Why the Nakba is key to understanding Palestinian history
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When the oppressed becomes the oppressor
Blacks are fantastic at it
It was never their land
@@calebmahle147when the opressed becomes the oppressor
@@acmulhernfirstly it's not like the Roman empire, u can't compare that to Palestine because Palestine is holy land for the Jews and they had ruled it for centuries and got expelled out of it several times, that's like what would happen if the Muslims got expelled out of the Hejaz, Mecca or Medinah. Or the Christians getting expelled out of Rome or Constantinople- which did happen for the most part.
Secondly if the Jews are closer to central Europe in their genetics- which is right to a certain extent(for Ashkenazi Jews that is, even tho most of them lived in eastern Europe) why do you think they got persecuted for centuries. Don't think ppl of the same race would commit genocide on each other.
And 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ you did not just say that Judaism began during the fall of the middle ages no pal they have been practising their religion 1800 years before Christianity or Islam.
@@calebmahle147the world didn’t start when judaism start either.
Conveniently skipped the part where all Arab nations attacked the Jews right when UN made it a state lol.
Lets not forget that it was called "Palestine" in 1917 for almost 100 years in a country called the Ottoman Empire. Then the British came and colonized it and decided to split it between Palestine and Israel without the arab's consent, that's why the arab's declared war.
@@crazybirdyplayz4596 let’s not forget Jews lived there before Arabs even existed. They didn’t either consent to the Roman’s kicking them out
Well, kinda makes sense if they weren't supposed to be there in the first place.
Jordan was also Palestine territory and they were never against it!
@@crazybirdyplayz4596so what you mean is: it was a colony that became a colony of a different empire?
This is extremely shady journalism. Very important details are being left out.
Perhaps you fill in the blanks that you know?
@@ProleDaddy Go do research about the history of Palestine for yourself. Anyone, pro Palestine/ pro Israel should easily be able to see Vox is clearly pushing an agenda (like they always do) and not giving actual accounts of history.
No it's not, it's extremely accurate. There is a reason why you aren't telling us what is being "left out", and the reality is that this story is very rarely ever told.
@@ProleDaddy He can't, because nothing was left out or misrepresented, he just hates the idea of normal people hearing about the Nakba
Welcome to Vox. We're lucky when it's only purposefully leaving out stuff. And not just outright lying.
Fun fact: this is called "lying by omission", its essentially telling only part if the story to push the narrative that you want, for example:
Say you stole something, and have had it for a week by now, if someone asks you if you stole it and you say that its yours and you can prove it because you were seen with it last week, thays called lying by omission, ik the example is prrtty bad but it kinda gets the point across, i hope
100% correct.
This is deceptive. The plan actually limits these aggressive tactics to critical areas required for defense. (AS YOU WOULD EXPECT IN A WAR)
It was NOT widespread.
So what are they omitting?
You cant just say "you are wrong" without any details.
@@gmtom19 most of the wars in which the Palestinians lost land were started by the Palestinians themselves, in addition to a lot of other ommitted information
You’re right it’s an Israeli speciality which is why you love it 😂😂😂
@@Ammiadthey aren’t
I am not Jewish. Nor do I support the current Israeli policy. But this is simply not accurate history. It has omitted some key events in order to paint a certain narrative.
Like what?
@@FreePal334Like Arabs declaring war on Israel the day it was founded, Arabs declining the fair split, Israel winning every war started by the Arab countries surrounding it and thus winning land, etc.
It’s Vox. What did you expect?
@@KyubiBubi Israel is a settler-colonial state imposed upon the indigenous people by a foreign power, Britain. Why should the indigenous population accept it?
Also if you love Israel so much, you should give them your homeland. Absolutely ridiculous.
@@iMaDeMoN2012 there have been jews in the territory of Israel for 3500 years. This is of course, prior to the Arabs even existing as a race. Ironically, the Arabs conquered and thereafter colonized the land in the 7th century. Also, the colonial Roman Empire, after it conquered the land from the Jews, named the territory: Palestine. Also, the majority of Palestinians entered the territory after 1860 - only after a strong Jewish presence was already re-established. Again, I reiterate, I am not Jewish and don't support thr current Israeli regime. But what I have stated here is fact.
Y'all decided not to tell 99% of the story
What’s the 99% then
sure, you tell the rest of it then lol
They have longer videos on the subject. This is a CZcams Short.
Tell the rest then, you can't
@@khadafiaryawiandra9970you can read about it but you'd rather not so as to stay willfully ignorant and delusional.
Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that, before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.
You're kidding right? Before Israel, there was Jacob!!
Last I checked our enemy was the Ottoman Empire in ww1
Because back then, USA was not that strong.
@@turtlesrprettycool3379 the Ottoman Empire was not an enemy. We simply cut diplomatic relations with them and never was a war declared.
@@DearProfessorRF Enver Pasha had succeeded in bringing the Ottoman Empire into the First World War on the side of the Central Powers, Germany and Austria-Hungary. -Google
Yes, there was a war, it was world war 1
Free Palestine
You did just skip the part where Israel did accept the UN plan, thereby becoming a real country, while Palestine did not, under pressure from other Arab states, and chose to attack Israel. Had they also accepted the plan, today perhaps the conflict would be much less one sided as both would have the sovereignty rights of a country.
Shhhhhush we don't want to mention that, it's almost like
*checks notes*
Vox had an agenda
Sure, i had 100% of my land that i had the right to. Then some dudes appear and want 50% of it, i refuse, then im the terrorist and the bad guy.
Everybody can do and say and think whatever they want, israel never had peace in mind and it never was their intention. Therefore theyll never get it.
