Natlan's Dragons & the Truth Behind The Descenders | Genshin Impact Theory
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- The mystery behind the Four Descenders of Genshin Impact has been one that captivated many for so long. However, following the release of Fontaine’s Act V Archon Quest, Masquerade of the Guilty, I think I have enough information to solve the secret behind the Primordial One and the Descenders… And the answer starts with the dragons of Natlan.
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Timestamps:-
Elves or… Dragons? (0:00)
The Gnostic Chorus and the Sun (3:28)
The Cycles of Destruction and Rebirth (5:40)
Mesoamerican Creation Myths (8:59)
What the Dragons of Natlan tell us about the Primordial One (11:52)
The Four Descenders (14:10)
The Vidyadhara (21:07)
Who is the Primordial One? (29:25)
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Spoiler Warnings:-
Fontaine Archon Questline (Primarily Masquerade of the Guilty)
Anything from Honkai Impact 3rd is fair game
Companion Mission: The Dragon Returns Home
World Quest: In the Wake of Narcissus
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I will leave any notes here:-
1. Dainsleif's Element consists of 7 unknown symbols. Likely defiled versions of the Seven Elements that were taken from him when his divnity was separated from body and soul.
2. Originally, I went into detail regarding the historical origins of the "Root Cycle". However, I later decided to cut it out of the video because it was frankly a waste of time.
The only thing worth noting is that Theosophists believe in a central Solar Diety for every Solar System that is called "The Logos" under which there are Seven Ministers for every planet.
3. Buer is an exception to this theory. I will talk about it in a separate video.
All good but why are they only Mesoamerican?
And Wiracocha (Inca)?
Just wanted to say and this could either mean nothing or be a mistranslation, but in the quest "The Golden Apple Vacation Returns!", Venti refers to Alice and Klee as:
"A mother and daughter, both with long elf ears and the most amazingly adorable personalities"
There was also Tsumi in the Three Realms Gateway Offering event, who may or may not have been half snake or half vishap. I honestly don't remember what the reveal or twist was at the end of that, but i do remember she was hiding her eyes to hide that they were reptilian.
that means his divinity was broken into pieces for creating the gnosis as we see today and tsaritza is trying to reassemble him, perhaps she was his lover
WAIT!!! Your theory is so good, that I don’t think even you realize how good it is. This explains why the Primordial One REALLY hates when other Gods make humans. The Humans that he and the Shade of Life created have his own blood, therefore, The Heavenly Principles can control them and CURSE THEM into Hilichurls at will. But humans who do not have the Primordial One’s DNA are outside of its control.
Hell yes this makes me so happy for Furina
@@starpeep5769 furina also has a vision from neuvillette so none of that celestia binding fate stuff for her 🙏🏻
@@anny8720is it specified in her vision story? I don't have Furina so idk
its mentioned in nuvi's story @@Orion_TheyThem
Also that's why we portray the third descender as "dead". As Aranaras said, in this world, if someone loses their memories they're considered as dead.
And I like to think that the REMAINS Of the Third Descender / Gnosis is the contains memory of the Third Descender.
Paimon?
bro just went
"Dainslief is the third descender. This isn't a prediction, this is a spoiler" 😂
Now that I think about it, Klee's love for destruction is similar to that of Elynas. Neither of them understand that it's wrong, but they do know that they don't want to make people sad.
Good point, this is interesting. However, it is worth mentioning that Elynas's mindset is due to him being an Abyss creature, not a dragon. Neuvillette and Dvalin are dragons and they are perfectly peaceful with humans.
@@DragonMJEOh right I forgot about that!
What if Klee is the destruction Albedo will have to face in the future? Also if Klee is a dragon does that mean Alice is as well? If dragons reincarnate like in HSR, maybe Alice isn't even Klee's real mom. With her connection to Gold who makes dragons out of alchemy, maybe Klee is another product of her Primordial Human Projects?
The Hexenzirkel channel mutes the idea/possibility that there are multiple dragon races, not just elemental vishaps but ones from other worlds and spaces. In an attempt to explain Neuvillette's lines about the Melusine being related to dragons.
"A snake is just a really shitty version of a dragon" had me actually laughing out loud omg 😂
it's also confirmed that the Goddess of Flowers was a Seele that didn't lose her form, so Dain's dialogue about "she too loved these flowers" is even more of a nod that he's the traveler from afar that fell in love with a Seele
dainsleif is king deshret??
@@aoliya107 No, I don't think so ahah. I think it's just a nod to it, as the Goddess of Flowers was a seelie, and the seelie in the story that fell in love with the trabeler from afar was also seelie royalty. So that (along with everything else) makes his focus on flowers in his dialogue a bit more of an easter egg i think.
but isn't the whole point of the travail that Dain is talking about Lumine? The flowers shown in the trailer are the Inteyvat flowers Lumine carries, so it stands to reason that Dain has at no point ever suggested he was in love with a Seelie.
