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The Tesla Solar Glass Roof was one of the biggest announcements in the solar industry. Yes 4 years later, it has been a commercial failure, with homeowners seeing initial quotes double by the time it came to install. So what happened? Why has it been such a struggle, and is it too late for Tesla's ambitious solar project? Let's figure this out together!
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0:00 - Introduction
1:50 - Intentional Design
2:57 - First Hand Experience
6:20 - Installing Glass Roof
8:00 - Durability
9:50 - Power of Insulation
10:45 - Underlayment & Hands on
12:30 - Prices
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the prices in the USA or your area must be incredible high or overpriced compared to here in central Europe.
30 kWp on a complicated roof facing south but separated in the middle by a dormer of 7 m width with a chimney for the wood oven and another one for the oil central heating was 22000€ incl. a 15 kWh lfp battery, but of cause no tesla stuff cause they could not even write an offer for a battery.
Therefore how long would it take to get a quote for a whole roof from Tesla ?
And here in europe there have been shingle cells out for years so Tesla has competition but again those shingles are way to expensive compared to the current solar panel prices which are here below 200€ incl. tax for each kWp , panel only without the under construction which is here about 80€ per kWp, so 280€ or roughly 300$ per kWp without the inverter side.
Prices have dropped by 50% since the china is pushing its production into the EU.
And they also have been able to conquer heatpump market shares most recently, a 12 kW monobloc heatpump without subsidies is shipped to EU for 2000 $ incl. customs and vat.
I have an older house with a complicated, unhelpful roof. I built a solar porch with 30' x 16' of panels. It's only 6kW - but with 14kWh of batteries, it's enough for 9 months of the year. I'm surprised more people don't do similar. You get a nice shaded porch & deck out of it too. Total cost of the groundworks, steelwork, panels, battery & inverter was about $30k.
It will take 6 years to pay for itself - but like you said, the most important thing it gives us is independence from the grid.
my electric bill is less than 50/ month from the utility. so solar would never be worth it
That’s amazing!!
Thinking about adding a porch system to my system as our current system is close but not quite enough
A good part of the problem with the porch solar method would be uninformed HOAs. Sadly, the average wage slave in this country can't afford to do this, and that's a shame because we don't have fancy homes that have HOAs.
@@jameswilson5165 Luckily, we don't have HOA's, just the local planning authority. They are sometimes negative about Solar - but this went through planning approval without a hitch.
The promise of the Tesla roof when it was launched was that you could replace your existing roof with a solar roof and get a better product for about the cost of a new roof plus separate solar panels.
That clearly hasn’t worked out. In this guys’ case he could have just as easily put regular panels on top of the metal roof on that same building. Especially because no one can see that roof the aesthetic value is basically wasted.
Yes plus factor in $150K for a meager 17 KWH of solar and only 50 KWH of storage, this is a $10K system, not $150K.
You can install traditional solar panels with water-proofing in between them, thus serving as roof, saving money on roofing materials and work too.
@@NeblogaiLT I could be wrong, but conventional panels are generally not walkable - and that may be a code requirement for some situations.
@@ksnax You can walk on them if you're careful and not too heavy. If you step on the frames no problem. I used to be a solar installer, we walked all over them during large commercial installs, I never broke one doing so.
Another problem is trees being in the way. Our city prides itself as being a Tree City USA from the National Arbor Foundation. No street trees can be removed or pruned without the permission of the City's arborist. There is nothing in the city's ordinance that says street trees can be cut down for solar energy projects.@@ksnax
Calling a 4000+ sq ft single family home environmentally friendly is pretty funny. I would put it more in the "prepper" category, but still pretty cool.
Everything is bigger in Texas.
This is the contradiction at the heart of the modern environmentalist movement. Humans have grown used to high energy consumption and materialism. If you want to fix the environmental issues, you need to be less modern. It's as simple as that. Installing your own power plant (solar roof/batteries), water tank, propane generator, etc, imagine if everyone on earth did that? It's so incredibly inefficient per capita. If you actually want to reduce your environmental footprint, go live in a crowded building and stop using transportation, electronics, and hunt for your food.
@bloong1080 then bring your gutted, tongue out deer home on public transportation.
welcome to Texas where everything is bigger.
Pennsylvania has a special new subsidy for retrofitting homes for solar energy. My house is ideal, one of the specialists involved in the program told me. The roof faces south. It has no obstructions such as trees, dormers or nearby buildings. The angle of the sun is appropriate to the climate. He recommended against installing solar.
Why? My house is too small. The roof covers 450 square feet. Tiny. The cost of solar electricity and the cost of buying electricity from the grid are identical. But before solar panels can be installed, according to the specialist, I would have to replace my existing shingled roof because the shingles are halfway through their life cycle. I can't afford to re-shingle my roof. So for me, solar energy is dead.
I might note that nearly property owners within a half mile of my house face the same situation. Or worse. Like me, they live in a densely built city. Their houses, like mine, are 100 years old or older. Many houses are duplexes. In half the cases, the roofs face north. Most south-facing roofs are obstructed by trees or dormers. The home owners or renters have small backyards, so the choice for the owners is either solar or places for the kids to play.
