Why We Haven't Seen Stormtroopers in Andor (Yet)
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- čas přidán 15. 10. 2022
- I've seen some people questioning why the creators behind Andor have chosen not to include Imperial stormtroopers in the show yet. And I definitely do thing it's a choice and not some weird oversight. Here are the major reasons I see on why the people behind Andor are waiting to reveal the classic white armor on screen.
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Ive noticed that the further we go into the series the more of those familiar elements of star wars we get. The second arc gave us TIE fighters. The next arc I think is gonna feature the star destroyer from the trailer. I like that slow build because it represents that Andor is becoming more and more involved in the greater Galaxy.
Little extra because I'm too lazy to edit but I think we've also went through this in the clone wars. We had arcs outside the normal cast. Take for example our adventures with Padme and the senate. Or how about Umbara where there were barely any battle droids and the clones fought other people for a change.
Hell the arc with the Bardatans staring Mace and Jar Jar honestly makes me think this is something thr Jedi would have done before the war. Helping solve an issue with a planet and investigating the dark side. It's not sith but it was the dark side
"I like that slow build because it represents that Andor is becoming more and more involved in the greater Galaxy. "
that is very true love that analysis
I'm really hoping we get to also see familiar aliens as well. Or maybe new ones
@@gregcervantes9268 I thought we did back in the first Arc
@@TheHeston83 Glad you like that. Just makes sense to me because it seems everywhere Cassian has been and left he seems to attract more of the Empires attention. first it was the coporate sector being lost to the ISB and now I can see the Aldani needing a star destroyer present because the previous outpost failed to keep any rebels at bay
They probably missed the cameras
😎 nailed it!
Lol good one!
Wait, a second. . .
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Stormtroopers haven’t appeared yet because when they do, they’re going to be terrifying. They’ll be a force to be reckoned with because they’ve been treated as cannon fodder for far too long.
cannon*
Technically the canon has used them as fodder too.
I have to say in most cases stormtroopers have always been pitted against crazy odds.
-Mandalorians
-Force users
- space vietnam teddy bears
@@westwardstar1686 That's also a good point. They're going up against trained killers most of the time, but it would be quite easy for them to to commit atrocities against civilians.
True. People forget these troopers are reserved for the most difficult missions. They cleared out the Tantive IV pretty easily.
I have a feeling that when we do see stormtroopers. They might actually be an intimidating force. Andor has made imperials and Tie's intimidating again. What a brilliant thing good writing is.
A show with no danger to the main characters is lame. Filoni could learn a thing or two from his one-man army fantasies.
I think it’s also important to consider delayed gratification. Don’t just give the fans everything they want right off the bat. Build up to it to make the moment more satisfying.
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that's great! I love when there are franchises parents and kids can enjoy together
Andor has done to Tie-Fighters what Mandalorian did for AT-STs -> make them terrifying. I love it
I have a feeling the stormtroopers, when they show up, will be a force to be reckoned with. Also looking forward to the clone troopers on Ferrix.
You could say that their armor clacking together is... The sound of a reckoning?
Just like they made 1 TIE fearsome! I did expect to see them in the sixth episode, to show how much better they are than those Imperials (although they shoot pretty well).
Clone troopers will be on ferrix?
@@isaquinos_vlogs In flashbacks. It’s in the trailers.
@@ImTheReverse oh ok
I remember at the beginning of new canon being kind of bummed that it seemed liked they were getting rid of regular Imperial Army Troops in favor of all Stormtroopers all the time, so I'm stoked to see the lower level Imps. same as the Mimban stuff in Solo.
Apparently they were mentioned as early as 2015 so they weren’t gone for long.
I'm retired Army and Andor along with Rogue One resonates with me. There's so much in the background happening people never know about... they just see the leadership (main characters). Having been deployed to some remote places, I feel for the guys hanging out and doing their jobs on Aldhani. Brings back memories.
I honestly haven’t missed storm troopers. I am totally invested in seeing the rebellion building from the ground up without all the usual characters. I’m enjoying the realism and seeing what the stakes are for ordinary people. Great insight as always, Alex!
I'm loving that you're seeing things differently. Tie Fighters are terrifying in Andor.
