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- The Israel-Gaza war has got many people talking again about the need for a two-state solution. It’s often presented as the only option to bring lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians. But what is the two-state solution? Is it actually possible? And why are some people talking about a “one-state solution” instead? #AJStartHere with Sandra Gathmann explains.
Chapters:
01:00 - What is a two-state solution?
02:34 - The Balfour Declaration and its implications
03:05 - The British proposal to partition historic Palestine in 1937
03:30 - The proposed UN partition plan in 1947
04:05 - What happened in the 1948 war
04:40 - The Green Line and the 1967 war
05:55 - How Yasser Arafat recognised Israel in 1988
06:30 - The Oslo Accords and how they didn’t promise a Palestinian state
09:05 - Israeli and Palestinian opposition to the peace process
11:20 - The Second Intifada
12:00 - Attempts to keep the peace process going after Oslo
12:40 - Major obstacles to the peace process - settlements
13:39 - Major obstacles to the peace process - Israeli politics
14:09 - Major obstacles to the peace process - Palestinian politics
16:35 - Why October 7th has got people talking again about the two-state solution.
18:53 - Is all the talking about a two-state solution part of the problem?
19:18 - Why some people argue for a one-state solution
This episode features:
Diana Buttu - Palestinian lawyer & analyst; legal advisor to the PLO negotiating team 2000-2005.
Nathan Brown - Professor of political science, George Washington University
Gideon Levy - Israeli journalist & author
Mouin Rabbani - Co-editor, Jadaliyya
Rami Khouri - Distinguished fellow, American University of Beirut
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In 1948, Jordan took control of the West Bank and Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip, leaving the Palestinians with no land in which to declare a nation (and the Palestinians did not declare any desire to form a state when occupied by these nations). The other Arab countries were more than happy to expand their nations at the expense of an independent Palestine. BTW, except for Jordan no Palestinian refugees have been given citizenship status in other Arab countries (for over 75 years). These actions imply that the other Arab nations have no real loyalty to Palestine and use it as a political ploy only for internal political reasons.
TRUTH
There lack of being given citizenship is because those countries believe that they should have the right to return to the land the Israelis stole in 1948
Why should arab countries take the palestinians in? Palestina is their country.
@@user-cy4wj5ds2o Call the land by its real name, Judaea.
@@user-cy4wj5ds2o - Yeah? so how come they said nothing in 1948? From 1948 to 1967 the Palestinians did not establish a state when Jordan and Egypt ruled over Judea and Samaria and Gaza. they never said a word like occupation. know why? Because it was an Arab conquest of a Muslim country. It was only when the Jews occupied the place in the war of existence that the Arabs got angry and started creating blood plots that Jews get up in the morning and look for people to murder them, just like that, like Dracula. The Palestinians never established a state here and when they were offered 80 percent (1947) they said no. The Jews prayed to Jerusalem for thousands of years, built Solomon's temple there 2500 years before Muhammad was born and Zion (Zionisem came from zion) - the ancient name of Jerusalem is mentioned 150 times in the Torah as the place God chose for his people, Israel. Maybe read about it, a little general knowledge won't hurt you. Also read about the attack on Petah Tikva and Al Husseini, you don't have enough knowledge
During the Naqba, you forget to tell that at the same time, 800.000 Jewish people who were established into Arab countries such as Algeria Irak Tunisia Egypt Marocco Syria and Jordan had to flee the threat of persecution. They left their homes too, and lost everything they had to move essentially to Israel. So that compensates. Do they have the right of return ?
Sure, they have the right to return. Much of the persecution was in response to the persecution of the Palestinians by the Zionist movement.
Yess you said......these idiots want to make their land free of other religions and make western countries influx with...olaa Uber..
Let's take an example Saudi. , UAE , Qatar their own citizens don't have the right to convert to any other religion
Actually Saudi Arabia is a very big country but. They will never accept these Palestinians into their country
@@user-mm3ie1dm1l and also Egypt ! But it’s crazy because it’s the same people ! There is no difference between Arabs from Egypt and from Gaza, same language same genes same culture same religion same history except the past 70 years..
There are several important facts left unsaid in this summary. Let’s consider two. Firstly, the British Mandate for Palestine (1920-48) consisted of land on both sides of the Jordan:: west (“Jews allowed”) and east (“Jews excluded”). The eastern half was three times as large, and allegedly of higher quality land for agriculture. Secondly, in 2005 Israel disengaged from Gaza. Within two years HAMAS was in power, and has de facto been the responsible authority there until now. Neither of these two important facts are discussed in the al-Jazeera report.
Wait until they figure out what Hamas did to the PLO once they got into power.
Ofcourse not😂 what if they something that could hurt Hamaz
Of course not...
@@yang8244 bro what did you expect it's al jazeera
Because they are not important. It's all distraction and rhetoric to avoid the inevitable truth, that a lasting peace can only be accomplished by a 1 State Solution.
Everything else is just whining, complaining, and foot dragging.
The video ignores an important point. While the term “Palestine” is used today to describe what became Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip, at the time of the British Mandate, Palestine also included what is now Jordan. In 1922 Britain detached 78% of Palestine to become the Arab/Palestinian state of Trans-Jordan (now Jordan), and the League of Nations declared that the remaining portion should become a Jewish state (only later did Britain and then the UN decide to further divide the remaining portion into two parts). So it’s not very accurate to state that Israel had 78% of Palestine in 1948. In reality it had 15%.
It also seems a little suspect that the video qualifies the count of 1,200 killed Israelis after October 7 with, “That’s according to the Israeli authorities” but does not qualify the count of killed Palestinians as being supplied by Gaza's Ministry of Health. Nor does it mention that that number does not differentiate between civilians and combatants. I’m not disputing either number, but it does indicate some level of bias.
So today n now howmuch zionnazzi izraeli occupying d land of palestine n all !?still 15 %%%...wot qbout palestine!?hwmuch d they remainin land on their hands !??...
because the palestinian count has been verified by other organisations. anyway its about the future. too much obsessing for both of them on the past. 90/10 split is not fair and wont be accepted. its been 100 years. just split it in half, but israel would never accept that
Palestine was an area not a state, just like Africa. Just because someone takes the name of the area they live in doesn't mean it's theirs. The the archaeological record shows Jewish occupation in the majority of Israel.
As if that justified the partition, people migrating there and kicking people out of their homes
There is currently no Palestinian organization that does not support terrorism that receives the support of more than 30 percent of the Palestinians. For this reason, a two-state solution, at least for now, is simply irrelevant.
Hopefully someday Israelis and Palestinians will be able to live in peace and tranquility. Pray for peace
and Jesus back when it happen
There will NEVER be peace in the Middle East.
But don't forget: _nothing fails like prayer._
thanks stan
I have Palestinian friends who love living in Israel currently.
She kept saying there was a war multiple times without stating who started the war. If you declare war on a country and the country fights back and wins, including extra land, the land belongs to them. That is simple to understand. Also, Hamas did not automatically end up controlling Gaza. There was a civil war, and Hamas sent the Abas party/faction out of Gaza with guns. You are so economical with the truth.
Ah, zionist revisionism, you hasbara trolls are delusional.
I have no opinion on most of what you said, but the United Nations explicitly states that you cannot conquer land by war. Even if you're defending. Hitler sort of illustrated the problems with that. Just wanted to correct you on that point. In no legal way does the land belong to Israel unless we throw out the rules-based order we've spent 70 years building. The rest of this is a mess, but that part is absolutely crystal clear, without a doubt. And almost the entire world including Israel's allies agree with that statement.
People have stood on conquered land and said, “This is mine,” literally throughout all human history.
