@@alex20776a In this clip? absolutely not, these scenes don't deliver new information about the plot, only about the characters. And yes, it is ridiculously accurate.
@@alex20776a I work in banks. It is 100% accurate. By the time you get to senior manager, the ways you had of processing data have changed, and you no longer care because you can afford to have people explain that stuff to you. Your boss's boss is even worse.
@@razgaros Fair enough. Although my point was that sometimes in movies its requird ti explain the situation, to keep the audiecne with the plot. Note: I also work at a bank, in a G-SIB.
"I don't think that would be a good idea" is an underrated line, short and succinct but with a world of meaning to both participants, i.e. there are going to be lawsuits and investigations and we can't leave a paper trail.
@@Adiscretefirm if it falls in the same category as insider information, then it's illegal. Even if it wasn't, the fact that they have known beforehand the assets are going to be worthless and because of that sole reason they decided to sell it with false pretense like "my loss is your gain" (that Bettany's character used later when doing the selling) will not play out well in civil court.
I rember Paul Bettany getting a bit of stick for the weird mid-atlantic accent he used in this. Then someone who'd worked in New York told me that there are thousands of Brits who go over there to make some money, end up staying for decades, and speak just like that. Bettany nailed it.
I have to presume that you’re right, but geez i hope you’re not. He sounds like a caricature, until he slips and sounds like himself for two words. If someone called me talking like that, i wouldn’t trust him to sell me a candy bar.
Have worked with Brits in Manhattan for over a decade. They don't sound like this at all. Also, the traditional NY accent has been fading since the 90s. You'll find very few people have it in white collar jobs, much less big finance
I've worked for Barclays in the UK and the US, a number of Brits on the trading floor. They might not get much attention as the movies are made of Wall Street, but the UK are equally to blame and fixing Libor, the US gets all the attention but they've been pushing insurance and investment products since 1686 and are thick as thieves when markets need propping or dropping.
“Email it to me.” “I don’t THINK that would be a good idea.” Translation: You absolutely do not want a paper trail showing we knew about this ahead of time.
Well it looks like they're looking at a custom dashboard of some kind, and not really a spread sheet, but either way, they're looking at technical data and since they manage the people who manage the data (or manage the people who manage the people) they don't really understand it.
The way Paul bettany delivers that line: “I don’t think that would be a good idea” just grabbed me because he says it soooo well. And Sam reads between the lines so to speak when will tells him that, it is then Sam realizes it’s something serious. So he heads back. That is good screenwriting
@@nickmoore385 They had a very limited budget, by all accounts. It was no mean feat getting a cast of that quality together, given the financial constraints they were working under.
The cascading of final decisions upward. Each person gets to tell their boss that the world is ending and the first words out of their mouth once they finally see the numbers and understand the danger is "Where's Eric Dale?". Who is the most important person in this film? Eric Dale and he's missing for most of it. Brilliant.
Yep! Exactly. The most critical scene is in the very beginning when he’s being laid off and you don’t truly realize it until you rewatch the movie. He’s like Ned Stark was to GOT 😂
He could've asked for a one time fee of ten million to dig them out of that mess and they would've agreed and he doesn't even understand how valuable he is to them on its most literal sense.
@@ingvarhallstrom2306 Eric calculates and predicts. I don’t think he could get them out of the hole however much money you throw at him. The have reached the unavoidable solution without him. Sell it all!
I like how they used Seth's innocence ironically here. He is completely hung up on money, his vice is really the core vice underlying the whole predicament.
@@BroiledSourGrapes Maturity through being thrown out from the coddled world of highschools and colleges and into the harsh reality of working adult life.
This movie is incredible, what a brilliant touch how each person who discovers the problem needs to explain to the other person how to read the data suggesting the problem, this captures how clueless the people were during the time of collapse.
I think that's in general across many organizations, government, private, etc. When I worked for a large corp, I would talk to people in separate departments, and they had no clue what I was talking about in describing my job, at least at first.
I'm not sure, figures would go over the audience head, complex stuff (products were sold on that basis ), plain English is the best way to keep audience gripped.
"I don't think that would be a good idea" oh boy...having worked my entire adult life in industries very prone to legal discovery if someone said that to me my blood would run cold followed by a "I'm on my way"
Made my blood chill at the reality and it's just a movie.... Spacey knew exactly that there was a shit storm back at the office waiting for him at that moment
@D V Documents exist but you can't prove who knew what. On the computer, Peter Sullivan is the only one (a low level person) that can be proven to know about the model before they sell everything.
@D V plausible deniability. In many cases, it will be the difference between an “honest mistake”, and willful negligence/breach. I’m not in the law business, but I would guess the latter case would carry much more consequences, if the defendant is found guilty in court.
@ D V it ends up being a mute point as there were minutes being taken during the board meeting in which they discuss the report in detail and make the decision to sell. But Will didn't know that was going to happen when he made the call. He just knew the report was potentially "explosive" and extremely confidential. As Tuld observes, they are selling an item at the current fair market price. It is not relevant that they are selling because they believe it will be worthless. The majority of traders were buying because they didn't believe that. Turns out the majority were wrong but you can't prosecute them for being smarter than everyone else or being first to recognize the issue. They weren't even first to recognize if you watch "The Big Short" which is the other great movie on this debacle!
I've seen this film through start to finish; even still, I can't resist watching these clips on CZcams when they're offered. Every time I watch a clip I want to watch the whole film again. Very entertaining, and equally disturbing.
I haven’t gotten around to watching the movie yet, but I think I’ve watched like half of it through all the CZcams clips. Looks like it’s on Peacock, I’ll see if I get 30 days free on that
Even worse is the fact we are about to see another "hiccup" in the market. Pretty sure this one is so bad that the music doesn't only stop, it starts playing in reverse!!
I'm watching these clips and the thing I notice aside from the compelling story is how good the cinematography is. This is a film about the stock market and it's shot nicer than most art films I've seen. I think I'm going to watch this film in full now.
In normal times, he doesn't *need* to. That's not his role. He's Mr. Big Picture and that's small-screen stuff. Other people are paid to read those things, and then report to him. He's paid to decide.
None of the analysts would be able to do his job either. division of labor results in huge increases of productivity. Requiring such extensive knowledge of all aspects of the industry as a criterion for the employment of each candidate would be incredibly inefficient.
What I love about Will is he’s a realist every situation in the movie he reacts as if a smart and rational person would but he also keeps it real with everyone
The only movie that I would say is better in the topic is Too Big to Fail. It's from the government and larger firms perspectives as they try to stop the collapse from spreading to a depression. This is like that but only the tip of the iceberg. Check it out.