And they Also skipped that Gaza was anexed by egypt and West bank was anexed by Jordan in 1950 losing the opportunity to create palestine.
Fight back for their homeland that was forcefully made into another country without even getting asked what they think just because the the so called powerful countries said so? Youre right. Man, they absolutely had no right to do that. Its almost as if they were forced to accept their fate to stay quiet and be used around like United States, Canada, South Africa etc back then when they were colonised. The people back then must've loved it when the colonizers take everything and ignore what they have to say. No bloods were shed at all to resist them at all. 🎉🎉🎉
You just slapped them in the face with facts.
Cycles of violence & hatred are supposed to be broken not continued.
Wow you're so deep and thoughtful!
Naruto warned us about this
@@brayanlopez2015god did
Tell em to watch naruto
@@ramr7051 It's a thought that Israel missed
Let’s not forget how many times the Arab states tried to attack the Jewish state and failed every single time which this video did not cover
its just false. arabs never start the war
Israelis know they can't afford to lose a war, while Arabs have believed that a string of losses is just motivation to lose the next one.
They attacked to get their land back but with the help of Europe and America israhell won all the wars !
But no fks given why they attacked?
thus their victory over arabs allowed them to cleanse palestinians over their land? you know who else has the same mindset?
There was never a historic ancient Palestinian nation. But there were Jewish ones
Lies
@@macmay89he’s actually correct. The land before Israel was called the Jewish Palestine ( the name sticking since Roman times) the word Palestine means protectorate. Ie the Roman protectorate of the land of the Jews.
Peleshet or Phillistine was there before Israel?
see johns hopskins Genetic Literacy Project research
@@macmay89Troll 😂😂
Yeah let’s just skip the 1948 war completely where Egypt Syria Jordania and Palestinians arabs all declared war on Israel, and lost
Wouldn't you fight against a colonial entity which is so evidently being used as a US stronghold in the Middle East.
Like America doesn't finance anything with billions of dollars unless they know that Israel of being Americas foot in the region so that they can control it. America didn't become the strongest nation on earth by accident.
Vox does not care about the truth they support the terror of Hamas therefore encouraging viewers to take the Hamas side in the war
And why did they do?? We all know
@@asiyaasaeed8437 probably because it was more convenient to fight the newcomers than those who drew the borders and betrayed the Palestinians, the British?
Declaring war on an invader is a wrong thing ?? You guys are absolutely blind…
You forgot the part where they were rejecting the proposal and starting a war against Israel 😂
Imagine someone kicked out of your house and said it's their house.
@@Mosabbir82 actually it mostly false the Jews were staying at refugee Camps centers up until the late 1950s
@@Mosabbir82 that never happend
before the war started not a single house was taken that all happend AFTER the arabs attacked
@@baronbrummbar8691 The arabs attacked because the UN split Israel and Palestine and didn't want half their house gone
@@crazybirdyplayz4596 but it wasn.t ther house ....... the jews only got land where ther where already livinf since forever +
Swamps and deserts
the jews only took arabs houses AFTER the war started
When your country is founded on ethnic cleansing....
Fortunately, there is no Palestinian state. Because it would only exist because of ethnic cleansing.
“Losing a way you started doesn’t make you the victim”
a way? what?
he meant war
@@Cupcakesfilledwithwhipcream i believe israel in this case.
It makes the people victims no?
once again, let's all thank the British Empire and European colonialism for creating war and conflict
We can also thank the Arab invasions for converting the state into Arab and a Muslim one in the first place. Or the Romans for expelling the Jews from their lands.
I just know there will still be replies by colonial apologists telling how there are "good" and bad sides of colonialism. When in reality, anything good from colonialism was for colonisers.
Europe and USA bears responsibility for the current conflict. The jews moving to Palestine were largely of european origin.
Hahaha! Childish response, but I bet you are young and never was told the truth about Arabs. Seek knowledge of history outside your culture and you will grow.
@@HemantKumar-id3jgoh I'll start! The world at large was made objectively better through the actions of the British empire.
Sorry, Rome. You're still my favorite though.
If you give a mouse a cookie, it’s going to ask for a glass of milk.
can u explain to me everything that going on ?
@@joshuac4322 living inside cave for too long, huh?
@@UserAme99 just explain
@@joshuac4322so basically after ww2 after the holocaust british moved all the jews to Palestine although the arabs protested they still did and shortly the jews set up their own nation and military and then slowly taking over palestine with whole western states supporting it and threaten for military actions to any country which invades israel.
@@joshuac4322it’s basically saying that when something Good happens or someone receives a gift, they’ll demand bigger and better things
99% of Americans don’t know this side of the story
Because it's fiction.
@@timothydunn438 Heal your mental health bro
Because Vox is making up their own stories
Yeah it’s fantasy.
@@timothydunn438it’s factual, although this story also leaves out equally bad things done on the Palestinian side. Either way, the past is the past. Gotta look at the present and prevent further conflict while it’s still possible.
The Jews had been there way before but were forcefully removed. They went back to their ancient holy land.
see johns hopskins Genetic Literacy Project research
Yes but most of thier people were gone so the ottomans took it and it became palestine so yes it might be their ANCIENT city but was it their modern? Don't think so.
They never seem to mention that Palestinian territory was lost when they and other Arab states invaded Israel but ended up losing territory.
Well, tell me who support israel at that time? Israel cant stand alone without any help thats the real deal.
@@benjiesumatra9165 . In the 1948 war nobody. It was a pretty basic war on both sides. All those states had just been formed and were using whatever British and French military equipment they could get their hands on.
@@JGMAZthere was no war. War is when both sides have militaries.
@@NikoBellaKhouf2 . All sides had militaries. However, basic they were.
