Tesla Solar Roof Review: Was it Worth It?
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0:00 I have not paid for electricity in a year
1:15 How does solar work
4:56 Why I picked the Tesla solar tiles
7:28 Numbers/specs time!
11:06 Summer
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18:39 The money question
22:35 Quirks and Features
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So it appears Tesla found a bug in their app after watching this video that accidentally counted all production and usage totals as DOUBLE their actual numbers.
Doesn't affect my payback timeline calculations, but it does make more sense that I was seeing ~4000kWh of production in a month, not 8000 🤓
Why didn’t you factor any SREC’s into your calculations? Huge variable when talking about ROI, especially with the production as high as you are showing.
Straight from Twitter link after you posted the bug update
Yes, you cannot produce 350 kWh of energy in a day with a ~40kW panel array. At your latitude, four times kWp in the best case scenario makes more sense.
I may have missed it but don't you sell electricity back to the grid? 🤔
I really liked the Tesla software. They are great with UIs. It is weird that such an obvious bug existed for so long without anyone noticing.
I’m a solar representative in Texas, I’ve been in solar Sales for 8 years now and this has to be one of the best explanation and representations of how solar and Net Metering works.
Seriously, Marques has explained this flawlessly.
Would love to know your plans for these panels as they die? Landfill much😂
why do they cut the credits at the end of the year though. From the consumers perspective, thats obliviously not so practical
@fetB that's the utility company doing that. Ask them homie
@@edwardmolloy7548there are ways to recycle them and plus most of them will last 40+ years, along with warranties if company offers them. The batteries are the main concern but even those are being recycled now
@@fetB Because utilities and retail electricity suppliers don't love the idea of people self-generating their own power. Every time a net metering policy is designed and implemented at the state level (Note: Every state's NEM program is slightly different, if it exists), it's a highly political process. Utilities fight tooth and nail to make these programs as favorable to their business models as possible.
I would buy this (if I wasn't broke😭). Tbh for me this channel is just 99% window shopping 🤣🤣. Love you Marques
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Lol I relate so much
I have solar on my roof and I have a Tesla Model 3. This is the best professional review that I have seen on CZcams in the past 5 and 1/2 years educating the public on this subject. Thank you very much.😊
Im actually really glad this kind of thing exists, man.
Tesla could consider solar roof installations for apartments, schools, and hospitals for cities to reduce energy consumption costs.
Yeah it's a great investment if you're rich. Man.
@@SSGoatanks if only Elon wasn't wasting his time and money on ruining Twitter and making the worthless cybertruck
I've been working in the solar industry for over 14 years and this is hands-down one of the best videos out there explaining solar, batteries, and home energy use. Such a great resource for the public - thank you!
I disagree strongly. This user claims to use up to 200KWh/day as an average usage. This is x5-x10 more than my lifetime experience of daily usage (not inc elec car). It's also common to have 2-5KW roof top systems, not 30KW. There was nothing about the numbers in this video that matched a normal setup. It was literally a top 1% of the top 1% of rich people's reference. With all that said... a 7-10yr return on investment is a solid conclusion and matches the curve of return on smaller setups.
@@Masheeablewhat are you disagreeing with exactly because other than complaining about their usage amount you agreed with what they've said.
@@Masheeable He said in the video that his case is not a normal setup. He probably has a quite a big house and he is tech creator. He definitely has way more appliances, computers, EVs, and other products than the average person that all take up more energy. If you're not using as much as him, which you probably aren't, you would have an even better experience.
better than that cringe MRWHOSTHEBOSS yt channel
@@Masheeable so you disagree just for the sake of disagreeing. But you really disagree with nothing. Got it. Keep being difficult for no reason lol
This is such a great example of how you can create a straight forward, no BS video without all the flashiness and still be engaging. Refreshing
Facts all info answered a lot of questions I had
Probably took him 15 hours to actually edit and prepare the video for upload. Very good informaton.
Are solar panels and batteries are "coming from a renewable source" too and were produced in environmentally friendly manner? Though, to be honest, it was a rhetorical question as we all know the answer. And the answer is -- drumroll please! -- "hell no".
This video is complete BS. I tried this solar roof and it barely worked. Imo don't buy it.
@@ERMOONSaladino5 is it from tesla? and why it doesn't work?
Thank you for an encompassing complete review of solar power for home usage both pro and con. I had a solar installer give me a proposal that wasn’t as comprehensive as your review. Great Job and many thanks…
This is best video ive watched on this topic. More so because your location, and the fact you kept the "one stop shop" idea for the system. Thank you so much for this video. Looking forward to looking at more. cheers from southern Ontario.
That was super detailed and useful! With the lack of sunshine and smaller houses/roofs in the UK, I can only generate a max of around 24kWh a day in summer 🥲
Would you say it’s worth it for someone in the UK (I live in Manchester 😂)
@@OurWorldUncovered we have around 8kW of solar panels and paying around £10-12 electricity per week right now. That's with an AC unit blasting for most of the day on hot days aswell as fans and all the usual electrical appliances. No batteries. ( Edit: family of 4 ).
You can power 4-5 houses with that.
@OurWorldUncovered Absolutely. I have 23 panels and a Powerwall and thankfully a South Facing Roof (South East Coast). On a good Spring / Summer day, I have had upwards of 65KW per day and over the last year, around 12Mwh total. I have not paid any electric bill since it was installed (thankfully was on the Tesla Energy Plan which is currently 24p export and 24p import, however they have now cancelled this Plan which I loose from Feb 2024 😕). So basically the grid is like an unlimited battery for me, until the Plan finishes. We also charge 2 electric cars, which by a clear mile are the biggest draw on power. At current energy prices, it will have paid for itself in around 4 years, so about 2 years left for me. The caveat is though, you need the right location, as roof positioning and clear sight (no obstructions to light such as buildings and trees) will make a massive difference. Our South Facing roof gets sun all day long, but the other roof only really gets sun during Summer and that is not all day.
