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    The story of Group B, the most insanely dangerous racing series ever known to man. There were virtually no restrictions and the series produced some of the most crazy race cars ever. Group B was so dangerous that it only lasted four seasons before it was abruptly cancelled after a number of crashes resulting in driver and fan fatalities.
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  • @KomboAndy
    @KomboAndy Před 3 lety +2468

    How to drive rally:
    Step 1: Start your engine.
    Step 2: Accelerate properly.
    Step 3: Pray.

  • @patricklynch9574
    @patricklynch9574 Před 4 lety +1239

    "They are only bushes to us-only trees; if we think these are people, we cannot drive” - Walter Röhrl

    • @jamelpiclit3062
      @jamelpiclit3062 Před 2 lety +43

      "-driving between soft trees-"

    • @Mewingisgood1
      @Mewingisgood1 Před 2 lety +14

      trees that jum and run

    • @zacharyarchbold4097
      @zacharyarchbold4097 Před rokem +6

      @@Mewingisgood1 trees that go SPLAT

    • @DeltaKT
      @DeltaKT Před rokem +4

      @@zacharyarchbold4097 trees that went splat in portugal 💀

    • @detonater1348
      @detonater1348 Před rokem +3

      Earlier times ppl gave it to u to the face, imagine if any racer said anything similar now…CaNcEl lol
      love how he said he viewed pedestrians like bushes

  • @Cliffjumper
    @Cliffjumper Před 5 lety +2908

    Group B was the "Pod Racing" of Earth...

  • @hyperx72
    @hyperx72 Před 5 lety +2489

    *Plays some dirt, tries out the Group B cars. Is halfway into 3rd gear at just the tap of a pedal. Slamming into walls and flying off cliffs seconds later.*
    Wtf are these cars?

    • @Benny---
      @Benny--- Před 5 lety +399

      They're barely controllable death machines, that's what they are.

    • @wakeup2theNWO
      @wakeup2theNWO Před 5 lety +92

      Haha that was literally me last night the Greece stafes with the cliffs are impossible to complete

    • @carlos2004
      @carlos2004 Před 5 lety +138

      I'm still confused as to why they're available for so cheap in Dirt. They're basically the hardest difficulty in the game, yet they are just about the cheapest AWD rally cars. I had no idea since this is my first racing game and totaled the car in 4 out of the 6 events.
      Funny enough, I then bought the R4 cars right after ranking group B, and the change was so drastic the R4 cars felt super boring.

    • @hakont.4960
      @hakont.4960 Před 5 lety +180

      @@carlos2004 Well, group B cars are basically just an engine and drivetrain with a plastic cover and two seats bolted on, not much luxury to drive up the price.

    • @harleydanforth5986
      @harleydanforth5986 Před 5 lety +32

      @@carlos2004 the cars werent really too expensive to start out with..... It was once the evolution models came out that they got expensive

  • @TamanLinkin
    @TamanLinkin Před 6 lety +5603

    that time when even a spectator need balls.

    • @wintersnell8395
      @wintersnell8395 Před 5 lety +103

      Come to think of it, Baja 1000 and group B fans are both crazy

    • @themechanix2311
      @themechanix2311 Před 5 lety +41

      speeding freeze hitting spectators is a sport onto itself

    • @VisualFeast7557
      @VisualFeast7557 Před 5 lety +55

      That time, when everyone had balls, not pussies.

    • @operatorpsyduck2035
      @operatorpsyduck2035 Před 5 lety +1

      Lol 747 likes

    • @KaeptnBackfisch
      @KaeptnBackfisch Před 5 lety +11

      there will never be the sound of an turborestrictor whistling the hell outta its ports like the quattro did. Hell outta car!

  • @steezgeneral7715
    @steezgeneral7715 Před 6 lety +3246

    Fun fact the reason they found fingers in the cars was because people would try to touch the windows of the cars whilst they hurled past, because they often drove with open windows the fingers and hands would get sliced off

    • @speedhalo5428
      @speedhalo5428 Před 6 lety +310

      steez general. Okay so Group B fans love to do that is that so

    • @matthew_natividad
      @matthew_natividad Před 6 lety +419

      Well that's dumb

    • @doyboy7377
      @doyboy7377 Před 5 lety +755

      that would suck to be the driver like u would zoom past the crowd then all the sudden theres 2 hands and some fingers in your lap

    • @yokoreia
      @yokoreia Před 5 lety +87

      Ok, so thumbs to go up 👍

    • @Qlicky
      @Qlicky Před 5 lety +365

      Wow. To think something that goes 200+ kmh in your direction is not dangerous, and even go so far to try to touch it is simply beyond belief.

  • @smac919
    @smac919 Před 5 lety +1166

    We need an hour long documentary on Group B Rally hosted and narrated by Pumphrey.

  • @fallschrim3561
    @fallschrim3561 Před 5 lety +210

    "It was too beautiful and dangerous to exist in this world"
    Heh, the mustang behind James.
    Irony.

  • @alexveldhuis6004
    @alexveldhuis6004 Před 6 lety +1863

    The problem was not Group B per se, but primarily the issue of crowd control or indeed the complete lack of it. Drivers choose to do this work and are at least aware. I just fail to understand why you would want to stand well within range of these missiles.

    • @bman12three43
      @bman12three43 Před 6 lety +212

      you are suicidal if you want to drive Group B, but yeah you'd be suicidal to watch it too.

    • @nickadam2964
      @nickadam2964 Před 6 lety +81

      But but but I wanna touch it😢

    • @MrBenHart
      @MrBenHart Před 6 lety +84

      It reminds me of the running of the bulls.

    • @keeperofeurobeat8421
      @keeperofeurobeat8421 Před 6 lety +80

      Because all the cells that were supposed to make up their brain became testicle tissue.

    • @buddyjesus1000
      @buddyjesus1000 Před 6 lety +24

      This this this. Boxers know the risk when they get in the ring as do racing drivers. On a side note of the safety people put in to all sorts of vehicles I watched a video of a guy on a scooter crash at 10/15 mph and die right there.

