A Look Back At • Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords. (Analysis)
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- Analysis time, part DEUX.
Boy oh Boy, Star Wars sure is fun eh?
And people sure want to talk about it.
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Chris Avellone Conversation:
• Chris Avellone • KotOR...
In this video: STAR WARS! (Knights of the Old Republic 2).
KotOR2 released in the 6th generation of consoles (on PC and Xbox, sry Nintendo and Playstation) and made Star Wars gaming history.
Related content:
*N.S.
(Another video on this game)
• A Look Back At: KOTOR ...
*Core Ideas.
(Another video on this game)
• Why KOTOR 2 is Star Wa...
*Esfelectra.
(Philosophy of Kreia)
• The Philosophy of Krei...
*Lorerunner
(Another video on this game)
• Rumination Analysis on...
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*Chris Avellone.
*Obsidian Entertainment.
*Bioware.
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*George Lucas.
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*The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
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Can't wait for you to review KotOR 3, 4, 5 and 6!
*silently weeps*
There is no kotor 3 or...Oh, I see.
Weeps in corner
Well they continue the story in books and TOR...
Oh...
*weeps in the next corner*
Swtor Jedi Knight storyline - knights of the eternal throne and on is pretty much kotor 3, 4, 5 and 6 lmao
@@lochlanmerkel7144 Woah dude, you forgot one of the main rule of the KOTOR community - NEVER mention SWTOR unless you want angry fans to destroy you (I like SWTOR BTW).
*throws myself down the garbage disposal pit*
"... the best character in this extended franchise..."
Statement: Naturally I cannot expect a meatbag to understand true perfection.
Expletive: Dammit, master! I at least expect a bit more from you meatbags!
When you're right you're right
Love that
This game... it really stays with you once you've played it. I first played it 15 years ago, but replaying it as an adult I discovered so much nuance in the writing that went waaaaaay over my head as a teenager and I fell in love with it all over again. KOTOR 2 is proof to me that video games can indeed be considered art. I sincerly hope Mr. Avellone and the Obsidian crew from back then knows just how much people actually love this game.
Same here: as a teenager i was blown by the scope and themes of the game. I replayed it when i was 33 and man, what an experience. Not only i found the game even more appealing, but with the sith lords mod that recovers the uninplemented game data, the game took its final form and now is a masterpiece, both in storytelling and caharacter development, and its deconstruction of the force is probably the most interesting SW material out there.
This, and Shadow of the Colossus are the 2 games that have stuck with me the most since childhood, and I would say Shadow of the Colossus is another example of a video game that's art as well
Avellone has not been in Obsidian for a few years now, nor has Brian Mitsoda, the guy who's brain child was Mask Of the Betrayer. And Obsidian has been absorbed by microsoft, which can probably shed light as to why their latest game Outer Worlds is such a soulless husk with crappy story.
@@raifthemad George Ziets was the behind Mask of the Betrayer.
@@gronndar Damn my memory, checked and you are correct, for some reason I thought it was Mitsoda. My point still stands though, Ziets is also gone from Obsidian.
Ok now I remembered why I mixed them up, He was a big part of Bloodlines during Troika, and I kind of mixed those two games up.
I always thought that wanting to destroy the Force was supposed to be one possible conclusion Kreia reaches. KotoR 2 was planned to have multiple endings that were very different. And there are other plot threads set up throughout the game. If you go light side, Kreia will try to help you build a better Jedi Order that learns from the mistakes of the old. She also exposes Atris to prevent her from spreading corrupted Jedi teachings. We also know that there was a planned ending where Kreia dies and Atris becomes Darth Traya. But because they didn't have enough time to finish the game, they went with that ending.
One of Kreia's most important teachings is that every idea must be challenged. If anyone ever follows a philosophy without question and allows it to become dogma, it will lead to stagnation and death. Many of Kreia's schemes are her testing her ideas against the old teachings of the Jedi and the Sith. The Jedi Exile is so important to her because the Exile is the counter-point to the Force. The galaxy has only known of life with the Force, the Exile offers the chance of creating a new perspective, new ideas based on life without the Force.
I think that originally, Kreia was supposed to reach different conclusions about the Force based on decisions you made in the game. She may decide that the Force need to be destroyed, she may decide that there needs to be something to challenge the power of the Force, she may decide that there needs to be a new way of interacting with the Force.