Mike Poston This actually only shows the triggering of the 2008 financial disaster and actually what aggravated it much. If they just let Bear Sterns collapse instead of spreading the MBS/CDO “disease” all over the world damage would have been quite smaller.
The Big Short is also really good...it covers some of the more technical causes of the recession in a way people who don't work in the financial world can understand. I worked for Merrrill Lynch from 2001-2008...it was a scary time to be in the business.
Too Big to Fail is great. I’ve watched it multiple times. The Big Short was honestly way too confusing to me. I’ve never seen this movie but I’m going to find it and watch the whole thing, it looks like such a great movie!
@@raymondfrye5017 A better analogy is this 'Margin Call' = at an individual bank (Goldman Sachs, whom was amongst the first to dump their MBS position, before the rest found out how toxic it was) "The Big Short" : across multiple banks; and hedge funds, especially the short sellers; and also both the revolving door in and out of the SEC and the private sector, and that the Big Three ratings agencies tend to sell ratings if handed enough money ... "Too Big to Fail": the American economy as the whole, and when secret meeting was held between the then Treasury Secretary to stop Lehmann Brothers from going bankrupt, which could set off a cataclysmic cascade. To me, the American economy was Ground Zero, as it was the 'Boom' that blew not only $5 Trillion off of it, but which sent a shock wave several times around the world. Like a huge earthquake, the aftershocks was still being felt, almost a decade later "Meltdown": almost a movie length documentary about the whole thing, but not least the global shock wave, which affected entire countries, like Iceland, in a way not seen since the Great Crash of the 1930's, along with tent cities ... Problem is, that kind of thing needs public spending to fix, but how much can any Administration borrow/spend, without increasing inflation ...
All three movies as a suite, completely tell the story of the 2008 Crash. You know people saw this coming, you realize how preventable this was and you get every reason why this happened before 2008, why it happened in 2008 and why it is ABSOLUTELY inevitable that this happens again in the future. Fantastic.
I would imagine if Seth knew he was going to be in a meeting in a few hours with his bosses, bosses, bosses boss ,who took the helicopter in, he wouldn't be drinking wine out of a paper bag.
It's not cluelessness. It's "Get to the damn point." The damn point, of course, is a normally-jagged chart flat-lining. That's all you really need to know. But there is a deeper current, here, as pointed out by F.A. Hayek. This is why the market, everyone buying and selling everything, from the Mr. Tulds in the investment banks to you and me getting this can of soup not that one in the grocery store, is smarter than any Mr. Tuld. The Mr. Tulds in the world only have time for that one quick glance at the summary chart--and then they spend billions. They know a lot, and understand a lot, but everything they get is highly filtered. What Peter gives his managers, right up to Tuld, is about as direct as anything they ever get from anybody. Peter doesn't even have a personal axe to grind, as many intermediaries in business and government do. (It's been pointed out that the free market is the economic equivalent of evolution, a distributed information process where the necessary information is always known only to the private individuals making their own decisions as to how to use the resources available to them.)
I misunderstood this movie for a while. The “I don’t think that would be a good idea” scene in regard to Sam asking Will to email him sums up the entire movie perfectly. Everyone at the firm who’d been around for long enough knew this would happen, but as long as there wasn’t a paper trail they could claim plausible deniability to any accusations of negligence by outsiders/authorities. The second the new guy (Peter) filled in the blank (which Eric left there on purpose) he sent the entire firm into “cover your ass” mode as from then on there was a paper trail.
I don't think so, because they still needed to sell at some point. As Sam says to Jared in another scene, everyone will notice once the firm keeps on selling without buying anything. So no one would believe them saying they were not aware of selling trash at this point in time. However, they knew that one day things will get ugly but no one of them expected it to be that soon and therefore kept on going for the big profits. The work of Eric and Peter was crucial to cover the firms asses. Without them they would have ended up holding the bag because any other firm would be first to sell instead. The only thing they actively wanted to cover up was a trail leading to the upper management being actively involved in fraud for the last couple of months/years. This is why everyone of them gets fired up once someone mentions "we talked about this", because then the investigators could find a hard trace that way before the turmoil in the market there was active knowledge about the bad products they were selling for such an extended period of time.
No they covered their asses because the model projecting he did showed that once a certain volatility hits their MBS portfolio will snowball into a downfall and bankrupt the company.
2:00 I love that almost exasperated "Say we haven't found him yet." Like c'mon Seth, be honest in this situation because the dumpster fire has already started.
Sam is particularly annoyed with having to go back to the office at 11 pm. That is not so unusual in the finance industry. I think the movie is suggesting he is driving with his dead dog in the trunk, hence his reaction.
Such an amazing movie. Love the whole drama of it. Some analyst whom nobody really pays attention to figures out a huge mess, sh't rolled up hill super quick, hour or so later he is talking directly with the CEO.
Hierarchical intelligence in play : Sam reverses Will's decision to let Sullivan search for Eric. He orders him to get Sullivan back. Jared reverses Sam's approach to not sell everything, orders him to sell everything ASAP. John Tuld bolldozes literally everyone (except Jared who talks solely in his interest)
I love Seth as a sort of stand-in for the American public. At the beginning, he's just happy to be 'alive', and just wants to party with all the traders. When Peter the analyst discovers the problem, he's still swigging from the bottle and not taking it seriously. He figures, "Hey, it's just a glorified casino, right? It's not that serious." He just does as he's told, interested almost solely in how much money the people around him make, even when beat traders like Wil are contemplating suicide. He gets excited that Tuld appears when it looks bad, sensing he will solve things (although, in reality, Tuld isn't going to save him, he'll save the firm). When these events are being discussed and things are starting to fall apart, he's not ignorant, he's in the room, but he has nothing to say and nobody even remembers what his name is. Then, it dawns on him that things are bad. He asks if he's going to be fired, and Wil tells him that he almost certainly will, then lectures him about how hypocritical it is for the public to be worried about all this now when he'd spent all this time making sure they made a lot more money than they should. He ends up crying in a bathroom stall, hardly noticed by an uncaring Jared Cohen, the golden boy high-order guy, looks at him pleading for sympathy and telling him that this was all he ever wanted, and Cohen is completely disinterested. Though he's almost certainly going to be fired, his ultimate fate isn't known, last seen watching the final events play out.