  • @Kxji
    @Kxji Před 6 lety +3085

    Damn the Group B was bat shit crazy.

    • @hybridAbsol
      @hybridAbsol Před 6 lety +28

      Koji Takata Group A , B and S are for real men , group C are for pusies

    • @shelbybut7562
      @shelbybut7562 Před 6 lety +25

      WRC for boy.real rally race must be Group B

    • @zachtimms04
      @zachtimms04 Před 6 lety +5

      Can someone tell him that rover didn't make the 6r4 MG did

    • @dirtslider1997
      @dirtslider1997 Před 6 lety +14

      Your Stew MG and Rover are the same shit

    • @heamees4822
      @heamees4822 Před 6 lety +32

      Shelby But Group B was definitely handful compared to today cars, but stop with the shittalk. You couldn't probably handle a Super 1600 car

  • @flex9696
    @flex9696 Před 5 lety +371

    Imagine if Group B happened in the 90's. Mitsubishi and Subaru Group B cars

    • @matthew_natividad
      @matthew_natividad Před 4 lety +19

      Naranciat that would be intense

    • @stefanos6505
      @stefanos6505 Před 3 lety +27

      I need a time machine

    • @MrGembelo
      @MrGembelo Před 3 lety +54

      Mitsubishi had group b car but before the development finished, group b was banned.

    • @javieralfocea1014
      @javieralfocea1014 Před 3 lety +6

      And toyota celica

    • @sambetts7958
      @sambetts7958 Před 3 lety +4

      Ohh yea group b Nissan Skyline gtr 4wd 800 phone twin turbo mayhem!

  • @4Nothing100
    @4Nothing100 Před 5 lety +465

    Someone invent a new group b that doesn't allow spectators but will allow drone to fly along to the car to livestream the race

    • @krauseehre5626
      @krauseehre5626 Před 5 lety +116

      build a spectator drone that can go 200kmh through a fucking forest lmao

    • @CoolPsyco
      @CoolPsyco Před 4 lety +18

      @@royce536 the fact that you know about the drones shows that you also read it too bro... ahahaha

    • @hugovilag
      @hugovilag Před 3 lety +6

      No drone could keep up with that beasts

    • @afcreative22
      @afcreative22 Před 3 lety +10

      Modern day WRC cars are just as exciting and waaaaaaay faster than group b

    • @salohcinolas4552
      @salohcinolas4552 Před 3 lety +15

      @@afcreative22 they just dont have that look or sound though in my opinion

  • @Nikke-nn5mn
    @Nikke-nn5mn Před 6 lety +2505

    Yo, let's make cars out of plastic, give them 500 horsepower and drive them in narrow dirt roads at 200 km/h
    *something goes wrong*
    Oh no, who could have seen that coming?

  • @Miragedude28
    @Miragedude28 Před 6 lety +249

    Group B is like the original Top Gear, never to be repeated.

    • @liverush24
      @liverush24 Před 6 lety +9

      Matthew botha Except on Dave, where it's always repeated.

    • @lucywucyyy
      @lucywucyyy Před 6 lety

      but only season 6

    • @skepticalbadger
      @skepticalbadger Před 6 lety +1

      Aloha Snackbar Oh yeah, Tiff and the gang were so much cooler than Clarkson Hammond and May ;)

    • @plymko900
      @plymko900 Před 5 lety

      Can't beat noel edmonds

  • @StewartEvans52
    @StewartEvans52 Před 5 lety +181

    R.I.P. Henri Toivonen,the greatest driver with the most talent that none really know about to this day,go watch henri's footage in a sunbeam 1980 rac,my first ever time i saw him with my own eyes,boy he could make that sunbeam dance,he was a joy to watch,id say our dear colin was nearly as good as henri he was that good

  • @jorgytotti8039
    @jorgytotti8039 Před 5 lety +484

    Up to Speed -----> Ayrton Senna.... Do it, please!!

    • @luiznricke909
      @luiznricke909 Před 5 lety +3

      Up mano

    • @diegoturo7396
      @diegoturo7396 Před 4 lety +49

      @meaturama wtf

    • @bellofrod
      @bellofrod Před 4 lety +37

      @meaturama bruh moment

    • @chidori7234
      @chidori7234 Před 4 lety +33

      @meaturama Legendary F1 driver. Whether you're an F1 fan or not, you should know that guy.

    • @jamesfzj2495
      @jamesfzj2495 Před 4 lety

      Definitely! , I remember watching the Senna film at like midnight when it was on at my mates, one of the only films I didn't fall asleep to

  • @shrimpoh4690
    @shrimpoh4690 Před 6 lety +203

    Group B
    B for badass

    • @Ms.Fowlbwahhh
      @Ms.Fowlbwahhh Před 6 lety +8

      Amirul Asyraf And the audience is retarded. I have 0 sympathy for any of the brain dead morons who stand next to the track and get hit.

    • @DevThomps
      @DevThomps Před 6 lety +2

      Devin Stambolziovski the dumbest are those who stand behind high speed or blind turns. It’s their fault we lost group b

    • @aidanirelan9423
      @aidanirelan9423 Před 6 lety +2

      "B". For "Bitch-ass NASCAR drivers".