Oh, what could have been
Even if they had proper dev time, a lot still would have been cut. This way of redeeming Kreia does seem like it would have been satisfying though, especially if she revealed that she was a Sith and you convinced her that the Jedi could be salvaged. There are bound to be stories and options that will be thought up in a creative mind and written down as possibilities, but simply can't be incorporated due to it not making a succinct enough story for a video game to tell.
Where did you get this information from?
There is an interesting dynamic that I feel was always a focus of exploration in most mythology, SW included, and the Kotor games perhaps most acutely - The idea that "what you own ends up owning you". Expressed most directly via the criminal organizations, and Sith, but also via the Jedi in the prequel trilogy.
What I find compelling about Kreia is that she seems to be the vehicle for the second verse of this idea - The idea that one becomes whatever they define themselves in opposition to. By defining herself, directly and completely, in opposition to "the force", she becomes a manifestation of the very aspects of that "entity" which she so abhors. As such, she may be even more profoundly tragic than Scion. I find myself wondering if, for all her wisdom, she ever saw that she became the expression of the detached, manipulative, control which she so detests.
Obsidian entertainment has the best writing that I've ever seen in a video game. New Vegas and Kotor 2 were on a whole other level
@griffith did nothing wrong can't trust anyone who thinks griffith was in the right
@griffith did nothing wrong maybe in terms of gameplay, there was a ton of great dialogue in New Vegas though. Perhaps not quite on the level of Kotor 2, but still pretty damn good.
@@JustSkram never have I awaited the death of somebody as much as I await his
Mask of the Betrayer, a NWN2 expansion pack had a great story as well, at the time it was compared to PS:T by many. Sadly people responsible for that writing have at least mostly left Obsidian by now. Avellone and Mitsoda, gone for years. Also now Obsidian is gobbled up by Microsoft. Have a look at the atrocious abortion called Outer Worlds.
@@raifthemad Outer world was several steps down but it had nothing to do with m$
About that droid planet: with the restored content mod, you can actually play through it, and indeed, your droid companions get their time, but you can tell it was never really finished as that whole planet is a slog to wade through.
Ye, its just too large and empty
It needs some trimming otherwise it feels like a much longer Telos and I’m sure no one wants that.
Yeah, they just restored the content but there is a reason it was cut. I think they should go ahead and just fill it up.
Obsidian: Glitchy game at first, but unparalled story telling.
Obsidian + Fans = MASTERPIECE
KOTOR 2 and New Vegas. Unfinished, Glitchy, yet Masterful Story Telling that puts it on the Tops of many lists.
@@egeorgiades93 two of my favorite games of all time and definitely my favorite entry of each of their respective franchises. I mean, I’ve played over a thousand hours of skyrim, if it’s anything I can tolerate it’s bugs.
@@varasatoshi3961 Indeed. They are the Prime Example of games that stay good even with the Bug.
KOTOR is how i got into Star Wars
Same
Yup
The Lord of Pain - Darth Sion
The Lord of Hunger - Darth Nihilus
The Lady of Betrayal - Darth MF Traya
But then you realize the real sith triumvirate was lead by the Exile and not Traya. 😮
wow you butchered those names
The Lord of Memes - Palpatine
@@boynextdoor1951 sorry was drunk when I made that comment
@fuuk yu I mean he was a broken used POS. Lmao
Mechanics-wise, one of the best attempts in gaming so far to transfer D&D combat rules to look as fluid as possible. I really loved that.
Yeah people forget how revolutionaryl the D&d inspired combat mechanics have been and how influential KOTOR has been on other iconic rpgs since
Ah, if only Obsidian had been allowed to complete the game according to their vision. The restored content mod helps a lot in fixing the broken mess the game was forcibly released as, though I can't help but wonder what it could have been if Obsidian were given the time they needed to finish it, and moreover, given the chance to write KOTOR 3.
One of the writers mentioned their plan for Kotor 3 involved you hunting down sith lords while learning from a Yoda like master only the twist was your master turns out to be a Sith Lord and he had used you to get rid of his rivals and also some of the Sith you fought were actualy Jedi so you would have to take him down in the end and redem yourself
@@demi-fiendoftime3825 Another version I heard was that the Sith Lords were spider like creatures, really old and sort of lovecraftian. Not sure how obsidian would pull that one off though. Depends on what exactly they'd do with them.