@@AnimatingDreamsI mean in that case if you choose lumine as your mc the story won't make any sense
@@Ingydar_ I have a feel the travail was made with Aether as the mc in mind, in fact the flower Lumine carries is nowhere to be found on Aether. If the story was truly detached from the siblings' identities both of them would carry an inteyvat flower with them. Unless at some point we get introduced to a female character that has given Lumine the flowers the logical assumption is that he's talking about Lumine. At the end of the day anything is possible with how hoyo tends to retcon a lot of stuff on the fly
It is indeed weird that the Travail trailer makes it sound like Dainsleif is our final enemy. I never thought about it this way before and tbh, I agree with your take. However, I doubt people collectively are going to stand behind it due to how wild it is. It is really difficult for someone who saw Dainsleif as a human throughout the game to think that he is a Descender.
It's not so wild once you think about it. If he really is the 3rd, then it makes sense why he has so little memories and power. Maybe it wasn't the physical remains of the 3rd that created the gnoses, but all of his divinity/power. Which is why he might have failed in his mission, the same mission Aether will have to finish. Idk man
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I think at the end dainsleif regains all his lost power , and fight end of story aether
@@rexlapis1075 Are you saying this on the basis that Dain is the 3rd and that his remains are in the 7 gnoses? If so, then that would make sense if the Tsaritsa is collecting them for this exact purpose.
One thing I think is confusing me now is his title of "Bough Keeper". If this title has to do with Irminsul and he's a descender, how is he so tied to it? Would the answer to this question be the answer to why Lumine is in the records?
@@lakitaharry9715 There is an answer to your question and it actually semi-confirms that he IS the Third Descender (Prince of Light). Sadly, the answer is a MAJOR spoiler for something that is currently unreleased in the Game. So I cannot say it yet.
Skirk never did say the Third Descender is dead. Neuvillete asked when they died, rightfully assuming remains = dead, but Skirk was never told the details. So perhaps they really arent dead.
When I first looked at the Vidyadharas and heard of the "long life species" term, I legit cooked that Alice was one of them and a Nameless who got in Teyvat through the Astral Express because of her message to Klee in the GAA. That'd explain why she's always traveling, never to be found and has access to alien technologies/knowledgeable, etc. She's probably not a Natlanian dragon but looks like them just enough to go unnoticed. Glad to hear someone mentioning Vidyadhara ears in their theory. Thank you for the meal 🙏
BRO HATH COOKED AND THE DINNER IS SERVED, LET THE FEAST COMMENCE
i love how with fontaine release genshin lore community just descended straight into the madness mode
DESCENDED
It makes me think about the fact that traveler never asked Nahida about information on Dainsleif or his information in Irminsul. Or even the other Archons
the way your videos just simply....make so much sense, is just baffling, you are most certainly the best genshin loretuber out there, and i think you genuinly have figured out this game with this video, i knew that the traveller being the 4th decender and us currently being in the 4th samsara couldnt be a mere coincidence and that the initiation of a samsara starts when a descender arrives, but i wasnt confident enough to belive in that theory myself until you said the same lol
Yay and i am happy and furina will become divine again hopefully she doesnt end up with dainsleif she will save the world without dying hopefully
I really really like seeing the shades as kaslanas and the primordial one as kevin himself. That would make me extremely happy because honestly it fits so well? Especially with what welt said in star rail how the same people tend to share similar fates in different universes: kevin the finality, and kevin the usurper :D
Ive only just defeated Svarog in HSR, so i dont know if she has or hasnt yet, but i suppose this means Himeko will die in HSR at some point. And if Pyro Archon is in fact a Himeko, she too will die.
Primordial One is an androgid, so I don't think so. Although this is possible if the PO just has a similar color palette to Kevin, but they will look very different. And no, the shadows are not Kaslanas, its only the shadow of space, we saw the statue of Istarot (Shadow of Time) and she looks like another character from honkai, more precisely like that character from honkai who is a nun and who is compared to the welkin lady and vice versa (don't remember her name)
aponia, but actually istaroths statue shares resemblance to a lot of characters since alll we have to go by is the hairstyle, as for the shades being kianas, we know herrscher of the void is the sustainer, she also has a time runner battlesuit which obviously has a lot of time related features. other than that, we have battlesuits like herrscher of finality, flamescion, void drifter, divine prayer, and so on that could possibly have ties to the shades. although im unsure if they'd make all the shades kiana expys. i always thought the primoridal one would be herrscher of finality and her shades would be expys of the other herrschers since in hi3 all herrschers are a minor percentage of the herrscher of finalitys power reflected on earth@@iosis9324
Dude youre INSANELY smart yk that? The ability to take in and see through every tiny hint and essentially solve thr story is truly mind fucking obliterating. Every point blows my mind
This theory is so cracked it deserves a million views. More excited than ever for Natlan!
this is crazy bc ouroboros the tail devourer is actually very popular as a representation of 'cyclical fate' in chinese fictions. it is associated with trapping people in an endless loop (samsara), eternity/infinity, and fate.