Good observation. Most of us get on with our days but blind to what’s really happening in the world. Forget the financial crisis and talk about the pandemic for a second. Do you remember there was at least a month when China was blowing up and the rest of the world just ignored it? Many believed it won’t happen to them, it was just some far off places disaster. When some really bad shit is happening, there are actually plenty of clues, if you care to look.
I think you're being a little harsh on him here. He is meant to be a trainee/graduate who just came into the company and industry. He has the least experience and is new to the whole corporate world. Therefore; he is the most expendable. If I was the kid, I would have threatened to leave and divulge information unless I got a payout.
in reality they DO understand those things. But authors of the movie must also explain things to the viewer, so their explanations are pretty simplistic, vague and stripped from any specifics. In reality high-finance people know and understand what they do and what consequences it might bring, but... you dance to the music, dog eats dog etc, and some of them simply don't give a f*, they like the game.
@@DJRYGAR1 "They DO understand those things." Darn betcha. They also know how to play the social game of self-deprecation. Most of all, what they want to do is cut to the chase, to not waste a single second, because they know very expensive clocks are running, and when the bell sounds, the show's over. They want the "elevator pitch" the short sweet summary than can be delivered between floors.
Yes. And the truth is, some people really did commit suicide over this horrible recession we had in 2008. Because they lost so much money or, their job.
@@rbr4115 that is the only thing thay care about. How is that not in context. Eric commiting suicide is eric taking his secrets to grave. For them it is GREAT not "worse"
The director JC Chandoor had a background in finance and his father said he would have made a really good trader, but he decided to go into filmmaking instead.
Just picked up on this at 4:24 "He's probably crying in some fucking beer somewhere." "Yeah, or worse." The first hint that Eric Dale has the firm completely by the balls and could end them forever if he wanted to. I mean, imagine how tempting that would be to call up one of your hedge fund buddies and work out a deal. Eric tells them which CDS to lever up and buy overnight, which assets to start shorting. They do it over the next few hours in overnight liquidity pools, wait until markets open for other stuff. The firm's mortgages plummet in value before Sam can sell any. When the firm does sell, they start at 60 cents on the dollar and end at basically option value by the close. The hedge fund makes bank, a massive transfer of wealth from the firm's balance sheet to the hedge fund's. The firm is in bankruptcy protection that evening. I love how they didn't make this fear explicit. It's like a horror movie: something is scaring everyone and the audience isn't quite sure what it is. Lets your imagination run wild. (Of course the investigation into what caused the crisis would identify this set of transactions, but Eric Dale might be safe if he used a burner to call his buddy. This movie is so much better than it got credit for).
Carmelo is most likely the CSO of the firm. It's his duty to ensure the safety of company's assets. Personels, data and infrastructure. He should have records of employee's next of kins, cousins or parents address and phone numbers. He knows where to go look for Eric Dale if he wants to.
Both Sam and Tuld both say "I can't read those things, just talk to me in plain english." You can see Tuld sees Sam as someone who could be in that position but doesn't want that kind of responsibility.
Finally figured these two things out. Eric Dale said, "Be careful", meaning don't leave a paper trail. Dale had already figured out the problem at that point. Next, Dale would have loved to see the company crash and burn since they fired him, but couldn't let it happen because they wouldn't have paid out his severance and his buddies still at the firm would've been screwed.
Nope, you only seeing from your own immature point of view ..Eric was a mature man who knew the knock on effect that would impact his family and friends and also those on the fringes of his social circle , so has no wish to see anything crash and burn .. 'Be careful' was not about a paper trail at all, you have totally misread the whole gig and therefore come to the wrong conclusion. it's ok, those of us who use logic and reasoning need f*ckwits like you to make us look good.
Thanks for this, when i most pressurized moments, i watch 3 movies in particular, Margin Call , Big Short and Interstellar, i watch them more than 15 times now,
Will's, "What do I know?" line is repeated by Sam when he breaks the news to Jared and Sarah after Jared asks him whether he had seen the numbers that Peter Sullivan put out on the model. It's the common sarcastic response to anyone because they're not informed of the decisions beforehand.
The character Seth Bregman accurately describes the markets: "A bunch of glorified crack addicts really....they take that information, they pretend to understand it, and they bet it against some other Jack halfway around the world who, you know if he wasn't doing this he'd be at an OTB somewhere putting it all on number 7." Peter tries to tell him is more "complicated" than that, but later on Sam confirms Seth's assessment. After all the fancy terms, after all the pretty graphs, after all the jargon from people thinking they are discussing hard science, it's really just gambling with money. Mostly with money you don't have.
... or mostly money that wasn't/isn't yours to begin with, but, instead is kinda 'lent' to you, from, say, the guy in charge of a corporate pension fund, to increase the RoI of/for those whom paid into it ...
One junior (Sullivan) doing all the job, the other one beeing fired at the end but "it 's nothing personnal", and the two boomers managers making millions a year and unable to just understand the data shown to them. "what are we looking at ?"
You'd think that because Sullivan explained it to Emerson, you'd need not see another exposition more or less when he told Sam. Yet they did it, and hot damn did they do a fantastic job of the same explanation of whatever Peter told Will.
Just a note, but Sam had his dead dog in his trunk for most of this movie. He was going home to bury her when Will called and went to his former home to bury her at the end of the movie.
Margin Call showed how things imploded from a brokerage's standpoint. The Big Short, showed how a bunch of mavericks capitalized on the banking implosion by netting billions on shorting the financials, then disappearing into the background, earning 15% in offshore accounts while the rest of the world burns.
I remember reading somewhere how someone estimated the number was probably somewhere around 800 billion. It really puts into perspective how little the 131 million loss is when Sam sells to merril lynch for 65 on the dollar during the fire sale
Very few weak links in this movie, but even so I think the chemistry between Will and Sam is the best part. There may be some harsh words occasionally, but they totally respect each other and trust the other one to do the best possible.
Films such as this & The Big Short make me so relieved for my joining the military after high school instead of going to college or trade school; I had the most secure employment in the world when the recession hit. Hell I was overseas for more than half of it so I didn't really grasp how bad it was until I got out. Which of course I used the Post 9/11 GI Bill and was in school 46-48 weeks out of the year so received the housing allowance until after finishing and the economy was at full steam again. Not exactly Boomer luck but I was more fortunate than most of my generation where I came from.
At 5.40 there is a great bit of choreography where Zac's character walks behind Penn's setting up the switch positions in the car. Otherwise it would create the Crossing the Line effect that is usually actively avoided. Zac was on the left for this shot. Now he is on the right.
