Natalie Dormer on Game of Thrones, Season 8, and Margaery Tyrell | Oxford Union
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Natalie Dormer is a celebrated British actress. After her debut Cassanova, she went on to play roles such as Private Lorraine in Captain America and Cressida in The Hunger Games franchise. Her portrayal of Margaery Tyrell in Game of Thrones from 2012 to 2016 garnered significant critical acclaim. Her career, however, extends beyond screen, with her turn in Sweet Nothings and After Miss Julie at the Young Vic commanding praise, and in 2018 she co-wrote In Darkness.
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Natalie is one of the most cerebral actresses around. She's incredibly thoughtful in her responses and presents herself so well and eloquently. What a joy to listen to her.
It’s strange to have someone who wasn’t in Season 8 to comment on it.
She was amazing in her part. I loved how she “manipulated people”. She was always gentle and kind the way she guided people. She would always stand next to people and take their arm. She was physically saying “We are in this together, I’m right here at your side”.
It was such a brilliant way to guide people where she wanted them to go and depict that in each scene.
If you look at photos of Diana Rigg at the same age as Ms. Dormer they could be sisters.
Show Margaery was smarter than basically everyone else
Like she said, she got out at the perfect time. Margaery's arc really had no major issues with it, because most major issues came with the last 2 seasons.
The casting in the show was superbly done!!
@@jovetj The only weak casting was for secondary characters. 2 Bernice was noticeable. 3 Mountains was very noticeable. The last one was the best. I don’t know why they didn’t start with him.
Also I wasn’t overly impressed with Thoros. He wasn’t bad, but not great either.
The eyes of Natalie dormer is just mesmerizing
She is a damn beautiful woman, I swear I’ve had a crush on her for as long as I’ve been old enough to have crushes
Her lips is just mesmerizing. Her ears is, her nose are, her cheeks is, her chin are, etc.
She is one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen.
I love her honesty about the less than great bits. What a gem.
She has the most captivating and cute "smirk" face I've ever seen.
signature smirk
When she was hanging over the bed of the young new King, I kept thinking someone should have written the line "Can't you just stick around a bit longer".
She was about my age (27) in The Tudors, and that feels like just yesterday. Now she's 40 (and looks great!). Kinda freaks me out though, time is crazy like that.
nope she was 24 in the first season of the tudors (it was shot in 2006) and 25 in the second one (shot in 2007)
the most articulate and honest and essentially realistic answer as to what happened to season 8
No
Not really, she was basically just making excuses for D&D. I'm not blaming her for that mind you, just saying that "it's hard to keep shows going for 10+ years" is not good enough of an excuse for the train wreck that was GOT season 8.
@@renx81I dont think so. Its near impossibe to satisfy the majority without the books, she was right about that. And she said she was disapointed. And her arguments about the bussiness side of production are true too.
i never clicked so fast
Same
Prove it
Same here ( im late but fast)
Natalie is such a talented actress and so beautiful. She was amazing in The Tudors, Game of Thrones, Picnic at hanging Rock, Penny Dreadful and all her other projects. She is just great💕
She did a good female Moriarty, in Elementary.
Natalie Dormer is flawless 💖 She's so talented, beautiful, and so poised. Love watching her on the big screen and on television
I appreciate how fair and charitable she is with David and Dan. It would be easy for her to jump on the bandwagon and trash the show, but she understands how monumentally impossible the task of finishing the show without reference material was.
It's not a bandwagon. Season 8 is trash. Hell, even season 7 wasn't that great.
@@emusaurusyeah thanks for the insightful reply. Because that's what I wanted, to argue exact definitions on what wasn't even my main point.
Yeah what she says might apply generally but there is still a lot of gray area in between, like stages of failure you can end up with and different shades in how you disappoint and how many people you disappoint. There are many videos on CZcams in which people cleverly dissect what went wrong and sometimes even show what you could have done better, so even if it might have been hard to say goodbye to the show, it would have been with much more sense to it and with more respect for the actual characters and lore as it started out or what they are in the books. They butchered Jaime, they butchered Arya, they crippled Jon… ugh. D&D were just so overwhelmed by the job and incapable of doing it with respect and they chose to write it themselves nonetheless, even though they wanted to wrap up when HBO and GRRM would have go on and they could have given the job over to versed writers but their egos were too big. It’s a sad sad truth and they can be held accountable.
There were countless fan theories online guessing how the show would end, and 90% of them would have been better than season 8. D&D did a shockingly bad job at writing without source material, most amateurs could have done better.
@@Discordia5 if you think that, then you missed Natalie's entire point about how there are layers of opinions with D&D and the HBO executives. She's not so subtly implying that D&D's hands were tied.