I love how they take a more personal approach instead showing a lot of immediately recognizable characters. Faceless stormtroopers aren't around because the story serves its purpose to show the reality of the galaxy during this time. It focuses on the people. Tamryn (sp?) being a former stormtrooper fits this theme as well as choosing to use more officers and Imperial army troopers instead of the forceful stormtroopers. On Aldhani the Empire seems to keep a open hand toward the Dhani people, while seemingly tightening their grip with the other hand. They trade customary pelts, engage in the culture by saying they'll provide a "watch zone" for the Eye in their plans for when they level the valley. I can't imagine this cloak and dagger policy would be made any easier having a legion of stormtroopers around. We've grown accustomed to seeing the might of the Empire which makes it easy to forget that the Empire was also very cunning and manipulative. Why risk sacrifice to any of your own resources and troops when you can take little by little with almost no objection from those you're taking from. The exploiting nature of the Empire is better served when you see all the people it affects. Those within as well as those being subjected. On one side you see people doing their jobs, keeping their heads down because that's all they know. Their loyalty to the Empire isn't because they believe in it. Its because they must do so to survive.
I think back to the Iron Squadron episode of Rebels when Mattin thought an arquitens was a star destroyer and seeing and destroying a real star destroyer was a “big boy” moment for him. The main symbols that we recognize as default imperial are only the ones used against the most dangerous of rebels and other enemies. You have to be a pretty “big boy” rebel for the empire to send a star destroyer or even just a detachment of stormtroopers to deal with you. Cassian is on his way to becoming a big boy rebel and as he rises, so will his enemies. As he goes after bigger and more important things, he will encounter bigger and more important threats.
Thank god most fans understand that, but some still think Star Wars is just Pew Pew and Lightsabers... which it's not.
This seems to be one thing the books always mention directly, with regular navy troopers being used way more often than in the movies.
and army troopers. navy troopers (used to be called "death star troopers") have the big oversized black helmets, army troopers (like in Andor and Solo) have the metal looking ones with the goggles on top
If we do see them I hope they are elite soldiers like there suppose to be.
I've been saying that Mando gave us an actually scary AT-ST Chicken Walker, and now with the TIEs buzzing the canyons, we have more actually scary Imperial weapons systems. I think we are building up to something. Great work!
That scene in episode 6 when Andor aimed his blaster at the Imperial in the heist, you can see the anger from the Imperial in that moment. I think we needed Imperials without helmets to better see that they are also humans with feelings. It all made this episode more tense. This is the way. It will change when Stormtroopers with no faces that are trained not to care are going in for the kill.
Don't forget, also... Stormtroopers, aside from being faceless and "nameless", are assigned TK numbers in place of their name. So, even if you DO hear of one referred to by his/her designation, it's always a number.
Andor is also going out of its way to show that the Empire, 15 years in, is already starting to rot from the inside, at its lowest levels. They are also humanizing its lowest ranks, where some of the worst of humanity will end up being displayed. The Empire was originally designed to be patterned after the Nazi regime. Where, at its lowest levels, the worst things actually happened. Sure, the leadership was giving out the orders to commit these crimes against humanity, but it was those who directly interacted with those they captured/tortured/maimed/killed where the worst things actually happened. Some, so barbarous it almost defies description.
But as was stated, it's easy to overlook the death of a nameless/faceless "person" behind a helmet, and not quite so easy to do so when you can see their face and/or(Andor... hehe.... yes, I intended the pun!) hear the name of them.
I actually quite like the way new Canon’s handled the army troopers. By saying they were slowly undergoing a process of being phased out throughout the empires existence yet it being implied this process was never actually completed by the time the empire collapsed, it allows them to appear at any time in the empires existence while simultaneously explaining why we’ve seen stormtroopers in minor positions such as the rogue one prison.
Yeah, it's a really excellent explanation.
I literally didn't notice there weren't any storm stroopers.
The past few episodes give us the best look at the Imperial Army since Solo. It really differentiate the state of imperial budget between the Army and Navy.
In the tie hanger you can see a few!
