Different battery technologies might react differently to being completely drained.
No damage this is a built in safety program that protects the batteries from total failure.
It shouldn’t do. It may cause problems if the batteries are left in a discharged state.
@@allenelswick6961 yep its indicated zero wont be true zero charge , there'll be a safety buffer zone,
I flatened my E bike battery and basically reduced its capacity I had to buy another battery. I don't know why that is the case, but I have read since flattening batteries wrecks them.
@@grahamthomas4804 the device using them 'ought' to have the function to prevent too deep discharging..
What happens is a diesel powered vehicle comes to recover you. So you might just as well have bought a diesel in the first place.
And modern diesels are as clean as EV’s nowadays and don’t use child slave labour in the mining of 70% of the lithium in the batteries.
@@gilbert7794 Exactly. But the narrative is to demonise diesel as a child killer. The tax on my car should be around the £140 mark but, because it cost a few quid over £40k, it is over £500 per year. The cleaner the car, the more tax you pay. Madness.
@@thurstonhowell3569 I’ve got an old diesel a 2012 has no zero road tax and just had an MOT with zero emissions, and it’s got plenty of life in it still unlike a similar EV who’s batteries will be at the end of life at ten years
Or, keep a small gas generator, in the trunk of the car.
3 years driving an EV and I have never been below 10% charge left. There are few valid excuses for driving your EV or indeed your petrol/diesel vehicle until it runs out of fuel especially with all the warnings.
Yeah, everything I see just makes me want to rush out and buy one of these electric Turkeys!
I think that you’re talking about Irish turkeys!
💯💯👍
I think you meant Turds but I am guessing autocorrect got in on the act. 🙂
They are a con in cost...
just watch a few video clips of the car freighter "fremantle" off the duth coast...all you ever need to know about EV's.....
Excellent tests. No one has ever mentioned what would happen. Thanks or doing this.
No one needed to mention what would happen! It’s clearly obvious
Thanks for making this video. It's helpful to know what to expect. The reason most EVs go beyond 0 miles is the same as "miles to empty" in a petrol vehicle... some people will keep going to 0 miles rather than being conservative.
That's why you carry a big old f****** diesel generator in your car to charge the son of a b****
That's why I have a 15kva diesel generator in the back of my EV and 20 gallons of diesel....I also have a gas heater and a small wood burner stove and a nuclear reactor I made myself but it only give out 5kva so not big enough to charge the car ,but it does have a nice blue glow .
😂😂😂
Me too 😜
No one can say you aren't prepared. Lol
There's a nuclear reactor in San Onofre California, a town along the coast near San Clemente. There's 50,000 people living there. And what a coincidence, they all have curly hair.
Why don’t you learn maths instead ?
How are you going to get a recharge when there is no fuel for the generator in the rescue vehicle?
solar panels...those kind that fold up into a briefcase size. Just put it in the boot and keep it for emergencies.
"Silence, ingrate, can't you see we're saving mankind!" Said 'they' as they climb aboard their private jets.
@@peghead "You will own nothing...and be happy".
@@richardhemingway6084 happiness is overrated. Now, eat your bugs.
I’m always surprised at how electric vehicles seem awash with massive digital screens and instruments, which presumably consume a lot of power? One might imagine they’d prefer passive, analogue tools that use less power?
No, such consumers use tiny amounts compared to what an analogue dial would use.
you presumption on consumption is wrong. a ev battery has enough power to supply a house for days the only things in an ev that consumes a measurable amount of power is the drive and aircon/heater ...
Great reporting and even greater to see Philippa on the screen again - what a simply lovely lady!
Very interesting & helpful video. But my biggest fear, if I was ever to get an EV, was how much the government will be charging you when they reintroduce a road fund license & are not getting the revenue from the petrol & diesel vehicles. Far more worrying than what will happen if I ever run out of battery.
hi, Anthony, as a Model 3 owner for the last several years let me put your mind to rest. My Model 3 costs me roughly 1/4 of what I was paying before...just for electricity or gas mind you. I’m not counting the savings on oil changes, brakes etc. Now without even looking it up, I am quite confident that the road tax is a much smaller number than 75% of the price of gas. So there is really no way you don’t make out like a bandit buying a Tesla. And btw, that Tesla Model 3 (for example) is lasting more than 500,000 miles in fleet service (including original battery). Not having to buy a new car at 250,000 miles is way, way, way cheaper than any road tax. And if you buy a Tesla with their Supercharger network, it’s virtually impossible to run out juice (to get back to the main point). Don’t you wish you bought one when they were $12,000 cheaper like I did? Maybe 2023 is your year.
@@johncahill3644 Thanks for that information John. It looks like you have got the figures well worked out. However, in my case as with many others who are retired in the UK, there will never be a time when I can afford an EV, especially one as good as the Tesla. My budget nowadays is £5000 (maybe $6000) & I wouldn’t dare buy a second hand EV for that kind of money. My thoughts are, for those people who can afford one now, they will fall into the trap we were tempted with a few years ago when our government persuaded us to go diesel which was far cheaper than petrol. Then when so many of us had fallen into their trap, diesel became the evil witch & the price went far higher than petrol. I fear the same will happen with the EVs but fortunately I will not be around by that time.
@@anthonypaynter828: I have a Tesla and I agree with the facts laid out in John’s post. EVs are super inexpensive to operate, and the maintenance is much less than for conventional cars. But - I don’t think that they are for everyone. For example, we charge our car inside our garage. But, if you don’t have a place to charge, then an EV is significantly less attractive. In your case, with your $6,000 budget, you’re probably better off purchasing a used gasoline powered car. As for the road taxes, our state charges me about $200 extra per year to register our EV (above what they charge conventionally powered cars). It’s still a good deal financially.