@@dreadrath Heard the evil Yoda was going to be one of those in disgusie.
Demi-Fiend of Time that’s such a dope idea
@@GlitteringToothpaste I KNOW RIGHT!!!!
I thought that the Peragus mining facility was a stroke of genius. I wish that they had been given the time to really perfect the game.
Genius? Why? Don't get me wrong, I like it. It's almost a horror section. Just don't get why you say that.
@@Walamonga1313 It added a lot of depth and mystery to the story.
@@Walamonga1313 it set a lot of the tone of the story as you go trough it, also if you pay attention you can realize that the story of the miners parallel a lot of the Exile story trough the game
@@oliviawilliams6204 How do the miners parallel the story of the exile? That's an interesting idea I will keep in mind next time I play it
@@The17Peacekeeper I can't find the video explaining it again. But in short it mirror how the exile is hunted and betrayed trough the game
My favorite character will always be HK-47.
Brian Kilgore thanks meatbag
Is there anyone that you need killed, master?
Statement: That is good news, Master.
Best Star wars story ever made!
Yes!
The most interesting villains often make for the best story. I could mention Jon Irenicus.
And by a good margin
WTF are you talking about? What story? There wasn't one which is why the inconsequential events of this game were largely ignored in TOR.
@@rickyandreou Nice Bait there fella.
Love how Brain Damage was slipped in during the kreia discussion
A saxophone jazz version none the less
*sees this video*
*starts new game on Kotor 2 for the 24th time*
I haven't got it 😭
@@ssesuper1140 buy it from the xbox store bro. Think it's about 7-8.99. Doesn't have the mods though unfortunately
@@rantradio ok
No... you're still missing a lens...
I love killing that weasel Joran for the final lightsaber part.
This game stole my life ,one of my favorite games of all time.
I just finished the game 2 hours ago. This was an excellent analysis of the game. Kreia is the definitely the most interesting Star Wars character ever and I think it’ll be tough for anyone to top her.
Thrawn. Dont get me wrong, Treya is in top 5 but Thrawn was a normal dude without force powers and almost brought the galaxy to its knees. While a little shallower than Treyas deep dive nature, Thrawn could pull victory IN a defeat and could have the New Republic reacting to his tune without even knowing it
The Jedi Exile is my favorite SW character.
Put some RESPECK on Meetra's name lol
Wish the Revan novel had kept true to her established abilities. Her being overwhelmed by a wound in the force was so lame.
@@zeroattentiongaming820 And that is why that absurd novel and SWTOR version of Revan don t exist for many of us. In my SW universe, the Exile still has no name and the finaly destiny of Revan is a story still untold.
@@lumsais3832 Ya everything TOR did with Revan was just disappointing. Not sure who got shafted harder between him and the Exile.
@@rantradio To me the exile will always be a male with the name Kalin Surik.
They should never have tried to make KOTOR into a MMO, it just wasn't meant to be something like that. If they'd stuck with making single player RPG's the series wouldn't have died. This series had so much god damn potential and they squandered it in the MMO fever of the early 2000's.
Just think about the 100s of millions of dollars wasted chasing World of Warcraft.
That's not why KOTOR died
Love your work. The attention to detail, excellent writing, quality voice over, and specificity in editing. Thank you for sharing your work and thoughts.
In spite of the flaws, this has to be one of the greatest sequels ever!
I have been a fan of Star wars ever since 1997 when I was 4, even love ep 3 to death, 1 and 2 not so much, watched all the cone wars episodes, read many comics and books, I think the revenge of the sith novelization is the best novel in the series, but just played both kotor game only 2 and a half years ago, in fact i played SWTOR first and I liked it, but when I played Kotor 1 it became by far the best star wars video game story and on par with the original trilogy to my eyes, and then I play Kotor 2....and I am met with the pinnacle of what star wars can become, I was in AWE, the game was like made for someone like me, Kreia is like the combination of all the things like and the best version of it, the best mentor, the best antagonist and the best protagonist, ( I see her as the co protagonist of the game ) all at the same time, it was ludacris, man I love that old hag the way I dont love any other fictional characters, and just like you said on your vid, the rest of the companions, some of them like Atton are pretty great, but they live on the shadow of kreia mostly jajaja.
Those cone wars were thrilling
Am I the only person that didn’t use Kreia at all and only talked to her on the Ebon Hawk? Handmaiden was a must, and I switched out long range members.