Unless cities demolish densely populated housing and replace the land with McMansions like Ricky's or the gentleman from Texas, no one here can afford solar energy. For most low- and moderate-income folks, solar energy is wishful thinking.
There's another problem for people who live in snow country: avalanche! If you live where you can get 1 to 2 feet of snow in a storm, be warned that when the sun comes out the next day it warms the snowpack to the point that the entire load cuts lose at once due to the slick surface (asphalt shingle holds it in place for normal melting). Someone below can get hit with hundreds or thousands of pounds of falling snow. Not an issue in San Diego or Texas but a design factor to consider in Colorado and other places.
That's what snow guards are for. You'll need them for metal and slate roofs, as well.
Depending on roof angle, snow density, etc, those work great for up to about 8" of snow. Not so much when there's 12+" , just not enough bond to the surface like standard shingle provide. Leaving roof space below the panels helps a lot that that isn't a Tesla option.
Our Tesla solar roof was installed October 2021, in SW Washington state. I agree about roof design for solar, but I wouldn't go as extreme as this guy. Personally I hate shed roofs. One thing I did to make more clear space on the south plane was move a vent from the south to the north plane. It isn't hard to do in most cases. But I think houses should be designed with no vents on the south planes, i.e. put the vents on gable ends or the north planes. Tesla actually installed a lot of PV tiles on the north plane as well, fortunately my "new" vent did not interfere with those. In terms of ROI, if I can skip a roof replacement in 21 years (which I think is likely), the extra cost is definitely worth it. Or if I get invited to participate in a VPP (not yet, but very likely), the ROI will be much better. Part of the problem with Tesla solar roof is Tesla seems to lack a clear commitment to making them profitable and successful. Elon doesn't give them much love - but then again he is a wildcard, so that may be a good thing. I do think Tesla solar roofs make sense, but not on complex or shaded roofs. Our setup: 10.6kW + 2 powerwalls, total cost $79k minus 27% tax rebates. 2300 ft^2 house, nothing fancy, built 1990. Produces more than we use, even here in the cloudiest part of the country. Including the $12/month connection fee, our power bill last year was $5.10. We have been extremely happy with the roof and its performance.
that's amazing. Cheers and thanks for sharing. I hope to build my dream home someday with all these advancements to enjoy and hand down to my kids
A lot of people here are pointing out the video title is clickbait. I'd have to agree somewhat, especially since Ricky did not do a good job connecting his content to the title (or vice versa). Most people have a problem with the word EPIC, myself included, but be that as it may, I don't have a problem with "failure," you just have to read between the lines of Ricky's video. .... My take away is that if the roof is not simple, flat, no protrusion roof like the one of the Texas home, the cost of putting on a Tesla solar becomes way too cost prohibitive because of all the extra time (and probably material that gets wasted) from having to make all those special angle cuts when there multiple roof planes that meet up and not a full solar roof panel can be used. I believe that's the failure Ricky poorly explained / tied in with the title. ... Still have not seen any update from @Two Bit da Vinci (Ricky) which is IMHO would go a long way in assuaging those who have complained about the title and the intent of what was meant to be conveyed in the video. ... I'll be darn. Just as I'm finishing writing this up, Ricky puts out an update. Haven't read it yet so this should be interesting. ... Nope, unfortunately nothing useful ,,, yet! ;)
Clickbait title..Glad to see more about the system, but the title is bad. The owner seems.very happy, so that is not an epic failure. All new technology is expensive until it gets redesigned and cheaper.
It actually made me not want to watch it on that basis. I'd have missed an interesting vid, if the quality of the channel hadn't swayed me.
It is a failure vs what was actually promised.
Well, I kind of thought we'd get info about what's good, and then a few minutes at least on what isn't going well with solar roof - such as the pathetic number of installs. I completely missed it even though I've watched this twice more or less. I'm honestly wondering if there's a part 2 or some footage that got missed out.
Wake up from your Musk cult
@@jonevansauthoryeah that’s the question. Why has Tesla failed to ramp it up?
Thanks Ricky for making this video! I've always clenched when saw those intricate roofs, thinking, how on earth will you put solar on them? Therefor, when it came to designing my home I told the architect to just design the simplest roof, maximizing the area I'll be able to put solar on.
I thought the same thing!
@@TwoBitDaVinci
A rectangular house oriented towards yhe sun generally has more cost benefits than other house styles like lower taxes, less building costs, less maintenance, etc. Feng shui advocates square houses as well...
Those intricate roofs are dumb for a lot of reasons.
@@dustman96
Not sure much intricate but compound, but essentially agreed.
Obvious clickbait title but I knew it would be good. From what I’ve seen lately, Tesla Solar roof has mainly been going on very expensive homes. It’s very expensive so I think they’re using the same approach as far as starting with the high end then eventually driving the cost lower. I don’t like cookie cutter style homes but it would be so much faster, easier and less expensive if all the roofs were the same in a neighborhood. Still, Solar roof is awesome.