I live in a high rise. Will the owner put in 400 charging stations. Not a chance. I would have to go to a charger and pay premium rate. Probably means leaving for work a half hour earlier every morning. The extra charging time per year does have a cost, maybe not in monetary terms, but I do value my time. That also assumes that the charging station is working or someone hasn't plugged in and gone shopping. EV's aren't evil but they aren't the solution for everyone
The long-term aim is to make driving more expensive! Just like the good old days: the poor will have to walk or use public transport.
That keeps them at home and out of the way more often!
I love how the rescue vehicle and generator are petrol.
I love how the gas pumps are electric.
On the majority of EVs, the electronics outside of the motor are driven by a separate battery. Thus the hazard lights and other features still work when the battery is dead.
Great video on what to do when you accidentally run out of power, they had no agenda, except to show what happens when you do
What happens? Everyone with a sensible car laughs at you
Like I was laughing at everyone with a "sensible" car when the pumps ran dry a few months ago? People run out of fuel every single day.
@@cjmillsnun but you realise that’s not down to the car only having a 100 mile tank right???
@@coolvideos8864 lol, what ev only has a 100 mile range. That's straight up in the hybrid territory. Maybe a teeny tiny Electromecannica Solo for in-city transit...
Let’s not forget the life of the batteries, getting worse storage capacity the more you charge it. EVs are a scam for muppets that think they’re going to change the world. They may want to look into how many miles they have to do before there “helping” the Planet
What happens when a gas powered car runs out of gas? Same thing that happens when an electric car runs out of electricity.
I notice the alerts about limiting power usage now includes “don’t charge your electric car”
Cracking video Philippa, just what we all need to know for the (hopefully long-distance future). Thank you. Loved your stuff ever since Tomorrow's World, and now you are part of it - TW that is. You look great too.
This is very interesting. I live in Central Ontario, Canada. Winter temperatures can easily reach -20°C and -40 is not unheard of. I am in a small city about 60 miles north of Toronto. All it would take is a serious collision in winter with Highway 400 (6 lane dual carriage motorway) to close the road for hours, and the batteries could well be in trouble. What happens when you run out of power? Not like you have a Jerry can of extra electrons. I can see it now. Highway opens, traffic begins to move, and the EVs are all needing recovery because sitting dead in the middle of a major motorway is not conducive to waiting hours for a booster vehicle.
Most EVs can sit with the heater running for many hours without problems, and still have enough to drive on.
@@solentbumthat is simply not true.
Ask Tesco who are running 5500 electric delivery vans , which manage 80 miles in mild weather or 60 miles if you use the heater and or lights .
Driver told me himself, they’re trying to get out of the lease agreement as it costing them a lot of money in delivery failures and wasted goods .
I need a source for that my reasonably old nissan leaf can do almost double that distance...
Great, informative video. I'm sure it'll be a weight off the minds of new EV drivers to learn what happens. Watching Phillippa made me nostalgic for Tomorrow's World... and when she presented kids TV in The Broom Cupboard 😊
Flipper, the cat, can't remember his name, character called her
You must be old 🤣🤣🤣
@@BrendonHoppy ha ha, I'm getting on a bit, yeah 😊😂
"Great information???" Well what did you think would happen? Keep going on a flat battery !!
@@massatube ha ha, get a life 😂😂😂
Yeah, I'm in Canada could be life or death in winter with heater and cold
You Review the cars and still don't know that flashes Ac and som other parts of EV works on separate Battery, it's amazing how much self confidence you have!!!
Great reporting. As an EV driver, a big thank you for all the info.
If I ever see someone stranded on a desolate road and they are driving an EV Im gonna keep going!!! See ya.......
Wait until the time comes when you have to replace your EV battery. Know someone who bought their daughter a used EV for $14k, after 60 days the battery needed to be replaced for the cost of $12K. Dealer offered to buy the car back at $500.
The basic take away from this is that you have to try really hard to run out of charge. There’s plenty of warning on all of them.
There really is!
@matpat2636 very true however the lack of charge stations is a factor. And you can’t put electricity in a Jerry can. 😂🤡🌍
...and that it is rescued using fossil fuels. ..
There's no guarantee that the nearest charger will work.
what if you have an emergency all of a sudden????? let's say you find a charge station that works..... how long will it take you to wait until it's charged?? 1 hour? 2? 3?.... so you are fukd! but hey carry a gas generator in your trunk.... still you will have to wait until it's charged..... hours, vs fuel regular gasoline car... a few minutes.... So it's a matter of being practical and common sense, right now this energy source is NOT sustainable, we can't rely on it for a X period of years. Anyone else thinking that this will be soon 100% implemented it's smoking weed!
Interesting that the emergency recharging service only gives you enough of a charge to get you to the nearest recharging station. But no mention of how long it takes for the emergency recharging and no mention of how long it will take at the nearest recharging station.
But that has always been the the question. How long does it take to recharge an EV if you are not at home and there is nothing that I can find as to how much recharging you EV at home is like leaving you oven and electric burners on all night comparted to filling up your tank with gas in 5 minutes.
And where does the electricity come from to charge an electric car? It comes from coal powered plants and other fossil fuels. Climate activist will tell you that wind and solar are the answer but there is no evidence that wind and solar can provide anything close to the amount of energy needed to power homes and businesses much less hundreds of millions of electric cars.
And then there is the hysteria of saving the planet. The truth is that the mining, processing, and construction of EV batteries is far more harmful than fossil fuel extraction. And the amount of energy and environmental protection for recycling EV batteries requires more energy than recycling gas powered cars.
Here is another real problem with Electric Vehicles. Not only is the electric grid insufficient to service hundreds of millions of EV's, EV's are only affordable with government subsidies which means for everyone who buys an EV someone else is paying for it.
Henry Ford did not get government subsidies to build cars. Oil Companies did not get government subsidies to build gas stations. It all happened because cars and gas were profitable and affordable.
