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- So the Firmware update is out and I can add my own Impulse responses to the Fender Tone Master Pro, is it still as good? what do they need to add? Also I'm quickly just comparing it against the Quad Cortex which is what I use live nowadays.
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These follow up videos are really important. Thanks for putting it out there, Ola.
it Is you in all the comments i knew it
I love how you gave the "guys who chug" take on this. !!! Bunch of people were doing a review on this You had the only Metal Perspective on it.
Glad you are coming back to this product after such a long time. Such a nostalgic feeling. ;)
You’re awesome Ola, thank you for everything you do, bro.
The spacing between the buttons is a bigger selling point than most people would think, especially for gigging musicians. I've been running a Helix floor for a few years, and then ended up buying the Stomp XL. I've run into the same issues as Ola described where you accidentally hit additional buttons with your feet, because of the spacing reduction of buttons on the smaller Helix. Nice vid as always Ola!
Definitely would like to see you do more videos on the TMP. That first video you did with the dual cabs sounded killer! 👍🏻
I've owned Axe-Fxs and Kempers since their beginnings and have owned tons of amps over the years including Engl, Mesa, Marshall, Randall, Egnater, VHT and more.
I currently own a QC and a nice Synergy setup with a variety of modules and a Fryette Power Station as the power section and for use recording.
I think, at this point, it's safe to say that all of these latest generation modelers/profilers/capturers sound pretty damn good so it really comes down to what your needs/wants are.
I do mainly writing and producing and I think the QC, with great captures, sounds every bit as good as an excellent amp with perfectly placed mics on a great cab
With my Axe-Fx and Kempers, I thought they sounded good, but I always felt like there was a few percentage points of "realness" or "aliveness" that just wasn't there.
With the QC, I don't feel that at all. Through my studio monitors, it sounds like a live tube amp perfectly set up for recording and with the Power Station, it's easy to get that "in the room" air moving through a cab if you like that.
The HUGE deal breaker for me with the Fender is the fact that you're limited completely by what amps Fender decides to give you.
With the Quad cortex and others, you can go to third parties like Sinmix and get outstanding profiles for not a lot of money. If you like hard rock or metal, Sinmix makes excellent captures.
At this price point, Fender has made an excellent LOOKING product, but has really missed the boat on the platform with no profiling and no third party amp abilities.
At this price point, with no profiling/capturing ability, it would have to come with well over 100 different amp models in ALL genres to even catch my eye.
For just jamming or song production, NAM is free and sounds every bit as good or better than everything else out there.
I know I sure wish I had something like the QC years ago when I was playing gigs every weekend and hauling around a 100w VHT head, 4x12 cab and a rack of effects. This is an amazing time to be a guitar player and I hope you young whippersnappers realize how good you have it. I had no CZcams to learn songs back in the day. It was all by ear.
If you aren't sold on the modeler thing, the Synergy system is outstanding and there are easily enough variety in modules to cover every genre of guitar music.
In my opinion, the Synergy system is the PERFECT way to get a variety of killer amp tones without breaking the bank. It sounds FAR better than the old Randall and Egnater MTS products. Night and day better in my opinion and when you're gassing for a new amp, instead of spending a few grand, it's only $400 to get a completely different amp. Pretty cool.
To each their own, but as great as the Fender looks, to spend that much money and be limited by how well Fender supports the product with future amp models is a no deal for me.
There's just too much out there already that sounds excellent and doesn't have those limitations.
I'll shut up now and return to obscurity.
I appreciate it. Don't return just yet, how would you rank amp sims against these? I'm trying to decide if I should go modeller because of the ease of use and not needing processing power, or just cut the shit and get a new computer to run the Cali Suite on, because I found some metal tones on there that felt "right" for me and would be willing to make my ride-or-die recording tone. I just want something to noodle on, too. One of my friends who knows a lot more about this shit than I do argued that amp sims (albeit good ones) were better because of superior sampling rates from the computer. I have yet to dip my toes into NAM.
@@adambrook6322If I was starting from scratch, I'd start with the NAM. It's a no brainer. It's free and sounds amazing.
If you find you want some hardware, then you can branch out from there.
As far as sample rates go etc., forget all the tech talk. Play your guitar through whatever your options are and if you think it sounds great and it inspires you, then it's irrelevant what's going on under the hood.
I have 3 of the Neural DSP plugins and they sound great. I also have the STL tones plug in and it sounds good, but Neural DSP is in another league in my humble opinion.