@@JGMAZ no, they didn't
Skipped the Palestinians declining the two states and the war they started.
Classic Vox
What gave the United Nations the right to apportion 55% of Palestine to a group of people (the Jews) who owned 6% of it and 45% of Palestine to a group of people (the Arabs) who owned 94% of it?
How can u propose a split to ppl who had the whole land at the time!
Palestinians agreed to fight the ottomans because Britain promised them independence if they did so, but after the war they declared Palestine a (jewish capital), the two states offer was a spit in the face
@@abdullahpatel6086 the fact that they were told so by the government of the said land gives them all the rights.
Arabs owned nothing of the land, neither did the jews.
The brits owned the entire land.
@@CG20132 propose?
There was no proposal.
The owner of the land decided that UN should do something about it.
UN decided to split the land.
There are no proposals here, just an event taking place.
If you decide to oppose it, you better be able to take the consequences.
Palestinians couldn't
You left out a couple of seriously important details. The UN proposed to create two states in the former British Palestine Mandate. Jewish leadership accepted. Arab leadership rejected the deal specifically because they were against any plan that would result in a nation for the Jews in that region of the world. They wanted the entirety, including Jerusalem, to be an Arab Muslim state. And they weren’t satisfied simply with protesting the plan. Instead, they kicked it up a thousand notches by declaring war on the new Jewish state, attacking with the intent to eliminate the new nation, and encouraging the local Arabs to leave their homes and villages while the invasion was being carried out. The Arab armies were driven back and ended up losing the war they started. When you start a war, as the surrounding Arab nations did, or ally yourself with the side who started the shooting, as the local Arab (later called Palestinian) population did, and then lose the war you started, you shouldn’t be surprised at the resulting negative consequences.
State of Palestine Quiz
1. When was the country of Palestine founded and by whom?
2. What were its borders?
3. What was its capitol?
4. What were its major cities?5. Name one Palestinian leader before Arafat.
6. What was the language of the country of Palestine?
7. What was the religion of the "ancient country of Palestine"?
8. What was the name of its currency?
9. Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US Dollar, GB Pound, Japanese Yen or Chinese Yuan on that date.
10. Since there is no country of Palestine now, what caused its demise and when did it occur?11.Why did the “Palestinians" never try to become independent until after the devastating defeat of invading Arab countries in the Six-Day War?Note: Anyone able to answer any of the above questions should certainly be commended for their creative and imaginative writing.
And when Palestinians fight back they cry out in anger but when Israelis murder Palestinian civilians they say “It’s war what do you expect”
They’re both Ls.
@@Politographythat sums up your entire life
@@khassan2008that sums up your historical, geographical, geopolitical, economical, political and social skills along with historical knowledge of the area.
@@Politography right so the people getting killed and oppressed for 75 years is an L, okay bud
And then they also say it’s “collateral damage”
Left out the part where Israel said yes to the devision deal and the Palestinians said no because they wanted the whole country (this happens like 2 more times).
Well duh. Would you want south asians (indians,pakistanis,bangladeshi) to have their own country inside the united kingdom simply because they are a minority group that has been oppressed and exploited by the british before?
ah yes they agreed to the deal that gave them the most fertile land leaving the palestinians with little to no way to have a self sustainable country. And that somehow justifies genocide and ethnic cleansing done to palestinian civillians
Because it’s there country
But why did they say no? That’s the part you’re not getting.
@@avichi9175 its been thousands of years, that claim is invalid and unproven, of course jewish people should be allowed to immigrate and live there and not be discriminated just as every immigrant, but claiming it as rightful israeli (the same country that weaponizes judaism for colonization and subjugation) territory is a baseless claim and it would be the same as claiming france and spain as italian territory since the romans inhabited it first
Plan Dalet has been the subject of much historical debate and controversy, particularly regarding its intentions and directives toward Arab villages. The text of Plan Dalet included provisions for securing areas within the proposed Jewish state and dealing with Arab villages based on their level of hostility and strategic importance. It specified various actions that could be taken, including the possible destruction of villages that were deemed hostile or were located in strategically critical areas.
The plan stated that in the case of resistance, the armed forces were to be destroyed and the population expelled outside the borders of the state. If no resistance was met, the area was to be controlled according to military considerations. In cases where hostile villages resisted or were located near Jewish settlements or vital lines of communication, the plan allowed for more severe measures, which included the destruction of the village through various means such as setting fire, blowing up buildings, and planting mines in the debris to prevent return.
These aspects of Plan Dalet have led to significant interpretation variations. Some historians argue that the plan was primarily defensive, aimed at securing and holding territory expected to be part of the new state and to ensure the safety of its inhabitants. Others view it as having laid the groundwork for expelling Palestinian Arab populations from strategic areas, thus facilitating demographic changes in favor of a Jewish majority in key areas. The implementation of the plan during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War led to numerous villages being depopulated and destroyed, which has been pointed to as evidence of both interpretations.
All of a sudden they had a historical amnesia
What about this. There was 850,000 people living there at the time. But more than 6 million Palestinian refugees are living around the world. How is it possible there are 6 million Palestinian refugees around the world from a population of 850,000? lol.
You do realize their fertility rate was almost 6.
keep trying to justify genocide, it is gaining Israel lots of support abroad 🙄
@@tubester4567I am Egyptian, Egypt's population in 1948 was around 20 millions, and in 2023 it is 110 millions. So Mr. "Not very smart guy", this is probably due to a strange phenomenon called reproduction. As a side note, you need to run some emergency IQ test and look for the proper therapy afterwards.
Interesting how the video leaves out the uk hold on Palestine and the genocide of the jews so it could promote more hate against jews
@@tubester4567 That's the way you get a passport to the west. The same way that Bengali crossed the border illegal and exponential growth in 20 years in Myanmar. Then they play a victim card.
