"its a shame we dont have long distance passenger flights that stay at low altitude of below 500ft for the entire flight. you would be able to properly see the terrain then on atlantic flights. high altitude flight sacrifices scenery" Mike, if you're seeing terrain during an Atlantic crossing you might be lost.
Also if you develop a problem you need time to go through trouble shooting procedure manuals, if your losing height during that time you wouldn't want to be at only 500ft. If you lose engine power or stall you fucked. plus air is more dense at lower altitude.
There is no room for any recovery from a problem at low altitude, not to mention the air is more dense and weather is more of a factor. Low altitude flying is just too dangerous. I have been in a plane when it dropped 50 feet in turbulence. at 25,000 that is nothing. At 2500 ft. you crash.
That's a stunning amount of distance, time and altitude to manage a high speed AND idle decent. I can't even imagine attempting to do that in something analog - like a B-737-100/200 series. Fantastic flight management is helped by Digital Flight Management System to be sure, but it still takes a lots of experience to pull it off. Impressive.
Think of coming down a long, steep hill in your car. You're headed to the Walmart down there to get some munchies for the movie you just got out of the Redbox. You take your foot off the gas and coast down the hill all the way to the entrance and turn in only using the brakes a little. You just did an idle high speed decent into Walmart. Enjoy the movie and the munchies when you get home.
About PC flight sims. _back in the day when my CFI let me solo,, I had just a bare minimum of cross wind landings - During my first five hours of solo time, Only once did I have to make a cross wind landing. I nearly took out the lights on the Concord NH Runway 17. After that I used a PC-Sim and learned more about landings than I'd been taught in real time. ( And just for a bit of unasked for advise. According to a cop friend of mine who had many hours in a PC FLTSIM. - He said that when he did his first takeoff in a full size plane, He said, " Well I didn't do all that great till I used instruments only and from there on, I got the hang of it.). I guess the moral of this story is = If someone claims you can't learn to fly on a computer, It just might not be true at all, Depending on who you are and weather you have an understanding of the physics of flying.( which you CAN learn from a book. ) And one more thing. It is much harder to fly Microsoft FLTSIM X than it is to fly the real thing
Bruce- I learned to fly at 8B1, about 40 miles WSW of KCON. I guess you can learn plenty from a sim, but you need to have the same disciplined habits expected in the real thing. I suppose it's like learning to drive and then learning to drive another car. The inescapable difference- in the real thing you don't want the "game over" light to come on. Cheers
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I don't know about high speed...just a well planned descent at idle. And FYI...landings are never done at idle on commercial jets (until a couple seconds before touchdown, of course). He would've had to start adding power pretty soon after he started putting out flaps...at the latest.
wow your cruise alt was over fl400 in a crj??? did you have a low payload? and what was the flight plan? shame you video wasn't longer but thankyou for the upload! :)
Hope none of the passengers had blocked sinuses - that would have been a painful misery. Descents should always be made in stages to let people equalize.
Some guys and girls make it seem like they're stirring soup and some seem able to pull off landings moving the controls very smoothly and hardly at all. I'm one of the smooth variety (or at least like to think I am) but I've given up trying to tell people that you don't have to flail the controls about on approach. For one thing, after they have three or four thousand hours under their belts they are unlikely to change AND they're likely to tell you to fuck off. In this fellow's defense, we've no idea what kind of mechanical turbulence/gusts he was dealing with so it's not really fair to call him on it. However, it has been my experience during many checkouts that there is no shortage of pilots that use these large but short duration inputs to control the aircraft. I do find it disconcerting but it seems to work. I was cured early in my career by an instructor who told me he wouldn't get back in the airplane with me if I chose to employ the technique. Another thing I take people to task for is pushing the controls to level off or to begin descents or to correct altitude excursions. As pilots most of us aren't even aware of the sensations but the people in the back certainly feel it and precious few of them like it. Rant concluded, thank you.
You have a point here... But it must feel somewhat different from a normal minus 1800-2500fpm descent... The acceleration forces have to be higher, the speed is also higher...
