Abortion teen guy: "I don't really understand all that legal stuff" Everyone else's thoughts: Then why are you joining a group that want to change LAWS in our country.
I love this guy. He actually asks unbiased questions to the group of student, but subtly inserts things that make them think critically in a way that doesn't offend them. Whenever those students are about to crack, Big Boss Veronica comes in and shuts down any critical thinking they're doing.
A lot of things Veronica stepped in on were questions meant for our (the Texas Right to Life) legal team. The newbies are there to learn how to think and answers these types of questions. During their next session which takes place next summer they will learn about the legal part of the issue & maybe they will be able to answer the question on their own.
You could tell the media handler would jump in any second she sensed there was a question the first-years hadn't been trained how to respond to… and that last bit about not publicly supporting Bernie or Beto, it's almost as if they don't respect these students as individuals, but just another investment.
Well, all I can say is that the interviewer did an amazing job remaining unbiased and asking critical questions - their responses alone exposed so much.
THE WAYYYY that one woman interjected as soon as she saw the slightest bit of doubt in the students’ eyes and was politely like “don’t ask them any more questions, eat”
Totally picked up on that! All through this video we can see the students being shielded from any question that casts any doubt. This is not education it's indoctrination, point blank.
That was a long awkward pause, not a "slight bit of doubt" 🤣🤣 --- He hadn't been taught the dark jedi ways into spinning an answer about how arguing/debating for their side IS "considering both sides"
Well they literally said that the kids are not capable of doing critical thinking by saying someone else have already done that for them yet they want them to go and debate 🤣🤣.
one.... the parent had right to do with thier kid... 2 concept of right to live had many debate... 3.. goverment is not that trustworthy... pro-life... you had to had abilty to support that decision or.. your word just come out of your asshole...
@Isidore A -- maybe because you're not familiar with the english language ? :) 😂 It's not a "thing" ... it's called a cautionary, thoughtful, & profound answers ! :)
@@researchdesignz that’s a very foreign sounding assumption to make. I was born in the USA. Perhaps if you were too you would understand why the above quotes sounded so cringe inducing for 119 people, and in no way wise and profound.
@@isidoreaerys8745 -- A person refusing to answer is VERY American ... Ask around, in most foreign cultures, you wouldn't get away with just saying ... "intersting" or flatout saying "i don't want to answer your question" :)! In the West you hv the right & freedoms say so, yes or no or refuse to answer... in many other places you don't .. not culturally appropraite! so in short, even if you're born in the US, it sounds like you're thinking in a different way... in general, it's not actually a bad traite... but in this context, you attacking this person for refusing to answer seems very odd & ... worrisome!
@@isidoreaerys8745 -- And I also wonder what is the reason for your Double standard? If you look interview videos made at abortion clinics, there are plenty who refuse to answer questions, mainly because they don't want the media to twist & turn things around... or afraid they might say give the wrong answer. So WHY can't you look at these people the same way as you do with pro-choice people ?? That's my biggest puzzle. Do you not see the double-standard / hypocrisy here ... ? now that's very cringe-worthy!
I was harassed by a Christian group disguised as an abortion clinic, for inquiring about getting the procedure done. A woman I know that was addicted to drugs and trying to get an abortion because she couldn’t stop using heroin, they LOCKED HER IN A ROOM AND FORCED HER TO WATCH A PROLIFE PROPAGANDA video.
They don't wanna do that because pro-life really means pro-birth and seems to at least of late has ties to racist ideas. Pro-life conservatives perpetuated the conspiracy theory that Demographic shifts are the main issue to worry about because white people build America. They also dismiss that Nazi germany had anti abortion laws for people of Germanic decent, and that it therefore has ties to eugenics. I think their main ideas have some ties into the save the white race ideas, at least on a Republican political level, perhaps not on the activist level.
@@GeertTheDestoyer demographics change is changing the country that is not up for debate. I think sex ed should be purely biological and scientific. And teach how to use different types of birth control. Not sex positive or any other opinions.
@@dlam2864 sex is just as social as it is biological and scientific and if you dont teach consent and relationships you are not properly educating them
Exactly, preventing unwanted pregnancy is a more practical goal than trying to convince women out of getting abortions. Even if someone is against pre-marital sex, it's still a lesser "sin" than abortion.
them: *harassing people outside of a Planned Parenthood bc they think everybody's there to get an abortion* the people inside just trying to get a pregnancy or STI test, birth control or a general wellness check: 👁👄👁
Planned parenthoods are so important to even prevent abortions. People get condoms, birth control, PRENATAL CARE, etc for free from planned parenthood. It’s so important. I remember someone telling a story about their single mom walking through protestors to get prenatal care. They called the mom slut, murderer and they didn’t even know that she was just going there to get care to KEEP her baby.
Anayvette Lopez they would never.... They would only do it if blm or ice protesters was a unborn. Knock two birds out with one stone,crack pot logic.lol
They_Call_Me_ Pebbles you’re not getting her point... she’s said that bc since all these pro lifers care SOoooOOOOoooo much human rights and discrimination they should be at BLM and ICE protests since it deals with the issues of human rights and discrimination
I sure wish all of these young people would put forth the same energy in protecting living breathing children who have already been born. Imagine the good they could do.
I love how when the host asked whether the students are learning to look at the issue from both sides (i.e. pro-life and pro-choice), all the students just fell silent, 🤣🤣🤣.
Ironic how even with the amount of "training" they have, whenever a difficult question is asked, the lady in green comes to the rescue and says they can't answer that question, backing it up with a shabby excuse.
It's like if the training is so good, then why do they need the lady in green to come to the rescue when a difficult question is asked. Shouldn't they just be able to answer the question themselves.
@@richlaw5136 million of unborn cells that's are not even defined into anything significant. It's better for you not to jerk of as you are killing the "potential" babies. 🤣🤣🤮
The students in this video were being taught about abortions with a freaking cartoon. Those people yelling outside the facility are ignorant. ... Conservatives/Religious People (in my opinion) are willingly delusional... It leads to a lot of ignorance, messed up logic, and hate because they live and socialize in a bubble.
11:06 the kid said "fetus and embryo in latin and greek literally mean child" and OH BOY was I ready for this. Fetus in Latin has, like most Latin words, more meanings than one: as a noun, (fetus, fetus) it means childbirth; as an adjective (fetus, feta, fetum) it means pregnant; as a verb (feto, fears, fetare) it means giving birth and/or impregnate. In Ancient Greek, different from Modern Greek, embryo (έμβρυοv, έμβρυου) literally means both newborn and FETUS, and also lamb. The word έμβρυο is also used as a prefix to build words, verbs nouns and adjectives, that are about a FETUS. It literally refers to an UNBORN CHILD. The romans and ancient greeks didn't have enough medical knowledge to know the different stages of a pregnancy and how the baby goes from conception to newborn, so the words fetus and embryo, which are two different things used modernly, referred to the child in the womb at any stage, even AFTER the first nine weeks, after which abortions are only allowed in critical conditions and are very rare. Next time you try to use languages to enforce your ideas, fact check, please.
The stages and name changes are arbitrary. Romans/Greeks not having medical knowledge of development has nothing to do with it. The stages are there in order to define some milestones perhaps, but the process of development is fluid in the womb and continues out of the womb. The human continues to develop throughout the entirety of their life.
It's very easy to dismantle their arguments: 1. Seeing as the best way to prevent abortion is to prevent pregnancy in the first place, what are three ideas you have to widen access to contraception and comprehensive sexual education? Are you willing to provide birth control for free? How many hours of comprehensive sex ed do you think students should have per semester? 2. As someone who is pro-life, how would you expand public welfare programs to support babies and mothers after birth? How would you ensure these children and their moms do not go hungry? For example, are you willing to drastically expand daycare? Are you willing to provide unwed mothers with a basic income? 3. A fertility clinic is on fire, and time is of the essence. You can save the contents of one room of two. In Room 1: Thousands of frozen embryos. Room 2 is a waiting room with ten patients. Which do you save - the thousands of embryos, or the ten people in the waiting room? (In essence, do you honestly believe embryos are the same as people?) I've had many arguments with pro-lifers, and using these points has always, always, always backed them into admitting that they believe pregnancy should be punishment for premarital sex, and they really don't care about what happens to the baby and mother after the baby is born. It's shockingly easy to reveal what really matters in the pro-life movement: controlling women and maintaining patriarchy.
Ashleigh Adams I don’t have anything to counter your arguments. Because they are so well put. 👏 And I agree with a lot of the comments saying these kids are a bit brainwashed. When you do ask if they’re in favor of widening access to contraceptives, pro sex ed or willing to expand benefits for unwed mothers and their children, I want to know more of what they say. Or do they shrug and parrot the same talking points because that’s all they know? I’m honestly curious.
1. Sex ed should be comprehensive and thorough. I believe sex ed should also include awareness of how media acts "woke" about sex/love while also wildly marketing it to young teens. I'm not sure birth control should be free, but maybe supported so it's not wildly overpriced. You should have the choice if you wish it 2. Yes I am in support of a UBI, but for all Americans. Short of that I believe Daycare should be wildly expanded along with paternity and maternal leave. Daycare would dramatically help families and I am pro family. 3. I'm not sure how I would save thousands of embryos as I'm not really privy as to how that works and is it even possible to carry them through a fire? In a practical sense I'd save the ten people. It's still a tragedy either way. None of these points really seem like counter arguements to Pro Life. Like why would I be against expanding sex ed? Or increasing support for new monthers?
@@markheath14 A lot of the same states that have attempted to (or succeeded in) enact laws against abortion are states that have very dismal sex education programs. They are abstinence-only based, and do not educate people on how they can become pregnant or how to prevent it in any reasonable way besides "don't do it". It's unfortunate to see. Regardless, if someone who simply does not want to be pregnant and takes all of the appropriate precautions gets pregnant anyway, it is a fundamental difference of ideologies for those of us who believe that abortion should be a legal option for any potential child-bearing person.
@@HillaryCampbell we do fundamentally disagree when it comes to the availability of the abortion option. And yes I'll admit a lot of pro lifers are backwards in their manner of tackling an issue, but to me it seems we are trying to solve multiple issues with a single choice. A terrible analogy to sum up my view of the abortion talk is One side wanting to freely throw away computers with viruses The other side being against the "carefree" destruction of computers while also being against antivirus software. To me we got two bad choices and the best answer lies in the middle.
@@markheath14 The best answer is never having the state force a woman to give up nine months of her life. Nor is it to make homicide divisions of the police force investigate miscarriages. Making abortions illegal, is not the solution to reduce abortions.
How? I mean the recent Texas law literally says you CANNOT SUE THE WOMAN. I love seeing ignorant people. Please read more on the topic before you make these uninformed statements :D
Yes! My husband just asked if abortion is outlawed would Planned Parenthood just disappear. The rhetoric that all they do is abortions has really permeated the culture, I had to inform him that that is just one of many valuable services they provide.
That's the look of someone who's had his questions sidetracked SOOO many times, he's just done. He was asking the students their opinion, not the organizations.
You can hear him sighing 😩. I watched that like three times. You can tell his questions Have been diverted over and over. Politics is a bloodsport and if these kids want to engage then they should be able to explain why.
20:16 "I'm still learning how to state my own thoughts" was really just another way of her saying "I'm yet to be told what I should think about that particular issue".
@Gerrit Rempfer 🤔...taking out her trauma and anger on the child...🤔. Let’s start with “send it” to an adoption center. Would that be by courier or by ups? You make it sound so nonchalant. Gerrit, is it? 9 months of pregnancy (well technically 10, but hey! you’re not counting) is a long time to endure for someone who hasn’t been raped, let alone someone who has.
Pro choice people just want a choice. We aren’t pro-abortion. My body my business. If I was pregnant, I most likely wouldn’t have an abortion, but if you need to, go ahead.
@She’s so Lucky Actually, if taken correctly, the pill doesn't fail. Your argument is based on the carelessness of people to either follow instructions correctly and/or have a medical follow up with an ob-gyn to make sure the pill the women is taking isn't having any advert reactions with her biology. This is the same thing with condoms. They rip because they are poorly stored or put on. It's always better for women to avoid abortions, but pro-lifers and pro-choicers don't want that because that isn't how they earn a living. That's why in the US 1 out of 3 women will have an abortion, and despite all the achievements made with contraception, they strangely don't seem to "work". Again, so strange, but when women actually go see an ob-gyn they don't have repeated unwanted pregnancies, but if they only listen to Planned Parenthood, or listen to the natural contraception discourse, they just keep getting pregnant. This whole abortion thing shouldn't be about a woman's bodily rights, but about a woman's right to education, which again, pro-lifers and pro-choicers couldn't care less about. They just defend their income revenus.
“Saving the world”. Really!? 🙄 How about putting all of that money and energy into helping children in the foster care system who need funding and adopting! What a joke.
So, are you also going to tell men not to masterbate because the sperm has potential for life? Or is it really just about controlling the woman? Do you like muffins? If I handed you a muffin cup with just dough in it, you'd be pretty mad. BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BAKE TO BECOME A MUFFIN. SCIENCE NEEDS TO HAPPEN. An acorn isn't a tree. A fetus isn't yet a person. A sperm is not a person. An egg is not a person. A chicken is not an egg. THESE ARE BASIC CONCEPTS.
Reporter: Why not put more energy in helping the new mother and her baby? Pro-life Cultists: We prefer to shame them with our self-righteous songs and prayers.
@@lmss3309 wow, you are obviously uneducated. It's still HER body even if she's pregnant. It doesn't matter if she's pregnant or not having the option to have a safe abortion is a human right.
As a Jewish person, I'm kind of uncomfy with this program drawing similarities between the murdering of conscious adults and children and a medical procedure....
A medical procedure? Really? So many comments on here criticize these students for being disconnected from “reality”. That phrase is incredibly disconnected from what an abortion is.
@@rachelrobbins1409 it’s a medical procedure. Use that energy to take care of babies after they are born instead. I don’t see pro lifers fighting for gun control or to make sure kids in the US get to eat everyday, provide affordable daycare, or make sure medical bills are paid. Maybe you could tell them to make sure the kids wear mask to school during a pandemic, make sure that those over 12 and the parents get vaccination so they don’t harm the children you pretend to care about. Better, why don’t you do a camp about becoming foster parents to all those babies.
@@rachelrobbins1409 an abortion is a medical procedure which cares for the wellbeing of the unwilling carrier of an embryo. I say embryo because I do not believe it is a living and conscious human so therefore not a baby. Life is a subjective philosophical concept that science cannot back, seriously, try defining life with science and you come up inconclusive. This is because everyone thinks of what life is differently so most scientists won't want to approach it because it does not have objective measures. Also in advocating for solely the 'baby' inside of the womb you are dehumanising the struggles, wellbeing, and life of the mother at present and what the child may face in the future.