When the victim of genocide become the monster who commit the Genocide...
And yet they cry smh
Except Jews never genocided anyone lol
@@WiseAilbheanthe only ones I see crying are Palestinian apologists
@@WiseAilbheanyes people cry when 1400 people are killed in a terrorist attack
Why no mention of the massacres and ethnic cleansing against Jews perpetrated by the Arab nationalists?
It is important to note that Plan Da-l-et were implemented before the 1948 war. The Nakba had started, with the help of the Haganah and Plan Da-l-et, before the war. The upheaval this violent expulsion plan caused in the Levant region is without a doubt a main reason for the 1948 war.
Isn't colonization the main reason for the war?
@@closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0 Should have written "major reason". But yes; Plan Da-l-et was a colonization plan. Grab as much land from the indigenous people as possible before the declaration of independence and do it with any means necessary.
Not at all. The Hagenah virtually ceased to exist by the end of WWII. They were recreated for a short while for the war. The 1948 war was caused by Israel accepting the UN resolution and declaring itself an independent country in spite of Arab opposition.
@@thomasjohansson5045 Plan Da-l-et was one of several plans talked and only implemented as a result of blockades of Israel.
Calling it colonization of the indigenous people is about as dishonest as you could possibly be.
First, it was not about colonization, but about the protection of it's nation, and two, the Palestinian Arabs are no more indigenous that Americans who emigrated from Europe.
@RichardChappell1 can't blame the arabs for resisting colonization
Leaving out some VERY key details here
Watch the full video... this is just part of it
How about starting in 1300 BC and not in the 1930s.
Lol. Who has any source from 1300BC?
@@zayaan7011the Bible and Torah, Egyptian hieroglyphs, archeological evidence?
@@brian6696 why only look at those two books? Of you are looking at religions books than you must also look at the Quran as well. 😅
I don’t care about who supports who I care about the innocent civilians who are dying because of this conflict. Babies, women, entire families are dying because of this conflict
People seems to forget the civilian involved in this conflict. They cared more about who's right or who's wrong, because they media told them to.
It all started by stealing the Palestine land and calling it Israel
This is not a "conflict", this is colonialism. The word Conflict makes it seem as if Palestinians and Israelis got into a dispute lol
@@mohammedgouigah3094 I prefer to call this a "conflict", because the term is more broad and more neutral compared to "colonialism".
Edit: The "neutral" one, is my position in this matter! There are no "neutral conflicts/disputes". Why is it so difficult to understand? I'm just trying to state my opinion. I used the term "conflict" to avoid any controversial statement, and shows that I am "neutral"
@@GoingForth It is neutral. That's the problem. This issue between Israel and Palestine is anything but equal-sided.
It’s called Palestinian state not Arab state
This Vox x Al Jazeera collab is fire
So are we just going to conveniently chose the timeline that works for your story? History didn't start in 1931
Watch the longer video. It's actually a really good explainer.
This conflict started with the Belfour Declaration. But you don't need to mention the British when it's a given.
You probably wouldn't like to go back as far as Hebrews coming into the area to take the land in the 13th Cent BCE, as described in the Book of Joshua (it's a lot worse).
It's a clip from a longer video. But I guess it's too long for the Tiktok generation.
Start from any year you want and you'll still be in the wrong
History means the entire history not just a cherry-picked era to support biases.
How did the fall of Constantinople affect Lebron's Legacy???
@@J1nxer333😂
@@J1nxer333better question: how did the German invasion of the Soviet Union lead to the creation of Snickers
@@Countcomfortable
I swear these questions are getting only better
@@mohammed44_ Here’s the best one yet: Did the November 11th armistice happen because of the Kaiser loosing to a shot from half court
Pro Israel
👇
How can a minority newcomer be given half the land is beyond my understanding.
It’s important to remember history goes further than the 1900s
They only care about what Israeli’s did and take it out of context
your not going to thump the bible are you? We could argue any countires existance based on any time in history but by 1900 this area had long settled out as it was.
you cant just take land if you lived there several millennia ago
thats like saying native americans shoud take over the USA because they lived there first
its not how claiming land works, its been arab territory since the mid 600’s AD, up until 1948
Your arguments does make a bit of sense . Its like saying we should allow the italians to take back the entire landmass of the ancient roman empire 🤦♂️
@@OfficialRealMadrid.no they should it’s their land they got killed for it and have small reservations to live on
There was no such thing as “historic Palestine”.
Free palestine 🇵🇸
free them from Hamas@@andredesi4583
there is
There’s no historic Israel either
@@b3dazzl3 The Kingdom of Israel did exist.
They should be forced to share the land, No Political parties, No religious exemptions. One Levant for the Levanti People.
Finally someone with a mind
Then they can live with the same amount of peace, harmony, and mutual respect that the people of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Yemen do. i.e. The record of the middle east isn't encouraging.
palestine is for the palestinians and noone else
@@JuHerSua99so levatines and semites then?
So force Palestinians to surrender to Israel?
This is honesty disgusting. You are feeding people lies
As Freire once said: Sometimes the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor. Perfect for this situation.
just forgetting the millions of Jews kicked out of Arab countries over the past 100 years
We just want to be left alone
This quote can applied to so many situations, yes.
@@natedubin8944 I firmly believe most Israeli and Palestinian people are innocent and that this is a clash between minority extremists in both groups backed by foreign interests, but when you say 'we' you make it sound as if the government of Israel has not been slowly stripping away Palestine's resources restarting the conflict. Where originally Palestine was self sufficient, they later relied on Israel for 82% of their food, and then later relied on foreign aid as all the water wells and farming land they relied on had been seized and controlled.