Not clickbait. Watch launch event
100% intentional clickbait. What are you talking about!@@justinr9753
3:20 ya basically if youre a multimillionaire you too can have this setup, plan out a couple years while you live in your other mansion. Maybe next time Rick can bring himself down from the clouds and focus on a solar setup practical for the lower middle class and rheir under 160,000 home in or near the Ohio/Tennessee Valley.
While I'm enthusiastic about adopting solar energy, the current costs pose a significant barrier, especially considering my power consumption. A $150k solar solution seems excessively expensive, far surpassing the grid cost by a considerable margin. Both times I've consulted with solar contractors in my area to install a grid tie system, they have discouraged solar installation as a cost-saving measure. I hope in the future, we'll witness a significant decrease in the cost of solar solutions, making them more accessible to a broader audience. I'd love to be a customer
No one said you have to get a solar roof…. People have been installing affordable solar panels for quite awhile
The ROI on solar is so highly dependent on local utility rates, climate, orientation and design of your house, that "the cost of solar" is nearly meaningless. "The cost of solar for this specific house" is the better phrase. Moving to a different house may be the only way it works for you.
The ROI worked for me out of dumb luck
@@tedmcdaniel2951you missed the biggest aspect. Rebates and Tax incentives…. Oh and, whether you do, and how much you get back from the utilities
solar contractors are discouraging solar installation? I think maybe they aren't really solar contractors then.. Did you mean to say your regular utility company discouraged you?
@@TylerFernandes94he stated they discouraged framing solar as solely a cost saving measure
I can't believe that solar is so expensive in US, I'm from Croatia (EU), mostly everything is cheaper in US then EU, especially in Cro. We dont have yet Tesla panels what i know, but i worked on houses with regular solars and its about 1000e per 1kw. Worked on 20kw solar power plant it cost 20000e but firm that sale it they do all documents, permits and even apply to EU subvention witch go to 80%, other then solar panels in same subventions go, heating pumps, batteries etc.
It's not, these quotes noted in the video are ridiculous and way too high.
All new homes need large 2 to 3 foot roof overhangs. This will help protect the doors, windows and siding from rain and water damage. Water intrusion is a buildings enemy and causes much damage every year.
good gutters do the same thing and better an overhang will only protect a small part of the wall unless the rain is vertical
@@wraith600original1gutters protect the foundation. That’s their main point. And no matter how good they are, enough rain and or wind, and it goes right over the gutter. And god forbid you don’t keep them constantly clean.
The lower 1/3 to 2/3 of any house wall will get hit by rain and water spattered off the surrounding ground surface. This is why bricks are so good. They withstand the water and joints can be repointed every 100 years.
I understand that, perspective is everything.
@@davidelliott5843 or even modified formulas of otherwise typical masonary compounds. Places to put viable recycled materials to reduce Garbage Hill caused by mountains of less than multi platform lego adaptability within design that we not only see, we generate enabling more of it by not demanding meaningful defacto standards on a otherwise repairable only planet in our holdings.
The things that should not be overlooked, or we get what we deserve by nobodies default than our own really.
Tesla needs to have partnerships with new home and subdivision builders. It is more cost effective to put solar roof panels and a new roof and not have to spend labor to tear off and prep and old roof. Designing the home for solar make solar more cost effective.
I mean, yes. But also, the tear down was already going to happen…. How many people are spending this much money, and tearing down a good roof? They are replacing their old roofs, so that cost was already going to happen anyways. And if you are tearing down a good roof, you CLEARLY don’t care about costs.
@@jamesbizs Extra labor cost for the tear off and prep of the old roof adds to the cost of the roof replacement. Much cheaper to do a new house. People are not tearing off good roofs.. They are getting solar when their old roof is near the end of its life expectancy and needs to be replaced anyway.
@@KJSvitkothat’s literally what I said…. Tear off isn’t an EXTRA cost. It’s a cost that already had to happen, whether you do solar or not. I’m not sure why you’re even bringing it up, when you clearly understand and agree that no one is tearing off a good roof . Yet you still some who think tear down cost is a consideration? Compared to what?
Good Faith Energy works with architects and home builders to do just that. The challenge in Texas will be for the customer to make it clear to the architects and builders that that’s is what they are looking for as the earliest stages of the design process.
I find the topics you pick for your show really interesting and relevant. On solar roofs, it seems that house design needs to change. The focus needs to change from curb appeal to practicality. Subdivisions need to be oriented in such a way that the predominant roof needs to face south for use with solar panels or solar roofs. This is a municipal requirement issue. It may take a private developer to jump start this type of development.
Home design is virtually unchanged since colonial times; before plumbing and septic, heating and cooling, let alone electricity and Internet. We can do much better.
I would be very concerned about that foam insulation if it’s the stuff that burns and gives off cyanide gas.
It's not an either/or situation. You can have both, and both are important. It's a matter of problem solving.
My 11kw system in New Jersey cost me $33k installed with the electrical panel upgrade. I didn't do batteries because NJ does net metering and gives you credits if you grid-connect. Also at $10k per battery, adding batteries really extends the break-even date on solar installations. With tax credits, my system will pay itself off in 6 years. One battery would push that breakeven point to 9-10 years. I will hold out for a solid state battery if I'm going to put it on my house.