Now that Neural DSP has released their editor beta, it's an even bigger win I think. Having a desktop editor is the only thing I've missed about having the Axefx or Kemper.
Good shit Ola! Thanks for following up with us!
That preset sounds almost record like to me. Pretty amazing imo. Nice work!
Helix still the best unit overall including the great customer service and huge community of knowledge and free presets available for us. I'll keep my Helix LT
Fender from my experience with their practice amp the fender mustang makes excellent tones , the cleans are clean 🫧 and the effects are cool and sound beautiful and if you want to chug you can make them chug , as a metal guy fender sold me on amps about three years ago.
Bra video Ola!
I know it might be hard procuring one - but you should go back and check out the changes to Helix. There are some great additions for metal guitarist. Their addition of the Revv Gen Red and Revv Gen Purple are god tier models. I haven't heard a better high gain amp from a modeler yet. They totally overhauled the built in cabinets with much higher quality models and I'm finding myself using them more then my IR's now. As always, Line6 is known for quality effects and they've added a bunch more to the Helix arsenal. It's really worth a new review. I'm glad Fender is getting into the game - and I've seen some early reviews but haven't had my hands on the Tone Master Pro - but from everything I see, it looks really early stage under the hood, but I love the looks of the package and it seems like something that is road worthy. Good stuff as always Ola - appreciate your unbiased reviews.
Simple solution - Run the Helix Native plug-in.
@@MrBlumpkin42 I do, and you can actually do a lot of things with the plugin you can't with the actual physical unit (and vice versa), so to be a fair review I would recommend using the actual unit.
I have Fender Mustang GTX, and the presets based on Mesa Mark IIC amp are awesome!
Especially with Marshall cab
I want Fender to focus on making a new and improved micro gt. I use that thing more than any other amp I have.
Bought one after your first demo!
The fender amps and spring reverbs are where this TMP unit really shines
Four loops is great, you can run four pedals with the unit and automatically swap them in and out of the signal chain with presets like a loop switcher. I use my digitech whammy in the loop of my Pod Go because all emulations of the Whammy suck.
I'd hit the manual about the loops, apparently they can only be used in certain parts of the chain.
Sounds AMAZING !! O.o
And your are interesting because u are navigate in diferents lands and have good points of views thanks u man...
i really want to see more with the new fender speaker if anything!
I was hoping to see this post. :)
Would love to see a comparison vid!!...this thing, the QC and the FX9, in a mix and straight up!!
I love your new re visited is so good is well explained is so usefull thanks and sound amazing
My quest is not to find my comfort that I’m used to before the pre-modeler era. These units give you options that cover all genres/eras, which is left to your imagination, which helps bring through you, ideas you would’ve never tried, because of being outfitted for a particular style of music; but now you have presets aka abracadabra at your fingertips; make it happen!! But that’s my take on it!! 🎸
You nailed ot “ you need a overdrive ! My buddy got one yesterday we where jamming and he is looking through the amps and found what I thought was good sounds ! But while he is goofing around i was melting his ears with the badlander 50watt lol
Fender sounds a bit digital then Quadcortex. Less dynamics. It would be interesting to compare Fender/Quadcortex/Fractal in mix with the similar presets.
honestly I even thought the Quad Cortex sounded too digital, I guess I won't like the Fender after all.
At least ToneX is better and cheaper by a lot :)
@@Mr.Goldbarwtf, quadcortex sound way bettee than tonex!? 😂
@@zekkari27 tried both and much prefer the ToneX, would say it sounds even better for what I wanna use it for :)
Was the same in my experience@@Mr.Goldbar
In the mix... the slight differences would probably not even be noticeable.
Lunch day is my favorite
at the beginning of the video the amp sounds really good with your impulse response. not that it didn't sound good before in the first video, but it just sounds very natural after tweaking.
Awesome!!!!
EXCELLENT.
I keep it old school, when I have something like this I feel like I fiddle with it more than jam. The portability is nice though.
So true. Same here. More fiddling, less playing. That's what happens with this kinda stuff.