@@natedubin8944You might, but Netanyahu has other ideas.
Conveniently forgetting 3/4 of Palestine became the Arab state of Jordan.
Now they aren't...conscidering that never actually happened. You tried it...
As if that would mean Israel suddenly didn’t forcefully ethnically cleanse Palestinian territory
@@thecollector6746 wdum never happened?
British Mandate of Palestine included Transjordan
Jordan is Palestine, their flags are identical
@@hooglieable “Ireland is part of the Ivory Coast, their flags are identical”
You missed the part where the ottomans murdered the Jews Greeks and Christian’s so when Britain annexed Palestine they lost their rights to the land
Tell me half the story without telling me you're telling half the story.
Ok tell the full one then go ahead
@@tehotea3810it’s jus that they’re leaving things out. It’s not the “historic land of Palestine” as its history goes back to around after the british gave the land to both the Jews and Palestinians. Before then, they lived peacefully under the Ottoman Empire. The Palestinians have no ties to that land, and I’m pretty sure they didn’t even have a name until a 100 or so years ago, being called “trans Arabs” and whatnot. Whoever, the Jews have been there for a while, since the conquering of Canaan, or whatever it was called. And yes, they have been conquered by others such as the Babylonian empire, but they have the deepest ties to the land.
@@levka0840Ottoman empire lost Israel over a hundred years ago... I doubt there's anyone right now alive from that time so don't think it matters. Palestine's existence was recent(though almost a hundred years at this point) yes and that's why it matters.
Thank God you called it out
Tell me you're telling 0% of the story without telling me you're telling 0% of the story
Free the Palestinians from Hamas
Israel *
@@oxct3621nah terrorists shouldn't be free
From israel
I LOVE PALESTINE 🇮🇩❤🇵🇸
@@FireInTheHole69699 it has never been a thing.
Remember that the Palestinian Arabs would not have been there if the area was not conquered by Muslims in the past.
It was common back then.
Byzantine palestina was already colonized by Christian gentiles by the 6th century before the arabs took it
Palestinians, Arabs, Jews, lived there before Muslims conquered it, before Romans conquered it. The Palestinians are as old as tribes of Canaan. Using your Logic, Abraham was born in Iraq, thus his family (Jacob aka Israel) who migrated and settled in Canaan are actually Mesopotemians then.
@_TLA_Fortune The so called Palestinians are not indigenous to that area as well as Jews. The indigenous tribes no longer exist. There was a revelation of God to the Jews.
But the Arab side of the Semitic family jealously wanted the glory. This lead to wars of conquest. But when they lose the war they rally the west against their enemies by presenting themselves as oppressed peoples.
Palestinian moslems.
This practically misses all of the factors of the conflict. And that “Plan D” was never carried out in any serious manner. Attacks were made against Arab armies and paramilitary groups. Arabs who weren’t forced out by other Arab armies and did not attack Jewish forces were not kicked out and instead they and their families make out roughly 20% of the Israeli population today. With full rights of citizenship. And these Arab Israelis are judges, politicians, doctors, shop keepers, military members, and are found in every walk of life in Israel. The real change in balance of population came around the time of the war of independence when a dozen Arab countries expelled nearly 700,000 Jews of which the majority moved to the new state of Israel.
A crash course on history of the PALESTINIAN STATE:
1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state.
2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.
9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.
17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.
20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE. 🤔
Finally somebody who has seen the history and doesn’t pick after ww2 as the starting date
Palestinians are arabs that wanted freedom
Palestine british mandatory
Well yes but it was brittish palestin. If you drag the argument to the extreme you will soon find yourself declaring all land belongs to single celled organisms.
How long did it take you to write this 😂.
HOLY SH!T
I've never in my life heard such a botched version of history told as if this is how things have happened.
I REALLY hope people don't believe you, even though the video sounds and looks really official.
I'll add the things you missed real quick (even though you should read the history for yourself because I also have holes in my knowledge).
So first of all most of the Arabs that lived during the end of WW2 were immigrants from nearby Arab nations, they came there to work for the British who owned the land, that didn't have an official title, nor was it recognised as a country. Second of all, Jews have been living in Israel for years and years before the second or first WWs. Third, Israel accepted those borders suggested by the UN, while the Arabs decided to ethnically cleanse all of the Jews, but failed luckily and Israel was made, though it was much bigger than we know it today. They gave a lot of that land back to Egypt and maybe Jordan for a peace agreement. It is true that there were horrible things done in that war, but then again, it was a war... And I do not appreciate the fact that Israel destroyed these Arabs' houses after they left/were killed, but it happened.
Please, if any of my facts are wrong, feel free to cite me an article that says otherwise, but until that happens, I would massively appreciate it if you'll report this video for misinformation. It twists history in a way it shouldn't be twist, especially not now.
Wikipedia says that in 1922 there were 589,177 Muslims; 73,024 Christians and 83,790 Jews. The brits did that Census according to Wikipedia, so according to that jews were a little over 10% of the population in Palestine and the vast majority were Muslims. So correct me if I am wrong, just google search Demographic history of Palestine and go to the Wikipedia Article to search for the data. So it looks just the opposite of what you said, the jews ethnically cleansed the arabs through forced deportation to make way for a jewish state.
The part you are incorrect over is where you insinuate that the Palestinian population wasn't there until the British needed jobs done. Yes, the state has never been called Palestine but them people have been there since the ottoman empire. A quick little bit of research will uncover that for you. You insinuate the land was just inhabited until the British empire came along and needed workers.
@@jamessharpe2625 I think that the word 'most' is quite clearly there.