I like how the script structered. Sam is getting a pep talk from john in the end. But he doesnt buy it, peter buys it. We are seeing same incidents happen to different people in the movie. Brilliant
Imagine being a literal rocket scientist with a Ph.D and you're getting paid as much as these snotty Ivy league kids. At least John and Sam recognized talent.
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The fact that the two managers who are making 10X the rates of their analysts aren’t able to read the actual spreadsheets is so ridiculously accurate.
It's a plot vehicle to explain to the audience what is going on. Otherwise it may be a silent dialog of nods and looks.
@@alex20776a In this clip? absolutely not, these scenes don't deliver new information about the plot, only about the characters.
And yes, it is ridiculously accurate.
If that's true,we are in a whole lot trouble in 2023..ouch...
@@alex20776a I work in banks. It is 100% accurate. By the time you get to senior manager, the ways you had of processing data have changed, and you no longer care because you can afford to have people explain that stuff to you. Your boss's boss is even worse.
@@razgaros Fair enough. Although my point was that sometimes in movies its requird ti explain the situation, to keep the audiecne with the plot. Note: I also work at a bank, in a G-SIB.
"I don't think that would be a good idea" is an underrated line, short and succinct but with a world of meaning to both participants, i.e. there are going to be lawsuits and investigations and we can't leave a paper trail.
Yep, if you're an executive and someone says that, the shit has hit the fan, likely illegal shit.
That gets Sam's attention more than anything else that had been said up to that point.
it was highly illegal ppl lost all theri savings
@@topi2209 a lot of it was immoral and unethical but not illegal, brokers do not have to act in their clients best interests.
@@Adiscretefirm if it falls in the same category as insider information, then it's illegal. Even if it wasn't, the fact that they have known beforehand the assets are going to be worthless and because of that sole reason they decided to sell it with false pretense like "my loss is your gain" (that Bettany's character used later when doing the selling) will not play out well in civil court.
I rember Paul Bettany getting a bit of stick for the weird mid-atlantic accent he used in this. Then someone who'd worked in New York told me that there are thousands of Brits who go over there to make some money, end up staying for decades, and speak just like that. Bettany nailed it.
I have to presume that you’re right, but geez i hope you’re not.
He sounds like a caricature, until he slips and sounds like himself for two words.
If someone called me talking like that, i wouldn’t trust him to sell me a candy bar.
Yeah I thought Bettany was generally very good in this film. His character was nuanced. He didn't seem perfectly good or perfectly bad.
Have worked with Brits in Manhattan for over a decade. They don't sound like this at all. Also, the traditional NY accent has been fading since the 90s. You'll find very few people have it in white collar jobs, much less big finance
Maybe my acquaintance had a different experience. This film had such good acting and was so well-directed, I assume the accent was intentional.
I've worked for Barclays in the UK and the US, a number of Brits on the trading floor. They might not get much attention as the movies are made of Wall Street, but the UK are equally to blame and fixing Libor, the US gets all the attention but they've been pushing insurance and investment products since 1686 and are thick as thieves when markets need propping or dropping.
“Email it to me.”
“I don’t THINK that would be a good idea.”
Translation: You absolutely do not want a paper trail showing we knew about this ahead of time.
oooh aren't you an intellectual analyst? thank you, none of us would have guessed, you pseudo iintellectual. jesus christ.
Harvard called in, they want you to teach there, clown
@@wildnugget1675 easy bro. he's just making an observation.
@@wildnugget1675 first day on youtube?
@@wildnugget1675 the fuck is wrong with you
Best scene of two upper managers not knowing how to read a spreadsheet. Incredibly well written and acted
Well it looks like they're looking at a custom dashboard of some kind, and not really a spread sheet, but either way, they're looking at technical data and since they manage the people who manage the data (or manage the people who manage the people) they don't really understand it.
It contrasts well against later on when Will has to unload almost all the assets before 3:00PM. Shows why Will was where he was.
No one is going to suddenly grasp the overall structure of a dozen sheet excel model that someone else built within 10 seconds.
They're both salesmen, not analysts.
@@bami2 note “upper management”.
They were senior to the junior persons. Function didn’t matter a point of hierarchy.
The way Paul bettany delivers that line: “I don’t think that would be a good idea” just grabbed me because he says it soooo well. And Sam reads between the lines so to speak when will tells him that, it is then Sam realizes it’s something serious. So he heads back. That is good screenwriting
You know why this movie is loved by many? Its old-school cinematography as it should be, at its pure form. All about people and art of acting
Agreed. No CGI theatrics, no car crashes, no frantic sex scenes. It's all about the acting, the writing and the direction.
@@rahmij good movies can have CGI, and car crashes, and all of that, but also have to have good writing and acting as well.
@@jon8004 Which is no bad thing. Look at Blade Runner. It's unremittingly dark, grey and dismal. Does that make it a bad film?
And all filmed in 17 days apparently.
@@nickmoore385 They had a very limited budget, by all accounts. It was no mean feat getting a cast of that quality together, given the financial constraints they were working under.
The irony of Seth saying “ I try not to let work get to me like that”
Then he’s crying in the toilet when it actually impacts him directly
We all have a bit of Seth in us, admit it.
The cascading of final decisions upward. Each person gets to tell their boss that the world is ending and the first words out of their mouth once they finally see the numbers and understand the danger is "Where's Eric Dale?". Who is the most important person in this film? Eric Dale and he's missing for most of it. Brilliant.
off dreaming of bridges
Yep! Exactly. The most critical scene is in the very beginning when he’s being laid off and you don’t truly realize it until you rewatch the movie. He’s like Ned Stark was to GOT 😂
He could've asked for a one time fee of ten million to dig them out of that mess and they would've agreed and he doesn't even understand how valuable he is to them on its most literal sense.
@@ingvarhallstrom2306 Eric calculates and predicts. I don’t think he could get them out of the hole however much money you throw at him. The have reached the unavoidable solution without him. Sell it all!
Bit dramatic
I like how they used Seth's innocence ironically here. He is completely hung up on money, his vice is really the core vice underlying the whole predicament.
**Spoiler? I guess**
And he ends up getting fired at the end of the movie too....
@@kapnerad
We’re left to presume he was.
'this is all I ever wanted to do' he says to Jared Cohen in the bathroom
@@timdowney6721 he did get fired. They told him he was gonna get fired. He was crying in the restroom towards the end because of it.
@@SawBlood45
I thought he was constipated.