This is aljassira what else you expect? Qatar sponsor hamas
Right. Typical Al Jazeera news, carefully crafting a narrative that avoids inconvenient truths. She never mentions who attacked first, just that a war somehow mysteriously began. I wonder why… also she totally leaves out the persecution of Jews in the Middle East/North African diaspora and their claim to their indigenous homeland - even though they comprise the majority of Israelis, she only mentions migration of European Jews to Israel. Further she gives in depth explanations featuring these other talking heads defending Palestinian violence against Israelis - but when it comes to the reverse, she just essentially blames Israeli nationalism without going into detail.
My understanding directly from Dennis Ross, is that Arafat rejected the best deal he was ever going to get. 97% of the green line territory, plus 3% compensating land in Israel, capital in East Jerusalem, etc. Arafat responded with an Intifada. Israel electing right-wingers was a response to this. The electorate had voted for peace-makers until the process failed. For there to be any hope, the Israeli public needs to believe there is a partner for peace; which they don’t. Israel could evacuate many of the settlements; I don’t think that’s the sticking point some believe. It’s the fact, especially after Oct 7th, that the populations don’t trust each other at best, and hate each other at worst. And until there is a functioning government in the West Bank and Gaza, there really isn’t anybody even to talk to.
Honestly the best solution may be for Egypt to administer Gaza and Jordan to administer parts of the West Bank for a generation or two until a generation can be brought up who believes in peaceful co-existence.
Alas, Jordan and Egypt have zero interest in taking on that project. Jordan has a bad history with the Palestinians trying to overthrow their government, and is glad to have a border between them and the West Bank. Egypt feels similarly about Gaza - with Hamas being strongly connected to the Muslim Brotherhood which is fighting the Egyptian government. To administer the territories, they would need to militarily occupy them, and fight the same struggles that Israel is fighting - but with a less robust economy to support their forces.
I do understand your point tho - it would be a possible solution im some areas, if only it would work in these other areas, which it unfortunately does not.
Nobody wants the Palestinians because they are untrustworthy and a problem in every way.They teach hatred in schools and praise terrorists as martyrs.
There is currently no Palestinian organization that does not support terrorism that receives the support of more than 30 percent of the Palestinians. For this reason, a two-state solution, at least for now, is simply irrelevant.
@@tani123 I take your point. And I am curious - which Palestinian organization has even 30% support while not supporting terrorism?
After the destruction wrought on Gaza, it will be hard to find Palestinians who believe in peaceful coexistence after ten generations, let alone two.
I get that Israel's response to Palestine is exessive, and that perhaps the Arab nations and the West should do more to further a two state solution. The truth is that Israelis are not going anywhere and Palestinians are not either. I think this video's title was strategically used to bait watchers into watching it. It does bother me everytime they claim Israel has not accepted a two state solution simply because reasons. Israel does not want that constant threat of being attacked. Look at what happened with the PLO, it is useless now. Hamas has gained control of Palestine until the recent war. Israelis understand that Palestine is not truly ready to become a state, not if it has no real peaceful leadership. At this point, I get that it is hard to start fresh with all the massacres that have taken place. The problem is that Israel is not going anywhere, and Palestinians deserve a better life. Perhaps a buffer de-militarized zone is required, something in between Israel and Palestine. Perhaps Israelis should move out of the occupied territories as a sign of respect. There is much room for improvement. Israelis should admit that they don't think highly of Palestinians at all, and that retaliations are often brutal to say the least. Palestinians should also realize that Israel is not stupid enough to grant a two state solution to a place run by unlawfull people to say the least. There is a lot of lying and bs on both sides, including this news media and the cute host.
Everytime i hear, let's talk about two state solution. I'm like let's "talk what rights did Britain have to give away someone else's country to European atheists, they don't want in their own countries"!
absolutely right.
@@user-uv9tl4jt8w Never. Even before the Ottoman Turks, it was ruled by the Mamluks (non-Arab former slaves), then the Ayyubids (Kurdish), then the Crusaders. The land hasn't even been ruled by Arabs for a millennium, let alone a Palestinian state.
Palestine people lived there for past 2000 years. Go to school to read some history @@user-uv9tl4jt8w
@@user-uv9tl4jt8w that denial has shown how Israeli bots brought up Israeli Jews argument. At this point, I'm curious why the German kicked these people out. Oh wait, or the European Jews are such selfish against the Germans so that they had to do something about it. Feel free to call out the anti-Semitic anytime you can't think of anything creative. None is going to work nowadays.
@@shehannanayakkara4162your own version of story😅😅😅😅
Imagine taking 78% yet wanted to negotiate the remaining 22%...Is Israel ok?
I agree. After the 60's war, Israel should have claimed all of the land as Israel and encapsulated all Palestinians as Israel permanent residents under equal laws for all. They would have been able to better police terrorists, control what Palestinian kids are being taught, and this dual society of inequality would not have existed.
America doing .
@@cocofluff But palestinians are more in numbers. That would mean they can elect their own leader by voting. That would cease the very existence of jewish state.
Palestinians owend 8% of the land in 48. That is why the un was generous with them and offered them 50% of the land. Only that Palestinians said no and now have nothing.
@@cocofluffexcept It stops being a Jews only country and they become a minority in their own country. Not going to fly with Israelis at al
This was a two state solution at one time. But the Arab states did not like it and invaded Israel. And they kept doing this. The Arab states do not seem to want a two state solution. The seem to want to have a one state solution: no Israel. It has been this for 75 years now. When will the Arab states stop blaming Israel and start to look at their end of the deal?
Correct , but I need to add that there was a Jewish state thousands of years ago. It is the only Jewish state in the world.
watch the video. They might have rejected initially (which they had the right to, if I invade your home and offer to split it 57% and 43% you would reject it) but in the end they did agree to it per the 1967 border, but Israel wants all.
@@entertainment-mj1rv There was no invasion. The split was mostly based on the concentration of the people: Israel with the mostly Jewish communities, the rest Arab. Of course the non-biased commentator forgot to mention that the 57% of the land was mostly in the southern part of what is now Israel, which is a desert. The Arab portion contained most of the arable land in the divided region.
@@jaydiddly1106 it was illegal occupation. The land was few percent jews but over a couple of decades European jews with the help of british overtook the land. Changing the demographics. Remember the British had to right to give someone elses inhabited land to someone else. But unforetunately the british have a tendency to do this everywhere, Asia, Africa, South America etc...
The problem seem to be, who controls Jerusalem. What has Islam to do with Jerusalem other than they once conquered the land.
If al jazeera is making a documentary on historic census of who lived on the land, they should make a similar one for kashmir too
No. They are pushing for two states which is GAZA and WESTBANK from the river to the sea.
@@arielcombalicer8118 That is everything.
Then They will be exposed. I am not taking any side here but clearly they are trying to show Israel on the wrong side. Now we can understand if they do a documentary on kashmir which side they will take
And Pakistan
And for Balochistan
The Cherokee nation could tell you a bit a bout a "two state "solution
There is currently no Palestinian organization that does not support terrorism that receives the support of more than 30 percent of the Palestinians. For this reason, a two-state solution, at least for now, is simply irrelevant.
@@tani123 And who is responsible for the lack of governance in the occupied territories? Over the history of the state of Israel they have made every effort to undermine any development of an effective Palestinian governance. Much like we have done to our First Nations people here in the US. We have our own kind of "settlers" here.
What a foolish mistake it was not to accept the initial partition. What an even more foolish mistake to then try to invade Israel immediately after the rejection of the partition.
Wasn’t as simple! The war was going into happen anyway Israel had already prepared it military backed by powerful allies.