... ok.. so Speed is scalar and has no direction (ex: 60mph going to vermont=60mph going to florida), velocity like acceleration has both magnitude and direction, however acceleration is the rate of change of velocity over time, so if the velocity is constant, acceleration equals ZERO. The feeling we get on a roller coaster or fast car is acceleration, not velocity, that's why roller coasters have loops and turns. If you're a plane that never increases or decreases the airspeed, but plane turns or descends you will feel it, because the change in direction is a change in velocity which is the definition of acceleration. The speed, however can remain the same, NASA does this on purpose to test things in zero gravity like conditions. I hope I have explained this clearly
4,900 feet per minute at 320kts! Wow! In the flare, that CRJ doesn't seem very responsive to control inputs... maybe that's what happens when you put a lot of weight on a little wing?
First of all I assume you don't have an aviation background, if not that is a very good comparison! Yes you could think of the aircraft when at idle as coasting down a hill. The pilot can use such things as spoilers (speedbrakes) and eventually flaps and slats to manage speed and energy even more. You have a really good understanding of the concept though as I pointed out. Have you considered flight training? You certainly seem to have a knack for it. Keep learning and always ask as many questions as you can, who knows maybe someday you'll be up front calling the shots ;-)
Wesley Bennett Hi Wesley! (I believe your comment is directed to me.) Thanks so much for clarifying things and you explain it so that it's easy for me to understand. I appreciate that. In general, I am one to question something if I am not understanding. I like to get a grasp on things so I do understand. . And as far as flight training, I think that would be a "no" from me. lol But in my younger days...I was stuck behind a 21 game. lol Did that for 30 years. But I AM so enthralled in the concept of flight and the people who pilot them. And now I just realize you are a corporate pilot.!! Well, no wonder I got such a professional comment from you. That must mean you fly a lot of Lear jets?? I am truly amazed especially when I think about fighter pilots and the volatile training conditions they go thru . I 'sit in the cockpit' and watch what these guys see while maneuvering these supersonic marvels and it boggles my mind that they can learn to put their bodies thru such conditions. I don't think a lot of people realize, or take the time to realize, just what these guys go thru. Thanks for your nice comment. Take care and Happy Holidays to you and yours~
So much fun. Pilatus Porters are the best! Wing over inverted, then straight down only pulling out of vertical to manage airspeed. King Airs are great also. Our DZ's Twin Otter used to do the wing over dive, but not like the Porter or King Air. Otter has been restricted to nose down dives only now. It's a 60 year old airplane; better to be gentle with her.
No, I don't think that there will be anything different when walking.. Gravity is acceleration. Whilst the plane is descending, the passengers experience a constant vertical speed, hence no vertical acceleration therefore the pull of gravity is just like normal...
The title promises fun, the video shows... nothing. A few breaf glimpses of the altimeter and even fewer glimpses out the window. I suppose the whole video was much more interesting, so I blame the editing for the most boring video of the most interesting descent.
That's the first time I heard an airline pilot talk during the flare. I like it
"its a shame we dont have long distance passenger flights that stay at low altitude of below 500ft for the entire flight. you would be able to properly see the terrain then on atlantic flights. high altitude flight sacrifices scenery"
Mike, if you're seeing terrain during an Atlantic crossing you might be lost.
Also if you develop a problem you need time to go through trouble shooting procedure manuals, if your losing height during that time you wouldn't want to be at only 500ft. If you lose engine power or stall you fucked. plus air is more dense at lower altitude.
Ha, or maybe not, because crossing at that altitude, you'd have to stop twice for fuel!
Also, you'll run out fuel very quickly.
There is no room for any recovery from a problem at low altitude, not to mention the air is more dense and weather is more of a factor. Low altitude flying is just too dangerous. I have been in a plane when it dropped 50 feet in turbulence. at 25,000 that is nothing. At 2500 ft. you crash.
Also the plane would not be able to go at a high cruising speed due to the drag in low altitudes
What a gracious pilot to even take the time and comment for us. Wonderful vid! Thanks JustPlanes!!!
You are right... and glad you enjoyed it, thanks! :)
Thank You for sharing. It is pure escapism to watch real people, who deserve a lot more
recognition for such a responsible position. God bless!