Hell I lose enough of my time tweaking amp sims I'm not paying 1800 for more tweaking
From what I’ve seen after watching quite a few reviews. Fender has a ways-to go to catch up to Line6 and AxeFX.
most classic metal amps in Fender TONE Pro sounds really good especially EVH . Thanks for sharing of your thoughts OLA :)
*Now, a fender digital product I would kill to get my hands on just for a week in my own home!* No amp sampling cloning though for $1700 U.S.?! That's absurd, but I'm also not one to truly care. *It sounds wicked though, and I've always favored Fender products, even their SS amps have sounded good to me.*
I'm a rhythm/lead player and instrumentalist, so my ultimate goal ATM is a rig where I have excellent note separation and detail when shredding through arpeggios. *The budge ATM still only gives me one path for the newer digital floor units today and that's the Valeton GP-200.*
I would love to see you demo it.
That doom shirt is 🔥🔥
New with touch screen and more user friendly operating system 👍
Awesome
I'm still rocking a MOOER GE200, it's more then enough for me.
@ola thx for your reviews.
love them.
I am a week into my quad cortex and loving it. Desktop app is finally here!
Q: do you have any presets or captures in the cortex cloud? if so can you share them? Would love to play around w some sounds you’ve come up with.
🤘🏽
Drinking game -
Take a shot every time Ola plays the open E and B strings 😎
Amazing
Hi Ola, nice work as always! Thank you for your videos. Could you make a video or suggest some good amps and presets for metal in amplitube 5?
I had the Helix and the Quad Cortex but sold them both when I got the Fractal FM9.. just sounds a lot more chuggy and powerful and the cleans are more crisp
Yeah, FM9 for the win!
Too bad they're lagging on the FM9 MKII with the bigger LCD displays.
Perfect timing. I just made my coffee and sat down to watch youtube videos
Cool comparison! Oh and just today Neural released a desktop editor for the Quad Cortex :)
They just need to get rid of the wall wart and add scribble scripts!
Its almost like healthy competition is a GOOD thing..
Tonal differences aside: the Fender unit has a built-in power supply, which is a huge plus. I also dig the bigger button spacing and scribble strips.
its a huge plus? come back when ur psu fails buddy Neural DSP is still king crushes the FTM
One day Apple is gonna make one that rules them all
still use garage band on the iPad with an audio interface and some In ear monitors for silent practice at home, sounds pretty good@@espkh1549
This is cool
That Mark model without the boost almost sounds more like 90s Metallica, somewhere between the Black and Load/Reload tones
I don't like metal at all. But I love your videos. Maybe something is wrong with me.
Ola PLEASE do a demo of the Boss NS-1X noise gate. Save us from all the demos that don't do that 4 cable method! I have no idea if it's good or not because even Fluff and Andertons failed to wire it up the right way using the loop and just went straight in instead. You're our only hope!
great try out Ola, how about revisit some old modellers like the full Boss GT1000, it have gotten some updates since your last visit to it, how does it stack up today in Olaland ?
Please
A 3 part o chapter please... u are good in that area
Only a Fender fan boy would be paying that much when the Quadcortex is the same price, the Kemper is a bit cheaper and the Headrush is so much cheaper.
Quad cortex sucks though. Talk about a waste of $. At least fender is shipping this out with all of the features working 😂
@@mreyes8519 sucks so bad that the majority of touring musicians use them.
Or a newbie…only the stores are in love with the TMP so far. I’ll check it out after a few updates see if Fender stays interested
@@evilutionltd majority? Dafuq? That’s fractal and line 6
I know my valeton gp200 is not anywhere near as good as these, but it’s not £1500 worse. I’m willing to bet that no audience member would tell the difference. It’s nice to have nice things, I get it, and if you’ve worked hard to be able to afford these things, I applaud you. But for us mortals, it’s just not justifiable or needed. It’s nice to see how the other half live, though and love the channel.
Second hand kemper stage all day for me.
If bought the Fender it would be for the clean Fender amps and the EVH 5150, but I'm not sure it's worth moving from my Helix with Tonex in my loop
I thought the fender amp models sounded less muddy than your cortex sound, but I'm not a metal guy so could be wrong! Thanks for the review!
Nice strap Ola!
I paid a pretty penny for my Boss GT1000 when it came out. In terms of processing power, it is on par with this thing, I believe, but it is incredibly fiddly to use, and the lack of a touch screen hurts it in the marketplace.
I have gotten some quite satisfactory tones out of it, but it is actually like analog gear in the sense that knob settings really change things up at all points in the signal chain.
Same. I bought 2 GT1000's as I need a backup. The separate IR loader sucks too...