You can? Dang I missed it
@@ODBonesCorleone402 Itty bitty guys in shiny all white walking around , like 2 of em in the bground
I think it was Thrawn that said that the average Imperial citizen has never seen a Tie fighter, Star Destroyer, or Stormtrooper. I guess we're seeing it from their perspective now...
"I encounter civilians like you all
the time. You believe the Empire is
continually plotting to do harm.
Let me tell you, your view of the
Empire is far too dramatic. The Empire
is a government. It keeps billions of
beings fed and clothed. Day after day,
year after year, on thousands of worlds,
people live their lives under Imperial
rule without seeing a stormtrooper or
hearing a TIE fighter scream overhead." - Red eyed Blue boy
I mean when’s the last time you heard a UAV drone or fighter jet fly by?
@@cccspwn It’s out at the frontier that you see the iron fist of empire, in real life and good fiction.
I agree with what you're saying . I can see where it takes time for the build-up so people need to be patient and watched the story line
Great discussion of the probable thematic reasons behind the choice! I definitely think Gilroy wanted to show the "faces" of the Empire more, and it enriches the themes of the show.
On the lore side, I love seeing a show, intentionally or not, lean into the fact that the Stormtrooper Corps was a relatively small service branch within the Imperial Army. It adds a lot more believability to the Empire's military structure. Army Troopers were common and Stormtroopers weren't. They showed up when something was sufficiently important. It even works in head-canon for most of the movies - defending the Empire's single most important installation and/or actively hunting a Rebel leader and the plans for said installation, deployed forces from Death Squadron (the taskforce sent to specifically hunt the Rebel Alliance), and Palpy's "best troops" defending the shield generator in a planned ambush. Star Wars Rebels undermines it a bit by using Stormtroopers everywhere, but ultimately Lothal became very important to the Empire.
I didn't even notice. I just enjoy the ride.
It's been so cool to see this side of Star Wars in Andor. You read about it a bit in the books and comics, but it's so neat to see it in live action.
I am always incredibly impressed at how insightful and analytical you are, especially when comparing Star Wars to real-world elements. Your videos are awesome!
They were on the ground in the Tie hangar scene
Excellent analysis. This show is amazing. I personally prefer lightsaber heavy SW content, yet somehow Andor and Rogue One are two of my favorite works in SW. I love seeing the Rebellion form and the different people with their own reasons to fight oppression.
I grew up in a US military family, and when you go to the vast majority of military bases, there’s not a bunch of heavily armed, heavily armored soldiers walking around.
In Andor there’s no big bad organized rebellion yet, so it makes sense that the empire wouldn’t field its “elite” troops at every single base in the galaxy. Once the rebellion really gets going it makes more sense that you see more storm troopers because there’s a higher threat level overall.
some stormtroopers were also spotted below the TIEs during the Alkenzi Air Base Scene :)
Another way to see it is that the Imperial army presence in the show is hinting on how far the Empire has subjugated new territory’s that they don’t consider any threat big enough for the stormtrooper corp to be involved and also that planet may not have resources that is worth the extra protection.
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I agree with you, Stormtroopers have become a joke in Star Wars, when they should've been as they're claimed to be, elite.
One of the things I love about the Solo movie was the use of Imperial infantry (mud troopers), the Infantry should be the dominant troops of the Empire (in numbers not skill), with the stormtroopers the elite special forces.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised there are so many SW fans who don't understand this series, they're used to a simpler story.
I watched another CZcams channel saying episode 6 was good, but it should've been episode 2 or 3, can you imagine all the story, dialog and content we would've lost if that were the case.
Their lack of patience is disturbing.
We did see them when Andor first came to the camp and we met the imperial officer there were 2 behind him.
i like that there have been little to no stormtroopers thus far!! when they show up later in the season (which i’m certain they will), it will *mean* something. it will mean that the rebels poked the sleeping dragon hard enough for it to react with greater force.
I like seeing the Imp Army troopers more often, along with the Blastech E-10 which so far only appeared in Solo. Save the stormies for more extreme action and make them proper murderous bad asses.
I don’t mind not seeing stormtroopers but now that I think about it, it’s a bit weird considering that Star Wars Rebels is already taking place in the same timeline as Andor and stormtroopers are ubiquitous in that show. It would have been cool to see the imperial army in that show especially in season 1.