Okay so this was awesome but no you are not learning weather pattern with one year of data and qualifiers but great video
I live in Thailand, here, about 90% of the year we have cloudless skies and the sun shines really strong during the day. The amount of daylight doesn't change much throughout the year; we get light from 6 am until around 6:30-7 pm. I believe that in countries like this, having roof solar panels like this would be a game-changer for everyone.
Out of curiosity how much does a 200w panel cost in Thailand..?
Unfortunately, they do not have net metering in Thailand afaik
(even just a couple of panels charging a car battery - or 12V LFP battery makes a big difference in rural areas - energy availability may go from nothing to "amazing" in one day.- in the west, we are fortunate to be able to have setups for camping, in excess of what many in developing countries have to live with..)
same here in india. we really need to invest more in these technologies for asia and africa
@@sylvy16 india is the biggest investor in solar after china
I have watched a couple of your review videos of various gadgets. Kudos to you! I love the way you explain somewhat complex ideas in a very understandable format. Keep it up bro!
As usual you have great videos. Super informative, clearly presented, no fluff, no puff of personality, articulate, concise so well produced. You are setting the standard, don't change a thing.
The coolest thing in my opinion, that you mentioned is the seamless transition to going off grid when there’s a power outage. That’s crazy that you don’t know that a power outage happened because you’re already running off of solar and battery power and not off the grid so nothing changed.
If I was in the situation, imagine myself watching TV at 10 o’clock at night and looking out the window and my neighborhood being completely black and then I’m going. “ huh We must have a power outage right now.”
this is the biggest thing people ignore. You're much more independent, especially when talking about gasoline. Common criticsm with electric cars is that the grid cannot handle it, and here he is actually feeding the grid at times
This is a dream for me. In the area I live in Southwest Oregon we have power outages multiple times a year. In the winter they can last anywhere from days to weeks in the worst cases.
He'll know when it's the zombie apocalypse and everyone realises his house has electricty at night.
Typically, governments from federal down to local, don't want you self sufficient and off of their grid. They see it as too risky and that they have to protect you... from yourself.
For years, people that have tried to be fully self sufficient have had to fight their local governments legally to even get close to full self sufficiency. Same goes for having a decent sized garden (it's not like during WWII when they wanted everyone to have a victory garden).
This resistance might be changing a bit but never expect government to a) move fast and b) for government to give up (political) power that citizens gave up out of comfort and security. I'm sure with all the ESG regulations being imposed this decade you'll be nearly fully self sufficient but they wont let you cut the umbilical cord they have you on. There will certainly be some carbon tax that you'll have to pay for using too much of the power that even you have generated.
Here in Phoenix, if the grid goes down so do all solar users. I was told this was a safety issue. Interesting that this isn’t the case in NJ.
That sponsorship segue was beautiful
Almost as good as linus
Thing magics?
Didn't even notice until it was almost over. 😂
Only now did I learn it is not spelled segway
@@terarrian6232 Not quite as good as Robert Evans from Behind the Bastards.
Super detailed and amazingly honest on all numbers, which is super useful. That's why I'm still watching youtube. for that type of content.
Wow! You explained it so greatly and simply, Thanks!
as an Electrical Engineer, the explanation and the presentation of the video are accurate and easy to understand. Thumbs up Marques!
very well made as always! the only thing that make me wonder is the yearly power usage. 53380kWh is gigantic for my central european brain. i'd run the house with this energy plus going 250000km by car with this. maybe there is some data error to this? seems just too big for me ...
@@CharlyLownoizesome quick math shows he would have gone about 200000 km in his Model S Plaid assuming the other commenter is correct in saying it's 5x average, to make up that difference. That would be a crazy amount. He does travel a lot to play professional Ultimate Frisbee, so his car usage is likely much more than average. Also quick googling says the average American does 20000km per year. No way he does 10x that.
He does have a large house (as he says in the video), and it makes sense given I'm sure he's quite wealthy. And no doubt his house is full of tech. He runs more powerful computers than most.
Even after those factors, and assuming 5x the average is correct, that's still a lot.
@@nickel36 yeah thats something i'd as a result too. guessing an avg speed of 80km/h that would lead to a 104days of non stop driving. hmmm ... there must be something else. base load seem to be around 3500kWh. dont know what the AC does during the summer but i'd recon not over 10000kWh ... more data for more digging would be nice ^^
@@CharlyLownoize I believe you're confusing kWh for kW.
@@nickel36 why?
Really interesting, thanks for sharing this data! One thought is.. The solar panels are under warranty for 25 years, but probably not the power walls? As we all know batteries don't often last too many years, so the power walls would likely need to be replaced after 10 years? Adding a longer payback period, as I'm sure Tesla battery banks of that size are a large cost.
Yes, the payback period would be a lot shorter without the batteries. They're expensive and die before they can pay themselves off. They're really only a good idea if you don't have net metering.
10 years is a number that also depends on how much you charge and discharge it
depending on depth of discharge it might actually last longer.
Tesla batteries probably don't last as long, I've heard at least 3 people complain about the tesla power walls, a solar installer even recommended not to use the tesla wall batteries.
I'm seeing a lot of estimates from 10 to 25 years. Seeing they are batteries it is going to come down to cycles, and having excess storage will increase the longevity of the banks.
@@YolandaPlayneThey degrade but dont die. Also, their bms keeps longevity due to keeping them at proper temps
I really like how your Tesla roof solar tiles look. Very classy look, you can't really tell you have solar on your roof, just looks like a tile roof.
What a great video! Thank you so much for all the details you've provided. I'm currently shopping for solar (also living in NJ) and this was tremendously helpful.
Can we just talk about how clean those illustrations and animations were?!
Congrats to the whole team! Awesome video
right
So clean!
no we cannot talk about the same thing for years now
Awesome
Can we not?👍
I specialized in solar at a call center for a utility company and this video was accurate. I’m surprised how well versed you are in this subject. Let’s you know he doesn’t just shoot from the hip for content , he does his homework
After all these years, are you just now learning that? I really hope you didn’t think that up until now.
@@TristenHernandez he covers many subjects , I know which ones I expect him to be knowledgeable in but when he touches on something I specialized in and explains it so clearly It puts a smile on my face. Most customers who call in about their solar do not actually have a good handle on how net metering works.