Now the government wants you to buy EV's and because they are not profitable on their own, the government offers government subsidies throughout the supply chain and then tax credits if you buy a government subsidized EV. But even worse, local, state, and Federal governments are using tax payer money to establish charging stations.
Think about that. Gas stations evolved without government because there was a profitable need. But EV's are evolving because people won't buy them unless the government gives the a tax credit and the government establishes charging stations so power companies can get rich without having to spend money to put in power stations that are not used.
Oh and guess what? Charging stations or at home are not free. So where does that money go to? Power stations because Solar and Wind is impossible to sustain the increased load. And the fewer coal, gas, and oil power plants there are the less electric power there is. The Democrat policies make electric power more expensive for everyone way beyond fossil fuels, but with no solutions as to how to lower the costs.
Liberals are OK with this, but I'll give you a real example in my family. My sister is a rabid far leftist progressive liberal. I mean she hates anything that is conservative and loves anything that will save the planet. So, her car quits and she buys a gas powered car. I asked her why with all of your save the planet hysteria you would by a gas powered car? She said because its cheaper.
Ladies and Gentlemen, that sums up the Climate Change agenda. They want you to buy expensive and unstainable EV's while they buy normal cars because they are more economical.
I can see leftists screaming that EV's eliminating cows, eliminating fossil fuels, and by definition eliminating electricity is going to save the planet.
What they won't tell you is that fossil fuels and technologies have enhanced the benefit and health of everyone in the world. Fossil fuels have improved the quality of life of everyone in the world, obviously some more than others, but Elon Mush's Starlink has now provided the internet to hundreds of millions, but Starlink wouldn't be available without fossil fuels to power Starlink. That is why Musk says that fossil fuels are critical until we have the technology to power 400 million people in the US with something else--or words to that affect.
Good points raised, well presented, and done in a safe environment,
Running out of power on an ev will put you and other motorists at risk , and for much longer than conventional or hybrid,
The breakdown company staff have to take risks to rescue people,
Which on many occasions is caused by not managing charging responsibly, to save money or time,
or driving with a charging fault to the point of stopping instead of driving to the garage for repair,
And when you need a charge on a major holiday (Thanksgiving?) you discover the charger is backed up two or three deep so you have a 5 or 6 hour wait.
3 deep is just a hour wait.
My car still has the same amount of power when there is only 5 % of the energy available as when there is 100% of the energy available. If it gets to zero, I need to get some gas from a tow service, can in the trunk, friend or nearby gas station. A 2.5 gallon can will get me at least 125 miles and can be poured into the car in one minute. I can then easily find a gas station. I have been driving for 54 years and have run out of gas exactly zero times. Gasoline stations are everywhere. My car is a hybrid car. The best of both worlds.
If the makers of EV's had thought about the problem of people running out of charge a bit deeper, they could have made it possible for the vehicle to be charged and towed at the same time, and the addition of an extra charging socket at the front of the vehicle could be used to speed up the charging process further by utilising the generator on the recovery vehicle if it had one, this would benefit the customer by being able to proceed with the journey while the vehicle gets a decent amount of charge.
You can in fact tow and charge an EV using its regenerative braking - puts a big strain on the towing vehicle though. You could also charge while on a flatbed. But far more likely than all this, is you get a flatbed come get you and bring you the 5 miles to the fast charger you fell short of and charge there.
4 years and 50,000 miles and I've never run out, or even come close after seeing these tests.
Valuable advice! I guess the takeaway is.. believe the car when it says "empty". This will allow you maneuver to a safe place to wait for help while you still valuable time to make decisions and, most importantly, while you still have control of the vehicle.
Thing is there are gas stations everywhere what you going to do knock on Farmer Brown's door and ask if you can plug in your goddamn stupid electric car you going to get shot b****
Not if you are queuing on a motorway and you can't get to the outside lane that would be a problem . The times when I've driven out of London on the M1 up north could be tricky .
So nice to see ( and hear ) Phillipa again. Wish there was still Tomorrow's World.
No matter how lovely Pip is, and how well she presents (she's been my favourite for years) , I can't help gind it ironic that all these folks trying to guiltvtrip us dinosaur burners, rely on the same tech when they're in a fix!
Ms Forester ris still lovely however...!
This rescue service could be all electric too, you could also tow an empty EV from an EV with juice and it would charge up the battery of the towed car fairly quickly.
Once you have enough tow-charged range to make a DC fast charger, you can then add 100 miles in 6 minutes and get home for a full overnight charge.
I've had an EV for years, driven all over the place, never ran out once - you have so much range and route prediction in the cars nav, you really have to go extra laps around a circuit to completely empty it.
So if there's a pip boy.. does this mean she's a pip girl 🤣
@@brushlessmotoring I am the opposite to you as I am a technophobe.I stopped worrying about it, when aged 12 at Grammar School,I, impressively, achieved 0% at both Woodwork and Technical Drawing. A feat,O may add,I have never even come close to emulating so, please, bear with but I love driving and my 500,000 London miles are testimony to my safety record but if you want to travel 200 miles then what is an idiot's guide, please? I assume we start with the maximum overnight home charge( 100 miles) and then what happens and how easy and how long does it take to charge another 100 miles,if you're having to charge it all night for the initial 100 miles, please?
She’s still got those cute eyes 😍
Pip is not lovely. She is wealthy and does not give a hoot if you can afford one. She’s paid to promote the govt agenda. She is not lovely
I drive a Toyota Corolla 2.0L GR Sport Hybrid. 500 mile range if you drive sensibly, goes onto pure battery mode as you cruise through built-up areas so zero emissions in villages towns and cities, just short of 200 bhp so plenty of power when you need it. No need to plug in to charge the battery, as it charges itself using regenerative braking or using the engine if needed. This is the technology that should have been implemented during the phase we are in, while new technology is developed and/or infrastructure is put in place for the next phase.