In addition, I was so glad you brought it up because I've always believed the primordial one was a snake. Not only does the symbols and architecture of the ancient unified civilisation resemble snakes, but Enkanomiya literally has statues of snakes and begged Orobashi, a snake, to become their new god. Why would the boy be so excited to serve Orobashi, if Enkanomiya wasn't already used to worshipping snakes?
Dragons love gold… Dragons love Gold! Gold loves dragons. She did make one after all. Hexenzirkel are dragons or dragon sympathisers hence why they had beef with Venti. Gold was looking for a way to either a. Give dragons their bodies back orrrrrrr b. Create new dragon sovereigns that had passed potentially not knowing some remained in human form?
also dainsleif has golden hair which means he could potentially be Nara Varuna and not the sibling
This is simply INSANE , I love this video . Genshin lore is amazing and these theories make it even more so .
The amount of effort put into this video can't go unnoticed btw so well done honestly !
My theory is: The Black Serpent of the Battle Pass is the "Sinner" we met in the Caribert quest. Serpents are usually religous symbols for "sin", like the one who made Eve take the "FORBIDDEN" fruit who gave her "KNOWLEDGE" of sin. FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE, anyone? The same "forbidden knowledge" that is shown as a black liquid spreading on the land? Almost like the liquid that drips from the Black Serpent's fangs?
The Sinner first brought forbidden knowledge to Teyvat, and it is symbolised as a Serpent dripping black venom from its mouth. The "genesis pearl" could symbolise Teyvat itself, since the Serpent's venom drips into the pearl, turning it black, symbolising how the knowledge it brought corrupted the World.
This also explains why Rukkhadevata was not the first pick for the Dendro Archon by celestia, they have to go over Nabu Malikata, Deshret, unknown mushroom/fungus god and then finally into this supposedly "elven" princess when in reality, looking at how Sumeru city, and more specifically Akademiya itself are essentially her place to hoards treasures and "Knowledge", That she is a Dragon herself.
It's no wonder why she's so fixated on Wisdom and the method on how to obtain it to the point she herself takes in Forbidden Knowledge that would eventually backfire completely against her own people.
Even if this theory turns out to be true, I personally don't think Buer is a 'dragon'. She is likely the only exception (notice how even the OP does not mention her when talking about Klee, Alice, Iansan, Pulcinella, and Layla), Rukkhadevata is probably just the "Fairy of the Tree" more than anything else. But make no mistake, I actually agree with the overall theory of the video.
Mushroom god? I must have missed this please elaborate.
@GhostEmblem they might mean the giant talking mushroom in the Chasm?
@@ShirouEMakes sense, especially considering that Nahida herself being mentioned by the fungus people that she looks like Rukkhadevata on multiple occasions despite she hides her forms behind a mushroom disguise, meaning like Barbatos, her looks aren't her original appearance, but rather possibly a facade that she adopted as part of her new identity as the Dendro Archon.
@@GhostEmblem It's mentioned multiple times on various World Quest that prior to Archon wars, there's a lot of Gods and Deities throughout Teyvat, those that have it's descendants still exist as monster to fight in this game are their descendants or followers, like Azhada and those bunch of Geo Vishaps, and in this case the Fungus Gods and it's many followers/descendants like the beloved Mushroom King that are apart of the daily boss fight.
Now the reason why I mentioned mushroom god as potential candidates for being the Dendro Archon is because in one of the lore books idk which one, but it does stated that Rukkhadevata was the "LAST" options for celestia and the only one who accepts the Authority of Heaven in the form of the gnosis while the others Gods like Deshret outright refused it. Which means by extension it can be safely presumed that Celestia glossed over even the other Gods like the Animals Gods and in this case the Mushroom God being the most prominent natural gods outside of Nabu Malikata, whose really just a really powerful Seelie that appearances mirror that of Nilou.
15:04 hit me with the meanest ad, i really thought the video ended right here😂
You know going back to Chinese Lore, Dragons were Divine (and royals believed they're descendants of them), so if the Primordial one is a dragon, I can see why the Devs made it that way.
If traveler is thor, they’re gonna die during the final battle
This also works with how Nahida's longevity being a branch of Irminsul is similar (?) to the Vidyadhara's reincarnation cycle.
So far the only 'elves' we know are:
Klee & Alice
Neuvilette
Layla
Iansan
Nahida (and by extention Rukkhadevata)
It is also interesting how Dainsleif always covers his ears...
Now with Kevin being an expy as TPO, it would be funny as the first samsara, corresponding with the first descender, is Hyperborea, and Kevin has been 'cursed' to the point he cannot touch anyone due to how cold his body temperature is...