Only problem with net metering and a grid connection is that we already see energy companies, and their pet politicians, working to either undermine adoptions and/or find ways to make you pay in fees and taxes for being connected to said grid, instead of the other way around. And, they could also "require" you to be grid connected to install at all, if you do so via something like tax credits, or the like, thus forcing you to pay those fees. It's inevitable that energy companies will, at some point, become backup for your own power, or a source only for those that the solar can't scale to, like companies that use massive amounts of power, but there is no way in hades they will give up making hone owners pay through the nose somehow during that transition.
Mind, currently something like the Tesla power walls has the same problem as electric cars- the biggest long term cost is replacing the batteries. So.. maybe a better bet wpuld be for energy companies to solve this issue by "renting" the batteries. Something like that, or a core exchange, like with lead acid batteries will have to happen soon, or the cost, both to anyone trying to adopt such, never mind, ironically, a whole new class of environmental damage, will also become inevitable, erasing all gains made by installing it in the first place.
@@patrickelliott2169 It depends on your state. New Jersey is a solid blue state and has green energy mandates in place for the power companies as well, and I think home solar counts toward the power company mandates, so my power company is encouraging solar adoption. There is a grid connection fee every month, but for me it's $5 per month. On Long Island, NY, its' $15 per month, but they have a similar program.
“Us Texans value our independence “ I was living in Texas when everything froze over and people were dying. The way the grid is built “independently “ in Texas guarantees that Texans are on their own in an emergency. Politicians left us high and dry too
Just keep a gas or propane generator on the side cost me 5,000. Also people depend too much on the government to take care of them that gets you killed.
Yep. Someone claiming the principle of independence as an end to itself is so short-sighted. We live in a complicated interconnected society and world in so many aspects. And we gain so much value and benefit from our interconnectedness.
Sure, Texans value independence, unless you are a pregnant woman.
Did you vote for the people representing you?
I would deepen that pond because that reduces the water's heat, and hence evaporative loss. I would include swales or other rainwater harvesting structures made from onsite materials because hundred-year weather events happen.
I prioritize resiliency and value-for-the-money rather than solving for one problem. I can relate to his POV.
Good-to-know stuff without being annoying. I would like to install a bifacial solar panel roof over an oversized carport for my initial build.
Good stuff. Growing trees is supposed to help regulate water fluctuations better too. Permaculture builds up soil from leaf litter. This soil absorbs water better than dry hard sun baked soil. Increasing absorption and retention of water…
@@michaelsmithers4900
Agreed. I follow Brad Lancaster and am hoping bioswales become a bigger thing.
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing.
Remember that this pricing is prior to the 30% tax credit which makes it more affordable than a luxury roof of the same size. Also this product will eventually pay itself off and basically turn a profit on energy savings from then on. No other roofing products cover your energy cost, back up your home, or pay themselves off.
I agree with you that house design should enable solar. Unfortunately, with 80% of new developments ending up under the control of the 2-bit dictator system known as the "Homeowners Association", whose first and foremost goal is to prevent any possible non-traditional use of your property from occurring, you can forget this from ever happening.
Agreed but that's no reason to give up. People need to show up to homeowners association meetings or get involved in local politics where they can to start changing the policies.
In a perfect world Ricky, you can design for that type of roof. As a designer I only have to keep that in the back of my mind as I'm working with my clients. My State (Washington) has a strict energy code that does have this carbon credit system which would allow near half the credits required, IF we add a solar roof. So it is coming or pushing against the tide of what residential design should look like. It is a notoriously slow industry to change.
Why couldn’t a computer program be created that takes a 3D laser scan of any existing roof, finds the geometry, fills in the area as best as possible with energy producing panels and fills in the remainder with geometry of cut non producing tiles, exports that to a water jet table, and makes a bill of materials of the assembly? I’m pretty sure all of the necessary programming components already exist to do this right now.
How does the efficiency of Tesla solar compare to traditional solar? How does it compare to when the glass tiles first came out, and how does it compare to gaf timberline solar regarding cost durability efficiency? Good video but those are the questions I have.
GAF is nowhere near as hail resistant. Efficiency claims are close. The GAF system lays down right on the deck/waterproof barrier just like a shingle and they don't recommend an air gap or mesh. A lot of questions about how hot they get and does that hurt power production. I have the GAF system (10kW) and it doesn't seem to be a problem for me. Tesla has more air circulation. GAF has a nice looking warranty, untested by me. If you like apps, Tesla's is way better. My GAF system was maybe half the cost of Tesla, installed in one day, wired in another day, price didn't change. GAF has no social media presence that I see. I think it looks a little weird. Works for me. I was interested in Tesla but availability and price were big factors.
@@davidstewart1153just curious how much of that roof is the solar cell part? I've been wondering how good that GAF product is and haven't really found lots of reviews for it. Maybe you would like to do one:-). Or maybe get Ricky to do one!
@@laughinggas5281 About 60% of the total area for my installation. The GAF shingles are 5 feet wide and would work better on a simpler roof. Tesla tiles are easier to cram into complex roof shapes. GAF seems to market to roofers and let them sell the system, so there's no social media, influencer, referral codes etc.
if you pause on 1:00 youll see the drydock concrete wall is just sitting on dirt or whatever it is it should have been all the way down not like that
A little off topic, with spay insulation how is it recycled once the house gets demolished or renovations are done? This would be a good topic to do a video on.