Yeah, the Arabs made a big boo boo in rejecting the UN partition where they would have ended up with more land then they did after the 1948 war. That said, I doubt it would have resulted in a lasting peace.
Thats pointless Israel had zero intention of respecting any partionand had Plan D the entire time they had every intention of removing Arabs from Palestine they smuggled weapons in for years. The west never intervened because it benefited them politically to have European Settlers there its a strategic position.
dont talk about politics if you dont know anything about it
@@mohammadalhashmi6080 Show me how these actions were not foolish. By the immediate consequences, I think it is clear - all this video did was make me feel bad for the Palestinians because their leadership even since 1948 (and their exploitation by other countries) has been awful.
She didn't mention that Palestinians fled because Arab leaders commanded to leave, not because Israelis would expel them. Arabs who staid are living in Israel now and are Israeli citizens.
Your information is wrong. Where did you learn that?
@@acmulhern Let's agree to disagree. Certainly not on Zionism conspiracy propaganda made started by Soviet and Arab propaganda. There are many official sources: "The existence of these refugees is a direct result of the Arab States' opposition to the partition plan and the reconstitution of the State of Israel. The Arab states adopted this policy unanimously and the responsibility of its results, therefore is theirs; ...The flight of Arabs from the territory allotted by the UN for the Jewish state began immediately after the General Assembly decision at the end of November 1947. This wave of emigration, which lasted several weeks, comprised some thirty thousand people, chiefly well-to-do-families." - Emil Ghoury, secretary of the Arab High Council, Lebanese daily Al-Telegraph, 6 Sept 1948
@@acmulhern Let's agree to disagree. Certainly not from Zionist conspiracy propaganda spread by the early Soviet Union and arabs. Plenty of information on that in newspapers from newspapers around 1948. I can't post links on youtube.
Start by looking for an answer on Quora, not some hysterical media. Look for "Is it true that in 1948 Arab leaders urged Arabs to leave Israel, and not to return until they defeated Israel (which never happened), whereas the Jews urged many of the Arabs to stay (and those who did have done well in Israel)?"
You are absolutely right. Follow Singapore way of government. One state, one parliament represented by both parties. One nation one people united to focus on trade and national development for all people.
Seriously! It is one of the most strategically situated areas in the World, it could be a powerhouse if the two sides didn't war. However, even if every Palestinian laid down arms, Israelis would not lay down theirs: they keep theirs to turn on themselves if they view it necessary, it is a barbaric practice by humans today 😢
Gazans (and Jihadi Palestinians generally) don’t seem to have a constructive bone in their national body. So that will never work.
Haven't the political entities of the PA and hamass repeatedly rejected, for whatever reasons, proposed two-state solutions? The only rational choice is peaceful coexistence but that option seems to be consistently rejected by the Palestinian authorities. What to do?
Ignorant,
PLO recognised Israel
@@hamoda3191 PLO isn't the PA. They're still calling Israel the "entity".
The United States can impose a 1 State Solution with both parties weighing in on the details.
Nobody cares weather South Africa would be ruled by white or black South Africans. The only concern is ending the Apartheid system.
Whatever becomes of the land and the people in the future is irrelevant. And really just an excuse to delay the 1 State Solution.
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Al Jazeera never mentions :-
a) 1922 Ottoman empire collapsed
b) Israel's security : Golan Heights & Jordan heights
c) 1947 Israel declare a state, but Palestine wait till 1988 : why ?
Because in 1948 the Mufti looked to Damascus
In 1967 the PLO looked to Cairo Arab League Nasser
Al Jazeera paints a very, very biased picture.
UAE good Dubai gone???...go Dubai...
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.الله غير موجود❌
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الله غير موجود.
@@Wilson5768
UNRECOGNIZE those who do not recognize others...
UNRECOGNIZE those who do not recognize the law....
Such an act is not difficult, complex or complicated ....
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Can you see that huge black triangle next to gaza in the partition plan of Palestine? Its called the Negev desert and it is qlmost impossible to live in. The Palestinians didnt want it.
That is why the Israel got "more" land than Palestine in the initial partian plan.
How does one negotiate with a party that says you must go away (completely, do not exist anymore)?
Isn't that kinda both sides in this dispute?
No, because Palestinians live peacefully in Israel. I know many Palestinians, who love living in Israel currently. However, Israelis cannot live peacefully in Palestinian areas. Let’s not forget this.
@@kornykorhorn it is interesting how Palestinians can live in Israeli areas peacefully . . . BUT no Israeli can safely live in any Palestinian area safely. That fact kind of says it all.
@@MultiCconway yeah cuz Palestinians only have 22% to live and out of that also, a lot is housed by Israelis
@@brokenrecord3095 Not when one side can trace its claim to the land all the way back to Ancient Times before the birth of Christ. Volumes of archeological evidence proves it every day.
This is the most polite but overly elaborate way to say: "A look at this FUBAR map partitioning forcing people who hate each other to live next to each other and then let's act surprised when they can't be peaceful"
This is never going to end.
I heard the Almighty cursed this land.
Excellent video. Almost 100yrs if history condensed and explained in a clear and simple way. Now, there’s nothing simple about this problem, which in essence comes down to human trauma, and carries a tone of historical emotions. To Israelies and Palestinians, it’s time to leave the past behind and move into the future. Both sides will have to give up something in exchange for peace. The question for their leaders is precisely that. Do you want peace, or prefer the warring status quo.
We want a free Palestine. You can't disturb them in their homes
You mean like arabs do in Europe?
Do you people really no the land that Empire of Roman rename to be Palestine? Israel,Jordan and part of Syria. So tell me
@@PapiiAloyeyou begged for shelters, palestine gave you, and in reeturn you ingrate have done something which is unprecedented. You are complete inhuman and ingrates.
@@Chaim_Stern which is your land? The kingdom of Israel or Judah? His king David,Saul and Solomon Palestinian or Hebrew? Making them Jewish
You realise the only realistic free palestine is Gaza + West Bank only right?
A 2 State Solution has always just been a talking point for Western Politicians.
Excellent, there will be a 0 state solution for the Palestinians
@@user-wm5rt9pw5lExactly. There's no other way round it. The jews are not just going to pack up and leave. Two states is the only way to fix this.
so then whoever wins wins
Our politicians know that this is a predominately Christian nation. That's why Trump is playing with Bibles. They know they can't split Israel. It's not going to sit well in America.
No, they idea was that if there was going to be lasting peace, that the two people that live there would and should work it out for themselves. And that is part of the reason as to why it has become cliché. Because if a nation or group of people can be liked unto a person, than both persons here can’t act like adults and one of those has the backing of the US which feels religious compelled to back them.
So, who started these wars? What happened to start them? What is the history in Gaza? Was there a war between Hamas and the PLA? What happened during that? You missed a lot out.
she left out every part of the story where the arabs attacked first
Out of curiosity. If it was to turn out to be a one state solution, would you rather it be controlled by Israel/Democracy or Palestinians? If those were the only two options.
I believe as a Palestinian that the Jews should be very happy that the Palestinian people agree to a two state solution, as we all know that the land belongs to the Palestinian people.
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ummm given the current situation I think it's the Palestinians who should be 'very happy' if Israel agrees to a two state solution. Which, after Oct 7th, will NEVER happen.