I may be the only one who really loves the ISP Theta Pro, but if you want analog tone and feel in a digital processor, the ISP Theta Pro is it. The chorus alone is to absolutely die for.
Got my gt1000 core for a steal and I'm happy to stick with it till this modeler arms race nears the technological ceiling at with point I'll shell out the big bucks and call it a day
@mikey_dk I guess I should clarify that I do quite like my GT1000--it sort of sounds like I don't. But when I refer to knob settings--the concept of "unity gain", which other modelers do adhere to, is sadly lacking on the GT1000. If your chorus volume (for example) is set too high it can cause a whole chain of unwanted noise.
But with careful adjustment you can compensate. First, though. you better set your guitar input in the menu, that is absolutely key. And if you like to mess with your guitar volume and tone controls that adds another level of complexity.
In the end, though, I have really been able to come up with some very sweet sounds.
I’m gonna wait for a Chinese company to make a similar device at 1/10 of the cost and better
@espkh1549 Good luck with that. Maybe Behringer will just copy one of these units.
Calificacion 7 de fender tone master es una realidad para empezar.
its so interesting see these comparasion videos...the only problem is I still use Korg ToneWorks AX1G :´)
Nice overview!
Seems really compressed sounding. Like the dynamics are smoosh. Not my thing. These kinda sounds used for Live, end up sounding like steam. Just harsh mush. More useful for getting processed sound for a mix but I like doing that processing my self so it can be custom tailored for each mix rather than always sounding so processed. Sometimes a raw amp with couple mics is all ya need.
The only thing I want to hear right now is your FIRST preset with the dual rectifier low rumble. It vibrated my phone and headphones in the right ways but wasn't quite as good overall tone, to me, as the first one you made.
I just bought a Fractal FM3, which is a lot cheaper than this or QC... Maybe my ears are just very easy to please buy the FM3 sounds absolutely great, I am A/B'ing it with my EVH 5150 III 50w and it sounds as good, feels as nice to play. Every tool is awesome nowadays, especially in a mix.
Good day, Ola.
Gotta check out the Diezel VHX.
damn nice
Hmmmmm , Im in a heavy rock originals band and really love my Gt1000 , the Xmodded amp and Jc120 are my go to with effects of course and the amps are brilliant recorded and Live . My opinion only .But I was not impressed with the headrush or kemper , and the price ,which is cheaper than most ,you get most of the boss effects ,so I haven't been disappointed with this unit ....
I’d like Fender to have a Prosonic amp in there.
Yeah - they should add their whole high gain stable: prosonic, MH-500, machete, sunn model T, super-sonic, evil twin and, obviously, the original tone master!
Nice review, pretty handy since i'm about to buy my first floor processor and am still doubting between the quad cortex, the helix and this one. I have 0 experience with any of them but from what i hear im leaning towards qc at the moment. Its for gigs, mostly powermetal. Any advice is always welcome
Hi Ola
Bought the Fractal AX8 awhile ago but just couldn’t get with the amp/cab sounds. Just not the same IMO. I still use it though in 4 cable method for effects and midi switching. Wish there was a product that only did this w/o all the amp/cab modeling!
I dont know if it s my headphones but heard some nasty scratchy artefacts
Next update for Tone Master Pro: Please include a Ducking Delay as on the Boss DD-200. It's my favorite delay. You can do it. Supersonic 22 amp head is great too. Also the '64 Custom Deluxe Reverb. MTG: LA Tube Distortion. '57 Custom Champ. Champ 25SE. Mesa Boogie Triple Crown Head. Roland Blues Cube Hot and Roland Blues Cube Hot British EL84 Modified. Mesa Boogie Fillmore 50. Boss Nextone Special. Try 10 minutes of two track like RC-500 Looper. Boss OC-5. Boss OD-200 Metal preset.
Makes know sense sharpening your butter knives, So: I'd say, stick with something you know, is doing the job you want it to.
Looked at quite a frew demos of this unit and it seems like the amp models dont actually sound 'like' the amps theyre meant to sound like ..
As a noob I absolutely love my NUX MG30 as it gives me the option to try amps, effects to my hearts content without having to spend a fortune on gear and probably get divorced for filling the house up with junk. Great to be able to play really distorted riffs at low volume as well. For real musicians though? And also my modeller cost less than £300, not 1500...