Okay so I need some clarifications on a few things:
1) MKBHD uses around 4000 KWh of electricity every month. Is that normal for an average American? Cause my household's MAX energy use in the peak of summers (May June) is about 700-800 units a month, with about 2-3 ACs running pretty much the entire day/night
-2) How expensive is electricity in America? 54000 units of electricity would've cost MKBHD ~9000 USD.. That comes out to about 5.2 USD per unit? Isn't that like a lot? The tariff he showed earlier were displaying the cost in 30 cents per unit or something-
Whoops. I made a Maths booboo. My bad.
@@vpsjdon that is not average usage, even for an ev owner. I’m assuming it’s due to the amount of specialty equipment he has running around the clock due to his profession. Last summer we were seeing that type of consumption due to the historic heat wave. We do have certain areas that are more affluent that can average that type of usage but they also have ADU’s , wells , stables , irrigation systems etc. 700-800 is more common usage, also depends on how much they charge at home vs at a charging station. To be on solar you have to be on time of use, so the rate varies depending on the time of day, I’m on the west coast so I can’t speak for where he lives. But highest cost is between on peak (4-9) and lowest overnight (super off peak) which is when you want to be charging your vehicle. If you’re on an EV rate it’s about 16 cents a kilowatt but you pay a monthly service fee of 16 dollars) We only charge him for the net difference so if his system is covering this usage these numbers don’t come into play, especially because he’s using a battery. If he didn’t have a battery then we give him back the value of the timeframe in which he generated , so let’s say off peak is 47 cents he gets that back towards his electric bill
@@ChillOutDoodAs an employee for a major utility provider, you explained TOU well. Bravo!
Very fun video to watch! I am an electrician in Sweden who works with just this, setting up and installing solar panels. And all your facts and ramblings are equivalent in my country.
Great explanation. Loved the graphics.
Probably the best MKBHD video so far. My PhD was about optimization of smart grids, including smart houses with solar panels and EVs. I'm saying this because I understand how much research and effort in general was put in building up for this video. The most difficult part in this process is how to make it simple enough so that the general audience would understand most of what you're talking about. I think you did a very good job in making it as simple as it can be, although I understand that it still could be very complicated for some people with all those numbers and graphs. Overall, well done Marques! An incredible video that even professionals and researchers can find it useful.
Best cosign imaginable 🙏🏾
Yes. Most people will not take time going through the numbers, even if it is incredible tech. I think you will also find it very interesting to check out bio electricity. There's a company called Bioo that makes electricity 24/7 using living plants. There's no toxic waste. Just plants doing their thing and simple devices using their waste products underground to create electricity.
Why would it be complicated though. Seems simple enough to understand.
Solar produces power to use and to charge ... Net metering takes excess and charges you less when you pull from the grid ... Batteries store excess and you use when the sun is down.
The only thing missing, maybe, is potential for reverse charge from a car ... So charging a car and pulling power from a car at calculated times.
@@wayando Most people once you mention the word "Math" pass out and their brains turn to gummy bears.
@@NisYT... Very true. What I have noticed about Solar systems is that if someone doesn't like math they could just copy a friend's system who has approximately the same usage patterns ... Then automate everything using software and timers.
Personally, I have a completely off-grid system ... And these require the most math for planning before and during usage ... I can do math but I avoid complicated daily calculations if I don't have to do it.
I copied my system from someone, but because I didn't want to risk having certain problems, I put in place certain "safe guards":
1. I put slightly more solar than I need, and divided them into 3 separate groups bringing down power separately ... This helps with figuring out sources of issues, and also factoring the side facing the sun.
2. Batteries are expensive, but at the same time it's better to have more battery because of depth of discharge ... So I got batteries is 3 rounds, and have them separated into 2 battery banks that operate separately.
I was just eyeballing the performance by checking the discharge level at 6am before sun rise. Then I upgrade as necessary. The whole battery was in place in about 6months.
Heavy usage items are controlled by timers and strictly limit their usage to day time. Et c.
Diesel generator on standby. Just Incase. But it has been idle for 3yrs now.
I think it would be really cool for you to do an even “longer” review, where you revisit this back in 2-3 years. Maybe things have changed drastically in that time and it changes everything
I wouldn't expect the panels to change too much, but the batteries should - I'm in the industry - we're really looking forward to better batteries.
I was thinking more about the cost of repairs. If a storm damages your home and your roof, it’s gotta be way more expensive
@@DirtMerchant693 I didn’t even think about that, but really good point!
@@DirtMerchant693 Weather coverage varies by company. It's usually gonna go on homeowner's insurance - To be honest, the only real problem is hail - it's a rare problem, and homeowner's insurance will cover it, but warranties won't.
the panels are pretty strong - are tempered glass but, yes, eventually anything will break. And, surely, this will be more expensive.
electrek has an article on a home that had baseball sized hail stone hit a solar roof - no damage
What a fantastic project. I have never seen such a rigorous assessment of Solar before...wonderful job
Marques, thankx, your presentation I thought was incredible 😊
Pro tip: Since you already have a gas furnace, you can replace your existing air conditioner with a heat pump creating a hybrid system. This will let you use your heat pump for heat in the spring, fall, and most of the winter and only use the gas furnace on the coldest winter days. This can dramatically reduce your total heating costs, especially since many modern run-of-the-mill heat pumps can operate efficiently with outdoor temperatures down to ~30 degF (or lower) so you would rarely need to use your gas furnace for back-up heat. The more sophisticated systems, like geothermal heat pumps and high-pressure heat pumps with variable compressors, may never need the gas furnace at all.
Our A/C unit died in June of 2022. Since we had to buy a new unit anyway, I talked my wife into spending ~$2k more for a heat pump instead of a conventional A/C unit. Ordinarily the payback period for this type of upgrade would be ~5 years, but I've calculated our system should pay for itself in just over 2 years because of the crazy increases in natural gas prices recently.
I second this, I live in Norway and winters can be pretty cold. Since getting a heatpump it has reduced my electricity bill by a surprising amount, instead of just using normal heaters all throughout the house. Also supplementing a bit on extremely cold days with burning wood in the fireplace.
