pretty much, tesla actually open up their charging to be a standard because a new law in the US, they didnt have to but by doing so I think they get money or something.
Except 1. The adaptor already comes with the charger, 2. It’s trivial in both cost and space to carry adaptors inside a car (you just leave it in the car?) compared to carrying an extra cable/dongle for your mobile device when traveling and 3. There’s nothing in CCS that’s inherently incompatible with Tesla port, in fact any Tesla adaptor to CCS simply does power pass through.
One of 2 things can happen if they go forward in regards to the layout, either they extend the cables (retractable or just straight up longer) or they reorient the chargers the same way gas pumps are. Glad to see things are getting unified.
I dont know aubout the US, but in europe Tesla is opeining its first V4 superchargers right now, and they acutally have longer cables. Which is good news I think.
Or buy a Tesla. Not happy that the also rans will charge at the Tesla Fast chargers. The companies making the EV cars, should build their own charging network.
@@Purfefun2 If all the manufacturers built their own networks/plugs that would create so much waste. It would be a repeat of when cellphones used to have different plugs, which is why phone manufacturers made the switch to USB-C, and why Apple is being forced to switch.
So upgrading current gen 3 chargers at the current locations? If it means installing a new gen 4 charger that may take Tesla years to complete presumably?
But what about giving priority to Tesla owners if stalls are being occupied or one truck taking up two stalls kinda situation? Hope Tesla has through this through.
Yes, mine too! Before, I would not get one due to the lack of practicality and the fact that I don’t have the money. But now, it’s just because I don’t have the money 😂😂
Wow what an up to date real life scenario for Fast Charging networks. I like you videos and also love Mr. State of Charge's channel. Good stuff guys. Just about to pick up my ne Kia EV6 tomorrow but will be charging at home 95% of the time I hope. Interesting times.
1:35 It defaulted to 0.00, 0.00 GPS coordinates. Notice it has the UK at the top in the middle, and the equator in the middle. It's a common sight to see when messing with programs/apps that have maps.
MKBHD giving shout outs to other content creators is one of my favorite things. That was such a pleasant and organic experience caught on camera and it was fun to be along for the ride.
I can say for sure they wont be happy if your taking 2 stalls to charge the Ioniq 5 since the charge port is on the passenger side, and if half the stalls are open but all of them are not in your placement then your screwed if they are all tesla owners
@@Del_987 the manufacturers should place their charge port on the rear driver side or front passenger. Putting it wherever just to be different is what’s causing this issue. Or at least they can be like Porsche and put it on both sides. The longer the cable the slower the charging.
Nice video and helpful feedback for owners and the industry. Seems like any easy fix (a number of solutions seem possible) to a problem that will become more common as more EVs hit the road.
Shoutout to Tom from @stateofcharge and @insideevs. Tesla needs to Limit CCS vehicles based on their charge port. They will also need a queuing system. New site designs need to be pull-through instead of back-in spots. And the government can help by mandating the location of charge-ports instead of Auto manufacturers putting them where ever they want. Gas (Ice) vehicles have the gas port on the rear left or right not anywhere they want like EV’s.
@@earthling_parth As of recent, I'm with Dave, unfortunately. I've been researching the Bolt EUV, even sat in one (didn't have time to test drive), but given my current situation (no house for home charging, I live in an apartment) and the state of my city's public charging (in a city that's just about top 10 US city by population)... fully electric or even plug-in hybrid just isn't in my near future. I'm also quite curious about the climate impact of fully electric vs. hybrid vs. combustion manufacturing, operation, and lifespan. And very interested in your Bolt EUV purchase, especially if you managed to get a 2023 as Marques got me (and you?) very, very interested in. :) haha
@@KrisS602 I'm not anti-EV, but actually the climate impacts (and human slavery impacts of mineral mining such as cobalt in Africa) of battery production are pretty horrible overall. It's under-reported because everyone is trying to push the EV adoption narrative, but I hesitate to call it green (when you consider the ENTIRE process) as is being promoted.
Definitely need to have longer cables now and some parking etiquette. I don’t think it should roll out yet at very busy stations just yet until they figure out all of those other logistics. Overall though it’s going to be great to have a reliable charge network for everyone.
Only problem with longer cables, more copper. Idiots are already cutting charging cables to scrap copper. Shutting down the stations and costing 1000s in damage.
Tesla has charging ports on both sides (left and right), so i don`t see a problem: someone else caould charge tesla right next to Marques, from both sides
Marques, the map in your app defaulted to Africa because that is at zero degrees latitude and zero degrees longitude. The place in focus is called Null Island. It is a common place to go if the app does not have your current location, history of location that you previously used it at or the app is not completely implemented to handle location correctly. I think the latter might be the case here. :)
@@guelphdgc7995 Center of the Mercator projection*. The center of the Earth is about 5,150°C degrees warmer than equator and maps aren't very useful there ;)
Good points. They need to figure out the parking stalls and cable lengths. I’m a Tesla owner and this is potentially a big deal for us, not only having other vehicles taking up not only taking up one stall, but TWO!! Good for non-Teslas to have SC access but a huge negative for Teslas. Decreases one of the huge selling points for Teslas. Thx for your video.
At this point it is not all superchargers, just a select few lower traffic sites, and not even all chargers within those sites. Tesla is never going to dramatically compromise at the expense of their own customers.
I love that you ran into other youtubers doing the same thing as you. It's crazy how the short cable - something standard at the hundreds of super chargers - is posing _such_ a problem for almost all other EVs.
@@DarkMatter1992 If you think about the fact, that for most chargers, you pay for the kWh including the charging losses, I'd rather have a short cable. If they would install longer cables, every Tesla owner would have to pay more, because of the other cars. The much better solution would be, if companies could agree on a location for the charge port.
@@onezweithree I understand from that perspective, but has anyone actually done the calculations to see what the effective loss is over certain lengths? For example, if the cable was 2m longer, would you have to pay 20 cents extra or 2 dollars for a standard charging session? Sure, it will add up over time, but that's just the cost of convenience and peace of mind.
This is the type of info I am interested in seeing as I consider the EV options as it is likely a big part of what users will deal with on a regular basis if not exclusively charging at home whether because of long commute, schedule, or traveling.