I JUST saw your pinned comment on Buer being an exception 😭
@@KawaiiKittenz06 I dont get how she would be an exception cause she has elf ears.
@@tribridoneandonly2793 im still positive that dragons are related to trees... think azhdaha, dragonspine, inazuma's sakura tree, and so on...
@@KawaiiKittenz06 did he ever post about why nahida wouldn't be an elf? because i still think she would cause all archons are something before becoming "gods" like venti a wind spirit, morax a "dragon", focalors an oceanid, and maybe Raiden Ei and her sister Makoto are like incarnations of lighting or something. She could have been an elf who ascended. And i mean elfs in most mythologies as well as in the game can live for over 500 years like Alice. Im so sad they haven't explored any elf storyline so far cause they seem so interesting.
@@tribridoneandonly2793 czcams.com/video/ndxEDk1-cwA/video.htmlsi=aVtbCXoQJ6PqaNiI tl;dr he said nahida/rukkhadevata is the avatar of irminsul rather than an elf
I just can't figure out why pure Khaenriahns can't be turned into Hillichurls, I know a mix of pure Khaenriahn blood and Non-khaenriahn can be turned into Hillichurls cause they have Primordial one's blood in them so he can turn them into Hillichurls at will but what's in Pure Khaenriahn's blood that makes them an exception from this transformation?
"did the rooster hatch from an egg"
good sir you insult me, I was questioning if the rooster was the cryo sovereign
woooow i've never even thought of klee being a dragon :0 that's so cool!
This actually makes a lot of sense when I look at the overall thing. Dam this is game-changing on so many levels if it is true.
Almost tapped a hole into my tablet starting this video :)
Regarding Hunahpu and Xbalanque, who becomes the Sun and who the Moon?
One thing that I found interesting while reading about the Mayan Twins Hunahpu and Xbalanque is that after defeating the Lords of the Underworld, they climb into the sky where Hunahpu becomes the sun and Xbalanque becomes the moon. At first, I assumed that it was the other way around because Genshin’s Xbalanque is called the ‘One Entombed With the Primal Fire’ while his Mesoamerican name translates to ‘Hidden Sun’.
I always have high expectations from your videos, but this one blew my mind. The way you connected the dots is insane 🔥
Klee being a dragon is so crazy, but makes sense... the girls obsessed with setting things on fire 😂😂
Quote from the "wings of feasting" (aka "kfc wings"): Once Upon a Time, that world was ruled by dragons.
But not the ones you hear about in stories. These were more akin to a cross between lizards and chickens.
what if the primordial one is/was a dark snake? akin to an imoogi, a snake wanting to grow into a full-fledged dragon after waiting a thousand years and forming (or stealing) a dragon (genesis) pearl?
Thanks for the video!
I watched this one, then rewatched the previous one, and... I can't stop thinking we're not the main heroes of the story we're just guiding Pale Princess and the Third Descender to their happy romantic ending... aka... Paimon and Dainsleif 😨
In a way that makes the Traveler siblings the heroes.
in hindsight, the traveller is leaning more into being the witness. while we are helping a lot, like a lot, we arent actually driving the main things that happens in genshin. my take is that venti and mond could have surely dealt with the corrupted dvalin. liyue qixing and liyue as a whole would have stood chance against osial. yae and kokomi would have still achieved something to convince ei and the shogun. haitham, cyno, and others would have still figured things out. focalors plan would have still flourished. like yea things happened bc we were there but thinking about what if we arent, it feels like it would still work out. its as if, or not as if but in actuality, that we were there more as witnesses. yea ik we were called as witnesses but it makes more sense now, instead as the usual heroes
In my opinion, Neuvillette didn't create life, but either extracted, removed or transformed the premodial waters in their veins to blood. As explained in the archon quest, Folcalore used the waters to turn oceanid into humans but the waters still remained in their bodies. Also a thing to note, is that a single Oceanid "created" by the waters of many dissolved Fontainians.
ITS POSSIBLE DAINSLIEF DOES NOT HAVE THE REAL EYE OF THE FIRST FIELD TILLER !!
During a quest in sumeru, the traveler and an academia researcher go to an appraiser in search of an item but the appraiser showes us something else instead, thinking its what we were looking for. They claim that its the ruin core from the ruin guard ontop of stormterrors lair, siting the battle scars all around it from its fight with the great wolf of mondstat. Does that mean this is genuine? When we saw the eye of the first field tiller at the end of the dainslief quest we see no claw marks around it, does that mean it was switched out? How did it end up in the posession of the appraiser, does dainslief know he does not have the real eye of the first field tiller ? Are the ruin gaurd core and the eye of the first field tiller not the same thing? Paimon was the one that asked if dainslief could have a fake, i feel like this is something that was just glossed over considering the quest isnt voice acted. Could someone please tell me what you think of thiw.