I mean, euthanasia could be considered a "medical procedure". We could call any type of murder a "medical procedure". I'm quite sure that sterilizing people who they saw as unfit in the 3rd reich was just considered a "medical procedure", and not an atrocity and a impairment of human rights. Please word your argument better next time before you cause a lot of atrocoties :P
When they where talking to that lady who was raped, they could t make a proper argument so they just nodded their heads and because they knew that they couldnt say anything to that
Did you know that you can actually suture a uterus onto yourself if you dont have one and transplant whatever clump of cells you care so much about into yourself and risk your own life gestating it and cutting yourself back open to push it out? Why dont you walk around for the better part of a year slipping into debt and poverty while everyone arund you belittles and patronizes you and help themselves to violating your boundaries and touching your stomach? Go do it! FORCED LABOR IS SLAVERY
I have argued with a guy who used the video where the baby is unrealistically getting "ripped up" and I told him that is highly unrealistic. I told him that in many stories of women getting abortions sometimes you just get a pill/medicine or you do an actual procedure, then a girl who is pro-choice said "You mean Plan-B" and I said no they don't give you just plan b at an abortion clinic. It's sad how people don't have the basic info and try to argue stuff.
I assume you were referring to first trimester abortions when you said they weren't ripped up? It really depends on how far along the infant is in its development and its growth rate. Up to 10 weeks, the pill that causes a forced delivery can be used. The embryo is pushed out through a forced miscarriage. Up to 14 weeks, the embryo might also be removed by suction. In the second and third trimester, drugs can be used to induce labor and drugs might also be injected into the baby's heart to insure death before birth. The most common abortion after 15 weeks is the D&E, and the mother is usually sedated. The cervix is opened, and the infant is removed by forceps and usually dismembered in the process. The uterus is scraped out to be sure all pregnancy tissue is extracted. At 24 weeks and up, the D&E is performed under general anesthesia. The infant is injected to insure that the heartbeat is stopped. The cervix is opened a bit wider, and usually forceps are used to dismember and remove the infant. If an intact removal is to be performed, the legs are pulled out first, and then the skull is crushed to ease intact removal. It is common to dismember infants after a certain point in the pregnancy, which is why the staff then has to count the pieces to make sure all are accounted for and none are left inside the mother. Look into the procedures themselves as to how the killing is done, and under what circumstances the "actual procedures" of partial birth abortion are performed. As well as the separation of parts that are sometimes then sold or donated to science. Fascinating reading.
@@dodieodie498 I appreciate your use of medical terminology for most of your comment. I would like to clarify one of the terms you used. The term “foetus” and not “infant” should be used when referring to an organism pre-birth. Using the term infant implies consciousness and sensory awareness, and is quite disingenuous.
@@veenavinod4236 According to the definition, the word, "infant" is used when "denoting something at an early stage of its development". As it has also been shown that the preborn do respond to stimuli and can even recognize voices, I will continue to use the words that I consider appropriate. As to the question of consciousness, unless we can each return to the womb or somehow trigger recall of that time, we will never know the degree to which consciousness is developed in a preborn infant.
@@dodieodie498 That’s incorrect. The American Academy of Pediatrics defines a foetus as “from 8 weeks after conception until term while in the uterus” and an infant as “live born and younger than 365 days of age.” You can refer to their paper here: doi.org/10.1542/peds.2011-1037
its so gross that they're calling it genocide too. like the united nations defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". fetuses aren't any of the above! its being used as a buzzword to rile them up and its gross
Yeah that might not be right to compare, but let me ask you this. People say my body my choice. But do you think the same as your mom? No so you should not be making the choice to kill an unborn child. I’m done and I am just putting out my opinion
a bit of a false equivalence don't you think? the death penalty is reserved for people who have commited crimes like murder. Abortion (if you believe in a soul) is killing an unborn and innocent baby
@@aldoushuxley5953 so basically, if someone commits a serious enough crime, they deserve to die and nit suffer for the time they would have left, but a fetus deserves to be born in a life of suffering? Lmao what?
@@babyuchiha4526 pro birth not life. Pro life activism would not consist of ruining many lives by forcing women to bring another life into this world they may not be capable of caring for and that will be vurnable to abuse in a for profit fostercare system. Pro life activisim would aim to improve the educational system in place and provide free contraceptives to reduce accidental pregnancies or creating a safer more stable fostercare/adoption programs. But that's not what this is about. They bribe, infantalize and indoctrinate warm bodies so they can be used as mouth peices to push an agenda. I theorize this agenda is the production of capital off of birth and raising babies. It's an industry.
I saw a pregnant woman arguing that she deserves an extra stimulus check for her fetus, but pro lifers said that she isn't entitled to one because the fetus isn't a human yet 🤡 the jokes write themselves
No, the reason they we aren't gonna give checks to pregnant woman is because abortion is still legal. The woman can just get an abortion, get pregnant again, get the check, then get an abortion, repeat. How dense can you be.
@Faseeha B -- just like you call out this "white lady"... would you call out your own community "muslim women" who believes exactly that ( even more extreme views on abortion ) ?? Why the double standard - hypocrisy?
@@ayi6133 -- lol right when you loosely threw around the word "christian", i knew your bigotry & the education level... that you hvnt studied any others outside of your bubble before ... as you're clearly ignorant to the fact that the pro-life view isn't just a christian issue... it reaches across the board on all cultures, religions, & ethnicities... likely your mom/dad & your grand folks too :) ... hence you're born & living to argue w me here :) Anyhow keep going buddy... your christaphobia is shinning :)
@@researchdesignz yes, my life revolves around you and this argument. i've been sitting by my computer in the dark waiting for you to respond. praise zeus that you did! if you know my education level, then what it is? I guarantee that I know more about the scriptures than you (a funny thing for an atheist to brag about) as i spent two decades in the church and was heading to seminary, before... i .... woke up. you are right about abortion being an issue that brings together many cultures and religions. Trump's recent global abortion ban, the Geneva Consensus Declaration, has many Catholic and Muslim nations who all oppose women's rights. are you from Sri Lanka?
@@researchdesignz Rationally huh? So in these debates you're never gonna say 'but in the English-written Bible, I'm interpreting that...' also, you're not pro-life, you're pro-birth. Most of your ilk doesn't give a hoot about the hardship and suffering a person/family may go through with a new born. And a lot of ya love the death penalty for actual humans, and maybe some of them were ones you 'saved' from planned parenthood.
@@literaticrux8292 -- hey drifter... stop drifting from the my point :) I answered to your first comment precisely... now you're all over the place bible, pre-birth, bla bla ! oh my :) The mambo jumbo u just wrote somehow tells me that you woulndt mind taking someone's life if hardship/difficulties etc are your justification! Which tell me, we are not in the same page , neither in the same mental level to hv a debate here... so i better get outta here before i waste my time with a drifter who may also be a potential psychopath ! One last advise -- get some help !
Good one lol, indeed so many ways you could be trying to save the world, so many issues, so many lives, so many problems in the world, so many people visibly suffering, yet pro-prolifers chose to worry about a bunch of cells, a 'life' that doesn't even exist.
21:26 it’s crazy how she thinks that if abortion is made illegal there will be more babies. i think it would just cause more unsafe and illegal abortions.
I mean, people tend to lead towards the law, especially when they don't have a strong religion or specific ideology. Therefore, more people are going to see it as immoral and decide to not murder the human inside them, meaning we will likely have a million more people born a year. Sure, some people will attempt to bypass this, but a million mothers who wished to not keep their babies aren't just going to take a stupid risk to kill it through other methods.
@@DrMosseeay But a pregnancy is much riskier than an abortion so much more women will die. Shown in this research: A research note on the mortality consequence of denying all wanted induced abortions Abstract In this research note, I estimate one component of the mortality impact of denying all wanted induced abortions in the U.S. This estimate quantifies the magnitude of an increase in pregnancy-related death which would occur solely due to the greater mortality risk of continuing pregnancy to term compared to having a legal induced abortion. Using published statistics on pregnancy-related mortality ratios, births, and abortions, I estimate U.S. pregnancy-related deaths by race/ethnicity before and in first and subsequent years of a total abortion ban. I estimate deaths after a total abortion ban by assuming all induced abortions are denied, assuming each abortion denied averts 0.8 births, and increasing exposure to pregnancy-related mortality accordingly. I find that in the first year of ban, estimated pregnancy-related deaths would increase from 675 to 724 (49 additional deaths, 7% increase), and in subsequent years to 815 (140 additional deaths, 21% increase). Non-Hispanic Black women would experience the greatest increase in deaths (33% increase in subsequent years). Estimated pregnancy-related deaths would increase for all race/ethnicities examined. Denying all wanted induced abortions in US would increase pregnancy-related mortality substantially, even if unsafe abortion does not increase. Or this: The influence of abortion legislation on maternal mortality Abstract Worldwide some 20 million unsafe abortions take place each year and account for approximately 13% of all maternal mortality and serious complications associated with it, such as sepsis, hemorrhage and trauma. Only a quarter of all women in the world do not have any access to legal abortion, whereas 40% have a legal right to decide for themselves. This liberalization of abortion legislation has seen a tremendous drop in abortion-related maternal mortality. Death from unsafe abortions are almost unknown in countries where abortion is available on request. Reduction of the need for induced abortion through the provision of good family planning services should be an integral part of healthcare. Consistent use of contraception greatly reduces the need for abortion, but it cannot completely eliminate this need. Thus, it is essential that safe medical abortion services should be made available to all women in the world in cases of contraceptive failure. Commentary: the public health consequences of restricted induced abortion--lessons from Romania. Abstract: The question of whether abortion should be legal is currently being decided in many countries. Although much of the discussion has focused on ethical issues, the public health consequences should not be overlooked and should be addressed realistically and responsibly. Nowhere are the public health manifestations of restricted abortion more apparent than in Romania. The pronatalist policies of the Ceaucescu regime resulted in the highest maternal mortality rate in Europe (approximately 150 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births) and in thousands of unwanted children in institutions.
@@DrMosseeay I think it is not a question if these cells/fetus/baby is a human being or not. I think the question is weather the government should force someone to use their body to help someone else stay alive. There is no other situation where the government has this power - for example in my country I can decide weather I want to be an organ donor after death or not, I can decide weather I deny people my DEAD body so they die. There is no law forcing me to use my DEAD body to help someone else stay alive. But somehow … women don’t have this autonomy over their body while STILL ALIVE.
@@DrMosseeay Dude, most people don't have babies nowadays, not because of the abortion, but because they literally can't support a child. The removal of abortion would not automatically make all women want to have children, just as the legalization of abortion did not make all women want to abort, in what world do you live? "people tend to lead towards the law, especially when they don't have a strong religion or specific ideology." What a great way to say you've never talked to with an atheist.
That's a telltale sign that they don't understand the consequence of their ideal world. No one can say what they want the punishment to be for abortion.
This was a hard one to watch... so many levels of indoctrination and thought-control. They are indeed far more 'Pro BIrth' rather than 'Pro Life.' Kudos to the reporter, he was very professional.
Why would you assume this? Texas Right to Life is very much against the death penalty. They financially support pregnancy centers that provide women with neonatal care and help with their newborn.... Way to assume, my dude. Have an open mind about people who think different from you. They're not all the devil.
@@sammif23 Except that the Devil in the Bible is a fallen angel that uses truth and twists it into an angle that sways someone without being completely straight forward to then lead them into believing misinformation without needing to further guide them. Hasn't this and many other videos proven that these organisations are very much like the devil depicted in the bible? They aren't using facts but screw facts and exaggerate them to fit their narrative void of any scientific study. So they're acting like a cult that brainwashed *CHILDREN* to unquestioningly believe without critical thinking. So yes Karen, they are the 'Devil'.
@@rockytalks9981 I know some pro-life support by donation or housing for the child, but do they actually care for that child's well-being for the entire life or not? I don't think so. Not everyone involved in sexual acts in any situation planned toward having a child and postpone their education or anything else in life. And not everyone has good support within their community no matter how much the pro-life ppl helped them. Pro-choice is also pro-life but the addition of having a choice.
Huh? WHO ever said that you can’t be a mother and successful in feminism? The feminism piece is saying you get to decide if you’re going to be a mom or not.
Literally most woman right activists and modern feminists throughout the 20th century advocated anti-abortion and believed that abortion subverted the authority of the woman and the politicizing and partisan movement within in was an act of suppression.
Being pro life is like a pet project for people of privilege who want to protest something and then go home to their comfy and safe homes. They want to feel good not do good.
Well said. Right choices don't always feel good, but they don't make them any less right. I feel like these people just don't get it that all women can't afford several kids, and by having another kid they are risking the future of the kids they already have.
Like i take birth control and i do a lot to make sure i don't get pregnant. If I have concerns I test or take plan b. And who knows, maybe i have conceived but the embryo failed, that happens enough. But what I know in my bones, is the terror i felt at the prospect of waiting on those tests, if they came back positive. I would definitely abort the child. I do not have the desire to raise children, I think if you are a parent you have so much responsibility to the child. That's my biggest thing, if you have a child it's because you are committed to that child, people say they want a family, they love babies, etc, but to me, children are about commitment, a high level of responsibility. I have to raise my child well and consider their needs first. SO what if i don't or can't meet their needs? Then I best never let them suffer. It is a child you made, you forced to exist that you are committed to no matter what, I meet so many parents who don't really practice that. I saw my friends being raised in broken homes, in the foster systems. I have seen how awful it is to be an unwanted child. So ultimately, I have a responsibility to that child to make sure they don't have an unloving parent and aren't abandoned to this careless world. I know I would be a cold mother, I know i don't want to be a mother, and i know that being in a broken family is terrible.
@@EilisLornaWalsh Is a zygote a baby? Is the first week (a clump of cells) a baby? The vast majority of abortions occur around the first stages (zygote).
That eye roll by the reporter :') too good. 19:53 The reporter is really good!! His questions put those kids in a place where they had to think for themselves for once.
"i'm still learning to state my own thoughts," she says. Her handler had only just finished explaining which thoughts it was appropriate for a good Christian girl to have, and Lisa-Marie generally had to be told something at least three times before she could repeat it with enough conviction for it sound like her own.
I understand that people can be pro life, but to focus on the “pre-born” instead of focusing on the billions of already born seems so ridiculous. What about the children in the foster care system? Who is advocating for a better life for them? What about the cost of pregnancy and hospital births and the several complications that pregnancy entails? The loss of wages, the public shame, these people do not understand the other side and it hurts their cause.
Exactly they constantly fight for the rights of unborn kids not the ones that were born and are unwanted. They need to give all the fund from this for foster care!!
The "pro-life" movement is about keeping women in their place by burdening them with childcare and (for some) repopulating this country with white babies. The people directing and funding these right-wing movements are the worst kind of cynical.
Exactly. An abortion isn’t an easy decision. Most people don’t have them because the baby is an “inconvenience”. They have it because they live in an abusive house where the baby would be abused, they can’t afford to raise the baby, they or their baby would have severe deficits that could ruin their life or the baby would die or kill the mother during childbirth. The privilege of these kids presuming people just don’t want to have a baby is horrifying
Do they teach them how to foster or adopt children? How about helping out the mothers who they shame into going through with unplanned pregnancies and said children? Those would be useful skills for a "pro-lifer".
LoL, most pro lifers are pro death penalty after birth. If someone cant hack it because they were born to parents that couldnt take care of them, didnt get proper education, turned to crime because of poverty and lack of opportunity etc. These pro lifers suddenly want to see that person in the chair rather than pay extra taxes on ANYTHING.
The same pro-life people I met are against government assistance. Like.. ? If a couple doesn’t want a child and is forced to carry to full term, they’re more than likely doing it because they can’t afford it or aren’t in the right place in life to care for an infant.