Now the power of colonialism, apartheid and occupation with its powers in the UN has been revealed and still being tried to be enforced, it's obvious that there should be only one state of Palestine whom were there under the Ottomans and jews were shipped!!! to join them. Zionism as israelies are the base, is not a concept acceptable and who'd want a neighbor as israel???? who hates, despises arabs yet surrounded by ONLY middle eastern countries??? One state of free Palestine from river to the sea is the only solution so these repeated apertheid and mass murders come to a halt!!! Isn't it why US, UK, Germany, France is trying their most to accomplish with their aid so Israel so it can stay??? Their colors are obvious and we the world people seen enough! One Palestine, free, from river to the sea✊️🇵🇸☮️🇵🇸
@@cocofluff
How about what's happening from 1948 on Palestinian land???????????
You aren't Palestinian.
Palestinnians are the ones fighting NOW, and dying for their land.
In 1977, PLO leader Zuheir Mohsen said "The Palestinian people does not exist ... there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese. We are all part of one people, the Arab nation [...] Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. The existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons". They came up with the "Palestinian" identity in the 1960s in order to justify why Arabs receiving some 99.3% (Peel Commission) or 98.1% (UN Partition) of the lands of the British and French mandates was not enough, and that Jews shouldn't get anything despite being in the majority in the lands designated in both plans.
Do you have any source for this information?
In 1776, leader George Washington said "The american people does not exist ... there is no difference between Germans, English, Italians, and Irish. We are all part of one people, the European nation [...] Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our american identity. Because it is of national interest for the europeans to advocate the existence of america to balance british imperialism. The existence of a separate american identity exists only for tactical reasons". They came up with the "american" identity in the 1700s in order to justify why Europeans receiving some 99.3% or 98.1% of the lands of the British and French mandates was not enough, and that british shouldn't get anything despite being in the majority in the lands designated in both plans
Europeans are all part of one body are they not? Hence we have a European Union????
@@icysaracen3054As Darwin has already said: all humans belong to one and the same race. So Europeans are, no matter whether theist or not, whether Russian or not, whether poor or not, whether Chinese or not, whether African or not, whether Indian or not... , part of one body, e.g. the celestial body which we call in English, the Solar System.
@@daskalospapas1883 As a United States citizen I think you need to study American history better. My own ancestors fought in the American revolution, and it was to gain our independence from England and become a free and independent nation. France helped us do that. We always thought of ourselves as American's and not Europeans. Our ancestors are from all over the world and not just Europe. America is the melting pot of the world. Maybe you are just joking.
This was excellent. A very clear and comprehensive explanation. Thank you.
How about a 3 state solution... The 3rd is a in-between buffer zone where both can enter and cooperate .. this would provide a bigger barrier too
If the State of Israel could be created out from nothing, what's the difficulty with formalising Palestinian ownership over their own lands and recognized by the UN?
It ignores realities on the ground and displaces some 700k people and no one is even sure who would rule it and ensure security. Also by "right of return" The Palestinians in Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon want into Israel proper thats always been a big sticking point Israel refuses and the Palestinians demand.
Palestinians lost that right after two wars and countless terrorist attacks. You win the war, you take the land. That's how war works. You don't hand over the land to the losers. There is no return to those old UN lines. Too much has happened since then.
Israel is already exist for 2,000 years!.
pretty sure we got jordan for that
The Palestinians never said yes to that. Israelis tried a bunch of times.
Nonsense. If someone stole my land, I wouldn't want half back, I want all back.
They've been trying and losing for 75 years. You want them to keep trying and dying forever? Because Israel isn't going anywhere. If anything it's Palestinians who may soon find themselves not living in Gaza at all.
That's exactly what Israel wants, though. Maximalist goals against a more powerful enemy leads to that enemy just seizing more and more territory.
Did Jews live on these lands, yes or no? And I'm not talking about thousands of years ago, I'm talking about the beginning of the 20th century.
@@lif6737that's the plan the zionists had from the start, you're spot on .
@@cocofluff You only need to win once....
When I listen to this video clip and read the mostly angry and unconciliatory comments from all sides here, I come, as an agnostic, to the conclusion, that the problem are the religions invented by men who simply wanted some rules for people to live orderly and good-neighborly lives, but these inventors failed to foresee that other men would use their well-intended inventions to harm others. So, after thousands of years of a clear demonstration that religions failed to produce positive results for peace, we probably ought look to better solutions, don't you think?
Yes. It is possible, but everyone has to respect the other side’s right to self-determination. And right now many don’t.
I would like to point out for the original partition plan: a large degree of the land allocated to Israel is desert. As in, unsuitable for actual development.
Perhaps that should have been mentioned.
I agree that we already have a one state and what is needed is to fix it by ending discrimination and apartheid.
Wouldn't work - ziyonsists are too jenow cidal insan.e.
I agree, but after Oct 7th that will be impossible. There is too much hatred on both sides and they don't see each other as human now, let alone equal.
@cocofluff true, it is hard to imagine but it is not impossible. The slavery was end, S.A. apartheid was ended. German French wars ended. And most parties to conflicts are accomodating each other. If we don't try we will never know.
@@cocofluffit will be impossible because the abuse and stealing has consistently continued. Total disrespect
@@cocofluff There are 2 million Arabs living in Israel. How many Jews live in Gaza?
It's all well and good for the US, the UN, the Arabic League, or anyone else to call for a permanent cease fire and/or two states, but realistically, there simply isn't enough support for either idea on the part of Israelis and Palestinians, no matter who mediates, no matter who encourages, no matter what is proposed.
2:58 "The growing Jewish population led to growing tension with the local Arab population, the Palestinians" Wrong. Local Arabs were not at this time known as Palestinians. This was a term for all the people living in Palestine including the Jews.
3:10 "A British commission suggested partitioning the land, but there was no support for the idea." Wrong. Jews wholehearted supported partitioning Palestine and accepted a state much smaller that modern Israel that did not include Jerusalem even thought this was considered a major concession. The "Zion" of Zionism is Jerusalem. Arabs rejected this plan and instead attacked the small Jewish community hoping to prevent any Jewish state from ever forming.
5:01 "[The Green Line is] is the internationally recognised borders of Israel." Wrong. This is a ceasefire line, not a border. Though Israel has signed peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan, borders were not agreed to in those treaties. Israel agreed to withdraw from the Sinai peninsula, Egypt renounced claims to Gaza, and Jordan renounced claims to all lands west of the Jordan River. The West Bank and Gaza thus became Israel's occupied territories captured in defensive wars with their status to be determined at a future date.
5:17 "There was another war. Israel pushed out Jordan and Egypt." Nice passive tense. I think you meant to say that Egypt, Jordan, and Syria attacked Israel unprovoked with the intention of wiping Israel off the map, massacring the Jews, and dividing up its territory amongst themselves. They failed miserably.
7:36 "Israel takes the 78%, puts it in its pocket and then negotiates over the remaining 22%". Wrong. Israel agreed to territorial concessions and land swaps that included giving Palestinians territory west of the Green Line. Arafat rejected these agreements.
13:16 "Once you're not ready to freeze the settlements, you give the message that you don't agree to a Palestinian state." Only if you accept the premise that Jews should not be allowed to live in a future Palestinian state. Only the Palestinians have bought into this racist, apartheid idea.
14:44 "There haven't been elections since that vote in 2006." Again, obfuscating with passive voice. The Palestinian Authority has refused to hold elections even though their constitution requires them. Palestinian rulers are not interested in democracy, nor in creating a state to govern because they have gotten rich through the conflict with Israel and by stealing international aid intended for Palestinian "refugees".
16:13 "Israel is politically, economically, diplomatically, internationally and obviously militarily totally dependent on the United States." Israel won its wars in 1948, 1967 and 1973 without U.S. military assistance. For much of that time, the U.S. refused to sell weapons to Israel. Only a quarter of Israel's trade is with the U.S. It does more business with the EU, and also counts China and India as major trading partners.