Looking to pick an MG-30 just for this reason. Can I ask how the rectifier sounds in it? Gotta have a decent dual rectifier or no beuno
I’m interested in what resources will be dedicated to the Tone Master Pro loving forward. Fender is a big company, but they have their attention split a million different ways with their own guitars, amps, and effects, plus all the subsidiaries and other companies they work with. Neural has less overall resources, but they can dedicate a larger chunk to the Quad Cortex. The sound quality seems fine with both units, but that’s a large investment in a product which is sort of an “out of left field” option for Fender.
Hi Dave, the TMP is a long standing project for us at Fender and we will have regular updates coming out every 6 months with new amps, effects, bug updates, etc.
@@RStolFendersounds like I’ll check out in about 1- 2 years thanks
@@RStolFender I’m glad to hear it!
@@RStolFender After a lot of consideration I ordered one today looking to use it for gigging over the coming years, really happy to see this message, makes me feel more confident about my purchase - thank you!
Just got mine. Haven't had a chance to get into it just yet but I'm excited. I'd love to see you set up a Dimebag rig on this to see how close you can get! Thanks for your vids Ola! (Commented before watching. lol You answered my prayers before I even asked! I would like for you to go over your settings though)
At 3:52 he shows he made a dime preset
@@altpath Yeah,I saw that. I would love to see him go through the settings of that preset and explain what he did and why
Touch screen fail after updating. and a small percentage of the amps sound like the real thing according to Ola. I predict a wave of returns. Have fun with your newfound convenience and ultimate tube tones and feel (sarcasm). Sounds like the Emperor Wears No Clothes. Robert Baker said the visceral touch response and feel are missing when comparing the Fender amp models with his real 1960's Fender amps. Fender cannot do Fender apparently.
@@hyperluminalreality1 Why are you so bitter dude? Like damn lol
@@TheEchelon Convenience is a bad thing apparently lol Heaven forbid if someone wants to try anything new or just get some fun tones to play around with
Would like to know how the Silver Jubilee sounds.
Honestly sounds like Fender made so much more effort with their own amps there.
I'm glad we have the ToneX that's way cheaper and way better :)
I cant wait to get this damn thing. Its what Ive needed but better in every way. All the bugs and lack of metal amps will be fixed over time. Im not worried about it.
I suspect it's still good
Ola, when you added the new firmware, did you factory reset the device? That was in the instructions. It should clear up those bugs.
One weird low end resonance (howl) in that Dime preset you made, brah.
Hey @OlaEnglund! New firmware available for this unit!
Ola, you used the fractal stuff in the past. What are your thoughts on QC vs FM3, FM9 etc. What made you decide to use QC rather than FM9 for example?
Short of picking one up just to mess with, I don't know why anyone would choose this over a QC, FX9, etc. They sound just as good (or better), have been out for YEARS now so all the bugs are worked out, and they cost the same. (I love how you pronounce "Cortex" "Cordex", too...🤣)
For me it is the user interface and controls set up, I've had a really hard time configuring my brain to work with other pedals and amps and this just sort of clicks for me. The workflow, that's the word I was looking for.
@@CarlisleFox I literally NEVER use it without it being plugged into a computer. I don't think I have ever touched the controls on the front besides changing an output setting once. People love to freak out about the UI on the front of the thing...never made sense to me. Guess they don't own computers.
I’ve owned 2 fender cyber twin amps in the past, still have one but it sucks just like the first one did, not doing fender amplification anymore
What’s with all the high end fizz on the high gain models. Aliasing?
You fucking rule Ola!!!….
🤨🤙
The DigiTech RP360 is a overlooked modeler. Try one before dumping $1700 on this folk's. It's not perfect, but you can get some great tones for under$200.
I've still got the RP1000 and it's a beast...cab Sims are a weakness but it's still a beast
Dude!!! That tone is my favorite I've heard so far, when you hit multiple strings and let them ring out those frequencies were jamming together instead of fighting to be heard.
Just my opinion, the first tone you showed... All there!
When the toans quality wears off after a week
Did you ever heard of the St Rock Amperium? Would love to see you reviewing this unit. My post will be deleted if i put a link in here, so maybe you don´t mind to google for it. I know it is a not so well known device but the toneshaping features are outstanding and very unique and the soundquality of the amps are one of the best and comparable to axe fx and quad cortex
Pure tone I'm shocked lol i like the fender better here
you could get a company to make u a clear slide plate for your quad cortex screen
Chad boston gear by ceba does great mods for them
Is a fucking great machine
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