There's no way that she's 40, does she even age?
a skilled makup artist, mot likely cosmetic surgery does the trick. rare occasion genetics.
@@dendrienshe also takes care of herself. Getting paid for how you look doesn't hurt either
You do know that 40 years old is young ?
@thanostsarbos1197 It's middle-aged. Some look late 20s, 30s at that age. Others look way older.
@@thanostsarbos1197and there’s others in their 40’s already looking 60 😵💫 Genetics, food, products, lifestyle (partying/smoking/drinking) and overall health can make age quicker than others.
She played one of the best characters that honestly was not given enough credit in the story
Totally, she and Olenna were kil**d just by the power of the script, if they would last to the final season they would have ended even with the crown of Westeros
D&D never should’ve been in the position to end this show. GRRM needed to finish he had 10 years to do so.
Agreed. D&D did a really great job at the adaptation until they ran out of source material. They added scenes that weren’t in the book. Like Cersei and Bobby B eating dinner.
@@alexandrostheodorou8387 D&D did not run out of source material. They chose not to adapt Book 4 and Book 5 because they thought they had better ideas
@@psych0536 Wait what? I thought when Jon Snow gets stabbed was the final book. Everything from when he gets revived is basically fanfic.
@@psych0536 That's not true. Book 4 & 5 are widely considered to be the weakest of the books, it meanders through the "plot" and introduces several new characters that have no discernible path forward. We are now FIVE years out from S8 and GRRM STILL hasn't completed the books. He hasn't released a main series book for THIRTEEN YEARS. If they'd adapted every last word they'd still have run out of source material. The difference would be that they now had an EVEN MORE COMPLICATED story to conclude.
@@Red1Green2Blue3thank you, people like pointing all fingers to D&D but GRRM should be as much accountable too..
One of the greatest scenes in Thrones was the whole set up for blowing up the sept, and Natalie was amazing in this scene. She's brilliant in everything, I've been a fan since her sublime portrayal of Anne Boleyn. How articulate is she in this interview.
She's right tbh Margery didn't have a pov chapter which is why reading the books wouldn't have helped her act better
Bariston selmy Actor read the books without having a pov chapter.
maybe it depends
It probably would have helped Margery in the books is a far more subtle manipulator while in the show it was too on the nose
@@luc7478 bariston have pov chapter
@@aishaaisha6626 shit you're right, I read the first 4 books.
he got some in Dance of Dragons
Rumour has it that Natalie went into acting after she failed to meet her offer to read history at Cambridge. If she had got into Cambridge, we probably would not be seeing her now. Well done Cambridge!
Well done Natalie!
😂 🤪
So basically the Tyrell’s were killed off because the writers didn’t know what to do with them, even though Natalie was happy to be out, I think I’d have liked her in another season and just see the Tyrell’s back out of the war altogether.
They could kill off Margaery but leave other Tyrells in the game, like Willas and Garlan but no, they wanted to do the Star Wars
That’s what they did what the dorne subplot. Just kill everyone involved lol
They probably saw the Great Sept of Baelor moment as "so many contracts ending in one stone, hurray!" and also one step closer to writing a dumb and simplifiable end to the series so they can focus on Star Wars.
They could have introduced her Redwyn cousins after the Tyrells were killed. Mace had 2 sisters, one was married to her cousin the Lord of the Arbor. The Redwyns were heirs to the reach after the Tyrells were killed.
the tedium of neverending whining about the ending.....
Her "mhmmm" moment reacting to how she felt about Maergery.. She made the character. She and Diana made house Tyrell. It's pretty clear from the book that there was no point of house tyrell. I've heard it was truly these two that made george make them relevent in the show.
Woah woah, the queen of thorns was always meant to be That cool
That is not true. They didn't have a PoV but they are very relevant to the story in the book, much more than in the series tbh.
If you are calling house Tyrell pointless you are not understanding the story. They are representing a new "side" of the noble houses: a house, which became paramount by long-term competence, and not by sword or some random trick. Also they are loved, honorable (enough), but still not blinded by their honor like Starks.
Read the books again
@@Hespi. Tje Tyrells didn't become lords paramount of the reach through competence. They got it through obedience to House Targaryen when they conquered House Gardener.
This is the best and most diplomatic explanation of why folks didn’t like the last season. I didn’t think the later seasons were bad, but it was obvious that they were not based on the finished novels.
I don't think that's the main reason. The main reason is that they rushed through the ending instead of giving it a few more seasons. Natalie in this interview is trying to excuse it by saying that it's difficult to keep shows going for this long because of all the contracts and stuff, but there are other projects that manage just fine. I think the big question is whether D&D really wanted to keep GOT going much longer than they did in the end.