You gain more XP when using Kreia. Also, since my favorite is to play light sided female, I give my PC all the light side buffs (master valor, speed, battle meditation etc) and I combine these buffs with the dark side offensive powers that I give Kreia. Force scream or plague + master battle med and valor in combat is an absolutely deadly combo. Since I build Kreia to have very high wisdom and she has no Force point penalty to using dark side powers, I found I don't even need to give her a weapon, as she just sits back and dominates with force powers. In short, Kreia is awesome.
Exactly the same here. Going into KotOR2, I didn't know how "important" Kreia was to the themes of the story. She joined on some quests, but mostly I switched out companions as wanted (HK-47, Atton, Handmaiden, Cabderous...). It actually worked really well, since the cut scenes here & there of Kreia meeting with various characters always felt like it happened while I thought she was on the ship. I'll replay the game someday and bring her along for a proper playthrough.
@Zack Folkestad I never really liked the Kreia character. To me it didn't matter what choice you made, to her it was always wrong and seemed so contradictory to what she was trying to teach. I kept her out of party when I had more than just her and Atton to choose from.
Kreia is terrible off ship
@@SuperJoshdave It's ironic that people love her and her philosophies when she talks about 'falling' and admits at the end she's fallen the most.
It's both awkward and cool that this video made me realize Kreia's views on the force are basically my views on theology.
Kreia is to the force as
Jerusalem is to her God.
It’s like poetry, they rhyme
This presentation was an absolute blast. Thank you very much for covering KotOR I and II!! I will revisit those games over the Christmas Holidays. Greetings from Germany!
Bravo. Well Done. I Thoroughly Enjoyed This Video. KOTOR 1 & 2 are THE GREATEST Video Games I have EVER Played. Both of those games are Very Special to me and my brother.
kotor 2 is probably my fav video game story. and i feel the same way that its my fav bit of star wars there's ever been
Such a great video. Thank you for your dedication to this story and our fandom. It’s all appreciated.
I played his game for years before I knew about the restored content mod. And, despite the loads of plot holes, broken quests, and garbled mess the story was in some sections, I've always loved it. Even though I've never been able to comprehend Kreia's mindset, despite now watching several very in-depth expositions of Kreia's mindset.
I think the greatest failing that both KOTORs fall prey to is trying to have a nuanced opinion of the clash of Jedi, Sith, and other factions in the galaxy... wrapped up inside a very constrictive morality system. There are only ever really two options without that much nuance at all... That said, in my most recent playthrough, I actually did the whole game while staying within the grey. And I did it without coming off as a morally bipolar maniac. Best playthrough ever.
I wish you could be neutral and not be severely penalized for it. There should be certain powers for neutral alignments only.
I very much enjoyed your exploration of the philosophy behind the game and the motivations of the characters. Very thoughtful, and insightful. Thanks.
Brilliant videos, very in-depth, keep it up!
Wow. Your breakdown of the story was amazing! Great video
Great Review man! Thoroughly enjoyed this
Dont mind me, im just fan boying on this game
Recently replayed these games after having done so about 10 years ago on Xbox. I definitely appreciate more of the games now since I'm older. They still held up pretty solidly and the mods only added to that. I agree with your views on character interactions and bonds between both games. More often than not, I'd always have at least one force user and maybe Mission (in the first) or T3 (in the second). It just became too beneficial to have force users. Though, when you were presented with stories from the other characters, it really did add value to their existence.
All in all, your videos are probably some of the only ones that I can sit through start to finish and enjoy every second of it. You always do a good job!
This was brilliant, I could listen to you all day. As much as I’d love for a kotor 3... from what I’ve seen in film and the gaming industry in recent years I believe that it’s best just to leave it alone.
Your grasp of philosophy really highlights this review. Well done
This has been a pleasure to listen to! Very satisfying. Fingers crossed for a sequel.
Great analysis, kudos.
Still the most underrated channel on CZcams dot com. Honesty get super excited whenever you upload.
Keep it up!
Glad to hear this :)
That's not a credible statement. It's underrated but get a clue.
Great content dude !
Thanks for another great analysis!
glad you enjoyed.
@ 26:38 To Boba Fett's credit, he *was* drunk in the movie, according to Robot Chicken. It explains a lot if you pretend it's canon.
Subbed! Great video by the way.