"I don't think that that would be a good idea". Pause. "I am on my way". Beautiful writing. So elegant and economical.
*that would
you're fun at parties
Thank you. That actually matters.
Shut up you pretentious twit. Take your "elegant" and "economical" and shove them up your...
@@omnivorous65 It's an over done cliche. If you think that's elegant you don't know much.
"We're 23 years old, come on" "I'm 28..." yeah I felt that.
I'm 33, and I felt that. A guy a decade younger than me makes over four times as much money. (And I have two degrees.)
@@mirzaahmed6589 what degrees did you do
I felt that, too. A pretty good chunk of maturity tends to development from 23 to 28 even though it mathematically doesn’t sound like much.
@@BroiledSourGrapes Maturity through being thrown out from the coddled world of highschools and colleges and into the harsh reality of working adult life.
More money pre inflation too. When houses cost that much@mirzaahmed6589
"Email it to me."
"I don't think that would be a good idea."
Translation: We do not want this on a discoverable record.
@willie billie no shit sherlock
@@bluecomet1109 No shit Sherlock
"I'm on my way"
Translation: I'm driving towards your location. I will be there soon.
"Email it to me? Are you Hillary...?"
@@thepostfk No shit, Sherlock.
2023 and they're still looking for Eric Dale.
What happened to him?
@@charlesatanasioThis is fiction. There was no Eric Dale.
@@davidweihe6052 2008 passed you by, bud.
Also, its part of the joke.
Even if you don't understand the 2008 financial crisis, this is such a good movie. Incredible casting, all around.
Real damn close to being AIG IN '09. REAL DARN CLOSE
Maybe the most underrated movie in the last 30 years.
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Great lines
"Its Will, he wants to know if we've found him yet. What do I say?"
"Tell him we haven't found him yet."
"Ok."
A great display of a naive kid in way over his head.
This movie is incredible, what a brilliant touch how each person who discovers the problem needs to explain to the other person how to read the data suggesting the problem, this captures how clueless the people were during the time of collapse.
I think that's in general across many organizations, government, private, etc. When I worked for a large corp, I would talk to people in separate departments, and they had no clue what I was talking about in describing my job, at least at first.
Totally correct
seems to be the case now with this goddamn pandemic . The idiocy is immense
They are even more clueless now and this collapse which is imminent will make the 08 real estate collapse look like a day at the amusement park!
I'm not sure, figures would go over the audience head, complex stuff (products were sold on that basis ), plain English is the best way to keep audience gripped.
"I don't think that would be a good idea" oh boy...having worked my entire adult life in industries very prone to legal discovery if someone said that to me my blood would run cold followed by a "I'm on my way"
Made my blood chill at the reality and it's just a movie.... Spacey knew exactly that there was a shit storm back at the office waiting for him at that moment
@D V It means very little that the documents exist, and an awful lot to legal exposure if his personal knowledge of them can be proven.
@D V Documents exist but you can't prove who knew what. On the computer, Peter Sullivan is the only one (a low level person) that can be proven to know about the model before they sell everything.
@D V plausible deniability. In many cases, it will be the difference between an “honest mistake”, and willful negligence/breach. I’m not in the law business, but I would guess the latter case would carry much more consequences, if the defendant is found guilty in court.
@ D V it ends up being a mute point as there were minutes being taken during the board meeting in which they discuss the report in detail and make the decision to sell. But Will didn't know that was going to happen when he made the call. He just knew the report was potentially "explosive" and extremely confidential. As Tuld observes, they are selling an item at the current fair market price. It is not relevant that they are selling because they believe it will be worthless. The majority of traders were buying because they didn't believe that. Turns out the majority were wrong but you can't prosecute them for being smarter than everyone else or being first to recognize the issue. They weren't even first to recognize if you watch "The Big Short" which is the other great movie on this debacle!
I've seen this film through start to finish; even still, I can't resist watching these clips on CZcams when they're offered. Every time I watch a clip I want to watch the whole film again.
Very entertaining, and equally disturbing.
Same here. I can’t help but watch them.
I haven’t gotten around to watching the movie yet, but I think I’ve watched like half of it through all the CZcams clips.
Looks like it’s on Peacock, I’ll see if I get 30 days free on that
Same
Even worse is the fact we are about to see another "hiccup" in the market. Pretty sure this one is so bad that the music doesn't only stop, it starts playing in reverse!!
@@Sight-Beyond-Sight Why do you say that ? I can't see any valid reasons of the market crashing this year at least
The subtlety of Will's hand shaking as he waits for Sam to arrive...
Woah, didnt even notice that, thanks for pointing that out!!!
I'm watching these clips and the thing I notice aside from the compelling story is how good the cinematography is. This is a film about the stock market and it's shot nicer than most art films I've seen. I think I'm going to watch this film in full now.
Watching these clips is how I'm coping with the current recession lol
@@FffffffffffffffffffffffffffffL That's actually not a bad way to do it I gotta say.
@@FffffffffffffffffffffffffffffL a recession is like being shot by a bb while this was a ballistic missile
This movie captures the essence of the moment in every scene!!! Well done
*_"Ah jeezz you know I can't read these things"_*
That's part of the problem.
It's not. You don't need to know how pipes work or plumbing, to trust a plumber. This is something well beyond that.
In normal times, he doesn't *need* to. That's not his role. He's Mr. Big Picture and that's small-screen stuff. Other people are paid to read those things, and then report to him. He's paid to decide.
4:38 you see, that he *can* read these things, he just doesn't need to under normal circumstances
None of the analysts would be able to do his job either. division of labor results in huge increases of productivity. Requiring such extensive knowledge of all aspects of the industry as a criterion for the employment of each candidate would be incredibly inefficient.
What I love about Will is he’s a realist every situation in the movie he reacts as if a smart and rational person would but he also keeps it real with everyone
Probably the best movie ever made about the onset of the 2008 recession. If you have not seen this movie rented out.
The only movie that I would say is better in the topic is Too Big to Fail. It's from the government and larger firms perspectives as they try to stop the collapse from spreading to a depression. This is like that but only the tip of the iceberg. Check it out.
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This actually only shows the triggering of the 2008 financial disaster and actually what aggravated it much.
If they just let Bear Sterns collapse instead of spreading the MBS/CDO “disease” all over the world damage would have been quite smaller.
The Big Short is also really good...it covers some of the more technical causes of the recession in a way people who don't work in the financial world can understand. I worked for Merrrill Lynch from 2001-2008...it was a scary time to be in the business.