17:45 "Hamas's position [on the two-state solution] is less clear." They're very clear. In 2020, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh said, "We will not recognize Israel, Palestine must stretch from the River to the Sea." That means no Israel. They have also repeatedly stated that Jews should be killed wherever they live. Hamas is unequivacally a fascist, genocidal terrorist group. They've proven it over and over in word and deed. When will people believe them?
18:05 "[Israeli] officials from the Prime Minister down have repeatedly rejected [a two-state solution]". Then is should be possible to find a quote from and actual Israeli government minister instead of an ambassador to the UK that has been clumsily edited to take it out of context.
19:35 "Human rights groups describe as apartheid." Wrong. Israel does not practice apartheid. Israeli Arabs have the same rights as every other Israeli and serve at all levels of Israeli society and government including in parliament and the Supreme Court.
All of these lies are not surprising from the official mouthpiece for Qatar, a state providing refuge and support to Hamas terrorists.
Some correct points here, but the last two are just clear bias and you have to be a special type of deluded to deny a clear statemnt and a clear aparthied state. Also yes to the first point? Jews and Arabs are now viewed as seperate in this conflict, cause most jews in Palestine are zionist colonial settlers from Europe.
When you present the partition map from the UN with 56% to the Jews, you forget to tell that the Negev desert lies for 90% in the Jewish part. So that the inhabitable land would then be largely in the Muslim part. Your numbers 56/43 are misleading.
I mean the hole thing is cleverly crafted propaganda with them no saying who started the wars, the terror attacks between the wars and so on. It shows palestine in a good light and israel in a bad one.
The best example would be the beginning were they establish the history and jump over the fact that the jews were there first with kind david and instead only speak about the arabic histotical claim or the jumping of the first intifada strted by palestines or not cleary saying at any point that the palestines used sucide bomber against israel during the second antifafa
For 11 percent of the population say maybe 25% in 48 whats the problem? They got the area they inhabitanteD at the time we dont live in biblical Times they should never of been given anything. The reason Israel won even in 48 was weapons & funding ftom the USA & UK. Jews were welcome in Palestine the problemwas they wanted the land entirely as well as other areas of the mid east.
You forgot that the population of Palestine was double of that of israel
@@amaannanji3113 population of Palestine = Jews + Arabs + Christians. You mean Arabs ? Yes they were 2 times more than the Jews in 1940, but infinite time less in 50 BC, when, in Palestine, there were only Jews and Arabs didn’t exist yet… ;)
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What a peace of ignorance that shows you're Israeli
Palestine was only jewish ?
That only means you mothfs came from a land on Iran and Iraq borders and imposed your religion on Canaanites but guess what you're ignrant that didn't happen
I have never understood this 2 state solution question. The 2 states and their borders are given in UN Resolution 181, to try and steal land from Palestine because you have occupied it for 50 years is a WAR CRIME.
The arabs did not accept the 1947 partition
It was under Ottoman Empire then to British Empire after they defeated the Ottoman in World War 1.
Strange - I fear you may be confusing conquered land and stolen land - every time Israel conquered land it was when Arabs attacked 1st - and lost on repeated occasion - heck, Israel could've conquered a heck of a lot more - and didn't. Have a problem w conquered land? Then you'd have a problem w just about every country.
Israel won wars only with the weapons and funding from the most powerful country on the planet
This resolution was an attempt to establish boundaries by law so that they would not be drawn in blood. The reason for this resolution is the abandonment of these territories by Britain. You are either ignorant or a vegetable.
It's called Israel, the name before the Romans renamed it Palestina. And it’s written in the Bible, the book explicitly named in the Qur'an.
And that helps how?..
The name of the land was Judea though
bash a book so loud you cant hear the 20,000 kids murdered
@@azahel542 Judea was one of the two jewish kingdoms in the region, the other being Israel, which used to also include Judea. Both were client states of Babylonia, until Israel revolted and was basically destroyed, their population exiled across the empire. The reason the land was called Judea is that that was the name of the kingdom that survived.
So yeah, it was the name before the romans made up palestina - there was just another name between and both are still jewish names.
It seems obvious when you start war and lose, you lose territory
Palestinians would be lucky to get anything at this point
Hasn't worked this way since WW2. Wars for conquest are against international law.
May Allah help our Palestinians brothers & sisters
@@Tyronepowerful, neither has the Christian god, or any other god for that matter. Could it be that EVERYONE is wrong, and we should be dealing with the things we can ACTUALLY see and touch? Not just, at best, man-made recounts that are deeply skewed, or at worst, fairy tales?
Romans 10:9 KJV
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
May Allah help anyone involved in the conflict
Leave Allah alone, he is too bust BBQ EVIL
So...the original war against Israel was started by the Arab world. Only to get punched in the face. More than once. With Palestinians being caught in the cross-fire. Yet someone seriously thinks a god might help?
one of the problems is, that the arabs don't want a jewish state in their Dar al Islam. They have 7 millions km² of land and they dont want to let even 30 000 km² to the jews. They prefer the jews llike dhimmis.
I think, that that describes very good their mentality.
About 800 000 jews had to leave the arab countries after the foundation of Israel.
About 800 000 arabs had to leave theirs homes after being told by their chiefs to leave the country, so that those chiefs can push the jews to the sea.
And you dont have to forget that those 800 000 arabs came mostly from the other arabs countries. Irak, Jordanie, Egypt, Syria.. You can see this, by looking at their names.
They come to Israel, for they hoped to have a better live there, I imagine.
That's why it is much safer to place the jewish people in Christian country.
800k Jewish people did leave the neighbouring countries, but to say that they "had" to is a misunderstanding of the events at the time. The majority of Jewish migrations into Palestine, now Israel, was voluntary emigration for the purposes of consolidation, in an expectation that they had finally been successful in their divine promise. By contrast, the expulsions of Palestinian people is nowhere to be found in the Hebrew texts.
In other words it was a choice to move. I'm sure not all had hostile intentions, but the establishment had hostile ramifications, which has never quelled since.
1. Well actually it was 55% for the arabs and 45% for the jews, and after the arabs rejected the offer, they started the attack on the jews. Later, the arab nations joined the attack against the jews.
2. You have to mention the fact that before 48, the jews were called Palestinians too...and before this land was called palestine, its name was "judeah" and it was a jewish kingdom...
There is only Palestine and forever Palestine🇵🇸
there is no such thing as a palestinian state.
Jordan is Palestine
Palestin is Jordan the population is 70% palestinians ,Jordan kings were brought from Saudi Arabia.
@@hahdakdahkdhalsla maybe america should give back its whole country to the natives if that's the case.
I mean we xan modify it to other name. It doesn’t matter what name they choose but living ppl side by side without violence in dignity is what matters most. Right to return and safe heaven for jews too. We can’t pour tax payers money for useless money and the project which breaks international law.
Please remove the background noise. It's disturbing.
The disturbing part is someone thinks it's a good idea.
@@robinhood4640 Yes, but that's why we feed back. ☺
For Aljazeerah the two state solution contemplates one State in the Land - Palestine and the other in the Sea - Israel. Very durable peace!
Your bias was subtle and your commentary well done. It gives rise to hope. But, as with all contentious issues, the real meaning of the terms used is critical. Dispensing with the unreality of a "two-state solution" is a good start. Pursuing a Palestinian "stake" in the Nation of Israel is a voice that can be heard. But before that can be a reality Palestinians must agree that the "stake" they pursue is not a stake through the heart of Israel. Palestinians must reject terror. That cannot happen until terror as a force for change is utterly defeated.