This was so tastefully laid back and wholesome with the other ev owners participating. I felt as close to Marques in terms of acquaintance as I could possibly feel even though I'm watching a video. Good stuff. 👏🏾
@@hugh_jasso I don't think they meant they felt a longtime parasocial relationship with Marques. It's just the general vibe of this video/channel they got, probably since it's not scripted, he's just vlogging using a phone, whatever; it feels more laidback and slightly personal. Still a good idea to keep yourself in check and have some healthy real-life relationships though
We test drove the Rivian truck and loved it. However, it wasn't quite what we wanted or needed at that time. We are now the proud owners of a 2023 Ford F150 Lightning and absolutely LOVE it! We are eagerly awaiting the Tesla adapter so that we can travel farther from home. The current Charge Point or Plug Share chargers are just too far apart here in the Midwest. We're ordering a Mach E in a couple of months. :D Love your channel!!!
We've had this for half a year in Norway, as Tesla opened up all their chargers for all EVs around september/october last year. It has worked well so far I'd say, but yes the "where do you park" issue has come up. Several stations have improved their layout though, so you can park at a charger "in any direction" so to say. So you don't take up 2 spots at once.
Norway is better placed than most of Europe or the UK - they thought this through long ago and were better prepared. UK is bad for non teslas blocking out bays and we are now seeing big queues for the first time ever. Bit of a disaster really.
@@constantinnescu1564 The charging cables are a little bit longer. Also all EVs come with the same charging port, so you can charge basically anywhere.
this is so refreshing, a video without all the gimmicks, traps and baiting just full on valuable content and taking us on a journey with a simple one camera vlogging set up.
They could offer extenders on the side of those chargers (fastened by some kind of metal wire pulley). That way you are able to extend the cord if necessary.
Tesla mentioned yesterday that their new Superchargers (they are releasing in Europe first) have longer cables to accommodate all the different charge port positions. This will eventually be implemented in the US as well and that should help with the parking and charging etiquette. Great and informative video by the way!
@@Old_Ladies The longer the cable the higher the transfer losses (internal resistance). It needs better cooling, going to be thicker. And they need to go for 800V charging, that halves the needed Amps and in turn reduces charge losses due to cable resistance.
We definitely need a consortium like they did for the USB-C. Get all the major car makers to agree on a charging port standard. I vote for a center plug on all cars- front or rear. That way you put the responsibility on the charging station to provide a length of cable to reach that location on the parking spot and all cars can use. If yours is in the back center, you back in. If yours is in the front center, you drive forward into the spot. It also gives the car manufacturers some flexibility to place the charging port in front or rear of the vehicle according to their design needs.
Today at Tesla Investor day they said they are aware of the cable length situation and have already engineered a solution that they will be rolling out when they update SC locations for non Tesla cars.
@@ManchesterUtdFan the problem is the amperage of the lines, you can’t just throw an extension cord on it and let the plug fall in the snow or a puddle.
I live in NYC, and the only on-the-street charger I've ever spotted is on E. 67th Street just off York Ave. It's from a company called Flo and its charging cables are *extremely* long -- if I had to guess I'd say they extend 12 feet. (They're so long, in fact, that at the halfway point they're suspended from a metal wire that's attached high atop the charging post.) Clearly the future demands that *all* chargers need cables this long -- not to mention a single universal charging port standard.
Definitely a game changer. I have an R1S coming in a few months and I was thinking about passing on it precisely because I was worried about how few chargers are out there.
Very good review and raising the issue of short cables and parking spots. Another F150 user had to try 3 stations before his truck would sync with the station.
The etiquette thing is legit gonna be interesting to see. Imagine you’re on a trip and 4 or 5 non teslas are just crowding up the stations like the gym during new years lmao . People gonna be brawling at the charge stations
@@ktwingstrom Not exclusive obviously, people just assumed it would be exclusive but you have to be a fool to think that since they opened up in Europe
I think you have an unrealistically high opinion of the general public haha. Americans don’t know what’s going on in Europe. They only know this used to be for Teslas and now some dude in a Hyundai is blocking my spot because his charge port is in the wrong spot. And they will be pissed. And I’m just saying it’s not wrong to be a bit irritated at the whole situation as a Tesla owner. If you took the time to do the research and made the concious decision to steer away from Non Teslas because you have a mostly guaranteed reliable fast network to charge on and now that’s stripped away? That’s irritating
Even with the logistics challenges, this looked like a better experience than dealing with the other charging networks, at least based on how they are portrayed in CZcams auto channel videos.
the other public chargers are actually horrendous. I have never ever had a good experience with them. Im glad Tesla opened them but now theres a whole other issue 😅
@@JPurewal The only time I used a public DC fast charger, it was quite painless. Just had to swipe my credit card, hit a few prompts, and plug in. I didn't even need an account or an app, so it was actually easier than using a Tesla charger like the one in this video would have been (since this video doesn't show the process of downloading the Tesla app and attaching a payment method to it).
We were on the way home to the SF Bay Area from LA and stopped by our usual exit in our Highlander along interstate 5. Note that there are many gas stations at this exit. There are something like eight SC sitting behind the Starbucks lot and all were in used. While sitting back there in the shade having a bite, five Teslas showed up needing a charge. As more people own and use their Tesla on road trips, we will be seeing more issues with this, not just other EV sharing a SC.
I'm from Europe and this clip is very useful specially since we are looking to get a non-Tesla EV in our family fleet and see early all issues when charging..
Love that Marques is an overall nice guy! It was great seeing him talk about Tesla chargers now being open to non-Tesla EVs while also talking to and helping other people he randomly met there.
Super interesting to see the differences in the mic quality depending on if the camera is facing Marques or facing away from him! Also love that Marques gave State of Charge a shoutout.
really good video thank you for showing this off, this seems like a short term road bump but hopefully will help increase confidence in EVs in general and grow the network of EV charger stations exponentially ... also could be an easy fix if an option in the future becomes available (or maybe available now I don't know) for non tesla EV owners to have some sort of extension cable they can get to help solve this situation for them.