And sorry if it seems as if I wanted it to sound like no Arabs lived there before the British mandate.
Of course some Arabs were there for centuries, but so were some Jews, my point is that it doesn't give any side an automatic claim to the area. I'm only countering the video, not giving the full context to both sides.
@@lizardltd Hey could you cite an article stating the same about arabs coming to palestine for jobs? Thanks.
info : 1- they attacked egypt in 56 with the uk and france
2-they attacked egypt,jorden and syria in 67 and slaghtered them and took their land and you skipped all this and the war we had to make to get our lands back in 73 and alot of time to get the rest through the doplimacy and that egypt had to force them into a peace that doesnt even favor as and you simply said(they returned them and offered peace)? like showing that they give it out of their hearts or for peace?
Maybe cutting out a chunk of land in a region full of newly independent nations whose boarders were drawn up by a bunch of Europeans with no regard for the ethnic groups that were already there and then shoving another ethnic group on top of it all was a bad idea.
We've only made the situation worse because over the last 80 years, that new state we plopped in there now has new families who lived there for generations, and no neither side can get what they want without repeating the atrocities of the past.
Planting mines in a place that's not even a warzone.
Praying for Palestine 🤍
I’m hoping regular civilian Palestinians are safe; however after that I don’t care and nor should you about the terrorists and Palestinian state
Long live Israel from Jordan. Palestinians kicked my family out of our family home and later stole it during the Gulf War in the 90s.
Israel 🇮🇱
Free Gaza from Hamas that uses its civilians as human shields
@@joao503Literally committing a genocide as we speak but ok.
This is how you spread misinformation kids 👏
Where did they do that?
Everything in the video is true
No. This is how you reveal truth & against propagandas. For once in awhile, Vox are doing something right.
Prove a single thing in the video wrong..
U can't prove any misinformation in this video. This is how you make a capping statement. L opinion
woah woah woah. dont just skip over an ENTIRE war.
Never let the UK do the bordering
Isn't the story kinda incomplete if you tell it like this?
Watch the longer video in the link
The video in the link is incomplete as well. Vox is definitely choosing side. And implicitly justifying terror. Very smooth Vox, you made it.
every story told has a beginning and an end. It's a fragment of a bigger story, which in turn...etc. also, this is a 1 minute short. i mean...
@@roeiyehuda "And implicitly justifying terror."
How?
@@xensonar9652 to post pro Palestine videos showing only Israel as genociders, neglecting important parts of the war in the past and shaping public opinion against Israel DURING THE WAR against the terror of Hamas. This is what I call implicitly justified terror.
Skipped the part where arabs started waging constant wars against Israel, losing every war and thus losing territory. If they'd sit tight and cooperate peacefully, they'd live much better
Ya and now the hamas are doing war crimes and being terrorists
This comment needs way more likes
Israel were illegal country, but became legal with UN decision, without asked the owner of the land. 🤔
They won Suez tho
@@violetsapph1
It's not because it's false and easily debunkable.
After ww2 they probably would’ve been the safest in Europe if anything
They should've 100% been given a state there but sadly there was another pogrom in Poland after ww2 committed by polish civilians
Israel forever ❤️ 🇮🇱🇺🇸💙
India always with you Israel🇮🇱
Except in 1947
India has always been with Palestine...since according to the Indian stand on this- 'India has also been the victim of occupation & invasion by the British and others so they understand the pain & suffering of the Palestinian people'. Get some education on the historic stance of the Indians on the Palestinian issue.
Skipped the part where Palestine has rejected every country’s proposal for peace among both people.
Skipped telling over the fact that every piece of culture dug up is some kind of Jewish artifact while no Palestinian artifacts have been found.
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And when a group of people come from all over the world with huge numbers and decided to make a state from nowhere, is that acceptable for you ? lol, any reasonable human would not accept that you can measure it in your country !
am not saying kick the jews out of Israel it is what it is and it was a mistake in the past, but they want only Israel state with no Palestine , you can make your search on settlers on west bank.
Skipped the fact that israel was attacked AND WON
That happened in India and they created even a new nation Pakistan and we don't fight its existence.@@SuperSenaryO
@@tomzitiger yeah that happened as they got the best military gear exist.
Love how holocaust denial is considered a no no but the Nakba another genocide is continually denied
Left out how Arab leaders told Palestinians to leave their lands to make way for Arab army. Also left out that Jews were expelled from Arab countries that contributed to the large immigration of Jews to Israel.
This is false, historians have looked for radio communications and written demands from Palestinian authorities, and neighboring Arab governments saying this to Palestinians, and this is false. Nothing like this was found. Did you even bother to look up if this is true?
This is so unbelievably one-sided but not unexpected from Vox.
nah its 100% expected because they are vox
The arabs said they would throw the jews into the sea in 1947 .Then after losing the war Morroco Algeria and libya expelled their jewish populations .And now they are crying that they are the victims.
They're good at that
And the expelled Sephardic Jews were housed in the abandoned homes of fleeing arabs who planned to return after the genocide by the arab armies was complete
When the modern colonizer talks
Free Israel , There was never a palestinian state!
Context - The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948
Invaded entirely unprovoked. There was no Palestinian state.
What gave the United Nations the right to apportion 55% of Palestine to a group of people (the Jews) who owned 6% of it and 45% of Palestine to a group of people (the Arabs) who owned 94% of it?