The comments from the peanut gallery are always the best part of U tube............lol.........
Always fun to watch jet planes landing. great video
Thank you for a Fascinating Ride!! Happy Landings..
You are very welcome! Glad you enjoyed it! :)
Thanks :)
hahaha we have close to 650 videos... and adding 1 every day :) but glad you seem to enjoy them :)
great video!! thank for shearing !!
I'm in awe.. that's just amazing!
A real gentleman; that pilot :-) Thank you!
Well done. Thanks for posting.
And how cool was that video? Even cooler was the pilot giving commentary at the end of the vid. Thanks for uploading.
Awesome pilots!! Great video!!!!
The conversation is in the style of surgeons at the operating table. Very professional and friendly.
Maestro.... bravo!!!!!
A lot more movement on the yoke than I would have expected.
YOU GUYS ROCK!
Cool captain, looked like a fast fun free fall in!
We need more videos with that Captain. Cool dude.
Very cool!
Amazing!!
That's a stunning amount of distance, time and altitude to manage a high speed AND idle decent. I can't even imagine attempting to do that in something analog - like a B-737-100/200 series. Fantastic flight management is helped by Digital Flight Management System to be sure, but it still takes a lots of experience to pull it off. Impressive.
Too good for a sorry RJ? I want great pilots like this whether I'm in a Saab or a 747!! Fantastic skills & great video!
Think of coming down a long, steep hill in your car. You're headed to the Walmart down there to get some munchies for the movie you just got out of the Redbox. You take your foot off the gas and coast down the hill all the way to the entrance and turn in only using the brakes a little.
You just did an idle high speed decent into Walmart. Enjoy the movie and the munchies when you get home.
Uruguayan pilot and airline! Sad thing is that pluna went broke last year :(
Impressive display of energy management!
You should see me, totally shut down on a couch. That's impressive!
About PC flight sims. _back in the day when my CFI let me solo,, I had just a bare minimum of cross wind landings - During my first five hours of solo time, Only once did I have to make a cross wind landing. I nearly took out the lights on the Concord NH Runway 17. After that I used a PC-Sim and learned more about landings than I'd been taught in real time. ( And just for a bit of unasked for advise. According to a cop friend of mine who had many hours in a PC FLTSIM. - He said that when he did his first takeoff in a full size plane, He said, " Well I didn't do all that great till I used instruments only and from there on, I got the hang of it.).
I guess the moral of this story is = If someone claims you can't learn to fly on a computer, It just might not be true at all, Depending on who you are and weather you have an understanding of the physics of flying.( which you CAN learn from a book. )
And one more thing. It is much harder to fly Microsoft FLTSIM X than it is to fly the real thing
Bruce- I learned to fly at 8B1, about 40 miles WSW of KCON. I guess you can learn plenty from a sim, but you need to have the same disciplined habits expected in the real thing. I suppose it's like learning to drive and then learning to drive another car. The inescapable difference- in the real thing you don't want the "game over" light to come on. Cheers
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I don't know about high speed...just a well planned descent at idle.
And FYI...landings are never done at idle on commercial jets (until a couple seconds before touchdown, of course). He would've had to start adding power pretty soon after he started putting out flaps...at the latest.
I allways liked the CRJ's! Especially the 700-900 series!
We have our film crew and they travel all over the world...
Very nice
wow, this is insane, are you the pilot? how many flights do you do per day on average? and do you not get nervous with taking off/landing?
Pluna went out of business in July 2012, that might be worth noting.
wow your cruise alt was over fl400 in a crj??? did you have a low payload? and what was the flight plan? shame you video wasn't longer but thankyou for the upload! :)
That captain looks fun!
Hope none of the passengers had blocked sinuses - that would have been a painful misery. Descents should always be made in stages to let people equalize.