I really didn’t hear much of an explanation from her (not saying she owes one). What do you mean? There are videos on here that are good in dissecting what went wrong (not just with season 8!), maybe have a look into it.
@@watchingju For me, her explanation that the later seasons were not working with original source material that had been vetted was a justification.
Where can I find the Charles Dance interview referenced in this video?
Genuinely insightful answers and love for the profession.
Glad to see natalie is doin' great,I hope we can see her again in future projects or somthing.
Same here. Just recently started watching the Tudor’s and boy it is really only for her. She is beyond beautiful and I’d love to see new and upcoming with her in it aswell ❤.
Loved her character on GoT. Very interesting to hear her take on what she was experiencing as an actor. And now looking back on that time in her life.
She seemed a little nervous to say she loved Margaery and the way her story ended. I wish the guy had reassured her that the audience loved her character and her arc was actually satisfying and made sense (unlike most of the other characters).
Yeah, they killed her off pretty much at the perfect time. The show went downhill right after that episode.
Yeah, i watched the full interview to see if anyone asked a follow up question so she could elaborate on the comment about Margaery being “misunderstood”, I was very curious where she was coming from. But sadly the audience questions were unrelated
i'm having a very hard time finding the Charles Dance interview that the host referenced. anybody have a lead?
Gods the writing was strong then. Her and Olenna were amazing! Glad they missed season 8
Natalie is the most attractive person to walk on this planet
Charles Dance Oxford Union appearance isn't anywhere online
I loved Natalie Dormer as Margaery Tyrell. She was phenomenal. I first loved her as Anne Boleyn. Very talented. She makes me believe she is the character she’s portraying.
In a scientific community, a measurement of temperature that is slightly hotter than a typical wood fire is called 1 ND. 1 Natalie Dormer.
The casually explained with her as a measure of temperature was awesome
Natalie Dormer has good points about the creation process of the last season of the show. There's one thing I would like to add, going into a season wanting it to be done with is not a good basis for any endeavor.
Very intelligent person - extremely so. She could easily be a producer or a writer or a director.
Absolutely loved her character so much and was so gutted at her demise. Her interactions with Cersei were especially entertaining to me and I wish we had experienced more scenes with the two of them together. ❤
Watching for the first time, I literally just watched the 3rd season..... And here this pops up
Our electronic devices and the internet seem to be listening on us. Nothing new actually! Has been happening a little too frequently lately.😅
@@BoundInChains It's not even a secret at this point. User data is the biggest commodity of the modern world.
She was the best in The Tudors ❤️
What an incredible woman! So intelligent, so mature as a person and such a great actress. I adore her!
Is there more at the beginning we’ve missed? Will the beginning of the interview be uploaded separately?
She's great at discussing her experiences. Very thoughtful about the whole process. I will also say I really like her watch (dunno why but it caught my eye).
is the full length interview with questions availible anyware?
it's on this channel
You had me at Natalie...
Always loved Natalie's eyes.
Every time I see this room all I can think of is Terrence Howard coming in and presenting his nonsense on physics in front of the smartest students in the world 😂😂
Please do one of these interviews with rory mccann I feel like he has a lot to say and share
This was, for the most part, a really good interview. Then she went on defending D&D with the old "They had it rough" and "You can never satisfy everyone" arguments which had absolutely nothing to do with the reasons S8 failed, and you can almost physically feel how she loses the whole audience there. Such a shame, but I guess, in the end she wanted to stay polite.
Where is the Charles Dance video?
did you get it
@@bluered1686 nope!
While they didn't have source material for the final seasons , they did have all the previous material as a guide. Story arcs set in motion over several seasons were there. Instead of following those arcs they made a left turn into a wall.. thinking "We've got to surprise people ...thats the GOT way" .
She gives some really thoughtful answers but I think she isn't telling the whole story when it comes to season 8. Sure, David & Dan were dealt a very very tough hand. Finishing a story where the original writer is probably not even capable of finishing it. I don't fault them for their inability to finish it in a good way. I do fault them for not giving over the reins to someone else. They rushed to their ending because they were done with it, which I can understand. They wanted to do other things. They rushed to the ending and upped the spectacle but kinda forgot people didn't tune in only because of the spectacle, they tuned in because of the character drama and plots, the 'people talking in rooms'. The story needed a couple more 10 episode seasons to finish it. HBO wanted to give it to them, that's been widely reported. But they wanted to get out, so they crash-landed the plane. What they should have done is recognize this, and turn it back over to HBO and let someone else finish it with 10 or 11 full seasons. Of course it's not guaranteed it would have turned out great, but at least the story would have had a chance to be finished in a proper way. There's just no way the state the story was in at the end of season 6, could have been finished in 13 more episodes. There's just no fucking way.