    • @AlasdairGreig
      @AlasdairGreig Před 6 lety

      The lack of crowd control is what got group B cancelled
      Nowadays, any marshal can make the phone call to stop a stage because some dumb fuck won't move from a dangerous position, and spectator areas can be so far from the road that the drivers don't know they're there

  • @antonfotak2826
    @antonfotak2826 Před 6 lety +1096

    Group B feels like the deep dark history of rally car racing

    • @matthew_natividad
      @matthew_natividad Před 6 lety +12

      Oddball_Razor considering it's lax regulations shear forosicty of the events

    • @momoloco99rh
      @momoloco99rh Před 6 lety +61

      Oddball_Razor literally, Group B was SAVAGE

    • @farisan99
      @farisan99 Před 6 lety +81

      that was also the golden era of rally

    • @yeetusdeletus9
      @yeetusdeletus9 Před 5 lety +71

      @@farisan99 this was the golden era of most Motorsport. F1 cars were pushing over 1000 HP in qualifying and had little downforce making them essential giant go karts. Group b rally saw monsters flying through the woods just inches away from crowds on either side. DTM saw some of the most exciting, action packed races ever held on tarmac taking place. Ffs, if only I had a time machine

    • @HexYan
      @HexYan Před 5 lety +16

      Golden Era true. Fun races, but completely idiotic. Henri Toivonen dying in his burning car is not a wonderful thing or proud thing. @@yeetusdeletus9

  • @andrewmackemzie4565
    @andrewmackemzie4565 Před 3 lety +44

    "There's a certain beauty in the things that scare us."
    Still of the best episodes!

  • @69bock69
    @69bock69 Před 5 lety +358

    in 1986 a delta s4 drove a lap of a f1 track and would have qualified 6th that year. f1 speed through a forest!!! probably the greatest drivers of all time

    • @paulallen8109
      @paulallen8109 Před 5 lety +62

      It's a myth that has survived for way too long. Ayrton Senna did indeed test a Group B car but only on a dirt track and did NOT lap a F1 race track. While the Group B rally cars had up to 600hp in their last iterations (Audi S1 EvoII in 1986) the F1 cars had unrestricted turbo engines producing everything from 1100-1400 hp in qualifying trip in 1986. BMW's M10 engine was boosted up to 5,6 bars of boost (81psi) and produced 1400+ hp on the BMW dyno. There's no way a group B car could come anywhere near a F1 car at any racetrack. The F1 cars were also around 550kilos back in the mid 80's whereas even the lightest group B's were around 900 kilos.
      And the incredibly grippy tires and huge wings F1 used would make it obvious to anybody the Group B wouldn't stand a chance other than in a drag race up to 100km/h (60mph).

    • @zimutes
      @zimutes Před 5 lety +8

      That's a myth. But they did put the car in thr track. That Audi run happened at Estoril, Portugal (the dates of both events at the time - F1 GP and Rally Portugal - were relatively close).

    • @matthew_natividad
      @matthew_natividad Před 3 lety

      On dirt right

    • @zeyzerx3722
      @zeyzerx3722 Před 2 lety

      As far as I know it would’ve qualified 6th on a wet F1 lap time? with the S4 still being ran on dry conditions.

    • @feliperc4805
      @feliperc4805 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@zimutes It's probably what Mikkola was talking about in an interview. They lapped the same course, but with dirt on it, and he was 4 seconds slower than F1s (that's batshit crazy).

  • @locky828
    @locky828 Před 6 lety +451

    1:14 - I wear them everyday
    1:20 - is not wearing said Movement watch

    • @HUEEY
      @HUEEY Před 5 lety

      Lmao but you don’t need to wear a watch all day to wear it every day. but THAT WAS FUNNY!

    • @HoseTheBeast
      @HoseTheBeast Před 4 lety +14

      Who really would wear a movement watch😭

  • @GR1MRACER
    @GR1MRACER Před 6 lety +527

    Ruined because *PEOPLE WONT STOP WALKING IN FRONT OF CARS ON THE TRACK*

    • @thegoose5294
      @thegoose5294 Před 6 lety +142

      Jeff Sine Hey, there's cars with tons of kinetic energy moving towards us! Let's stands on it's way! It's totally a great idea!

    • @w4397
      @w4397 Před 6 lety +49

      Seriously??? Even with nobody standing near the track, Group B rally stage could still killing all drivers and co-drivers because of the crazy amount of power that the drivers need to handle. If the car itself can't put all of the power down properly or the drivers could not maximize the potential of those machines, it's useless. I really love Group B rally, it really allows manufacturers to give everything that they got into a rally stage with less restrictions. But, after all that happened, it's just impossible to keep it exists until today. For us as the audiences, it's a huge fun. But, for the drivers etc, it's a very risky thing to do. Still, Group B rally will always be remembered as one of the best, most legendary, and most entertaining rally in the history of the motorsports

    • @bb-vf1hb
      @bb-vf1hb Před 6 lety +25

      Lmao true, I can’t understand the people that don’t even stand behind a tree or anything for that matter (aside from other spectators!). I want to one day watch a WRC race but I’d never stand in a vulnerable position.

    • @DominicDarrell
      @DominicDarrell Před 6 lety +34

      People lined the track, and even stood on the track, all trying to get pictures of the cars. They’d jump out of the way literally half a second off from being cut in half by those beasts of cars. Tons of people lined the outside of turns too, which is never a smart idea. I heard, and could be wrong, that the drivers were told not to stop if someone got in their way. That they had to keep going and finish the race no matter what. It was crazy and it’s so sad that it ended, but spectators ruined it for everyone else. In response to the above comment, the cars themselves had problems occasionally, but most of them were more than capable of putting the power down. It’s not the car that has the problems, it’s the driver. The drivers knew what they were getting in to, they don’t just send them out without any experience with the car. They willingly risked their life, they knew the risks. The spectators were the only main issue here

    • @JpKsr
      @JpKsr Před 6 lety +15

      You clearly have no idea of how CROWDED the Portuguese rallies were in the 80's. On any given stage, all the stage would be full of spectators from the start to the finish line. There was simple no room for everyone and people wanted to be as close as possible. Here in Portugal rally is just as big as football

  • @fatti5001
    @fatti5001 Před 4 lety +30

    R.I.P Henri, no-one will never know how good he could've been.
    Lepää rauhassa.

    • @weasel4669
      @weasel4669 Před 3 lety

      @Sparticus Booker in that case Jim Clark must not be that good.