Putting tribes of people who don’t want to live together together is not a solution. Take a look at Africa, as an African we have civil wars and tribalisms . One tribe governing and making laws that will affect others. Two state solution a necessity
if you dont lke israel go to Jordan, lebanon, egypt, syria, iraq, yemen, saudi, etc....
hmm 2m Arabs in Israel out of a population of 7m
@@jdcarling and if you don't like Israel then go to america and all the western countries that israel has on a leash
Informative
Ok, 1967 “Israel pushed out” … no mention of what war that was??? Sketchy doc. Didn’t Egypt begin going back on their word and the reason why the war started.
My understanding is that Israel fired the first shot in the Six-Day War.
At the end of the day they won the war and that land became theirs.. it s like if you were asking Poland to give back the land they gained from Germany after WW2
Someone tell me why Israel was recognised by the UN but not Palestine
Jews existed in Isreal even before islam came into existence 500 years after Christianity, whole Israel belongs to the jews ... No two states solutions...only Israel the Holy Land of David ✝️🇮🇱✡️🕎
Because Israel controls the area. And palestine does not.
Because the UN is an illegitimate zionist baby 😂
Back in 1949 the UN only had 58 member, most of Africa and Asia were still colonies. Australia, New zealand, South Africa, Republic of China and most countries in the Americas voted in favour to admit Israeil, even the Soviet union, Ukrainian and Byelorussian SSR voted in favour, they have hopes Israel would become a socialist country. Only a handful of muslim majorities countries and India voted against. Palestine at the time was divide between Egypt and Jordan.
It's explained in the video, Israel accepted the partition and proclaimed a state in 1948. Palestine instead bet on the war and the 5 Arab states that invaded. Palestine didn't claim to be a state till Arafat while they where under Israel control.
How did the British came in control of that land far from Europe, what about the history of the people who were living there before the British's arrival and renaming of that land...
Palestine was controlled by the Ottoman Empire (Turkey) for hundreds of years but they were on the losing side in WWI. The League of Nations asked Britain to temporarily run the Palestine region while they worked out a strategy for permanent government and borders. This was called Mandated Palestine because the Brits were given a "mandate" to run the area.
Alright, I get when the British jumped in the story, thanks ...Can we rewind further back please, periods of 1st -2nd dominant empires of the world, we can even keep progressing up to the dominance of the Roman's empire to have a better undestanding of the regional conflicts&Claims
that's what you called, spoils of jihad
before that there is no United Nation, who win the war, have everything, the roman occupied Israel and took the land from the jews, Ottoman took the land of israel from the roman, and the British won the ww1 agaist ottoman, and gave back the land to Jews! that simple! Two state solution proposed because there are many arabs people been there since ottoman rule that area! the Arab nations against that! you can see wars after that up until now
Because POWER equals control. Period
I would like to know if it is possible to geographically split the land exactly in the middle so both ethnic groups can have access to the sea and an international airport for economic development and live in peace. Thank you for your attention.
"In 135 CE, after stamping out the province of Judea's second insurrection, the Romans renamed the province Syria Palaestina"
I'm confused who originally "stole" this land, Wouldn't the above quote mean the Palestinians are occupying Israel's land?
Lots of people in Israel thought it was possible and worked towards that end.
Unfortunately the Oct 7 event closed that possibility for the near and possibly far future.
I think you meant to say "the war crimes committed by the IOF in the wake of Oct 7". If Israelis really wanted a single state, they wouldn't have denied basic human dignity to the population of Gaza and the West Bank. I am not condoning the atrocities committed on Oct 7, but to pretend they happened in a vacuum and that Israel didn't create the circumstances which led to it is irresponsible and ignorant.
@@maxixe3143*IDF
@@maxixe3143💯💯
Yeah, there were two states until Oct 7
@@maxixe3143Think for a moment: if you really wanted that Palestinian State did oct 7 advance your cause or set it back tremendously? Also remember that Israel and the Israeli society is the more powerful of the two sides in every way possible (economy and military). So you would need them or a significant majority of them to come to the table for that free Palestinian state.
Wouldn't it be nice if all people could stop the hyperbole and focus on negotiating a secure agreement. Hopefully, the Arabs of Gaza will choose to be more like the UAE than Syria. Only then will these people be truly free.
Israelis should stop elect far right wing
I feel terrible for the state of Israel but at this juncture, we must accept their actions are morally questionable. The moment that Israel and its people supported the creation of settlements, Israel crossed a line. Understandably they probably followed the path of the US in its westward expansion, but history is not only on the books. History will not be kind to Israel at this point. This does not legitimize the actions of October 2023, but we must acknowledge that for every action, there is a reaction. Thus, the US and the world must rethink its support to Israel unless its government reconsiders a serious path where Palestinians are returned land or incorporated with the same rights of an Israel citizen.
Where is the 2 state solution in 'fron the river to the sea?
What is the use of a state if the leaders are corrupt and do not bring prosperity, security etc...
Ur right if can’t establish justice in Jerusalem the holy land Than u don’t deserve to rule it
@@ibrahimhamza5571 which one is better ruler Palestinians or Israel? For 75 years, Palestinians just did destruction, not giving any positive results to their people. 75 years for Israel make them one of the advanced nations in the world.
if Israel insists only a one state solution can work , then they must grant equal rights to all in this one state regardless of culture or creed, at present do Palestinians get to vote in the knesset ?
they are subject to its laws
No, it isn't possible . The Arabs showed on October 7th what they want to do to the Jews . The only 1 state is in Jordan where they have to go .
@@silvia-vm7fe can we agree on this , a section of the Palestinian community of millions , a few thousand , commited the acts of oct 7th , however the backlash is putting millions of lives at risk ,
escalation isnt good , what needs to happen is equality and fairness , this will of course require concessions but it is the way forward
@@silvia-vm7fe it is humans that create borders mainly but sometimes it is also geography , both people have the same desire , a land that stretches from the river to the sea
they can share it fairly but they must be treat equally
@@tomfinney3416when there was an agreement with Arafat there was an attempt to have open borders. Events forced construction of high walls and fences. Can both sides operate without violence
@@thegame7557 yes i think so , its the lack of ability to vote in who is govt be it israeli for palestine or palestinian for israeli , could they have one govt where each are accorded equal rights in who governs
israels knesset has diverse factions mostly over zionism ie pro or anti , they pass laws that affect every moment of not only israeli citizens but palestinians too
i only know a bit of each language , two words , same meaning
merhaba , shalom
Obviously it's completely different, but the Good Friday agreement specifically says that they're not trying to answer the Northern Ireland question, they just want the answer to come politically not violently
Mostly a good video. I was watching for bias and didn't see much, except for a couple instances. At 18:33, it's clear that the Israeli ambassador was cut off in the middle of her sentence and the subtitles indicated it was the end of a sentence, creating a misleading effect. It sounded like she was going to say "no unless" but I'm not sure. I also noticed at 16:39 that the figures for death tolls on Oct 7 and in Gaza were presented as "according to Israeli officials", but not as "according to Hamas officials." Finally, I noticed that though the Nakba and the Palestinians who were displaced during it were discussed, there was no discussion of the approximately equal number of Jews who were displaced from nearby Muslim-majority countries and who had to flee to Israel as refugees during the same time period. I think this is an important piece of information to include. But overall I found the video informative.
The whole two state solution idea was just arab lebensraum and dar al islam. Jordan, Syria, Egypt and Lebanon are the palestinian states. There is no difference between arabs in any of these countries and the palestinians. Genetically, culturally, religiously, culinarily, linguistically. They are one people as Zuheir Mohsen said in 1977. The word palestine doesn't exist in arabic. There is no p sound. The whole thing is immoral and illegitimate and the world's sublimated antisemitism. Conscious and unconscious.