You said your AC died then you bought a heat pump. Does a heat pump provide cold air too?
@@barnyardian22 yes, afaik it basically just runs in reverse and provides cool air as well
@@barnyardian22 Yup. A heat pump is just an air conditioner that can also "run in reverse". Instead of being limited to just pumping heat out of a building, they can reverse the flow of their refrigerant to pump heat INTO a building.
The really cool thing is since they are collecting heat from the outside air instead of converting electrical power into heat (like resistance space heaters), they can deliver ~3 Watts of heat for every Watt of power consumed. So, a heat pump consuming 2kW of electricity will be collecting and moving ~6kW of heat energy from the outdoors into a home/structure. This it's one of the main reasons electric cars are starting to switch to heat pumps for their heating and air conditioning. They are much more efficient at heating in the winter time than conventional strip-heaters.
This is great information! Thank you
You should consider heatpumps to replace your heating and air conditioning. They are super efficient. (There are also hearpump powered dryers now)
Moving to the US from asia really let me peek at how houses here are super inefficient when it comes to climate control systems
As a Swede living in cold harsh conditions with a house made for cold climate. I have a heatpump from Nibe that are producing heated water, heat for the floorheating and it also power the ventilation and recycles the heat. I use around 30kwh per day in the winter. And 10 kwh per day in the summer. I can clearly say that heatpumps is great.
With a variable frequency drive heat pump there wouldn’t be spikes when the AC turns on and off.
Also GE just released an all in one washer/dryer machine that uses a heat pump and runs off 110 power. It’s gotten stellar reviews so far.
@@speakp4ngolin for a long time gas and electricity were super cheap here so it didn't matter as much but the last couple of years efficiency has been becoming popular thankfully. Heat pumps are great they pay for themselves after a few years
Air Conditioners are heat pumps. You mean use it reverse cycle for heating?
Amazingly successful green project, keep them coming M!
Your info graphics on this are brilliant
My family got a Tesla roof last year (install finished December 2022) along with the Power Walls, set up in Connecticut, and I can say for sure the chunks of snow sliding off the roof is wild the first time you notice it. We got it because we needed a new roof anyway just due to age and normal wear and tear, so the solar roof just made sense for us. One thing Marques didn't mention is that some power companies will pay *you* to take your roof's generating capacity during peak usage, so you can end up with the power company paying you some months. The power company will take our roof's power during peak hours (most notably during the summer when everyone gets home and kicks on AC) and we'll run off our battery walls in the meantime, and get a credit for it, along with all the net negative we sell back to them besides.
So they are paying a "premium" for using your electricity as you are generating it above and beyond just net negative credits?
thats sick
In Australia, they did a big push for solar, stating how well the feed in tariff is. Something around $.60 AUD per kWh.
Now that's between 0 and $0.10 per kWh, with those who got the premium rate only keeping that till 2024-2028.
Unfortunately it is not fesible for many to run solar, without a battery now, as the feed in tariff barely covers the daily supply fee and other rates. You blow through your "credit" at night and then some.
We also have cases where during install they fail to reconfigure your meter for a long long time. So if you spin your meter backwards, the power company ignores your reading and charges you an "estimate", and when you approach them about it they will also fine you
Gone are the days of people claiming $0 energy bills or credit, instead it's "solar saved me this much"
Oh and if you are unfortunate enough to live somewhere where the "grid cannot support your input" then they also limit how much you are allowed to feed in.
Some states stopped paying at all like California
He did mention this thou.
It’s crazy how much higher the kWh consumption is in comparison to a European house of similar sizes. But it good to see that this PV and battery installation is working scaling so good. 55 MWh / year. CRAZY
Yes i also wonder where does all that electricity go to? Here normal house uses 200kWh a month, but not taken in account that it's heated by gas. So you have to compare with heatpump. But next year im going to get a new house which is fully electric so im gonna see what my usage will be.
I came here looking for this comment.
A 55MW/y consumption is insane, even with an electric car. Those houses must be leaking heat like crazy. Like.. are they even insulated?
I own a house made in the 60's near the arctic circle and we use something like 15-20MW/y. And its an entirely electricly heated house at that. It's a single, wooden, 2 story house. And I think the insulatio needs re-doing because it's slightly cold in the winter, so I'm spending a lot to make up for lost heat.
Due to the stick built nature American homes do leak, but the big killer is the HVAC systems. Heat pumps are rare and most heat is deployed using old school electric heaters and unlike many EUnhomes we use Air Conditioning systems. Many homes here are open concept design too, so we really are managing heat/cooling for a small warehouse and not a home.
Plus we have a preference for tank water heaters that are usually electric, same with electric stoves/ovens.
Just looked at my utilities web page: 2022 = 603 kwh. I'm doing a renovation and that's going to reduce will consumption. Heating comes from district heating (CHP)
@@HermanWillems it all depends, as an example I can mention my case, not so big house in central Poland, heated / cooled using AC, all appliances are electric and water is also heated via tankless water heaters. Our usage from 28.03 to 26.05 was 1373kWh so 686kWh per month.
This high usage is mostly caused by tankless water heaters which is using 3x230V phases so it can consume up to 13kW every second, so long showers can get expensive :D.
In winter usage of electricity is a lot higher as heating with AC (and not separate heat pump) can get more expensive when its cold outside, especially when it gets colder than -10 celsius.
Great review Marques, especially the discussion at 26:00 on Snow build up. Snow / ice dams can be a big issue with regards to roof damage/roof collapse. For roofs without solar panels, there are wires you can install on the roof to melt the snow/ice (similar to on plumbing pipes). I wonder if there is something available specifically for solar panels (a heated frame perhaps that goes around the panels to heat up during days when there is heavy snow/ice so it can melt the snow faster).
Great Review and explanation!!!! Thanks for demystifying the tesla power wall and solar roof idea..
If you're considering going electric for your heating, you should check out heat pumps! There are tax credits for those as well and if you have a forced air system, they make units that basically drop right into that.