    • @dennismuthai9234
      @dennismuthai9234 Před 3 lety +2

      @Sparticus Booker Actually, if you watch his last interview, Toivonen compained of having a flu and fever. Also, he talked of how fast the car was ( 0-100 km/hr in 2.1sec). Don't forget he had won or led his previous 4 rallies, before disaster happened. His wife as well said that Lancia banned Toivonen from withdrawing from any rally. I think he was such good

  • @timduncan2211
    @timduncan2211 Před rokem +5

    I'm here from the future! Been going back through some of these older videos, and I have to say, this might be James' best video. The sheer passion that he speaks with about group b is felt through out the video. We all know James has a great personality for this job, but man, when he has the emotion behind it as well its just incredible.

  • @bstegmedia
    @bstegmedia Před 6 lety +162

    These things did a 2 second 0-60 on DIRT

    • @Trilluminati95
      @Trilluminati95 Před 6 lety +57

      2 seconds or less in real life.

    • @jamesshives5679
      @jamesshives5679 Před 6 lety

      D Lol

    • @OwkeejGamers
      @OwkeejGamers Před 6 lety +23

      They did 0-100 in 2.5 seconds in the mud

    • @fabertastic6259
      @fabertastic6259 Před 5 lety

      For real though, before group b got banned Lancia developed the s4 with 1400FUCKINGHORSEPOWER, and according to them it managed 2.1 seconds to 100MP FUCKING H ON GRAVEL

  • @flyingevo6528
    @flyingevo6528 Před 6 lety +68

    *FINALLY. THIS VIDEO HAS COME*

  • @NilsJakobson
    @NilsJakobson Před 5 lety +15

    I cant watch those Group B videos without f*king tears in my eyes, that was a proper competition of talent, engineering, courage.. the most brutal and beautiful time in automotive history. Just think, Audi could launch their 5 cylinder iron block powered monster from 0 to 60 mph in 3 seconds.. on a f*king GRAVEL.. in 1986?! Isn't that just completely insane? I would literally shit myself if I had a chance to drive one. And that brutal noise these engines made, it rips my soul out. If they just had more safety regards spectators, maybe the whole group would not get banned and God knows what achievements would come out of this.. That was a brilliant time.

  • @Dave-ks9ig
    @Dave-ks9ig Před 5 lety +159

    GROUP 🅱️

  • @skiddy527
    @skiddy527 Před 6 lety +71

    Not gonna lie, If this guy gets removed or replaced this channel is gonna die.
    If you look at the uploads this series gets the most views and that is what keeps the channel alive

  • @lonewanderer3603
    @lonewanderer3603 Před 6 lety +164

    For some reason I can hear Jeremy Clarkson yelling POWERRRRRR

  • @13lueBomber
    @13lueBomber Před 5 lety +25

    #DonutMedia: Welp, I still can’t get enough of this series.

  • @sarahthomasson4675
    @sarahthomasson4675 Před 5 lety +121

    michelle mouton is my idol

  • @SOfilmable
    @SOfilmable Před 6 lety +159

    Seriously man, you deserve your Lambo. You are so entertaining, you're very enthusiastic and your humour is really funny as you do a lot of facial expressions and all ! Keep it up bro (yeah, I bro you, I don't give a s***) !! Thank you from all the car community !! Thumbs up so we show our appreciation guys !

  • @wellfuckyoumr
    @wellfuckyoumr Před 6 lety +86

    Andddd I’m gonna be late for work...

  • @robertovargas3205
    @robertovargas3205 Před 5 lety +4

    Wow, this video almost made me cry, one of the best videos I've ever seen. Raw power, Danger and Blood was shed in Group. Group B will live on our hearts.

  • @Janjo64
    @Janjo64 Před 3 lety +3

    I remember seeing this on FB a while ago, so happy I found it again. Subbed

  • @Travis-guy-247
    @Travis-guy-247 Před 6 lety +506

    It’s awesome to see Americans knowing and educating people about this sort of stuff, I love it! Little mistake at the beginning though: When you were talking about “Group A” as the era before Group B, what you’re actually talking about there is Group 4 (the days of the Fiat 131 Abarth, Lancia Stratos & Opel Ascona etc.) Group A actually came after Group B was banned in 1987 and included cars such as the Lancia Delta Integrale, Ford Sierra RS Cosworth and the Toyota Celica GT-FOUR. Great video though! Subscribed 🤙🏼

    • @Boa74
      @Boa74 Před 5 lety +2

      Exactly even if actually Group A and B came at the same time then B was banned and rallying was then for Groups A and N only. VW Golf and Opel Kadett FWD were Group A racing along with Group B.

    • @ziza1492
      @ziza1492 Před 4 lety

      opel manta 400

    • @peiper5744
      @peiper5744 Před 4 lety

      Subaru impreza 1995 group a car you forgot

    • @dominickvanorman7471
      @dominickvanorman7471 Před 4 lety +2

      he corrects it later when he talks about the audi quattro

    • @Travis-guy-247
      @Travis-guy-247 Před 3 lety +1

      @@peiper5744 Well yeah lol I wasn't listing every single Group A car under the sun, I just gave a few examples.

  • @blue7081
    @blue7081 Před 6 lety +45

    Time to cover up Pikes Peak now

  • @DelinquentDJ
    @DelinquentDJ Před 5 lety +41

    "Cheated death" LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE MY FRIEND

    • @ethant.presland7438
      @ethant.presland7438 Před 4 lety +16

      They were actually flirting with death at that point. No, correction... they were rounding 3rd bait and asking if death had any condoms.

    • @CyrusFisher619
      @CyrusFisher619 Před 3 lety +1

      Ethan T. Presland what

  • @rjallenbach1
    @rjallenbach1 Před 5 lety +1

    Dude you are the perfect commentator for this! You can seamlessly convey excitement, comedy, sadness and detailed information all in one video easily making the viewers fans of whatever your talking about.
    I came here for the Saab history video (just bought a ‘99 9-3) and now I’m subscribed 👌👌👌

  • @armourshooter5517
    @armourshooter5517 Před 6 lety +809

    OMG it's *Group B* !!! 😱 Thumbs Up Instantly

    • @brianwong7285
      @brianwong7285 Před 6 lety +10

      The famous quote on this category by Juha Kankkunen (who happened to be the last champion for Group B...) ?
      WRC is for boys; but Group B is for MEN.