I think there is a high possibility that they wanted it to be super obvious to us that the appraiser is a scammer, was scammed, or is incompetent at appraising by bringing up something we ourselves witnessed doesn't have claw marks and is in the possession of our friend.
My question is, if this is all correct, how the heck does Paimon tie into any of this? Unless she's just a red herring and will never actually be significant to the story
Most people assume she’s the sustainer- but in this theory it would be perfect symmetry if she was dainslief’s seele lover, cursed to have her memories erased
Wei has a really good theory video that basically lays out how Paimon is like Jeht’s BenBen, she’s a construct created by the primordial one to overlook the primordial ones matrix. It’s definitely worth a watch.
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I currently think Paimon is the Princess from the Pale Princess and the Six Pygmies. I explained why in my previous video (the one before this).
@@Arcanewhim yeah Dain has the negative version of her palette, they are mirror images of each other. They are definitely meant to have some connection.
I do think Kevin would be pretty fitting to be a Descender or the Primordial One. Dude's determination to fufill his obejctives is insane in HI3. And I think it would be a match for the will of a descender since his plans would affect the whole world of HI3 as well.
I also don't think Celestia or whatever, is evil. Just doing what they can to preserve Teyvat, since from the Narwal's descriptions mentions puts the idea that there's something that impedes outside stuff to contact Teyvat. And there's also the K.K mentioned in the Travelers' descriptions.
I'd love for the Primordial One and his four shades to represent different Kaslanas. Like Kallen, Kiana, Kevin, Bianka, Siegfried. Maybe even Cecília, who is Siegfrieds wife.
It's highly speculated that K.K. is Kevin. He's pretty much the Kaslana that comes to mind when you read the message. So him being a Descender would be such a crazy reveal and I would love it.
I think Primordial One is like a Genshin equivalent of Herrcher of Origin(Life) or something like that... It did what herrschers do and killed dragon civilization but Genshin world is special and it allowed PO to create life
Kevin actually can make sense and there's a ton of context in the final arc up to Chapter 35 that alludes to Genshin. Besides Kevin's hairpin which is Paimon's Primogem hairpin, the warp gates that Bronya restored to travel back to Earth is the first time Paimon's constellation particle effect has ever been used outside of Genshin in another Hoyoverse game.
And the most incredible connection is that the Cocoon of Finality has an "eye" that's the shape of a Primogem and the Cocoon itself also has the same blue and pink colour scheme of a Primo. And the Cocoon of Finality represents the Cosmic Egg, based on Andy Weir's "The Egg", an entity that is the soul within all life in the universe, looking at the Cosmic Egg is seeing a reflection of yourself, which is straight up stated by everyone who ever met the Will of Honkai, they saw a reflection of themselves, which is why Kiana in Chapter 35 said that the Cocoon is a Mirror.
This Cosmic Egg is mentioned in this video at 15:56 and Kevin is obviously going to be the Serpent that surrounds the Egg.
What I think though is that it's not going to be exactly Kevin Kaslana, but a being that represents the Kaslanas, and the 4 Shades will each be based on a version of Kaslana, such as Kiana being the Sustainer. The Primordial One is likely going to be a version of the Herrscher of Finality.
Kiana Kaslana is the most important character in all of Hoyoverse as she was the very first character in their very first game they ever created, FlyMe2TheMoon. And every Honkai game after that had Kiana traveling to the Moon as destiny to invoke Finality and start a new Origin. Finality is the endpoint and Origin of a new Samsara, so she fits right into Genshin's themes and works as a possible candidate of the Primordial One.
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat"Kiana Kaslana is the most important character in all of Hoyoverse": HSR, Tears of Themis, ZZZ.
Not anymore, she's just a minor character starting with Genshin, in which she's just one of the four familiars of a bigger shot, and after that she's not even in any more games from hoyoverse.
@@iosis9324 You are not understanding Hoyoverse at a deep enough level.
Go watch Myriad Celestia Trailer: Fables About the Stars, scroll to 3:09 read the mirrored blue words, they say The Finality. Before that the narrator says: Listen to the Infant in the Mirror", this is a direct call out to the Cocoon of Finality, which as Kiana stated, is a Mirror.
Kiana is not just a character, she is the thematical central core of all of Hoyoverse, because she represents Hope and Finality/Destiny.
Goddess of the Moon, Herrscher of The End, Finality, Sustainer of Heavenly Principles, they are all names that Kiana took on to represent Destiny, which btw is the main theme of HSR.
Destiny is the ultimate antagonist of Hoyoverse, represented by Kiana and as the Mirror, she also represents the opposing Hope, the concept that can beat Destiny.
Why did Canon in D play at the end of chapter 35? And why did Kafka play Canon in D at the start of HSR? Why did Kiana leave on a train, and HSR start with a train? Why did the Trailblazer pick up a Kaslana Bat?
Finality and Origin.