I watch the scenes over and over again
I'm well aware of the fucking time, Sam, I'm telling you, you need to see this.
Chills.
The level of acting in this movie is mind-blowing! You feel it deep, as you're living through it!
Great writing. Very realistic. Outstanding movie.
This entire movie doesn’t even seem acted. Like there wasn’t a script
I did a search for related movies and found The Big Short and Too Big to Fail they are absolutely epic and totally on point with all of this
Too Big to Fail is great. I’ve watched it multiple times. The Big Short was honestly way too confusing to me. I’ve never seen this movie but I’m going to find it and watch the whole thing, it looks like such a great movie!
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A better analogy is this
'Margin Call' = at an individual bank (Goldman Sachs, whom was amongst the first to dump their MBS position, before the rest found out how toxic it was)
"The Big Short" : across multiple banks; and hedge funds, especially the short sellers; and also both the revolving door in and out of the SEC and the private sector, and that the Big Three ratings agencies tend to sell ratings if handed enough money ...
"Too Big to Fail": the American economy as the whole, and when secret meeting was held between the then Treasury Secretary to stop Lehmann Brothers from going bankrupt, which could set off a cataclysmic cascade. To me, the American economy was Ground Zero, as it was the 'Boom' that blew not only $5 Trillion off of it, but which sent a shock wave several times around the world. Like a huge earthquake, the aftershocks was still being felt, almost a decade later
"Meltdown": almost a movie length documentary about the whole thing, but not least the global shock wave, which affected entire countries, like Iceland, in a way not seen since the Great Crash of the 1930's, along with tent cities ...
Problem is, that kind of thing needs public spending to fix, but how much can any Administration borrow/spend, without increasing inflation ...
All three movies as a suite, completely tell the story of the 2008 Crash. You know people saw this coming, you realize how preventable this was and you get every reason why this happened before 2008, why it happened in 2008 and why it is ABSOLUTELY inevitable that this happens again in the future. Fantastic.
I would imagine if Seth knew he was going to be in a meeting in a few hours with his bosses, bosses, bosses boss ,who took the helicopter in, he wouldn't be drinking wine out of a paper bag.
Jarvis: "I think you need to get back here"
Tuld was smarter than Tony. He didn't lose another Superbot.
"It get's ugly in a hurry" what a brilliant line. I think that describes the current state of the world financial system when it finally crashes.
I give it 2 years at most before it all falls apart. And I mean Great Depression level or worse.
"Two more weeks. Itll end in two weeks," said the clown.
@@TheNightWatcher1385 this year. then QFS.
@@TheNightWatcher1385 surely any moment now 😂🤡 have you moved into the mountains yet to avoid the "crash"?
Every time this comes up as suggested, i watch again. So many great clips in this movie
Thanks another great upload. I love Sam's cluelessness when it looks at the chart.
You are welcome!
@Pangur Ban or a golden retriever
It's not cluelessness. It's "Get to the damn point." The damn point, of course, is a normally-jagged chart flat-lining. That's all you really need to know. But there is a deeper current, here, as pointed out by F.A. Hayek. This is why the market, everyone buying and selling everything, from the Mr. Tulds in the investment banks to you and me getting this can of soup not that one in the grocery store, is smarter than any Mr. Tuld. The Mr. Tulds in the world only have time for that one quick glance at the summary chart--and then they spend billions. They know a lot, and understand a lot, but everything they get is highly filtered. What Peter gives his managers, right up to Tuld, is about as direct as anything they ever get from anybody. Peter doesn't even have a personal axe to grind, as many intermediaries in business and government do. (It's been pointed out that the free market is the economic equivalent of evolution, a distributed information process where the necessary information is always known only to the private individuals making their own decisions as to how to use the resources available to them.)
Such a great and overlooked masterpiece..
Watching this GEM again and again. Flawless acting
I misunderstood this movie for a while. The “I don’t think that would be a good idea” scene in regard to Sam asking Will to email him sums up the entire movie perfectly. Everyone at the firm who’d been around for long enough knew this would happen, but as long as there wasn’t a paper trail they could claim plausible deniability to any accusations of negligence by outsiders/authorities. The second the new guy (Peter) filled in the blank (which Eric left there on purpose) he sent the entire firm into “cover your ass” mode as from then on there was a paper trail.
I wish we had a Eric n Peter at Bear Stearns and Kidder Peabody. A majority of Investment Banks sooner or later come to this point in their history.
I don’t think Eric left it on purpose. He just didn’t have time to finish it.
Or they could be watched by their competitors’ hackers that would leak the information
I don't think so, because they still needed to sell at some point. As Sam says to Jared in another scene, everyone will notice once the firm keeps on selling without buying anything. So no one would believe them saying they were not aware of selling trash at this point in time. However, they knew that one day things will get ugly but no one of them expected it to be that soon and therefore kept on going for the big profits. The work of Eric and Peter was crucial to cover the firms asses. Without them they would have ended up holding the bag because any other firm would be first to sell instead. The only thing they actively wanted to cover up was a trail leading to the upper management being actively involved in fraud for the last couple of months/years. This is why everyone of them gets fired up once someone mentions "we talked about this", because then the investigators could find a hard trace that way before the turmoil in the market there was active knowledge about the bad products they were selling for such an extended period of time.
No they covered their asses because the model projecting he did showed that once a certain volatility hits their MBS portfolio will snowball into a downfall and bankrupt the company.
2:00 I love that almost exasperated "Say we haven't found him yet." Like c'mon Seth, be honest in this situation because the dumpster fire has already started.
Sam is particularly annoyed with having to go back to the office at 11 pm. That is not so unusual in the finance industry. I think the movie is suggesting he is driving with his dead dog in the trunk, hence his reaction.
I love, love the way Bettany says "I don't think that would be a good idea."
Such an amazing movie. Love the whole drama of it. Some analyst whom nobody really pays attention to figures out a huge mess, sh't rolled up hill super quick, hour or so later he is talking directly with the CEO.
Hierarchical intelligence in play : Sam reverses Will's decision to let Sullivan search for Eric. He orders him to get Sullivan back.
Jared reverses Sam's approach to not sell everything, orders him to sell everything ASAP.
John Tuld bolldozes literally everyone (except Jared who talks solely in his interest)
My favorite aspect of this movie is how they use silence. 2:25 there's nothing but his footsteps.
Also did you notice when Jeremy Irons say he can no longer hear the music everything goes to absolute silence. Even the ambient sounds suddenly stop.