    • @Dawwwg
      @Dawwwg Před 6 lety

      * *was* for men.

    • @maxleon4519
      @maxleon4519 Před 6 lety

      Armour Shooter I

    • @miguelrucoba
      @miguelrucoba Před 6 lety

      Dawwwg Online -also for alpha women.

    • @Dawwwg
      @Dawwwg Před 6 lety +1

      It was a quote misquoted, no politics involved, and Michèle Mouton was 'one of the guys' anyway :)

  • @leopolgermain2793
    @leopolgermain2793 Před 6 lety +428

    7:51 wait so you're telling me Gucci is into rally?! Look on the front fender

    • @3lrancho
      @3lrancho Před 6 lety +40

      Girls Reject me you see pirelli? Italian companies we're dominant in racing during that period.

    • @mihneacireasa4613
      @mihneacireasa4613 Před 5 lety +20

      Gucci gang

    • @paveantelic7876
      @paveantelic7876 Před 5 lety +7

      gucci mane should buy that car

    • @JoMiMi_h
      @JoMiMi_h Před 5 lety +3

      @@3lrancho r/facepalm

    • @yobrethren
      @yobrethren Před 5 lety +1

      I mean, why not? :P

  • @jimmsupreme
    @jimmsupreme Před 3 lety +4

    Love your stuff, including the podcast on Group B's Michele and their Lancia vs. Audi rivalry.
    However, I'd love to hear James tackle the friction between the racers and the FIA following the Portuguese Rally incident with Santos crashing into and fatally injuring fans.
    At the core of the Group B's final year was essentially a labor dispute, one that was so frantically challenged and straddled by both Lancia and the FIA, it lead to Toninoven's death. His quotes alone at the Tour de Corse had him basically acknowledging that he was probably going to die, driving while having the flu and having periodic blackouts.
    I love Group B, but that is a very important storyline in it all.

  • @dachandewuffsteiger
    @dachandewuffsteiger Před 4 lety +36

    Anyone else here for a quick history refresh after Cosworth?

  • @alexjoseixas
    @alexjoseixas Před 6 lety +38

    Funny story about group B:
    last time there was a group B rally stage in Portugal (the place of the RS200 Crash) the lancia team "reportadly" went to the circuit of Estoril (near Sintra) to tune their rally cars. the fastest lancia did a fast enough time arround the tarmac circuit that it would place 6th in the same track's F1 GP

    • @IAMJAKETRIMBLE
      @IAMJAKETRIMBLE Před 6 lety +1

      Alexandre Seixas I want to believe this but your "spelling" concerns me.

    • @mitchiegxxr350
      @mitchiegxxr350 Před 6 lety +2

      think its true, read this before

    • @paulcaswell2813
      @paulcaswell2813 Před 6 lety

      And the driver that did it was none other than the great Henri himself...

  • @geluix69
    @geluix69 Před 6 lety +302

    2018 WRC cars are actually quite a bit faster than any Group B car, but what makes group B so special even till this day is the cheer visceral savagery the cars had, ask walter Rohrl.
    They were renowned to be extremely hard to drive and quite terrifying even for the champs to master.

    • @McLarenMercedes
      @McLarenMercedes Před 5 lety +63

      True, bear in mind they had no advanced computer simulation programs back in the 80's and really pushed the envelope of 80's technology. Performance took a giant leap at this time. The chassis, suspension, brakes and tires of the time couldn't cope with the insane power outputs of Group B cars and astute engineers and drivers had to find the best way to address that. There was no advanced computer telemetry either so real drivers had to be able to convey to the engineers what the cars handled like and what to improve. They were literally in uncharted waters back then and it really was up to the driver to explore the limits of the cars.

    • @deggis4
      @deggis4 Před 5 lety +42

      When Group A was introduced, there was an initial drop in average speeds, but by already by the end of 80s the cars were faster and have been faster ever since. This can be proven by comparing average stage times from a handful of stages that were run in consecutive years and changed very little.
      The current (post-2017) WRC are not just faster than Group B, they are also most likely the fastest rally cars ever.

    • @TomDeWeerdt1
      @TomDeWeerdt1 Před 5 lety +5

      @@deggis4 Ah, someone with some sense

    • @thejay8963
      @thejay8963 Před 5 lety +21

      If group B existed today, the cars coming from it would match in performance with Huracan and 458 likely. Imagine it, a Focus beating a Lamborghini in anything!

    • @woopimagpie
      @woopimagpie Před 5 lety +14

      @@deggis4 So nice to see someone else making this point. I've had this argument so many times on Group B videos with people who think Group B was the be-all and end-all. Many folks simply refuse to accept that the WRC cars could be faster, even when presented with evidence.

  • @SimulatedMindset89
    @SimulatedMindset89 Před 5 lety

    Love the vids man. I watch em religiously 😆😆😆. Thanks guys!!!!! U deserve every bit of success..👍🏼👍🏼

  • @Osai1234
    @Osai1234 Před 3 lety +2

    i love your straightforward and comedic aggression towards this topic of conversation😂😂😂😂 keep up the good content brother!

  • @heamees4822
    @heamees4822 Před 6 lety +89

    These spectators are Mustangs wet dream

  • @draneel009
    @draneel009 Před 6 lety +79

    Everything you need to know.. up to speed.. JAMES's DAD.

  • @danysaschaja
    @danysaschaja Před 10 měsíci

    Can't stop watching this channel's videos. Thanks!