I like your comment, but I doubt they could have convinced the adult actors to stay on for two or three more seasons. To a young actor just starting out, that's no big deal, but if you're Lena Headey, you've done a ton of work before this and want to do a ton more, by 7 seasons you are longer bound by contract and you are probably sick of playing this character for what what amounted to a decade by 2019.
What the story needed was to never be adapted in the first place until it could be trimmed down to a manageable 7 or 8 seasons. If you have to cut out some major plot points, so be it, because that's television, are you are just not going to get top-tier talent to stick around for 10 seasons. Not going to happen.
Now, could the show have been structured much better if the story was complete and they knew where they were going? Of course! D&D were control-freak jack*ffss, refusing to let anyone else finish a series that...they were tired of...but no one else may write it. What? They sat on that crappy Season 8 script for six months at least before they did anything with it.
My only consolation is that the bile was directed at the people who deserved it. Not the actors or anyone else involved in the production, but the stupid showrunners, who destroyed their careers AND showed that they knew it by not showing up for the GOT Season 8 Comic-Con.
@@squamish4244 i don't agree with your point about the actors. A long running succesful show on cable is the holy grail for every actor. It's a struggling business for 90+% of all actors. Sure, Headey and Dinklage are well known actors that probably made a very nice living, but they are no Cruise, Dicaprio or Pitt raking in 10M+ per film. It would have been even more of a golden goose for them and residuals for the rest of their lives. 100% they would have been in for it.
@@illuvattar I disagree. By the last half of the show, the top five actors were making $500,000 _per episode._ So all the big name actors were getting like $4 - $5 million a year. I think they _started_ at like $175,000 an episode, for ten episodes. Either way, they renegotiated their salaries every season. So by the end, they were all much richer than any of us are ever going to be and with lots more money than they could ever spend unless they developed a serious fentanyl habit and it lasted for the next 40 years.
And they ALL said they were done. Once you have $10 million in the bank, what's the point in doing more? None of these actors were suddenly jobless afterwards either, and none of them had been before, unless they were the youngest. But really, if you don't believe me, just google the interviews where they talk about how they are done. When all else fails - believe the person, right?
A ten-season series was never going to happen. It was as likely to happen as GRRM is likely to even finish one book, which he can't do after 12 years, so I rest my case.
@@illuvattarHow are you going to disagree with the actors being tired of the show when they have all literally done interviews saying that they wanted it to end. It’s easy to blame D&D for everything, because they were already not very likeable but at the end of the day many people apart of production wanted to move on including majority of the main actors. You may have liked the show but it had to end, and you got the ending that you got. It is what it is.
The actors were tired of it. The crew was tired. The amount of episodes wasn’t the issue. It was how the last 3 episodes were handled.
She should self produce a series based on her portrayal of Moriarti. She was brilliant. I’ve been a fan every since.
She is so articulate, but the host clearly had a lot of beef with season 8 which got a tad tiring but i thought she provided great articulate answers.
who doesn't have beef with season 8
Where is the Charles Dance interview? I don't see it listed on your channel.
When I heard what the end of the TV show was (I read ASIOF and loosely kept track of the show) I came in with an opinion much like Dormer's, empathizing with Dan and Dave as they navigated the ranks. It was only after I learned a little more about how those two were seemingly letting the pieces fall randomly to get the story over with that I started to lose faith in giving them the benefit of the doubt.
What?
Margery Survived the Sept of Baelor?
🤩🤩🤩
PLEASE SHARE LINK to the CHARLES DANCE interview.
I miss her!
She was amazing at the role and wasn't utilized enough
Is there an upload of the full event?
Where can I find the Charles Dance interview he’s referencing? I’ve searched but can’t find one where he was unkind about the show’s ending.
Also been searching, I have no clue lol
9:36 Season 8
Thank you lol
Clever girl! ❤
All smirks 😊
will you upload the other parts of natalie's interview? I hope so. Thank you so much!!! 🫶🏻
Omg I love her
Where's this Charles Dance video he mentions?
found nothing
Anyone know?
Queen❤
She reminds me of Vivian Leigh.
Súper inteligente y con las ideas claras 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Tbh I think it would have made way more sense for Margaery to survive and become the Lady of Highgarden by herself. If a house had to be ruled by a woman it was her. You could see that as the show progressed she had those bits of Olenna in her (it is even stated in the books) because she was her legacy, everything she worked for.