Yes, the imperial army was seriously underused in star wars media up to this point. They should've been everywhere in Rebels. I guess you could argue that stormtroopers are used predominantly in the Lothal system because the Emperor himself had plans for that planet.
That's what I always thought
Lothal is important and so is the ghost crew
I hope we get a flashback with clone troopers and stormtroopers
Well from what we seen in the trailer we will be seeing live action practical clone troopers at some point in the series...I just don't know how it will show them
I'm appreciating your commentary on Andor and you referencing the connections to our everyday world...and concerns.
We do actually see them briefly in the TIE fighter hangar just vibing but it’s a blink and you’ll miss it
Stormtroopers are probably my favourite part of Star Wars, and honestly I've been enjoying Andor so much, I forgot I haven't seen them yet
I like how you said prominently as technically we have briefly seen them.
As much as people miss Stormtroopers, the Stormtroopers miss them even more...
To me it’s nice to see different things. We all know about stormtroopers. I like seeing the other groups and people in the empire and like you said I think the build up is well worth it so we see a side of the stormtroopers that are actually terrifying instead of being a group of soldiers that can never hit anything
Looks like they finally appeared in episode 7 and it was executed perfectly. As a retired cop and SW super fan, I loved the use of Shoretroopers as Beach Patrol law enforcement, as well as local court security. It’s the subtle details that make this show awesome. Especially the use of the KX-Series Imperial Security droids.
Andor has so far provided an interesting contrast with Rebels, which had stormtroopers all over the place, seemingly as the main infantry and patrol units. Do you suppose that is because Lothal was a higher-priority target, or are we maybe seeing a shift over time where the Empire has less and less faith in the standard army and so keeps expanding the ST Corps as a replacement (probably with a drop in quality)? Pre-Mor Corpos get replaced by Imperial Army that gets replaced by Stormtroopers, etc.
It's because rebels was a subpar and extremely overrated fan fiction show with Dave filoni overseeing it
@@fritz404 Filoni is bad
@@fritz404 Rebels sure wasn't the best Star Wars show and miles away from the quality of the Clone Wars, but it's not trash.
Love the content, as always. Can't wait for more high republic action!
Great video Alex, always enjoy your deeper dives into these live action shows
I, for one, really like how 'Andor' shows us more obscure elements of Star Wars. We get to see regular Imperial army soldiers, mundane workers, apartment complexes, flats, small towns, Coruscant airspeeders etc. This show is one of the best pieces of Star Wars media when it comes to worldbuilding in my opinion. It has a good balance between interesting storytelling known from the OT and amazing worldbuilding that shined in the prequels. The galaxy feels large and interesting again. It feels like a real lived-in place, not just a set built for a small group of main heroes. I hope that 'Andor' keeps expanding on the Star Wars lore instead of retreading old ground. Show me stuff I haven't seen before! We've all seen stormtroopers, star destroyers, imperial bases and AT-ATs. I want to see NEW STUFF! For example, did you guys ever wonder if the Empire or other factions had marine fleets? Wouldn't it be cool to see a submarine in Star Wars? Or something else. Maybe an Imperial mine. Or an Imperial slave camp. Anything other than generic Imperial hallways we've seen a million times before. What Star Wars needs is media that EXPAND on the original ideas and make the world feel BIGGER. Not constant references and nostalgia baits. Say what you want about the prequels but they really nailed this aspect. George didn't just rehash the same locations or the same aesthetic. He went out of his way to create new designs, new planets, new species and new adventures that are very distinct. Even SOLO needs to be commended for this. It's not a great movie overall but at least it introduced some cool new stuff. It showed us Imperial army troopers, range troopers, patrol troopers, an Imperial train etc. I wish Star Wars media used those elements more often and had the balls to introduce new stuff on their own.
I love how they made the TIE fighters scary! I’m excited to see how they build on this with the stormtroopers etc
The analogy is the Roman Empire or other earth empires. Andor takes place in remote areas of the rim. The Empire appoints governors and uses local security forces as police. Stormtroopers are basically marines. You don't use heavy troopers except in warfare. When the Empire retaliates for the theft and turn up in a Star Destroyer, then we will most likely see Stormtroopers.