  • @kursed_aegis
    @kursed_aegis Před 3 lety +5

    Freakin made me tear up towards the end by how descriptive he was love this guy donuts amazing

  • @GrandTour86
    @GrandTour86 Před 6 lety +237

    Up to speed
    Cosworth or //AMG

    • @youngroosevelt38
      @youngroosevelt38 Před 6 lety

      NOBED_ 86 Good choice

    • @VixzenMusic
      @VixzenMusic Před 6 lety +3

      PLEASE. Cosworth and AMG. Two of the best.

    • @xyrex5243
      @xyrex5243 Před 6 lety

      AMG would be a killer video. I'd like to see more about the house of the Hammer.

  • @Fredeamusic
    @Fredeamusic Před 6 lety +297

    Hey!
    I'm from portugal and live near Sintra were the rally stages were, and to this day you still hear the stories about that crash.
    I just have one thing to say about that.. one who walks on the rain, gets wet. (that's a portuguese saying btw)
    no one told those people to be there to watch the races, of course there was a lack of security and safety features on the circuits at that time, but you don't need to be a genious to know if someone goes off, the car will probably hit you!
    and if you see videos from that time, people whould line up after a jump to see the cars fly over them.

    • @Hexthrill
      @Hexthrill Před 5 lety +11

      I live in Lisbon, I go up to Serra de Sintra all the time to drive there, such a fun mountain pass! É pena grande parte da serra ter ardido :/

    • @Hexthrill
      @Hexthrill Před 5 lety +3

      @@eduardosampoia5480 Confere.

    • @eduardosampoia5480
      @eduardosampoia5480 Před 5 lety +5

      @@Hexthrill No need to confer...take my word

    • @ricardofilipe9494
      @ricardofilipe9494 Před 5 lety +1

      @@Hexthrill aonde é que a serra ardeu? Que eu me lembro o último grande incêndio foi em 1988...o primeiro em 1966...e o assisti a mtos ralis na serra... Inclusive a passagem dos carros do grupo b

  • @ZachyStugotz
    @ZachyStugotz Před 6 lety

    Fantastic stuff, never knew about Group B before. Fascinating story. Thanks!

  • @Specific0ceanblue
    @Specific0ceanblue Před 2 lety +5

    This was uploaded 3 years ago would absolutely love more rally car content from y’all! It’s badass, exciting, and honestly surprised there isn’t more rally content since y’all are in dirt 5 so it’s like perfectly set up 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

  • @TropicalGarage
    @TropicalGarage Před 6 lety +82

    Wait every week for this show

  • @cyjan3k823
    @cyjan3k823 Před 6 lety +205

    I wonder how fast would be Group B And F1 today.
    By F1 i mean times when you could put as huge turbo as you want, use a lot of engines, rev them to 20k And refuel it. With slick tires
    In grup B we could just add some security to keep stupid people outside a track
    stupid people that want to touch a car destroy everything again

    • @TonyEG6
      @TonyEG6 Před 6 lety +17

      Krzysztof Dolecki if f1 didn't change regulations since the 80s I reckon the cars today would easily be 10 seconds faster a lap then the current 2017 cars. Peak g force in cornering probably 7.5 and top speeds of 400+ easily. Imagine a car with 1500hp and weighing 600kg with extreme downforce and ground effects as well as advanced modern slicks extra wide.

    • @penzlic
      @penzlic Před 6 lety +18

      once i read that Lancia S4 (turbo AND supercharged 1,8L) driven on tarmac, had lap time to qualify in second or third row in F1 championship of that era.

    • @Ginkoman2
      @Ginkoman2 Před 6 lety +10

      in the porsche museum is a f1 car that made 1800hp with a 1.8l v6. it was raw power, but you had the peplace the engine after every race

    • @fakename287
      @fakename287 Před 6 lety +6

      Tony Badivuk Top speed of 400+mph???
      The laws of physics think otherwise, good luck getting ~350+ with rubber tires without centripetal force ripping them apart

    • @joseftichy5877
      @joseftichy5877 Před 6 lety +1

      Well, there was that one formula with giant fan generating a lot of downforce, but one of the problems was that the cornering G's were just too much on the driver.
      Brabham BT46, I think it was that.
      I think that people could easily build faster cars, but there is just limit to the human body.

  • @ulfdanielsen6009
    @ulfdanielsen6009 Před 5 lety +86

    Nothing.
    Nothing.
    NOTHING compares to Group B.
    No F1.
    No Nascar.
    No Funny Car or Top Fuel Dragster.
    No modern day WRC.
    NOTHING.
    Nothing compares to the insane death defying all out ballsy awesomeness that was Group B.
    Nothing.
    Nothing.
    Nothing.

    • @da_korn_4052
      @da_korn_4052 Před 5 lety +26

      Isle of man tt

    • @ijaysd6822
      @ijaysd6822 Před 5 lety +3

      Drunk guys foot racing is just as entertaining as Group B.

    • @juliusvalve1178
      @juliusvalve1178 Před 4 lety +2

      Finnish mökkitie with moms car

    • @lightningmcdweeb
      @lightningmcdweeb Před 4 lety

      nothing
      nothing
      nothing
      - carson clay

    • @penzlic
      @penzlic Před 4 lety +4

      Obvously you have no idea about 1500hp, 1,5 liter turbocharged F1 monstrocities from eary 80's, that shit was as equally dangerous as Group B IMHO

  • @thelorryist551
    @thelorryist551 Před 4 lety

    This is one of the best car videos on the internet. Pumphrey clearly loves the subject, and you can feel it. The editing, clip choice, and information are spot on. Superb video, thank you Donut Media.

  • @Romeo_O_M
    @Romeo_O_M Před 6 lety +83

    thankyou very much for doing this video reminding us about the good old days

  • @KG_BM
    @KG_BM Před 6 lety +1186

    Ill watch the history of nascar at this point lol

    • @harrimat100
      @harrimat100 Před 6 lety +35

      LIKAB055 Moonshine runners running in supped up Hudson Hornets.