The fact that Marques talks about an specific random and less than 1% of probably happening in a video, ending happening was amazing. This video is unique in so many ways. love this guy
So fun to see Tom there charging with MKBHD. He's the GOAT of home EVSEs and State of Charge is a great channel. It was also funny to see how bad he felt about mispronouncing Marques' name.
oh geez he does reports for insideEVs too, I thought he looked familiar. Really makes you wonder if they sort of planned to meet together. seems like a massive coincidence two big names in EVs are just randomly together at 1 single supercharger
@@jmen1333 Tell me you're a conspiracy theorist without telling me you're a conspiracy theorist. Jared went first. What gain would they have from pretending to meet randomly? Over just saying "I invited a few fellow youtubers over to see what their experience is like". You should try more time thinking before coming to conclusions
It’s not Teslas fault the Ford does not know we’re to put a charging port. If you cant get the cable to reach go to your Ford dealer and use there charger😮
@@bobkephart2086 what's your problem. I don't think we were talking about that. Anyway, there isn't a right or wrong location for a charging port. The biggest problem is Tesla building their charging locations without any thought of the future. If they planned for this it wouldn't be a problem.
We rented a Poleatar 2 and took a detour to try the magic doc at Scotts Valley CA. Charge port is also on the left rear panel so I didnt have to take up two stalls. Worked well in my case.
Great video! I like having this figured out before needing to use one. Just took delivery of my R1S. Saw a MachE at a Rivian charger in Toledo when I tried out a Rivian Supercharger the other day.
In Norway they opened up a few chargers first, but within a year most all Superchargers are open to all brands. Including some of the very busiest spots. Recently they've been offering some of the cheapest pricing as well.
As Out of spec channels of Kyle Connor who often travel to Norway has shown that country has a very high density of chargers as at home as public level II as direct current chargers along roads (low speed, medium speed, high speed in kW) on the streets in the cities, in the parking spots in lots of organizations, at ALL parking spots in airports, at the gas stations and so on. Norway easily can get by without even having any Tesla superchargers since all Tesla’s are CCS there. That is why it made sense to open all Tesla superchargers to public since those DC chargers are not perceived as bespoken for Tesla like in the USA but rather another part of public infrastructure although private but meant to provide excessive redundancy in charging so nobody can even think if having an EV on the road how, when will be able to recharge to continue the journey. It has become driving an EV there like driving a gasoline car in the USA - hop in and go where you need to go. The same CZcamsr shows places where gasoline/petrol stations in Norway have left only one pump working with the rest of spots refurbished with DC chargers for EVs. That is why charging an EV in Norway is like charging a cell phone in the USA - just plug, charge, use it. And by the way towing with EVs is not an issue since most are pull through charging stations especially Tesla ones. The only problem in Norway is for travelers with EVs from outside the country to create an inside Norway account with a local phone to unlock the public chargers. However unlocking Tesla is as easy as it is in the USA.
@@nevco8774 The whole app-thing is a proper pain in the a** for a Norwegian as well, taking up a whole home screen page on my phone w/various EV charging apps.. Hopefully new legislation mandating card payment options should be coming soon.
The priceless camera time from other content creators just really shows what type of person you are Marques, I applaud you and tip my hat off to you, ps I believe this was my second comment since I started watching CZcams in 2007. It def moved me. 🙏🏼
The 1 charger that is offset on the the end is for a tesla with a trailer so they can back in and the charger is appropriately spaced to accommodate the trailer
Agreed. At the same time I would have appreciated a shout out to Tesla for making it possible and not spreading FUD about possible future problems for Tesla owners. Its quite obvious that Tesla more than likely has it figured out because how they are rolling it out and how Tesla vehicles know how many of its chargers are occupied for how long.
He is a fool. Is the cable too short for him? Didn't imagine that their car is wrong? Where are the Ford or Lucid charging networks with the long cables?
I love the on the fly interview/interaction with other EV drivers… I would love to see a wider ranging video in a similar style asking people at chargers about their experiences owning EV’s
We've had this in Norway for a little while on all superchargers installed after the Model 3 started shipping. As with EU regulations (I think) the model 3 used a standard charging port and not the Tesla exclusive. So all superchargers installed after that, are fitted with 2 cables instead of an adapter. So it was done purely via software to enable all vehicles to charge at their chargers. Not sure if all are unlocked yet, but many are :)
Damn - wish I could've seen a wide shot of that Rivian and F150 next to each other. But other than that gr8 video!!! Seems like an adaptor for extra length is an easy fix.
Very informative video. I’m not an EV owner at the moment, and I suspect I will wait on making that move until most of these things are worked out. I’ve never been an early adopter of new technology.
Just a thing to keep in mind for folks new to EVs. This cable adapter only works with vehicles that support DCFC. The connector is for CCS (Combined Charging Systems); the circle with 3 holes and oval on bottom with 2. Older vehicles like the Chevrolet Volt, for example, only support AC charging or just the top circle (J1172). The Tesla converter won't fit with these. Most newer EVs will support DC fast charging, so you can take advantage of the Tesla chargers if you'd like.
This thing can be solved either by making the cable longer, or by standardizing where the plug is on the vehicle across the industry. I think we can look to gas stations however and draw wisdom from that. Just make it so that a car can pull up on either side depending on where the manufacturer has installed the fuel port. Zero friction.
I loved him talking to other people who randomly happened to be there. Great he wasn't the only one to have that idea. MKBHD is a great guy for also shouting out the guy's channel. Win win I suppose :)
I only charge my Audi E-tron at Tesla stations in Norway after they opened up. The cable is long enough if you park your car sideways across a couple or three stalls. Typically no problem in Norway where capacity is more than great enough so that no one is bothered. Some stations do have longer cables or the charging station is placed midway in the stall.
I was so happy when more ppl came and yall started talking about this! It was really cool and kind of wholesome 😂. I think they should invest in longer cables and car manufacturers should make their charging port doors move upward bc for the Ford F-150 the charging port door is what was not allowing the cable to reach.
Great Video... Real time, and REAL WORD Info... * Perhaps Ford should consider going with a top open flap over the charger connection instead of a front side swing door approach? * Shared you on my Socials!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Don't! It happens! MKBHD is super light-hearted and I can almost promise he (as well as the audience) will chuckle about it, and that's that. We all make goofs! :)
After a few months, the strain on those cables is going to cause some serious issues. They definitely need some extending cables that you can pull out of the charger that click at certain increments.
It's great to see everyone being nice and polite about it all. Unfortunately there will be some drivers who aren't so nice. I have to admit that the Charging infrastructure is one of the biggest hurdles to me going to an EV. The others being price and range. We will see what the future holds.