Almost all of the prolife organizations and advocates I follow help women and their children, whether that be through adoption education, or even raising money to help mothers out with rent and other necessities needed to care for their babies! If you're interested in donating to the cause I highly suggest you research som adoption/foster agencies in your area and see what they need help with!
@fortheone4 You say a lot about what this university supposedly does for pregnant students, but what about after? What about the kids? This is my whole point. Every "pro life" organization I have come across seems to take no interest whatsoever in protecting children after they're born, they only care about foetuses and forcing people to stay pregnant.
I wonder how many of these kids are pro-choice when it is them or people like them. pro-lifers always seem to change their tune when people like want one since 'they really need it, unlike those sluts!'
I would venture to say ALL support adoption and sex Ed classes. As a pro life person myself, I would love to adopt a child or two when I’m able. They should make it more affordable to adopt, then more people would I am sure.
“We are discriminating against an entire group of people….the unborn” she says to a man of color sits right in front of her whose people have been discriminated against since….ever…The irony.
These people aren't "pro-life". They're anti-abortion. Pro-lifers would oppose war, military/weapons spending, and be proponents of universal healthcare and a competent pandemic response.
that's an ignorant argument... So let's reverse it -- according to your own logic, what about those who care abt wars, military spendings, bald-eagles eggs :) , whales, pandas, oceans, etc ... have the same compassion & care about an unborn children who're being ripped apart & murdered in their mother's womb ??
@@somerandomperson6936 fetuses are not human beings, pregnancies occasionally miscarry and 700 women die from child birth every year. Think about those lives of dead American women. Healthcare is not a component of the “pro-life” movement. Birth is. That’s it. No care for the actual living. It’s selfish.
@@MP-ir6ic wars impact a whole community, not that I care if one starts or not. abortions can save mothers with complications, prevent victims from more trauma, and we are certainly not running out of humans. taking away abortions is not going to stop them from happening so we should allow people to do what they want with their own bodies, whether it be assisted suicide or not wearing your mask we should let people have options
Just IMAGINE if they used the thousands of dollars they have to support sex education, foster care, low-income communities, etc. This ‘boot camp’ REEKS of privilege and miseducation🤢
they are just so disconnected from the actual issue that it's hard to take a single word out of their mouths seriously...shrouded in ignorance to the situation
What a delightful group of white upper class children gathered to enjoy their privileged position that everyone is in the position to give birth to a child 🙃
@@johnnycha-rach1112 A name does not make a being. For all I know your god could be a being of unending hunger and malice so no, keep your unfounded fanatics to yourself. I don't want to be indoctrinated into a cult that is only successful because they brainwashed their children.
I think one of the funniest things is these privileged children standing outside a Planned Parenthood singing and crying and carrying on while only 3% of PP's services are abortion-related. You're standing in the rain for people getting pelvic exams and STI testing.
This is one of the oldest arguments in PP's favor and it's utter garbage. Anything that a patient receives is considered a "service", such as checking in, getting a pre-abortion scan etc. This statistic is very misleading, as even if the main purpose of the appointment is going to receive an abortion, they will still receive many other "services". 1 divided by 0.2 is 0.2.
@@DrMosseeay I love how pro-lifers always use examples that have nothing to do with it, but ok. Be pro-life what you want, but at least use comparisons that make sense. Also, once the baby is born, it's not like you're going to support the mother or the baby in any way, is it? You're just going to let both of them be miserable.
@@spicynoodles2742 I mean, the comparison has its similarities. 1. As you said it’s “none of my concern”. 2. A specific boundary is used to discern the right of someone to do something terrible, aka a backyard mimics the idea of a body. 3. Despite the suffering of the dogs, it can be excused as “oh it’s just dogs”. And this is your average “oh, your only pro-birth” argument. If I believe a group of people are being murdered, why should I focus on aiding another? That’s akin to saying “why are you focused on the people who are enslaved, it’s not like your going to give them aid once they achieve their freedom from their masters”. Also, I the term “pro-life” is loaded, as it indicates people who are against it are pro-death, so just call people against abortion anti-abortion.
Ol girl didnt even answer his question about why they arent as passionate about the kids once they're born!! Typical. They also need to teach these kids how to help the unwanted children once they are born.
Haha that guy is smart. When he asked those "students" about teaching them to debate or about both sides and critical thinking, its like they just realized they are being brain washed.
RIGHT- they all sat silently without responding and allowed “Kim” the handler to answer, just as people in cults do. Then she says “we need to leave at 1” because she doesn’t WANT them to critically think too much
It was interesting where they're having lunch and the reporter asked "Are you being trained to argue and debate or to be critically thinking about the issue?" they were all speechless, then the handler who was off camera answers him in a deflective manner. It reminded me of documentaries of people going to North Korea and trying to ask questions to everyday people, then being interrupted by their official North Korean guide.
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I love this. I hate when documentaries insert the interviewer/producers own views or narratives. He asks good questions and pushes back up until people feel defensive which really pulls out their opinions.
I bet you that if one of these kids gets pregnant or gets someone pregnant, they’ll be finding the nearest abortion clinic but won’t find one because they live in Texas.
I’m sorry that you believe based off this video that we are privileged. A majority of us fellows have grown up in low income house holds, are attending school with it being paid with loans or scholarships. Yet not one of would consider an abortion because we know that we have a support system even if it isn’t our family. And we try to spread that message to others who encounter themselves in an unplanned pregnancy we want them to know that we have them emotionally and financially by being there for them every step of the way and providing them with financial support so that they can choose life.
_Just Ilyssa_ That’s very generous of you, No one can disagree with you helping out another human being! How is the poor woman you guys met at the Planned Parenthood doing? It was heartbreaking to hear her talk about being raped and then trying to get help😔
@@sxtxrnxd I don’t get the point, an oil company doesn’t have any financial interest in pro life, so it’s not like they’re using their money to buy power and influence in the state for financial reasons. It’s philanthropy, wether you agree with the cause or not... Surely?
@@user-tr8hr3zk7y incorrect. Big oil companies don’t care about abortions or Prolife, they care about taxes and restrictions to make insane amounts of money- so in order to protect their bottom line they go to who makes legislation and tax reform, I.e. Politicians, republicans to be exact. Those politicians are going to be prolife more than likely and to get the less restrictive tax legislation and loopholes, they have to promise money to causes the politicians support. Prolife donations and support are going to be the most impactful to get the politicians to do their biding. Notice the Texas right to life sends 6 lobbyists to Washington to influence policy. So Oil company wants less restriction and more profits, needs politicians to do so, so they support one of the largest platforms of the Republican Party, Abortion, and in turn the Politicians work for their benefit. No altruism here
I love how half the questions don’t even get answered, like the one about the foster care systems. And others are just blanked statements like “we’re saving the world”. I have to wonder if they really know what they’re fighting for or if they’re just fighting to be right to prove they’re better than the average person?
@@BonitaApplebum-br3pw I’m not the one you’re talking to, but....... Because it’s a human right that someone should choose how they live their life, having a child dramatically changed one’s life, whether for 18+ years or only 9 months. Some women, quite a few women die in childbirth, and someone shouldn’t a forced to carry their pregnancy to term if they aren’t willing to take that risk. Pregnancy can also seriously change your body and how it functions, potentially damaging it. And finally, people are gonna get abortions, whether because of extreme circumstances (sexual assault, incest, etc) or just because they did an oopsie and aren’t ready for a child (eg. Teenagers or people in bad financial situations) people are gonna get them whether legal or not- women have died from illegal abortions performed by inexperienced people- so isn’t it better to regulate it?
@@molly.dog8brooke792 Yeah it is a human right for someone to choose how to live their life I agree with that but it’s not a human right to take another humans life because you’re too selfish and irresponsible to deal with the consequences of your poor actions so maybe don’t have sex with a man with out using good protection if you don’t want kids, every women knows what the ramifications of having unsafe sex is so don’t play the there’s no good sex education programs card because that’s a bunch of bull it’s takes no more than a quick google search of how to practice very safe sex also death due to child birth is very rare and is not the number one reason why women today get abortions 98% of abortions performed today are not because of sexual assault or health risks most of the time it’s heathy irresponsible promiscuous women that decide they want to terminate their own baby because it’s an inconvenience for them and believes having the baby will ruin their whole social life I mean how selfish and inconsiderate do you have to be take an innocent baby’s life because you can't face a little thing called responsibility and just want to party and bullshit all the time?
Bryan Flores I know this should be a given, but their inability to do any critical thinking really shocked me. Further shocking was them admitting they don’t know how to think for themselves. That’s scary to me!
@@EvadoCouto you're right. It is scary. Especially with the amount of information these kids have access to. It's a good example of our broken education system.
it can be critical thinking. If religion is the base and foundation of pro-life argument. That doesn't invalidate it. Of course any one can disagree. I hate when pro-life skirt around religion when it is a direct religious idea that is intended to force religious oppression on both the unborn and impregnated. Yes, give the unborn child a chance to live, is still a form of oppression that the mother and child has to deal with.
@@yummychips_ the thing with religion is, YOUR religion might not allow you to get an abortion, but the laws that govern us should NEVER be based upon the ideology of a religion. Would a Christian want to follow a Muslim doctrine? How about an Atheist being forced to follow a Christian law? The minute religion is brought in they did lose the argument because in a modern, secular society, religion should not be written into the law. Government is created to protect religion and religious freedoms, NOT nationalize it.
@@isabellaorozcogtz3082 www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html Thats a study from Princeton papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3211703 A scientific paper that proves it is a widely accepted scientific fact. Science is not on the pro abortion side.
Love how these kids who obviously seem to come from Christian upper to middle class families are against abortions when others don’t even have the money to give birth at an American hospital
It's pretty awful a lot of us have had to disclose our trauma just to get these ignorant, privileged, judgmental people to understand there is a complexity to this they don't see. Sometimes it helps. I don't think it would help to say it to people willing to going to an indoctrination conference.
As a Texas Right to Life Fellow we are aware that there are many reasons that women seek abortion. And we empathize with them. I can tell you that the women willingly approached the group for the fact that we are not allowed to approach anyone unless they come up to us first.
@@ilyssagonzalez but do you understand how it comes across where individuals are trying to do what is best for them and then for someone to go "you shouldn't do that?" I'm glad in our country that we're trying to pass new laws to prevent individuals to protest within a 150m of a clinic.
SkullCrusher117 I just want to state that I do empathize with the individual who shared her story and hope she is doing well. Now we do not tell others that they should not seek an abortion however, we let them know that we are there for them emotionally and financially and make sure they are aware if they feel the need to follow through with the abortion they are not alone we will still be there to listen and be a shoulder to cry on if they need to. These women are not alone no matter what we love them in any situation. The last thing we want to do is condemn them because we are not ones to judge. Instead we provide love and compassion. Now there are other pro lifers who do yell and judge others. But that is not the way to treat and young lady facing a difficult situation and I want it to be known we are not those kind of pro lifers (:
_Just Ilyssa_ Thanks for your really in depth response! I wonder, going forward with this program, if there could be any way to include sessions for students to learn more about how they can help the community of young mothers? Perhaps assist at an orphanage or nursery, or create and hand out care packages for new mothers of lower income families? If this is truly the mission of your organization - providing love and compassion - I’d love to see that at all levels. I think a lot of pro-choicers like myself get frustrated when we hear that pro-life organizations are ‘there for them emotionally and financially’ and then provide very little public follow-through, other than prayers.
man the way they're so proud of being ignorant of the legal processes and actual real-world implications of their opinions. this is a masterclass in republicanism. just do and say whatever the hell you want and let other people deal with the consequences.
All that money for "scholarships" but when a single mother needs food stamps, it's "why should I pay for someone else?" . Also, no help for mothers who suffer from postpartum psychosis. Or women who can't have children because of their mental health, since many medications are unsafe during pregnancy, and suddenly going off those meds could result in self harm. . Pro life until the child is gay. Pro life until they're a refugee. Pro life until they need food stamps or housing assistance or medical care. Until they suffer from addiction. or don't believe as you do, or have behavioral issues, or a disability. . Abortion needs to stay a legal, safe, medical right.
Those donors are using their wealth to have young people, who’ve lived their entire life in privilege and haven’t experience any type of hardship, and who’ve yet to have a fully mature mindset, fight their battles for them.
@@sarak6860 Except that's not where your taxes are going. Social services are bankrupt, the foster care system is in shambles. Our taxes go to the military, not to vital services that are actually needed.
Check out Love Line. It's a pro-life charity started by Abby Johnson that specifically helps mothers with young children and babies connect with resources in their area and occasionally even furnishes them with rent and supplies.
@Eli -- the only one indoctrinated is YOU ! Because you don't even need religion anylonger to show it's wrong, science & technology have caught up & you can see / experience the whole development of a baby ! So those who refuse to see these facts (even though they're now clearly presented using technology), are the ones who're totally brainwashed !
@@Rolsification -- aren't we all in some ways or other? :) However its usually those who're indoctrinated (aka brainwashed) :) the most who rave & rant the most & love pointing fingers at others instead of looking in the mirror! ;)
No, because human life is on a different level to animal life. Doesn't mean animals don't deserve good treatment, but a human murdering another human is a tragic thing.
@@kitkatfrosty I would argue aborting a fetus that has no ability to be conscious at the time of the abortion is far better than killing an animal that has the full capacity to feel pain and probably suffered all its life living in less-than-ideal conditions to say the least.
Froggie An embryo and a baby are both growing humans. If you kill a pregnant woman, you are charged with two murders. You didn't answer the question. At what point does a growing human have a right to not be murdered?
Ya, let's get rid of speech and debate in high school. Or how about education all together. All of education is about learning and being firm in your positions and knowledge. What a tragic comment.
If you don't think that much of going to a university is subtle or not so subtle training for a particular set of beliefs, then I believe you might be somewhat naive.
when i want to get my point across, i cant just say " because thats what i want" or " it just sounds right to me" you have to learn how to help people understand you. its not always for good ideals, but they are good just for being someone with an opinion you think is important.
bro, no one said mother’s can’t achieve their dreams. no one said you had to get an abortion. if you want to be a mother, go for it, that’s awesome! if you want to be a stay at home mother, awesome! a working mother? awesome! if that’s what you want. but some people can’t do the things they want and raise or carry a child. and they should have the option to control their own body.
I noticed that sigh as well. His demeanor was amazing throughout this video. He is honestly trying to get a full story but it seems the handler keeps roadblocking the most important questions that these students need to be able to express.
@TheExplorer Exactly, it's the self-same tactic the church of Scientology uses, any doc on them that has actual talks with the members of the church will always have church media there to prevent them saying things that could be seen as negative to outsiders. Scientology also does it to people who aren't affiliated anymore too, so I guess there's that. Although I don't know that Scientology has ever said you can't openly support a politician before... Free speech is soooo important on the right, that's why they police their own people to make sure they don't accidentally support someone who could take power from their political party...for free speech...Sorry, I'm just fed up of the hypocrisy and I needed a rant about it :P
@TheExplorer - I may need to put your comment on conspicuously placed post-it notes, to reread throughout my day. I know that wasn’t directed at me, but I needed that. Thanks !
Ya, this is a tactic you see a lot with churches/cults. This acts to stop critical thinking and instead just tow the line. The less self reflection on what you are told to believe the better.