These will be fun trying to charge on "Safe motorways" for the breakdown services.
I think one of the most worrying things is , when you get to a charger on a wet dark night and you find it's not working . Usually when you've searched for a point on your app and now your wondering where to get to !!
When we had a Leaf, exactly that happened in a somewhat comedy way. Back then, charging was free and the car was at home with 20 miles left so I drive to the nearest 50kWh charger on a dual carriageway. It was out of order so I had to continue to the next junction and come back to the services on the other side.
That one was "working" but the unit has no data connection so wouldn't validate the NFC card.
So I had to go back home and a couple of miles from home was left with "- - -".
At that point we decided to give up on public charging and continue to use the vehicle for our known journeys and around town.
@@djtaylorutube This is what I don't understand about the ev infrastructure. Can't you just pay with a credit/debit card? Imagine only being able to use Shell petrol because BP and the others use a different system. It doesn't make sense to me. I do actually like the old Nissan Leaf, I first saw them in Norway many years ago.
@@fredscratchet1355 Some you can pay with bank card, others need an app. I guess it's slowly getting better but this is one of the main reasons we chose Tesla this time round. The simplicity of the Supercharger network.
As a single ecosystem it's in their interest to make sure it works and using it is just a case of plug in. Payment is already registered for the car, nothing else to do as it communicates automatically.
As to only being able to just one type of fuel company, I've kind of had that before with one vehicle that uses LPG which isn't widespread, so you need to know where it is. Previously I've had a card issued by an employer which was only accepted at certain places.
Without a doubt though, the public networks remain fragmented, nobody wants to manage 20+ payment mechanisms or the overlap of methods.
@@djtaylorutube It would always have to be a card payment for myself an app is useless without a smartphone and laptop generally stays at home unless going away for a few days. One way around it would be to enter one's electricity account number and name of account holder or similar and Reg No. so it is charged to one's bill, the account holder would then know who's vehicle it was, if more than one. Chargepoint owners/suppliers take note.
Or YOU'RE wondering how to contract YOU ARE.
Lovely video Philippa! I won't lie - when I saw the name PF something stirred in me! Memories of an intelligent, bubbly, woman journalist came flooding back. Was not disappointed! One question though - were any of the batteries damaged by this degree of discharge? Did they all recharge easily? E.G I thought Tesla batteries and BMS had big problems if they are run flat.
You definitely want to charge it as soon as possible, and not leave it flat for days and weeks, but, as long as you get some juice back in within half a day or so, it's fine. The systems keep drawing power otherwise.
Hello Philippa, Not seen you in any content for decades. Just for giggles, I was born in 1965, and in my teenage years my favourite show was tomorrows world, where along came this vibrant young presenter who, dare I say it, I had a teenage crush on. I seem to remember an episode where you appeared pregnant, that dashed my teenage dreams, lol. anyway, so happy to see you looking well and producing content again; on any platform. I don't have the crush anymore, but, you are still beautiful and of course I subscribed.
Once you drop below ten miles range, find a SAFE place to park. DO NOT use hazard warning lights as these will flatten the 12volt service battery, meaning the controls will not work. Either call out a recharge business or a conventional car recovery operator to load you and transport you to the nearest charging point. Flattening your 12 volt service battery so the controls don't work will create a big problem for both recharge and recovery options.
Recharge is the better option but DO NOT FLATTEN your 12 volt service battery
As soon as a presenter says something daft I cringe. The car still had systems working when the high voltage battery was flat is because they were running off the 12v battery. Even if she was ignorant of this there is a producer, an editor and an entire crew to correct her. But they don’t know what they are talking about either. Experts are more credible.
I CALL IT CHEAP VIDEO
NOT A LOT OF RESEARCH
COSTS MONEY FOR WHAT
I've never run out of petrol, or diesel, or battery charge.
Very nice, it's a great report and a great idea..presented in the cute manner never seen before n auto reporting
Good question... Personally this is where a bluetti or jackery or similar (bonus points for solar panels) would come in handy
great video having just received my new EV it puts your mind at ease if you get low on electric power to plan to get to a charger and know that my car has RAC charge cover as well so thanks and if they're busy there is an alternative source to get power will be checking them out as if they respond and are not too expensive then it will be a great alternative.
Thanks John. Hope you enjoy your EV.
I had RAC cover when broke down they never came the truck canceled the trip and never told me.
Ok, so what happens when this man in a van has charged your battery enough to get to the nearest charge point, but when you get there it doesn't work for some reason?!
EV go app tells you if the charger is working.
What happens if a tow truck brings enough gasoline to get you to the nearest gas station and they are closed for some reason? Any scenario you can come up with could happen with gas too. There may be slightly higher risk with an EV right now, because there are fewer charging stations than gas stations, but eventually that won't be the case.
@@alansach8437 that's ridiculous and you know it is. The chances of a petrol station being closed is miniscule compared to the same thing happening with an EV charger! The risk isn't 'slightly higher' either, it's significantly higher, and hoping there will be as many charging points in the future as there are petrol stations now is either just wishful thinking or delusional.
@@trance_trousers oh yeah go to the c-store and ask hey can I plug my car in going to tell you to go f*** off
When you get to a charging point go have your self a very long dinner time or rent a motel room for the 5 hour charge it will take.