F sound , hasbara
Create a state based on a religion.... Blames every critique of that state on anti-semitism.
This is pure nonsense in it's purest form. Conflating Israel with jews as you do is the actual anti-semitic argument because it boils an entire religion down to the actions of one tiny political nation state. That's extremely prejudiced and you don't even seem to realize it.
@@besimple4592 Except that the romans, who invented the term, used P, not F.
The extremists settlers should not abuse the Palestinians.
The settlers shouldn't settle
All of the settlers need to move
The romans mamluks caliphate and ottomans (now referred to as palestinian) should not have stolen israel's land nor should they be trying to take it back today.
@@jdcarlingI guess the Mongolians should take over Russia nd the Caananites should get Palestine, then
@@jdcarlingIsraelites should not have stolen the Canaanites land in the first place.
To have an agreement there usually needs to be a trust that both sides will honor that agreement, until this happens do not expect an agreement to occur.
There really isn’t two sides. No one is really advocating for Palestine legitimately, HAMAS operates in gaza but there’s no unified voice, that has actual influence in West Bank or gaza, and until countries like the US recognize Palestinian sovereignty, there will only ever be extremists and radicals, and no legitimate governance
Unfortunately, it was rejected by by the Arab authorities, within the western half of Palestine (now known as Israel, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank), the eastern half of Palestine (now known as Jordan) and among the Arab states around the region, all the way back in 1947.
In 1947 there was a 2 state set up. Arabs rejected the 2 state solution.
In 1948, Israel was attacked by it's 5 neighboring states, and beat them back, taking ground. The fukaround and find out cycle 1.
In 1973 Israel was attacked again leading to the state of affairs that we find ourselves in 2023. The fukaround and find out cycle 2.
In 2023 Isreal was attacked again, leading to the current conflict. The fukaround and find out cycle 3.
Hamas was voted into governmental power in Gaza, and has broad support (according to this video). What's happening to the people of Gaza is terrible but no worse that what happens to the Berliners who supported Hitlers wars in the 1930's and 40's. The fate of those people is heart breaking but is it the fault of the nation who's defending itself or the one who started the wars?
Why are you embedding fixed English subtitles in an English video?? Use CC!! This is unwatchable
I have to say that surprisingly this is more or less an accurate description of how the events have unfolded. I did not understand how from 500K Arab residents according to what I believe is the British records, there were 700K Arabs removed from the houses in a matter of years. But every number outside of the British records are always changing, and I get it. The reason why Palestinians never got a country has to do I believe, with their tendency to terror and violence together with the geographical location of the West Bank. Israel did not have a problem giving back Gaza. I don't believe even the settlements are an issue, they were originally set there as a defense line against Jordan. The problem is that Israel is supposed to trust the Arabs in the West Bank, that if they were to declare a country, they would not initiate an attack against Israel. Different from Gaza, such an attack will be more devastating because it is so close to Israel's nerve systems. And Israel never took that leap of faith, and the Palestinians only became more affiliated with Terror acts instead of showing any different side of them.
A great woman once said that "if the Palestinians lay down their arms, there would be no more war. If Israel lays down its arms, there will be no more Israel" 😢
Yes, because the I$rael came into action in this region with British-arms and till now backed by western arms especially USA's and Palestine fighting the war against occupation since the day one.
You don't exist without Arms at all ...., That's your story.
THIS.
There was no Israel without occupation, true.
They were settled, they were facilitated to capture in all ways , they were built to oppress the hosts forcefully...., It's really true there was no Israel without arms & there won't be any Israel without arms.
The woman is clearly very biased, since if Palestinians lay down their arms there will be no Palestinians at all in there and trust me, current Israel will see to it. They are used to shoot at unarmed people like it's their second nature.
golda meir?
Interesting video, but why do you keep misquoting the figures. In actual fact 77% of the British Mandate Palestine was given to the Hashemite dynasty to rule over and Israel were offered a portion of the remaining 23% only.
How articulately represent and so nicely you are. thanks for clear this matter
One thing here is that even an 'unjust' solution has merits for the losers if it's definitive. If hypothetically Palestinians had accepted, or been forced to accept, an even worse deal than they were offered in 1940s - say one that _just_ included Gaza. Well that would suck - millions would be displaced. It would be objectively a calamity for the Palestinian people.
But... now, 80 years on, almost everyone who was displaced would be dead, and it would be their grandchildren, most of whom would have no direct personal experience of living under Israeli occupation, in positions of power. Displaced Palestinians would have been given citizenship in the countries they fled to, intermarried with the local populace and now be 'Egyptians/Moroccans/Syrians with Palestinian heritage'. With a stable, immobile border and no drip of Israeli aggravations in the West Bank, groups in Gaza advocating for the armed reconquest of territory would likely be relatively fringe.
The total amount of Palestinian suffering caused by this dispute over land would be much reduced.
This isn't just an Israel/Palestine thing - it's true everywhere. Over the long-term, more unjust, but definitive and geopolitically workable, solutions are better than 'fairer' solutions that leave serious political issues unresolved to fester. If there is one thing to say for pre-20th century wars of conquest, they were relatively definitive.
It’s so sad and unfair. 😢
Imagine how Native Americans feel. Yet they have moved on from violence and demanding their land back.
Like the other guy said , also , life isnt fair.
fair or not, but they did that, we have a two state solution in Bosnia and Herzegovina.I wouldn't have survived here in occupied Sarajevo in the 90'.
I think it's pretty clear that neither side wants peace. Its unfortunate that so many non-combatants are caught in the middle of a situation that has no solution
For many years I think Israel genuinely wanted peace and tried to achieve it. They even unilaterally withdrew all citizens from Gaza. Now attitudes have changed and both sides have given up on the idea of peace.
Nice twoside-ism. You are an imbecile.
Israel wanted peace, they have been constantly attacked by people who want to see them dead
No, this is not correct, Israel is the ancestral home of the Jews. it is their only homeland. the Israelis always wanted peace and offered it to the Palestinians with Land, but the Palestinians want more and more and more it, and they are never happy. So this sounds like more of a one state solution to me. The Palestinians only want to have that Land they don’t wanna give it to Jews. This is evident throughout the whole of the history. The voices that are being drowned out, here are the Shah of Iran Who understood the Palestinian situation very very well. He called them bullies . Arafat based his war on Israel, on the success of the FLN in Algeria against the French the FLN demonised the French and created an international condemnation against the French and eventually the French left full stop in every country that Islam is taken over they behaved in the same way. Israel is no different The fact is Israel is the only Middle Eastern democracy. It looks after its Arab and Muslim and Christian inhabitants. There’s no other country that does that in the Middle East.
One side is represented by a literal terrorist organization, and the other side is a nationalist government that thrives on projecting strength. Yeah, tough to see a way out of that one.
The text lies when says "historical Palestine" as being equal to the map of the British Mandate.
There was never an entity called Palestine on those borders.
I have watched this conflict, prayed about it, spoken out, voted for candidates who were for peace,and done everything in my power to make peace in this land happen. I am done. People don't care enough about this conflict to listen to both sides. Netanyahu has used his power for years to take more and more land from the Palestinians. And radical extremists on both sides have done everything in their power to stop every effort from succeeding.