They also make heat pump water heaters which are really efficient. Love the video!
As someone who has a damp basement, I’m looking forward to upgrading to a heat pump water heater because it also dehumidifies for practically free (if it’s stored in the basement)
i heard heat pump heating is not the best, unless it's infloor heating. hot air tends to rise and our body part most sensitive to cold is the feet. I used a mini split unit as a heat pump and it wasnt really effective even though in warmer climates it can be a viable and much more efficient option if you have heating on all the time. For me heating was only necessary when the outside temps go below 5°C, and at that point heat pumps cant really pump much heat.
@@gabrielenitti3243good heat pumps work well in even - 10°c
Only caveat is in the northeast the current cost of electricity makes them a tough sell for the winter months when they would be displacing gas heating but you aren't generating electricity since it's not sunny out and the COP is much lower at those temps so gas heating makes sense. In NJ it would make sense to have a staged heat pump/gas back up system which I think you can control w a Google nest
@@gabrielenitti3243do you have ceiling fans? If you do, use them in reverse with your heat pumps/other heating methods
My dad recently got solar panels and everytime I visit he all excited shows me the graphs. Thanks to this video I now understand it more🙏🏻
u used to be famous
Yeah you use to be famous, What happened why did you stop CZcams? You were making a shit ton of money.
@@AllenHanPRprobably didn't care about the game or money. Already made enough to live well. Not everyone can stand doing CZcams for ages like some CZcamsrs still going after 10years
lol soft@@Steve.._.
He is lying. Tesla had a bug in the app which reported all energy production as 2x.
He is loosing money on the system AND he financed the 120,000 on a 15 year term at 7% (per tesla) which means he pays 70,000 USD in interest alone.
I appreciate the info, I'm looking at getting the same setup.
THIS is a VERY GOOD and informative video, Marques. I actually plan to do the same thing, here in Texas.
No lie: this is probably one of Marques’ best videos. I was super engaged in all the detailed info.
it's suprisingly gripping
Did you also hear him say "I should just use more electricity, so it pays for itself faster" 🤔😂😭
@@henriknielsen9674
Yeah did you not understand that? I can explain if you want
As an Electrical Engineer myself, this video is so educational and explains the concepts in a very understandable way. This type of content should be used to teach seniors in highschool or young college students👌 Good job🙋♀️
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Yeah, especially the part where he found out how much his appliances were pulling - something that is literally printed on the back of every device. I don't get, I mean, when you buy an AC, don't you check how much it uses/needs first? I guess not if money is less of an object. But, how can you not know that AC, microwave, heaters, ... draw a lot of electricity? I find that amazing.
The A-Roll setup at the beginning is the best looking setup you've ever had Marques, which is saying something because all your shots look good.
As an employee of the said Solar company, I appreciate this video and how the daily process was explained.
he needs his $5 back
Especially for paying 90,000 $😭😭
@@Rizing4Combatthat's a professional way of saying AJ works at Tesla, or SolarCity lol, not his local energy company
@@papaown oh mb
... You are a scammer 😂 ... You make bank tell the truth ...
One thing I noticed about this video is how being dependent on the sun for energy has made you more aware. You’re aware of weather patterns in your geographical location and aware of how much energy your appliances pull. It’s pretty cool.
But somehow less aware of how irresponsible he increasingly becomes with energy after installing the system.
how is havving the weather on your mind 24/7 cool wtf lol
@@kevinbecker5440 I don't know about the US, but where I come from, you get paid if you produce more energy than you use. That's an incentive NOT to waste energy.
@@DanBrown96 That will be gone in about 10 minutes when the power companies realize they are losing money. It's like the government incentivizing fuel efficiency, then realizing that they are losing money on gas tax, and so they double the property tax rate of fuel-efficient cars. Funny how it all comes out in the wash.
@@DanBrown96 it used to be like that in some areas of the US, i remember hearing a story of a guy who put up a windmill a couple decades ago and got credited for it. Idk though, besides the point. What I was referring to was the astonishing amount of energy this guy uses and his desire to use even more. To put into perspective, everything in my house is electric and my bill is $100us/month on level pay and 100~200 on gas. This guy claimed that after installing solar tiles, he's using upwards of $800~900 worth of electricity. So it's effectively encouraged him to be > 4x more irresponsible than I am, and I feel I'm living very comfortably with more than I need.
I used my airconditioning to heat the house..
But you could always get a electric heatpump setup to get rid of the gas bill.
Thx for the video
Thank you. I'm in Sussex County. Up by the lake and our trees have kept me from pulling the trigger but I'm going to get a quote soon. It just makes sense to get off of the grid.
Hmu bro I work for freedom Solar independent contractor. Don’t go Tesla system are $150k
@@SmartyHome-hu5pt I won't 😂.. I could buy a small house for that much 😂
I'm totally baffled by these numbers. My yearly usage is 2900 kilowatt hours with a 3 person family, in a connected home (but not an appartment). Those HVAC systems must be freaking monsters.
Marques' power use is indeed ridonculous but yours is also quite a bit lower than the US average of 10,000 kWh/year.
Good job, sounds prety low to me compared to my former situation in a moderate European climate. Out pre-solar, gas fueled household used slightly more for 2 persons.
Now we have a roof full with panels, heathpump but no battery or EV. Our production is just over 6000 kWh a year and roughly net-zero.
The numbers are high and personaly I think we have some serious chalenges if every home is going full electric even without that monster AC and EV.
His Power consumtion per month is higher than the average german household‘s per year.
@@MrMagicFreedomthat’s without heating 🤯
charging an electric car at home might make the difference
To someone in the Netherlands who's not using a lot of energy, these numbers are absolutely massive. We have a 3.5 kW solar system, which, at about 3-4 Mwh a year, covers about 150% of our energy. And that's while we heat and cool fusing AC (with a tiny bit of gas usage on really cold days).
Granted, our house is a bit smaller, but even then. Also, our payback period came out to be around 3 years, which is pretty hilarious, although without a battery unit.