    • @cyjan3k823
      @cyjan3k823 Před 6 lety +23

      This series is so good that indy car, And nascar would still be good videos

    • @Donut
      @Donut  Před 6 lety +152

      NASCAR has a crazy history. We could probably almost do a whole series on it

    • @theejoeylee
      @theejoeylee Před 6 lety +18

      DO IT FOR DALE !

    • @KKM13200
      @KKM13200 Před 6 lety +4

      Ill watch them all if its you guys that do it.

  • @psaltiveri
    @psaltiveri Před 3 lety +1

    James, I have a 6 year old kid and this is one of the first videos of rallying I showed him, you are a legend, please never stop, keep rolling and inspiring.

  • @StreetWarrior24
    @StreetWarrior24 Před 5 lety

    What an amazing video. Good job. I really enjoyed it.

  • @ArmandoVictorForno
    @ArmandoVictorForno Před 6 lety +277

    I seriously get goosebumps when I see or hear the Delta S4. The tragic fact is that Lancia, which won 11 world rally titles over the decades, is now slowly dying because of poor decisions made by shit business men.

    • @IlRovina
      @IlRovina Před 6 lety +11

      Armando Forno ...actually mainly because of poor sales even in those glorious days.

    • @vimvim160
      @vimvim160 Před 6 lety +2

      No thank you I don't really like Alpha Romeo

    • @winger123plays7
      @winger123plays7 Před 6 lety +3

      Armando Forno they made a huge mistake which killed both driver and co driver which was fucking not using a safer fuel tank even risking more heavier car

    • @arne_mh
      @arne_mh Před 6 lety +2

      Mäkirannantörmä alfa romeo WILL survive, they still belong to fiat but if it doesnt go wel theyll probably just go back to fiat chassis. Theve done that before and still made fun cars like 147 gta

    • @justincredible5414
      @justincredible5414 Před 6 lety

      winger123 plays 2 drivers

  • @connordimaggio5908
    @connordimaggio5908 Před 6 lety +37

    R.I.P. Toivonen. And Michèle Mouton is BAE. Mad respect to these drivers, fearless and truly committed to their sport.

  • @larsrahnefeld6354
    @larsrahnefeld6354 Před 3 lety

    Very nice speach there, big fan meanwhile, thx and keep up the great job, kind regards

  • @reneroux2391
    @reneroux2391 Před 5 lety +1

    I have watched this video so many times can’t get enough of group B

  • @gullit97
    @gullit97 Před 6 lety +54

    "I wear it every day" - Doesn't wear a watch in the rest of the video.

  • @olov244
    @olov244 Před 6 lety +106

    5:58 how can you mention that without saying how they got there - from people touching the cars as they sped by at full race speed - that's how close people were to the cars - they could reach out and touch them
    do f1 the killer years

    • @nateletkeman3558
      @nateletkeman3558 Před 6 lety +2

      actually? like fans severed fingers?

    • @olov244
      @olov244 Před 6 lety +14

      really, that's what people said back then. people would touch the car as it went by, sometimes getting wedged in the panel gaps/etc and it would rip it clean off

    • @eLMushi_NYC
      @eLMushi_NYC Před 6 lety +2

      Thanks didn't understand what he meant with that line. Crazy!

    • @letsgo_inc
      @letsgo_inc Před 6 lety +2

      I mean, there was a recent viral vid of current rally fans lying in a ditch on the inside of a blind corner...

    • @shira_yone
      @shira_yone Před 6 lety

      dudeinc10 link?

  • @HFIntegrale
    @HFIntegrale Před 5 lety

    Dude, you're a genius. VERY entertaining. Thanks!

  • @dave_s_vids
    @dave_s_vids Před 4 lety +1

    Big respect for keeping this one down to earth in memory of those who lost their lives spectating and competing in a sport they loved.

  • @jakewolfe8831
    @jakewolfe8831 Před 6 lety +45

    A History of Drifting - Everything you Need to Know | Up to Speed
    #itstartedinjapan

  • @rucarnuts13
    @rucarnuts13 Před 6 lety +48

    Do an Everything You Need to Know on Group C Racing next!
    The Group B of Le Mans!

  • @warriormonx
    @warriormonx Před 5 lety +1

    Honestly, one of Donuts best bits of work. Crazy good.

  • @SuperDracula1992
    @SuperDracula1992 Před 6 lety

    amazing chanel, tnx for your videos

  • @earthlingtheaaron21
    @earthlingtheaaron21 Před 6 lety +22

    dropped everything when I saw this!

    • @aimanazrie8944
      @aimanazrie8944 Před 6 lety

      Aaron Robinson I was studying and then I saw this video uploaded. Can't be happier than this

  • @mrl-oo2cm
    @mrl-oo2cm Před 6 lety +7

    LMFAOO “Send me a dollar for a Lamborghini”😂😂 I fucking love this guy 😂💀

  • @cmark989
    @cmark989 Před 3 lety

    This is the first Donut Media video I've seen and afterwards I was hooked on Donut Videos. This is the 4th time re watching this one and still love it lol

    • @cmark989
      @cmark989 Před 3 lety

      5th time rewatching lol

  • @sincere35s93
    @sincere35s93 Před 4 lety

    Which was the most dominant car? Amazing video btw. Best video on group b I’ve seen. 🙌🙌🙌

  • @jeffliu1653
    @jeffliu1653 Před 6 lety +14

    You're my new top gear.

  • @Labergemusic
    @Labergemusic Před 6 lety +8

    YOU DID IT! No one beyond the film "Too fast to race" has done a nice job of describing why Group B was arguably the best motorsport of all time, whilst being the craziest too. And in only 11 minutes!!