I love Seth as a sort of stand-in for the American public. At the beginning, he's just happy to be 'alive', and just wants to party with all the traders. When Peter the analyst discovers the problem, he's still swigging from the bottle and not taking it seriously. He figures, "Hey, it's just a glorified casino, right? It's not that serious."
He just does as he's told, interested almost solely in how much money the people around him make, even when beat traders like Wil are contemplating suicide. He gets excited that Tuld appears when it looks bad, sensing he will solve things (although, in reality, Tuld isn't going to save him, he'll save the firm). When these events are being discussed and things are starting to fall apart, he's not ignorant, he's in the room, but he has nothing to say and nobody even remembers what his name is.
Then, it dawns on him that things are bad. He asks if he's going to be fired, and Wil tells him that he almost certainly will, then lectures him about how hypocritical it is for the public to be worried about all this now when he'd spent all this time making sure they made a lot more money than they should. He ends up crying in a bathroom stall, hardly noticed by an uncaring Jared Cohen, the golden boy high-order guy, looks at him pleading for sympathy and telling him that this was all he ever wanted, and Cohen is completely disinterested. Though he's almost certainly going to be fired, his ultimate fate isn't known, last seen watching the final events play out.
Good observation. Most of us get on with our days but blind to what’s really happening in the world. Forget the financial crisis and talk about the pandemic for a second. Do you remember there was at least a month when China was blowing up and the rest of the world just ignored it? Many believed it won’t happen to them, it was just some far off places disaster. When some really bad shit is happening, there are actually plenty of clues, if you care to look.
Thanks for the entire movie narrative.. Geez
I think you're being a little harsh on him here. He is meant to be a trainee/graduate who just came into the company and industry. He has the least experience and is new to the whole corporate world. Therefore; he is the most expendable. If I was the kid, I would have threatened to leave and divulge information unless I got a payout.
At least he got paid a handsome amount on his way out!
23 year old men all over the Western World are like Seth, not just Americans. Hell, sex, and parties were all I cared about when I was that young
I like how each of the managers says,: “I don’t understand this, explain it to me in plain English”
Confirms the whole "jocks betting against each other who'd otherwise be at the OTB putting it all on #7" line
in reality they DO understand those things. But authors of the movie must also explain things to the viewer, so their explanations are pretty simplistic, vague and stripped from any specifics. In reality high-finance people know and understand what they do and what consequences it might bring, but... you dance to the music, dog eats dog etc, and some of them simply don't give a f*, they like the game.
@@DJRYGAR1 "They DO understand those things." Darn betcha. They also know how to play the social game of self-deprecation. Most of all, what they want to do is cut to the chase, to not waste a single second, because they know very expensive clocks are running, and when the bell sounds, the show's over. They want the "elevator pitch" the short sweet summary than can be delivered between floors.
4:26 'Or worse...' meaning Eric Dale may have committed suicide. This film was EXTREMELY realistic and I think well-researched.
Yes. And the truth is, some people really did commit suicide over this horrible recession we had in 2008. Because they lost so much money or, their job.
Or it could mean that Eric was talking to competition.
@@DJRYGAR1 No. That wasn't in the context.
@@rbr4115 that is the only thing thay care about. How is that not in context. Eric commiting suicide is eric taking his secrets to grave. For them it is GREAT not "worse"
The director JC Chandoor had a background in finance and his father said he would have made a really good trader, but he decided to go into filmmaking instead.
No phone, no e-mail code red ! "pauly hated phones , wouldn't have one in his house"
I miss spacey.. What a great actor
best movie ever.
Just picked up on this at 4:24
"He's probably crying in some fucking beer somewhere."
"Yeah, or worse."
The first hint that Eric Dale has the firm completely by the balls and could end them forever if he wanted to. I mean, imagine how tempting that would be to call up one of your hedge fund buddies and work out a deal. Eric tells them which CDS to lever up and buy overnight, which assets to start shorting. They do it over the next few hours in overnight liquidity pools, wait until markets open for other stuff. The firm's mortgages plummet in value before Sam can sell any. When the firm does sell, they start at 60 cents on the dollar and end at basically option value by the close. The hedge fund makes bank, a massive transfer of wealth from the firm's balance sheet to the hedge fund's. The firm is in bankruptcy protection that evening. I love how they didn't make this fear explicit. It's like a horror movie: something is scaring everyone and the audience isn't quite sure what it is. Lets your imagination run wild.
(Of course the investigation into what caused the crisis would identify this set of transactions, but Eric Dale might be safe if he used a burner to call his buddy. This movie is so much better than it got credit for).
I love that the fact that both this movie and The Big Short have a scene with strippers in it, lol.
And how much strippers make is a significant plot point, especially in The Big Short, because it turns out they're all investing in real estate.
"Its Will, he wants to know if we've found him yet. What do I say?"
Tell him to call Carmelo lol
Ive always thought that Carmelo's job title has nothing to do with finance ... 😎🤣😂🤣
@@michaelriddick7116 must be the enforcer for the company. Or maybe ex-mafia type of guy lol
@@testertester6814 yeah I'm thinking it's "Head of Executive Security" and his resume is full of military experience he can't talk about! :D
Carmelo is most likely the CSO of the firm. It's his duty to ensure the safety of company's assets. Personels, data and infrastructure. He should have records of employee's next of kins, cousins or parents address and phone numbers. He knows where to go look for Eric Dale if he wants to.
Since I've been in stocks I have come to love this movie as well as the big short and one scene from the 25th hour. We need more stock based movies.
Because you want to think it is fictional
Check out boiler room it's the best
Both Sam and Tuld both say "I can't read those things, just talk to me in plain english."
You can see Tuld sees Sam as someone who could be in that position but doesn't want that kind of responsibility.
Great filming, create characters, great GREAT Acting, but let's be honest with ourselves here....
The writing is absolutely incredible
He had a dead dog in his car this whole time. Brutal.
Love the dead monotone, "I dont think that would be a good idea."
Imagine if that email got intercepted whew boy
Financial institutions *must* keep all company communications (email, text) for a certain amount of time exactly for auditing reasons.
Finally figured these two things out. Eric Dale said, "Be careful", meaning don't leave a paper trail. Dale had already figured out the problem at that point. Next, Dale would have loved to see the company crash and burn since they fired him, but couldn't let it happen because they wouldn't have paid out his severance and his buddies still at the firm would've been screwed.