Maybe they should've fought harder. Jews have been continually losing and reclaiming Israel for centuries. This is just a cycle of history.
the war broke out after the nakba where the jews mass r*ped, murdered and evacuated Palestinians OUTSIDE their agreed upon land (according to the UN)
@@abdullahpatel6086 who gave them the right !? Perhaps the fact that the land was under British control and there never was a Palestinian state before, that's why... Arabs were greedy, didn't accepted sharing the land with the jews, and got handed some humble pie in 1948 when they tried to surprise attack them... now they cry that the Israeli's are taking over their land... go figure..
this is not accurate.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Maybe you should tell people why israel expanded. It's because the arabs attacked them multiple times with the goal of wiping out israel but lost every time
not true israel planned to do this wether arabs attacked or not . actually they began doing it even before a Single bullet being shot from any other army
Lets not forget that it was called "Palestine" in 1917 for almost 100 years in a country called the Ottoman Empire. Then the British came and colonized it and decided to split it between Palestine and Israel without the arab's consent, that's why the arab's declared war.
@@crazybirdyplayz4596Palestine was never a country it was just a made up region as an insult to the Israelis by the Romans after they conquered the land
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Okay? And. The Arabs after losing ethnically cleansed it’s Jewish citizens (who had nothing to do with the formation of Israel) and nearly a million fled to Israel as refugees. To this day they make up the largest group of Jewish citizens in Israel. Curious if you were aware of this fact as a lot of people seem to think Israel is all Ashkenazi, which it’s not. Most Jews in Israel today have no where else to go as there only roots is that region of the world.
The moral response to being attacked would be to strengthen your borders not expand. Expanding is literally an instigation tactic because you want more war to happen so you can take more land.
As an israeli and a hebrew speaker, i do know that the "hagana-הגנה" was somewhat of a an exirimist defence group but i don't know the specifics about them BUT in hebrew dalet-ד is the fourth letter which in that case when you say plan "dalet" you mean the fourth plan if the three before that failed, just like "plan D" in english, so i feel like they are perpusfully hiding the full intentions of this story
That's because there were negotiations before of separating the land but the palestinians refused. They were planning of giving 55% of the land to the jewish refugees including the coasts and farming land that the palestinian economy heavily relied on. They said that they'll take the jews as citizens but they won't accept any separation of the land and in response they massacred them in order to scare the people into leaving. That is what caused other arab countries to react and gather their armies, but they were poor and just out of colonisation so they lost as the israeli army was backed by britain (the colonizers of the arabs) and the US.
@j2810 I'm sorry to break your bubble, but in the war of 1948, neither Britain nor the USA helped israel
@@shaharh496 I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but they both HEAVILY helped israel and even assured its foundation by bribing arab leaders to recognize israel after the war. In 1948, both funded israel and sent them the best weapons while the arabs were just out of decades of colonisation (some were still under European rule even) and poor. The arabs couldn't buy weapons from the enemy or even produce them and many people were still traumatized by the wars of independence. Regardless of what you think, the jews and palestinians have the same ancestors and they're indigenous to the land. Ben Gurion even believed that the palestinians will let go of their arab culture and join the jewish state since they had no racial link to the arabs (but they were descendants of the canaanites and samaritan jews that converted). That didn't happen of course and the division increased after the Nakba. Go watch the statements given by israeli soldiers during the massacre of Tantura (1948) for example. They're on YT and in hebrew.
@@shaharh496oh yeah israel’s military funds then magically appeared out of thin air
@@giladadadada1614you’re right it didn’t, but it didn’t come form the us or you uk lol
Nothing of what you're saying is based
Lies, Vox.
Yet you can't prove one lie
No mention of the first arabian war... classic vox
Well, what happened? My only question is which came first? I'm genuinely curious.
@@luchiane The nakba happened first but he obviously wouldn't admit that
*sorry there I had a mixup, plan dalet is what happened before the war, the name nakba refers to the war itself so the events of this video did still happen before the war happened
The war happened first. This is basic history
@@luchiane the arabs attacked a bunch of jewish (and christian) villages
then the nakbar happend durring the war as Revenge
@@abdelrahmana.abdelgawad6635 pogroms happened first but you wouldn't want to admit to that now would you?
Did forget Israel was attacked by all their neighbours the day after declaring independence
you forgot that Israel got land given by someone who does not owned them? gee, wonder why the neighbours does not received the squatters.
Please listen to yourself!
Same excuse the British used to colonize native americans and africans. If you take someone else’s home do you expect them to willfully give it up?
@@nurlindafsihotang49 It was their land that was given back to them after the Arabs colonized it
@TMsonjakopp7006 It was never just home to the Arabs though, and the Arabs decided to settle the issue through war and were spanked handily.
The only reason the British mandates Palestine was with the idea of creating an Israel in the first place. Before it was the Ottoman Empire.
today, more than 10 million Palestinians refugees outside lived in Jordan Syria Lebanon Egypt and athers
Please let us know what’s happened with thousands Jews from other Arabic countries at same time? And who refused to the UN plan and “two state solution” and any agreement at all and started instantly war with Israeli ? And lost it?
in what universe would someone coming into your home with the help of some mafia and demanding 60% to stop hurting you sensible or fair??
also why don't you say how those jewish people were living in those arab countries for centuries before britain started its medling??
What a lie.
@@gkagarait’s true Palestinian Arab rejected two state solution and Israel fought for it
@@gkagaraso is Palestine
@rhinnawi95did Palestinians speak against it or stop it literally ever in the last 75 years? Did any of the Arab govts apologize and call for a safe return for the Jews?
The local Jewish people councils approved the division proposed by the British, it was the Arabs who opposed this suggestion and started the war against Israel.
Israel fought against 7 different armies from every direction and
after 6500 casualties, stood up with the borders that split the land up until 1967.
So the British decided over lands that were not even theirs. Palestinians rightfully rejected this. Then Israel even took more land than was assigned to them, and this continues to this day.