I have learned to believe you out of all of the people who do theories because your theories make the most sense and not just seemingly trying to ride what people thought is collectively right. The amount of research and cooking is so good.
Omg i loved this video
Yes u are right vishnu the one who maintains the world is explicitly called the 'sustainer'. Always ringed a bell in my head.
Good luck for further videos!
here before the title change
also that video quality man ✋😔👌
You know I always wondered why we haven’t seen more fairy tale creatures since i thought characters like klee are elves and dragons exist
my notes about the video :
1- kevin kaslana is confirmed to be KK of honkai impact. which i think he is the expy of genshin's KK . now the question is , is KK the primordial one or smthin?
2- nahida/rukhadeveta are dragons now ? XD u ignored them completely
3- if dainslief is a descender dragon why does he have same eyes like rest of khaenrians , are they created by him now? in ur previous video u said they are seelies
4- disagree about descenders being each associated with a samsara. the first 3 came around the same time , remember that 1st & 2nd made gnosis together from the 3rd
5- i still don't know why the cycles part of narzissenkruz and the mytholgy dump is even mentioned feels unnecessary and even more confusing.
6- why doesn't zhongli have pointed ears then. and why him, klee and iansan doesn't have reptilian pupils. u know that's the rule according to enjou and neuvilette matches that.
This is an awesome theory!!!
The other day I also dawned on the similarities between the long life species on the Xianzhou and Klee & Alice. Originally, I was thinking they may be the elf species commonly found around there (I think we’ve only seen NPC’s so far though), and since we know Alice can travel between worlds, I assumed she may of came from there. Your connections have a lot more reason behind it though! I almost completely believe with this theory!! My only question is, are you saying Alice and Klee are from Natlan, or another type of evolved dragon?
Great work, looking forward to the next video!
GREAT VIDEO!!! Love your enthusiasm!!! 😊😊😊
4th cycal is khaenri'ah
Imagine that the "Rooster" is a reference to the Basalisk?!
Bro I get shivers every time I watch these I swear they need to be MAD popular
What a masterpiece of a video, I am in awe. How do you do it? You truly understand this game. I'm prepared for your subs to go from 7.6k to 1mil+
If Natlan is the nation of dragons and humans living together it only makes sense we will see a lot of elf ear like playable characters possible and some human mixed together.
Keep cooking, brother, this is a fine theory you’ve got here.
Very convoluted and entertaining lol it felt like various different theories at the same time ^^
I'm only halfway through this video, and I'm hooked. You're unhinged, dude! I'm subbing immediately!
15:03 I had an ad here and thought you were done, that would have been a brutal cliffhanger, this is so good 😂☠️
Never stop cooking because I’m convinced!! Also to add to your Kevin being the primordial one theory, if I remember correctly the twins intro cards in CN are told by KK aka Kevin
How on earth just today I stumbled on your channel? Binge watching your other videos.
This theory just mind-blowing! And now I'm even ore interested in Iansan.
thanks, as entertaining and informative as always!
okay youre the best genshin lore theorist imo! ive seen many genshin lore videos and i know this all just speculation but your theory is just wild lol wdym dainsleif is THE THIRD DESCENDER?! 19:43 this part give me goosebumbs, its just so much sense! i always thought he talk about our sister. also primordial one being a dragon too?? wow :o PLS i hope kevin expy being primordial one is true or playable kevin expy pls hyv! ive been interested in him but cant play hi3 TT
also i dont remember if its explained in star rail, but your explanation about why danheng have humanoid version just made some sense in my brain (well it thanks to fontaine aq too). i always thought that because of his sin he is reincarnated as a human, but then his lc show him chained as a dragon and that confused me lol anyway thank you for the video! it made my day o/
It's time to cook.
- "It's okay Paimon we regard you as Big-Sis" - Melusine after the archon quest.
What are the melusines to Neuvilette?
Cater "Hmm you like treasures and eating...are you a dragon Paimon?" Yepp he just goes out and says it.
Anarana calls everything anarana, but NOT Paimon they only refer to her as White-Floaty, meaning they have NO memory of her existence.
Why because Paimon is the Primordial dragon diminished.
Paimon " Paimon is Paimon"
This is phenomenal lore content!
The only issue with this theory is the fact that the dragon of water,and therefore the Pirmoridal sea is the origin of all life , it's stated in neuvillette's story voicelines that the hydro sovereign is the authority of life ,and it was stolen and used to create the shade of life further after , which goes against Pirmoridal one being the creator of lives and creating them from himself bc he already stole the ability in the first place.
From what I remember it wasn't used to create the shade of life. It's only stated that the shade of life used it to create egeria as the new heart of the primordial sea.
Man, I just clicked because I saw Kevin in the thumbnail.
It would explain why the primordial one has wings but the halo part still confuses me. Unless it’s saying they’re an Angel Dragon hybrid.