It’s not. If you’re looking for recyclable insulation you’d have to use EPS or other rigid foam. Spray foam has lots of drawbacks.
Good video, it's a shame to see how much more it costs to retro fit an existing roof. You talk about roof does that include Tesla panels too.
Great video. I don't think they're going to give up. They just really need to work on producing these at scale much more affordably. My neighbor just got a tesla solar roof. It looks awesome. Haven't gotten an update from them on how they like it they've only had it for a couple months. But I will definitely be interested in finding out
Elon always thinks in decades, might have a slow ramp up but it would make sense if they partnered up with more and more companies that build houses from scratch.. bound to happen
@@AWESEM0designing a house, with these panels in mind, would sure cut down the costs
When I hear installation numbers like that I just tune out. Who can justify that wild estimate. I don't think those people have any real idea what it will actually cost.
That level of spray foam I think they need a full fire mitigation system Or place rock wool over everything. I would be terrified a small spark catching. Stuff goes up like napalm.
$50,000 above the cost for standard panels is a crazy price premium. If it was $10,000 I'd start to entertain the idea but really I think that the price is a major barrier.
Agreed! As an installer and electrician, I can’t believe what people pay for these Tesla roof tiles. Freaking nuts!! That guy should have a sweet ground mount or outdoor covered space with panels.
@@MGiosparky yep. Never pay more than $2/watt installed or you’re getting robbed
Tesla already has their own construction crews at Giga Texas. The company should absolutely hire some architects to design modular housing made for solar roofs. If they want more employees in Sparks, Nevada, they need to build housing and offer it as a perk. Just like the Optimus team found they had to design their own actuators, Tesla Solar should have new home designs. Modular self-powered homes are another trillion dollar upcoming market.
I don't know why solar is so expensive in the U.S.. I am in Sydney Australia. I just put in 6.5. kw of Q panels and a 5kw Fronius inverter for $8kAustralian ( about $5,500 U.S.). It generates an average of 25 kwhs per day.
Exactly. Installers here a robbing homeowners. The panels racking balance of system and inverter should be less than $2 per watt installed
I have often seen overly complicated roof designs on newer builds. Or roofs facing the wrong way. I object to them not only because of the difficulty for solar installs, but any shingle replacement is more expensive with extra labour needed with more potential for failure and water intrusion.
Ironically, houses built prior to the 2000s are often better suited for solar. Our house has a huge south facing area. There is an 8.9 kw system on there now with room for another 6 kw as our electrical needs increase.
It is possible to retrofit an older home for energy efficiency. My rental was made of 2 by 4 construction with cheap r12 insulation. Probably not even that. I first upgraded the siding which gave me another r5. Upgraded the windows at the same time. Whenever I upgrade a room I add a 2 by 2 on the studs making it 2 X 6. I can fill this space with roxul (r22). I then add 1 inch of foam which is also a vapour barrier (r5) and a thermal break. So go from r 8 or 12 to r32. I did this not only to save money, but also to make the house more comfortable. It was hot in the summer, cold in the winter.
I'm hoping Tesla collaborates with other factory manufactured homes like Boxabl, Cover, and Abodu and maybe even RVs like the Lightship, PebbleFlow, and Northern Lites.
I had a contract to install back in 2020. The company installed two Tesla roofs and then stopped. The price was high but so was Tesla stock. 2023 I found another, bigger company and was really excited about moving forward. The price - pretty much double. So I’m going with panels and powerwalls.
How does the solar roof operate with part shade. Are there multiple micro inverters?
Sorry, but I think I missed something. In what way is the "Tesla Solar Glass Roof Is an EPIC Failure"?
Aside from high installation costs for complicated roofs, this seemed like a very positive assessment.
From everything I’ve heard the real problem with Tesla roofs were incomplete installations. My sister put up the big bucks for a system on her existing house in the Boston area. They installed the panels and left without finalizing the installation. She was forced to wait several years for them to come back and finish the installation. The installer had gotten paid for the roof. She had to wait for the electric to be finished and without that there is no payback and the low profits on that section left no incentive to the installer to come back. In retrospect I’m sure she would have had the contract written differently, just saying buyer beware and read the fine print.
Hunh. A contractor who leaves enormous gaps in the job timeline while they pursue other work, screwing their existing clients. Never heard of that happening before.
@@eyesuckle right - that is why you can pay the contractor 100% upfront, rather than keep some back until the project completes ;-)
That totally sks ! Who's brilliant idea was it to pay the roofer before installation was complete?
I think when they spray foam the attic like that - it is considered part of the conditioned envelope even if not directly conditioned.
It would be interesting to put a heat pump water heater in that attic and see what the ambient temperatures are…
In Florida I received a discount on insurance for the opposite type of roof. Lots of hips and valleys. I guess it makes it harder for hurricanes to peel them off.
It does get South and West shading from those trees that are fairly close. Depending on the system, a small percentage of shading can greatly reduce the solar collection.