It is so weird to me the need to “train” people how to debate a specific side. If your opinion isn’t strong enough to defend your claims, then your opinion might not be strong enough. This goes for pro life pro choice and numerous social issues we see.
There's politics and more importantly $$$ behind all of this. Think about who the people are that donate to this program and what their true agenda is.
@Erin S -- ?? like anything in life... if you're passionate about something, & want to learn more, train more... you have to go out there & learn / train. It's that simple ! This's voluntary ...
I get what you're saying, but I do want to point out that pretty much every ideology "trains" it's followers in some way or another. Religions train people in places of worship, capitalism and politicians use ads. I find that a lot of left wing beliefs are championed by teachers and professors through the education system. I'm left wing myself but in my opinion schools are no place for pushing political beliefs of any kind, even if I agree with them. This is pro life thing just seems more jarring because we aren't used to it.
memerton the great Life begins at the point where children are able to survive outside their mother’s bodies. If Texas and the other red states really cared about the life’s of children they’d invest in health care to help combat infant mortality, invest in education to give the children born a perspective, invest in mental health instead of bullying LGBTQ+ children to death and stop those 'post-natal abortions'. But those hypocrites care about nothing but enforcing their extremist religious views on others.
@@vehicularbronchitis1114 hum okay so biology crash course cos you don't seem to have ever listened. A virus is a being made of cells and that contains genetic material in the form of DNA or RNA. Now , a virus is not considered a living being because to survive it needs to penetrate a host cell and reproduce. When a zygote, an embryo , a foetus (depending of the stage) , is in a uterus , until it comes out it is dependent on Its host : the owner of that uterus. So, whatever that thing is, it behaves like a parasite: it uses the host's blood supply, feeds itself with the host's nutrients and guess what the placenta in which that thing is located was actually acquired by a virus. It develops and gets " rooted" I'm the uterine wall like a virus would she penetrating a host cell. Moreover, that thing can't reproduce at that stage which is another criteria to be a living being. Therefore, whatever is inside that uterus is not a living being. Now , abortions are performed usually before 12 weeks of amenorrhea, so at that stage it is totally safe for the mother to abort.
@@zeineb8870 a human being does not have rna and is clearly a fellow human besides just because a individual cannot survive without extra support doesn't mean he ot she isn't human a person that need insuline to survive is still human he or she has conciousness and the ability to think at a certain extent he or she has brain activity.
Alzo, you have an incredible amount of self control and I hope one day I can keep my cool as well as you did this whole time. I actually think I would have ripped out my own hair if I had to sit through all that and get interrupted every time I asked a good question. VICE, give this man a raise he deserves it.
You can see when the kids get confused and don’t know how to answer and that’s when Kim needs to step in because the kids have this script they’ve been taught and can’t think logically on their own without it. This whole boot camp is so hypocritical.
Bizzy Well, in a way. If you want to call it the equivalent of a college class, it would be hypocritical. But think about what a military boot camp actually is. It’s function is not to teach critical thinking, but to follow orders without questioning them. The question I would be asking is just how inclusive a term like pro-life really is. Texas has the highest number of executions since the Supreme Court reversed its earlier decision to ban it a few years earlier. And there are cases which have arisen where there were serious doubts about the convicted person’s innocence, or whether they even received a fair trial. From cases in other states, there were several cases where new evidence proved the innocence of people on death row. So if one is pro-life, should one be supporting the death penalty? And the same questions arise about all issues regarding human life. If you want the label “pro-life”, then doesn’t that include ALL life issues? Otherwise, one is just anti-abortion. I understand that this may not be included in this “boot camp”. But perhaps the parent group of this (Texas Right to Life) SHOULD be examining all other life issues, including the death penalty, gun control, the social safety net, ensuring people have access to health care, and so on.
@Joshua Beebe The question was retarded and didn't even deserve a response. It's a scholarship to help pro-life kids articulate pro-life arguments. None of them are on the fence about the ethics of baby murder. That's like asking PETA representatives if they've carefully considered the pros and cons of animal abuse.
John Cronin well said and very well thought out! If they are fighting for one group so openly and by degrading women who are already going through something so upsetting, they need to be able to clearly explain why stopping abortions is their only goal and not protecting the other lives in Texas.
@They_Call_Me_ Pebbles it take 12 weeks before real development starts. I see anything before that time is fair game for termination. My cousin was raped by her stepfather and her parents actually tried to make her keep it because they wanted a son but she aborted it because duh. I think that every woman has the right to chose. If they decide to keep it that’s their choice but if they decide not to also their choice. Leave it up to The God(s) to decide their fate in the afterlife.
@They_Call_Me_ Pebbles and I will say this to you it’s your body your choice but I don’t believe it’s your right to force your beliefs or views on others. If you truly want to help then become a foster parent.
See I just can’t wrap my head around the idea that fetus is consider alive. As a student of biology, it really is technically a part of the mother’s body until 8 months
@kenzie dreams that sounds like cherry-picking papers. I’m pretty sure a majority of research recognize 28 as the cut off Edit: 90% after 26 does not sound right. It sounds like the research is only done to Beverly Hill
@@endlesssummer2133 in what way? Sounds like an empty hypothetical comparison that equates the 2 as similar, when all it is a Mumbo Jumbo feel good quote-ism BS
@@ezethrell2983 huh??????? you lost me on that one. anyways I think Avi was making a joke more than a 'feel good quote'. it's also true, given college educated adults tend towards pro-choice to a high degree (60-70%)
Abortion teen guy: "I don't really understand all that legal stuff"
Everyone else's thoughts: Then why are you joining a group that want to change LAWS in our country.
Also gaydar was blaring at Defqon 1. A gay guy at a religious anti-abortion bootcamp. The world is so weird.
That sweet sweet college money
Well sadly people on both sides of the aisle politically complain and try to change things they have no idea about
Let alone laws regarding WOMEN and girls autonomy???
Timmy Thompson precisely. People don't question poor arguments that support their side of an issue.
I love this guy. He actually asks unbiased questions to the group of student, but subtly inserts things that make them think critically in a way that doesn't offend them. Whenever those students are about to crack, Big Boss Veronica comes in and shuts down any critical thinking they're doing.
A lot of things Veronica stepped in on were questions meant for our (the Texas Right to Life) legal team. The newbies are there to learn how to think and answers these types of questions. During their next session which takes place next summer they will learn about the legal part of the issue & maybe they will be able to answer the question on their own.
@@ilyssagonzalez they are individuals they can think on their own, you don't have to tell them anything
You could tell the media handler would jump in any second she sensed there was a question the first-years hadn't been trained how to respond to… and that last bit about not publicly supporting Bernie or Beto, it's almost as if they don't respect these students as individuals, but just another investment.
@@lawrencetchen It's a scholarship program. They are by definition investments.
@@ilyssagonzalez So you literally train them what to answer. Okay, well, gotta do something for a living right...
Well, all I can say is that the interviewer did an amazing job remaining unbiased and asking critical questions - their responses alone exposed so much.
@They_Call_Me_ Pebbles lol what
Lol I like when he asks an especially good question that the main lady just shuts him down.
Also exposed the Anti-life ( pro-abortion) hate & carnage !
THE WAYYYY that one woman interjected as soon as she saw the slightest bit of doubt in the students’ eyes and was politely like “don’t ask them any more questions, eat”
LITERALLY wasn’t letting them speak for themselves
Totally picked up on that! All through this video we can see the students being shielded from any question that casts any doubt. This is not education it's indoctrination, point blank.
Creepy right
That was a long awkward pause, not a "slight bit of doubt" 🤣🤣
--- He hadn't been taught the dark jedi ways into spinning an answer about how arguing/debating for their side IS "considering both sides"
Exactly!
Reporter: are you guys just being trained to debate or critically think about the issue?
Them: 👁👄👁
time stamp ?
Well they literally said that the kids are not capable of doing critical thinking by saying someone else have already done that for them yet they want them to go and debate 🤣🤣.
@@teayariacountee2189 11:21
one.... the parent had right to do with thier kid... 2 concept of right to live had many debate... 3.. goverment is not that trustworthy... pro-life... you had to had abilty to support that decision or.. your word just come out of your asshole...
That was kind of scary.
“I would decline to answer.”
“I’m still learning how to state my own thoughts.”
This whole thing was Cringe
Those statements were terrible. It tells me they know they have trash thoughts but dont know how to clean them up
@Isidore A -- maybe because you're not familiar with the english language ? :) 😂 It's not a "thing" ... it's called a cautionary, thoughtful, & profound answers ! :)
@@researchdesignz that’s a very foreign sounding assumption to make. I was born in the USA. Perhaps if you were too you would understand why the above quotes sounded so cringe inducing for 119 people, and in no way wise and profound.
@@isidoreaerys8745 -- A person refusing to answer is VERY American ... Ask around, in most foreign cultures, you wouldn't get away with just saying ... "intersting" or flatout saying "i don't want to answer your question" :)! In the West you hv the right & freedoms say so, yes or no or refuse to answer... in many other places you don't .. not culturally appropraite! so in short, even if you're born in the US, it sounds like you're thinking in a different way... in general, it's not actually a bad traite... but in this context, you attacking this person for refusing to answer seems very odd & ... worrisome!
@@isidoreaerys8745 -- And I also wonder what is the reason for your Double standard? If you look interview videos made at abortion clinics, there are plenty who refuse to answer questions, mainly because they don't want the media to twist & turn things around... or afraid they might say give the wrong answer. So WHY can't you look at these people the same way as you do with pro-choice people ?? That's my biggest puzzle. Do you not see the double-standard / hypocrisy here ... ? now that's very cringe-worthy!
Imagine harassing women who just want to see a doctor they can afford
Maybe they shouldnt even try making babies if they cant afford to even see a doctor.
@Rich Law can't you read?
@@Dustie1984 cant you afford a doctor?
I was harassed by a Christian group disguised as an abortion clinic, for inquiring about getting the procedure done.
A woman I know that was addicted to drugs and trying to get an abortion because she couldn’t stop using heroin, they LOCKED HER IN A ROOM AND FORCED HER TO WATCH A PROLIFE PROPAGANDA video.
@Anti-fascist America so you support the termination of an unborn child?
Free Birth control would prevent a lot of pregnancies….let’s
lobby for that.
Also sex postive education that is not abstinace only but rather teaches about healthy realtionships, consent and birth contrl.
They don't wanna do that because pro-life really means pro-birth and seems to at least of late has ties to racist ideas. Pro-life conservatives perpetuated the conspiracy theory that Demographic shifts are the main issue to worry about because white people build America.
They also dismiss that Nazi germany had anti abortion laws for people of Germanic decent, and that it therefore has ties to eugenics.
I think their main ideas have some ties into the save the white race ideas, at least on a Republican political level, perhaps not on the activist level.
@@GeertTheDestoyer demographics change is changing the country that is not up for debate. I think sex ed should be purely biological and scientific. And teach how to use different types of birth control. Not sex positive or any other opinions.
@@dlam2864 sex is just as social as it is biological and scientific and if you dont teach consent and relationships you are not properly educating them
Exactly, preventing unwanted pregnancy is a more practical goal than trying to convince women out of getting abortions. Even if someone is against pre-marital sex, it's still a lesser "sin" than abortion.
them: *harassing people outside of a Planned Parenthood bc they think everybody's there to get an abortion*
the people inside just trying to get a pregnancy or STI test, birth control or a general wellness check: 👁👄👁
Or even a breast cancer screening. It's sickening how so many pro-life people try to knock down planned parenthoods just to get rid of abortions.
Planned parenthoods are so important to even prevent abortions. People get condoms, birth control, PRENATAL CARE, etc for free from planned parenthood. It’s so important. I remember someone telling a story about their single mom walking through protestors to get prenatal care. They called the mom slut, murderer and they didn’t even know that she was just going there to get care to KEEP her baby.
@@lanietalk this is exactly why can't support defunding Planned Parenthood. I don't like abortion, but they offer much more than that
tell me why the leader girl looks like lil mosey 0_o
Man I went to planned parenthood to get my birth control removed so I could get pregnant. 🙃
I wanna see every single one of these people at an ICE protest, BLM protest, etc.
Anayvette Lopez maybe even adopting a few kids already born and without families
Anayvette Lopez they would never.... They would only do it if blm or ice protesters was a unborn. Knock two birds out with one stone,crack pot logic.lol
all lives matter until it doesn't fit their narrative
They_Call_Me_ Pebbles you’re not getting her point... she’s said that bc since all these pro lifers care SOoooOOOOoooo much human rights and discrimination they should be at BLM and ICE protests since it deals with the issues of human rights and discrimination
they'll be there with the guns
I sure wish all of these young people would put forth the same energy in protecting living breathing children who have already been born. Imagine the good they could do.
Why don’t you
@@dylanrocha4323 , why don’t you?
I sure wish they put all that energy in the things that actually reduce abortions: proper sex ed and affordable contraceptives.
How do you know they don’t? Aren’t all lives equal?
@@nathanstoebe2507 why are you assuming they do?
I love how when the host asked whether the students are learning to look at the issue from both sides (i.e. pro-life and pro-choice), all the students just fell silent, 🤣🤣🤣.
How can you learn when you are sourouneded by people like your self .
Oooooooooo1oooo1ooo
@@nancybennett1375 hftv
😂💀 because it's a bias one-sided program 😬✋🏃
@@nancybennett1375 Learning isn't the goal. The spreading and fueling of propaganda is the goal
Ironic how even with the amount of "training" they have, whenever a difficult question is asked, the lady in green comes to the rescue and says they can't answer that question, backing it up with a shabby excuse.
It's like if the training is so good, then why do they need the lady in green to come to the rescue when a difficult question is asked. Shouldn't they just be able to answer the question themselves.
Its honestly brainwashing and terrifying that they do that
It a way for rich children to spend their parents money with a clear mind in the name of social welfare.
"The Abortion Holocaust"
Aight, imma head out
@@richlaw5136 million of unborn cells that's are not even defined into anything significant.
It's better for you not to jerk of as you are killing the "potential" babies. 🤣🤣🤮
@@HarunSharma2612 heres that crazy talk we talked about
@@richlaw5136 my dude, bring some science to the table next time. What is your degree?
@@benjaminasbury5346 Ph.D in astrophysics
@@benjaminasbury5346 also, i went to law school.
“Abortion facility” my Planned Parenthood doesn’t even do abortions and yet people stand outside yelling at women going in makes no sense.
They don’t care about lives they just hate women
The students in this video were being taught about abortions with a freaking cartoon.
Those people yelling outside the facility are ignorant.
...
Conservatives/Religious People (in my opinion) are willingly delusional... It leads to a lot of ignorance, messed up logic, and hate because they live and socialize in a bubble.
They do the same at my PP and it just shows how out of tune with reality the really are
Same at mine. Lol
@@VladmirPoopN I agree which is why is so concerning Americans will literally turn ignorance into an ideology
Teach your kids HOW to think, not WHAT to think.
Teaching them the truth is what to think.
@@aprieto521 A lot of people here in the comments .
@@MrDavicovic
What is the truth? The Bible? A fairy tale made up thousands of years ago? Get real, idiot.