Here's a fix. Move the door for the charge port to open towards the drivers side door vs away. That thing shaved like 3-4 inches off the length of the cable alone. If the door open the opposite way it would have more clearance.
Hi, good review. There are a number of chargers in the Netherlands which are open to Non-Tesla owners. I've no idea whether they have the same issues as you describe, however, we don't see as many large EVs as you guys have on the roads. I think that the Netherlands trial is a pre-cursor to rolling it out across Europe. Regards, Eddy (UK).
I was charging my VW ID.4 at a relatively busy Tesla charging station in Denmark, and there was some annoyance on how I was parked to charge… the ID.4 has it at the back right which would indeed make one spot obsolete. One Tesla owner talked to me saying I should turn the car around (not working with those short cables) and why I was using ‘their’ chargers. 😮 in The Netherlands there are loads of chargers so no big issue here.
Great video here, man. You couldn't have asked for a better scenario with the variety of EVs. Hoping for a future where chargers and ports are standardized.
@@DrewPera Not just unofficial, it's literally the official standard. Tesla got grandfathered in since they preceded the CCS rollout in the US. But at this point, they really need to start converting over to the standard. These adapters prove they can do it easily enough.
Marques getting friends outside of the usually cellphone tech is a breath of fresh air. That’s nice.
Dude's ahead of the curve. It makes total sense - cars are becoming rolling smartphones
Yea, it felt unique how he just randomly ran into people trying out the new tech and made a video with them.
@@PixelRuzt he should do more of this
Don't be weird
No it's not , they just talking from their ass
This is like the introduction of USBC all over again
pretty much, tesla actually open up their charging to be a standard because a new law in the US, they didnt have to but by doing so I think they get money or something.
There is no law. There is an act offering billions in funding. Tesla would have done this eventually, but this accelerates those plans
Except 1. The adaptor already comes with the charger, 2. It’s trivial in both cost and space to carry adaptors inside a car (you just leave it in the car?) compared to carrying an extra cable/dongle for your mobile device when traveling and 3. There’s nothing in CCS that’s inherently incompatible with Tesla port, in fact any Tesla adaptor to CCS simply does power pass through.
@@robertohernandez1642 tesla wanted the government money so they had to open it up
United States bowling Congress?
This is great! And then he was like this are exactly what the companies need to see so they know what to improve upon. Great job!
One of 2 things can happen if they go forward in regards to the layout, either they extend the cables (retractable or just straight up longer) or they reorient the chargers the same way gas pumps are. Glad to see things are getting unified.
I dont know aubout the US, but in europe Tesla is opeining its first V4 superchargers right now, and they acutally have longer cables. Which is good news I think.
Put the chargers in-between the slots instead of in-front?
Or buy a Tesla. Not happy that the also rans will charge at the Tesla Fast chargers. The companies making the EV cars, should build their own charging network.
@@Purfefun2 If all the manufacturers built their own networks/plugs that would create so much waste. It would be a repeat of when cellphones used to have different plugs, which is why phone manufacturers made the switch to USB-C, and why Apple is being forced to switch.
@@Purfefun2 Or don't buy from a manufacturer that causes these problems in the first place.. Ever heard of Apple 🙄
As a Tesla engineer, this is a pilot program, and if it works, we eventually plan to provide longer cables at each charging station.
So upgrading current gen 3 chargers at the current locations? If it means installing a new gen 4 charger that may take Tesla years to complete presumably?
But what about giving priority to Tesla owners if stalls are being occupied or one truck taking up two stalls kinda situation? Hope Tesla has through this through.
@@mindseye4914 The point of a pilot is to see how it all pans out and make plans accordingly to think through further expansion.
@@lrod8692 sounds like a hater
@@lrod8692 just buy a tesla. I just bought a model y long range and i love it.
This definitely changes my perspective on possibly getting a BMW eDrive40. Very cool of you to give "State of Charge" a shout out as well 👍🏽
Just don't take up 2 spaces cause I'd be pi55ed.
Yes, mine too! Before, I would not get one due to the lack of practicality and the fact that I don’t have the money. But now, it’s just because I don’t have the money 😂😂
Conversely, I'm ready to get rid of my Tesla with all other brands hogging up an already overused charging network.
Changes my perspective as well possibly getting a Tesla. These charging stations will be constantly full.
Just get a Tesla
Wow what an up to date real life scenario for Fast Charging networks. I like you videos and also love Mr. State of Charge's channel. Good stuff guys. Just about to pick up my ne Kia EV6 tomorrow but will be charging at home 95% of the time I hope. Interesting times.
Thank you for posting this video. ❤
1:35 It defaulted to 0.00, 0.00 GPS coordinates. Notice it has the UK at the top in the middle, and the equator in the middle. It's a common sight to see when messing with programs/apps that have maps.
Yeah but your logic doesn't help the joke.
@@punkchaz 😂😂
That's Null Island!
I feel like a better default would be the map maker’s headquarters. Like how iPhone’s weather app used to default to Cupertino.
Beat me to it.
MKBHD giving shout outs to other content creators is one of my favorite things. That was such a pleasant and organic experience caught on camera and it was fun to be along for the ride.
I used to be a subscriber of his too!
On That guys youtube channel his last 3 videos had 9k views now this one has 30k views in 9 hours😂😂
What is MKBHD?
@@pyoodiepie He's the person you just watched in this video.
@@ogheneovoojugo5343
😂😂😂 MK effect
You are so aware of the nuances and why they matter! Fantastic!
Wow! Really cool to see the variety of cars and the problems they come with. You gotta collab with these guys again!
"I mean, it's working which is amazing" every charging company's CEO just felt an acute pain in their heart
Haha fr Tesla’s charging stations are superior to others, Electrify America and all the others are going to lose some customers
As a ioniq 5 owner I can already feel the Tesla owners giving me a weird look if I'm taking a spot at a busy super charger lol
I can say for sure they wont be happy if your taking 2 stalls to charge the Ioniq 5 since the charge port is on the passenger side, and if half the stalls are open but all of them are not in your placement then your screwed if they are all tesla owners
Tesla should have given it a longer charging cable
@@Del_987 the manufacturers should place their charge port on the rear driver side or front passenger. Putting it wherever just to be different is what’s causing this issue. Or at least they can be like Porsche and put it on both sides.
The longer the cable the slower the charging.