I cashed a roofer about my roof about 3 years ago. I have an old home - built 1926. It was $50k for the roof, and a single Powerwall. I did Euroshield instead, even that was $25k.
Finally a clickbait title that is kind of true. 😂
Solar seems to be very expensive in the US. In Australia, I put in 13.2kw of solar on our roof which cost about $8,000 (AU), this includes the inverters (2 x 5kw inverters) and installation cost. We have a subsidy scheme, but it's fading away year by year as the rebate scheme decreases. The market is so mature we pretty much don't need it anymore. Without the rebate, I would have paid about an additional $4,500 (AU), being $12,500 (AU) in total; which is about $8,396.25 (US). There is so much competition in the US, I would have expected even better prices.
how do the financials look for this install? how many years to pay off? looks great but expensive.
Without solar, the energy on this house would probably cost about $6K-$10K/yr. Let’s call it $8K. After the 30% tax credit, you’re looking at $100K. So +/-12 years?
The other thing to think about is that this roof will never have to be replaced again which would eliminate any insurance claims for roofing replacements. Now it’s less than 12 years.
Is there any other roofing product that has an ROI?
@@pablovial11 thanks for the reply. doesn’t 8K seem high though? i live in 3300 sq ft in minnesota and average about $3K/year.
The Tesla solar roof quote for my house was $228K for about 13 KW and 3 powerwalls. I think my roof was more complicated than yours! I'm hoping their prices will drop a bit in the future...
The only thing this video made me realize is that on a new home build trying to buy a 25kw solar roof setup would be WAY out of reach. That is insane that his cost that much with that simple a setup.
35 years in the Industry…The elimination of all cutting of solar tiles was needed.
Start with ‘’New Construction Only’’
1. Produce about 3 continuous sizes, example: 6’ 10’. 14’.
2. Mandate contractors build houses in sections to those exact sizes.
3. Channel all pipes ect. in attic to 1 or more decorative fireplaces with hinged tops for access.
4. Optional application would be VERTICAL for allowing different lengths & heights of given sections. This mimics standing seam metal roofs.
Any competent roofing crew could prep the roof beforehand hand & finish any roof up to approximately 5,000 in 1 day.
-“Some’’ Existing houses could be converted by construction companies to channel pipes through Attic to false chimneys & re configure roof..
Ricky, would love to see a review from you on the GAF timberline solar shingle product
My wife and I are in the process of building a new home. It will be a shed roof and there will be solar exposure. So this Tesla roof may be the ticket. But I wonder about how they handle necessary protrusions like plumbing vents, etc. We also have not been able to get a reply from Tesla regarding doing a project in our area. Union, Washington
The price point is 3x what it should be... They said leasing, or paying over time would make these affordable. I have 21+ square & it is more than the value of my home to put this on... Impossible~
I agree completely about updating the way we build homes, and Lou's desire for independence deeply resonates with me (as do the environmental and cost savings aspects). My solar system is only 7kw, though I've about 38kwh in battery storage. Even charging my EV, I generate slightly more than I consume over the entire year, but I _love_ being energy independent (for the majority of the time anyway). I hired Tesla to do the PV / battery system in my previous home, and they did a great job, but for this home I chose a more DIY approach for various reasons. The inverter I chose is the Sol-Ark 8k specifically for its off-grid and backup generator support, and it rocks.
False advertising with title. Didn’t see any mention of failure
It’s been a total commercial flop… what do you mean?
You can retrofit your current traditional vented attic into a conditioned space by sealing it up with spray foam, I've done it in my current property. When it was built, it had a vented attic and the problem with this design is that not only is it not energy efficient, it was letting bugs in and also causing issues with truss uplifting that resulting in cracking on walls and doors not closing properly during certain season. I had a contractor come in and seal off the attic with spray foam and all those problems go away.
One thing you will want to consider is that you don't have to use spray foam for the entire insulation. It can be a lot cheaper to have them use spray foam to seal up the attic first, then have batts attached behind the foam secured using twine. You will get the same resulting R value for insulation and it'll be a lot cheaper.
Apply GMG's Thermal-XR onto the A/C elements and the efficiency would greatly improved.
Wow that view of your house has me as a homebhowner thinking wow like all of modern media out of touch. Who can afford this? 85% of people have mo idea what b you are pitching
I built 3 43kwh lfp powerwalls, all 300amp output 840ah each! Guess what, it cost me under 100$ a kwh. Its getting mad cheap.
Wait til everyone wants to do what you did. And it's coming. Big time price increase and worldwide minerals constraints for solar manufacturing. And don't forget fossil energy creates this, which is peaking now.
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Drill, drill, drill.
@@mr.makeit4037solar? Lol wait until governments force every company to do battery tech. I think they said, that if the UK goes through with all electric by the 2035 date, they’d use the entire worlds supply…. Just the UK. Based on todays numbers. There’s no way these people are this dumb. Many of them are much smarter than me, yet I can clearly see it. So why are these things still happen? It makes no sense. Ignorance? Malice? Both?
@kissthesky40 did you know that incentives for drilling investments are going down because of the interests in new energy technologies. Ofcourse what society doesn't understand is that fossil energy is the driver of these new technologies in manufacturing .