This is a great video, I think you've nailed the themes. Funnily enough the humanisation of the bad guys, giving them names, shown them slacking and moaning about work is something I also picked up in the Gundam franchise as part of its narrative on the horrors of war.
I hadn't even really noticed the lack of stormtroopers - I think it's fine. I think it also fits the story where these characters are currently flying under the radar - they're on the fringe of the Empire's notice at the moment. And practically, in the last storyline, a big part of it involved the rebels in disguise. 4 full sets of armor would have been a lot harder to steal and having them in armor for that amount of time, where we couldn't see the tension on their faces or even be able to discern who was who, would not have worked.
I don’t mind it honestly!
I love everything about Andor so far, and I fully agree with you.
Andor has been scratching several itches for me that I wanted to see in Star Wars. Normal people, their home lives, what the average joe thinks of what’s going on, and what they do.
As a former retail employee I’ve wondered for a while what the retail business in Star Wars is like. What are the employees like? What do you have to deal with in a galaxy of so many different aliens, and types of people? So getting to see even an inkling of that, and getting to see aspects of the Empire be both humanized, and also made more terrifying works for me a lot. Andor might be my favorite Star Wars live action series so far. Not to talk down on a single other one, because I love them all. But Andor is something I’ve wanted to see the franchise tackle more on screen. I know we get bit of it in the books, and comics; but getting to see it on screen is great.
Good analysis, thanks.
Stormtroopers aren’t the regular imperial army, they’re supposed to be the elite force more directly under the Emperor’s control.
So get set everyone I think this series is building to something shocking and groundbreaking… competent and intimidating stormtroopers.
I don't mind and I sort of like the fact that there are no stormtroopers, yet. For many years it used to seem like the empire was only made up of Stormtroopers like 90%. I'm glad over the years they've expanded and come to show that the empire also has many people that do not wear full head to toe armor the cover every centimeter of humanity that they could exhibit. It was definitely refreshing to see that shown in some detail in Solo.
I was 14 when the first Star Wars movie came out, and I have seen them all in their original run in cinemas. And Star Wars was changing since The Empire Strikes Back. When I first saw that, years after the first movie had come out, it looked and felt so different. And the Return of the Jedi felt even more different. Star Wars has been about changing, expanding and exploring different places in this universe since the very first movies!
We already saw them, in the hangar with the TIEs
Great analysis and video! An element that I appreciate with the lack of stormtroopers: The Empire has always had an allusion of Nazi Germany within it. That said, something that is easy to miss from WW2 - not all soldiers in German army were members of the Nazi party, that is, there were German soldiers who weren't Nazi SS. I find the presentation of local police/privatized soldiers transitioning to Imperial Soldiers also reminiscent of WW2 History. I also find it fitting that the Nazi SS troops were known as - stormtroopers. It seems to me that Andor is building towards this and providing that glimpse behind the veil, so to speak.
I agree with you 100%, I'm very much enjoying the slower buildup of the Empire's forces from corpos to Imperial Army to stormtroopers and even death troopers. I'm very excited to see how everything plays out in future episodes.
I like how the different factions demonstrate the layers of oppression experienced by common people in the galaxy. It will make it even more meaningful to see direct stormtrooper occupation
Excellent points made in this video. Thanks 👍🏿
Had to subscribe. Everything you have been saying, has been on point.
Always an insightful analysis. Wonderfully articulated.
As the Rebellion grows, so shall the Empire! Love Andor and good video! Ty 👍
We most Star Wars fans fail to remember is that the Stormtrooper Corps are the Empire's elite forces think of them as an equivalent to the U.S. Navy SEALS so in reality they wouldn't be seen that often .
Ok they’re definitely not an equivalent to the seals lol.
Death troopers are equivalent to navy seals/delta force ect. Storm troopers are more on the level of US marines. A little bit better than normal infantry but not special forces.