Was about to say that. Crazy energy use for one house
I’ve never been to the Netherlands but I’ve noticed that many countries in Europe have appliances, electronics, stoves, water heaters, etc that only turn on when you need them and you have to flip a switch to use them. Whereas here in the US that really doesn’t exist. Probably due to cost of energy being way higher in Europe and it making more sense to add switches and stuff to reduce power usage. You know how he said his power usage never went below 400-500 watts? Your home probably can get much closer to zero. That along with other factors is probably the reason.
I noticed the same. If you're spending 6500kWh in a warmish month, there's something seriously wrong with your consumption behaviour. It also indicates that american houses are really badly built (and also that they're using old tech in critical places like heating, hot water, and HVAC). A modern scandinavian house, ca 150m2 living space, uses that amount in a year, and we got real winters over here.
@@FinnenPynjar yeah and he still uses a different heating technology. He wants to spend more energy lol. I also live on about 6mwh in Switzerland with a flat, but we have some servers for the business I run.
@@michi795 Yeah, natural gas is still a bad CO2 source. But in a sense his project is a good one, as it exemplifies how the climate & environmental issues should NOT be addressed. What he's actually done is he's used a lot of money and resources to get a system which allows him, only him, to KEEP consuming insane amounts of resources. Here from Europe we would say "typical americans"...
Loved this! So much valuable information. Thanks so much for sharing.
You put a great amount of effort into your videos and thankyou for that
As others have said, it would be interesting to see how a heat pump setup would effect the winter energy use
it's usually a very small overlap between having lots of sun and needing heating
for our german setup at most 10% of the heatpump electricity would be coming from our setup
but for places with cooling needs In the summer you really get huge benefits
He said he already has net draw from the grid in the winter so a heat pump would add to that.
Cool add another $20k every 10 years... Real worth it lol
@@tellyboy17 ah yeah I also have to mention that we don't have net metering, with net metering you could just build a bigger setup if possible and cover your winter usage with your summer excess
but that's just playing the system, someone then has to produce or store energy elsewhere at the expense of everyone else
because your noon summer export electricity really isn't worth as much as your winter afternoon electricity
net metering is basically nice for the person that has it but in reality unfair for all the other parties
I would also like to see how it AFFECTS it
I live in Kenya and even watch your electric car reviews and I can't help but feel like we live in 2 different centuries, I wish all this tech was available and affordable to us in 3rd world countries bc they are really awesome, anyway a step at a time, I'm an aspiring innovator and I'm hoping to bring this and much more home. Great video keep up🎉
This stuff is not remotely affordable in first world countries either 😂 so dont get it twisted brother, this is for the 1% of the 1%
@@zwicker5585 Nah dude, it is up there and obviously there are things like kids and other factors that come into play but this fits largely into the price of your home. With different credits and buyback programs and whatever else. It's certainly not something everyone can afford but we're talking the top 15%-25% depending on circumstances.
@@teamcoltra for a 90 thousand dollar roof? Most people are stretching it at 10.. in fact it’s something like 95% of Americans don’t even have 500$ in savings.
@@zwicker5585 what your missing here is Marques has a huge home and requires 29kW of solar to offset what he uses every year. He also went with the more expensive Tesla system (solar roof tiles, not solar panels) with batteries that costs more as well. I for instance, spent $10K to upgrade my electrical and put in 8kW of solar panels. No batteries. My ROI is less than 8 years on that and offsets almost all of my electricity, including my EV, like Marques here. His is so absurdly expensive because he lives in a whole other tax bracket...
So true!!
Appreciate your effort!! Bi directional makes so much sense. Great observation at the end! That’s my plan as long as Tesla follows through.
🔥 review -- has me seriously considering this setup (again), also in New Jersey! Thanks for the info
It’s so nice having watched him go from a little teen kid tech to an adult with cool tech.
Can't wait until he reviews Mars vehicles.
That A roll set design and lighting legit looks INSANE.
felt like AI generated, yes it's crazy
@@asht7788scary thought, it could have been ai gen an we’d never know
@@banme2784AI isn't quite at the point where it can do indistinguishable video
@@jbritaintalking about just the background
What's an A roll set?
This is an excellent and informative real life review and product system analysis. Well Done!
I think this is one of your best videos... Like with Zack's, I'm looking forward to the 2 year review of your system...
Can’t imagine the amount of pre-filming work that went into this one. The animations, research, and all. Great vid man!
The lighting in the beginning of the video is so satisfying
Yes.
Hi
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bro had the ultimate chill café lighting
I did notice that haha
Awesome! I own my system, now I'm taking in ALL the benefits of going solar since 2017. We charge the Model S during the day while the sun is out, to let the batteries power the home at night with no high pull of electric on them.
What an excellent, clear and professional presentation! Many thanks, and greetings from Poland.
These kinds of videos really show what a great content creator Marques is, with real in-depth feedback on complex setups, but presented in a fun and accessible way.
Even the way how he spoke about the company that sponsored the video, was interesting;I didn't skip. In fact I was interested in the product
Yes, he's helped CZcams grow for sure. Really amazing stuff
Yeah I found the entire video really impressive, he makes it look easy but I am sure making a video of this scale is no small task Just awesome work by Marques
Why are two of the top comments almost the same exact comments 🧐
I own a solar sales company, and have sold solar for 6 years. It’s really cool seeing someone experience it for the first time and seeing their experience.
R u guys cheaper than Tesla?
@@justluxtalks They probably actually will fulfill your order and NOT screw you over, so there is that. Don't base your thoughts on what Tesla offers because an extremely famous CZcamsr who is well known to speak highly of Musk and Tesla got this. Look instead at all of the reports of Tesla failing, hardware failing, not installing things properly, not getting proper approvals from the city, and paying exponentially more than what was quoted.
@@Artimidorus you should come to rural america, warranties itself is a joke, we bought a washer but the warranty is useless because there is n one who services out in our area 😅
@@justluxtalks They are, and they're also better than Tesla. Regular solar panels are a cheaper and better option for 99% of people and will be for quite some time.
You should tell how expensive Tesla solar roof is compare to the most popularizes ones.
This was so informative. Thank you. Excellent video.