Word
YESSSS
11:06 the kid said "fetus and embryo in latin and greek literally mean child" and OH BOY was I ready for this. Fetus in Latin has, like most Latin words, more meanings than one: as a noun, (fetus, fetus) it means childbirth; as an adjective (fetus, feta, fetum) it means pregnant; as a verb (feto, fears, fetare) it means giving birth and/or impregnate. In Ancient Greek, different from Modern
Greek, embryo (έμβρυοv,
έμβρυου) literally means both newborn and FETUS, and also lamb. The word έμβρυο is also used as a prefix to build words, verbs nouns and adjectives, that are about a FETUS. It literally refers to an UNBORN CHILD. The romans and ancient greeks didn't have enough medical knowledge to know the different stages of a pregnancy and how the baby goes from conception to newborn, so the words fetus and embryo, which are two different things used modernly, referred to the child in the womb at any stage, even AFTER the first nine weeks, after which abortions are only allowed in critical conditions and are very rare. Next time you try to use languages to enforce your ideas, fact check, please.
Eyyyy language nerds in the hoouuuse, that was an amazing linguistic smackdown, you have my respect
PERIODT sis
Go off sis, go off
The stages and name changes are arbitrary. Romans/Greeks not having medical knowledge of development has nothing to do with it. The stages are there in order to define some milestones perhaps, but the process of development is fluid in the womb and continues out of the womb. The human continues to develop throughout the entirety of their life.
"Feutus' in Modern Greek would actually translate as 'vegetable' (as in 'comatose').
It's very easy to dismantle their arguments:
1. Seeing as the best way to prevent abortion is to prevent pregnancy in the first place, what are three ideas you have to widen access to contraception and comprehensive sexual education? Are you willing to provide birth control for free? How many hours of comprehensive sex ed do you think students should have per semester?
2. As someone who is pro-life, how would you expand public welfare programs to support babies and mothers after birth? How would you ensure these children and their moms do not go hungry? For example, are you willing to drastically expand daycare? Are you willing to provide unwed mothers with a basic income?
3. A fertility clinic is on fire, and time is of the essence. You can save the contents of one room of two. In Room 1: Thousands of frozen embryos. Room 2 is a waiting room with ten patients. Which do you save - the thousands of embryos, or the ten people in the waiting room? (In essence, do you honestly believe embryos are the same as people?)
I've had many arguments with pro-lifers, and using these points has always, always, always backed them into admitting that they believe pregnancy should be punishment for premarital sex, and they really don't care about what happens to the baby and mother after the baby is born. It's shockingly easy to reveal what really matters in the pro-life movement: controlling women and maintaining patriarchy.
Ashleigh Adams I don’t have anything to counter your arguments. Because they are so well put. 👏 And I agree with a lot of the comments saying these kids are a bit brainwashed. When you do ask if they’re in favor of widening access to contraceptives, pro sex ed or willing to expand benefits for unwed mothers and their children, I want to know more of what they say. Or do they shrug and parrot the same talking points because that’s all they know? I’m honestly curious.
1. Sex ed should be comprehensive and thorough. I believe sex ed should also include awareness of how media acts "woke" about sex/love while also wildly marketing it to young teens. I'm not sure birth control should be free, but maybe supported so it's not wildly overpriced. You should have the choice if you wish it
2. Yes I am in support of a UBI, but for all Americans. Short of that I believe Daycare should be wildly expanded along with paternity and maternal leave. Daycare would dramatically help families and I am pro family.
3. I'm not sure how I would save thousands of embryos as I'm not really privy as to how that works and is it even possible to carry them through a fire? In a practical sense I'd save the ten people. It's still a tragedy either way.
None of these points really seem like counter arguements to Pro Life. Like why would I be against expanding sex ed? Or increasing support for new monthers?
@@markheath14 A lot of the same states that have attempted to (or succeeded in) enact laws against abortion are states that have very dismal sex education programs. They are abstinence-only based, and do not educate people on how they can become pregnant or how to prevent it in any reasonable way besides "don't do it". It's unfortunate to see. Regardless, if someone who simply does not want to be pregnant and takes all of the appropriate precautions gets pregnant anyway, it is a fundamental difference of ideologies for those of us who believe that abortion should be a legal option for any potential child-bearing person.
@@HillaryCampbell we do fundamentally disagree when it comes to the availability of the abortion option. And yes I'll admit a lot of pro lifers are backwards in their manner of tackling an issue, but to me it seems we are trying to solve multiple issues with a single choice.
A terrible analogy to sum up my view of the abortion talk is
One side wanting to freely throw away computers with viruses
The other side being against the "carefree" destruction of computers while also being against antivirus software.
To me we got two bad choices and the best answer lies in the middle.
@@markheath14 The best answer is never having the state force a woman to give up nine months of her life.
Nor is it to make homicide divisions of the police force investigate miscarriages.
Making abortions illegal, is not the solution to reduce abortions.
"In all of our legislature, the woman is never punished." This aged like milk.
Milk left out in the sun
How? I mean the recent Texas law literally says you CANNOT SUE THE WOMAN. I love seeing ignorant people. Please read more on the topic before you make these uninformed statements :D
@@DrMosseeay I think she explains really well why woman can be hurt under this legislation. czcams.com/video/zjB5Jakytyc/video.html
@@DrMosseeay uhh, you think that dr not being able or is to afraid to be sued to do abortions wont hurt the woman?
@@user-xm1od9nb1m Yes. Lots of women will be saved. Saved from being aborted, that is :3
Do they realize women might just be trying to get a routine Pap smear?
Emma Kapstein-O'Brien or just access to birth control so they don’t need an abortion later. These people....
Such an important point!!! And its no longer an unsafe environment for women
Yes! My husband just asked if abortion is outlawed would Planned Parenthood just disappear. The rhetoric that all they do is abortions has really permeated the culture, I had to inform him that that is just one of many valuable services they provide.
EXACTLY
Why don’t you just go to an obgyn. Not that hard.
the interviewer's face at 19:52 is priceless. he is so done with this woman
Lmao yes! She’s so annoying
That's the look of someone who's had his questions sidetracked SOOO many times, he's just done. He was asking the students their opinion, not the organizations.
Sort of like how we are done with pro choicers
You can hear him sighing 😩. I watched that like three times. You can tell his questions Have been diverted over and over. Politics is a bloodsport and if these kids want to engage then they should be able to explain why.
@@danielgray8504 people jave explained why to you thousands of times. You should be able to understand by now.
20:16 "I'm still learning how to state my own thoughts" was really just another way of her saying "I'm yet to be told what I should think about that particular issue".
Thats insane right? I need to learn how to state my own thought.............. Thats basically that bootcamp in a nutshell.
not going to say which kid I'm talking about, but honey it's going to get so much better once you come out.
right
I was thinking the exact same thing
Uh, I don't think they ever discussed his sexuality. Why are you assuming he's closeted?
@@yogman10 why do you know which kid I'm talking about?
@@RapidObsessor pretty much doesn't matter, as I don't think any kid discussed their sexuality in the video.
I would love to know how sheltered these people’s lives have been compared to the woman who was raped in her back yard
@Gerrit Rempfer 🤔...taking out her trauma and anger on the child...🤔. Let’s start with “send it” to an adoption center. Would that be by courier or by ups? You make it sound so nonchalant. Gerrit, is it? 9 months of pregnancy (well technically 10, but hey! you’re not counting) is a long time to endure for someone who hasn’t been raped, let alone someone who has.
Abortion isn’t an act of warfare. Most times it’s a painful decision based on survival.
@Gerrit Rempfer hey gerrit, quick question: are you a female?
@Gerrit Rempfer welp, sounds like you actually have no idea how hard it is
@Gerrit Rempfer indeed I have. Have you?
Pro choice people just want a choice. We aren’t pro-abortion. My body my business. If I was pregnant, I most likely wouldn’t have an abortion, but if you need to, go ahead.
Lucia Simone all I know pro choice would never do this shit
If you allow the chance to kill the unborn, then you are definitely pro-abortion.
Lucia Simone You had a choice, whether to have sex unprotected or not
She’s so Lucky what I mean is when one person in the equation doesn’t hold up their end in a safe agreement.
@She’s so Lucky Actually, if taken correctly, the pill doesn't fail. Your argument is based on the carelessness of people to either follow instructions correctly and/or have a medical follow up with an ob-gyn to make sure the pill the women is taking isn't having any advert reactions with her biology. This is the same thing with condoms. They rip because they are poorly stored or put on.
It's always better for women to avoid abortions, but pro-lifers and pro-choicers don't want that because that isn't how they earn a living. That's why in the US 1 out of 3 women will have an abortion, and despite all the achievements made with contraception, they strangely don't seem to "work".
Again, so strange, but when women actually go see an ob-gyn they don't have repeated unwanted pregnancies, but if they only listen to Planned Parenthood, or listen to the natural contraception discourse, they just keep getting pregnant.
This whole abortion thing shouldn't be about a woman's bodily rights, but about a woman's right to education, which again, pro-lifers and pro-choicers couldn't care less about. They just defend their income revenus.
“Saving the world”. Really!? 🙄 How about putting all of that money and energy into helping children in the foster care system who need funding and adopting! What a joke.
Hannah Rose completely agree
THANK YOU.
So, are you also going to tell men not to masterbate because the sperm has potential for life? Or is it really just about controlling the woman? Do you like muffins? If I handed you a muffin cup with just dough in it, you'd be pretty mad. BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BAKE TO BECOME A MUFFIN. SCIENCE NEEDS TO HAPPEN. An acorn isn't a tree. A fetus isn't yet a person. A sperm is not a person. An egg is not a person. A chicken is not an egg. THESE ARE BASIC CONCEPTS.
How about using the money and energy used to fund abortion clinics into helping children in the foster care system
you fool
Reporter: Why not put more energy in helping the new mother and her baby?
Pro-life Cultists: We prefer to shame them with our self-righteous songs and prayers.
That “pro-life feminist” didn’t even answer the question about why pro-lifers are so focused on pre-birth with no assistance after
Why not spend a dollar for protected sex rather than killing a baby? Don’t put your responsibility on someone else head…
@@lmss3309 why don't you mind your own business? If a woman wants an abortion she can have one cause guess what, its her body!
@@gibblesco5958 baby's body is not her body.
@@lmss3309 wow, you are obviously uneducated. It's still HER body even if she's pregnant. It doesn't matter if she's pregnant or not having the option to have a safe abortion is a human right.
As a Jewish person, I'm kind of uncomfy with this program drawing similarities between the murdering of conscious adults and children and a medical procedure....
A medical procedure? Really? So many comments on here criticize these students for being disconnected from “reality”. That phrase is incredibly disconnected from what an abortion is.
@@rachelrobbins1409 it’s a medical procedure. Use that energy to take care of babies after they are born instead. I don’t see pro lifers fighting for gun control or to make sure kids in the US get to eat everyday, provide affordable daycare, or make sure medical bills are paid.
Maybe you could tell them to make sure the kids wear mask to school during a pandemic, make sure that those over 12 and the parents get vaccination so they don’t harm the children you pretend to care about.
Better, why don’t you do a camp about becoming foster parents to all those babies.
@@rachelrobbins1409 an abortion is a medical procedure which cares for the wellbeing of the unwilling carrier of an embryo. I say embryo because I do not believe it is a living and conscious human so therefore not a baby. Life is a subjective philosophical concept that science cannot back, seriously, try defining life with science and you come up inconclusive. This is because everyone thinks of what life is differently so most scientists won't want to approach it because it does not have objective measures. Also in advocating for solely the 'baby' inside of the womb you are dehumanising the struggles, wellbeing, and life of the mother at present and what the child may face in the future.
@@lawfulchaotic8926 wow! So well put! There are so many times I try to make this point did not know how! Thnx!
I mean, euthanasia could be considered a "medical procedure". We could call any type of murder a "medical procedure". I'm quite sure that sterilizing people who they saw as unfit in the 3rd reich was just considered a "medical procedure", and not an atrocity and a impairment of human rights. Please word your argument better next time before you cause a lot of atrocoties :P
I love the eye roll he gives when the woman stops the kids from answering.
They have an agenda. And it’s political and religious agenda that doesn’t want intellectually honest inquiry into a nuanced topic.
Need to compliment the journalist on keeping calm in every situation. And staying poised, this was a good film.
When they where talking to that lady who was raped, they could t make a proper argument so they just nodded their heads and because they knew that they couldnt say anything to that
Here's the argument: Why should the child pay for the father's crime?
@@Shrimp_Insurance No, the question is: Why should the women pay for the man`s crime?
That part got me so heated I feel so bad for her she really needs help.
Did you know that you can actually suture a uterus onto yourself if you dont have one and transplant whatever clump of cells you care so much about into yourself and risk your own life gestating it and cutting yourself back open to push it out? Why dont you walk around for the better part of a year slipping into debt and poverty while everyone arund you belittles and patronizes you and help themselves to violating your boundaries and touching your stomach? Go do it!
FORCED LABOR IS SLAVERY
"Sanctity of life.. We need healthy babies so we can raise them to be dead soldiers." George Carlin
Rex Rogers damn if he was still alive today....
That doctor should be ashamed for that inaccurate video..I'm shocked people believe it
michael szpik I heard the earth is flat
@michael szpik I heard they like to eat parts of em too. True story; I really heard that somewhere
@michael szpik 🤦
it is incredibly accurate.
How is that video wrong? I'm guessing you've researched what an abortion procedure actually looks like?
I love this man. He’s so chill the whole time, I would’ve lost my sh*t talking to Veronica
SAME the way he could keep his cool was impressive
I have argued with a guy who used the video where the baby is unrealistically getting "ripped up" and I told him that is highly unrealistic. I told him that in many stories of women getting abortions sometimes you just get a pill/medicine or you do an actual procedure, then a girl who is pro-choice said "You mean Plan-B" and I said no they don't give you just plan b at an abortion clinic. It's sad how people don't have the basic info and try to argue stuff.
I assume you were referring to first trimester abortions when you said they weren't ripped up? It really depends on how far along the infant is in its development and its growth rate. Up to 10 weeks, the pill that causes a forced delivery can be used. The embryo is pushed out through a forced miscarriage. Up to 14 weeks, the embryo might also be removed by suction. In the second and third trimester, drugs can be used to induce labor and drugs might also be injected into the baby's heart to insure death before birth. The most common abortion after 15 weeks is the D&E, and the mother is usually sedated. The cervix is opened, and the infant is removed by forceps and usually dismembered in the process. The uterus is scraped out to be sure all pregnancy tissue is extracted. At 24 weeks and up, the D&E is performed under general anesthesia. The infant is injected to insure that the heartbeat is stopped. The cervix is opened a bit wider, and usually forceps are used to dismember and remove the infant. If an intact removal is to be performed, the legs are pulled out first, and then the skull is crushed to ease intact removal. It is common to dismember infants after a certain point in the pregnancy, which is why the staff then has to count the pieces to make sure all are accounted for and none are left inside the mother. Look into the procedures themselves as to how the killing is done, and under what circumstances the "actual procedures" of partial birth abortion are performed. As well as the separation of parts that are sometimes then sold or donated to science. Fascinating reading.
@@dodieodie498 I appreciate your use of medical terminology for most of your comment. I would like to clarify one of the terms you used. The term “foetus” and not “infant” should be used when referring to an organism pre-birth. Using the term infant implies consciousness and sensory awareness, and is quite disingenuous.