Some guys and girls make it seem like they're stirring soup and some seem able to pull off landings moving the controls very smoothly and hardly at all. I'm one of the smooth variety (or at least like to think I am) but I've given up trying to tell people that you don't have to flail the controls about on approach. For one thing, after they have three or four thousand hours under their belts they are unlikely to change AND they're likely to tell you to fuck off. In this fellow's defense, we've no idea what kind of mechanical turbulence/gusts he was dealing with so it's not really fair to call him on it. However, it has been my experience during many checkouts that there is no shortage of pilots that use these large but short duration inputs to control the aircraft. I do find it disconcerting but it seems to work. I was cured early in my career by an instructor who told me he wouldn't get back in the airplane with me if I chose to employ the technique. Another thing I take people to task for is pushing the controls to level off or to begin descents or to correct altitude excursions. As pilots most of us aren't even aware of the sensations but the people in the back certainly feel it and precious few of them like it. Rant concluded, thank you.
***** its called windcorrection
MrOrthogonalization Wind correction, idiot. Bet your not even a pilot irl and an armchair simmer huh?
That thing's got more play in the steering wheel than my old pickup truck.
you're kidding right?
there is only play in the steering wheel because its a plane
its normal that way, those big planes dont react as quickly as cars to inputs :)
It's amazing how much input is needed when flying at a low speed
"I don't know if that's going to work" Yeah... one thing you never want to hear from a pilot.
Yea funny how they cut the video right at that second too...they forgot to edit that part out lol
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nice !
This is my kind of flying without a doubt. I'd love to do a free-fall decent / approach in the B737-8 a/c.
cool pilot
@3:35 that is something you would not want to hear as a passenger lol
Nice
Quite a skilled landing reminds me of the military!,
Yes
I wonder how many times a pilot says "thank you" over the radio in a day?
+markmnorcal Probably right up there with "g'day"
In my Point of view The pressure is increasing faster so humans that fly very often might recognize it
Looks like you had a bit of ground effect there!
Nice bird!
Hey look. I'm floating!!!
This comment section...I love it.
UPS is using the Continuous Descent Approach a LOT in Europe.
3:10 flying a swing ......... that´s real flying by hand!
CRJ900 man, can do that!
Emergency decent for decompression is 4300-5500 fpm depends on version. If he did 4000+ fpm decent, it's emergency decent more than high speed decent
kind of sad that many of these airlines are no longer operating
During the flare at landing it looks like he's churning butter with the control wheel.......
Yes well, the aircraft's service ceiling is FL410.
yep ;)
Is the Captain from the US or Canada?
Just a question what was that's pilots name
OMG -4900ft/min now that's a descent speed. Shouldn't this be a little uncomfortable for the passengers?
no, because the cabin is not descending as fast as the aircraft, due to pressurization.
You have a point here... But it must feel somewhat different from a normal minus 1800-2500fpm descent... The acceleration forces have to be higher, the speed is also higher...
it's descending with a constant speed, somewhat 310 kts, so it's not accelerating :)
...
... ok.. so Speed is scalar and has no direction (ex: 60mph going to vermont=60mph going to florida), velocity like acceleration has both magnitude and direction, however acceleration is the rate of change of velocity over time, so if the velocity is constant, acceleration equals ZERO. The feeling we get on a roller coaster or fast car is acceleration, not velocity, that's why roller coasters have loops and turns. If you're a plane that never increases or decreases the airspeed, but plane turns or descends you will feel it, because the change in direction is a change in velocity which is the definition of acceleration. The speed, however can remain the same, NASA does this on purpose to test things in zero gravity like conditions. I hope I have explained this clearly
Whats your highest kia? Around 320?
Captain sounds like he was from the states
I hope you checked on the passengers after that descent.
cool
I couldn't see.. how many fpm was the descent?
at 2:24 at the bottom right portion of the left screen it's at 5000fpm
4900 fpm
All the boost flickers between 4.9 and 5.0 on the indicator
Josh - Pitt SkyView Drones looks like 4900 fpm
It was an Idle descent, just at fast speed
All that potential energy gained during ascent, used as it should be. Why pedal like hell down a hill ;-)
feel safe when I fly with a calm pilot :-)
isnt that the Airbus A/P disconnect warning sound at 3:09?
yeah
4,900 feet per minute at 320kts! Wow!