I wonder why they didnt let a theft steal land from their neighbors🤔
@@JohnVanRaak-yx6cblol.. that land wasn't even for Palestinians. Palestine a name coined by Roman colonisers who renamed it from Israel to destroy Jews. So yea u have lot to learn.
@@JohnVanRaak-yx6cb you know conquest right? You can claim anything in this world as long you have the power to back it up. The real world is not just sweet and rainbow, wake up.
@@rah001able and human origin in Africa what your point ？
False narrative.
What do you mean " Palestinians have lived there for generations" , jews can comeback to their homeland whenever they please
They have been there before there was anything called islam or Palestine
This is like saying, i left my home for work and was not living tehre for 4yrs , in that time some people cane and started living there , now after 4yrs i came back and you are saying to me , ohh these people are living hear for so long , you cant kick them out " yes i can , and i should"
Except they left for centuries, not 4 years
That’s not entirely accurate about the Jewish people fleeing to Palestine to escape Hitler. The British mandate wouldn’t allow more than a trickle in and turned away many ships. My father was in northern Palestine until 1948.
In what is now Jordan? Because that was once Palestine Territory.
@@madworldusa255I think north Palestine would probably be Lebanon
It's not even remotely accurate. Let's be real about this tripe....
@@madworldusa255 No Jaffa!
@@billthecat22 True - I was just being polite.
If this channel covered WWII like it does this conflict, it would keep reporting on how Hitler was nice to animals and a vegetarian and how mean America was to interrupt such a virtuous man.
what's an example?
Notice at how they give examples, justifying bombing hospitals, churches and mosques
No doubt
@@DoriDembinsky Example?
@@twonumber22 what do you want examples of?
So so the United Nations were like we’re out of here😂
Look at a larger and older map before the Suez Canal was built and tell me where Israel actually is located
Denounce Hamas as terrorists then.
Smooth brain comment, everyone with a functioning brain can understand that you can denounce Hamas AND support Palestinians
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You can condemn hamas and support Palestinian civilians.
No
@@HughMann989no you cant 😂 they are one and the same because they votes for HAMAS
Palestine was never a state, prove me wrong
European jews never had their own state until they colonized palestina
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Free Palestinian
Convenient starting point on your timeline...
I mean before that is so far back that it doesn’t really give anyone a right or claim to anything.
Thank God you called it out
She also purposely left out the fact that the Palestinians rejected their own state.
@@boxingsense3459not true. If ur goong to mention something 2500 years ago lets conquer africa since we all supposedly originated there
They started there because it was pure arabs. Its obviously when it all statted
Cant believe vox went into this narrative without presenting all the facts.
I can believe it lol, it's VOX
It's not their fault that you don't like the true narrative
its a youtubd short
@simon_krajcovicthen what is true narrative? Lol
lol only sheed disagree with you
British Empire accepted Jews, not "Palestine". Stop saying these arab tails.
Just a clear tendentious and selective presentation of history.
1.Missing the war following the UN declaration of Israel,
2. missing the Israeli people’s right to return to their homeland,
3. missing that many jews were living in today's Israel when the British and Turkish controlled the area, means not only immigration was populating the area.
4. Not mentioning the main reason for “hagnah”s existence- to protect (hagna in Hebrew means defend) Jewish settlements that were on free lands,
5. Missing out “the Arab revolt in Palestine” that erupted before UN deceleration of Israel, and exhibited the Palestinians and Arabs dedication to expel all those who live in the area jews and British alike.
Does including and considering all those points justify the indiscriminate killing of innocents that is going on today?
@@Mr.science007ah, of those murdered on 7 October
stealing somebody's home is still called stealing even if the un said you can
and the owner of the home will defend his home and there is nothing wrong with that
@@Mr.science007Absolutely not, but people need to stop arguing that the Jews are taking “Palestinian land” when the Jews were the ones kicked out of their home all along.
@@-highvoltage4685I wonder how it's your land people are stealing when you were once stealing that land from the Jews? Jews were there first and we all know that, then the Arabs took over, which they surely did not do by charming the indigineous people and their religion.
Around 700.000 jews lived in north africa and middle east and where also forced to move out.
Where palestinians expelled during Nakba to return, would also those jews be able to safely return to their lands, to their previous homes? With safety and political rights that arab citzens inside Israel enjoy? I dont think so. And NO ONE ever talks about that
What joke? Are Arabs enjoying the peace inside Israel?? Are you blind? Do you even know what is happening there? Hamas would not exist if Isreal protected indigenous Palestine ( Christians and musilms)
Yes ! This is also a vital part of the history
only if they want to duh 🙄
So the main problem was that Palestinians welcoming the Jews…..
shhssss that doesn’t fit the simple narrative
Unfortunately for the Palestinians there is no historic palestine and the jews were the original inhabitants
There were no Palestinians only arabs
The thief never became an owner
free Palestine 🇵🇸
but the "owner" is super weak 😂
@@HaroldDramayeah because the thief is backed up by “ the greatest country in the world “ 🇺🇸
It was our land first.
@@samuhlm2 yeah it was the land of Palestinian 🇵🇸 Muslims
Did you just forget about the Arab invasions and the Palestinian refusal to accept a two state solution!?!?
Why do you think the Arab invasion happened in the first place? And how does the refusal of a two state solution justify anything? Even tho Palestine accepted the two state solution and here we are.
you're being disingenuous, those wars happened after the Nakba where the Jews ethnically cleansed 750,000 Palestinians from their homeland.
@@gxmody1100"Even tho Palestine accepted the two state solution" they didnt
Why should they have accepted a blatantly unfair land distribution?
Yeah accept because they had to take a small share, also forget about history why did Isreal occupy the West Bank and control the Mosque Al Aqahs