We have an i-Pace and were on a mercy dash from Glasgow to Aberdeen in the dead of winter and my wife would not let me stop to charge as she needed to get to her very ill son as quickly as possible so we inevitably went into limp mode but luckily that lasted the 5 miles to the charger and it was vacant . If you have the Sat Nav set for the journey it shows the battery percentage running down to the destination but if I remember that included the limp mode range. We will not be doing that again I told my wife so inevitably on the way home instead of sitting for another !5 minutes in Dundee charging we had to stop 8 miles from our house to charge again but we made it. Our driving distance in winter was 160 miles but recently we had a 200 mile trip in summer and had 50 miles range left when we got home. It is still an awesome vehicle that I would not change, just as well as the values of them seems to have plummeted recently
Helpful video. Great stuff.
Love the way they use a diesel generator to rescue EV’s that run out of power.
They could have also used a battery and an electric car, or a tow charge from another vehicle (EV or gas)
i think that's the first video i have seen that shows what happens when EV's " Break done " .. all the other have been glossy and wonderful ... that was awesome.... I love turtle mode ! I have shared the video , as i was asked this very qestion a few weeks ago .
Bjørn Nyland has a CZcams channel about EVs, including tests of vehicles until they run out (he carries a portable battery with him to then recharge them enough to get to a charger). Most EVs seem to do a significant distance after 0% www.youtube.com/@bjornnyland
Thanks for watching.
Glad you address the non-controlled environment, but I'm telling you I know people and you give them too much credit they will never plan ahead and where to pull over, that also being said there are too many self-important people out there but I guarantee you will call all three agencies to get a charge to see which one gets there first I don't have an EV I never plan to have one and if I can think of that certainly the self-important people will think of that by the way causing a bigger traffic issue
How many minutes of REAL in your face warning did each give? And how many miles/kilometers or feet/inches did each give to allow you to safely remove yourself from a motorway? Sometimes the next exit might be miles away, which is seconds at 70 mph, but might be minutes at 25 or 30 mph. Great test!
Really useful to see what actually happens, and the recovery situation. It would be useful to say if this is included in RAC membership for an EV or how much RR "charge" for it.
I do believe it is included in a RAC membership, but worth checking. We didn't include the costs, as they can change, but check out their website if you're interested.
recharge-me.co.uk
I'll also add their website link in the description to make it easy for anyone to find them. Thanks for watching.
RAC will come and put a charge into your battery.
RAC must be a UK thing. So, what do you do if you are in a spot that has no cell phone reception ? Likely means a long walk as well as a long wait for either a tow or a recharge service.
You can do this.... or just tow it for a mile at 35mph and let it charge itself, then drive to a supercharger.
It's included in both my breakdown services (one from the car manufacturer, one I pay for separately because they are generally better rated.
No, I have never needed them.
Do you mean 'tortoise mode' or does the car turn into an amphibious vehicle? This anxiety issue would be easily fixed if all ecars allowed you to plug their power pack into another ecar. Then you could simply help any fellow ecar traveller out with a 'jump charge'. Ecars could deliver 230V 50Hz from a special socket under the boot/bonnet. This could not only charge another car but possibly power a 230v electrical appliance in the home or garage or when camping, etc.?
Yes there needs to be a way to jump/ recharge a dead battery on the road from another EV car .
What have you being doing to the drivers headrest on the Renault Zoe Philippa?
That was a very interesting test, thank you. As far as I am concerned that is another reason not to buy (if I could afford one) an all electric vehicle. I have driven some Hybrids and that is the nearest I would go to owning an EV. But even the Hybrids feel so heavy, they are like driving a block on concrete.
An excellent video, thanks very much for taking so much trouble.
This is not a reason to avoid an EV, quite the opposite, it proves they don't suddenly run out, cost is coming down all the time - the MG4 is a great value car.
See if you can rent an EV for a road trip, you will learn a lot and get over your fear of the unknown - you need to experience it first hand I found for all the disinformation and anxiety to float away.
I rented 3 times before buying, by my 3rd rental I knew what I was doing. I do recommend at least one Tesla rental even if you never intend to get one, as it shows what a good charging experience looks like.
Have you ever run out of petrol or diesel?
@@scottvessey915 Yes, but I can pop some more fuel in a matter of minutes and get on my way. Or I can get a friend to tow it home for me.
@@tonyhillyard8876 yep and i towed my mates leaf for a few miles quite happily. Then he had enough battery to drive last 2 miles.
@@bobmuir5811 I take your point Bob, but I just can't get over feeling that this is one of those Betamax moments.
Very useful information. Nice to know there is a margin of error in the SOC battery indicator. As other EV owners have said, why would you not look for a charge point when you’re below 15% or so. Thank you for doing such friendly videos.
Because of Putin 😂😂😂
The only time I haven't is when I'm close to my destination and I know I can charge there.
Yep, top up below 15% or so for any fuel, no different for an EV
Nice detailed video but they left out for me a major question. How much do they charge to come out and rescue you. Or maybe that doesn't matter because if you can afford a ev money is not a problem.
I have another question. What would insurance cost be like for these vehicles
Recovery is included in standard breakdown cover, the suppliers obviously go by statistics and not the hysterical nonsense on this channel.
@@NR-nf1il £400 a year fully comprehensive including breakdown. MG5.
Insurance companies go on hard statistics, not the nonsense on this channel.
Last winter the road outside my gate was closed for 7 hrs. Traffic backed up for miles, a bus full of people. Three fire engines attended with generators, flood lights & hydraulic jaws of life. Four ambulances and the helicopter air ambulance had to land in the nearest village. NONE of that would have worked if everyone was relying on battery powered machinery - just keeping the bus passengers warm for 7 hrs .. .. ... ..
Charging places are on my info screen there is always somewhere to charge , i just cant see how anyone can run out .
Very useful information, will definitely save some of the anxiety from not knowing, would have been nice if you had done more of a summary of distance travelled for all the cars, not just the first, now when are you going to test all other EVs?
It's not her job to help with your anxiety.
I didn't have to go thru many comments to see someone else thinking along my line. A chart of how many miles each vehicle ran after the 0% or 0 miles remaining announcement would have been nice. Just as a data point for comparison. The real thrust of the piece was the experience of running down to zero and how it comes to a stop. Very well done.