In the flare, that CRJ doesn't seem very responsive to control inputs... maybe that's what happens when you put a lot of weight on a little wing?
What happens if you have 100 passengers that happen to way 600 lbs? Would that effect the controls?
lol dont ya love wen he says "200" :D ^^ ?
IDLE? Does that mean like a car in neutral and just coasting? Another great video! Thanks guys.
It means the engines are running, but no power is applied to them... 0% thrust being produced.
Khemistry Ahhh, I see. Thanks for the help! Happy Holidays to you~
First of all I assume you don't have an aviation background, if not that is a very good comparison! Yes you could think of the aircraft when at idle as coasting down a hill. The pilot can use such things as spoilers (speedbrakes) and eventually flaps and slats to manage speed and energy even more. You have a really good understanding of the concept though as I pointed out. Have you considered flight training? You certainly seem to have a knack for it. Keep learning and always ask as many questions as you can, who knows maybe someday you'll be up front calling the shots ;-)
Wesley Bennett Hi Wesley! (I believe your comment is directed to me.) Thanks so much for clarifying things and you explain it so that it's easy for me to understand. I appreciate that. In general, I am one to question something if I am not understanding. I like to get a grasp on things so I do understand. . And as far as flight training, I think that would be a "no" from me. lol But in my younger days...I was stuck behind a 21 game. lol Did that for 30 years.
But I AM so enthralled in the concept of flight and the people who pilot them. And now I just realize you are a corporate pilot.!! Well, no wonder I got such a professional comment from you. That must mean you fly a lot of Lear jets?? I am truly amazed especially when I think about fighter pilots and the volatile training conditions they go thru . I 'sit in the cockpit' and watch what these guys see while maneuvering these supersonic marvels and it boggles my mind that they can learn to put their bodies thru such conditions. I don't think a lot of people realize, or take the time to realize, just what these guys go thru.
Thanks for your nice comment. Take care and Happy Holidays to you and yours~
vegasjill21 how about we put it this way. If you don't know, you shouldn't be watching the videos
It's funner in a Skydive plane coming down. A LOT FASTER descent!
Funner isn't a word
So much fun. Pilatus Porters are the best! Wing over inverted, then straight down only pulling out of vertical to manage airspeed. King Airs are great also. Our DZ's Twin Otter used to do the wing over dive, but not like the Porter or King Air. Otter has been restricted to nose down dives only now. It's a 60 year old airplane; better to be gentle with her.
I bet the pilot was was Iceman's wingman, probably took that baby to Mach 5 the the other day while chewing gum!
What model airplane is that? Never saw a rear engine passenger plane with winglets.
CRJ
Looks to be one of the CRJ's
I think Bombardier CRJ-700
Danstorm Salude H155
Robin Sattahip Look at the yoke at 0:38. It's a Canadair Regional Jet.
I didn't know Bill Clinton had a pilot's license.
It was my impression or the pilots were laughing speech of Montivideo controllers?
They were, they laughed at the "Spanglish" that the controllers were using ;)
so basically the Earth is flat and stationary
Aircraft?
Can I be a part of the team?
crj 900?
No, I don't think that there will be anything different when walking.. Gravity is acceleration. Whilst the plane is descending, the passengers experience a constant vertical speed, hence no vertical acceleration therefore the pull of gravity is just like normal...
“Pluna?” lol
60,000 pounds of payload in a CRJ? You're not taking off, period. lol
This airline went out of service this year due to a bankruptcy
More videos sir
What type of aircraft is that?
Canadair RJ
+JustPlanes CRJ200?
+8Bit Beats CRJ 900
CRJ-900
+8Bit Beats looked like a 900
4900ft/min ???
:05 “Pluna?” lol
The title promises fun, the video shows... nothing. A few breaf glimpses of the altimeter and even fewer glimpses out the window. I suppose the whole video was much more interesting, so I blame the editing for the most boring video of the most interesting descent.
they sell the commplete flight on dvd
Is it just me or are CRJ's scary af
Where are getting your facts from. I just flew on a B737-800 at 41000ft LA to Denver Southwest Airlines