@@iamjames8200 perfect description
The lack of stormtroopers gave me the vibe that the two settings were un important to the empire. Like outposts not major bases. Like the engineer and the commander were saying they rent the land for goat pelts the resources of storm troopers are expensive and not needed on Aldani in the empires eyes. Love Andor so far.
great points
One way to look at it
We have to remember the Stormtroopers were the crack forces when things got hot and more often than not they are assigned to Star Destroyers which have mechanics on how they are deployed themselves between Sectors and Oversectors (Moffs and Grand Moffs)
Meaning?
This could be a case of escalation which is playing:
1) Local Corpos
2) Imperial Army
3) Imperial Navy with a detachment of Stormtroopers
4) Oh look the SSD Executor with Lord Vader onboard
Given we still have an episode with an Imperial Star Destroyer to show up no doubt where there is an ISD there is what was it 5,000 Stormtroopers to go with it?
Well said. Great vlog.
Rogue One is truly the only Star Wars movie to show how dangerous the storm troopers truly are - living up to the description Ben gave of them in the original film. I like that they haven't shown them just yet because I'm positive that when we finally do, it'll be truly memorable and tense.
This show pulls you out of the safety of your seat watching it from a distance into the danger of their lives so you know them as people, and care when something happens to them, and that is good storytelling.
With all of the imperial senate stuff I would LOVE to see what the imperial variant of the senate guards look like in canon
Couldn't agree me. They'll be introduced soon enough but not in the traditional way. They'll probably give a horrifying take on them. This show is amazing.
Making these familiar aspects of the Empire that we often see as cannon fodder into legitimate threats is one of the things I love about the side stories in Star Wars. One of my biggest issues with the movies (The sequels in particular) was that they felt they had to make everything bigger for us to care. "Oh, look. It's the Death Star, but BIGGER! And now it's the Death Star, but the size of a planet! Now there's THOUSANDS of planet-killing spaceships! And the Emperor is back, but with BIGGER Force Lightning!" Meanwhile, my favorite episodes of The Mandalorian were about fighting ONE AT-ST and fighting ONE Tie Fighter and a single squad of Stormtroopers.
As large as the Stormtrooper corp is, they simply do not have the numbers to be everywhere, all the time. They are also considered shock troops or elite, thus more then a few back water posts would be the purview of the Imperial Army. So too, would worlds where major ground campaigns are going. Stormtroopers would and do see deployments, but would usually be, once again, to spear head a very important attack, to strike at vital targets, or to step in when the local military has lost it's edge or has become 'less then reliable'. Or so says, The Imperial Sourcebook.
Actually, we have already seen stormtroopers in Andor, in episode 6 (the eye) when we first see the Alkenzi Air Command, we see can see a bunch of stormtroopers in the bottom platform
Spot on! This video is an excellent analysis of Andor, a fantastic story. After the heist, I have a bad feeling the heavy hitters will show up! Which ones? We’ll have to wait and see!
To be honest, I never missed the stormtroopers. They have always been on our faces throughout the movies, and TV shows thus far. I'll be watching to see what Tony has in store for them in future episodes.
I think it's a good decision to show the slow movement of the imperial oppression. As we see in Bad Batch the Empire immediately began shifting gears towards the conscript storm troopers, but they were still soldiers. The use of more standard troops in these earlier days of the rebellion will serve to show the escalation of force. I have a feeling the planetary retaliation plans will see the deployment of these forces en mass. People need to remember the original trilogy (even rogue 1) are several years into open rebellion, of course the Empire has stormtroopers every where. To be honest, I've always felt that the storm troopers probably started getting lower quality gear and training as the rebellion wore on, as more ordinary soldiers got transferred for the shock and awe factor.
I’m loving the direction that Andor is going and I want more.
Excellent, most excellent I agree!.. great video as per usual! 👍✊🙌
I absolutely agree with you 100%! Love your content!
They filmed some of the remaining season in a small town near where I live. (Lancashire, UK) There were Stormtroopers on set, so we will see them in the series.
Excellent content as always. I agree with Your view on not putting a series in a box. That allows it to grow. I watched the original trilogy when they were released originally released in theaters. I say that to say Andor is so far my favorite. Not that it’s better than the OT, but helps expand my view and appreciation of them and Star Wars as a whole. Continued success in Your content and May the Force be with You
Brilliant in site you have expressed something I didn't know I was thinking!