Nope, you only seeing from your own immature point of view ..Eric was a mature man who knew the knock on effect that would impact his family and friends and also those on the fringes of his social circle , so has no wish to see anything crash and burn .. 'Be careful' was not about a paper trail at all, you have totally misread the whole gig and therefore come to the wrong conclusion. it's ok, those of us who use logic and reasoning need f*ckwits like you to make us look good.
Also, one hundred and seventy six thousand dollars an hour....
"I don't think that that would be a good idea" Love that line
Thanks for this, when i most pressurized moments, i watch 3 movies in particular, Margin Call , Big Short and Interstellar, i watch them more than 15 times now,
Outstanding cast.
Will's, "What do I know?" line is repeated by Sam when he breaks the news to Jared and Sarah after Jared asks him whether he had seen the numbers that Peter Sullivan put out on the model. It's the common sarcastic response to anyone because they're not informed of the decisions beforehand.
Such a good movie!
thanks for uploading this. I use this to explain my job to others now haha
Wow this is a good movie!
Superb cast
"Email it to me....... I don't think that would be a very good idea" The penny drops 😉
Dec 29th 2022 this is a great movie ❤
The character Seth Bregman accurately describes the markets: "A bunch of glorified crack addicts really....they take that information, they pretend to understand it, and they bet it against some other Jack halfway around the world who, you know if he wasn't doing this he'd be at an OTB somewhere putting it all on number 7." Peter tries to tell him is more "complicated" than that, but later on Sam confirms Seth's assessment. After all the fancy terms, after all the pretty graphs, after all the jargon from people thinking they are discussing hard science, it's really just gambling with money. Mostly with money you don't have.
... or mostly money that wasn't/isn't yours to begin with, but, instead is kinda 'lent' to you, from, say, the guy in charge of a corporate pension fund, to increase the RoI of/for those whom paid into it ...
Very allegorical
this character was way more smart then people give gim credit for
True, but it is a highly sophisticated form of gambling.
Traders don’t gamble they make educated moves sometimes for a profit sometimes for a small loss. All we gotta be is smarter then the next fuck.
4:34 hit a hilarious tone in what should be a suspense building moment. I don't know if that was intended, but BRAVO!
Thank You!
You are welcome!
- we shut his phone off
- of course we did
So many great lines. Great film.
One junior (Sullivan) doing all the job, the other one beeing fired at the end but "it 's nothing personnal", and the two boomers managers making millions a year and unable to just understand the data shown to them.
"what are we looking at ?"
Best part of the best movie I have never seen.
Two and a half million was something before hank paulson!
You'd think that because Sullivan explained it to Emerson, you'd need not see another exposition more or less when he told Sam. Yet they did it, and hot damn did they do a fantastic job of the same explanation of whatever Peter told Will.
Not sure why this film is suddenly all over my video suggestions but I did watch it on Prime and it was very good.
Saved me the search, thank you champion
Just a note, but Sam had his dead dog in his trunk for most of this movie. He was going home to bury her when Will called and went to his former home to bury her at the end of the movie.
Seth knowing that what they do shouldn’t earn them that amount of money was great.
Soundtrack to this movie is excellent.
track id 4:41 in the backround?
Man New York works on such a different time frame. It literally never sleeps...especially if your young and got cash.
Outstanding. Better than Big short.
"Nice job by the way" best pronounced said quote ever.
they are equals to me. the comedy in the big short makes it different and a little more interesting
They’re pretty close but the big short maybe a tad better but I don’t know lol
Margin call for me, I like the high stakes drama that they created with this collection of actors. Simply amazing.
Margin Call showed how things imploded from a brokerage's standpoint.
The Big Short, showed how a bunch of mavericks capitalized on the banking implosion by netting billions on shorting the financials, then disappearing into the background, earning 15% in offshore accounts while the rest of the world burns.
I remember reading somewhere how someone estimated the number was probably somewhere around 800 billion. It really puts into perspective how little the 131 million loss is when Sam sells to merril lynch for 65 on the dollar during the fire sale
Very few weak links in this movie, but even so I think the chemistry between Will and Sam is the best part. There may be some harsh words occasionally, but they totally respect each other and trust the other one to do the best possible.
11:30 PM and there's standstill traffic in Manhattan. That's NYC for you, I guess...
pretty normal for midtown
Not just NYC bro...even Indian cities like Bangalore n Hyderabad have such traffic at midnight...depends upon areas...
@@ravikumarsingh5116 lol it's not a competition
@@LosOjosTristes Who said it is a competition??...😅 I was just saying it's not just NYC...
Here is a playlist for all of Margin Call clips uploaded so far:
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Awesome job Extractor. Love this film
Dec 29th I LOVE ❤️ THIS SCENE HE CALLS SAM SAM SAYS E
“” EMAIL MAIL IT TO ME “” CANT. “”I’m ON MY WAY “” THIS WAS SOME MOVIE. ❤😇
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Films such as this & The Big Short make me so relieved for my joining the military after high school instead of going to college or trade school; I had the most secure employment in the world when the recession hit. Hell I was overseas for more than half of it so I didn't really grasp how bad it was until I got out. Which of course I used the Post 9/11 GI Bill and was in school 46-48 weeks out of the year so received the housing allowance until after finishing and the economy was at full steam again. Not exactly Boomer luck but I was more fortunate than most of my generation where I came from.
Paul Bettany is just always so Paul Bettany in every movie he does 😂
At 5.40 there is a great bit of choreography where Zac's character walks behind Penn's setting up the switch positions in the car. Otherwise it would create the Crossing the Line effect that is usually actively avoided. Zac was on the left for this shot. Now he is on the right.
solid info thanks.
My senior IT manager couldn't even install their workstation or monitor. Not surprising.
Dec 17 th 2022 LOVE ❤️
This scene is underrated
11 at night? The work day's just started!
I like how the script structered. Sam is getting a pep talk from john in the end. But he doesnt buy it, peter buys it. We are seeing same incidents happen to different people in the movie. Brilliant
“I don’t think you want this emailed to you.”
Translation: this is bad. You don’t want to have a paper trail.
Paul Bettany nailed the accent and this role.
That is his ordinary English accent. Compare it to The Officemate Who Was An Hallucination (name forgotten) in A Beautiful Mind.
"Look at these people, wondering around with absolutely no idea what's about to happen"
🤔
Much like Neo driving around and looking at people wandering through the Matrix.
I love how they showed Sullivan' dislike towards the brash behavior of the immature 23 year old seth
Imagine being a literal rocket scientist with a Ph.D and you're getting paid as much as these snotty Ivy league kids. At least John and Sam recognized talent.
@@GamerTheTurtle absolutely