Also here in Texas new drilling and fracking is so close to other existing wells that what's produced is less and of poor quality. Drilling in new areas also like the artic will prove to be extremely expensive and possibly not feasible in terms of energy return on investment.
Thanks, Ricky! I’m not offended by the title of your post. I’ve been wondering about this very issue. I clicked it first thing.
Glad to hear it! I changed it… Tesla fans can get so sensitive. I love this thing… but there’s a story here! Cheers Sir!
I thought I read they were using them on new builds somewhere. That seemed to be more economical for everyone in the long run.
I think an added advantage of a single slope is that it's easier to run the rainwater into a cistern for water collection.
The Texas grid would be just fine if we disconnect the windmills that do not put out reliable amounts of power and make it a slow process of firing up a natural gas power plant to take the load.
yeah simplicity is needed and the price as much as a small home in some states does not help
The tesla tiles and the clips on the back remind me of a automotive plastic panel ....similar clips
$150k would more than cover my electricity bill for over 100 years at current prices, and electricity is a lot more expensive than the US when I live. Even with the absolute shitshow that the Texas power grid has shown itself to be - who would have thought that running an essential service to maximize profit instead of maximising reliability could have downsides - having a solar roof when you'd get the same generation capacity and storage for a fraction of the price elsewhere is a modern version of 'tell me you're rich without saying you're rich'.
The urethane foam was not applied in a remotely uniform manner. The brief spray installation demonstration showed no attempt to fill the wall pocket corners first, and left a visible void at the bottom of the wall. . A good operator using application equipment like Grayco brand and 2 pound per cubic foot high lift foam can fill 2x6 wall cavities in 2 pases with a much smoother job.
That’s the attic an unconditioned space
Gees Rick you couldnt point out that the owner didnt want ro rely on ERCOT becuse Texas isnt part of the US grid they have their own privitized grid to totally not maximize profits.
Great intentional design. However, solar will not cover you entire energy usage during winter months unless you 3-5x the system size. Works great on high irradiance days but solar will not be a single source of off-grid power during all months of the year without drastically oversizing your system, defeating the ROI term.
What is the optimal roof tilt in the US mid-latitudes?
Rule of thumb is roof tilt optimally same as your latitude
How much are the panels themselves per square foot? It looks trivial to install oneself, and I wonder how much you could save.
Seems a bit silly to have a section of shed roof with zero penetrations just to say you have a solar roof. You still need "normal" roofing for the plumbing vents and other roof penetrations necessary on any home. Why not just build a carport with conventional panels? You'll get the same warm fuzzy from knowing you're going green, and you don't have to design your entire house around a finicky roofing system.
Great video. Kind of an inaccurate title for the positive review... Ricky makes some very important points: the best roof is one flat plane, angled to the south, with no vents poking through. Stop making home roofs that are shaped like two origami swans mating! The modern style designs look better than the McMansion style that seems to be the only thing big housing developers can do. I would love to see Tesla take there solar products to the next level: a modular roof panel that has everything: structural roof, insulation, glass solar tiles, power wall inside the panel. These should be big panels, maybe four would cover the entire house. A truck shows up with four panels, a crane places them on top of the walls, plug the connectors into the house wiring - done.
why not usimg the hot Air for a Heatpump?
So you generate a Airstream that cooling the Roof abd your Heatpump have more Effizienz.
I never thought Two Bit... would go the click-bait route.
If you fully bundle and get the largest system to knock down your bill to the best price per watt, it is $2.10 per watt. Otherwise it is $4.65 per watt.
If I go to signaturesolar and get panels they will cost $0.25 per watt.
The semi-premium inverters are $0.25 per watt.
Solar is much easier to justify if you are not over paying for your hardware by 4x to 20x.
Hardly "an epic failure"...!
Your Videos are always great.
Ricky, did the quoted cost reflect the 30% IRA deduction?
$120k for a monster sized durable roof + 17kwh solar + 4(!) Tesla PW battery storage is compelling for Premium homes.
that tree in the front is going to be an issue when it grows another foot or 2
Random question to who may know... This might be a dumb question, I might be a little confused ha Say you have well water: the submersible pump brings it to the pressure tank, pressure tank through the filters you have/need, then the cold water is ready for use. There's a line that diverts off to the hot water heater and the cold water heads down the dip tube and heats up, so far correct? the question is the hot water in the water heater still pressurized by the pressure tank or is there some sort of pump that the heater has?
Not that I am aware of. The pump pressure is what delivers water to the whole house. Now you can buy another pump to up the pressure ,between the pressure tank and your home. Hope this helps.
Typically the pressure tank provides the motive pressure for the whole home. It 'pushes' the hot water through the water heater to your taps as well as the cold water directly from the pressure tank to your taps. Hope this helps.
One of the issues here is that builders and the home construction industry at large are not exactly forward thinking.
Show me the money remains the only motivator and on their own, they will not budge from what they are familiar with.
The only way to change that is through major incentives and get critical mass so that competition shakes the tree!
Last time I checked, these tiles are really inexpensive and could be incorporated in the actual roof, given their specs and this only shows how backward and inept the whole industry is in the US.