If Anne Boleyn looked anything approaching this stunner ol Henry was onto something
Somehow, she’s even more charming in real life.
She is so fantastic I heard she was going to be playing Vivien Leigh I hope it does happen
Well argued by Ms Dormer. I appreciate her setting the stage and giving some insight into what has to be a huge undertaking. However, as a GOT fan I feel the show was "stained" by the show- runners D& D who COULD have better planned the ending of the show and not rushed it. I appreciate there are lots of variables and moving parts but wouldn't everyone like to have an ending they could be proud of? I felt like they took a huge gaping wound of massive storylines and slapped a bandaid on it and said "There ya go." So much was set up, made a big deal out of then never addressed and while you cannot make everyone happy shouldn't you at least go for the best story?? I doubt I'll be able to ever watch a series by those two (Dan & Dave) again because I cannot trust that they will complete it. I don't believe they have the story in mind or care about the audience for that art.
'So much was set up, made a big deal out of then never addressed and while you cannot make everyone happy shouldn't you at least go for the best story??'
Does it not ever occur to you that not addressing these set ups was on purpose? That the point of the show was that what the audience thought was important wasn't actually important but that true importance lie elsewhere. For example, Arya not using her masks was about letting go of her thirst for revenge. D&D extremely care about the art AND the audience, which is precisely why they didn't give the audience what it wanted.
We got Natalie Dormer for the role!
But what are we going to do with the charater?
Doesn't matter! We got Natalie Dormer!!!!
Cant find the charles dance episode😢
I loved the show for a while (until D and D ran out of the source material and started "writing" their own, which just showed the difference between them and the real writer), and I like what Natalie did with the character. However, it is absolutely untrue that the character was not flushed out. Martin is mental when it comes to his characters and even a minor character has a backstory strong enough to build the vision as to what that person would look like and how would they behave. I read the books in parallel with the season 2, and I really found her character to be fairly aligned with how Margaery was depicted in the books. Also, saying that Queen of Thorns was not well flushed out is absolutely not true.
So if we take roll on who read the books, only the actress who played Arya read her parts before playing them.
In all fairness, not all actors have a point of view chapters (Margaery included), so it wouldn't be much use when they already have the script.
Gwendoline Christie read the books before playing Brienne.
A bit disappointed that she didn't repeat my favorite line of Margaery's on the show: "Look, the pie!"
Margaery was one of the reasons the show took off.
hottest thing that ever walked this planet .
You can say that again!
Best character on the show
Very unsatisfying answers at the end there lol
I wish they were all comfortable throwing Dan and Dan under the bus, there really is no excuse for how terribly they botched the ending of the MOST POPULAR TV SHOW OF ALL TIME. This isn't some side project they were working on, it was George R R Martin's magnum opus, but they were so disrespectful towards it and the people who enjoy it that they allowed it to be ruined through embarrassingly stupid plotlines. If they had put some genuine effort into it and involved George the final 3 seasons could've been really fucking good but instead they went down in history as absolute blunders and tanked their own careers.
Great answers to so many silly questions....
I haven't read the books...but as someone who HAS read books and loved them I don't see how EVER not reading a book when it's a beloved franchise is ANY kind of benefit. I think that was her long-winded way of saying, "Yeah I wasn't going to read all that rubbish...fantasy books just aren't my thing."
It's a lot to read if it isn't your thing, TBH. I think around 5 times as long as Lord of the Rings, maybe more, and that's with the last two volumes still unpublished. And very little of it directly involves her character.
Did she get along with Lena?
7:53 she gets emotional 😢
I love her ❤️
I can’t find the Charles dance interview…
"Had you read the Song of Fire book series before you auctioned for the role."
Any actor ever "No."
She made up Margerys characteristics? She was one of the very best characters of the greatest show ever
she was so ridiculously hot
WAS?? IS!
Five days ago?? Im shocked
that thumbnail made her look like she had a pixie cut
9:29 I would like to see it.
Alright guys. The big elephant in the room. I thought she was the hottest woman in Game of Thrones. Emilia showed A LOT. But this woman got the face. Disney Princess face. Beautiful! Her husband is the luckiest man in the world.
She said she didn’t read the books - does she even realize the DID NOT run out of material? But abandoned the books in season 5?
She is very pretty.
this guys needs to learn to ask open ended questions, he's putting all the work on Dormer to come up with extended answers
I can say, Natalie Dormer portraying Margaery Tyrell alongside Dianna Rigg were the last two powerful columns in King's Landing after season 4. When Margaery and her family died, the plot in King's Landing became boring.
She is so gud🔥❤️