I saw a theory video that assumes that dragons in genshin are angels .... And the archons and the other gods of Celestia are devils. And as we all now Lucifer is supposed to be a fallen angel (the primordial one?). But sadly I don't remember the title of the video and who made it.
DUDE we had a same brain moment I /just/ put a video explaining the five suns, I'm so glad someone else pointed it out too❤
what does this mean for the tsarita collecting the gnoses though? dainsleif's divine half will be resurrected? does the tsarita have any connection to the seelie dainsleif fell in love with? I guess dain may not have his descender memories cuz like bro she be collecting your remains like pokemon, but if his divine half does get resurrected in natlan it's gonna be crazy 😂
If we look at consecrated beasts, they ascended to pseudo-divinity by eating the corpses of gods, but failed to properly absorb it and became simple monsters. This will offend Liyue, but this reminds me of illuminated beasts, or adepti for those which signed a contract with daddy ZL. Speaking of Morax, he was the one who 'illuminated' all these beasts by teaching them adeptal arts, the original illuminated beast. But he likes to take the form of a dragon. Emperors in ancient China were said to have dragon blood running in their veins, making them divine. Zhongli have dragon blood and became divine? Like how the shade of life created the second heart (Egeria) from the first heart (Hydro sovereign)?
Brother is coocking
If they are all Dragon-People it would explain why we've heard nothing from them in the other regions. We needed Neuvillette.
maybe I missed something but IM SO CONFUSED 😭 if you’re saying Dainsleif is the third descender, then why did Skirk say that the gnoses were the remains of the third descender that had died long ago? That would be saying Dainsleif died and was used to create the gnoses? unless you’re talking abt his previous form that died and then Dainsleif was reborn? please explain if you can 💗
His divinity was split from him and used to make the gnoses leaving only his mortal human form i.e. Dainslef, just like Focalors and Furina.
ohhh got it tysm 💗💗
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There's a problem with that though;
First and foremost the divinity referred to by Focalors is the authority gained via thrones bestowed by celestia and is not just of descender power but also with sovereign power.
Focalors was an oceanid; a being capable of combining together and 'reproduce through' splitting. But since descenders are completely different species there's no proof of this splitting in other context
i absolutely LOVE unhinged theories yasss keep it going
ugh i cant wait for the fontaine part of Dain's quest
Alright you have caught my interest for that you deserve my like!
Great video, I normally reply to such good videos with essays, but this video has such a broad range of topics that it would be hard to reply so I'd need to type a whole thesis to properly discuss all the information so I gave up lol
What I'll say is that Hoyoverse always revisits important themes in all their games, each time telling them from a different perspective, only by understanding each perspective then we can get an overarching message and meaning. It is more than just "expies", the same characters are "reused" to tell a completely different story so as to provide us with different contextual meanings.
Good ass vid man. Never even focused on this since I was caught up in all the tragedy stories. And Melusines :_:
Imagine honkai impact 3rd and Genshin Linking into Star Rail? Like we did find Himeko’s shattered sword and Traveler’s wings inside Herta station. Since the threes and all in their own universes. It talks about the multiverse theory meaning the Travelers in the future could potentially past Herta Station.
The primordial one did hatch from an egg right? So it makes sense that’s they are part dragon. It’s just that the wings and halo bit makes me definitely believe they are outside of Teyvat.
You said perfectly what I had thought about the four descenders, but I never thought the older princess would be the 2md descender and not Nibelung but it also makes so much sense. I always had a feeling the 3rd Descender was the one who fell in love with the seelie!
Doesn't nahida have elf ears as well?
and she is the reincarnation of rukhadevata
so sus
Some of this felt like a major reach... but some of it felt like it rang so true that light bulbs went on in my head. What you said about the descenders and the samsaras for instance. I remember seeing the lore drop about them in game and going whoa this feels huge but not knowing how exactly. 4 descenders. 4 samsaras.
I havent finished the video entirely so I dont know if you discussed this or not yet but something that has bothered me since we learned all about Remuria was the god Remus himself. He doesn't sound like just your typical god by what little information they give about him. He has some pretty immense power from what they say. In fact what they do let us know is so suspiciously little that it gives me huge questions about what type of being he was. He is supposed to be long dead but I dont recall how exactly. Perhaps he is the mysterious 3rd descender? No idea, and perhaps the fact that he also had a brother named Romulus (Remus... Romulus... twins in our own mythology... just like Aether + Lumine?!) could be a major clue as to whether that theory holds any weight?
Another thought: 4 samsaras, 4 descenders.
..... 4 shades?
does that mean that fontainians went from not human to more human than any other humans in teyvat? because of normal humans are made of alien ingredients then when Neuvi turned them all into real humans using the power that was of this world, doesn't that make them less alien than everyone else? (and therefore more human?)
I definitely learnt more history here than in School. And that too it's captivating.