I would be happy cause I never see Ionic 5s in person
@@the0ne786 Why on the side? Why not just on the front and back?
Nice video and helpful feedback for owners and the industry. Seems like any easy fix (a number of solutions seem possible) to a problem that will become more common as more EVs hit the road.
Great to see you helping out other youtubers ❤
I can't believe this is the Tom and MKBHD crossover. State of charge does great charger reviews and great EV reviews
That’s a great channel. Very thorough.
State of charge is great! It seems that Out of Spec Dave was at the same location too, but earlier that day
@@mina8887 I saw that too!
ikr. Seeing Tom pulling up I was like whaauauuauauaa
Shoutout to Tom from @stateofcharge and @insideevs. Tesla needs to Limit CCS vehicles based on their charge port. They will also need a queuing system. New site designs need to be pull-through instead of back-in spots. And the government can help by mandating the location of charge-ports instead of Auto manufacturers putting them where ever they want. Gas (Ice) vehicles have the gas port on the rear left or right not anywhere they want like EV’s.
Good to see a nice little EV community forming in that charging lot haha, hopefully stays cordial
I’m completely convinced that a EV is NOT in my near future. They cause anxiety and stress. I’m a Hybrid guy 👍
@@zoobrizz okay... Anyway, I recently bought the Bolt EUV and I'm very happy with that purchase 😄
Read “Changing a non-Tesla car into a Tesla supercharger” 😢
@@earthling_parth As of recent, I'm with Dave, unfortunately. I've been researching the Bolt EUV, even sat in one (didn't have time to test drive), but given my current situation (no house for home charging, I live in an apartment) and the state of my city's public charging (in a city that's just about top 10 US city by population)... fully electric or even plug-in hybrid just isn't in my near future.
I'm also quite curious about the climate impact of fully electric vs. hybrid vs. combustion manufacturing, operation, and lifespan. And very interested in your Bolt EUV purchase, especially if you managed to get a 2023 as Marques got me (and you?) very, very interested in. :) haha
@@KrisS602 I'm not anti-EV, but actually the climate impacts (and human slavery impacts of mineral mining such as cobalt in Africa) of battery production are pretty horrible overall. It's under-reported because everyone is trying to push the EV adoption narrative, but I hesitate to call it green (when you consider the ENTIRE process) as is being promoted.
30-85% charge = 55% for $30usd. So that = $54.55 for a full charge of your Rivian. That’s not a whole lot cheaper than gasoline in some states!! 😂
*I would like to see more of these on the road shows--this was a good one.*
Definitely need to have longer cables now and some parking etiquette. I don’t think it should roll out yet at very busy stations just yet until they figure out all of those other logistics. Overall though it’s going to be great to have a reliable charge network for everyone.
V4 in Europe is getting longer charging cables
Only problem with longer cables, more copper. Idiots are already cutting charging cables to scrap copper. Shutting down the stations and costing 1000s in damage.
Don't know about tesla but some are moving to aluminium cables now anyhow
Tesla has charging ports on both sides (left and right), so i don`t see a problem: someone else caould charge tesla right next to Marques, from both sides
@@llMarvelous ?
Marques, the map in your app defaulted to Africa because that is at zero degrees latitude and zero degrees longitude. The place in focus is called Null Island. It is a common place to go if the app does not have your current location, history of location that you previously used it at or the app is not completely implemented to handle location correctly. I think the latter might be the case here. :)
Exactly what I thought. Middle of nowhere? Center of the earth? Thanks for the info.
Interesting stuff
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@@guelphdgc7995 Center of the Mercator projection*. The center of the Earth is about 5,150°C degrees warmer than equator and maps aren't very useful there ;)
No app is with us 👴🏻
Good points. They need to figure out the parking stalls and cable lengths. I’m a Tesla owner and this is potentially a big deal for us, not only having other vehicles taking up not only taking up one stall, but TWO!! Good for non-Teslas to have SC access but a huge negative for Teslas. Decreases one of the huge selling points for Teslas. Thx for your video.
At this point it is not all superchargers, just a select few lower traffic sites, and not even all chargers within those sites. Tesla is never going to dramatically compromise at the expense of their own customers.
@@bamboom9201 It's probably going to be 1-2 open chargers per station.
I Live in Westchester, NY and these dont look to far away thanks for the advice and showing us how to do it.
I really like this style of unscripted content. Feels so much more genuine
Scam
this was completely planned and clickbait, shame
@@ronniepaulinc 👀
@@ronniepaulinc My comment?
I love that you ran into other youtubers doing the same thing as you. It's crazy how the short cable - something standard at the hundreds of super chargers - is posing _such_ a problem for almost all other EVs.
The longer the cable, the more electrical resistance.
A small price to pay, but I don't think the difference would be that noticeable when you're only talking about 5 to 10m of extra length.
@@DarkMatter1992 If you think about the fact, that for most chargers, you pay for the kWh including the charging losses, I'd rather have a short cable. If they would install longer cables, every Tesla owner would have to pay more, because of the other cars. The much better solution would be, if companies could agree on a location for the charge port.
@@onezweithree I understand from that perspective, but has anyone actually done the calculations to see what the effective loss is over certain lengths? For example, if the cable was 2m longer, would you have to pay 20 cents extra or 2 dollars for a standard charging session? Sure, it will add up over time, but that's just the cost of convenience and peace of mind.
@HansZuDemFranz but Public super chargers have a longer cable but are still cheaper. How does that work?
This is the type of info I am interested in seeing as I consider the EV options as it is likely a big part of what users will deal with on a regular basis if not exclusively charging at home whether because of long commute, schedule, or traveling.
Great video. I like that you showed how the app works and the costs etc. Thanks!
This was so tastefully laid back and wholesome with the other ev owners participating. I felt as close to Marques in terms of acquaintance as I could possibly feel even though I'm watching a video.
Good stuff. 👏🏾
A bit parasocial there but good for you
That doesn't sound healthy. You should get out and meet people in real life.
@Hugh Jasso no joke. Remember the cell phone fiascos and the CZcams rewind? Only reason I know who he is
@@hugh_jasso I don't think they meant they felt a longtime parasocial relationship with Marques. It's just the general vibe of this video/channel they got, probably since it's not scripted, he's just vlogging using a phone, whatever; it feels more laidback and slightly personal. Still a good idea to keep yourself in check and have some healthy real-life relationships though
These EV episodes have been extremely informative and eye opening. Especially for no EV owners like me. Thank you.
good to see you out and about
Great update. Nice to know. Great video.❤
Cool to see MKBHD and State of Charge together!