It also looks like Cyril has some Stormtrooper action figures. I think it was near the end of chapter 5 when he's pouting in his bedroom. I think we are building up to Stormtroopers
What's a stormtrooper? JK.
I agree. Build up to it. Like the end of Rogue One when we hear/see Vader's lightsaber... Terrifying. It worked as it was supposed to. I love how, in a certain way, less is more with Andor. I love the action figures (little Jyn in Rogue One and even seen in this series) of the stormtroopers. I hope there aren't too many fan-panderings imo. Great channel. Great content. Thank you!
I think the problem is that the shows and films have built up a visual aesthetic which is shorthand for what Star Wars is, and this show has leaned less into that than any other show or film. The first arc could have been set in any gritty futuristic universe. I don't have a problem with this, since, as you say, the only way for the franchise to grow is for it to push the boundaries of what counts as Star Wars, but I can understand where people are coming from.
Andor has become one of my favorite additions to the SW universe. I love seeing lightsabers, Jedi, Sith, and uproarious battles. But seeing how the Empire has destroyed the simplest culture on a backwater world, the push to revolution, the creation of a rebellious agent to destroy the oppressors is a story we need to experience.
Stormtroopers represent the Empire in it's ugliest form, which we haven't really seen yet in Andor. We've seen the results of oppression, but not the oppression itself mostly. Stormtroopers aren't scary because they're more dangerous than an army trooper, but their facelessness allows the empire to show it's true nature.
If I had to guess what the first scene with stormtroopers would be, I suspect it will involve them slaughtering a group of defenseless people, similar to how in ANH we saw them massacre the crew of the Tantive IV or (offscreen) kill the Jawas and the Lars.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see Karn become a stormtrooper or at least work with them very closely.
Yeah, there's a lot to be said for "rehabilitating" the Empire into a portrayal as an actually terrifying entity. Stormtroopers that actually dominate a fight, the ISB as an actual scary secret police force, TIEs that terrorize.
i like that they arent using stormtroopers yet, they need to be treated as elite soldier and not clumsy common foot soldiers
great self awareness
We saw them in the hanger at the airbase
Agree with everything in this video.
I've not minded actually. As you've said, it allows us to see the faces of the empire, the Individual soldiers, officer, techs, etc. And has allowed us a glimmer into their humanity (at the end of episode 6 when both the army troopers and the natives are just staring mesmerised at the eye) but also showing how their paths in life have lead them to being part of this imperial machine. As was the intention of the rebels episode "through imperial eyes" we finally see and understand why regular people would become part of this regime. Stormtroopers, by contrast, do not have the same effect. They represent the faceless power of the empire - taking that remaining humanity seen in the imperial troops in episodes 5 and 6, and processing it through the imperial machine again and again untill all that's left is hundreds and thousands if human shaped figures all sharing the same motionless face. Thematically facing down the corpos and the imperial army (deffinantky an escalation from one to the other) is still facing down "the people of the empire". Facing stormtroopers is "facing THE empire".
In-universe we also know that the stormtrooper corp ls was only part of the imperial millitary machine with the imperial army and navy also having their own dedicated troopers for missions - such as the imperial army seen here and in solo (dubbed "mud-troooers" as they fought on the front line in the trenches during the wars if imperial expansion). Even in the first new-canon thrawn book stormtroopers were only deployed to capture thrawn after the future grand-admiral had tackled with the navy-troopers present on the planet. Stormtroopers are assigned to key facilities and bases for security, such as ISD's, production centres / factories such as Lothal and Corellia, and primary bases such as the death Star, or possibly the main base that the TIE's were deployed from in episode 6 of andor. Other imperial facilities likely didn't need such security, so just as with the base seen here which wasn't the main imperial airfield, security was handled by other imperial forces - in this case the imperial army. So whilst the crew of the ghost in starwars rebels were always bumping into the old bucket heads because Lothal was being developed into a production site for imperial war machines and later the TIE defender (and also because in animation it is cheeper to reproduce one model Vs creating multiple differnet models with individual faces) Andor has yet to hit an imperial target which is that "big" or significant YET! Now that news of his and his groups heist has reached corousant the baby gloves are off, and the terror of the elite storm trooper corp is likely to be felt.