@@veenavinod4236 According to the definition, the word, "infant" is used when "denoting something at an early stage of its development". As it has also been shown that the preborn do respond to stimuli and can even recognize voices, I will continue to use the words that I consider appropriate. As to the question of consciousness, unless we can each return to the womb or somehow trigger recall of that time, we will never know the degree to which consciousness is developed in a preborn infant.
@@dodieodie498 That’s incorrect. The American Academy of Pediatrics defines a foetus as “from 8 weeks after conception until term while in the uterus” and an infant as “live born and younger than 365 days of age.” You can refer to their paper here: doi.org/10.1542/peds.2011-1037
@@veenavinod4236 It is correct according to Merriam Webster and Oxford.
Abortion and the Holcoust should NEVER be compared!!! That's sickening!
Agree
its so gross that they're calling it genocide too. like the united nations defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". fetuses aren't any of the above! its being used as a buzzword to rile them up and its gross
Yeah that might not be right to compare, but let me ask you this. People say my body my choice. But do you think the same as your mom? No so you should not be making the choice to kill an unborn child. I’m done and I am just putting out my opinion
@@elizabethburger2721 I don't see how not having the same opinion as their mother means they can't have a choice.
It's the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it.
VICE, please keep allowing this man's fantastic beard and beautiful voice grace your videos!
I agree!
4:12
That face of skepticism. So good.
@Crim Sin oooh watch out bro he might snatch your kids and your wife and pride? Are you okay???? Like actually mentally okay?
he's so damn fine!! SMDH
Amy C. Also at 14:50
Not a critical brain cell in that group, I’m sure they’re all pro death penalty tho
a bit of a false equivalence don't you think?
the death penalty is reserved for people who have commited crimes like murder.
Abortion (if you believe in a soul) is killing an unborn and innocent baby
@@aldoushuxley5953 I think the point is that there is an element of hypocrisy in the term"pro- life" because they aren't pro all life.
@@heybecca03 pro human baby life? I don't know
@@aldoushuxley5953 so basically, if someone commits a serious enough crime, they deserve to die and nit suffer for the time they would have left, but a fetus deserves to be born in a life of suffering? Lmao what?
@@babyuchiha4526 pro birth not life.
Pro life activism would not consist of ruining many lives by forcing women to bring another life into this world they may not be capable of caring for and that will be vurnable to abuse in a for profit fostercare system.
Pro life activisim would aim to improve the educational system in place and provide free contraceptives to reduce accidental pregnancies or creating a safer more stable fostercare/adoption programs.
But that's not what this is about. They bribe, infantalize and indoctrinate warm bodies so they can be used as mouth peices to push an agenda. I theorize this agenda is the production of capital off of birth and raising babies. It's an industry.
That cartoon video of them pulling the unborn child out of the womb looks like a Family Guy episode and I can’t even with these people.
Honestly I was like WTF! People actually think that is a partial birth abortion- like no actually it is just like a c-section idiots!
Even family guy animators put in more effort than that.
Convenient no one ever cares to show the bloody painful carnage that gestation and birth wreak on the parents's body.
I saw a pregnant woman arguing that she deserves an extra stimulus check for her fetus, but pro lifers said that she isn't entitled to one because the fetus isn't a human yet 🤡 the jokes write themselves
@Sally Ann yeah, it was embarrassing to see 😭
We don't even have to lift a finger, they are their own parody! XD
Is this something searchable or something that happened to you?
Yeeeeah they don't have big brain time very often
No, the reason they we aren't gonna give checks to pregnant woman is because abortion is still legal. The woman can just get an abortion, get pregnant again, get the check, then get an abortion, repeat. How dense can you be.
how is this white lady going to claim they have to leave as soon as he asks a legitimate question 😂😂
Because evangelicalism is a cult
@Faseeha B -- just like you call out this "white lady"... would you call out your own community "muslim women" who believes exactly that ( even more extreme views on abortion ) ?? Why the double standard - hypocrisy?
we call that the 'christian skedaddle'
@@ayi6133 -- lol right when you loosely threw around the word "christian", i knew your bigotry & the education level... that you hvnt studied any others outside of your bubble before ... as you're clearly ignorant to the fact that the pro-life view isn't just a christian issue... it reaches across the board on all cultures, religions, & ethnicities... likely your mom/dad & your grand folks too :) ... hence you're born & living to argue w me here :)
Anyhow keep going buddy... your christaphobia is shinning :)
@@researchdesignz yes, my life revolves around you and this argument. i've been sitting by my computer in the dark waiting for you to respond. praise zeus that you did!
if you know my education level, then what it is? I guarantee that I know more about the scriptures than you (a funny thing for an atheist to brag about) as i spent two decades in the church and was heading to seminary, before... i .... woke up.
you are right about abortion being an issue that brings together many cultures and religions. Trump's recent global abortion ban, the Geneva Consensus Declaration, has many Catholic and Muslim nations who all oppose women's rights.
are you from Sri Lanka?
"Well, we want to save the world"
Climate crisis has entered the chat.
The only thing i could think of is "overpopulation"
@Literati C -- Rationally you simply can't start on climate crisis, when you're ignoring the slaughter of unborn children !
@@researchdesignz Rationally huh? So in these debates you're never gonna say 'but in the English-written Bible, I'm interpreting that...' also, you're not pro-life, you're pro-birth. Most of your ilk doesn't give a hoot about the hardship and suffering a person/family may go through with a new born. And a lot of ya love the death penalty for actual humans, and maybe some of them were ones you 'saved' from planned parenthood.
@@literaticrux8292 -- hey drifter... stop drifting from the my point :) I answered to your first comment precisely... now you're all over the place bible, pre-birth, bla bla ! oh my :) The mambo jumbo u just wrote somehow tells me that you woulndt mind taking someone's life if hardship/difficulties etc are your justification! Which tell me, we are not in the same page , neither in the same mental level to hv a debate here... so i better get outta here before i waste my time with a drifter who may also be a potential psychopath !
One last advise -- get some help !
Good one lol, indeed so many ways you could be trying to save the world, so many issues, so many lives, so many problems in the world, so many people visibly suffering, yet pro-prolifers chose to worry about a bunch of cells, a 'life' that doesn't even exist.
21:26 it’s crazy how she thinks that if abortion is made illegal there will be more babies. i think it would just cause more unsafe and illegal abortions.
I mean, people tend to lead towards the law, especially when they don't have a strong religion or specific ideology. Therefore, more people are going to see it as immoral and decide to not murder the human inside them, meaning we will likely have a million more people born a year. Sure, some people will attempt to bypass this, but a million mothers who wished to not keep their babies aren't just going to take a stupid risk to kill it through other methods.
@@DrMosseeay But a pregnancy is much riskier than an abortion so much more women will die.
Shown in this research:
A research note on the mortality consequence of denying all wanted induced abortions
Abstract
In this research note, I estimate one component of the mortality impact of denying all wanted induced abortions in the U.S. This estimate quantifies the magnitude of an increase in pregnancy-related death which would occur solely due to the greater mortality risk of continuing pregnancy to term compared to having a legal induced abortion. Using published statistics on pregnancy-related mortality ratios, births, and abortions, I estimate U.S. pregnancy-related deaths by race/ethnicity before and in first and subsequent years of a total abortion ban. I estimate deaths after a total abortion ban by assuming all induced abortions are denied, assuming each abortion denied averts 0.8 births, and increasing exposure to pregnancy-related mortality accordingly. I find that in the first year of ban, estimated pregnancy-related deaths would increase from 675 to 724 (49 additional deaths, 7% increase), and in subsequent years to 815 (140 additional deaths, 21% increase). Non-Hispanic Black women would experience the greatest increase in deaths (33% increase in subsequent years). Estimated pregnancy-related deaths would increase for all race/ethnicities examined. Denying all wanted induced abortions in US would increase pregnancy-related mortality substantially, even if unsafe abortion does not increase.
Or this:
The influence of abortion legislation on maternal mortality
Abstract
Worldwide some 20 million unsafe abortions take place each year and account for approximately 13% of all maternal mortality and serious complications associated with it, such as sepsis, hemorrhage and trauma. Only a quarter of all women in the world do not have any access to legal abortion, whereas 40% have a legal right to decide for themselves. This liberalization of abortion legislation has seen a tremendous drop in abortion-related maternal mortality. Death from unsafe abortions are almost unknown in countries where abortion is available on request. Reduction of the need for induced abortion through the provision of good family planning services should be an integral part of healthcare. Consistent use of contraception greatly reduces the need for abortion, but it cannot completely eliminate this need. Thus, it is essential that safe medical abortion services should be made available to all women in the world in cases of contraceptive failure.
Commentary: the public health consequences of restricted induced abortion--lessons from Romania.
Abstract:
The question of whether abortion should be legal is currently being decided in many countries. Although much of the discussion has focused on ethical issues, the public health consequences should not be overlooked and should be addressed realistically and responsibly. Nowhere are the public health manifestations of restricted abortion more apparent than in Romania. The pronatalist policies of the Ceaucescu regime resulted in the highest maternal mortality rate in Europe (approximately 150 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births) and in thousands of unwanted children in institutions.
@@DrMosseeay I think it is not a question if these cells/fetus/baby is a human being or not. I think the question is weather the government should force someone to use their body to help someone else stay alive. There is no other situation where the government has this power - for example in my country I can decide weather I want to be an organ donor after death or not, I can decide weather I deny people my DEAD body so they die. There is no law forcing me to use my DEAD body to help someone else stay alive. But somehow … women don’t have this autonomy over their body while STILL ALIVE.
@@DrMosseeay Dude, most people don't have babies nowadays, not because of the abortion, but because they literally can't support a child. The removal of abortion would not automatically make all women want to have children, just as the legalization of abortion did not make all women want to abort, in what world do you live?
"people tend to lead towards the law, especially when they don't have a strong religion or specific ideology." What a great way to say you've never talked to with an atheist.
If you don’t like abortion, just ignore it, like you ignore children in foster care.
I would argue with you, but I'm not going to waste my time with stupidity.
How is this even comparable lol Racism or murder includes other people while abortion is something personal. A choice and right to your own body
That is the most PERFECT answer to pro life people that I have ever heard! Thank you, I’m going to use it from now on!
@@merc_kustoms1919 now that’s the kind ‘Christian way’ to go!!!
@Gerrit Rempfer ending the life of your unborn child is personal?
"why is this fellowship needed?"
"well we are trying to save the world so Bingo"
*rAiSEs eYEbRow*
But the world doesn't need more humans, we need to save the environment, which is actually what *the world* needs.
My reaction exactly!
Why don't they go protest deforestation or some shit god
Real answer: to brainwash the youth
You could tell she had to think about why she is actually there. Uhhh? IDK, saving the world I guess?
"I'm still learning how to state my thoughts".
What?
That's a telltale sign that they don't understand the consequence of their ideal world. No one can say what they want the punishment to be for abortion.
I searched the comments for this
I think what they really meant was that they haven't been told what to think yet. It's sad really.
what college did she get into is the question
When I was 9, I got my HPV vaccine at Planned Parenthood. Needless to say, my mother and I were harrassed.
This was a hard one to watch... so many levels of indoctrination and thought-control.
They are indeed far more 'Pro BIrth' rather than 'Pro Life.' Kudos to the reporter, he was very professional.
do you think that all pro-life people don't support the mother and baby after the baby is born
Why would you assume this? Texas Right to Life is very much against the death penalty. They financially support pregnancy centers that provide women with neonatal care and help with their newborn.... Way to assume, my dude. Have an open mind about people who think different from you. They're not all the devil.
@@sammif23 Except that the Devil in the Bible is a fallen angel that uses truth and twists it into an angle that sways someone without being completely straight forward to then lead them into believing misinformation without needing to further guide them. Hasn't this and many other videos proven that these organisations are very much like the devil depicted in the bible? They aren't using facts but screw facts and exaggerate them to fit their narrative void of any scientific study. So they're acting like a cult that brainwashed *CHILDREN* to unquestioningly believe without critical thinking.
So yes Karen, they are the 'Devil'.
It was hard to watch. I wouldn't have been as professional as the reporter. The reporter did a good job.
@@rockytalks9981 I know some pro-life support by donation or housing for the child, but do they actually care for that child's well-being for the entire life or not? I don't think so. Not everyone involved in sexual acts in any situation planned toward having a child and postpone their education or anything else in life. And not everyone has good support within their community no matter how much the pro-life ppl helped them. Pro-choice is also pro-life but the addition of having a choice.
Huh? WHO ever said that you can’t be a mother and successful in feminism? The feminism piece is saying you get to decide if you’re going to be a mom or not.
She tells many lies about what feminism is. No surprise there.
I totally agree. Feminism is both about supporting mothers that want to be mothers and give ppl choices to not be mothers.
Literally most woman right activists and modern feminists throughout the 20th century advocated anti-abortion and believed that abortion subverted the authority of the woman and the politicizing and partisan movement within in was an act of suppression.
Bacall McElroy because feminists are delusional.
@@notfunny1410 didn't laugh
Being pro life is like a pet project for people of privilege who want to protest something and then go home to their comfy and safe homes. They want to feel good not do good.
Well said. Right choices don't always feel good, but they don't make them any less right. I feel like these people just don't get it that all women can't afford several kids, and by having another kid they are risking the future of the kids they already have.
Like i take birth control and i do a lot to make sure i don't get pregnant. If I have concerns I test or take plan b. And who knows, maybe i have conceived but the embryo failed, that happens enough.
But what I know in my bones, is the terror i felt at the prospect of waiting on those tests, if they came back positive. I would definitely abort the child. I do not have the desire to raise children, I think if you are a parent you have so much responsibility to the child. That's my biggest thing, if you have a child it's because you are committed to that child, people say they want a family, they love babies, etc, but to me, children are about commitment, a high level of responsibility. I have to raise my child well and consider their needs first.
SO what if i don't or can't meet their needs? Then I best never let them suffer.
It is a child you made, you forced to exist that you are committed to no matter what, I meet so many parents who don't really practice that. I saw my friends being raised in broken homes, in the foster systems. I have seen how awful it is to be an unwanted child.
So ultimately, I have a responsibility to that child to make sure they don't have an unloving parent and aren't abandoned to this careless world. I know I would be a cold mother, I know i don't want to be a mother, and i know that being in a broken family is terrible.
Yes! Let's just assume they're are all privileged and don't actually have motives to be part of this cause.
The way that “doctor” was using loaded, unscientific terms like baby instead of fetus to appeal to pro-lifers disgusts me.
Exactly it makes me cringe when they call a foetus, a baby
How is baby a loaded or unscientific term? A foetus is a baby; it’s not a kitten or a calf or a chick.
@@EilisLornaWalsh anyway the animation would picture a late term abortion not one done before the first 14 weeks
@@EilisLornaWalsh a foetus is not a baby. it’s a foetus. calling it a baby would be you trying to use charged, emotional language to argue your point
@@EilisLornaWalsh Is a zygote a baby? Is the first week (a clump of cells) a baby? The vast majority of abortions occur around the first stages (zygote).
That eye roll by the reporter :') too good. 19:53
The reporter is really good!! His questions put those kids in a place where they had to think for themselves for once.