I'm hoping to build a house and would love to have a Tesla roof on it.
Advice please. I need 15kwh a day to power for power outages that can last from a couple hours to a few days. I'm in Michigan so my solar hours is 4.48, 1,278 Kwh per 1Kw, says need 4.24 Kwh array
I'm looking at a 400w, 36v panel, says output DC 39V, 10.25a max, transfer efficiency greater or equal to 21%
A MPPT Charge controller of 100a, says 12/24/36/48v Auto, Max Input 100v. Max charging current 100a. Max Input volts of panels should be 30v-45v (for 24v battery). Max Input power of panels should be 2000w. Output voltage DC5v/1.5a
Inverter of 4000w/8000w Peak, Pure Sine Wave Power Inverter, DC24v-AC110
And Battery is LiTime 24v 100Ah, LifeP04 Lithium Ion, Build-in 100a BMS, 2,560 Wh Energy. Up to 4P2S (don't know what that means) 48v battery 400Ah of 20.48 Kwh
It's only 1000sq' apartment, 2bd/2ba. Old Kenmore Fridge, elec range, micro, dishwasher (which I'd forgo during an outage), a couple computers and tvs, wifi, lights, a mini-fridge, that's about it. No washer/dryer and if I did use my hair dryer, it's 5 mins or less, but I don't use it every day (and my housemate is bald). For obvs. reasons I wanna keep the heat on and the fridge. We'd unplug things we don't need for a few days, but I'll stick with what we've averaged over the last year anyway just to be safe at the 15Kwh a day.
Am I on the right track here? Too much, too little, just right? Any part of this not work with another or could be downgraded or done better/easier/cheaper? Any part of it I don't need? Anything I do that's not here? Thanks for your time!
Is the homeowner using propane for HVAC? or just for the generators. You mentioned two propane tanks in the video
You'd be shocked how fast a good-sized standby generator will go through propane.
Think of combining a passive solar greenhouse as a basement with a building above it with solar roof tiles. Electricity and heat all year round.
Lots of problems with blown foam insulation.
mold, rot, gas off, lack of breathing in general. I could go on but I won't, lol
IMO, a single plane roof with no protrusion is actual ideal for regular solar panels. The panels can be installed in the exact center of the roof to enhance the aesthetics. The fact that it would be much less expensive just makes it a no-brainer to me.
I literally got a promotional email from Tesla on solar roofs YESTERDAY!
Looks like they're still willing to take reservations/money for the promise of future solutions.
Location, location, location. Being in California really helps but please don't consider a move here, you wouldn't like it ... :-)
What are other countries doing that is different from the approach in the USA?
I’ll “challenge the argument” that this video title is not representative of the video, but we could have already anticipated that by the clickbait title, “here’s why”.
Solar panels should be built at different angles for different latitudes, all flat, with water cooling/hot water heating as one. So, rooves first, then build beneath them. Of course, building the roof would be in a factory, BIG panels, so build delivery trailers that can lean them over to pass low bridges or make the factories movable to build an entire subdivision, pre-insulated at the factory, pre-wired at the factory, pre-piped for hot water at the factory, modular. Making solar shingles is suboptimal.
In a statement of irony, he said Texans value their independence an was critical of their grid. Texas is almost unique in that the state insists in having its own grid as opposed to regional ones that are common in this country. Grid interchange and balancing are not available with that approach
Is a 9/12 pitch too steep for a solar roof? What is ideal pitch/degree?
I would supply your latitude if you want a good answer to this question.
It’s worth noting the cost of a regular roof in the math bc the Tesla roof saves you the cost of a roof as well! Great vid!
LMAO, "lets take a stroll on our solar panels, don't worry about microcracks or stress fractures"
17kw is not going to be enough in winter, he will be lucky to get 10% production in winter, and remember the days are shorter.
I have solar, had it for several years, love it but you need to know its limitations.
A $50,000 premium is way too much! It's been these several years and costs haven't come down. Solar glass roof looks to be a rich person's toy. The solar shingles by GAF seem to be more cost-efficient.
regardless of that one mistake I see is the self-imposed requirement to cover the entire roof with glass shingles. why not just simply put rectangle blocks of solar shingles on the roof to generate power and integrate them with matching regular shingles on all the other quirky roof surfaces?
Please take a look at GAF and other solar roof products. Still, I would LOVE a Tesla Roof, but my house isn't reasonable for it. We need Retrofit roofs too!
The GAF product isn’t good and I’d recommend against it. They had a big recall or something.
Do your research on GAF before making a huge mistake like many have already…
For a moment I almost thought Ricky was moving. 😂
The information about how roofing works is wrong. The shingles are the primary layer of protection from water. The underlayment protects the roof from shingles lost from storm damage, lack of maintenance, and ice dams.
Well, if you can and want to remodel your roof to be designed to all face south, like Lou’s house; why not? It might be expensive initially, BUT being energy independent is priceless. Yes, I’m from Texas. Yes, we did go through the snowpocalypse. It was three days with no power. Worst experience of my life. No heat, food went bad, no burst water lines, but it was pretty ugly. How much would a person be willing to to pay to not experience that again? 🤔