There are people on both sides that want peace. But every plan and agreement is sabotaged by people on both sides who refuse to let peace happen. All the other Arab nations have kept the Palestinians armed, and kept the radical extremists in power, at the expense of the Palestinian civilians. I don't see any of these nations helping Palestinian refugees. Nobody wants them in their country. They are being used as pawns on the stage of international theater. The fact is that nobody in Israel and Palestine are going to have peace because of the determination of those who insist on destroying the other. The United States has armed Israel to protect the Jewish people who live their. But most of us don't want Israel to continue to steal the land. Israel does not recognize the human rights of Palestinians, and Palestinians don't recognize that there are some Jews who want peace. I am so tired of it. There is nothing more to do but let them fight it out. I feel sorry for all of the people in this country who want to live in peace with each other. I don't know what will happen to these people if there is no law to protect the civil rights of every man, woman, and child regardless of their religious beliefs. There must be a government that protects the rights and property of all people. Not a government just for Jewish people, or just for Palestinians. There must be a separation between church and state. People must be protected and represented. Land must not be stolen. People must stop killing each other.
Neither side wants two-state solution and that is a fact and there is no point talking about it. Palestinians want state “from river to the sea” (without Jews) and the Jews are accepting the current situation with 2 million Arabs living amongst them, West Bank populated with 700 thousand Jews, and Gaza without Hamas (preferably under some Arab governance). This kind of arrangement is acceptable (not officially) to most Arab states also. But Iran stirs the pot. Therefore, when theocratic Iran regime falls, situation will calm down.
If this is true, why are there so many Israeli centers chanting death to arabs
Israel has made at least five formal offers of a settlement with the Palestinians since Camp David which include an independent Palestinian state consisting of the Gaza Strip, 97% of the West Bank (with the 3% being offset by other territory and being Israel's only requirement of the Palestinian demands) and recognizing its capital as East Jerusalem.
The Palestinians would need to recognize Israel and its right to exist, halt attacks and see 3% of West Bank land removed and the same amount of land added elsewhere for the same total.
Every other term is literally just what Palestine demands.
Each of the five times the Palestinian representatives have refused. They currently refuse to even be negotiating (Israel has been open to negotiations up until 10/6 and will likely be again after Hamas is eliminated as a threat).
Palestine has jews? Palestine wants illegal settlements, war crimes, and systematic discrimination and oppression to stop. They want to be able to, I don't know, have clean water, electricity, and medicine. Israel wants to flatten Gaza and build a parking lot.
Naqba one
Naqba two
Naqba three
When will they learn ?
When the belief that Muslim are superior and have the right to exterminate anyone is gone.
No
They will get all of it at the end
Still palestinian there? Untill the palestinian get their land back. Look around. This is 21 century. We asian learned from our mistakes. Go back to europe while you still can.
This is the first time I agree with Aljazeera.
Finally they have reason things out. The only solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict is a one state solution.
It's totally impossible to divide the land, it will only lead to the destruction of Israel and Palestine.
The future is a United States Of Israel-Palestine, what I call ( the United States of IsPine )
Don't expect it now, but one thing I know is we surely will have the 2 people living as one family one day.
Don't even think the Arab world, The West or the Communist can help make this a reality because their selfish interest won't allow. Only the people of Palestine and Israel can make the decision to stop fighting and start building a future together.
Simple fact: not being able to live side by side with other people who are culturally different (somewhat) to you is just plain stupid.
Now looking forward to hearing different people saying that only the Israelis or Palestinians are guilty of this, as though such stupidity doesn't exist on the other side.
This has for some time seemed the most obvious take away from everything we have learned. Its utterly bizzare to me that people are still fighting over partitions that few agree upon, as opposed to focusing on human rights and style of government.
3:38 That was ridiculous!!! What would happen if the land in Ukraine were divided into 44% for Ukrainian majorities and 56% for Russian minorities?
That's a good point. We sit here and tell Ukraine to keep fighting and not negotiate yet we tell Israel to negotiate and be ready to give up land.
A crash course on history of the PALESTINIAN STATE:
1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state
2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.
9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.
17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.
20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE.
A little more history for those wanting to 'restore Palestine'.
In 132 AD the Emperor Hadrian resolved to stamp the Jews and their religion out of existence.
He sold all Jewish prisoners into slavery after the revolt of Bar Kikhba, forbade the teaching of the Torah, renamed the province Syria Palaestina, and changed Jerusalem’s name to Aelia Capitolina.
He renamed Israel to wipe out the national identity of Israel and the Jews.
So if you are looking to 'restore Palestine to the Palestinians', you need to give it back to the Jews.
I like the part when it was "not a palestinian state" They suddenly went from arabs to Palestinians in less than 100 years. wtf.
And yet the Palestinians live there... not feeling strong for one side or the other, just wondering if possession is 9/10th of the law. 😅
I get from this that this state for the inhabitants is long overdue
cool, now do the united states of america
so when are you leaving from the native american land you stole? why don't you list what came before the US of A let's apply this same identical criterion to its legitimacy
besides, if your argument is actually "but it was never CALLED Palestine" I am sorry to learn your IQ wouldn't boil water
Great content but the sound effects and music are major distraction. The loud clicking sounds and low whooshing make it so I need to ride my volume control in order to understand the dialogue.
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It's so hard to get an impartial assessment of the situation. I was hopeful that this might be. It's not!
I am a 63 year old American who has been totally confused about the Middle East since I was a small child, and your "Start Here" videos help.
Al Jazeera is Qatari state media, please take what they say understanding that.
sad you didnt just read a regular history book regarding the romans then muslim caliphate, mamluk, and ottomans invading killing and stealing land.
Yes this is possible but only if America does not interfere in it.
Wrong Statement. It's possible but only Israel Far-right Extremist Government does not Interfere.
Lol, you stupid or what. Palestine rejected the two state and 5 Arab countries attack Israel.
Good luck with that ! They interfere in everyone's business..much like china and russia.
How come there's no mention of when Israel removed all settlers from Gaza in 2005? That was just before the Gazans voted in Hamas, who is bent on Israel's destruction, why is none of this mentioned?
May God Bless humanity, and give PEACE to All!... Separate each country ....Have an assurance for Peace without underground tunnels, avoid harming each other..After all they are real brothers!
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Palestine will be free... Free from Hamas and palestinians. From the River to the Sea Israel is all that will be. 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱 Mauslemz lost the war. Right now gazans are running, crying and praying to their prophet and his 6yo wife. Will he save them? Nope. Justice for Aisha (she was 6).
Does this really matter right now?
It's great to see the vast majority people see this for the rubbish it is, you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool them all.
This video is so biased it's laughable and the cherry picked "facts" are anything but.
I advise you to watch the Dr Phil episode on the Palestinians that has the hamas leaders son admitting some home truths. You sound fresh from a western university, don't worry you grow out of it.😂
The juice do not want to give Palestines equal rights, including voting in the land they occupy.
Nor do they want them to live seperately.
And the Palestinians do not want to live as slaves in an apartheid state
Thats why juice see ethnic cleansing as the way out
@@Porter90 Oh, my dear. Can you hear yourself? "Palestine will be free...from Palestinians." Examine your conscience. Look with clear eyes at your statement...because, it sure does sound like the Final Solution. You don't want to say anything that sounds like that. Deep down inside, at your core, you're better than that. Question yourself. Go deep. Somehow, you have allowed yourself to be tainted by a hatred equal to that of the..... Don't let yourself hate. You're doing yourself harm. Do not try to rationalize it, explain it away. That would only do you further harm. You're poisoning yourself. Don't.
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and looks!
The US has lived somewhat successfully with several nations within it. For example the nations of Finland, Sweden, Germany, Poland, Ireland, many numbers of First Nations, the African diaspora and more. Of course there also is the Confederate States and the Northern States and the one time Texas Nation and the nations of territories of the Pacific, of Alaska, of SW former Mexican lands etc. People from different nations can live together if their constitution requires equalities of the peoples.
The picture at 19:37 explains so much in itself.