"i'm still learning to state my own thoughts," she says. Her handler had only just finished explaining which thoughts it was appropriate for a good Christian girl to have, and Lisa-Marie generally had to be told something at least three times before she could repeat it with enough conviction for it sound like her own.
THAT SIGH! I can feel his pain
No, he's not anyone who supports the slaughtering of innocent unborn babies lacks logic and reasoning
I understand that people can be pro life, but to focus on the “pre-born” instead of focusing on the billions of already born seems so ridiculous. What about the children in the foster care system? Who is advocating for a better life for them? What about the cost of pregnancy and hospital births and the several complications that pregnancy entails? The loss of wages, the public shame, these people do not understand the other side and it hurts their cause.
Unfortunately, its mostly because "pro life" people view the baby as a punishment for the mother having unprotected sex.
Exactly they constantly fight for the rights of unborn kids not the ones that were born and are unwanted. They need to give all the fund from this for foster care!!
The "pro-life" movement is about keeping women in their place by burdening them with childcare and (for some) repopulating this country with white babies.
The people directing and funding these right-wing movements are the worst kind of cynical.
Exactly. An abortion isn’t an easy decision. Most people don’t have them because the baby is an “inconvenience”. They have it because they live in an abusive house where the baby would be abused, they can’t afford to raise the baby, they or their baby would have severe deficits that could ruin their life or the baby would die or kill the mother during childbirth. The privilege of these kids presuming people just don’t want to have a baby is horrifying
Hospitals should also be free the American healthcare system is a joke
Do they teach them how to foster or adopt children? How about helping out the mothers who they shame into going through with unplanned pregnancies and said children? Those would be useful skills for a "pro-lifer".
LoL, most pro lifers are pro death penalty after birth. If someone cant hack it because they were born to parents that couldnt take care of them, didnt get proper education, turned to crime because of poverty and lack of opportunity etc. These pro lifers suddenly want to see that person in the chair rather than pay extra taxes on ANYTHING.
The same pro-life people I met are against government assistance. Like.. ? If a couple doesn’t want a child and is forced to carry to full term, they’re more than likely doing it because they can’t afford it or aren’t in the right place in life to care for an infant.
Almost all of the prolife organizations and advocates I follow help women and their children, whether that be through adoption education, or even raising money to help mothers out with rent and other necessities needed to care for their babies! If you're interested in donating to the cause I highly suggest you research som adoption/foster agencies in your area and see what they need help with!
That is unrealistic. PETA doesn't teach all of their members how to manage animal sanctuaries for farm animals to live at.
@fortheone4 You say a lot about what this university supposedly does for pregnant students, but what about after? What about the kids? This is my whole point. Every "pro life" organization I have come across seems to take no interest whatsoever in protecting children after they're born, they only care about foetuses and forcing people to stay pregnant.
I wonder how many of these kids are willing to adopt or support sex ed being taught in schools. 🤔
I wonder how many of these kids are pro-choice when it is them or people like them. pro-lifers always seem to change their tune when people like want one since 'they really need it, unlike those sluts!'
I would venture to say ALL support adoption and sex Ed classes. As a pro life person myself, I would love to adopt a child or two when I’m able. They should make it more affordable to adopt, then more people would I am sure.
Lydia Scott agreed!
@@neeneko leftist Vitriol as per... We never expect anything less!
pastelpurpledeathbed yesss honey! Sex Ed should be the first step in reducing abortion
“We are discriminating against an entire group of people….the unborn” she says to a man of color sits right in front of her whose people have been discriminated against since….ever…The irony.
You're right, we should kill them to save them the pain... no wait
I'm pro choice but... what? genuinely what was the point of pointing out his ethnicity
These people aren't "pro-life". They're anti-abortion. Pro-lifers would oppose war, military/weapons spending, and be proponents of universal healthcare and a competent pandemic response.
that's an ignorant argument... So let's reverse it -- according to your own logic, what about those who care abt wars, military spendings, bald-eagles eggs :) , whales, pandas, oceans, etc ... have the same compassion & care about an unborn children who're being ripped apart & murdered in their mother's womb ??
Wow you are so stupid. You are pro abortion but anti gun and anti war. Is this what us pro-lifers are competing with? Lol
@@somerandomperson6936 fetuses are not human beings, pregnancies occasionally miscarry and 700 women die from child birth every year. Think about those lives of dead American women. Healthcare is not a component of the “pro-life” movement. Birth is. That’s it. No care for the actual living. It’s selfish.
@@MP-ir6ic wars impact a whole community, not that I care if one starts or not. abortions can save mothers with complications, prevent victims from more trauma, and we are certainly not running out of humans. taking away abortions is not going to stop them from happening so we should allow people to do what they want with their own bodies, whether it be assisted suicide or not wearing your mask we should let people have options
@@MP-ir6ic “Hipocresy” 💀
Just IMAGINE if they used the thousands of dollars they have to support sex education, foster care, low-income communities, etc. This ‘boot camp’ REEKS of privilege and miseducation🤢
I like this news reporter! More of him please!
He's super chill.
He's a hero.
I agree! I really enjoyed the way he handled these interviews.
Mark Williams and he’s cute
also totally unbiased hence professional
they are just so disconnected from the actual issue that it's hard to take a single word out of their mouths seriously...shrouded in ignorance to the situation
@Zurg exactly, just regurgitating the information they’ve been fed since birth without giving it a second thought
What a delightful group of white upper class children gathered to enjoy their privileged position that everyone is in the position to give birth to a child 🙃
How wonderful that they try to prove their point by biasly brainwashing their children with inaccurate scientific facts. Delightful bunch of folks.
Shaniya Allan abortion is wrong period you’re not god or a higher power to say who’s good or bad
@@johnnycha-rach1112 Neither are you or your masters
@@bloodcottoncandy1514 Well I dont have masters I have a master...God, youll have to stand before him and he will judge living and the dead.
@@johnnycha-rach1112 A name does not make a being. For all I know your god could be a being of unending hunger and malice so no, keep your unfounded fanatics to yourself. I don't want to be indoctrinated into a cult that is only successful because they brainwashed their children.
I think one of the funniest things is these privileged children standing outside a Planned Parenthood singing and crying and carrying on while only 3% of PP's services are abortion-related. You're standing in the rain for people getting pelvic exams and STI testing.
This is one of the oldest arguments in PP's favor and it's utter garbage. Anything that a patient receives is considered a "service", such as checking in, getting a pre-abortion scan etc. This statistic is very misleading, as even if the main purpose of the appointment is going to receive an abortion, they will still receive many other "services". 1 divided by 0.2 is 0.2.
@@DrMosseeay ok, and? Just let women go to the PP's, it doesn't affect you
@@spicynoodles2742 I mean, Mrs. Rick next door torturing her dogs in her backyard isn’t concearning me. It’s her backyard, her choice
@@DrMosseeay I love how pro-lifers always use examples that have nothing to do with it, but ok. Be pro-life what you want, but at least use comparisons that make sense. Also, once the baby is born, it's not like you're going to support the mother or the baby in any way, is it? You're just going to let both of them be miserable.
@@spicynoodles2742 I mean, the comparison has its similarities. 1. As you said it’s “none of my concern”. 2. A specific boundary is used to discern the right of someone to do something terrible, aka a backyard mimics the idea of a body. 3. Despite the suffering of the dogs, it can be excused as “oh it’s just dogs”. And this is your average “oh, your only pro-birth” argument. If I believe a group of people are being murdered, why should I focus on aiding another? That’s akin to saying “why are you focused on the people who are enslaved, it’s not like your going to give them aid once they achieve their freedom from their masters”. Also, I the term “pro-life” is loaded, as it indicates people who are against it are pro-death, so just call people against abortion anti-abortion.
Ol girl didnt even answer his question about why they arent as passionate about the kids once they're born!! Typical.
They also need to teach these kids how to help the unwanted children once they are born.
The eye roll that he gives is so powerful you could energize an entire city grid.
Haha that guy is smart. When he asked those "students" about teaching them to debate or about both sides and critical thinking, its like they just realized they are being brain washed.
I think the term is "radicalized"
RIGHT- they all sat silently without responding and allowed “Kim” the handler to answer, just as people in cults do. Then she says “we need to leave at 1” because she doesn’t WANT them to critically think too much
@@xcarlyxkinsx She was strangely reminiscent on a vid about North Korea with handlers providing the "correct answer".
it was 1ish everyone they had to leave!😂😂
It was interesting where they're having lunch and the reporter asked "Are you being trained to argue and debate or to be critically thinking about the issue?" they were all speechless, then the handler who was off camera answers him in a deflective manner. It reminded me of documentaries of people going to North Korea and trying to ask questions to everyday people, then being interrupted by their official North Korean guide.
😂😂😂
So impressed with the journalist, man. I woulda lost my goddamn patience with these people.
When he asked that question about the legal punishment opinions they had, and she interrupted, I think he nearly did.
See his jaw hit the floor a couple of times. Must have been thinking 'why did I get sent on this assignment'
@@Cutest-Bunny998 the way he rolled his eyes
Why just dream about it? Maybe go there at some point and knock a few of their clipboards out of their hands.
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I absolutely love the presenter, he is so calm and non-judgemental. I would get immediately angry at the intense cult vibes.
I love this. I hate when documentaries insert the interviewer/producers own views or narratives.
He asks good questions and pushes back up until people feel defensive which really pulls out their opinions.
A bunch of privileged kids telling the less fortunate what they can and can't come think for youreself
Arturo Solano couldn’t have said it better
I bet you that if one of these kids gets pregnant or gets someone pregnant, they’ll be finding the nearest abortion clinic but won’t find one because they live in Texas.
Arturo Solano yeah yeah sure soooo privileged. Most people that had an abortion chose not to use contraceptives.
I’m sorry that you believe based off this video that we are privileged. A majority of us fellows have grown up in low income house holds, are attending school with it being paid with loans or scholarships. Yet not one of would consider an abortion because we know that we have a support system even if it isn’t our family. And we try to spread that message to others who encounter themselves in an unplanned pregnancy we want them to know that we have them emotionally and financially by being there for them every step of the way and providing them with financial support so that they can choose life.
_Just Ilyssa_ That’s very generous of you, No one can disagree with you helping out another human being! How is the poor woman you guys met at the Planned Parenthood doing? It was heartbreaking to hear her talk about being raped and then trying to get help😔
The fact that they're all getting paid £1000 a term (funded by an oil company), really just shows that money brings influence.
Not a science based group. Not a women’s support group. An OIL company
What’s your point?
Why shouldn’t an oil company support life, nice to do good for a change.
@@sxtxrnxd I don’t get the point, an oil company doesn’t have any financial interest in pro life, so it’s not like they’re using their money to buy power and influence in the state for financial reasons. It’s philanthropy, wether you agree with the cause or not...
Surely?
@@user-tr8hr3zk7y incorrect. Big oil companies don’t care about abortions or Prolife, they care about taxes and restrictions to make insane amounts of money- so in order to protect their bottom line they go to who makes legislation and tax reform, I.e. Politicians, republicans to be exact. Those politicians are going to be prolife more than likely and to get the less restrictive tax legislation and loopholes, they have to promise money to causes the politicians support. Prolife donations and support are going to be the most impactful to get the politicians to do their biding. Notice the Texas right to life sends 6 lobbyists to Washington to influence policy. So Oil company wants less restriction and more profits, needs politicians to do so, so they support one of the largest platforms of the Republican Party, Abortion, and in turn the Politicians work for their benefit. No altruism here
Oil company that caused a lot of involuntary abortion due to pollution lmao.
I love how half the questions don’t even get answered, like the one about the foster care systems. And others are just blanked statements like “we’re saving the world”. I have to wonder if they really know what they’re fighting for or if they’re just fighting to be right to prove they’re better than the average person?
@@ContentKoan So the babies deserve to die because the foster care system isn't perfect and life is hard??
@@BonitaApplebum-br3pw No one is saying the fetus deserves death. This wasnt even remotely mentioned in the comment.
@@Bubblegum-rv2tf if that's the case why are you supporting abortion?? because most women who get abortions are not sexual assault victims
@@BonitaApplebum-br3pw
I’m not the one you’re talking to, but.......
Because it’s a human right that someone should choose how they live their life, having a child dramatically changed one’s life, whether for 18+ years or only 9 months.
Some women, quite a few women die in childbirth, and someone shouldn’t a forced to carry their pregnancy to term if they aren’t willing to take that risk.
Pregnancy can also seriously change your body and how it functions, potentially damaging it.
And finally, people are gonna get abortions, whether because of extreme circumstances (sexual assault, incest, etc) or just because they did an oopsie and aren’t ready for a child (eg. Teenagers or people in bad financial situations) people are gonna get them whether legal or not- women have died from illegal abortions performed by inexperienced people- so isn’t it better to regulate it?
@@molly.dog8brooke792 Yeah it is a human right for someone to choose how to live their life I agree with that but it’s not a human right to take another humans life because you’re too selfish and irresponsible to deal with the consequences of your poor actions so maybe don’t have sex with a man with out using good protection if you don’t want kids, every women knows what the ramifications of having unsafe sex is so don’t play the there’s no good sex education programs card because that’s a bunch of bull it’s takes no more than a quick google search of how to practice very safe sex also death due to child birth is very rare and is not the number one reason why women today get abortions 98% of abortions performed today are not because of sexual assault or health risks most of the time it’s heathy irresponsible promiscuous women that decide they want to terminate their own baby because it’s an inconvenience for them and believes having the baby will ruin their whole social life I mean how selfish and inconsiderate do you have to be take an innocent baby’s life because you can't face a little thing called responsibility and just want to party and bullshit all the time?
I wonder when was the last time they donated/volunteered in a orphanage or helped a homeless kid...
The critical thinking question to the students was a mic dropper lmao
Bryan Flores LMAO right?! You could hear a pin drop
@@EvadoCouto haha they didn't know what hit them
Bryan Flores I know this should be a given, but their inability to do any critical thinking really shocked me. Further shocking was them admitting they don’t know how to think for themselves. That’s scary to me!
@@EvadoCouto you're right. It is scary. Especially with the amount of information these kids have access to. It's a good example of our broken education system.
@@EvadoCouto And the pitfalls of blindly following a religion.
"We're not here to judge you" says the anti-abortionists trying to discourage women from going in their.😂
Once religion was brought into this, they lost. That isn’t critical thinking.
its feelings
The modern age where retards are influenced more by anime than religion
it can be critical thinking. If religion is the base and foundation of pro-life argument. That doesn't invalidate it. Of course any one can disagree. I hate when pro-life skirt around religion when it is a direct religious idea that is intended to force religious oppression on both the unborn and impregnated. Yes, give the unborn child a chance to live, is still a form of oppression that the mother and child has to deal with.
@@profile1172 The modern age where people still blindly worship ancient outdated books
@@yummychips_ the thing with religion is, YOUR religion might not allow you to get an abortion, but the laws that govern us should NEVER be based upon the ideology of a religion. Would a Christian want to follow a Muslim doctrine? How about an Atheist being forced to follow a Christian law? The minute religion is brought in they did lose the argument because in a modern, secular society, religion should not be written into the law. Government is created to protect religion and religious freedoms, NOT nationalize it.
“I’m still learning how to articulate MY thoughts!”
Really??? Then, just be silent sis!