Markeys
Marques is such a nice guy who gave State of Charge a shoutout.
yeah thats huge.
Yet he couldnt even pronounce his name correctly. Geesh
Yo Marques is such a genuine and cool dude…. So humble like he’s not one of the biggest CZcamsrs around 😅…
We test drove the Rivian truck and loved it. However, it wasn't quite what we wanted or needed at that time. We are now the proud owners of a 2023 Ford F150 Lightning and absolutely LOVE it! We are eagerly awaiting the Tesla adapter so that we can travel farther from home. The current Charge Point or Plug Share chargers are just too far apart here in the Midwest. We're ordering a Mach E in a couple of months. :D Love your channel!!!
I love how you're just hanging out on the charger and integrating the people there into the video. This was a great video :)
We've had this for half a year in Norway, as Tesla opened up all their chargers for all EVs around september/october last year. It has worked well so far I'd say, but yes the "where do you park" issue has come up. Several stations have improved their layout though, so you can park at a charger "in any direction" so to say. So you don't take up 2 spots at once.
Norway is better placed than most of Europe or the UK - they thought this through long ago and were better prepared. UK is bad for non teslas blocking out bays and we are now seeing big queues for the first time ever. Bit of a disaster really.
Are the charging cables long enough ? I mean in Norway. Did they change them or how was the transition done ?
@@constantinnescu1564 The charging cables are a little bit longer. Also all EVs come with the same charging port, so you can charge basically anywhere.
and European EVs are usually smaller than those US monster trucks , this is probably also helping %)
@@doubledutch13 sorry, but looks like "Bit of a disaster" is common for UK :)
this is so refreshing, a video without all the gimmicks, traps and baiting just full on valuable content and taking us on a journey with a simple one camera vlogging set up.
They could offer extenders on the side of those chargers (fastened by some kind of metal wire pulley).
That way you are able to extend the cord if necessary.
Tesla mentioned yesterday that their new Superchargers (they are releasing in Europe first) have longer cables to accommodate all the different charge port positions. This will eventually be implemented in the US as well and that should help with the parking and charging etiquette. Great and informative video by the way!
Yeah it is an easy solution. Why don't they have retractable cables like some gas stations?
@@Old_Ladies the longer the cable the more expensive
@@Old_Ladies The longer the cable the higher the transfer losses (internal resistance). It needs better cooling, going to be thicker. And they need to go for 800V charging, that halves the needed Amps and in turn reduces charge losses due to cable resistance.
I live in Europe, and I have not seen any yet.
V4 chargers they’re called. It was announced recently at Investor Day.
Bro, this is practical journalism at its finest, well done!
Love that the lighting was able to model if the experience would be positive or not.
We definitely need a consortium like they did for the USB-C. Get all the major car makers to agree on a charging port standard. I vote for a center plug on all cars- front or rear. That way you put the responsibility on the charging station to provide a length of cable to reach that location on the parking spot and all cars can use. If yours is in the back center, you back in. If yours is in the front center, you drive forward into the spot. It also gives the car manufacturers some flexibility to place the charging port in front or rear of the vehicle according to their design needs.
Most companies have agreed to adopt the Tesla charger.
Today at Tesla Investor day they said they are aware of the cable length situation and have already engineered a solution that they will be rolling out when they update SC locations for non Tesla cars.
Engineers: “WE HAVE TO PULL ALL NIGHTERS TO SOLVE THE CABLE ISSUE.”
Me: “Make them longer with extension lines.”
Y’all can thank me.
@@ManchesterUtdFan the problem is the amperage of the lines, you can’t just throw an extension cord on it and let the plug fall in the snow or a puddle.
That it took them this long is hilarious.
Your videos are very well produced, nice job young man
I live in NYC, and the only on-the-street charger I've ever spotted is on E. 67th Street just off York Ave. It's from a company called Flo and its charging cables are *extremely* long -- if I had to guess I'd say they extend 12 feet. (They're so long, in fact, that at the halfway point they're suspended from a metal wire that's attached high atop the charging post.) Clearly the future demands that *all* chargers need cables this long -- not to mention a single universal charging port standard.
State of Charge is a fantastic channel! So glad you were able to run into him.
I'm also glad State of Charge were able to run into MKBHD
@@recess7 exactly, because mkbhd was there first. they all ran into him lmao
State of Charge won the "free-advertising lotto" that day.
I'll take it!😎
Definitely a game changer. I have an R1S coming in a few months and I was thinking about passing on it precisely because I was worried about how few chargers are out there.
Very good review and raising the issue of short cables and parking spots. Another F150 user had to try 3 stations before his truck would sync with the station.
The etiquette thing is legit gonna be interesting to see. Imagine you’re on a trip and 4 or 5 non teslas are just crowding up the stations like the gym during new years lmao . People gonna be brawling at the charge stations
So? they were there first, you wait
But you bought a Tesla not just for the car but for the far superior and exclusive charging network. It’s gonna ruffle some feathers
@@ktwingstrom Not exclusive obviously, people just assumed it would be exclusive but you have to be a fool to think that since they opened up in Europe
I think you have an unrealistically high opinion of the general public haha. Americans don’t know what’s going on in Europe. They only know this used to be for Teslas and now some dude in a Hyundai is blocking my spot because his charge port is in the wrong spot. And they will be pissed. And I’m just saying it’s not wrong to be a bit irritated at the whole situation as a Tesla owner. If you took the time to do the research and made the concious decision to steer away from Non Teslas because you have a mostly guaranteed reliable fast network to charge on and now that’s stripped away? That’s irritating
@@LauS0 that’s not the right attitude.
Even with the logistics challenges, this looked like a better experience than dealing with the other charging networks, at least based on how they are portrayed in CZcams auto channel videos.
the other public chargers are actually horrendous. I have never ever had a good experience with them. Im glad Tesla opened them but now theres a whole other issue 😅
@@JPurewal The only time I used a public DC fast charger, it was quite painless. Just had to swipe my credit card, hit a few prompts, and plug in. I didn't even need an account or an app, so it was actually easier than using a Tesla charger like the one in this video would have been (since this video doesn't show the process of downloading the Tesla app and attaching a payment method to it).
nice of you for the shout out to tom from state of charge i like that channel
We were on the way home to the SF Bay Area from LA and stopped by our usual exit in our Highlander along interstate 5. Note that there are many gas stations at this exit. There are something like eight SC sitting behind the Starbucks lot and all were in used. While sitting back there in the shade having a bite, five Teslas showed up needing a charge. As more people own and use their Tesla on road trips, we will be seeing more issues with this, not just other EV sharing a SC.