Great vid. Great lighting , sound , video , editing and information. Kudos.
One thing you didn't mention: how's the maintenance of the roof? It's cool that maintenance during snow isn't a big deal but how often do you have to clean them to keep them in optimal condition? Perhaps an update on the maintenance (or the lack thereof) in the next vid about it.
The rain does most of the job.
I would definitely update your AC system to a heat pump. I am in Chicago, and I can use it for heating in the spring and fall when you reported having the biggest surpluses from your report. With an efficient setup you could use a heat pump most of the year and supplement it with your natural gas. Thank you for the report, it was explained so clearly by you that I think I actually understood most of it. Nice job!
found the technology connections viewer!! but seriously heat pumps are awesome
Yeah we were looking at getting ac and went with a heat pump for this very reason. We have gas and as those prices go up we can choose what to use. Also have a planned install with a larger panel. With net metering we aren't getting a battery backup to cut down on price and figure when we end up getting an EV it will support reverse charging.
And go with a heat pump dryer and water heater.
Also, you can use your house as a battery with a heat pump. Pump extra heat out of the house in the night when power is cheap (if you don’t have powerwall) and have a cool house during the day with less AC
Yeah that sounded weird they should be energy efficient, or he has some insane size heat pumps
Landed in this video how he flawlessly explained about the home based solar system. I enjoyed till the end of the video and I was dreaming as well about how cool this kind of system is and wanting to have it.
Really amazing.....❤
27:00 the $5.75 isn’t just to have an account. It’s your fee to be connected to the grid so you get to use it (through net metering) as a huge battery backup by proxy! Not bad for effectively having a backup that’s gigawatt-hours in size!
This just shows once again how important house insulation is. One only realizes afterward how much energy is consumed for cooling and heating. Thank you for this detailed video. Greetings from Vienna!
Not only insulation. Let's face it. Some Americans feel the need to run their AC at 60 degrees during the summer. That's fucking stupid. The ideal and suggested temp sits between 73-75. And with that, you can sustain good cooling with proper insulation. To give you an idea. I live in a 4,600 sq ft home, 3 floors, 2 units running 24/7 set at 75, and my bill is $350 a month. That's peak summer usage bill. Every other month of the year, keeping it at 77 in the winter will keep me at 170-180 a month. Be smart people.
Exactly! Efficiency is king -- if one doesn't waste it, then it doesn't need to be generated or transmitted or stored, and we can be satisfied with smaller cheaper solutions. I love Vienna, btw -- it's so much fun walking around all day, as long as I can stay away from the cars.
@@ShouriSeifuku That depends on the outsdie temp and humidity. I live in a 1200 sqft 2 bedroom apartment and keeping my place 73 during the summer runs me $80. Peak is around $100. Winter I keep it at 72 and costs me $120.
But that's with really high prices and I'm paying extra because I wanted to purchase blocks of green energy. So it actually doubles my bill.
I can afford a much bigger home but I chose smaller because it's more efficient and because I could keep it very warm or very cold without paying much.
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Housebuilder here no shit Thermo thresholds are very important not only is it important in cold climates but hot to
“For whatever reason everything went smoothly”. I’m sure being one of the biggest voices in tech didnt hurt
Thanks for sharing. This is well presented. I didn't realize I wasn't subbed for so long.
Great video mate, this kind of video has the power to encourage many others to take the plunge
As an energy policy analyst and power grid modeler, this video is sooo interesting. I’ve worked with datasets or statistics averaging these kind of metrics to analyze the benefits of those new federal tax credits you mentioned. But a story like this really brings such a great detailed zoom in on an experience. Love this video and will definitely take lessons from it into account in my work!
As a heat pump enthusiast, I'm over here wondering why Marques Brownlee doesn't have a Mitsubishi hyper heat?!
@@AnIdiotwithaSubarucuz its not from apple or tesla
@@AnIdiotwithaSubaru i was thinking about that too. Though he is already operating at a shortage in winter months, so the natural gas may be cheaper. I assumed he meant heat pump when he mentioned switching to electric heating
Stop wasting tax payer money.
@@r32juan tesla may do heat pumps in the future, Elon said it
This was EASILY the most relevant solar power review I've seen. You literally hit every concern I've had about going solar. Snow, bi-directional charging, practical information for the Northeast... Very comprehensive. Thank you!
if you can find poly panels they are even better than the standard solar panels as they use more different light frequencies ... while standard only uses Blue ... making them better from sun up to sun down and not just in peak sun ...
I love seeing those graphs on an app. Especialy when the sun is shining so perfectly, that it looks like a perfect bell curve.😊 Not a single dip or anythong else, a smooth curve.
I just love your videos man…even though I’m not getting it lol..really informative
I don't normally leave comments but this is by far one of the simplest and most informative videos I have ever seen. Marques is a great and clear speaker and love the fact he doesn't repeat himself so well done now Im off to check out more of his videos
It's also not how solar panels work either. You can't just power your house from the sun without a medium. if the power grid goes down and you have solar panels, your house has no power as well. If you had a medium like batteries then it would draw from the battery. It's designed like this so you don't have fluctuating power in case a cloud pops over your roof and ruins your appliances.
@@ak15567, That is actually incorrect. I can draw direct from my panels. Or not draw, the energy is there, yes batteries make the system more smooth and reliable and it is not wise to draw direct from panels, but it is possible. You just need some different equipment. I kind of want it anyway, because during peek sun, sometimes I trip my intake breaker.
Fluctuating power can cause two issues, brownouts or whiteouts. Brownouts tend to cause data loss, but are not usually harmful, whiteouts, can burn out equipment. We have a line conditioner which helps prevent both. In the fluctuation conditions and no battery though, really you can only clean off the peeks, effectively limiting the flow of power.
@@offroadr Are you talking physically capable or are you talking NECA codes? It is not per code to have your solar panel DIRECTLY power your appliance. There is no discussion, unless you rewrote the code in the last 5 months since I've checked.
@@ak15567, Physically capable, however, just because there is no battery doesn't mean there shouldn't be something in between.