See how she’s saying “potential life” there is no life yet. She just made a very good counterpoint for herself
life at conception
life does begin at conception that a scientific fact
@@Sunnysidestoriesandmusic prove it
@@fredvima9916 alright then, what’s your source
@@isabellaorozcogtz3082 www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
Thats a study from Princeton
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3211703
A scientific paper that proves it is a widely accepted scientific fact. Science is not on the pro abortion side.
Love how these kids who obviously seem to come from Christian upper to middle class families are against abortions when others don’t even have the money to give birth at an American hospital
My Mom a prolife warrior gave birth to me and my sister at home without pain medication so...you really shouldnt judge people
@@lilyflower5576 lmao 'warrior', bet she has that as a bumper sticker on her car.
@@georgie3411 No I mean I am a warrior
@@georgie3411 And I cant even afford a car but you dont have to have money to be a warrior and realize what is right!
@@lilyflower5576 Maybe you should learn how to structure a sentence before declaring yourself a 'warrior'.
17:44 girl was strong admitting that. Hope she's doing okay.
It's pretty awful a lot of us have had to disclose our trauma just to get these ignorant, privileged, judgmental people to understand there is a complexity to this they don't see. Sometimes it helps. I don't think it would help to say it to people willing to going to an indoctrination conference.
As a Texas Right to Life Fellow we are aware that there are many reasons that women seek abortion. And we empathize with them. I can tell you that the women willingly approached the group for the fact that we are not allowed to approach anyone unless they come up to us first.
@@ilyssagonzalez but do you understand how it comes across where individuals are trying to do what is best for them and then for someone to go "you shouldn't do that?" I'm glad in our country that we're trying to pass new laws to prevent individuals to protest within a 150m of a clinic.
SkullCrusher117 I just want to state that I do empathize with the individual who shared her story and hope she is doing well. Now we do not tell others that they should not seek an abortion however, we let them know that we are there for them emotionally and financially and make sure they are aware if they feel the need to follow through with the abortion they are not alone we will still be there to listen and be a shoulder to cry on if they need to. These women are not alone no matter what we love them in any situation. The last thing we want to do is condemn them because we are not ones to judge. Instead we provide love and compassion. Now there are other pro lifers who do yell and judge others. But that is not the way to treat and young lady facing a difficult situation and I want it to be known we are not those kind of pro lifers (:
_Just Ilyssa_ Thanks for your really in depth response! I wonder, going forward with this program, if there could be any way to include sessions for students to learn more about how they can help the community of young mothers? Perhaps assist at an orphanage or nursery, or create and hand out care packages for new mothers of lower income families? If this is truly the mission of your organization - providing love and compassion - I’d love to see that at all levels. I think a lot of pro-choicers like myself get frustrated when we hear that pro-life organizations are ‘there for them emotionally and financially’ and then provide very little public follow-through, other than prayers.
man the way they're so proud of being ignorant of the legal processes and actual real-world implications of their opinions. this is a masterclass in republicanism. just do and say whatever the hell you want and let other people deal with the consequences.
All that money for "scholarships" but when a single mother needs food stamps, it's "why should I pay for someone else?"
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Also, no help for mothers who suffer from postpartum psychosis. Or women who can't have children because of their mental health, since many medications are unsafe during pregnancy, and suddenly going off those meds could result in self harm.
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Pro life until the child is gay. Pro life until they're a refugee. Pro life until they need food stamps or housing assistance or medical care. Until they suffer from addiction. or don't believe as you do, or have behavioral issues, or a disability.
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Abortion needs to stay a legal, safe, medical right.
Those donors are using their wealth to have young people, who’ve lived their entire life in privilege and haven’t experience any type of hardship, and who’ve yet to have a fully mature mindset, fight their battles for them.
I believe in using our tax dollars to help these mothers and their children.
@@sarak6860 Except that's not where your taxes are going. Social services are bankrupt, the foster care system is in shambles. Our taxes go to the military, not to vital services that are actually needed.
Check out Love Line. It's a pro-life charity started by Abby Johnson that specifically helps mothers with young children and babies connect with resources in their area and occasionally even furnishes them with rent and supplies.
@@JP2GiannaT Fantastic! More charities like that AND abortion stays a safe, accessible, & legal right.
11:20 the silence of the students from his question is SO telling. They don't want them to think critically, they want to indoctrinate.
@Eli -- the only one indoctrinated is YOU ! Because you don't even need religion anylonger to show it's wrong, science & technology have caught up & you can see / experience the whole development of a baby ! So those who refuse to see these facts (even though they're now clearly presented using technology), are the ones who're totally brainwashed !
@@researchdesignz You're so indoctrinated that you think that what you just typed makes any sense
@@Rolsification -- aren't we all in some ways or other? :) However its usually those who're indoctrinated (aka brainwashed) :) the most who rave & rant the most & love pointing fingers at others instead of looking in the mirror! ;)
Isn't it a bit ironic that they go eat burgers after talking about how bad killing is?
Yes 100%
No, because human life is on a different level to animal life. Doesn't mean animals don't deserve good treatment, but a human murdering another human is a tragic thing.
Yes it's absolutely insane and telling of their cognitive dissonance
@@kitkatfrosty I would argue aborting a fetus that has no ability to be conscious at the time of the abortion is far better than killing an animal that has the full capacity to feel pain and probably suffered all its life living in less-than-ideal conditions to say the least.
@@kitkatfrosty You are joking, right? good one!
I never understood why its called pro life when they literally most don't even stand for basic rights as an actual living person in this world.
Students getting scholarship and $$$ for fighting to take away a woman's right to choose. Pro life people are so twisted.
At what point does a baby have a right to choose life?
Christopher Leigh ya saving life’s is so twisted
@@DegreesOfThreeAn embryo is not a baby.
Froggie An embryo and a baby are both growing humans. If you kill a pregnant woman, you are charged with two murders. You didn't answer the question. At what point does a growing human have a right to not be murdered?
@@DegreesOfThree An embryo is considered a fetus at 8-weeks.. I'd say that's more than enough time to run down to planned parenthood.
It's funny how people have to be, 'trained' to argue their own opinions.
You're right, we should probably get rid of all communications departments at every university since they serve no purpose.
All communication is learned. If you aren’t assertive I highly recommend learning to argue your own opinions.
Ya, let's get rid of speech and debate in high school. Or how about education all together. All of education is about learning and being firm in your positions and knowledge. What a tragic comment.
If you don't think that much of going to a university is subtle or not so subtle training for a particular set of beliefs, then I believe you might be somewhat naive.
when i want to get my point across, i cant just say " because thats what i want" or " it just sounds right to me" you have to learn how to help people understand you. its not always for good ideals, but they are good just for being someone with an opinion you think is important.
"There are people who can help" YEs the people inside at planned parenthood????
Jona Marie exactly.
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No, the adoption agency up the street...
You are sick.
bro, no one said mother’s can’t achieve their dreams. no one said you had to get an abortion. if you want to be a mother, go for it, that’s awesome! if you want to be a stay at home mother, awesome! a working mother? awesome! if that’s what you want.
but some people can’t do the things they want and raise or carry a child. and they should have the option to control their own body.
Then control your body before you have to resort to murder.
Holy shit his sigh at 19:50, you can tell this lady interrupted a lot of good questions.
I noticed that sigh as well. His demeanor was amazing throughout this video. He is honestly trying to get a full story but it seems the handler keeps roadblocking the most important questions that these students need to be able to express.
@TheExplorer Exactly, it's the self-same tactic the church of Scientology uses, any doc on them that has actual talks with the members of the church will always have church media there to prevent them saying things that could be seen as negative to outsiders. Scientology also does it to people who aren't affiliated anymore too, so I guess there's that. Although I don't know that Scientology has ever said you can't openly support a politician before...
Free speech is soooo important on the right, that's why they police their own people to make sure they don't accidentally support someone who could take power from their political party...for free speech...Sorry, I'm just fed up of the hypocrisy and I needed a rant about it :P
@TheExplorer - I may need to put your comment on conspicuously placed post-it notes, to reread throughout my day. I know that wasn’t directed at me, but I needed that. Thanks !
Ya, this is a tactic you see a lot with churches/cults. This acts to stop critical thinking and instead just tow the line. The less self reflection on what you are told to believe the better.
I read this comment ten seconds after seeing that sigh and I agree! Man, he is just trying to ask questions just like them.
It is so weird to me the need to “train” people how to debate a specific side. If your opinion isn’t strong enough to defend your claims, then your opinion might not be strong enough. This goes for pro life pro choice and numerous social issues we see.
There's politics and more importantly $$$ behind all of this. Think about who the people are that donate to this program and what their true agenda is.
Opinion doesn't really matter...facts do.
@Erin S -- ?? like anything in life... if you're passionate about something, & want to learn more, train more... you have to go out there & learn / train. It's that simple ! This's voluntary ...
so true
I get what you're saying, but I do want to point out that pretty much every ideology "trains" it's followers in some way or another. Religions train people in places of worship, capitalism and politicians use ads. I find that a lot of left wing beliefs are championed by teachers and professors through the education system. I'm left wing myself but in my opinion schools are no place for pushing political beliefs of any kind, even if I agree with them. This is pro life thing just seems more jarring because we aren't used to it.
Well. I'm inspired.
To go donate to Planned Parenthood.
You must see that both sides are extreme and irrational abortion should be permitted however not beyond the point of life
memerton the great Life begins at the point where children are able to survive outside their mother’s bodies. If Texas and the other red states really cared about the life’s of children they’d invest in health care to help combat infant mortality, invest in education to give the children born a perspective, invest in mental health instead of bullying LGBTQ+ children to death and stop those 'post-natal abortions'. But those hypocrites care about nothing but enforcing their extremist religious views on others.
@@user-kn3of5pp8j life begins when the fetus had the ability to to think and have some sort of consciousness
@@vehicularbronchitis1114 hum okay so biology crash course cos you don't seem to have ever listened. A virus is a being made of cells and that contains genetic material in the form of DNA or RNA. Now , a virus is not considered a living being because to survive it needs to penetrate a host cell and reproduce. When a zygote, an embryo , a foetus (depending of the stage) , is in a uterus , until it comes out it is dependent on Its host : the owner of that uterus. So, whatever that thing is, it behaves like a parasite: it uses the host's blood supply, feeds itself with the host's nutrients and guess what the placenta in which that thing is located was actually acquired by a virus. It develops and gets " rooted" I'm the uterine wall like a virus would she penetrating a host cell. Moreover, that thing can't reproduce at that stage which is another criteria to be a living being. Therefore, whatever is inside that uterus is not a living being. Now , abortions are performed usually before 12 weeks of amenorrhea, so at that stage it is totally safe for the mother to abort.
@@zeineb8870 a human being does not have rna and is clearly a fellow human besides just because a individual cannot survive without extra support doesn't mean he ot she isn't human a person that need insuline to survive is still human he or she has conciousness and the ability to think at a certain extent he or she has brain activity.
Recently having my first child, I realize how precious life is. At the same time, no one should mandate or restrict a woman's health choice.
Alzo, you have an incredible amount of self control and I hope one day I can keep my cool as well as you did this whole time. I actually think I would have ripped out my own hair if I had to sit through all that and get interrupted every time I asked a good question. VICE, give this man a raise he deserves it.
Typical liberal that don't support another opinion.
@@Nimbereth Did you watch the video. They literally stopped the teenagers from forming their answers without being censored. It's brainwashing.
You can see when the kids get confused and don’t know how to answer and that’s when Kim needs to step in because the kids have this script they’ve been taught and can’t think logically on their own without it. This whole boot camp is so hypocritical.
I'll delete my comment because you said it better.
You mean when the kid was chewing with food in his mouth and they were already scheduled to leave?
Bizzy Well, in a way. If you want to call it the equivalent of a college class, it would be hypocritical. But think about what a military boot camp actually is. It’s function is not to teach critical thinking, but to follow orders without questioning them.
The question I would be asking is just how inclusive a term like pro-life really is. Texas has the highest number of executions since the Supreme Court reversed its earlier decision to ban it a few years earlier. And there are cases which have arisen where there were serious doubts about the convicted person’s innocence, or whether they even received a fair trial. From cases in other states, there were several cases where new evidence proved the innocence of people on death row.
So if one is pro-life, should one be supporting the death penalty? And the same questions arise about all issues regarding human life. If you want the label “pro-life”, then doesn’t that include ALL life issues? Otherwise, one is just anti-abortion.
I understand that this may not be included in this “boot camp”. But perhaps the parent group of this (Texas Right to Life) SHOULD be examining all other life issues, including the death penalty, gun control, the social safety net, ensuring people have access to health care, and so on.
@Joshua Beebe The question was retarded and didn't even deserve a response. It's a scholarship to help pro-life kids articulate pro-life arguments. None of them are on the fence about the ethics of baby murder. That's like asking PETA representatives if they've carefully considered the pros and cons of animal abuse.
John Cronin well said and very well thought out! If they are fighting for one group so openly and by degrading women who are already going through something so upsetting, they need to be able to clearly explain why stopping abortions is their only goal and not protecting the other lives in Texas.
The fact that they think they are going to be “on the right side of history” is appalling
Yes, the side of not killing babies is the right side of history.
kitkatfrosty sorry kit, no babies are being killed. But thousands of women would die without safe abortions.
@They_Call_Me_ Pebbles it take 12 weeks before real development starts. I see anything before that time is fair game for termination. My cousin was raped by her stepfather and her parents actually tried to make her keep it because they wanted a son but she aborted it because duh. I think that every woman has the right to chose. If they decide to keep it that’s their choice but if they decide not to also their choice. Leave it up to The God(s) to decide their fate in the afterlife.
@They_Call_Me_ Pebbles and I will say this to you it’s your body your choice but I don’t believe it’s your right to force your beliefs or views on others. If you truly want to help then become a foster parent.
@@thecolorjune Die of what? Pregnancy?
Presenter: Asks a tough question
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Handler: SOMEBODY CALL VERONICA
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this guy is by far the best journalist at vice right now.
See I just can’t wrap my head around the idea that fetus is consider alive. As a student of biology, it really is technically a part of the mother’s body until 8 months
I’m pro choice, but many biologists say life begins at conception.
@kenzie dreams it’s actually 21 weeks I think, but isn’t it recognized that any infant born before 28 weeks has no more than 50% survival rate?
Technically you are wrong and should probably look at your text books a bit further.
@kenzie dreams that sounds like cherry-picking papers. I’m pretty sure a majority of research recognize 28 as the cut off
Edit: 90% after 26 does not sound right. It sounds like the research is only done to Beverly Hill
Lauren B according to the cell theory, a cell is the smallest functional unit of life. That adds nothing to either argument.
I would say we need a Pro-Choice boot camp but that’s just called education
Thats an underrated comment
@@endlesssummer2133 in what way? Sounds like an empty hypothetical comparison that equates the 2 as similar, when all it is a Mumbo Jumbo feel good quote-ism BS
@@ezethrell2983 huh??????? you lost me on that one. anyways I think Avi was making a joke more than a 'feel good quote'. it's also true, given college educated adults tend towards pro-choice to a high degree (60-70%)
@@ezethrell2983 looks like you didn't get an education. It's the pro-life community that just pushes feel good quotism BS
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So sad for the gay guy who is clearly closeted and in pain.
You are assuming gays can't be pro-life. That thought is so dumb