This is probably my favorite auto focus video. Loved seeing and hearing the perspectives of the other folks charging nearby
I'm from Europe and this clip is very useful specially since we are looking to get a non-Tesla EV in our family fleet and see early all issues when charging..
Love that Marques is an overall nice guy! It was great seeing him talk about Tesla chargers now being open to non-Tesla EVs while also talking to and helping other people he randomly met there.
I loved how they were all just taking videos and charging there.
A lot of bots here
What an awesome human u are , loved the help you gave to that person to promote his channel
rivian is translated as eternal donkey.
amazing video!!! Very informative and amazingly made!!
Super interesting to see the differences in the mic quality depending on if the camera is facing Marques or facing away from him!
Also love that Marques gave State of Charge a shoutout.
It's cause it's shot on a phone so the mic is not fixed the way it usually would be
pretty sure he's covering them with his palm in some parts
Closer to face when pointed away, held at arms length when pointed at self.
It’s an iPhone 14 pro
One of the best videos from MKBHD ever, and I’ve been following for at least 12 years now. Cool dynamics and interactions. Top notch.
really good video thank you for showing this off, this seems like a short term road bump but hopefully will help increase confidence in EVs in general and grow the network of EV charger stations exponentially ... also could be an easy fix if an option in the future becomes available (or maybe available now I don't know) for non tesla EV owners to have some sort of extension cable they can get to help solve this situation for them.
Awesome video thank you🙏🏽
The fact that Marques talks about an specific random and less than 1% of probably happening in a video, ending happening was amazing. This video is unique in so many ways. love this guy
So fun to see Tom there charging with MKBHD. He's the GOAT of home EVSEs and State of Charge is a great channel. It was also funny to see how bad he felt about mispronouncing Marques' name.
oh geez he does reports for insideEVs too, I thought he looked familiar. Really makes you wonder if they sort of planned to meet together. seems like a massive coincidence two big names in EVs are just randomly together at 1 single supercharger
@@jmen1333 i mean there aren’t much super chargers open and they’re both in new york so makes sense
@@jmen1333 Tell me you're a conspiracy theorist without telling me you're a conspiracy theorist. Jared went first.
What gain would they have from pretending to meet randomly? Over just saying "I invited a few fellow youtubers over to see what their experience is like".
You should try more time thinking before coming to conclusions
It’s not Teslas fault the Ford does not know we’re to put a charging port. If you cant get the cable to reach go to your Ford dealer and use there charger😮
@@bobkephart2086 what's your problem. I don't think we were talking about that. Anyway, there isn't a right or wrong location for a charging port. The biggest problem is Tesla building their charging locations without any thought of the future. If they planned for this it wouldn't be a problem.
We rented a Poleatar 2 and took a detour to try the magic doc at Scotts Valley CA. Charge port is also on the left rear panel so I didnt have to take up two stalls. Worked well in my case.
Great video! I like having this figured out before needing to use one. Just took delivery of my R1S. Saw a MachE at a Rivian charger in Toledo when I tried out a Rivian Supercharger the other day.
In Norway they opened up a few chargers first, but within a year most all Superchargers are open to all brands. Including some of the very busiest spots. Recently they've been offering some of the cheapest pricing as well.
Makes a lot of sense in norway though since so many people have electric or hybrid cars
@@MemTMCR and people are generally more polite and accommodating
As Out of spec channels of Kyle Connor who often travel to Norway has shown that country has a very high density of chargers as at home as public level II as direct current chargers along roads (low speed, medium speed, high speed in kW) on the streets in the cities, in the parking spots in lots of organizations, at ALL parking spots in airports, at the gas stations and so on. Norway easily can get by without even having any Tesla superchargers since all Tesla’s are CCS there. That is why it made sense to open all Tesla superchargers to public since those DC chargers are not perceived as bespoken for Tesla like in the USA but rather another part of public infrastructure although private but meant to provide excessive redundancy in charging so nobody can even think if having an EV on the road how, when will be able to recharge to continue the journey. It has become driving an EV there like driving a gasoline car in the USA - hop in and go where you need to go. The same CZcamsr shows places where gasoline/petrol stations in Norway have left only one pump working with the rest of spots refurbished with DC chargers for EVs. That is why charging an EV in Norway is like charging a cell phone in the USA - just plug, charge, use it. And by the way towing with EVs is not an issue since most are pull through charging stations especially Tesla ones. The only problem in Norway is for travelers with EVs from outside the country to create an inside Norway account with a local phone to unlock the public chargers. However unlocking Tesla is as easy as it is in the USA.
norway knows how to do things
@@nevco8774 The whole app-thing is a proper pain in the a** for a Norwegian as well, taking up a whole home screen page on my phone w/various EV charging apps..
Hopefully new legislation mandating card payment options should be coming soon.
The priceless camera time from other content creators just really shows what type of person you are Marques, I applaud you and tip my hat off to you, ps I believe this was my second comment since I started watching CZcams in 2007. It def moved me. 🙏🏼
I got a tip for the SEC for the fake account.
Thank you for showing the app. and explain it as we would use with non-tesla cars. Great video
The 1 charger that is offset on the the end is for a tesla with a trailer so they can back in and the charger is appropriately spaced to accommodate the trailer
MKBHD is a solid dude with a great channel. Couldn't imagine CZcams without bro! Keep up the great work!
Agreed. At the same time I would have appreciated a shout out to Tesla for making it possible and not spreading FUD about possible future problems for Tesla owners. Its quite obvious that Tesla more than likely has it figured out because how they are rolling it out and how Tesla vehicles know how many of its chargers are occupied for how long.
He's just another FUD-spreading """"""""""journalist"""""""""".
He is a fool. Is the cable too short for him? Didn't imagine that their car is wrong? Where are the Ford or Lucid charging networks with the long cables?