THIS IS AWSOME!!!! I WILL GET ONE THIS WEEKEND!!!!!!
Great video, subbed!
In 20 years of driving I've literally never run out of fuel, I don't see why EV are any different. If you get to about 30 or 40 miles of range left in a car, you need to think about where to fuel up if you're gonna be driving further than that.
For long trips you'd plan ahead for normal breaks in the driving being lined up with somewhere to charge, that's it. Basic common sense and a little forward planning you'll never have problems.
This video's mindset takes me back decades to when I was 17 years old when I passed my driving test and bought my first car. At that time the thought about what would happen if I should run out of petrol, or whether the engine would start in the cold mornings, or whether I would have to push-and-jump-start the car loomed heavily. That was REAL anxiety back then! 😂But that's just because it was due to inexperience, innocence and the lack of good quality (affordable) used cars. No one with an ICE car today will run it out of petrol or put themselves in "desperate" situations, so the fact that there are many CZcams videos about running EVs down to 0% SOC just shows how "innocent" we are at this stage of the transition to EVs. Generally, anyone getting an EV today will be fine (there's no anxiety). In a decade (or less), we will look back and consider these "range anxiety" videos to be charmingly innocent.
Correct - but - you'd be amazed how often this comes up in EV discussions, good to see a demonstration video of the non-issue, you get tons of info and warnings.
In my experience the range prediction is far better in an EV. Back when I drove a diesel VW Golf the low-fuel light came on at about 40 miles, and then after 5 miles dropped to 20 miles, and again such that it actually had less than 20 miles when light came on. Whereas in EV I have found the range-to-empty prediction very accurate. Sure, if I drive like a loon then that will fall dramatically ... but the prediction will still be accurate and not suddenly drop like a stone as I approach "empty". Likely if you are running it tight you will slow down ... a lot! ... and that will significantly increase range in an EV. Coupled with SatNav, and many EVs having a 20-ish mile post-0% buffer, its pretty hard to run out ... torrential summer rain, increasing fuel consumption, is the only journey I have had where actual consumption was a problem - would have been same for Petrol. The other risk is arriving at a charger to find them all broken
It really does doesn't it! I think it's the fear of the unknown!
Never had range anxiety, really.
I am a member of the Scottish EV group on Facebook. Never heard of anyone running out of power. I do hear of people in long journeys having problems getting charges in remote locations. Just for info, petrol automatics can't be towed either unless they have the gearbox disengaged so any tow truck should be fine with an EV.
True for fluid flywheel autos, which don't like the input turbine being driven back through the system by the wheels. Should be OK on a CVT or DSG mechanical auto, with a real neutral, like a manual box. I think a non mechanical 4wd car might need a full flat bed recovery, rather than a suspended tow. What was said quickly was that the rescue van uses a generator to make electricity. Oh the shame of it. Note also that EVs do go on a flat bed truck.
How do they get it on the flatbed truck can’t winch it up there ,do they have to lift it on
@@royboy1901 If the parking brake will come off, it can be winched.
@@cjmillsnun thanks for that 🏴
@@royboy1901 There is a big difference between pulling a vehicle for a few tens of meters at low speeds to get it out of a tight spot or load it on the back of another vehicle, and pulling it for miles at 30 or so mph. When people say vehicles can't be flat towed they are referring to the latter.
This explains why my breakdown insurance is so much cheaper for a Tesla than for all the fuel cars I have owned. One day I’ll meet an EV owner who has run out, but I doubt it will be anytime soon.
I have only run out of fuel once in an ICE. That was a 2001 model and the engine just stopped running and I coasted to a stop. EVs seem to have a more controlled turn off.
I think all the lights work off the lead acid battery
Yes. But there’s no alternator, so the 12v battery is charged off the main traction battery.
And for that very reason,the lead acid batteries,some have more than one,Are allways kept a a full charge,hence the ability to use lights and the Hazard warnings.
I've driven electric for 11 years and have NEVER run out of charge.
In Northumberland, a very rural county, I know several electric car owners that are carrying diesel generators in the boots of their vehicle! They just don’t want to be stranded miles away from anyone or anywhere. It’s crazy! Thing is so many of the mileage range figures etc are based upon a track somewhere, not climbing up and down the Northern Pennines, where you can expect half the projected range in the summer, and goodness knows how little in the winter. Many in the dales use 4 x 4 diesels and I really can’t see that changing until tech and infrastructure is much better. Several rural stations in the hills actually have large independent fixed diesel generators in existing fuel stations!!! It’s incredibly frustrating generally, and very few people can afford multiple vehicles one for everyday and another if they have to head to the nearest city. It’s not terribly practical at present. I know of a couple of firms that invested heavily in new electric vans but they’re having to shelve them as they just can’t cope with real motoring and work, 3-4 hours use then 12hours charge, you can’t even get back to base following your normal rounds. Electric plant is even more sucky, 3 hours digging or trenching then you’ve got to haul it back and use another massive multi vehicle generator at base as the plant has different charging requirements to vans. Businesses can’t sustain this, let alone the general motorist up here!!!
So from the standard emergency charge if you’re caught out you get 10 miles from your charge point, when the charging vehicle finally arrives, it’s more likely to need to 40-50 miles up and down 18-25 percent gradients, to get to any infrastructure, it seems that consideration of motoring difficulties doesn’t extend much beyond SW1, vehicles aren’t just a means of conveyance from your “week time only, second home” to your office in the House of Commons!
We had one catch fire here in Paphos smoke and pollution everywhere
Best way not to break is DO NOT BUY A EV.
Seems not every EV gives you 20 miles at 0% which might be a good safety feature and reduce breakdown having to be called out.