  • @mandrillsass5687
    @mandrillsass5687 Před 2 lety

    Great video, i knew nothing of this beautiful insanity

  • @retardray5701
    @retardray5701 Před 5 lety +2

    I really love these videos! However, the predecessor of Group B as a top class of rallying was in fact Group 4. If I remember right, Gr. 4 required a car that had a minimum of 400 units produced, but otherwise it was pretty close to Group B. So the birth of the supercar era in rallying was more because of huge steps in technology at the time (4WD, turbochargers) and increasing budgets which led to more manufacturers developing new cars from scratch just to get the fastest possible rally car. A good example is Lancia's mid-engined Stratos, which was specifically developed for racing already in the early 70's - and the Audi Quattro was initially a Group 4 car too, as told in the video.

  • @user-om4se7xu2l
    @user-om4se7xu2l Před 6 lety +38

    "i wear my watch everyday!"
    *continues the video with none*

  • @ianross8083
    @ianross8083 Před 6 lety +129

    Up to speed on the Pontiac GTO? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    EDIT: Or the Mitsubishi. Fuck it

    • @bavarianbanshee
      @bavarianbanshee Před 6 lety +2

      Yeah, the 288 GTO needs an episode ASAP.
      ;)

    • @hondamanvtec2894
      @hondamanvtec2894 Před 6 lety +2

      Ian Ross mitsubishi gto is the underground king

    • @ianross8083
      @ianross8083 Před 6 lety +1

      Or maybe Pontiac? “Here come da Judge”

    • @LukeTaylor
      @LukeTaylor Před 6 lety +1

      Ian Ross g
      The 3000GT oh yeah great idea 🤜🏻🤛🏻

    • @Milesamanjaro
      @Milesamanjaro Před 6 lety +1

      Oh the Dodge Stealth, you say?

  • @rodmaknouni
    @rodmaknouni Před 5 měsíci

    Last March I was driving to Corte from the Golo Gorge. Totally forgot about the Tour de Corse before I passed by the exact spot where Toivonen and Cresto crashed, there’s a memorial there. Dampened the mood of an otherwise glorious drive, god bless his soul.

  • @ashleymalzard2865
    @ashleymalzard2865 Před 4 lety +1

    This is the video that introduced me to Donut. Never looked back

  • @Voskaridis
    @Voskaridis Před 6 lety +566

    Le mans?

    • @ZerpsT
      @ZerpsT Před 6 lety +22

      Le woman?
      Damn he edited it, my joke is ruined.

    • @oldgergg
      @oldgergg Před 6 lety

      Βig Smοke yes please

    • @oldgergg
      @oldgergg Před 6 lety

      Alex's Collection nuh uh

    • @azypk
      @azypk Před 6 lety +1

      Wrong title, we need to see the Group C!

    • @MrSos2000
      @MrSos2000 Před 6 lety

      As a Fin I love groub b, but now that I have seen 2017 wrc cars at rally Finland, I think it is better now because they are so much faster and they fly more.

  • @lolusernames9194
    @lolusernames9194 Před 6 lety +10

    Group B was such a tragic story 😢

  • @finnkennedy2401
    @finnkennedy2401 Před 4 lety

    Favorite episode ever

  • @moosedawgatlantaproductions

    Holy shit! This video is amazing! You guys are awesome!

  • @youngroosevelt38
    @youngroosevelt38 Před 6 lety +246

    Hey! Funny ass Donut Media...Corvette? Up to speed? Please? I like all your vids. I'm subbed too 😘✌

    • @audeypabalate9959
      @audeypabalate9959 Před 6 lety +2

      Young Roosevelt good choice.

    • @liuses5gaming205
      @liuses5gaming205 Před 6 lety

      I would love to see a vette up to speed.

    • @TheMidnightBandit
      @TheMidnightBandit Před 6 lety

      That would actually be great, good idea!

    • @youngroosevelt38
      @youngroosevelt38 Před 6 lety

      Jason Wingate I'd think pretty big considering she's only been with black guys 😂😂😂 *ba dum tsst* I'm black by the way

    • @Lode422
      @Lode422 Před 6 lety +2

      Because the the story of Zora Arkus-Duntov needs to be told, man!

  • @Tha_Monsta88
    @Tha_Monsta88 Před 6 lety +45

    Love how he advertises his watch.. but isnt wearing it during the video... 🤔🤔🤔

    • @andrewloera5641
      @andrewloera5641 Před 6 lety +3

      Or wearing his wives

    • @hedlund88
      @hedlund88 Před 6 lety

      every youtuber ever '' i wear mine everyday'' but not a single watch is seen in any videos

  • @deusvult8544
    @deusvult8544 Před 6 měsíci

    Your breakdown of Group B is fantastic. Also, you’re well-spoken, almost poetic when you’re not trying to squeeze dad jokes in 😂
    Definite like and subscribe

  • @hugovilag
    @hugovilag Před 2 lety

    Watched it the very day it released. Still one of my favourites Up to Speed episodes ever.

  • @hybridAbsol
    @hybridAbsol Před 6 lety +59

    Group B rallycars are still allowed but only during special events , shamed that WRC never gave them a chance to shine :(

    • @BarschotGFX
      @BarschotGFX Před 6 lety +4

      In rally legend you can indeed

    • @hybridAbsol
      @hybridAbsol Před 6 lety

      SennaOnline thats wat i meant , Special Events

    • @sigmaprojects
      @sigmaprojects Před 6 lety +5

      Which means they're not pushing as hard because it's basically just an exhibition.

    • @hybridAbsol
      @hybridAbsol Před 6 lety

      Sigma Projects well they are driving on street circuits , so they barely got enough room to fly

    • @sigmaprojects
      @sigmaprojects Před 6 lety +1

      Yea, but now that it's paved hill climb records have improved a lot. It's just not the same, the tarmac really tamed it. I think it made it better for amateurs who want to do the climb.

  • @rapidshot3033
    @rapidshot3033 Před 6 lety +85

    LEGENDS GROUP B

  • @MLoms
    @MLoms Před 3 lety

    I love the writing here. Especially the summary.

  • @SuperMcgeezy
    @SuperMcgeezy Před 4 lety +1

    You guys should do an episode on all the homologated cars from group B. You could showcase which ones are still available and what they go for now. I’d watch it