I love the on the fly interview/interaction with other EV drivers… I would love to see a wider ranging video in a similar style asking people at chargers about their experiences owning EV’s
I really appreciate this video! This will make my work trips with my Ioniq 5 a lot easier!
Marques, you are an awesome person. I appreciate that you helped the SOC channel. It shows what a good guy you are. Keep it up.
Like Mr. Beast said. it costs no effort or money to promote a smaller youtuber. it's a win-win situation.
@@damarh Agreed. It costs nothing except being a good person with morals!
@@damarh rivian is translated as eternal donkey.
@@user-gn1zs2bz7z from whatvlanguage
We've had this in Norway for a little while on all superchargers installed after the Model 3 started shipping. As with EU regulations (I think) the model 3 used a standard charging port and not the Tesla exclusive. So all superchargers installed after that, are fitted with 2 cables instead of an adapter. So it was done purely via software to enable all vehicles to charge at their chargers. Not sure if all are unlocked yet, but many are :)
Damn - wish I could've seen a wide shot of that Rivian and F150 next to each other. But other than that gr8 video!!! Seems like an adaptor for extra length is an easy fix.
Very informative video. I’m not an EV owner at the moment, and I suspect I will wait on making that move until most of these things are worked out. I’ve never been an early adopter of new technology.
Just a thing to keep in mind for folks new to EVs. This cable adapter only works with vehicles that support DCFC. The connector is for CCS (Combined Charging Systems); the circle with 3 holes and oval on bottom with 2. Older vehicles like the Chevrolet Volt, for example, only support AC charging or just the top circle (J1172). The Tesla converter won't fit with these.
Most newer EVs will support DC fast charging, so you can take advantage of the Tesla chargers if you'd like.
Mad respect to MKBHD for his devotion to the cause
This is great! Welcome man👊
This thing can be solved either by making the cable longer, or by standardizing where the plug is on the vehicle across the industry.
I think we can look to gas stations however and draw wisdom from that. Just make it so that a car can pull up on either side depending on where the manufacturer has installed the fuel port.
Zero friction.
I loved him talking to other people who randomly happened to be there. Great he wasn't the only one to have that idea. MKBHD is a great guy for also shouting out the guy's channel. Win win I suppose :)
I only charge my Audi E-tron at Tesla stations in Norway after they opened up. The cable is long enough if you park your car sideways across a couple or three stalls. Typically no problem in Norway where capacity is more than great enough so that no one is bothered. Some stations do have longer cables or the charging station is placed midway in the stall.
Excellent info. Tesla supercharger near my office and I just bought a non-Tesla EV. Thank you for posting this video.
Marquis I think we should do more field trips like this. I love watching you interact with other people. This was a great video..
whos we
@@bnkh your mom is invited.
I was so happy when more ppl came and yall started talking about this! It was really cool and kind of wholesome 😂. I think they should invest in longer cables and car manufacturers should make their charging port doors move upward bc for the Ford F-150 the charging port door is what was not allowing the cable to reach.
Longer cables will increase the electrical resistance potentially reducing charging efficiency
Huh, didn't see the Lucid driver engaging. What does that say about those people? LOL
Why should tesla pay to extend cables just to help non-teslas? The non-teslas should sell an extension cable instead.
@@suicine2859 to make money. It's not like they're giving away the electricity.
@@CitEnthusiasti mean it's a lucid lol
As always, amazing video! Non-Tesla at Tesla Supercharger charging is an absolute EV value multiplier.
Great Video... Real time, and REAL WORD Info... * Perhaps Ford should consider going with a top open flap over the charger connection instead of a front side swing door approach?
* Shared you on my Socials!
Nice job, Markeese! :)
😂
Don't make me feel worse!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Don't! It happens! MKBHD is super light-hearted and I can almost promise he (as well as the audience) will chuckle about it, and that's that. We all make goofs! :)
After a few months, the strain on those cables is going to cause some serious issues. They definitely need some extending cables that you can pull out of the charger that click at certain increments.
I liked this video. It was interesting to see how it all works.
It's great to see everyone being nice and polite about it all. Unfortunately there will be some drivers who aren't so nice. I have to admit that the Charging infrastructure is one of the biggest hurdles to me going to an EV. The others being price and range. We will see what the future holds.
I know. even tesla driver fight for charging spot in LA.
Certainly not by 2030. Where you are going to get the electricity from. It's all a total lie.
it's going to get ugly without the cameras
That’s the main reason why I’m not going electric yet. F that hassle.
You are a bee, bees don't even have cars. Just fly around.
Longer cables or those choosing NACS can locate charge ports on rear driver side like teslas before mass production.
Very interesting.
yessir
Ey what's up
1:28 Tesla App getting a little bit too aware
Here's a fix.
Move the door for the charge port to open towards the drivers side door vs away.
That thing shaved like 3-4 inches off the length of the cable alone.
If the door open the opposite way it would have more clearance.
It seems like an oversight for sure. Swinging up or down is probably an even better option.
Hi, good review. There are a number of chargers in the Netherlands which are open to Non-Tesla owners. I've no idea whether they have the same issues as you describe, however, we don't see as many large EVs as you guys have on the roads. I think that the Netherlands trial is a pre-cursor to rolling it out across Europe. Regards, Eddy (UK).
I was charging my VW ID.4 at a relatively busy Tesla charging station in Denmark, and there was some annoyance on how I was parked to charge… the ID.4 has it at the back right which would indeed make one spot obsolete. One Tesla owner talked to me saying I should turn the car around (not working with those short cables) and why I was using ‘their’ chargers. 😮 in The Netherlands there are loads of chargers so no big issue here.
love the casual format of the auto focus channel, and the interactions with the other EV enthusiasts. Interesting stuff!
Great video here, man. You couldn't have asked for a better scenario with the variety of EVs. Hoping for a future where chargers and ports are standardized.
I think CCS is the unofficial standard now and only Tesla does not adhere to it.
In Europe all cars include Tesla use CCS.
@@DrewPera Tesla does adhere to CCS, where did you get that info from? Ok maybe U.S but it's fine in most countries
@@DrewPera Not just unofficial, it's literally the official standard. Tesla got grandfathered in since they preceded the CCS rollout in the US. But at this point, they really need to start converting over to the standard. These adapters prove they can do it easily enough.
@@DrewPera rivian is translated as eternal donkey.