Is there treasure goblins like beings in Genshin? Not like dori but actual monster type beings who seem possessive over treasure?
Bro really cooked this time
17:43 if mine ears do not deceive me, i belive the elden ring theme song is playing in the background, now i dont know if youve ever played elden ring or got into the lore but i would love to see you cover other games as well, elden ring seems like an easy choice since it has one of the richest worlds, however the games not as popular anymore so maybe not
He already made videos with him playing Elden Ring while talking about Genshin back in the days. If I remember correctly, the souls genre was his favorite.
What if Alice is related to the sovereign like they’re descended from generations or something. 😂
"Or is it?” is going to haunt my dreams 😂
You can be a descendor and human right? No one ever thinks that it’s always powerful god like beings.
You joke about The Rooster being a dragon but it isn't that farfetched if we look at the History of The Hoyoverse.
Case in point Fu Hua and more specifically her gene donating beast Garuda.
Now if we go by the ever more obvious assumption that Genshin is going to eventually get into the topic of the war between Quantum and Imaginary (which is essentially what Abyssal and Celestial are) as well as The Multiverse even deeper than it already has then that'll mean other concepts also apply.
So in Honkai Fu Hus is the ORIGIN of Phoenix myths, when she became a MANTIS after recieving Genes from Garuda she became truly immortal and basically just heals as fast as she takes damage (when she's in her most powerful form anyway) but even in her normal state she'll just revive eventually even if she is killed. But she also has to remove memories and store them in a divine key called "Fenghuang Down" because the Human mind was just never meant to exist that long
A side effect of Using her most powerful form though was that she gained a subconscious uncontrollable hatred for EVERYTHING Honkai related beyond even what was there before which included Allies using it to fuel their powers and even herself so it was kinda "sealed away" (she later gets it back but thats not important right now)
Cycling back to Garuda is that although Fu Hua is bird themed and fire bird specifically, Garuda it's self was classified as a Dragon. We've never actually seen what Garuda looked like but this BUT we do know of at least one Bird like Dragon, Dvalin, he has feathers and everything and Dvalin is confirmed to not be originally from Teyvat.
Also related to this is another Flame Chaser called Mobius who's battlesuit is called "Infinate Ouroboros". She's also functionally Immortal in that whenever she's killed she just "sheds" her old form and is reborn slightly younger. Her beast is also a giant Snake name dropped as Sesa (Shesha)
There's also Benares who in their true form is your typical European dragon in a Black, White and Blue colour scheme. At one point she gained a core upgrade from The Herrcher Of The Void (who The Unknown God is based on, though technically a different one) that gave her a human form called Bella...and who looks suspiciously similar to Skirk.
"after recieving Genes from Garuda she became truly immortal"
Her longevity comes from being MANTIS (but not from Garuda itself) and her regenerative abilities come from SWARA.
"But she also has to remove memories and store them in a divine key called "Fenghuang Down" because the Human mind was just never meant to exist that long"
As seen with Kevin and Su, MANTISes have no problem with that as they will just forget things as time passes. Due to SWARA, Hua keeps all of her memories and must erase them manually (or else her brain will "overload")
"Garuda it's self was classified as a Dragon"
Any source for that?
"Dvalin, he has feathers and everything and Dvalin is confirmed to not be originally from Teyvat"
Hard to tell if those are supposed to be feathers. And no, he wasn't even implied to be from outside of Teyvat, much less confirmed.
"gave her a human form called Bella...and who looks suspiciously similar to Skirk"
The only resemblance they share is hair color.
You had me at sun pearl
Although I don't think at the very end it IS Kevin, its possible you couldn't be too far off. After the events of the end of Hi3 part 1, the next few stories are all about Stigmas ending up in other bubble universes. It could be possible that it was a Stigma created in Kevin's image since we know that Genshin is a known bubble universe in the world of Hi3.
*clap*standing ovation* this theory is really really good
This explains why Chongyun and Layla are "cursed", there's probably something going on with the cryo dragon (Pulcinella ???) That makes everyone who has dragon dna and is cryo related hace curse
I just want to know what the pyro archon and sovereign is gonna do next.
no information has been given yet about the fire sovereign dragon, right? Let's assume it's dead since there is already an archon, unless the sovereign is also reborn like Neuv.
My bluetooth headset crashed on the word penitence, just kept repeating it. Kinda spooky lol
I feel like everytime I listen to a your name for now Video I’m slowly ascending to celestia.
i know this isnt fully related but listening to you talk about Dain makes me hope his boss fight plays out like Gehrman from Bloodborne... a final confrontation with our guide in a field of white flowers
I am Kokoconfused - too much information! But it is good information, great video! RIP my Genshin elves 😭
Hmmm...given all of Hoyo's convolutedness is there a chance of Kokomi being a dragon as well? 🥺🥺🥺
Hello there !
ALSO, the design on Kevin's torso matches the domain murals in genshin