Yes a common standard in miles/km regardless of size, weight etc
I like the rescue re-charge business model, think they are going to do well. I just wonder what happens in cold snap. Stuck on a snowed up blocked motorway with hardly any battery left......
Freeze to death.
The contraption becomes a fridge; handy for cooling down drinks and, keeping fruits and veggies fresh.
The solution is simple, fit Bev's with smaller batteries and a range extender (like BMW i3 had). Most regular journeys done EV only, but a backup for longer journeys and charging issues.
That's what I would like to have.
Nice video but this mindset takes me back decades to when I was 17 years old when I passed my driving test and bought my first car. At that time the thought about what would happen if I should run out of petrol, or whether the engine would start in the cold mornings, or whether I would have to push-and-jump-start the car loomed heavily. That was REAL anxiety back then! 😂But that's just because it was due to inexperience, innocence and the lack of good quality (affordable) used cars. No one with an ICE car today will run it out of petrol or put themselves in "desperate" situations, so the fact that there are many CZcams videos about running EVs down to 0% SOC just shows how "innocent" we are at this stage of the transition to EVs. Generally, anyone getting an EV today will be fine (there's no anxiety). In a decade (or less), we will look back and consider these "range anxiety" videos to be charmingly innocent.
There will always be idiots that run out of fuel and it will be the same with EV's, never discount the human propensity to @%*k it up.
@@RushfanUK 🤣🤣
Well since very few EV have a 300 mile plus range. That anxiety is well called for.
When I leave the city there is a highway sign that reads. ( BTW this sign is over 20 miles from the nearest gasstation no less charging point)
Next Fuel and lodging 210 miles.
That is a state highway sign not a billboard.
I carry an extra 20 to 30 gallons of fuel because of this.
And for the most part that sign it true. And that next gas station is high as they can charge for fuel. The next station after that is another 20 miles.
So if gas is $3.50 a gallon in city. The next gas station charges $5.25 a gallon then 20 miles later its $3.05 a gallon.
And IF you can get a tow truck between. Its $600 just to get them to come out. Plus what they charge you for the fuel, or tow.
And if you ran out of fuel. Then shortly you will have to do repairs. Such a new injectors, new fuel pump, new sensors.
If you don't think those parts will go out after you are in for a surprise.
They like to go out about 2 to 5 tanks later.
Oh the wonderful days of carburetors and Manuel fuel pumps.
Oh and I sure the first place to get fuel does NOT have a charging station.
So you will have to go over another 20 miles.
And Im not sure there is a charger there either.
ok curiosity got me so I looked it up.
Its 245 miles between the closest charging points.
And that's hilly and mountain driving.
lol. Guess no EV is making that trip.
Oh and speed limit is 85 mph for 220 miles. Which is another factor. You don't want to be doing less then 70 mph on that highway.
And cell phone service is very spotty.
And law enforcement does not stop for broken down cars. Too hazardous to their health.
And people don't stop either.
lol. I have seen people broken down for days.
And yes, you can drive 130 mph and the law will not pull you over. But when you wreck. it will take 2 hours before law enforcement and ambulance gets to you..And thats after they are notified of the wreck.
I've seen wrecks that it was 6 hours before the person was at the hospital.
That's was ace, thanks 🙏🏼
Thanks guys!
Thanks for your video it has put me off eve's for ever.
I always wondered too. When you run out of battery. What would happen. Thans for the informative video
To be fair I never let my car get before 15% (the lowest I let it get so far) and even at that I could get another 20 miles out of it. Also I been lucky my local charging network has been reliable so far 🤞🏿
In over 10 years of EV ownership I have never 'run out ', been close a couple of times but never actually run out. Depending on your EV depends on what recovery you have, with the Leaf you can ask the RAC to recover you to a charge point or home. It does actually show on the power meter less segments to indicate reducing power availability.
The only time I have ever been recovered is due to a tyre blow out and that can happen on any car!
14 years, 5 BEVs never run out & I have never suffered from range anxiety!
Like you my 8 year old Leaf has never run out. I bottled it once at 5% and begged a 13A socket off a friend but realise looking at this video that I could have continued for another 2 miles to get home.
I have run out of Diesel & petrol on more occasions than I care to remember, worse still I have put the wrong fuel in once or twice & that can be very expensive to remove.
@@wilkoone9155 Sounds like a bike would also work for you.
If you don't have range anxiety with a EV you could be riding a bicycle instead.
There is not a EV made that can last from charging point to charging point here.
Its 245 miles of 85 mph and mountain roads.
No EV today can do that.
I hate when city people have their heads in the sand.
@@dynevor6327 But with fossil fuels you can carry extra fuel.
Very interesting. What age are the vehicles? What distance have they travelled? Would a ten year old 150, 000 mile car be possible and if so what results be obtained?
the power jacks at work have this feature. it shuts off the pump to lift. but has a "reserve" to power the motor so you can move it to a plug to spend 4-5 hrs recharging.
a gas or diesel. will just stop. but can be refueled in 3 minuets.
A little ironic that a fossil-fuel generator has to be brought out to rescue it.
How do you think most EVs are charged in the first place? I’d love to use renewable energy but not that simple yet.. hopefully one day 🤞
To be pedantic, it doesn't have to be that way, it's just the most efficient and expedient solution.
Other options would include pulling up to someone's house in an ultra emergency and asking/paying them for a plug in. You see, it's by strange coincidence that most buildings provide a source of power for EV's.
Not as quick or efficient would be to get out a pack of solar panels and wait a while. Plenty of videos that show people camping with their EV in the middle of nowhere in other sunnier countries. UK doesn't work quite so well for that option hence the most expedient option makes sense.
They could also use a battery power pack but he explained why they don't. They're a recovery service so need to do things quickly and may have multiple jobs.