That 55 MWh yearly energy consumption is just insane since that doesn't even include heating! In the arctic circle in northern Europe, with winters where you have typically 1 meter (or ~3 feet) of snow and temperatures hitting below 0 °F during the winter for 2-3 months, a basic family home with electric heating uses around 25 MWh in a year for EVERYTHING!
My home tops 2 MWh per year for a family of 3 in Brazil.
Marques lives in a really big house. 2 AC units too.
tesla consumes a lot of energy 🤔 and no fuel cost.
I think the regulations for insulation and heat loss in America are much more lax than in Europe. In Europe we're slowly beginning to see 'zero energy houses': No heating needed all year round, even in the north. However, in northern Europe we're also beginning to see more demand for A/C, something that has become a necessity for more people as our summers get hotter.
We live in a House of Three with two ACs ... My PC is running 12 Hours a day, two TVs and so on ... i pay 125€ per Month, where a KWh costs 32 cents.
So 3 People in a medium house in Europe pay all together just 125€. Thats 1500€ per Year. Dude ...
I’ve got a similar setup in the UK. So almost zero aircon use but we have just completed a year with a heat pump. Less sun means we need to pull power from the grid but our two Powerwalls have allowed the power from the grid to be almost all at a super cheap rate 7.5p. Summer we will earn from exporting
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you.
As someone who works in Solar, I loved this video, explaining the basics and some of the terminology. Well done Sir!
Sorry to ask, but as a non-sciency person... we live in SG and most are in apartments. We get a lot of hot afternoon sun. Do you think one day we would have buildings/things that absorb the massive heat (not necessarily solar light) from the sun and then turn that into something that we could store/use? 2 months ago my apartment generated 1000+kwh, and I feel guilty but have no alternatives. Its just too hot out here and we don't get much breeze due to building direction - so air condition and fan are difficult to avoid.
greetings to solar citizen
But a significantly flawed financial analysis of this investment. He assumes taxpayer subsidies reduced the project's costs. They did not, but rather just shifted a large portion of the project's costs to unwilling taxpayers. And he values a dollar in year 10 as equal to a dollar today, completely ignoring inflation. See my full comment and mini-analysis elsewhere. It's at least 18 to 24 years before savings exceed the original costs.
No annoying loud background music & pure tech knowledge at its best ❤️👌 explaining so well 👌😊
This was a very informative video. especially for a guy like me that goes to Africa every year and dealing with power outages whiles down there.
in winter just charge at low night rate your batteries and either dump to grid for higher price or use during day. good video
This was the single most informative video about solar power + batteries that I’ve ever seen. Kudos! VERY well researched and very good production values.
19:19 "payment method: cash"
did you give them a briefcase full of money
You did a wonder video explaining all the ins and outs of solar with batteries. Having those batteries would of been wonderful for me when Excel turned off our AC for three days because of high winds in Colorado to prevent wildfire. I almost lost all my food in the ref and had to deal without O2 for those days too. Luckily it was not freezing so I didn't have to worry about the pipes freezing. Turn off the power will be come the norm for many reasons include storms, fire and lack of power generation. I would not let the grid pull AC from my batteries because they are wearing out your batteries.
What to consider before going solar:
1. What are my total appliances power rate?
2. How long am I using them in a single day?
3. What are the sun hours in a single day in my location?
4. What battery capacity can handle my appliances without being completely drained?
5. What solar panel capacity is able to fully charge the battery from 0%-100% on a single day?
6. Can the system sustain my energy needs for two to three days when there's no sufficient sunshine?
Once you are able to answer these questions, you will have no problems once you install your solar power backup system.
1. Can I afford the initial cost of getting my roof rebuilt with fucking solar panels?
This is by far the most concise and simple solar video I have seen yet. Thank you so much for making something that I can send to non tech/solar people and have them understand it!
He forgot two major things
1. Your dépendant on the power company to pay u
That ended not well in Europe
Everybody got screwed. Companies dropped the price they paid.
2. EV is clean if u ignore the slave children who mine cobalt
Or the massif and ecological cost of mining
But we r destroying Africa so nobody cares
Especially not the guy from South Africa
So true,..... Very well balanced presentation
I don't know if it is just me but this is one of the best MKBHD videos just visually, the lighting, background, everything is on point.
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woooooow, that rollback shit is insane. the fact u can build up to winter and be safe is so cool. Also like he said towards the end how it makes him consider swapping other appliances to electrical is so good for the environment cause you know plenty of ppl would swap to an electric car or stove ect if they got this and studied their app and saw all the potential
Thanks for sharing your video. Very informative 👏🏻
6:14 Gee, I WONDER WHY Marques got a perfectly smooth purchasing experience. Surely it had *nothing* to do with his 17.9 MILLION subscribers.
It doesn't have to do with the subscribers, it actually has to do with the subscribers.
Wait....
Hubby watched this tonight, he has been wanting to go off-grid since he built his first home in 1986, but CA building & planning in San Diego County thought he was crazy back then!!! Been doing research since then for our next (final) house to retire. He says this review is the best, most thorough, and concise that he has seen. Great job & very well done!!!
if your hubby does his home work he will go to the source of most things solar China. I have been researching and the cost is way lower than you can imagine. Always stay with Grade A panels consider micro inverters as they generally will last at least 2 times longer than string inverters. Remember Batteries still remain the most expensive part of a system. Consider a hybrid system with part using micro inverters and a smaller sized string hybrid inverter. Why? because a hybrid inverter will output grid frequency power and keep the micro inverters turned on
Awesome last name
@@stevepailet8258 China equipment is garbage.
Check out Chinas EVs that catch on fire all by themselves- the videos are all over the place. But you do you my brother 🙏 peace
Your husband willing to share information with like minded younger folk with the same goal?
If interested in Solar I work for freedom Solar pros
Great video Marques. I work in the solar industry. The Tesla solar tiles are interesting. Good job explaining everything. I learned a lot. I would recommend any homeowner to look into solar for their home, especially now, because of all the incentives. In 5-10 years, having a home WITHOUT solar will be looked at as weird. Have a great day everyone 👍☀️
Thanks for stats. Great content!