My favorite part of KOTOR 2, other than when Kreia admits that she hates the Force, is that she LOVES the Jedi Exile. In the whole game, everyone starts fawning over you because you seem to enchant everyone you meet. You DO suck people towards yourself, not in a Mary Sue way, but because you don't listen to the Force and attract people to you by the person you are. Your companions love you, Darth Sion loves you, and who knows, maybe Nihilus loved you too although you couldn't hear what he was saying. And then KREIA, our title villain, is unable to resist loving you too. It was just crazy to hear that come from her mouth so openly. It's like if Palpatine admitted that he loved Luke at the very end for how brave and strong he was. No one can resist who you are, if it's you who are pulling people in, and not "fate." To let go of the Force is to become who you truly are.
I love these games. I'm replaying both of them now. Still trying to get the taste of Rise of Kathleen Kennedy and her agenda out of my mouth. I would love a 3rd game but after all this time it may be too too late, it just wouldn't be the same.
I love the image you created for the Chris Avellone interview video. Bender talking to God, Aesir talking to Avellone, very clever image conveying your high praise for Avellone.
Fantastic video 🙌
I feel like you adequately knocked out everything that wasn’t explained by “No name’s” video on the force and Star Wars. Nice work bud 👌🏾
Sion is Lord of Pain, and pain is rooted in attachment, with Sith being the ultimate embodiment of selfishness. Sion is I think better meant to show how selfishness and the dark side causes suffering and ironically the suffering of the self, though his name also alludes to the fact that he suffers because he wants what he can’t have - approval and power. He’s a dramatic foil to the Exile, in the sense that he thinks in ways the canon Exile doesn’t or wouldn’t.
Sion is pretty cool but Nihilus will always be the most badass sith lord
Excellent job on this video. I just played KOTOR 2 recently and it was an amazing experience. I only wish I could take my exile on further adventures.
6:00 Not much else? Tons of new powers, feats, weapons, armor, customization items for weapons/armor, the influence system, and allowing companions to become Jedi, just of the top of my head.
I love how people still talk of this game and not entirely just echo each others' talking points. It is a testament to the depth of the story. I disagree that if there were to be just one Star Wars story, this would be it. It's still a deconstruction and doesn't work in vacuum. As for KotOR 3, I'm not that sure I would even want this at this point, considering the track record of people who hold the license. There's also the MMO and books muddying that canon and dividing the fanbase. A remaster of 1 and 2 that'd also restore the 2 to all its intended glory would be a safer bet. The restoration mod is amazing, but there is only so much the modders can do.
Yup. I'd second that.
A fully remastered boxset of 1&2 with All its missing content I'd happily pay for for.
Beautiful work!! You have a new subscriber :)
@31.00 "darth ndgshsjs is another cautionary tale.." XD
Great video! I love this game!!!!
Great work, thank you
It makes me happy every time i see people who really get KotOR 2 as deeply as it is. It is way too overlooked game and a story. The moment when i really understood the story of this masterpiece just took me breathless.
good thing i saw kreia more as a motherly figure or the ending would be uncomfortable
So glad to see this gem of a game get some love by many youtubers lately. It is truly the peak of anything related to Star Wars and the sad part is that most of the fandom don't even knows the game exist.
I always just shrugged Kreia off as a kid because it was obvious she was a "bad guy". Now, I think her philosophy just seems far too nebulous for anyone but her to understand.
While all of the non-droid characters were highly compelling and dynamic, I found Bao-dur on paper to be exceptional. Due to the Iridorian-Iridonian script error he's supposed to be the same as the bloodthirsty mercenary on Manaan (they also speak with the same restrained cadence), but Malachor V was so horrific it left him a quiet, shell-shocked, broken mess. I think he needed some main screen time to really shine, but partying with him and Mandalore were some of the most interesting interactions in the game - the exile's former worst enemy and former closest partner.
Iridonian Iridonian script error?
Knights of the Old Republic II: better known as *Welcome Back, KOTOR.*
HeeHeeHeeSnort...[wipes tear]...aw, that just never gets old.
@@theloreaxe My brother thought it was pretty funny when I thunk it up. Ah, back when it came out, and the world was still green.
Glad you like it.
Use with caution; it can date you.
euhm, the reason for going to telos after peragus is because the ebon hawks astronavigational charts are voice locked (implied to be revans voice lock, if not outright said so). telos is also the only destination in the peragus charts since peragus fuel ships only went to telos.