I could say something like "ironic that petrol cars are transported by electric trains". :)
My question is, what do you do if you can't find someone to come and give you some charge and or you can't find a place to charge it because all the power is off?
It would probably be handled as if it was a mechanical breakdown with having a towing truck take the EV to the most convenient recharging station.
While Philippa said some EVs don't like towing, a trend in the US has been with towing services using a flatbed truck, where the flatbed is tilted down and the disabled vehicle is winched into place. Then the vehicle is secured on the flatbed and taken to a repair station.
Guess what. Petrol stations need power to pump fuel into cars. No power, your ICE car can't refuel either.
things have gone pretty badly at that point ;) but, to answer your question, you use apps like ZapMap and PlugShare to find chargers with recent positive checkins from other users, and then use a regular recovery service that will flatbed your EV to that charger.
Or, get a towing strap (recovery strap) and use the regenerative braking to charge the battery back up.
Tesla's charging network is very reliable and extensive, and they are opening it up to other brands in the UK and Europe.
I've been driving an EV for nearly 4 years now, on long trips, and never run out like this once, never had to use this 0% buffer, always made a charger with at least 1%.
buy a proper car
I would suggest a couple of flaps in the floor that can be opened so that you can walk the car to a charge point Flintstone style.
Ol mate's recharge vehicle, is recharging with petrol/diesel. 👍
Here's one thing that would bother me continually with an EV; knowing that keeping the battery between 45 and 85% of its capacity has a huge effect on the longevity of the battery. I would be worrying too much about the damage I am doing to it when running it down so low.
I certainly like the fact that with a gasoline car, running at 2% or 100% of tank capacity is of almost no concern as far as damage is concerned. I do know that the fuel is used to cool the fuel pump motor, so running with the tank nearly empty on a continual basis is not great.
Depends on the battery chemistry, There are the vehicle cells NMC litium, there are Li-ions mostly in cellphones, Lifepo4 or Lfp for home energy storage or as vehicle cells in some teslas, Lto thats a cell with a voltage curve pretty close to Lead acid batterys but they dont burn and can take an enormous temperature from - 60 up to 80+. Well if you know what you can do with your cells its not that bad, but leaving your ev fully charged a long time would resolve itself, because the traction battery charges the 12v battery several times every day 🤓
Typically, you charge at home to a limit you set once and forget (e.g. 80%) and your daily miles don't get anywhere near 20%, so, for daily driving and home charging, you no longer thing about fuelling - at all.
Road trips, you never hold the battery at those extremes for very long, and you still stay under 80% anyway, because it's so slow to charge above that.
I really reccomend renting an EV for a weekend trip.
@@brushlessmotoring LOL 😂 SHOVE YOUR EV
@@billybrown7953 0 to 60 in 3 seconds is certainly a shove.
@@brushlessmotoring this all may be true, but it still isn't selling itself to people who are used to not having all the limitations of trying to keep their petrol tank between 20 and 80 % full or having to trickle fuel it every night. It always amazes me how EV fans can self justify all of the limitations that they inflict on themselves. It would be fine and just an oddity if it wasn't being inflicted on everyone else who don't want those restrictions and regard it as going backwards or de evolving.
Nice video - a summary of miles past zero per model would be interesting.
Hopefully this helps some nervous pre-ev drivers feel more confident in taking the plunge - I really recommend renting an EV for a road trip if are you still on the fence about buying one, and, even if you can't stand the Tesla brand, and never intend to buy one, I do recommend renting one for your first EV adventure, their charger network is good.
It would have been interesting to see which vehicles could be tow charged - it is possible to rescue an EV (probably before it is completely dead) by towing it from another vehicle with a tow strap and using the regenerative braking to recharge the battery enough to get to the next charger - it can actually recharge quite quickly this way, much faster than a rescue charge that only uses AC.
It's really hard to completely run out, but that's great advice on getting somewhere safe before it happens - I've only really seen people do it like this to show what happens, I've seen one Tesla on a recovery truck brought to a charger, to which the sheepish looking driver said "I ignored the nav" - flat bed to a super charger would be my preferred option, but in 4 years and 40,000 miles, I've never run completely flat - I have it run it to zero a couple of times to get to a charger - probably with 10 miles past zero still available - but I really don't recommend it.
That is the type of information a manufacturer should supply, far more useful than the 0-62 (0-100 Kmh) time.
I don’t have a home charger; I just fully ‘recharged’ my Nissan Qashqai. It was almost completely depleted I didn’t have to wait for a charge point and it cost me £50. I now have a range of around 520 miles. Happy days!
Oh, by the way, it’s petrol.
😂
Surely the warning light is of a tortoise to indicate that you are slowing down. NOT a turtle.
If I were to purchase an EV, I would definitely purchase a small trailer and a Honda generator to tow everywhere I went!
Will that work? I think you’d need 220 v and small Honda puts out 110.
EV runs out of battery... needs an ICE genrator to recover... 🤣
Could have also been rescued with an electric Ford Transit with the 240V 30A inverter package, or could be tow-charged by another EV. In 40,000 miles, I've never needed this type of service, it's a rare exception.
My Volvo C40 has a built in reserve of 9kWh. If I run out, I use the Volvo support button and they remotely free up that reserve power so you can get to a safe spot or charger. Haven’t the other brands got such a reserve ?
I have yet to meet an EV drivers who ran out of charge. In the UK every month typically 70,000 drivers run out of petrol or diesel … and don’t forget that many diesels need to be bled afterward to get the air out of the system. Expensive!
I have been questioning this for years and years. That was very informative. I would have liked more info on how far you can actually travel once the warnings start to appear. That would be useful as you can alter your route to (hopefully) get to the nearest charging point. The only big gap I see is that should you be stuck on the motorway or road and stuck in a large traffic stop, say because of an accident, what can you do then ?
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