As far as sequels go, KOTOR II, even in its unfinished state (including all the benefits the Restored Content mod gives you), was a fucking dream and a phenomenal game in its own right. Loved your videos on the two KOTOR games and the conversation you had with Chris Avellone. Just a damn shame it was a giant set-up for the KOTOR III that never got made and that we will never get, only having our headcanons to resort to since the Revan novel and SWOTR were awful and I reject them as conclusions and continuations of anything to do with these games. Much like PS: T, I find that one of the reasons I love this game a lot is because of how satisfying and rewarding it is to return to them after a given period of time has passed, attaining a new perspective and finding you now have different answers to the same questions you were asked when you last played them. It's one of the things that truly defines a great work of art and KOTOR II is definitely one of my favorite games of all time. I like how important the core theme of trauma it is to the game, it makes it really unique, especially when talking about Star Wars media.
I can never get the music of this game out of my head; especially the Jedi theme for it. So somber, yet there is a glimmer of hope. The way it plays out at the end of the game is just..so right. It's a bittersweet ending, and rightly so. And it remains one of my all-time favorite games to this day. I can pick it up and never get bored with it. There are few games out there that can do that these days.
i wish we got more of darth nilihus and sion, i really wish we got more of everything tbh
WoW.... this is one of the best videos I have ever watched.... hell of a job you did, I'm greatly impressed.
Greek accent ?
Thanks, Icelandic.
Vergere from the old Legend canon had strong Kreia similarity. Particularly before she was retcon as a Sith
I love this game. as I commented on your video of Kotor 1, this game has better gameplay while the story is better in the first one. My favorite level in the game is when we get to play as HK-47 in the HK factory level, that is so much fun. it was cut out of the original release, but the restoed mod put it back in.
Back when I first played this game I couldn't remember Kelly Hu's name, I thought "I've heard that voice before a few times" I can't really imagine Vias marr having any other voice now. But Kristoffer Tabori has the best voice ever, he voices HK-47 and 50.
That Pink Floyd cover for THAT part if the analysis gave me chills.
"The lunatic, is on the grass"
A bit of a pondering thought, Kreia's ultimate truth, was ignorance. Life and the force are two sides of the same coin, people having separation from it, or not being sensitive to it, wouldn't make it go away. People simply wouldn't be able to blame it for their own actions. or attempt to appease it's supposed in vain insignificance of mortal men. All the cruelty and suffering of the world would remain.
Disney would never have the balls to do it....but an adaptation of KOTOR I or II would be the best route for a compelling story and fresher star wars content.
Awesome
I have played this game three times maybe four, and the ending still makes no sense to me. It feels like I fall asleep and wake up at the ending not knowing how I got there.
Also I'd love to see you tackle Jade empire!
I.m.o. Kotor 2 is the best Star Wars ever written. It's such a shame that Kotor 3 wasn't made 😢.
I have seen many videos regarding Kreia, but this is the first one that actively promotes well documented evidence to have her constantly on my team. I typically know what I want from a playthrough, and her predictable jabs at the simplest choice makes her less than ideal for my decision making, but for my next playthrough, she will be a core element, for reason of outlook she brings to my way of exploring the moral outcomes.
Wonderful video essay to one of the most fascinating games out there; writing and atmosphere is just that good, and gameplay still holds up long time after. Just playing it right now, lightsabers as fun as they used to be. Just a masterpiece, flawed yes but still a milestone. Agree with everybody wanting KotOR 3.
I recently redownloaded this off GOG. slap on ultra-hd texture mods and just.. become one with the game once more.
kotor 2 has and will always be one of the best star wars game I've ever played. I only wish it was a completed game
Kotor 2 est one the best game ever made not just star war, its a fucking masterpeace
It's funny how coincidence works. I'm getting the game ready for my yearly playthrough and while I'm waiting on downloads I stumbled across this video. Great work on this by the way, you have certainly earned my sub!
All valid criticisms. In spite of the arguably rougher opening, I still enjoy replaying kotor 2 much more than kotor 1.
I think you gave Kraya a very altruistic motivation. I never got the impression she was moved to stop the suffering of others. I interpreted her very differently. Do you remember her speech about the beggar on Narshadar? Where she insinuates that any action may cause undo suffering and thus attempting to aid others is ultimately pointless? She is not saying that helping the begger is evil, she is saying there is no good and evil.
Ultimately do not believe she thinks the Force is evil, she made it fairly clear she is looking beyind good and evil (Her philosophy seems directly inspired by Neitzsche). The Jedi and Sith concern them selves with good and evil and are blinded by that in Krayas eyes. She is concerned with power. The Force has power over her and she hates it for that. She does not wish to be ruled over by the Jedi, or the Sith and certainly not the Force. She wishes to be free and the price of that freedom is irrelevant. She wishes to be an Übermensch and can not be while controled by an out side force.
For the Record, I am no saying she is correct, I am saying this is what she believes. Frankly I still have a hard time seeing the player character as a living threat to the force. The player not only continuously grows stronger in the Force but awakens it in others. If we accept what the Jedi council members said as absolutely true with out question then we are the Death of the force, but if we accept what the Jedi council said with out question then we learned absolutely nothing from Kraya.
Ultimately I do not thing Kraya was neutral in the force, at all. As much as she wanted to be free of the Forces influence her hatred made her a tool of the dark side. Her path was entirely self destructive, she wishes to be free of the Force and then what? Be a blind old woman on a dead world? Can life even exist in the Star Wars universe with out the Force? Does Kraya even know or care if it can? She would be as free as man who locked himself in a cage and threw away the key. Ironically the only form of freedom is to embrace the light side of the Force. A Purpose in life is not a cage. Refuse any restraints on your self and you are ironically restraining yourself. Choosing the Path you wish is liberating even if it restrains you from every other path.
Excellent
this game fills me with a terrible sadness, of a time long past. I bought Kotor 1 and 2 at best buy when they were new, i was about 20 years old then.
This is in forever will be Star Wars in the highest form of writing storytelling and character development. This is the single greatest entry in the Star Wars franchise and will never be topped. Unless a potential remaster/remake is made but that will never happen thanks Disney.
The restored content for KOTOR2 is fantastic with one MASSIVE exception - M4-78 is just a painful experience to play and should have never been restored.
It's so buggy
I love the combat in these games
well, after I give everyone extra health and force so the battles last more than two seconds per enemy
Why does everyone hate Peragus. I loved how the System Shock/Marie Celeste/Alien vibe it brought. Something has gone horribly wrong. You're all alone, cut off from help, the force and there is this constant sense of being watched. Everything seems dead and the tension builds and increases along with the dread, then there is an epic escape with a homicidal maniac on your tale. It is an excellent opening.
THIS, I never realized the facility was so disliked. The grisly tension of being stranded and stalked by what looks like a zombie sith is something you can’t get in any Star Wars canon. Horror should play some part as the sw galaxy can be a very dark and scary place at times. It’s the courage to stray from our expectations of what so characteristically is Star Wars, that produces some of its best fiction.
TLDR- Star Wars is cool when it has mystery and tension, doesn’t always have to be about red vs blue
nice video
I remember this game, and played it without any mods, and it ran fine. I liked the added creations and combat interface.
Love your videos! Can you please analyze Dino Crisis 1 and 2?
Doing my part to appease the youtube bot gods
Outstanding job! There needs to be a kotor 3. Haven't been into gaming since this series. But I would buy whatever console kotor 3 belonged to.
I'm still waiting for them to port kotor 2 to mobile so I can play it
The story of KOTOR 3 was incorporated into SWTOR, along with additional information in different books based in that era.
...and then it was explained that Revan was actually possessed by the hidden Sith Emperor Vitiate. The Exile, Meetra Surik, died easily after being stabbed in the back by a Sith Lord named Scourge, and Revan was imprisoned for 300 years, before being freed and going on a mad rampage with the Revanites, attempting to wipe out all life on Yavin IV in order to re-summon Vitiate so that he could kill him. What a complete waste.
Yeah, I didn't like the Drew Karpyshyn tOR tie-in book either.
I maintain that a good team could just straight up do a KotOR 3 and it'd work.
Almost like KOTOR 2 proved this brand could grow up. Too bad the next flagship series is TCW2008: and we revert right back to 4-12 year old entertainment. And here we sit.
Why does nobody give Obsidian their time? First Lucas Arts and then Bethesda. Just imagine the games if they got an much time as they wanted
There is a level cap, the new cap was 50, but you are in general correct that it was an excellent game. I wondered why it was released before it was done so that info was definitely new for me!